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  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,284

    Leavitt on Iran’s attack on three ships:

    MacCallum: Does the president view that as a violation of the ceasefire?

    Leavitt: No, because these were not U.S. Ships. These were not Israeli ships. For the American media who is sort of blowing this out of proportion to discredit the president's facts that he has completely obliterated Iran's conventional navy, these two ships were taken by Iranian gunboats. They don’t have control of the strait. This is piracy.


    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2047033064162046045

    Where to start with that. Aren’t half the ships in the world registered in Liberia/Panama? My pal is currently on a ship halfway across the Atlantic in a ship owned by the Greeks , registered in the Bahamas, staffed by Filipinos, and rented by some other firm on behalf of an American firm.

    This war is looking like a comprehensive victory for the IRGC. What a stupid disaster.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Are Starmer and Boris rather more similar than either would care to admit?

    Neither were across the detail, both were inconsistent, hugely self-absorbed, liked to blame others, and rapidly lost the confidence of their team.

    The difference is that Starmer doesn't have the humour or the sex, but loves process, and Boris was more flippant and lazy, but loved a story.

    I think Starmer’s downfall has been hubris. You think of the period he was LotO. Covid, Ukraine, Inflation, Truss, Boris and Sunak effectively being the captain of the Tory Titanic.

    During Covid and Ukraine/Inflation he was able to continually attack the gov for their decisions and say he would do differently and this could never be tested.

    He was up against a Tory gov who so many people, including the media, were happy to get rid of.

    He was praised by his party and others for “forensically” taking apart Boris at PMQs. He had the freest of free hits v Truss and his attacks on Sunak were obnoxiously arrogant.

    I think he really did believe that he was more intelligent than Sunak, a better politician than Boris and he would sweep in and be a “grown up” and be “fair” and that would be enough.

    He worked in a rarified world where he was a human rights lawyer then running the CPS, that doesn’t shriek of wide experience with business, industry (sorry, forgot his old man was a toolmaker) the wider public sector, the military or frankly anything but his arrogance made him think he had all the answers and skills.
    Rishi is cleverer than SKS and Boris has more charisma, he was just better than Corbyn and at the time seemed of more moral character than Boris and offered a fresh face to the Tories after the Truss disaster and partygate. Sunak would easily beat Starmer now in a rerun of the last general election I expect
    That's an astute point. Looking back Sunak seems like a political titan compared to Starmer. Also quite honest and truthful - compared to Starmer - partly, it must be said,, because he's so insanely rich he doesn;t need to blag for free spectacles. Sunak also seems quite patriotic, in a genuine way. He hasn't scarpered to California since losing, as many predicted, and many expected. And he's genuinely clever, unlike Starmer and has emotional intelligence, unlike Starmer, Truss and TMay

    Argument: Sunak was potentially the best prime minister since Cameron, and maybe even Blair, he just never got the chance because the Tory brand was Ratnered. Discuss
    Bollocks.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783

    https://x.com/itvnews/status/2046955545798566326

    Dame Esther Rantzen’s daughter ‘furious’ as assisted dying bill fails

    Now that is something else we can lay at Starmer's door. An absolute dog's breakfast of a Private Members Bill lost for a generation due to Starmer incompetence .
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847

    It does rather seem that Starmer hasn’t bothered to read Robbins’s evidence to the committee; I think that he’s just skimmed the TLDR

    He's waiting for Robbins to tell him directly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Eabhal said:

    Leavitt on Iran’s attack on three ships:

    MacCallum: Does the president view that as a violation of the ceasefire?

    Leavitt: No, because these were not U.S. Ships. These were not Israeli ships. For the American media who is sort of blowing this out of proportion to discredit the president's facts that he has completely obliterated Iran's conventional navy, these two ships were taken by Iranian gunboats. They don’t have control of the strait. This is piracy.


    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2047033064162046045

    Where to start with that. Aren’t half the ships in the world registered in Liberia/Panama? My pal is currently on a ship halfway across the Atlantic in a ship owned by the Greeks , registered in the Bahamas, staffed by Filipinos, and rented by some other firm on behalf of an American firm.

    This war is looking like a comprehensive victory for the IRGC. What a stupid disaster.
    Yup.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    carnforth said:

    Cicero said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Are Starmer and Boris rather more similar than either would care to admit?

    Neither were across the detail, both were inconsistent, hugely self-absorbed, liked to blame others, and rapidly lost the confidence of their team.

    The difference is that Starmer doesn't have the humour or the sex, but loves process, and Boris was more flippant and lazy, but loved a story.

    I think Starmer’s downfall has been hubris. You think of the period he was LotO. Covid, Ukraine, Inflation, Truss, Boris and Sunak effectively being the captain of the Tory Titanic.

    During Covid and Ukraine/Inflation he was able to continually attack the gov for their decisions and say he would do differently and this could never be tested.

    He was up against a Tory gov who so many people, including the media, were happy to get rid of.

    He was praised by his party and others for “forensically” taking apart Boris at PMQs. He had the freest of free hits v Truss and his attacks on Sunak were obnoxiously arrogant.

    I think he really did believe that he was more intelligent than Sunak, a better politician than Boris and he would sweep in and be a “grown up” and be “fair” and that would be enough.

    He worked in a rarified world where he was a human rights lawyer then running the CPS, that doesn’t shriek of wide experience with business, industry (sorry, forgot his old man was a toolmaker) the wider public sector, the military or frankly anything but his arrogance made him think he had all the answers and skills.
    Rishi is cleverer than SKS and Boris has more charisma, he was just better than Corbyn and at the time seemed of more moral character than Boris and offered a fresh face to the Tories after the Truss disaster and partygate. Sunak would easily beat Starmer now in a rerun of the last general election I expect
    That's an astute point. Looking back Sunak seems like a political titan compared to Starmer. Also quite honest and truthful - compared to Starmer - partly, it must be said,, because he's so insanely rich he doesn;t need to blag for free spectacles. Sunak also seems quite patriotic, in a genuine way. He hasn't scarpered to California since losing, as many predicted, and many expected. And he's genuinely clever, unlike Starmer and has emotional intelligence, unlike Starmer, Truss and TMay

    Argument: Sunak was potentially the best prime minister since Cameron, and maybe even Blair, he just never got the chance because the Tory brand was Ratnered. Discuss
    I don't think he was good. I do agree after 14 years it was a very very difficult task he was not up to, especially after the Boris-Truss-Sunak switcharound torpedoed the party's appearance of competence.

    He got a really poor hand but he still played it pretty badly.
    Yes possibly. It might just be the utter utter shiteness of Starmer which is making Sunak seem good. Because is Starmer is stupefyingly bad

    The worst prime minister of my life, without question. Worse than Truss because she was crazy but she was gone within about 3 minutes, and she did at least have some ideas - even a couple of good ideas - she just didn't know how to enact them

    Starmer is an intellectual void, married to a moral vacuum surrounding an emotional nullity. And he's a wanker
    "The Lib Dems are not just empty. They are a void within a vacuum surrounded by a vast inanition." - Boris, 2003.
    And yet how often has such hubris invited nemesis?
    Well, quite. The largest bloc of third party MPs in a century and still ignored by the political class, though judging by the local by elections, not by the voters...
    They got fewer votes than Reform. As believers in PR, they can hardly use "seats won" as a grievance.
    They got 72 seats from 12.2%. 12.2% of 650 seats would be...79 seats. So from their perspective they managed a fair PR like outcome despite FPTP, it's not their fault the other parties don't support PR (yet). And it means the amount of attention they might argue they deserve matches the seat numbers, so they probably can use 'seats won' as a grievance.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    https://x.com/itvnews/status/2046955545798566326

    Dame Esther Rantzen’s daughter ‘furious’ as assisted dying bill fails

    Now that is something else we can lay at Starmer's door. An absolute dog's breakfast of a Private Members Bill lost for a generation due to Starmer incompetence .
    I don't think it will be lost for a generation. Support for the principle still appears to be there, and a lot of lessons can be learned from the route taken and roadblocks put up.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    On the Labour front

    Starmer - 5 years

    Corbyn - 29 years

    Miliband - 5 years

    Brown - 24 years

    Blair - 11 years

    Smith - 22 years

    Kinnock - 13 years

    Foot - 35 years

    Callaghan - 31 years

    Wilson - 18 years

    MiliEd was only an MP for five years before becoming party leader?

    That's both insane and somethng that explains a lot.

    (Checks- he had about 2 years between becoming an MP and joining the cabinet. That really explains a lot.)
    It was the era of the Spads getting promoted, plus he had the connections.

    He's probably readier now then he would have been then.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,208

    On the Labour front

    Starmer - 5 years

    Corbyn - 29 years

    Miliband - 5 years

    Brown - 24 years

    Blair - 11 years

    Smith - 22 years

    Kinnock - 13 years

    Foot - 35 years

    Callaghan - 31 years

    Wilson - 18 years

    MiliEd was only an MP for five years before becoming party leader?

    That's both insane and somethng that explains a lot.

    (Checks- he had about 2 years between becoming an MP and joining the cabinet. That really explains a lot.)
    Given that Miliband's now been an MP for sixteen years not five, by your reasoning he should then make a much better fist of being party leader second time around.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    Leavitt on Iran’s attack on three ships:

    MacCallum: Does the president view that as a violation of the ceasefire?

    Leavitt: No, because these were not U.S. Ships. These were not Israeli ships. For the American media who is sort of blowing this out of proportion to discredit the president's facts that he has completely obliterated Iran's conventional navy, these two ships were taken by Iranian gunboats. They don’t have control of the strait. This is piracy.


    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2047033064162046045

    I know her job is to spout nonsense confidently, it has been that way long before Trump was on the scene, but that really takes the cake of nonsense.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,469
    carnforth said:

    Cicero said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Are Starmer and Boris rather more similar than either would care to admit?

    Neither were across the detail, both were inconsistent, hugely self-absorbed, liked to blame others, and rapidly lost the confidence of their team.

    The difference is that Starmer doesn't have the humour or the sex, but loves process, and Boris was more flippant and lazy, but loved a story.

    I think Starmer’s downfall has been hubris. You think of the period he was LotO. Covid, Ukraine, Inflation, Truss, Boris and Sunak effectively being the captain of the Tory Titanic.

    During Covid and Ukraine/Inflation he was able to continually attack the gov for their decisions and say he would do differently and this could never be tested.

    He was up against a Tory gov who so many people, including the media, were happy to get rid of.

    He was praised by his party and others for “forensically” taking apart Boris at PMQs. He had the freest of free hits v Truss and his attacks on Sunak were obnoxiously arrogant.

    I think he really did believe that he was more intelligent than Sunak, a better politician than Boris and he would sweep in and be a “grown up” and be “fair” and that would be enough.

    He worked in a rarified world where he was a human rights lawyer then running the CPS, that doesn’t shriek of wide experience with business, industry (sorry, forgot his old man was a toolmaker) the wider public sector, the military or frankly anything but his arrogance made him think he had all the answers and skills.
    Rishi is cleverer than SKS and Boris has more charisma, he was just better than Corbyn and at the time seemed of more moral character than Boris and offered a fresh face to the Tories after the Truss disaster and partygate. Sunak would easily beat Starmer now in a rerun of the last general election I expect
    That's an astute point. Looking back Sunak seems like a political titan compared to Starmer. Also quite honest and truthful - compared to Starmer - partly, it must be said,, because he's so insanely rich he doesn;t need to blag for free spectacles. Sunak also seems quite patriotic, in a genuine way. He hasn't scarpered to California since losing, as many predicted, and many expected. And he's genuinely clever, unlike Starmer and has emotional intelligence, unlike Starmer, Truss and TMay

    Argument: Sunak was potentially the best prime minister since Cameron, and maybe even Blair, he just never got the chance because the Tory brand was Ratnered. Discuss
    I don't think he was good. I do agree after 14 years it was a very very difficult task he was not up to, especially after the Boris-Truss-Sunak switcharound torpedoed the party's appearance of competence.

    He got a really poor hand but he still played it pretty badly.
    Yes possibly. It might just be the utter utter shiteness of Starmer which is making Sunak seem good. Because is Starmer is stupefyingly bad

    The worst prime minister of my life, without question. Worse than Truss because she was crazy but she was gone within about 3 minutes, and she did at least have some ideas - even a couple of good ideas - she just didn't know how to enact them

    Starmer is an intellectual void, married to a moral vacuum surrounding an emotional nullity. And he's a wanker
    "The Lib Dems are not just empty. They are a void within a vacuum surrounded by a vast inanition." - Boris, 2003.
    And yet how often has such hubris invited nemesis?
    Well, quite. The largest bloc of third party MPs in a century and still ignored by the political class, though judging by the local by elections, not by the voters...
    They got fewer votes than Reform. As believers in PR, they can hardly use "seats won" as a grievance.
    Well make your mind up... finally the Lib Dems get roughly the percentage of seats to match their vote, while Labour get a blow out on the lowest winning vote since universal suffrage and if the Tories had some 35,000 votes fewer in key seats, they could have been 20 seats lower than the record low total they achieved. I do not defend the voting system, but I do know you have to be in the Parliament to change it. Does Parliament matter or not?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Are Starmer and Boris rather more similar than either would care to admit?

    Neither were across the detail, both were inconsistent, hugely self-absorbed, liked to blame others, and rapidly lost the confidence of their team.

    The difference is that Starmer doesn't have the humour or the sex, but loves process, and Boris was more flippant and lazy, but loved a story.

    I think Starmer’s downfall has been hubris. You think of the period he was LotO. Covid, Ukraine, Inflation, Truss, Boris and Sunak effectively being the captain of the Tory Titanic.

    During Covid and Ukraine/Inflation he was able to continually attack the gov for their decisions and say he would do differently and this could never be tested.

    He was up against a Tory gov who so many people, including the media, were happy to get rid of.

    He was praised by his party and others for “forensically” taking apart Boris at PMQs. He had the freest of free hits v Truss and his attacks on Sunak were obnoxiously arrogant.

    I think he really did believe that he was more intelligent than Sunak, a better politician than Boris and he would sweep in and be a “grown up” and be “fair” and that would be enough.

    He worked in a rarified world where he was a human rights lawyer then running the CPS, that doesn’t shriek of wide experience with business, industry (sorry, forgot his old man was a toolmaker) the wider public sector, the military or frankly anything but his arrogance made him think he had all the answers and skills.
    Rishi is cleverer than SKS and Boris has more charisma, he was just better than Corbyn and at the time seemed of more moral character than Boris and offered a fresh face to the Tories after the Truss disaster and partygate. Sunak would easily beat Starmer now in a rerun of the last general election I expect
    That's an astute point. Looking back Sunak seems like a political titan compared to Starmer. Also quite honest and truthful - compared to Starmer - partly, it must be said,, because he's so insanely rich he doesn;t need to blag for free spectacles. Sunak also seems quite patriotic, in a genuine way. He hasn't scarpered to California since losing, as many predicted, and many expected. And he's genuinely clever, unlike Starmer and has emotional intelligence, unlike Starmer, Truss and TMay

    Argument: Sunak was potentially the best prime minister since Cameron, and maybe even Blair, he just never got the chance because the Tory brand was Ratnered. Discuss
    Bollocks.
    That’s not a discussion, it’s a kneejerk reaction. I would argue that, with hindsight, Sunak was the best PM since Cameron, for the reasons given by Leon. I wouldn’t go back further than Cameron, though. However, Eat Out To Spread Covid showed that he was a very poor Chancellor.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,960

    On the Labour front

    Starmer - 5 years

    Corbyn - 29 years

    Miliband - 5 years

    Brown - 24 years

    Blair - 11 years

    Smith - 22 years

    Kinnock - 13 years

    Foot - 35 years

    Callaghan - 31 years

    Wilson - 18 years

    MiliEd was only an MP for five years before becoming party leader?

    That's both insane and somethng that explains a lot.

    (Checks- he had about 2 years between becoming an MP and joining the cabinet. That really explains a lot.)
    Given that Miliband's now been an MP for sixteen years not five, by your reasoning he should then make a much better fist of being party leader second time around.
    No he is bonkers
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    On the Labour front

    Starmer - 5 years

    Corbyn - 29 years

    Miliband - 5 years

    Brown - 24 years

    Blair - 11 years

    Smith - 22 years

    Kinnock - 13 years

    Foot - 35 years

    Callaghan - 31 years

    Wilson - 18 years

    MiliEd was only an MP for five years before becoming party leader?

    That's both insane and somethng that explains a lot.

    (Checks- he had about 2 years between becoming an MP and joining the cabinet. That really explains a lot.)
    Given that Miliband's now been an MP for sixteen years not five, by your reasoning he should then make a much better fist of being party leader second time around.
    Time in parliament does not guarantee being better, just as wisdom does not always come with age, but I do think getting in at your first attempt, then very swiftly rising through the ranks, prevents an MP from experiencing many of the things the people they are expected to wrangle go through, and will make it harder as a result.

    The contrast might be someone like Corbyn who had nearly 3 decades in Parliament, but lacked any experiencing of junior ministries or (I think) chairing sub-committees, or even just building intra party relationships outside his faction. And so was utterly unsuitable and reduced to having his supporters whinge that MPs didn't just do whatever he wanted because the members liked him.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    edited April 22
    Leon said:


    Argument: Sunak was potentially the best prime minister since Cameron, and maybe even Blair, he just never got the chance because the Tory brand was Ratnered. Discuss

    No.

    He left D-Day 80yr commemorations early (including leaving the last few remaining D-Day veterans high and dry) as he thought it didn't matter.

    Even Truss would not have made such a crass error of judgment... He was a terrible Prime Minister following a 30 year run of them and still on-going.... Whatever have we done to deserve this roll call of shame:

    Major
    Blair
    Brown
    Cameron
    May
    Boris
    Truss (do we even count her, honestly???)
    Sunak
    Two Tier...

    To think that the late Queen Elizabeth II started her reign with Churchill and ended it with Johnson/Truss, really encapsulates the decline of a great nation over 70 years :(
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    This is wild.

    Shashank Joshi
    @shashj

    Experimenting with OpenAI's new model. A hydrologically accurate cut-away of the Strait of Hormuz, drawn by Richard Scarry, drawing on current AIS data.

    https://x.com/shashj/status/2047012586512695453
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    2h
    CHART OF THE DAY: The size of the 🇨🇳 Chinese strategic petroleum reserve is mind blowing: larger than 🇺🇸 US + 🇯🇵 Japan + the whole of 🇪🇺 Western Europe combined.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2046956211438841864

    And on a per capita basis?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360

    Eabhal said:

    Leavitt on Iran’s attack on three ships:

    MacCallum: Does the president view that as a violation of the ceasefire?

    Leavitt: No, because these were not U.S. Ships. These were not Israeli ships. For the American media who is sort of blowing this out of proportion to discredit the president's facts that he has completely obliterated Iran's conventional navy, these two ships were taken by Iranian gunboats. They don’t have control of the strait. This is piracy.


    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2047033064162046045

    Where to start with that. Aren’t half the ships in the world registered in Liberia/Panama? My pal is currently on a ship halfway across the Atlantic in a ship owned by the Greeks , registered in the Bahamas, staffed by Filipinos, and rented by some other firm on behalf of an American firm.

    This war is looking like a comprehensive victory for the IRGC. What a stupid disaster.
    Yup.
    Thoughts and prayers for John Bolton. For a while he thought this was the end of the Iranian regime and despite all his differences with Trump the best possible of worlds was due.

    Now...

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    Trump administration: we killed all the main Iranian leaders so now there's no one left we can negotiate sensibly with. Operation Epic Fury is therefore a massive success.

    Rest of the planet: Erm...?

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,863
    edited April 22
    kle4 said:

    On the Labour front

    Starmer - 5 years

    Corbyn - 29 years

    Miliband - 5 years

    Brown - 24 years

    Blair - 11 years

    Smith - 22 years

    Kinnock - 13 years

    Foot - 35 years

    Callaghan - 31 years

    Wilson - 18 years

    MiliEd was only an MP for five years before becoming party leader?

    That's both insane and somethng that explains a lot.

    (Checks- he had about 2 years between becoming an MP and joining the cabinet. That really explains a lot.)
    Given that Miliband's now been an MP for sixteen years not five, by your reasoning he should then make a much better fist of being party leader second time around.
    Time in parliament does not guarantee being better, just as wisdom does not always come with age, but I do think getting in at your first attempt, then very swiftly rising through the ranks, prevents an MP from experiencing many of the things the people they are expected to wrangle go through, and will make it harder as a result.

    The contrast might be someone like Corbyn who had nearly 3 decades in Parliament, but lacked any experiencing of junior ministries or (I think) chairing sub-committees, or even just building intra party relationships outside his faction. And so was utterly unsuitable and reduced to having his supporters whinge that MPs didn't just do whatever he wanted because the members liked him.
    There's a line that used to be said about a certain sort of teacher- "they haven't had 30 years' experience, they've had 1 years' experience 30 times". Corbyn's experience feels very much in the second category.

    (Not many teachers have 30 years' experience these days. The job is too knackering and the pay scales make oldies too expensive.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Are Starmer and Boris rather more similar than either would care to admit?

    Neither were across the detail, both were inconsistent, hugely self-absorbed, liked to blame others, and rapidly lost the confidence of their team.

    The difference is that Starmer doesn't have the humour or the sex, but loves process, and Boris was more flippant and lazy, but loved a story.

    I think Starmer’s downfall has been hubris. You think of the period he was LotO. Covid, Ukraine, Inflation, Truss, Boris and Sunak effectively being the captain of the Tory Titanic.

    During Covid and Ukraine/Inflation he was able to continually attack the gov for their decisions and say he would do differently and this could never be tested.

    He was up against a Tory gov who so many people, including the media, were happy to get rid of.

    He was praised by his party and others for “forensically” taking apart Boris at PMQs. He had the freest of free hits v Truss and his attacks on Sunak were obnoxiously arrogant.

    I think he really did believe that he was more intelligent than Sunak, a better politician than Boris and he would sweep in and be a “grown up” and be “fair” and that would be enough.

    He worked in a rarified world where he was a human rights lawyer then running the CPS, that doesn’t shriek of wide experience with business, industry (sorry, forgot his old man was a toolmaker) the wider public sector, the military or frankly anything but his arrogance made him think he had all the answers and skills.
    Rishi is cleverer than SKS and Boris has more charisma, he was just better than Corbyn and at the time seemed of more moral character than Boris and offered a fresh face to the Tories after the Truss disaster and partygate. Sunak would easily beat Starmer now in a rerun of the last general election I expect
    That's an astute point. Looking back Sunak seems like a political titan compared to Starmer. Also quite honest and truthful - compared to Starmer - partly, it must be said,, because he's so insanely rich he doesn;t need to blag for free spectacles. Sunak also seems quite patriotic, in a genuine way. He hasn't scarpered to California since losing, as many predicted, and many expected. And he's genuinely clever, unlike Starmer and has emotional intelligence, unlike Starmer, Truss and TMay

    Argument: Sunak was potentially the best prime minister since Cameron, and maybe even Blair, he just never got the chance because the Tory brand was Ratnered. Discuss
    Nope. He cancelled HS2 to Manchester in...erm... a major party speech in... erm ... Manchester. So he has the political antenna of a welk.

    His effective political career lasted less than ten years from entering parliament to becoming PM to losing an election (and has now spent 2 years pootling along in the backbenches). He became a junior minister within three years and into the Cabinet in four.

    He probably never had the chance to develop any political antennae.
    See also Starmer. Became an MP in May 2015, in the Shadow Cabinet by September 2015, party leader from April 2020. Neither of them either had the experience of fighting hopeless seats first (virtually all their modern predecessors) or being on the local council (Councillor Major, chairman of housing; Councillor May, chairman of education... even Bonkers Liz, though I don't think she got beyond opposition backbencher).

    Every other profession accepts the need for a decent apprenticeship before you start taking big independent jobs. It's not a partisan point, but why did anyone think politics was different?
    It hasn't been. Even recently May and Boris had plenty of experience. But now if you don't make it early it appears very hard.
    Years from first becoming MP to becoming leader

    Badenoch 7 years

    Sunak 7 years

    Truss 12 years

    May - 19 years

    Cameron - 4 years

    IDS - 9 years

    Hague - 8 years

    Major - 11 years

    Thatcher - 16 years.
    You left out Michael Howard - 20 years.

    Jeremy Hunt was first elected in 2005 so it's another datapoint for him being a potential Howard rather than Cleverly who became an MP a decade later.
    Blair - 11 years ?
    He never became Tory leader. Maybe he would have been a better PM if he was batting for the other team.
    That would be quite the tabloid story.

    Oh - the Tories....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    kle4 said:

    Leavitt on Iran’s attack on three ships:

    MacCallum: Does the president view that as a violation of the ceasefire?

    Leavitt: No, because these were not U.S. Ships. These were not Israeli ships. For the American media who is sort of blowing this out of proportion to discredit the president's facts that he has completely obliterated Iran's conventional navy, these two ships were taken by Iranian gunboats. They don’t have control of the strait. This is piracy.


    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2047033064162046045

    I know her job is to spout nonsense confidently, it has been that way long before Trump was on the scene, but that really takes the cake of nonsense.
    It's a layer cake of nonsense.

    With royal icing.

    And sprinkles.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    Zack Polanski thinks that Peter Thiel is the CEO of Palantir

    https://x.com/_BoldPolitics/status/2046925486064812139

    • Labour let Palantir - an American firm - have access to and process NHS data.
    • The Greens got Theil's job title wrong.
    Which is worse? It's a puzzle I tell thee...

    Thiel is the chair of the board i think?
    Why are so many people exercised about having their anonymised health records used to aid medical research?
    There is a lot of suspicion of Palantir, not least that the data will not be anonymised. The CEO of Palantir published a 22 point manifesto recently that could politely described as concerning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/21/palantir-manifesto-uk-contract-fears-mps?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    Is the data not anonymised at source? I’m sure that’s what my colleagues get when they use patient data.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    edited April 22
    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    GIN1138 said:

    Leon said:


    Argument: Sunak was potentially the best prime minister since Cameron, and maybe even Blair, he just never got the chance because the Tory brand was Ratnered. Discuss

    No.

    He left D-Day 80yr commemorations early (including leaving the last few remaining D-Day veterans high and dry) as he thought it didn't matter.

    Even Truss would not have made such a crass error of judgment... He was a terrible Prime Minister following a 30 year run of them and still on-going.... Whatever have we done to deserve this roll call of shame:

    Major
    Blair
    Brown
    Cameron
    May
    Boris
    Truss (do we even count her, honestly???)
    Sunak
    Two Tier...

    To think that the late Queen Elizabeth II started her reign with Churchill and ended it with Johnson/Truss, really encapsulates the decline of a great nation over 70 years :(
    At some point we need to move on a bit from WW2. The 80th anniversary? None of the politicians were alive during the war. Most of the country wasn’t. And why just D-Day? Why not Arnhem day? Or Bastogne?
    Remembrance is fine but there is a limit. And he DID attend.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Er... forgive my ignorance but what does that mean in plain English?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,053
    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Pretend someone hadn't been paying attention until now - what does any of that mean?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836

    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    Zack Polanski thinks that Peter Thiel is the CEO of Palantir

    https://x.com/_BoldPolitics/status/2046925486064812139

    • Labour let Palantir - an American firm - have access to and process NHS data.
    • The Greens got Theil's job title wrong.
    Which is worse? It's a puzzle I tell thee...

    Thiel is the chair of the board i think?
    Why are so many people exercised about having their anonymised health records used to aid medical research?
    There is a lot of suspicion of Palantir, not least that the data will not be anonymised. The CEO of Palantir published a 22 point manifesto recently that could politely described as concerning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/21/palantir-manifesto-uk-contract-fears-mps?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    Is the data not anonymised at source? I’m sure that’s what my colleagues get when they use patient data.
    It can be de-anonymised by combining with other data to triangulate. Theil wants to scrape as much data as possible in order to spy on and manipulate people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/30/peter-thiel-palantir-threat-to-americans?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    For those who don't know "Palantir" is the device used by Sauron in LOTR to spy on and influence people and events. So Theil is not concealing his objective!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190

    kle4 said:

    On the Labour front

    Starmer - 5 years

    Corbyn - 29 years

    Miliband - 5 years

    Brown - 24 years

    Blair - 11 years

    Smith - 22 years

    Kinnock - 13 years

    Foot - 35 years

    Callaghan - 31 years

    Wilson - 18 years

    MiliEd was only an MP for five years before becoming party leader?

    That's both insane and somethng that explains a lot.

    (Checks- he had about 2 years between becoming an MP and joining the cabinet. That really explains a lot.)
    Given that Miliband's now been an MP for sixteen years not five, by your reasoning he should then make a much better fist of being party leader second time around.
    Time in parliament does not guarantee being better, just as wisdom does not always come with age, but I do think getting in at your first attempt, then very swiftly rising through the ranks, prevents an MP from experiencing many of the things the people they are expected to wrangle go through, and will make it harder as a result.

    The contrast might be someone like Corbyn who had nearly 3 decades in Parliament, but lacked any experiencing of junior ministries or (I think) chairing sub-committees, or even just building intra party relationships outside his faction. And so was utterly unsuitable and reduced to having his supporters whinge that MPs didn't just do whatever he wanted because the members liked him.
    There's a line that used to be said about a certain sort of teacher- "they haven't had 30 years' experience, they've had 1 years' experience 30 times". Corbyn's experience feels very much in the second category.

    (Not many teachers have 30 years' experience these days. The job is too knackering and the pay scales make oldies too expensive.)
    See also Shane Warne on Monty Panesar
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    Zack Polanski thinks that Peter Thiel is the CEO of Palantir

    https://x.com/_BoldPolitics/status/2046925486064812139

    • Labour let Palantir - an American firm - have access to and process NHS data.
    • The Greens got Theil's job title wrong.
    Which is worse? It's a puzzle I tell thee...

    Thiel is the chair of the board i think?
    Why are so many people exercised about having their anonymised health records used to aid medical research?
    There is a lot of suspicion of Palantir, not least that the data will not be anonymised. The CEO of Palantir published a 22 point manifesto recently that could politely described as concerning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/21/palantir-manifesto-uk-contract-fears-mps?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    Is the data not anonymised at source? I’m sure that’s what my colleagues get when they use patient data.
    It can be de-anonymised by combining with other data to triangulate. Theil wants to scrape as much data as possible in order to spy on and manipulate people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/30/peter-thiel-palantir-threat-to-americans?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    For those who don't know "Palantir" is the device used by Sauron in LOTR to spy on and influence people and events. So Theil is not concealing his objective!
    I mean, he may just be a nerd who chose a cool sounding name he liked. But he would know what it would suggest, and if he doesn't like that people point that out they could rename the company.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836
    ohnotnow said:

    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Pretend someone hadn't been paying attention until now - what does any of that mean?
    This is a major El Nino, even correcting for climate change.

    It is a cyclical event in the Pacific that influences the weather worldwide. It seems to be setting up a major drought in the Western USA and Mexico.

    The one a few years ago also caused a major drought in 2024 in Southern Africa with crop failures. The Kariba dam on the Zambezi was nearly dry.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    ohnotnow said:

    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Pretend someone hadn't been paying attention until now - what does any of that mean?
    "Speak as you might to a small child...or a golden retriver."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20

    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20

    Wes Streeting defo for the sack after the May elections.

    If he can't even make a vaguely anonymous briefing any more, plus fucking up the NHS/PHE merger, plus all the dud media interviews, he's just a liability.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    I always said they were the SNP with worse hairstyles.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    Forcing it doesn't make it real, they could simply encourage such things.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20

    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20

    Wes Streeting defo for the sack after the May elections.

    If he can't even make a vaguely anonymous briefing any more, plus fucking up the NHS/PHE merger, plus all the dud media interviews, he's just a liability.
    His seat is also likely gone even in an only moderately bad night for Labour - even breaking a pledge to not to chicken run, he's not a choice for the future.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20

    I hope Wes and Ange manage to sort out the Stamp Duty properly on that accommodation...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    I always said they were the SNP with worse hairstyles.
    Worse than Sturgeon's???
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20

    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20

    Wes Streeting defo for the sack after the May elections.

    If he can't even make a vaguely anonymous briefing any more, plus fucking up the NHS/PHE merger, plus all the dud media interviews, he's just a liability.
    Which then makes him Starmer's Heseltine on the backbenches and very dangerous
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    ydoethur said:

    Robert Blake commented of Suez, 'it was a military success but a political disaster.'

    Trump is halfway towards repeating Suez.

    He just needs a military success.

    Already a political disaster. Question is whether it will still be a political disaster by the autumn when the US votes on midterms.

    He's running out of time.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    HYUFD said:

    'A Cabinet Minister says they have now lost confidence in Keir Starmer and expect the Cabinet to move against him
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047005816327196813?s=20

    Cabinet Minister: "It’s bleak. It’s a question for the Cabinet and colleagues need to come to a view. I know what my view is"

    Another Minister: "We can’t go on like this. Wes and Ange have got to come to some accommodation"'

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047006107692867731?s=20


    I guess it is understandable in the circumstances that Sir K thinks it is bleak and the Cabinet need to come to a view.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783
    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A tatty flag does not a patriot make.

    Funny that the Party of patriots predecessor parties spent most of their time in the European Parliament not banging the drum for Britain but shilling for Putin.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The official portrait is not helpful for it - it's a full body image of him in a corridor, so within a frame as well unless it is a really really big one it just looks too small.

    Needs to be shoulders and head only.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The official portrait is not helpful for it - it's a full body image of him in a corridor, so within a frame as well unless it is a really really big one it just looks too small.

    Needs to be shoulders and head only.
    No room for the sausage fingers?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,233

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The official portrait is not helpful for it - it's a full body image of him in a corridor, so within a frame as well unless it is a really really big one it just looks too small.

    Needs to be shoulders and head only.
    No room for the sausage fingers?
    Sausages are too unhealthy for school dinners.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085
    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    Will the history curriculum include the fact that we have always been at war with Eastasia?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The French and Americans have portraits or photos of their heads of state in most public buildings and the Dutch have photos of the royal family available for display in public areas as well
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The French and Americans have portraits or photos of their heads of state in most public buildings and the Dutch have photos of the royal family available for display in public areas as well
    Reform will be happy to ape the Americans, not so much the French and the Dutch.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    ohnotnow said:

    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Pretend someone hadn't been paying attention until now - what does any of that mean?
    Ah, this is tricky because there are several members here who are very up on their climatology so if I did something too basic I’d probably get piled on with corrections and told it’s more complex than that.

    But, in simple terms:

    - Usual state of the tropical Pacific is that Easterly trade winds blow all the warm water to the West and upwell relatively cold water from the deep in the East and centre. Keeps it dry in Western USA and South America, wet in Indonesia.
    - El Niño happens every few years when the trades weaken or reverse, and all the piled up warm water spreads eastwards cutting off upwelling. The whole system gets much warmer
    - El Ninos tend to start in summer and peak around Christmas, hence the name (the child ie Christ)
    - We get drought in SE Asia, drought in East Australia and Southern Africa and NE Brazil, floods in Peru, California, East Africa. The global temperature warms by up to 0.2C. Agricultural production globally declines.
    - There’s a marked impact on global GDP in the historical data

    El Niños are thought to to have been the origins of dozens of famines in recorded history as well as some of the stories in ancient texts including the bible (Nile floods in lower Egypt strongly correlated with El Niño years in East Africa).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    Interesting figures on tourism to Spain. If the trend for visitors from the UK is a proxy for the state of the economy then we’re doing better than the narrative suggests.

    https://x.com/embspainuk/status/2046964706645020777
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The official portrait is not helpful for it - it's a full body image of him in a corridor, so within a frame as well unless it is a really really big one it just looks too small.

    Needs to be shoulders and head only.
    No room for the sausage fingers?
    Sausages are too unhealthy for school dinners.
    My retired colleague always argued they were a sign he wouldn’t make old bones.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    Interesting figures on tourism to Spain. If the trend for visitors from the UK is a proxy for the state of the economy then we’re doing better than the narrative suggests.

    https://x.com/embspainuk/status/2046964706645020777

    Not much love from the USA.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836
    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    Makes you quite nostalgic for the UKIP manifesto requiring taxi drivers to wear uniform.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,260
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The official portrait is not helpful for it - it's a full body image of him in a corridor, so within a frame as well unless it is a really really big one it just looks too small.

    Needs to be shoulders and head only.
    There will already be a portrait of KC3 in all Civil Service offices (not always on public display, in Jobcentres they tend to be in the staff entrance)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The French and Americans have portraits or photos of their heads of state in most public buildings and the Dutch have photos of the royal family available for display in public areas as well
    In the days of the quite mad Turkmenbashi in Turkmenistan, it was obligatory to have a portrait of him - everywhere. Some had the dour, silver-haired drunkard of the Soviet era. Some had the more recent images of him with jet-black hair and the slightly startled smile of those ladies of a certain age in LA who most definitely have had no work, no sirree.

    It became so absurd that they had to put out an equally absurd story about how he had bcome magically rejuvenated upon becoming President of an independent Turkmenistan...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    MelonB said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Pretend someone hadn't been paying attention until now - what does any of that mean?
    Ah, this is tricky because there are several members here who are very up on their climatology so if I did something too basic I’d probably get piled on with corrections and told it’s more complex than that.

    But, in simple terms:

    - Usual state of the tropical Pacific is that Easterly trade winds blow all the warm water to the West and upwell relatively cold water from the deep in the East and centre. Keeps it dry in Western USA and South America, wet in Indonesia.
    - El Niño happens every few years when the trades weaken or reverse, and all the piled up warm water spreads eastwards cutting off upwelling. The whole system gets much warmer
    - El Ninos tend to start in summer and peak around Christmas, hence the name (the child ie Christ)
    - We get drought in SE Asia, drought in East Australia and Southern Africa and NE Brazil, floods in Peru, California, East Africa. The global temperature warms by up to 0.2C. Agricultural production globally declines.
    - There’s a marked impact on global GDP in the historical data

    El Niños are thought to to have been the origins of dozens of famines in recorded history as well as some of the stories in ancient texts including the bible (Nile floods in lower Egypt strongly correlated with El Niño years in East Africa).
    Well, if the crops are going to fail anyway, good job nobody is wasting money putting fertilizer on them... Fertilizer nobody has.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,763

    Interesting figures on tourism to Spain. If the trend for visitors from the UK is a proxy for the state of the economy then we’re doing better than the narrative suggests.

    https://x.com/embspainuk/status/2046964706645020777

    Or more prosaically, because fewer are going to the USA?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The French and Americans have portraits or photos of their heads of state in most public buildings and the Dutch have photos of the royal family available for display in public areas as well
    In the days of the quite mad Turkmenbashi in Turkmenistan, it was obligatory to have a portrait of him - everywhere. Some had the dour, silver-haired drunkard of the Soviet era. Some had the more recent images of him with jet-black hair and the slightly startled smile of those ladies of a certain age in LA who most definitely have had no work, no sirree.

    It became so absurd that they had to put out an equally absurd story about how he had bcome magically rejuvenated upon becoming President of an independent Turkmenistan...
    It could happen here, folks.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085

    MelonB said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Pretend someone hadn't been paying attention until now - what does any of that mean?
    Ah, this is tricky because there are several members here who are very up on their climatology so if I did something too basic I’d probably get piled on with corrections and told it’s more complex than that.

    But, in simple terms:

    - Usual state of the tropical Pacific is that Easterly trade winds blow all the warm water to the West and upwell relatively cold water from the deep in the East and centre. Keeps it dry in Western USA and South America, wet in Indonesia.
    - El Niño happens every few years when the trades weaken or reverse, and all the piled up warm water spreads eastwards cutting off upwelling. The whole system gets much warmer
    - El Ninos tend to start in summer and peak around Christmas, hence the name (the child ie Christ)
    - We get drought in SE Asia, drought in East Australia and Southern Africa and NE Brazil, floods in Peru, California, East Africa. The global temperature warms by up to 0.2C. Agricultural production globally declines.
    - There’s a marked impact on global GDP in the historical data

    El Niños are thought to to have been the origins of dozens of famines in recorded history as well as some of the stories in ancient texts including the bible (Nile floods in lower Egypt strongly correlated with El Niño years in East Africa).
    Well, if the crops are going to fail anyway, good job nobody is wasting money putting fertilizer on them... Fertilizer nobody has.
    We will be ok. Floods following thunderstorms will cause rivers to overflow, spreading the untreated sewage onto the adjoining fields, thereby fertilising the crops.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222
    rkrkrk said:

    nico67 said:

    Amidst the media desperation to beatify Olly Robbins a different view of his appearance yesterday.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/22/olly-robbins-mandelson-vetting-file-foreign-office-analysis

    I'm glad at least one journalist has noticed this.
    The mere fact that Robbins made a decision without reading the report (colour coded box marking) to me is crazy. That he then didn't raise this or investigate further when it became a scandal is incredible.
    I agree. It's really appalling, and the general 'purrring down the telephone line' that is happening about Sir 'Olly' at the moment is quite ridiculous.

    I suppose you have to have a goodie and a baddie.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,689
    ydoethur said:

    Robert Blake commented of Suez, 'it was a military success but a political disaster.'

    Trump is halfway towards repeating Suez.

    He just needs a military success.

    What happened to 'doing a number' on Kharg Island?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    viewcode said:

    Interesting figures on tourism to Spain. If the trend for visitors from the UK is a proxy for the state of the economy then we’re doing better than the narrative suggests.

    https://x.com/embspainuk/status/2046964706645020777

    Or more prosaically, because fewer are going to the USA?
    That factor would affect France and Germany too.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    MelonB said:

    ohnotnow said:

    MelonB said:

    Time for one of my periodic super-El Nino updates.

    The long, strong westerly wind burst is over and the trades are back to close to normal until the last few days of April, but I think we have hit escape velocity and a big event is now inevitable.

    Sub-surface anomalies: already higher in the equatorial Pacific than at any time except the 1997/8 mega event, and still rising:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif
    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/index/heat_content_index.txt

    (Note second link only goes up to March but included for historical comparison).

    Dynamic forecasts from the main models the highest I’ve ever seen, and breaking the CFS scale:

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/heat-last-year.gif

    (1997/8 peaked at +2.4C)

    ENSO remains hard to predict this early in the year. The pattern only locks in during boreal summer. But it’s already far further advanced than in normal events, so it’s possible to be confident already on a powerful event, and certainly not rule out the extreme scenarios turning up in some models.

    It’s certainly been picked up on social media and the Americans have noticed, but of course that means they’re now all going loony about it on x and Bluesky and either prognosticating the end of civilisation as we know it or claiming it’s a hoax.

    Pretend someone hadn't been paying attention until now - what does any of that mean?
    Ah, this is tricky because there are several members here who are very up on their climatology so if I did something too basic I’d probably get piled on with corrections and told it’s more complex than that.

    But, in simple terms:

    - Usual state of the tropical Pacific is that Easterly trade winds blow all the warm water to the West and upwell relatively cold water from the deep in the East and centre. Keeps it dry in Western USA and South America, wet in Indonesia.
    - El Niño happens every few years when the trades weaken or reverse, and all the piled up warm water spreads eastwards cutting off upwelling. The whole system gets much warmer
    - El Ninos tend to start in summer and peak around Christmas, hence the name (the child ie Christ)
    - We get drought in SE Asia, drought in East Australia and Southern Africa and NE Brazil, floods in Peru, California, East Africa. The global temperature warms by up to 0.2C. Agricultural production globally declines.
    - There’s a marked impact on global GDP in the historical data

    El Niños are thought to to have been the origins of dozens of famines in recorded history as well as some of the stories in ancient texts including the bible (Nile floods in lower Egypt strongly correlated with El Niño years in East Africa).
    A couple of minor little things to add: stronger El Niño cycles is one of those predictions from the climate models where we were never that confident in them, because it was a hard thing for the models to recreate, but this super-strong event would be consistent with that prediction. Which is not great.

    Also, while global surface temperature increases in an El Niño, this has the effect of increasing the outgoing longwave radiation from the surface, and so it reduces temporarily the radiative imbalance at the top of the atmosphere that leads to the globe warming. So the globe looks a lot hotter, but it's actually less hotter, in the short-term. This is only heating deferred, rather than avoided, but it's an interesting little quirk.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    Locals update:

    A second Reform leaflet to match the Greens output. Our 3 all-male Reform candidates on one side cover everything I might expect: the retired Christian nationalist, the 50 something small businessman and a more online looking, younger bearded-but-not-in-a-hipster-way type.

    Out and about it's not yet the carnival of election poster festoonery we've had for some recent elections and the Dewsbury end of the borough is very quiet. By ward:

    Dalton: loads of generic Labour posters and a definite play to hold specifically here
    Greenhead, Newsome & Netherton: enough generic Green posters to mark territory but not lots. One in the usual garden, but otherwise just lampposts
    Heckmondwike: the only A62 poster north of Huddersfield is passing the bit of this ward that goes through. 2 Muslim community independents on a poster - I thought they'd stood 3 tbh.
    Lindley, Almondbury: Lib Dems putting up a smattering of 3 name posters. I swear a couple of the named Almondbury ones have crept across the road into Dalton ward
    Crosland Moor: Labour, Green and a single Muslim community independent trade a couple of posters each, the independent has a big poster on the private yard outside a takeaway.
    Holme Valley North: the Local Independents came out early with individual named posters in matching purple/white colours to say they are a grouping, three per lamppost, Reform have followed them on the same lampposts with generic posters.
    Ashbrow: Labour, Green and Reform trading a few posters along the A62
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,137
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Robert Blake commented of Suez, 'it was a military success but a political disaster.'

    Trump is halfway towards repeating Suez.

    He just needs a military success.

    What happened to 'doing a number' on Kharg Island?
    It seems that by Trumps naval blockade, Iran cannot export their oil which has a direct effect on their oilfields which once unable to distribute their oil they become seriously damaged even long term

    This is Trump's military using the blockade to damage Iran's oil revenues without bombing Kharg Island

    The problem is this is terrible for everyone and a serious stalemate
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011

    viewcode said:

    Interesting figures on tourism to Spain. If the trend for visitors from the UK is a proxy for the state of the economy then we’re doing better than the narrative suggests.

    https://x.com/embspainuk/status/2046964706645020777

    Or more prosaically, because fewer are going to the USA?
    That factor would affect France and Germany too.
    Our totally crap winter weatherwise might be a factor? By March a lot of people were looking for somewhere a bit sunnier.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    ydoethur said:

    Robert Blake commented of Suez, 'it was a military success but a political disaster.'

    Trump is halfway towards repeating Suez.

    He just needs a military success.

    Already a political disaster. Question is whether it will still be a political disaster by the autumn when the US votes on midterms.

    He's running out of time.
    Both sides seem to be overplaying weak hands. I've no idea what is going to happen.

    What's important to me is that Europe is just a passenger, completely powerless to influence events. And the main reaction of most European governments has been to use money that would be better invested in the technology of the future - so that Europe would be wealthier and more in charge of its own destiny in the future - it's using that money for short-term fuel subsidies.

    It's maddening.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    Pro_Rata said:

    Locals update:

    A second Reform leaflet to match the Greens output. Our 3 all-male Reform candidates on one side cover everything I might expect: the retired Christian nationalist, the 50 something small businessman and a more online looking, younger bearded-but-not-in-a-hipster-way type.

    Out and about it's not yet the carnival of election poster festoonery we've had for some recent elections and the Dewsbury end of the borough is very quiet. By ward:

    Dalton: loads of generic Labour posters and a definite play to hold specifically here
    Greenhead, Newsome & Netherton: enough generic Green posters to mark territory but not lots. One in the usual garden, but otherwise just lampposts
    Heckmondwike: the only A62 poster north of Huddersfield is passing the bit of this ward that goes through. 2 Muslim community independents on a poster - I thought they'd stood 3 tbh.
    Lindley, Almondbury: Lib Dems putting up a smattering of 3 name posters. I swear a couple of the named Almondbury ones have crept across the road into Dalton ward
    Crosland Moor: Labour, Green and a single Muslim community independent trade a couple of posters each, the independent has a big poster on the private yard outside a takeaway.
    Holme Valley North: the Local Independents came out early with individual named posters in matching purple/white colours to say they are a grouping, three per lamppost, Reform have followed them on the same lampposts with generic posters.
    Ashbrow: Labour, Green and Reform trading a few posters along the A62

    Heckmondwike. Such a great name.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,689
    edited April 22

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Robert Blake commented of Suez, 'it was a military success but a political disaster.'

    Trump is halfway towards repeating Suez.

    He just needs a military success.

    What happened to 'doing a number' on Kharg Island?
    It seems that by Trumps naval blockade, Iran cannot export their oil which has a direct effect on their oilfields which once unable to distribute their oil they become seriously damaged even long term

    This is Trump's military using the blockade to damage Iran's oil revenues without bombing Kharg Island

    The problem is this is terrible for everyone and a serious stalemate
    He is out of his depth basically. Can't prosecute a war. Can't negotiate an alternative to it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/2047049850215145861

    “We are way beyond the beginning of the end”

    Former First Minister of Scotland @NicolaSturgeon says Keir Starmer cannot ‘turn around’ the negative poll ratings and the longer he ‘limps on’ the more terminal damage he will do for the Labour brand
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    ydoethur said:

    Robert Blake commented of Suez, 'it was a military success but a political disaster.'

    Trump is halfway towards repeating Suez.

    He just needs a military success.

    Already a political disaster. Question is whether it will still be a political disaster by the autumn when the US votes on midterms.

    He's running out of time.
    Both sides seem to be overplaying weak hands. I've no idea what is going to happen.

    What's important to me is that Europe is just a passenger, completely powerless to influence events. And the main reaction of most European governments has been to use money that would be better invested in the technology of the future - so that Europe would be wealthier and more in charge of its own destiny in the future - it's using that money for short-term fuel subsidies.

    It's maddening.
    It feels like a really odd focus. Where's the long term vision?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,449

    Pro_Rata said:

    Locals update:

    A second Reform leaflet to match the Greens output. Our 3 all-male Reform candidates on one side cover everything I might expect: the retired Christian nationalist, the 50 something small businessman and a more online looking, younger bearded-but-not-in-a-hipster-way type.

    Out and about it's not yet the carnival of election poster festoonery we've had for some recent elections and the Dewsbury end of the borough is very quiet. By ward:

    Dalton: loads of generic Labour posters and a definite play to hold specifically here
    Greenhead, Newsome & Netherton: enough generic Green posters to mark territory but not lots. One in the usual garden, but otherwise just lampposts
    Heckmondwike: the only A62 poster north of Huddersfield is passing the bit of this ward that goes through. 2 Muslim community independents on a poster - I thought they'd stood 3 tbh.
    Lindley, Almondbury: Lib Dems putting up a smattering of 3 name posters. I swear a couple of the named Almondbury ones have crept across the road into Dalton ward
    Crosland Moor: Labour, Green and a single Muslim community independent trade a couple of posters each, the independent has a big poster on the private yard outside a takeaway.
    Holme Valley North: the Local Independents came out early with individual named posters in matching purple/white colours to say they are a grouping, three per lamppost, Reform have followed them on the same lampposts with generic posters.
    Ashbrow: Labour, Green and Reform trading a few posters along the A62

    Heckmondwike. Such a great name.
    My nieces both went to school there.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,770
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Robert Blake commented of Suez, 'it was a military success but a political disaster.'

    Trump is halfway towards repeating Suez.

    He just needs a military success.

    What happened to 'doing a number' on Kharg Island?
    It seems that by Trumps naval blockade, Iran cannot export their oil which has a direct effect on their oilfields which once unable to distribute their oil they become seriously damaged even long term

    This is Trump's military using the blockade to damage Iran's oil revenues without bombing Kharg Island

    The problem is this is terrible for everyone and a serious stalemate
    He is out of his depth basically. Can't prosecute a war. Can't negotiate an alternative to it.
    "FAKE NEWS from the RADICAL LEFT LUNATIC Kinabalu! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,428

    Interesting figures on tourism to Spain. If the trend for visitors from the UK is a proxy for the state of the economy then we’re doing better than the narrative suggests.

    https://x.com/embspainuk/status/2046964706645020777

    All us folks giving the US the miss have gotta go somewhere….
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    I see that Lord Robertson has made another criticism of British government defence strategy. I'm glad that someone is doing so, but it feels a bit disappointing that the opposition in the Commons has been so distracted by Mandelson that there's no pressure on the government over defence in the Commons.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Dan Garden excellent on Newsnight.

    Starmer is finished.

    You heard it here first.......
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    I see that Lord Robertson has made another criticism of British government defence strategy. I'm glad that someone is doing so, but it feels a bit disappointing that the opposition in the Commons has been so distracted by Mandelson that there's no pressure on the government over defence in the Commons.

    They know they have too many skeletons in their own closet.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948
    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    What’s the end result of teaching kids some jingoistic pablum instead of what actually happened?

    Oh, yes, it’s something like President Trump fighting, and losing, a war by just repeatedly saying he’s won, even though he hasn’t.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/2047049850215145861

    “We are way beyond the beginning of the end”

    Former First Minister of Scotland @NicolaSturgeon says Keir Starmer cannot ‘turn around’ the negative poll ratings and the longer he ‘limps on’ the more terminal damage he will do for the Labour brand

    Well, Nicola, he hasn’t been arrested, has he?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    https://x.com/itvpeston/status/2047049850215145861

    “We are way beyond the beginning of the end”

    Former First Minister of Scotland @NicolaSturgeon says Keir Starmer cannot ‘turn around’ the negative poll ratings and the longer he ‘limps on’ the more terminal damage he will do for the Labour brand

    Well, Nicola, he hasn’t been arrested, has he?
    She made sure to get out before the shit hit the fan.

    I still think Murrell will weasel out of it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131
    IanB2 said:

    Interesting figures on tourism to Spain. If the trend for visitors from the UK is a proxy for the state of the economy then we’re doing better than the narrative suggests.

    https://x.com/embspainuk/status/2046964706645020777

    All us folks giving the US the miss have gotta go somewhere….
    Visits to the US also up by 16% in March:

    https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/news/uk-market-to-us-belies-overall-decline-with-year-on-year-growth
  • Roger said:

    Dan Garden excellent on Newsnight.

    Starmer is finished.

    You heard it here first.......

    Did he plant some seeds of wisdom
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    edited April 22
    Being reported that Tulsi Gabbard is being "resigned".

    Four members of the administration being resigned - all women.

    Yet Hegseth and Patel remain in post.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128

    Roger said:

    Dan Garden excellent on Newsnight.

    Starmer is finished.

    You heard it here first.......

    I'm sure I heard it somewhere else yesterday. And the day before, and...
    I thought I was first. Not seventh...........
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    I didn't think the BBC had ads but some vaguely familiar bloke is doing a 10 minute infomercial for Anthropic on newsnight.
    So if employers NI is abolished where does the former CoE and PM think the lost tax will come from? Corporation tax? Can't see businesses being happy about that even if they've saved a wedge on NI.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805

    Being reported that Tulsi Gabbard is being "resigned".

    Four members of the administration being resigned - all women.

    Yet Hegseth and Patel remain in post.

    He loves big tough men. Or failing that, men at least.

    I'd never even heard of the Labor secretary, what did she do to upset him? Note, being corrupt or incompetent in itself would not be the answer, given those who remain in place.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,651
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The French and Americans have portraits or photos of their heads of state in most public buildings and the Dutch have photos of the royal family available for display in public areas as well
    yes, but that's because their leaders are lacking in confidence. It's just not the British way to do these things, monarchist or not
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Dan Garden excellent on Newsnight.

    Starmer is finished.

    You heard it here first.......

    I'm sure I heard it somewhere else yesterday. And the day before, and...
    I thought I was first. Not seventh...........
    Is that Chelsea's brother?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,805
    Tres said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Reform UK says it would require all schools in the UK to fly the Union Jack and display a portrait of the King in a communal area '

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047042814102384971?s=20

    'Alongside the Union Jack, schools would need to display the Cross of St George in England, the Saltire in Scotland and the Red Dragon in Wales

    It has also pledged to change the curriculum to "reflect a patriotic history of the British Isles"

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2047043107758182768?s=20

    A picture of King Charles in every school. That's really living the dream, policy-wise.
    The French and Americans have portraits or photos of their heads of state in most public buildings and the Dutch have photos of the royal family available for display in public areas as well
    yes, but that's because their leaders are lacking in confidence. It's just not the British way to do these things, monarchist or not
    I'm a monarchist, but I'm not a weirdo about it - I think people are content with the system as it is, and the people who don't care are not overexposed to any of it, you piss off more people if you get too pushy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,490

    Being reported that Tulsi Gabbard is being "resigned".

    Four members of the administration being resigned - all women.

    Yet Hegseth and Patel remain in post.

    The Kremlin will be most disappointed.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128

    Roger said:

    Dan Garden excellent on Newsnight.

    Starmer is finished.

    You heard it here first.......

    Did he plant some seeds of wisdom
    I wondered the same when I heard he was from WaverTREE
  • isamisam Posts: 44,230

    I see that Lord Robertson has made another criticism of British government defence strategy. I'm glad that someone is doing so, but it feels a bit disappointing that the opposition in the Commons has been so distracted by Mandelson that there's no pressure on the government over defence in the Commons.

    Badenoch used all six questions at PMQs about it last time Lord Robertson spoke out
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,833
    edited April 22
    War going well

    Top US navy official to leave office ‘immediately’, says Pentagon

    The Pentagon has announced that US secretary of the navy John Phelan will leave office “immediately”, without providing an explanation for the sudden departure.

    The exit comes after the US army’s top officer, Gen Randy George, and two other senior officers were removed earlier this month amid the continuing US war with Iran.

    Phelan “is departing the administration, effective immediately”, Pentagon spokesperson Sean Parnell said on X, adding that undersecretary Hung Cao would replace Phelan in an acting capacity.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/22/iran-war-live-updates-trump-ceasefire-us-hormuz-blockade-israel-lebanon-middle-east?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with:block-69e94e238f08e57d94004bc2#block-69e94e238f08e57d94004bc2
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