Does deputy Lammy become interim PM if Starmer resigns in disgrace?
The guy who was Foreign Secretary when all this shit was happening?
The perfect clean skin.
Hah, good point.
Looked it up, and apparently it would be up to the Cabinet "in consultation with the NEC", whatever that means. Probably someone who doesn't want the job permanently (anymore), like one Keir Starmer.
To use a cliched phrase, we still need the smoking gun.
I confess I'm finding all the "explanations" giving credibility a decent turn on the rack but as yet I've yet to see that one detail which points directly to Starmer deliberately misleading Parliament as distinct from accidentally misleading by being given incorrect information.
Nonetheless, it looks bad and clearly the vetting process revealed issues wirh Mandelson which were then overruled which looked risky then and now look disastrous.
As is so often the case with these matters, it's back to who knew what and when.
The smoking gun may be discovered next to the empty glass of whisky...
As unlikely as it seems I think Trump's blockade is working. From the jaws of defeat he might just snatch victory. My understanding is that Iran will run out of foreign currency within a few weeks which may end up with societal collapse because Iran imports a lot of its essential products.
To use a cliched phrase, we still need the smoking gun.
I confess I'm finding all the "explanations" giving credibility a decent turn on the rack but as yet I've yet to see that one detail which points directly to Starmer deliberately misleading Parliament as distinct from accidentally misleading by being given incorrect information.
Nonetheless, it looks bad and clearly the vetting process revealed issues wirh Mandelson which were then overruled which looked risky then and now look disastrous.
As is so often the case with these matters, it's back to who knew what and when.
It’s ten times worse because the man stood up week after week and delivered pious orations about partygate. Very effectively too. Did he not realise he would then need to be absolutely squeaky clean in office?
Wifey is up in London, seeing a screening of the first assembly of the movie "The Housekeeper" she has produced. Oscar-nominated and BAFTA-winning editor Tariq Anwar in charge.
Whisper it. But Wes Streeting is doing a good job as Health Secretary, and Labour MPs are starting to notice. Was a narrative that his proximity to Mandelson had killed his leadership chances. I'm not so sure.
To use a cliched phrase, we still need the smoking gun.
I confess I'm finding all the "explanations" giving credibility a decent turn on the rack but as yet I've yet to see that one detail which points directly to Starmer deliberately misleading Parliament as distinct from accidentally misleading by being given incorrect information.
Nonetheless, it looks bad and clearly the vetting process revealed issues wirh Mandelson which were then overruled which looked risky then and now look disastrous.
As is so often the case with these matters, it's back to who knew what and when.
It’s ten times worse because the man stood up week after week and delivered pious orations about partygate. Very effectively too. Did he not realise he would then need to be absolutely squeaky clean in office?
And partygate wasn’t a matter of state
Ambassador to the USA is a huge job
The Foreign Office had a successor ready to appoint, whom they then scuppered to anoint a man put forward by the PM
And they never bothered to tell the PM about the security vetting?
Is someone inside the party trying to deliberately undermine the Labour election campaign? And is there enough time to oust him before summer recess if he manages to hang on until the May election results
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
Did they explain "How?"
Has to be another MP looking to take early retirement, and dare the NEC to stand in his way again.
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
You must have started on the drink early if that's what they came out with.
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Wifey is up in London, seeing a screening of the first assembly of the movie "The Housekeeper" she has produced. Oscar-nominated and BAFTA-winning editor Tariq Anwar in charge.
She's just come out and texted me:
"It is absolutely fucking magnificent."
Good luck! Must be exciting and unnerving in equal measure
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
You must have started on the drink early if that's what they came out with.
As I say betting post.
I have upped my Burnham pot. This person is utterly and to their finger tips involved in day-to-day Labour and its ups and downs and candidates and election planning.
And let us not forget that at one stage Starmer was implicitly blaming the vetting process for letting Mandelson through — ‘both due diligence and security vetting need to be looked at again,’ he said. Turns out the vetting process did its job. And was overruled.
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
That unfortunately does not say much for the person you had drinks with. Burnham is not an MP. Burnham has no route to becoming an MP.
If your drinking partner is correct then it implies that Starmer remains in post indefinitely, as people wait impotently for Burnham to become an MP.
And let us not forget that at one stage Starmer was implicitly blaming the vetting process for letting Mandelson through — ‘both due diligence and security vetting need to be looked at again,’ he said. Turns out the vetting process did its job. And was overruled.
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Still, glad to see the media have decided they care about following the rules in public office as long as it’s not Johnson.
This is exactly what took down Johnson
Johnson was taken down by his cabinet not the media
The media storm caused the Conservatove party and ultimately his cabinet to take him down?
Nah, the cabinet hated they had lied to the public because Boris Johnson lied to them about putting a known sexual predator in a position of authority.
Wifey is up in London, seeing a screening of the first assembly of the movie "The Housekeeper" she has produced. Oscar-nominated and BAFTA-winning editor Tariq Anwar in charge.
She's just come out and texted me:
"It is absolutely fucking magnificent."
Good luck! Must be exciting and unnerving in equal measure
She is off to Cannes to sell it. Hoping the big screeners might end up in a bidding war...
The unnerving bit was getting the finance together. And especially finding the money to pay for Sir Anthony Hopkin's not-insignificant fee.
Probably the sort of movie the BAFTA voters are going to love. Here's hoping!
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
Our very own Deep Throat has spoken... 👀
As I say bet accordingly.
This is DYOR time.
It's been a while since we've had a Prime Minister from the Lords.
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
You must have started on the drink early if that's what they came out with.
New More in Common shock Holyrood poll has the SNP collapsing to just 32% of the vote on the constituency vote, 27% on the list and just 48 seats. There would be a Unionist majority for the first time since 2007 with Labour second on 21 seats, Reform third on 20, the Tories on 16 and LDs on 13, giving 70 Unionist MSPs
Anyhoo, because of this thread I've received a very abusive message.
A long term lurker says they are going to have nightmares thanks to me, they just know they are going to have dreams in 4K about Sir Keir Starmer having an 'accident' with a vacuum cleaner.
New More in Common shock Holyrood poll has the SNP collapsing to just 32% of the vote on the constituency vote, 27% on the list and just 48 seats. There would be a Unionist majority for the first time since 2007 with Labour second on 21 seats, Reform third on 20, the Tories on 16 and LDs on 13, giving 70 Unionist MSPs
New More in Common shock Holyrood poll has the SNP collapsing to just 32% of the vote on the constituency vote, 27% on the list and just 48 seats. There would be a Unionist majority for the first time since 2007 with Labour second on 21 seats, Reform third on 20, the Tories on 16 and LDs on 13, giving 70 Unionist MSPs
Wifey is up in London, seeing a screening of the first assembly of the movie "The Housekeeper" she has produced. Oscar-nominated and BAFTA-winning editor Tariq Anwar in charge.
She's just come out and texted me:
"It is absolutely fucking magnificent."
Good luck! Must be exciting and unnerving in equal measure
She is off to Cannes to sell it. Hoping the big screeners might end up in a bidding war...
The unnerving bit was getting the finance together. And especially finding the money to pay for Sir Anthony Hopkin's not-insignificant fee.
Probably the sort of movie the BAFTA voters are going to love. Here's hoping!
Wifey is up in London, seeing a screening of the first assembly of the movie "The Housekeeper" she has produced. Oscar-nominated and BAFTA-winning editor Tariq Anwar in charge.
She's just come out and texted me:
"It is absolutely fucking magnificent."
Good luck! Must be exciting and unnerving in equal measure
She is off to Cannes to sell it. Hoping the big screeners might end up in a bidding war...
The unnerving bit was getting the finance together. And especially finding the money to pay for Sir Anthony Hopkin's not-insignificant fee.
Probably the sort of movie the BAFTA voters are going to love. Here's hoping!
Hope it all goes OK for her (and your good self)
Thanks - I just have to hold the fort at home whilst she has the horrors of the Cannes Croisette, the yachts, the glamorous parties...
Wifey is up in London, seeing a screening of the first assembly of the movie "The Housekeeper" she has produced. Oscar-nominated and BAFTA-winning editor Tariq Anwar in charge.
She's just come out and texted me:
"It is absolutely fucking magnificent."
Good luck! Must be exciting and unnerving in equal measure
She is off to Cannes to sell it. Hoping the big screeners might end up in a bidding war...
The unnerving bit was getting the finance together. And especially finding the money to pay for Sir Anthony Hopkin's not-insignificant fee.
Probably the sort of movie the BAFTA voters are going to love. Here's hoping!
Hope it all goes OK for her (and your good self)
Thanks - I just have to hold the fort at home whilst she has the horrors of the Cannes Croisette, the yachts, the glamorous parties...
It's a hard life but somebody has to go to all those parties...
New More in Common shock Holyrood poll has the SNP collapsing to just 32% of the vote on the constituency vote, 27% on the list and just 48 seats. There would be a Unionist majority for the first time since 2007 with Labour second on 21 seats, Reform third on 20, the Tories on 16 and LDs on 13, giving 70 Unionist MSPs
interesting as that contradicts some of the recent MRPs
Yep, the thing we dont know is what happens to the Green constituency vote in polls where they are getting 6/7% (they are only standing in 6 constituencies)
Turnout will be lower that's for certain.
Interestingly Ladbrokes have an SNP constituency vote %, the bands are over 39.5% (4/5) and under 39.5% (evens) ... for me the buy is on the under band
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
You must have started on the drink early if that's what they came out with.
New More in Common shock Holyrood poll has the SNP collapsing to just 32% of the vote on the constituency vote, 27% on the list and just 48 seats. There would be a Unionist majority for the first time since 2007 with Labour second on 21 seats, Reform third on 20, the Tories on 16 and LDs on 13, giving 70 Unionist MSPs
Bit out of keeping with every other bit of polling to date?
Not that that would mean it was wrong automatically, but I'm wary of good news.
We said the same in the 2017 general election campaign about the Survation poll giving a hung parliament when most polls still predicted a clear May majority but Survation was right
New More in Common shock Holyrood poll has the SNP collapsing to just 32% of the vote on the constituency vote, 27% on the list and just 48 seats. There would be a Unionist majority for the first time since 2007 with Labour second on 21 seats, Reform third on 20, the Tories on 16 and LDs on 13, giving 70 Unionist MSPs
interesting as that contradicts some of the recent MRPs
Yep, the thing we dont know is what happens to the Green constituency vote in polls where they are getting 6/7% (they are only standing in 6 constituencies)
Turnout will be lower that's for certain.
Interestingly Ladbrokes have an SNP constituency vote %, the bands are over 39.5% (4/5) and under 39.5% (evens) ... for me the buy is on the under band
MiC has only included Green candidates confirmed as standing
Powell is Deputy Leader, and that must count for something.
It's an interesting question as to who would step up to be interim PM in the event that Starmer resigns in the near future over the Mandelson vetting scandal. That's because Lammy the Deputy PM was the Foreign Secretary at the time, that is Ollie Robbins boss, and it's stretching credibility too far to think that he wasn't in the know if Starmer was.
We would then be in uncharted waters. There must be a path for Powell the Deputy Leader of the governing party to be next in line to assume the office of PM, on an interim basis pending an election. And there would be nothing to stop her putting her hat in the ring to carry on as PM, and with a bit of added credibility thanks to doing the job on an interim basis already, to end up being elected.
I'm sceptical as to whether any of that could really happen. But odds of 50/1 on Powell are enough to cover the chance that it just might. And they are certainly much better value odds than the 50/1 on Lammy!
New More in Common shock Holyrood poll has the SNP collapsing to just 32% of the vote on the constituency vote, 27% on the list and just 48 seats. There would be a Unionist majority for the first time since 2007 with Labour second on 21 seats, Reform third on 20, the Tories on 16 and LDs on 13, giving 70 Unionist MSPs
interesting as that contradicts some of the recent MRPs
Yep, the thing we dont know is what happens to the Green constituency vote in polls where they are getting 6/7% (they are only standing in 6 constituencies)
Turnout will be lower that's for certain.
Interestingly Ladbrokes have an SNP constituency vote %, the bands are over 39.5% (4/5) and under 39.5% (evens) ... for me the buy is on the under band
MiC has only included Green candidates confirmed as standing
In Barnes the three Green Party candidates forgot to include the party name on their nomination papers so they are standing as Independents (though the party logo will appear).
Powell is Deputy Leader, and that must count for something.
It's an interesting question as to who would step up to be interim PM in the event that Starmer resigns in the near future over the Mandelson vetting scandal. That's because Lammy the Deputy PM was the Foreign Secretary at the time, that is Ollie Robbins boss, and it's stretching credibility too far to think that he wasn't in the know if Starmer was.
We would then be in uncharted waters. There must be a path for Powell the Deputy Leader of the governing party to be next in line to assume the office of PM, on an interim basis pending an election. And there would be nothing to stop her putting her hat in the ring to carry on as PM, and with a bit of added credibility thanks to doing the job on an interim basis already, to end up being elected.
I'm sceptical as to whether any of that could really happen. But odds of 50/1 on Powell are enough to cover the chance that it just might. And they are certainly much better value odds than the 50/1 on Lammy!
This question often comes up and then the resigning PM always stays on after announcing their intention to resign while a permanent replacement is selected. If there's pressure for this to be done quickly it normally results in the process being curtailed by not having a contest.
Why do people expect it to be different, every time, and for there to be an interim PM?
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Looked it up, and apparently it would be up to the Cabinet "in consultation with the NEC", whatever that means. Probably someone who doesn't want the job permanently (anymore), like one Keir Starmer.
edit: Radio 4, that is
Tony Blair: "He kept himself to himself in the office. I just assumed he was a friend of Gordon's."
Can give Boris a run for his money on the lying front.
We are still some way from knowing the answers to these questions.
She's just come out and texted me:
"It is absolutely fucking magnificent."
https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2044695958546448793
After all, who else has career plans that need Starmer to go nowNowNOW?
Whilst Rayner and Burnham are off the pitch and the next generation are still too green?
Ambassador to the USA is a huge job
The Foreign Office had a successor ready to appoint, whom they then scuppered to anoint a man put forward by the PM
And they never bothered to tell the PM about the security vetting?
Heads must roll
https://x.com/TMZ/status/2044570256610357669#m
Wouldn't surprise.
Is someone inside the party trying to deliberately undermine the Labour election campaign? And is there enough time to oust him before summer recess if he manages to hang on until the May election results
"Since I have been manager, I am proud to say there have only been twenty-three deaths. And not one of them was a staff member."
“That was was the vetting procedure that her party put in place”
Nandy 85
Phillipson 60
Powell 50
Lammy 50
Surely better odds that Polanski (26)
+++betting post +++
... taking on the persona of @Leon and SAYING For What Is Is Worth, clearing throat deeply, and saying: I HAD DRINKS TONIGHT with someone who is absolutely steeped and totally in the Labour party and worked at top level for the biggest labour unions and their view is now:
Burnham.
I have upped my Burnham pot. This person is utterly and to their finger tips involved in day-to-day Labour and its ups and downs and candidates and election planning.
DYOR
And let us not forget that at one stage Starmer was implicitly blaming the vetting process for letting Mandelson through — ‘both due diligence and security vetting need to be looked at again,’ he said.
Turns out the vetting process did its job. And was overruled.
Sir Forensic Integrity following them wouldn’t
“I never turn on my staff”
“When they make mistakes, I carry the can”
Really? 🤔
https://x.com/kevinhollinrake/status/2044834901678010515?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
If your drinking partner is correct then it implies that Starmer remains in post indefinitely, as people wait impotently for Burnham to become an MP.
The real danger for Starmer is his cabinet does the same
This is DYOR time.
The unnerving bit was getting the finance together. And especially finding the money to pay for Sir Anthony Hopkin's not-insignificant fee.
Probably the sort of movie the BAFTA voters are going to love. Here's hoping!
That's pretty old by UK standards to be running for PM.
He had known on Tuesday
Doesn't mean this is all madness.
Had lost the confidence of the PM and the Foreign Secretary.
https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2044793769204105560?s=20
A long term lurker says they are going to have nightmares thanks to me, they just know they are going to have dreams in 4K about Sir Keir Starmer having an 'accident' with a vacuum cleaner.
Not that that would mean it was wrong automatically, but I'm wary of good news.
https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/2044897623685869692
Turnout will be lower that's for certain.
Interestingly Ladbrokes have an SNP constituency vote %, the bands are over 39.5% (4/5) and under 39.5% (evens) ... for me the buy is on the under band
“When they make mistakes, I carry the can”
We would then be in uncharted waters. There must be a path for Powell the Deputy Leader of the governing party to be next in line to assume the office of PM, on an interim basis pending an election. And there would be nothing to stop her putting her hat in the ring to carry on as PM, and with a bit of added credibility thanks to doing the job on an interim basis already, to end up being elected.
I'm sceptical as to whether any of that could really happen. But odds of 50/1 on Powell are enough to cover the chance that it just might. And they are certainly much better value odds than the 50/1 on Lammy!
Con Gain Cramlington SW on Northumberland UA from Reform
Why do people expect it to be different, every time, and for there to be an interim PM?