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  • What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    It has a use, but no plausible revenue scheme. It is the sort of thing that would be a good open source charity, not a profitable business.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    It has a use, but no plausible revenue scheme. It is the sort of thing that would be a good open source charity, not a profitable business.
    Yes, you could imagine the people behind open street map implementing something like it, were it not for the fact that what three words would send the lawyers after them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,525
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    A theoretically brilliant idea, terribly implemented.
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    A theoretically brilliant idea, terribly implemented.
    If they had realised how unoriginal it was, they would have done it much better.

    There are a number of codes for easy reporting of positions in lat and long through history.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,764
    Taz said:

    Rayner is the PB idea of a working class Everyman, or woman.

    She’s so authentic and working class, working class communities should love her.

    Nah. She’s awful

    She’d be labours Liz Truss.

    I get the point, but that's not the issue. Neither Rayner, Streeting nor Burnham are generating ideas, and Rayner couldn't manage a ministry. Miliband and Mahmood are generating ideas, but those ideas are best suited to the pre-Polanski Greens or the Conservative/Reform parties. Nobody in Labour is coming up with left-wing solutions to current problems...which for a left-wing party is kind of fatal

    We have Starmer because he is willing to mouth words to suit the occasion, even if he says the exact opposite the next day. He is justly criticised for this, but if he leaves what words will his successor say? Do they even know? I'm tearing my hair out over this.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421
    isam said:



    Three migrants, who illegally entered Britain on small boats, have been convicted of gang raping a woman on Brighton beach.

    Iranian-born Abdulla Ahmadi, 26, and Egyptians Karin Al-Danasurt, 20, and Ibrahim Alshafe, 25, attacked the woman in the early hours of October 4 last year.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/bfa4e8f2-d42b-46a2-bba4-1414cdd41caf?shareToken=bba200ff47d6dd75ed85c77926177d88

    Well, that should be the end of their asylum applications.
    I'm by no means unsympathetic to asylum seekers, but that's one hell of a blot all over their applications.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    Aanpraten.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    Aanpraten.
    Pardon?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    Aanpraten.
    Pardon?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_code_(communications)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,764
    edited April 23

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    I was on another website in the early 2010s. Somebody mentioned PB. I went to this ooo-dangerous website and asked why the odds didn't add up to 100%. @NickPalmer politely pointed out the existence of the vigorish/overround. I bet money on an election (2012 French Presidential or 2012 London Mayoral, I can't remember which), won money like a proper grown up, and never left

    :)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    I’m not nervous yet, but there’s currently a massive wave of USAF heading East towards me!

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2047294223636963514

    Is TSE on holiday at the moment?
    I start a short weekend break in exactly one week.
    OMG, the gulf is going to explode !!
    Don’t worry, I’ll have scheduled threads up on Brexit, AV, and Scottish independence to keep you all entertained.

    My time will be sparse that weekend as I’ve already negotiated time to watch the Miami sprint race and Grand Prix next weekend.
    Feel sorry for the American football fans, apparently the NFL are seriously considering 14th Feb for the Super Bowl next year!

    https://x.com/caroljsroth/status/2047348796036727015
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    I'm not finding any examples of telegraph codes for reporting latitude and longitude, alas.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,655

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Scotland independence referendum
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    Aanpraten.
    Pardon?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_code_(communications)
    LOL
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Off on a trip at the weekend. Looking forward to it

    Partly because I have just been told the cost of the trip, WERE I paying (I am not paying)

    Somewhere between £30,000-£35,000. For a week

    Miami for the F1? Although for most it will be a lot more expensive than £35k.
    If I had gone to the Las Vegas Grand Prix last year I would have to sell a kidney.

    The hotel room prices alone were shocking, at those prices you’d expect at lest six hookers in my room.

    I’ve stayed at Claridge’s and the Burj Khalifa and the Vegas prices made those look like a Premier Inn.
    When I go to a hotel, I don't expect to have to share a room with strangers.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Somebody recommended me to OGH's site.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,652
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    Which seat is he running in?

    Or is he just a clickbait activist?
    'new young activist' he's a twitch streamer in his mid 30s. Sandpit with his finger on the brain dead maga pulse as usual.
  • Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    Aanpraten.
    Pardon?
    The Demolished Man: WWHG
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361
    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    isam said:
    It made more sense when there was a full schedule on a Saturday afternoon. As we ended up with footballfootballfootballfootball on most days - and then long international breaks - it rather lost its, er, Focus.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    2005 GE.

    A guy called SeanT. Was already here.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    We?????

    Whole Govt. goes next week or just SKS?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    A link from anothwr blog somewhere around 2008. What got me gripped was the drama around the 2010 GE.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135

    Why do I get the feeling Russell Brand’s barrister will be tearing out their hair?

    Russell Brand says he had ‘exploitative’ consensual sex with girl, 16, at height of his fame

    Brand, who will be tried in October over allegations of rape and sexual assault, tells podcast he slept with 16-year-old when he was 30


    Russell Brand said he had “exploitative” consensual sex with a 16-year-old girl at the height of his fame.

    The comedian, actor and podcaster, 50, will be tried in the autumn over allegations of rape and sexual assault made against him by six women. Brand denies all the charges, which date from 1999 to 2009. Speaking about his past actions in an appearance on the YouTube show of the US journalist Megyn Kelly, Brand described himself “selfish” and an “exploiter of women”.

    He said: “I did sleep with a 16-year-old when I was 30. When I was 30, I was a very different person. I was a lot younger, and I was an immature 30-year-old.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/apr/23/russell-brand-says-he-had-exploitative-consensual-sex-with-girl-16-at-height-of-his-fame?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    There's an Origin Story podcast on Brand, not sure why, I don't think the CPS are going to have make much effort.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    After the May elections IMO. Before looks too disloyal to the party. Also prorogation.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 320

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    I have mostly lurked here since becoming slightly obsessed with polls in the run up to the 2010 general election. Was recommended by a political geeky housemate who is now a clerk in the commons.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    edited April 23
    isam said:
    Should have happen 5+ years ago, since then the ratings have been tanking....and..

    "as well as a bold new slate of exclusive shows on YouTube. Featuring fresh formats, big personalities and more frequent,"

    Oh god they are going to make something for da yutt which will get 5 viewers.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,652
    Foss said:

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Doom-clicking at some point in the first half of 2009.
    i was browsing the internet looking for some hot chat action on the boundary commission review of constituencies before the 2005 general election
  • How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Approximately 2006, I was a mix of posting and lurking on Anthony Wells website UK Polling Report. Someone linked PB.

    I won quite a bit of money betting on Boris for Mayor, and Obama for POTUS following tips here. Then lost some spread betting on a Tory majority for 2010, luckily I got out of that one before it became too bad!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    One journalist still paying attention https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/23/peter-mandelson-evidence-cat-little-audit-trail-analysis

    Evidenced rebuttal of Robbins, red faces all round for those who declared him the best of the Civil Service?
  • JonWCJonWC Posts: 295

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    I started political betting on the 1997 general election. I was campaigning in the run up to the 2004 euro election with our third ranked candidate and I was impressed/amazed by her optimism. I asked her if she thought we were going to get two candidates elected, trying to disguise how unlikely I thought this was. She said something along the lines of "oh I think we are going to do better than that".

    I wondered if there were more similarly deluded people out there but didn't think there would be markets on the Euros, typed in political betting - and this is what came up.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    edited April 23

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Dopermean said:

    One journalist still paying attention https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/23/peter-mandelson-evidence-cat-little-audit-trail-analysis

    Evidenced rebuttal of Robbins, red faces all round for those who declared him the best of the Civil Service?

    Most of the media have ignored her evidence today as it didn’t fit the narrative of Saint Olly being a total victim .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    2029 exit it is then.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,525

    I'm not finding any examples of telegraph codes for reporting latitude and longitude, alas.

    Among others, the German Short Signal Code of WWII and Enigma fame was a way of compressing location. So that the resultant messages were really short.

    Which meant that the Germans accidentally advanced information theory. The compactness and lack of redundancy made it a perfect crib for breaking Enigma.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951
    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,315
    edited April 23

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    As well as the lack of redundancy (so errors can be catastrophic) you also have the lack of continuity in that it is not obvious whether two locations are adjacent or widely separated (unlike latitude and longitude).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783
    edited April 23

    isam said:
    Should have happen 5+ years ago, since then the ratings have been tanking....and..

    "as well as a bold new slate of exclusive shows on YouTube. Featuring fresh formats, big personalities and more frequent,"

    Oh god they are going to make something for da yutt which will get 5 viewers.
    We were posh and watched Grandstand. I remember as far back as Jimmy Hill, Sam Leitch and Bob Wilson. All the kids at school watched On the Ball with Brian Moore.

    Football focus was left behind when Andy Gray launched In the Boot Room on Sky. When was that? Early 1990s?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,764

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    Aanpraten.
    Pardon?
    The Demolished Man: WWHG
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demolished_Man
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,428
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Off on a trip at the weekend. Looking forward to it

    Partly because I have just been told the cost of the trip, WERE I paying (I am not paying)

    Somewhere between £30,000-£35,000. For a week

    Miami for the F1? Although for most it will be a lot more expensive than £35k.
    I've been trying to work out if it is the single most expensive week long trip I've ever taken

    Probably it is. I did the maiden voyage of the Greg Mortimer to Antarctica, with Antarctic sea kayaking led by the man who invented Antarctic sea-kayaying. That was about £20,000 back then and might be £30k now, but it's nearly two weeks

    Private helicoptering around the Whitsundays? My personal safari right across Zambia with my own little aircraft at various points? The Oberoi-only jaunt across north India?

    All insanely expensive, were I paying, but I still think this tops out. Wow
    That someone is prepared to spend so much to keep you and your ignorant poisonous bile out of the country for a while might surprise the person on the Clapham omnibus, but it shouldn’t come as a surprise to any regular PB’er.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,849

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    The more wounded Starmer gets, the more tempting it will be for someone like Barton to land the killer blow when he gives evidence. Even a vigorous defence of the process as followed by Robbins would put Starmer in an even more difficult position.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    The more wounded Starmer gets, the more tempting it will be for someone like Barton to land the killer blow when he gives evidence. Even a vigorous defence of the process as followed by Robbins would put Starmer in an even more difficult position.
    Isn't Barton still in prison?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,849
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/26048648.new-stonewall-chair-kezia-dugdale-sorry-respects-jk-rowling/

    Former Scottish Labour leader and new Stonewall chair Kezia Dugdale has issued an apology after saying she had “respect” for JK Rowling.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,428
    Tres said:

    Foss said:

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Doom-clicking at some point in the first half of 2009.
    i was browsing the internet looking for some hot chat action on the boundary commission review of constituencies before the 2005 general election
    It must have been frustrating to have failed, and landed up here?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,764
    edited April 23

    Pulpstar said:

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    Yorkshire Ambulance recommend to use it to locate people, though it doesn't seem to be any use with Yodel (Who make Evri look like a custom concierge service)
    Amazon won't use it either. The big issue is one letter wrong and you're f*cked: many.miles.sway = Anchorage Alaska; many miles.away = Zimbabwe.
    Which goes back to what a number of people pointed out at the start.

    They are using a version of what used to be called Telegraph Codes. These were used to reduce the size of commercial telegrams more than for secrecy - telegrams were expensive and charged per word.

    Such codes rapidly ran into problems with errors due to words/letters misheard, written down etc.

    So a whole raft of techniques were created to build checksums into the coding and prevent such errors causing problems.

    But the Three Words people didn’t know about the basics of this stuff.
    Aanpraten.
    Pardon?
    The Demolished Man: WWHG
    The difference between a code and a cipher.
    • A cipher breaks a sentence down to its individual letters, converts each letter to another letter (ish), then reassemble the letters. So "British Atom Bomb 1959" translates to "CSJUJTI BUPN CPNC 2060"
    • A code attaches a group of letters to a sentence (or the words in them) that have no relation to the letters. So "British Atom Bomb 1959" translates to "Violet Club"
    If you have the key you can decipher a cypher and you can use brute force to do it by trying every single combination. But you can't decode a code without the original code book (or thereabouts)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,361

    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.

    Matthew
    @MatthewTorbitt
    Cabinet member said to me today they think Tuesday will means it’s curtains

    https://x.com/MatthewTorbitt/status/2047362513315004797
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/26048648.new-stonewall-chair-kezia-dugdale-sorry-respects-jk-rowling/

    Former Scottish Labour leader and new Stonewall chair Kezia Dugdale has issued an apology after saying she had “respect” for JK Rowling.

    The horror.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,892
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    Which seat is he running in?

    Or is he just a clickbait activist?
    Zohran Mamdani once read one of his tweets.
    Allegedly.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    Patriotism?

    I’ve walked across France to spend the night here

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Georges-de-Montaigu
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,849
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    Seems to be pretty big online though in fairness, I've heard of him many many times, and not just from GOP loons.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951

    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.

    Matthew
    @MatthewTorbitt
    Cabinet member said to me today they think Tuesday will means it’s curtains

    https://x.com/MatthewTorbitt/status/2047362513315004797
    Blind leading the blind if you ask me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    Oh dear, william.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342

    What3words running a secondary sale in an 80% down round is absolutely criminal This company has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars and in the last year generated £2m of revenue. It's doing a crowdfund and a secondary sale valuing the company at £50m way down from its heights. £50m on £2m of revenue for a company that is 11 years old is still massively over valued.

    https://x.com/SebJohnsonUK/status/2047298147102142614?s=20

    Who could have predicted What.Three.Words was a load of shite?
    It has a use, but no plausible revenue scheme. It is the sort of thing that would be a good open source charity, not a profitable business.
    Yes, you could imagine the people behind open street map implementing something like it, were it not for the fact that what three words would send the lawyers after them.
    If what3words is genuinely useful in rescue situations, there might be a case for nationalising it but perhaps we only hear those news reports because they are very rare.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    Party of paedo protectors.

    https://x.com/MikeLevin/status/2047300967754854758
    Asked his thoughts on whether Ghislaine Maxwell, a convicted child sex trafficker serving 20 years, should be pardoned, Republican Oversight Chairman James Comer said, “A lot of people do.”

    Name them, Chairman.

    Say out loud which Republicans on your committee or otherwise think a woman who groomed 14 year old girls for Jeffrey Epstein should walk free.

    Comer’s other move is to stop holding real hearings so no one can be put under oath and no one can be held in contempt.

    Every member of Congress, every parent, every survivor deserves better than floating a pardon for a child sex trafficker and a committee hiding behind roundtables.

    This is not oversight. This is a disgrace.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    Seems to be pretty big online though in fairness, I've heard of him many many times, and not just from GOP loons.
    Exactly. And he gets paid for that attention. There may be another 100 Dem centrist bloggers who are more representative but what they say doesn't shock so gets ignored. Inevitably the ones we here from are from the ones who shock because that is how the system we use has been designed. It is not a reflection of the Democratic voters*, but of the internet system.

    * over time it will corrupt the views of their voter as it has done Republicans, but it is not a current reflection.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,951

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    There are times one can forget you are trolling and don't believe a word you say, so posts like this are useful to remind us its all tongue in cheek.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    Seems to be pretty big online though in fairness, I've heard of him many many times, and not just from GOP loons.
    Sure; Democrats hate him too.

    "Do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of Hasan Piker?"

    Unfavorable: 15%
    Favorable: 7%

    Never Heard Of/Have No Opinion: 79%

    Echelon / April 2026

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/2046636060260655168
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    The terrifying thing is that's not complete nonsense.
  • How on Earth is a Tuesday resignation going to work? They go into an election without a leader? What?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342

    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.

    Matthew
    @MatthewTorbitt
    Cabinet member said to me today they think Tuesday will means it’s curtains

    https://x.com/MatthewTorbitt/status/2047362513315004797
    Next Tuesday or last Tuesday?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    edited April 23

    How on Earth is a Tuesday resignation going to work? They go into an election without a leader? What?

    Yes, I really cannot see an advantage to Labour in doing that.

    If he's going, and I'm not persuaded yet, it will be after. I take responsibility for the locals, have become a distraction, yadda yadda yadda.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    The terrifying thing is that's not complete nonsense.
    The loon leading the loons.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,032
    Anti-air activity around Tehran according to Twitter
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    Oh dear, william.
    You might be surprised - I've seen posts online of people angry with Trump because of a) Israel, and b) he hasn't deported all brown people.

    I don't think anyone else would be worse, because of his unique ability to inspire loving devotion, his capriciousness, and his monstrous ego driving things, but there are technically even loonier people about.

    It's scary.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836

    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.

    Matthew
    @MatthewTorbitt
    Cabinet member said to me today they think Tuesday will means it’s curtains

    https://x.com/MatthewTorbitt/status/2047362513315004797
    They should pull themselves together.
    Or draw things to a close.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    Oh dear, william.
    This William Glenn is a loon. Presumably the next will be anti-Trump.

    Not totally sure William isn’t just a fantastic troll.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    The only sensible decision.

    NATO selects Swedish Saab GlobalEye to replace 14 E-3 AWACS planes in historic shift from the U.S.
    https://x.com/ArmyRecognition/status/2047313252887957645
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    nico67 said:

    Dopermean said:

    One journalist still paying attention https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/23/peter-mandelson-evidence-cat-little-audit-trail-analysis

    Evidenced rebuttal of Robbins, red faces all round for those who declared him the best of the Civil Service?

    Most of the media have ignored her evidence today as it didn’t fit the narrative of Saint Olly being a total victim .
    Yes, they don't have the attention span and she's a woman. Based on her evidenced testimony, it's no surprise Robbins got shitcanned
  • Dopermean said:

    nico67 said:

    Dopermean said:

    One journalist still paying attention https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/23/peter-mandelson-evidence-cat-little-audit-trail-analysis

    Evidenced rebuttal of Robbins, red faces all round for those who declared him the best of the Civil Service?

    Most of the media have ignored her evidence today as it didn’t fit the narrative of Saint Olly being a total victim .
    Yes, they don't have the attention span and she's a woman. Based on her evidenced testimony, it's no surprise Robbins got shitcanned
    Really? It seemed decidedly mixed to me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    Oh dear, william.
    This William Glenn is a loon. Presumably the next will be anti-Trump.

    Not totally sure William isn’t just a fantastic troll.
    Who was it who said that eventually you become what you're pretending to be ?
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 763

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Approximately 2006, I was a mix of posting and lurking on Anthony Wells website UK Polling Report. Someone linked PB.

    I won quite a bit of money betting on Boris for Mayor, and Obama for POTUS following tips here. Then lost some spread betting on a Tory majority for 2010, luckily I got out of that one before it became too bad!
    UKPR was a brilliant site. Will be a few of todays posters here from back around the 2005 era
  • I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342

    isam said:
    Should have happen 5+ years ago, since then the ratings have been tanking....and..

    "as well as a bold new slate of exclusive shows on YouTube. Featuring fresh formats, big personalities and more frequent,"

    Oh god they are going to make something for da yutt which will get 5 viewers.
    I can't believe it's not The Rest is Football. Televised podcasts are the new somethingorother.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.

    PMs need to tough it out more.

    less than 2 years
    less than 2 years
    less than 50 days
    just over 3 years
    just over 3 years

    Is a pretty embarrassing return consider there were two with solid majorities in there. At least Rishi can accept that the public thought he was crap and kicked him out.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Robbins refused to co-operate with the humble address.

    How is it that UKSV were happy to pass the documents to Little if as Robbins maintained there were strict rules stopping him from doing this .

    And you’re allowed to pass them across for exceptional circumstances. He seemed to ignore the Mandelson drama and sat on his hands whilst the PM was giving interview after interview .

    Commentators seem to want to conflate two separate issues and ignore what the evidence so far has supported. Starmer did not lie to the Commons and Robbins was very uncooperative.

    No one disputes Starmer made a disastrous mistake in appointing Mandelson but the matter at hand is if he lied to the commons .



  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    isam said:
    Should have happen 5+ years ago, since then the ratings have been tanking....and..

    "as well as a bold new slate of exclusive shows on YouTube. Featuring fresh formats, big personalities and more frequent,"

    Oh god they are going to make something for da yutt which will get 5 viewers.
    I can't believe it's not The Rest is Football. Televised podcasts are the new somethingorother.
    It's like how certain genres of game became the 'default' for generic projects. Doom clones, GTA clones, Assassin's Creed, Soulslikes, just copy the basic formatting and slap a coat of paint on it

    (Many good ones amongst them, but it's still the ones which get the mass produced garbage)

    Televised podcasts are cheap and popular, but they are incredibly easy to replicate and the market is inundated.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,428

    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.

    Matthew
    @MatthewTorbitt
    Cabinet member said to me today they think Tuesday will means it’s curtains

    https://x.com/MatthewTorbitt/status/2047362513315004797
    Next Tuesday or last Tuesday?
    Tuesday 12 May
  • kle4 said:

    I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.

    PMs need to tough it out more.

    less than 2 years
    less than 2 years
    less than 50 days
    just over 3 years
    just over 3 years

    Is a pretty embarrassing return consider there were two with solid majorities in there. At least Rishi can accept that the public thought he was crap and kicked him out.
    The Cabinet have so I understand completely lost confidence in him. They are helping to give him an out.

    I now think it won’t be Burnham (at least this time around), however I think he will be into Parliament by the end of this year.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    Yes if Rayner was PM the City and CBI would likely desert Labour, which they backed in 2024 with Starmer for the first time since New Labour. The Conservatives, Reform and LDs would all be beneficiaries.

    Rayner if she did defeat Starmer and became PM after a leadership challenge would need a heavyweight centriat who understands the economy like Yvette Cooper to be her chancellor. Then to listen to their advice not dictate to them like Truss did Kwarteng
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    edited April 23

    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.

    Matthew
    @MatthewTorbitt
    Cabinet member said to me today they think Tuesday will means it’s curtains

    https://x.com/MatthewTorbitt/status/2047362513315004797
    They should pull themselves together.
    The blinds leading the blinds...

    EDIT apologies I see this gaga has already been made - the risk of reading the most recent first...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    HYUFD said:

    Yes if Rayner was PM the City and CBI would likely desert Labour,

    If the selectorate hear that they will only support her more of course. Would only depend if they thought the City hated Polanski more or not.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    kle4 said:

    isam said:
    Should have happen 5+ years ago, since then the ratings have been tanking....and..

    "as well as a bold new slate of exclusive shows on YouTube. Featuring fresh formats, big personalities and more frequent,"

    Oh god they are going to make something for da yutt which will get 5 viewers.
    I can't believe it's not The Rest is Football. Televised podcasts are the new somethingorother.
    It's like how certain genres of game became the 'default' for generic projects. Doom clones, GTA clones, Assassin's Creed, Soulslikes, just copy the basic formatting and slap a coat of paint on it

    (Many good ones amongst them, but it's still the ones which get the mass produced garbage)

    Televised podcasts are cheap and popular, but they are incredibly easy to replicate and the market is inundated.
    The last thing is why recommendation algorithms are so powerful. They decide which podcasts are put in front of the most people.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.

    That depends on the results surely? If Labour is beaten on seats and NEV by Reform, the Tories and Greens he will surely go. If Labour come second to Reform and beat the Conservatives and Greens Starmer likely stays for now
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342

    Dopermean said:

    nico67 said:

    Dopermean said:

    One journalist still paying attention https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/23/peter-mandelson-evidence-cat-little-audit-trail-analysis

    Evidenced rebuttal of Robbins, red faces all round for those who declared him the best of the Civil Service?

    Most of the media have ignored her evidence today as it didn’t fit the narrative of Saint Olly being a total victim .
    Yes, they don't have the attention span and she's a woman. Based on her evidenced testimony, it's no surprise Robbins got shitcanned
    Really? It seemed decidedly mixed to me.
    I'm not sure there's a huge difference between thinking results could not be shared with ministers, and thinking the same but taking legal advice to be certain and the lawyer OK'd it.

    But arguably this is the wrong question anyway if the UKSV turned up no new facts because then, as Dame Diana said, everyone already knew about Mandelson.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    HYUFD said:

    I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.

    That depends on the results surely? If Labour is beaten on seats and NEV by Reform, the Tories and Greens he will surely go. If Labour come second to Reform and beat the Conservatives and Greens Starmer likely stays for now
    Beating the Greens would be a massive surprise at this point.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    kle4 said:

    I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.

    PMs need to tough it out more.

    less than 2 years
    less than 2 years
    less than 50 days
    just over 3 years
    just over 3 years

    Is a pretty embarrassing return consider there were two with solid majorities in there. At least Rishi can accept that the public thought he was crap and kicked him out.
    It's a race to the bottom with the Premier League football managers.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,771

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Was interested in "opinion polling" some time in 2009, Googled the term, PB popped up, and the rest, as they say, is history.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    kle4 said:

    I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.

    PMs need to tough it out more.

    less than 2 years
    less than 2 years
    less than 50 days
    just over 3 years
    just over 3 years

    Is a pretty embarrassing return consider there were two with solid majorities in there. At least Rishi can accept that the public thought he was crap and kicked him out.
    The Cabinet have so I understand completely lost confidence in him. They are helping to give him an out.

    I now think it won’t be Burnham (at least this time around), however I think he will be into Parliament by the end of this year.
    Reportedly the Cabinet united to stop Starmer from joining in to bomb Iran. It was said they were led into that by Miliband. So it's quite possible that Miliband is the Kingmaker.

    Are we about to see Rayner as PM and Miliband as Chancellor?

    How many times a day is Rayner pressuring/asking for an update from HMRC?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited April 23

    nico67 said:

    @TSE holiday alert!

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    Latest on Starmer:

    * Ministers and officials believe he made catastrophic blunder at PMQs when he diverted from lines on Robbins
    * One Minister says they think we will be forced to resign next week after Barton gives evidence
    * Consensus is Standards investigation now inevitable

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2047345935328391401

    Hodges predicts imminent departure of Starmer, day 247.
    Starmer has driven Hodges close to needing an intervention since Currygate.

    Exactly what’s the premise for the Priviliges committee . He didn’t lie and the so called pressure is subjective . A part of me hopes Starmer stays on just to see the meltdown from Hodges.
    Hodges isn't going mad, essentially more clicks equals more pay and he knows this story gets clicks so runs it every day.

    Matthew
    @MatthewTorbitt
    Cabinet member said to me today they think Tuesday will means it’s curtains

    https://x.com/MatthewTorbitt/statu
    s/2047362513315004797
    If he was a Tory PM yes.

    Labour MPs couldn't even remove
    Corbyn when most of them nominated Owen Smith to replace him
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just in case anyone was thinking the Democrats are going to win 100 seats in the mid-terms, this is their new young activist, Hasan Piker. He thinks we should be stealing from supermarkets and looting art galleries, and that the healthcare executive murdered in cold blood last year was a justified homicide.

    https://x.com/lydiamoynihan/status/2047051163728506997
    https://x.com/piratewires/status/2047027303306363352

    In a two party system, you get loons on both sides.

    The difference is that Piker is a marginal figure; in the GOP the loons are in charge.

    Is Piker a candidate, or does he hold any official position ?
    No.
    And most voters in the US have never heard of him.

    But nice try.
    The loons aren't in charge. Trump keeps them in line.
    Oh dear, william.
    This William Glenn is a loon. Presumably the next will be anti-Trump.

    Not totally sure William isn’t just a fantastic troll.
    Leave him alone he's a Eurofederalist.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,890
    UK 10 year old gilt at 5.197 already. Add anything more to that for Rayner and borrowing at all will be ruinously expensive requiring savage cuts in the deficit, either by huge tax increases or big spending cuts or both.

    In some ways this might be a good thing. We cannot keep adding to our debt mountain like this. But I can't help feeling that a Rayner government might fall apart facing such choices.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    HYUFD said:

    I’ve heard from a pretty good source that Starmer will resign after the local elections at the latest. He has concluded “he cannot continue”.

    I’ve bet accordingly but DYOR.

    That depends on the results surely? If Labour is beaten on seats and NEV by Reform, the Tories and Greens he will surely go. If Labour come second to Reform and beat the Conservatives and Greens Starmer likely stays for now
    The implication is that the decision is done and the resignation would be tomorrow, were it not for the fact that the May elections are imminent.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    nico67 said:

    Robbins refused to co-operate with the humble address.

    How is it that UKSV were happy to pass the documents to Little if as Robbins maintained there were strict rules stopping him from doing this .

    And you’re allowed to pass them across for exceptional circumstances. He seemed to ignore the Mandelson drama and sat on his hands whilst the PM was giving interview after interview .

    Commentators seem to want to conflate two separate issues and ignore what the evidence so far has supported. Starmer did not lie to the Commons and Robbins was very uncooperative.

    No one disputes Starmer made a disastrous mistake in appointing Mandelson but the matter at hand is if he lied to the commons .

    I'm no wiser about what went on than before the hearing.

    One notable thing, though, is that Robbins didn't keep a paper record of most of these interactions; Little did.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    algarkirk said:

    How did you all discover Pb in the first place?

    Well, what I told the police was that I was just browsing the internet for some mild and legal political porn and came across this by accident, that I was very sorry and wouldn't do it again. I think I got away with it.
    "Would you like to put a cross in my box?"
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