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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the GOP nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    People might love God.

    But they love being able to afford to fill up their pick-up truck.
    Swing voters maybe, conservative evangelicals though always put God and Israel and the Book of Revelation first
    Maslow's heirarchy of needs applies.
    For conservative evangelicals there is no need higher than eternal salvation with the God of Israel, even the end times are welcome if it brings that closer
  • HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the GOP nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    People might love God.

    But they love being able to afford to fill up their pick-up truck.
    Swing voters maybe, conservative evangelicals though always put God and Israel and the Book of Revelation first
    Maslow's heirarchy of needs applies.
    For conservative evangelicals there is no need higher than eternal salvation with the God of Israel, even the end times are welcome if it brings that closer
    The overwhelming majority of even conservative evangelicals aren't as fanatical as that.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,138
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the GOP nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    People might love God.

    But they love being able to afford to fill up their pick-up truck.
    Swing voters maybe, conservative evangelicals though always put God and Israel and the Book of Revelation first
    Maslow's heirarchy of needs applies.
    For conservative evangelicals there is no need higher than eternal salvation with the God of Israel, even the end times are welcome if it brings that closer
    From what I have heard they are a bunch of blasphemous heathens
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    Tisza now 138!

    72% counted
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    MikeL said:

    Tisza now 138!

    72% counted

    Remember as well this is almost an exact reversal of four years ago.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    Rory having as bad a day as Orban...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    NEW THREAD

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,813
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2043401320053252449

    NEW: Nigel Farage will tomorrow pledge a national inquiry into the ‘Boriswave’

    It would mainly investigate Boris Johnson and Priti Patel over migrants entering the UK between 2021-2024

    Party sources say the inquiry would consider “whether their gross negligence in office amounted to criminal conduct”

    Will the inquiry be led by Robert Jenrick?
    Interesting that he's going after Priti who, I thought, he had been quite friendly with. Weren't they seen dancing together? Her main crime is probably not following Suella, Nadhim and BobaJob into Reform.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    Farage even talking about prosecuting Boris will not help him win Con/Ref waverers.

    Whatever people think of Boris, very, very few people think he should be prosecuted.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,576
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Orban battered. Good news for the EU. Hopefully they'll kick Hungary out. Nobody wants another 15 years like that again. Maybe a good time for the UK to renue their membership?

    Errr..surely if they've got rid of Orban there is no need to kick Hungary out?

    If they were bothered about countries being run by Fascist crooks subverting the rules for their own ends both France and Luxembourg would have been out years ago.
    Orban has done so badly I can only assume Roger accidentally campaigned for him.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,138

    Rory having as bad a day as Orban...

    His short game and putting is abysmal

    You drive for show and put for dough
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    MikeL said:

    Tisza now 138!

    72% counted

    They are level with Fidesz on the proportional vote, 43 seats each, a balancing system for which the votes needed to win constituencies are subtracted. Says something about the size of the majorities that Tisza's excess votes from winning most constituencies are on a par with Fidesz's from winning very few.

    Let's just say Labour would have been heavily mullered on the proportional vote in that system.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited April 12

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    “If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime”

    Classic @HYUFD
    Say what you like about George W Bush, at least he sent in the troops to remove all the leaders of the nations he invaded unlike Trump!
    It is the only thing Trump has done right in this debacle
    So gays will still be hanged and women oppressed because Trump is too cowardly to remove the Iranian regime. He started an action he didn't have the guts to finish
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,504
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    A significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Jew.

    Which might explain the hostility to Zelensky.

    Although another significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Muslim.
    No, they hate Zelensky because he wouldn't frame Hunter Biden. Hundreds of thousands have died because of that piece of integrity.
    There was no need to frame Hunter Biden as he was already a career criminal.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    But that core is shrinking fast and there’s a whole new cohort of younger republicans who are critical of Israel and some who are violently anti semitic

    So Israel’s base of support in the USA is already dwindled on the left and is now briskly dwindling on the right

    And imagine this scenario, which is now unfortunately likely. The Iran war continues and it goes bad for the world and for Trump and the GOP. Inflation rockets and gas doubles in price. The midterms are lost big time

    Who will republicans blame? Israel. For dragging America into this stupid war - Vance has already been to Jerusalem to shout loudly and angrily at Netanyahu

    By 2028 the American right might be even more furious at Israel
    23% of Americans are conservative evangelicals and they voted 82% for Trump in 2024, they will remain far more significant to the GOP for at least the next decade or two than younger Republicans given Trump lost most US voters under 40 to Harris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Opinion_polling_and_forecasts

    If the Iran war is going badly it is because Trump is not following Israel enough, sending in ground troops to remove the Iranian regime, so as a result he has a half way house of strikes and blockades which keep oil prices high but the regime still in place.

    Conservative evangelicals won't blame Israel and without the conservative evangelical vote Roman Catholic Vance can't get the GOP nomination, even if he needs to distance himself from them to win more Israel sceptic swing voters in the general election
    People might love God.

    But they love being able to afford to fill up their pick-up truck.
    Swing voters maybe, conservative evangelicals though always put God and Israel and the Book of Revelation first
    Maslow's heirarchy of needs applies.
    For conservative evangelicals there is no need higher than eternal salvation with the God of Israel, even the end times are welcome if it brings that closer
    The overwhelming majority of even conservative evangelicals aren't as fanatical as that.
    In the US they are
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,504
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    How does Trump possibly hope to win the midterms if gas is ninety five dollars a pint and US inflation hits 10%?

    He can’t. He and the GOP will be crushed. He’s probably fucked it already

    Plus, I predict the next POTUS - whether Dem or Rep - will be quite seriously critical of Israel, indeed they might cut Israel adrift. The polling all points that way, and it can’t be ignored forever. The Dems are already anti Israel in large part and someone like Vance, an isolationist, will think “fuck Israel”

    So this war is a catastrophe for Jerusalem as well

    A Dem President from 2029 would likely be more critical of Israel, a GOP President wouldn't to any significant degree.

    Conservative evangelicals are fanatically pro Israel in the USA, even more than US Jews and conservative evangelicals are the GOP core vote now.
    A significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Jew.

    Which might explain the hostility to Zelensky.

    Although another significant proportion of MAGA / alt-right is anti-Muslim.
    The latter is far more significant in the GOP than the former now, driven by conservative evangelicals and white nationalists (the fact Putin is also a white nationalist though is why they are less keen on Zelensky than Netanyahu)
    Putin is not a white nationalist.

    He's been encouraging illegal third world migration to Europe for years.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,784
    edited April 12
    Wrong thread.
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