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  • TazTaz Posts: 26,021
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    Do nuclear fusion and quantum computing not both require massive amounts of energy?

    The single biggest thing the government could be doing right now is lowering the price of energy, but instead there’s Ed Miliband.
    Err. It is Trump that is putting up the price of energy if you hadn't noticed.
    Good point because our energy was soooooooo cheap prior to the 28th February.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,092
    Thinking is woke.

    Socrates in 460 BC: “The unexamined life is not worth living.”

    Marcus Aurelius in 150 CE: “You have power over your mind—not outside events.”

    Augustine of Hippo in 400 CE: “Do not go outside; return into yourself. In the inward man dwells the truth.”

    Marc Andreessen in 2026:

    https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/2033643240600097048?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,404
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    As the article notes one of the attractions abroad is tax breaks. Here, Reeves thinks the government spending more money is the solution. It is the problem in a nutshell.
    She also thinks the EU is the key to our well being. Though how taking on an additional 19000 pieces of regulation is going to help escapes me.

    The woman couldnt spell IQ
    To simplify, British companies currently have to follow 19000 pieces of UK regulation, but if they then want expand into Europe, they have to follow another 19000 pieces of EU regulation. Better then to just align the regulation, so there’s only one set of regulations.
    Regularity alignment would simply force us to be as uncompetitive as the EU. I grant you we're currently there anyway, but there's always a chance of a Government coming in that actually wants the country to succeed.
    Signing up to unknown future EU legislation is absolutely the worst possible option, because every single piece of it will be framed inside the EU as “how we can we use this new law to screw the British?”

    Meanwhile most of the British political class will enjoy being screwed, because to them more EU is ideology over pragmatism.
    Quite. If something is harmful to the UK but beneficial to the EU, we have a willing fifth column that will sign us up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,732
    edited 7:47AM
    Taz said:
    Tories now down 2% and tied with Labour for 3rd below the Greens on 19% as Reform are up 2% to 25%.

    Though Yougov have the Greens now higher than any other pollster except FindOutNow and Reform still lower than any other pollster
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,224
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    Do nuclear fusion and quantum computing not both require massive amounts of energy?

    The single biggest thing the government could be doing right now is lowering the price of energy, but instead there’s Ed Miliband.
    No.

    You could run some quantum systems off your household mains.

    The funding for fusion is aimed at a prototype plant which will be a net generator of electricity.

    Milliband (along with, in a smaller way, our own SandyRentool) is a separate problem.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,877
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,912

    Thinking is woke.

    Socrates in 460 BC: “The unexamined life is not worth living.”

    Marcus Aurelius in 150 CE: “You have power over your mind—not outside events.”

    Augustine of Hippo in 400 CE: “Do not go outside; return into yourself. In the inward man dwells the truth.”

    Marc Andreessen in 2026:

    https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/2033643240600097048?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    And did any of those first 3 build a Walmart? I think not.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,119
    Taz said:

    MelonB said:

    Without wishing to come over all @Mexicanpete , I’ve woken every day in the last week to the BBC Today top headline starting with “President Trump had said that”. Twice it’s been “President Trump has criticised allies including the UK”.

    The British media is obsessed with every utterance of that man. Can’t they report on the actual events rather than that twat’s random comments on them?

    So a bit like PB then.
    I don't think the media is obsessed with every utterance of PB. If they were they woudln't make so many stupid mistakes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,119

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
    Lincoln's ghost is probably quite relieved there's finally a President who is (a) uglier and (b) more openly authoritarian than he was.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,877
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,021
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    Do nuclear fusion and quantum computing not both require massive amounts of energy?

    The single biggest thing the government could be doing right now is lowering the price of energy, but instead there’s Ed Miliband.
    Meanwhile in France


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,562
    DavidL said:

    Thinking is woke.

    Socrates in 460 BC: “The unexamined life is not worth living.”

    Marcus Aurelius in 150 CE: “You have power over your mind—not outside events.”

    Augustine of Hippo in 400 CE: “Do not go outside; return into yourself. In the inward man dwells the truth.”

    Marc Andreessen in 2026:

    https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/2033643240600097048?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    And did any of those first 3 build a Walmart? I think not.
    Socrates played in a World Cup team.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,732
    edited 7:54AM

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Cameron's father was a stockbroker who could afford to send him to Eton, he was the wealthiest PM by upbringing we have had since Douglas Home and firmly upper class, even if not aristocracy like Home.

    Blair's father was a university law lecturer but not as wealthy as Cameron's father, even if Fettes was the Scottish Eton is was also still not quite Eton. Cameron's mother was landed gentry whose father was a knight of the realm. Cameron also has an ancestor who was an illegitimate child of William IV
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,712
    edited 7:51AM
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    Do nuclear fusion and quantum computing not both require massive amounts of energy?

    The single biggest thing the government could be doing right now is lowering the price of energy, but instead there’s Ed Miliband.
    But that's why the proliferation of renewables does not necessarily mean lower prices. It depends on the shape of the demand curve. There's a good chance all of the excess energy will just get eaten up by AI.

    It's a bit like building more homes. A good thing in almost all cases, but some of us (me) think it will only have a marginal impact on the main issue - renters being unable to get on the housing ladder.

    (I'd drop the Miliband thing, at least until the end of the latest fossil fuel crisis. I thought Ukraine would have been enough to settle this argument, but even closure of Hormuz isn't enough to shift the dogma. I'm glad the government had removed the levies on electricity- it was mad to punish those who have made the shift to the more secure energy source.)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,875

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
    Are we totally sure that it was an American President who Trump was citing?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,224
    .

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
    More likely he just had a word with the 45th President.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,905
    Nigelb said:

    MelonB said:

    Without wishing to come over all @Mexicanpete , I’ve woken every day in the last week to the BBC Today top headline starting with “President Trump had said that”. Twice it’s been “President Trump has criticised allies including the UK”.

    The British media is obsessed with every utterance of that man. Can’t they report on the actual events rather than that twat’s random comments on them?

    What makes it worse is that they translate his gibberish into something approximating coherence.
    I sense the Beeb has got materially worse on that score since he gave them a scare with his law suit threat.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,119
    DavidL said:

    Thinking is woke.

    Socrates in 460 BC: “The unexamined life is not worth living.”

    Marcus Aurelius in 150 CE: “You have power over your mind—not outside events.”

    Augustine of Hippo in 400 CE: “Do not go outside; return into yourself. In the inward man dwells the truth.”

    Marc Andreessen in 2026:

    https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/2033643240600097048?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    And did any of those first 3 build a Walmart? I think not.
    And that Asda be the benchmark.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,119
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
    More likely he just had a word with the 45th President.
    He's got dementia not schizophrenia.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,224
    edited 7:55AM
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    Do nuclear fusion and quantum computing not both require massive amounts of energy?

    The single biggest thing the government could be doing right now is lowering the price of energy, but instead there’s Ed Miliband.
    Meanwhile in France


    Yes, a European example we should emulate.
    The government has made small steps in that direction*, but could go a great deal more.

    *It is doing more (though not enough) to lift the burden of nuclear regulation than any UK government in the last three decades.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,500

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Bullingdon Boys are NOT Middle class!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,732
    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Cameron's father was a stockbroker who could afford to send him to Eton, he was the wealthiest PM by upbringing we have had since Douglas Home and firmly upper class, even if not aristocracy like Home.

    Blair's father was a university law lecturer but not as wealthy as Cameron's father, even if Fettes was the Scottish Eton is was also still not quite Eton. Cameron's mother was landed gentry whose father was a knight of the realm. Cameron also has an ancestor who was an illegitimate child of William IV
    Truss' father was a maths academic at Leeds Uni who sent her to the local comp, which she has whinged about ever since
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,119
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Bullingdon Boys are NOT Middle class!

    They have no class at all.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 443

    Dura_Ace said:

    Starmer is up for the Hormuz Freedom Flotilla according to Axios.

    https://www.axios.com/2026/03/17/strait-hormuz-iran-blockade-oil-trump-coalition

    He really needs France involved to provide combat mass and political cover if it all goes to shit. Maybe he's desperate enough for DJT's approval to do it without France. Who knows?

    I'm getting a sinking feeling about this.
    Unfortunate choice of phrase....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,912
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
    More likely he just had a word with the 45th President.
    More likely is that he is a pathological liar who was lying again.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,119
    scampi25 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Starmer is up for the Hormuz Freedom Flotilla according to Axios.

    https://www.axios.com/2026/03/17/strait-hormuz-iran-blockade-oil-trump-coalition

    He really needs France involved to provide combat mass and political cover if it all goes to shit. Maybe he's desperate enough for DJT's approval to do it without France. Who knows?

    I'm getting a sinking feeling about this.
    Unfortunate choice of phrase....
    I assumed it was deliberate. But my conclusion isn't watertight.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,732
    'British holidaymakers are rebooking Easter trips away from Dubai due to the war in neighbouring Iran, causing a spike in demand for "reassuring" destinations, travel firms have told the BBC.

    There is mass disruption to passenger flights across the Middle East and warnings not to travel to large parts of the region or the United Arab Emirates.

    This has sparked a sharp slowdown in holiday bookings there - as well as countries close to Iran, such as Turkey, Cyprus and Egypt, travel firms said.

    Meanwhile, bookings are up in Portugal, Italy and Spain as well as the Caribbean, Mauritius and the US as some airports report flights filling up faster than last year.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm21gv3133zo
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 443
    I'd happily return to the EU preferably with the Euro but I fear the half in half out options as the members will always put their interests first, naturally. It's a difficult circle to square.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,877
    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Cameron's father was a stockbroker who could afford to send him to Eton, he was the wealthiest PM by upbringing we have had since Douglas Home and firmly upper class, even if not aristocracy like Home.

    Blair's father was a university law lecturer but not as wealthy as Cameron's father, even if Fettes was the Scottish Eton is was also still not quite Eton. Cameron's mother was landed gentry whose father was a knight of the realm. Cameron also has an ancestor who was an illegitimate child of William IV
    As I said: solidly lower upper middle class. A well off professional (Eton wasn’t that expensive in those days). Stockbrokers are very comfortable but are not “wealthy”. Grew up in a nice village house in north Hampshire iirc

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,333
    scampi25 said:

    I'd happily return to the EU preferably with the Euro but I fear the half in half out options as the members will always put their interests first, naturally. It's a difficult circle to square.

    The death of cash (and the death of leavers) makes the Euro a non-issue. It's just a number in your phone. Who gives a fuck?
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,176
    edited 8:04AM
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    Do nuclear fusion and quantum computing not both require massive amounts of energy?

    The single biggest thing the government could be doing right now is lowering the price of energy, but instead there’s Ed Miliband.
    Meanwhile in France


    Yes, a European example we should emulate.
    The government has made small steps in that direction*, but could go a great deal more.

    *It is doing more (though not enough) to lift the burden of nuclear regulation than any UK government in the last three decades.
    I'm not against nuclear power, but I'd have thought that renewables + storage + infrastructure is probably a better investment these days given how much cheaper they have become and the time scales involved.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,500
    HYUFD said:

    'British holidaymakers are rebooking Easter trips away from Dubai due to the war in neighbouring Iran, causing a spike in demand for "reassuring" destinations, travel firms have told the BBC.

    There is mass disruption to passenger flights across the Middle East and warnings not to travel to large parts of the region or the United Arab Emirates.

    This has sparked a sharp slowdown in holiday bookings there - as well as countries close to Iran, such as Turkey, Cyprus and Egypt, travel firms said.

    Meanwhile, bookings are up in Portugal, Italy and Spain as well as the Caribbean, Mauritius and the US as some airports report flights filling up faster than last year.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm21gv3133zo

    God forbid they could decide to holiday at home.

    Thankfully I've some Swedes and Germans coming to stay in glorious Devon properties I co-own.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,505
    edited 8:04AM
    Fun fact. The Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 governs bank holidays but not Christmas Day and Good Friday, which are common law holidays.

    Bloody activist judges.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,562
    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Cameron's father was a stockbroker who could afford to send him to Eton, he was the wealthiest PM by upbringing we have had since Douglas Home and firmly upper class, even if not aristocracy like Home.

    Blair's father was a university law lecturer but not as wealthy as Cameron's father, even if Fettes was the Scottish Eton is was also still not quite Eton. Cameron's mother was landed gentry whose father was a knight of the realm. Cameron also has an ancestor who was an illegitimate child of William IV
    Some of you need to give your heads a wobble. Nearly all our Prime Ministers have come from a wealthy background. Some maybe merely top 10% by income, some top 0.01%, but nearly all wealthy by any reasonable measure.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,694
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
    Lincoln's ghost is probably quite relieved there's finally a President who is (a) uglier and (b) more openly authoritarian than he was.
    To be fair, he was fighting a civil war that killed 2% of the population...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,877
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Bullingdon Boys are NOT Middle class!

    Bullingdon Boys are twats with too much cash. That’s very middle class.

    (I was a Stoic and thought about becoming a member of the Gridiron).

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,877
    scampi25 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Starmer is up for the Hormuz Freedom Flotilla according to Axios.

    https://www.axios.com/2026/03/17/strait-hormuz-iran-blockade-oil-trump-coalition

    He really needs France involved to provide combat mass and political cover if it all goes to shit. Maybe he's desperate enough for DJT's approval to do it without France. Who knows?

    I'm getting a sinking feeling about this.
    Unfortunate choice of phrase....
    Deliberate one suspects. Deserved more applause than it got
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,694
    Taz said:

    MelonB said:

    Without wishing to come over all @Mexicanpete , I’ve woken every day in the last week to the BBC Today top headline starting with “President Trump had said that”. Twice it’s been “President Trump has criticised allies including the UK”.

    The British media is obsessed with every utterance of that man. Can’t they report on the actual events rather than that twat’s random comments on them?

    So a bit like PB then.
    Yebbut - pb.com is free.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,057
    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    The government announcing funding and funding actually happening are not the same thing:

    A Guardian investigation has examined a series of massive AI investments announced by the government over the past two years, comparing what was promised with what has so far been delivered.

    The investigation centres on two companies backed by the chipmaker Nvidia and central to the UK’s AI plans, Nscale and CoreWeave.

    It has found that large, promised sums do not represent real investments into the UK’s economy, that new datacentres are not in fact new, and that a giant supercomputer set to be online later this year is still being used by a construction company in Essex.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/09/key-takeaways-on-ai-phantom-investments-uk
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,732
    edited 8:14AM
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Cameron's father was a stockbroker who could afford to send him to Eton, he was the wealthiest PM by upbringing we have had since Douglas Home and firmly upper class, even if not aristocracy like Home.

    Blair's father was a university law lecturer but not as wealthy as Cameron's father, even if Fettes was the Scottish Eton is was also still not quite Eton. Cameron's mother was landed gentry whose father was a knight of the realm. Cameron also has an ancestor who was an illegitimate child of William IV
    Some of you need to give your heads a wobble. Nearly all our Prime Ministers have come from a wealthy background. Some maybe merely top 10% by income, some top 0.01%, but nearly all wealthy by any reasonable measure.
    Major's wasn't and certainly not in the top 10% of families by income, Heath's wasn't, Macdonald's wasn't, Callaghan's wasn't, Lloyd George likely wasn't, Wilson's father was unemployed for years. Even May and Brown were probably not in the top 10% of families by income as their father's were priests, although they had social status. Nor most probably was Starmer, his father was a toolmaker as he reminds us regularly
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,589
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    The government just announced billions of new funding for both fusion and quantum computing.
    Which sounds fairly positive on that score.
    Do nuclear fusion and quantum computing not both require massive amounts of energy?

    The single biggest thing the government could be doing right now is lowering the price of energy, but instead there’s Ed Miliband.
    Meanwhile in France


    The cheapest energy available at the moment is probably a massive interconnect to France and buy EDF’s nuclear.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,119

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    "This war was started by BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOE BIDEN and we've been fighting it for 47 years.."
    https://x.com/krishnanrohit/status/2033646620462747769

    Madder than Mad Jack McUtterlydemented.

    I think that's a fake one.
    Sounds as though he's been talking to himself, then.

    After President Trump claimed to reporters twice today that he had recently spoken to a former president who praised his actions in Iran, saying: “I wish I did what you did.” Aides to all four living presidents, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, have issued statements to CNN, saying there is no record of any communications between them and President Trump.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2033684880815456366

    "Sir, you are the GREATEST President.."
    He will probably claim he was communing with the ghost of Abraham Lincoln who called to congratulate him on being the bestest president EVAH!
    Lincoln's ghost is probably quite relieved there's finally a President who is (a) uglier and (b) more openly authoritarian than he was.
    To be fair, he was fighting a civil war that killed 2% of the population...
    Give Trump time...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,896

    NEW THREAD

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,057
    edited 8:13AM
    Is anyone else getting numerous adverts about prisons and prison officers from the Ministry of Justice on their YouTube ?

    I was under the impression that the prison system was short of money.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,569
    The Chris Hodges Report with guest Yanis Veroufakis -Thump's done an Icarus.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPhV5bc8d6Q

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,310
    edited 8:22AM
    There’s an emotional attachment to the pound which means it would be a very hard sell to get the UK to ditch that in favour of the EU .

    Aswell as that a one size fits all approach limits the ability of governments to deal with shocks . Of course on the other hand the UKs cost of borrowing would fall if we were in the Euro .

    We have to accept that the UK had the best deal when we were in the EU .

    The public aren’t great with grey areas , moving to the Euro is a can you can kick down the road almost indefinitely ,if the UK did rejoin the EU it could do that but any campaign would see that issue front and centre and parties opposed to re-joining would say we’d have to take up the Euro quickly .

    Realistically it’s EEA membership that might be the answer. So in the single market but not in the CU which still allows for your own trade deals and not in the Euro.

    It might be that we see this “ Hail Mary “ if Labours polling remains poor .

    There’d be nothing to lose at that point and a manifesto with single market membership could promise alot of goodies.

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,526

    Is anyone else getting numerous adverts about prisons and prison officers from the Ministry of Justice on their YouTube ?

    I was under the impression that the prison system was short of money.

    It's also short of prison officers
    I knew someone who became a PO after leaving the Navy, post the Grayling cuts it became intolerable, ratio of 3 POs to 50 prisoners. The career path was trainee, qualified PO, nervous breakdown and paid off, all completed within 3-4 years.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,569
    Micro-penis Mark Levin is a real piece of work says Megyn Kelly.......(you couldn't make it up)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYvMm5v1Qj4
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,001
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
    When was the last PM born to wealth?

    Sunak married wealth but his family were solid middle class professionals (doctors I think). Cameron’s Dad was a stockbroker

    No idea about Truss. May and Brown were children of the manse. Blair not sure about. Major was working class and Thatcher middle class.
    Cameron!
    Solidly middle class (perhaps lower upper middle class). He married Samantha Sheffield which is where his money came from
    Cameron's father was a stockbroker who could afford to send him to Eton, he was the wealthiest PM by upbringing we have had since Douglas Home and firmly upper class, even if not aristocracy like Home.

    Blair's father was a university law lecturer but not as wealthy as Cameron's father, even if Fettes was the Scottish Eton is was also still not quite Eton. Cameron's mother was landed gentry whose father was a knight of the realm. Cameron also has an ancestor who was an illegitimate child of William IV
    Truss' father was a maths academic at Leeds Uni who sent her to the local comp, which she has whinged about ever since
    Not as much as the local comp has whinged about her being there!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,466

    Huzzah.

    End of the line for supermarket barcodes

    Tesco and other retailers are trialling new system letting shoppers use QR codes


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/03/15/supermarkets-could-replace-barcodes-for-qr-codes/

    The real reason is hidden in the article - the QR codes scan with less errors. Making automated checkouts and apps more accurate and requiring less staff effort.
    Fewer…
    Less effort. Effort is an uncountable.
    If I’d put the effort in I wouldn’t have made that error
    [Roman Centurion voice]
    Always "less" with uncountable or mass nouns!
    “Errors” is neither an uncountable or a mass noun.
    Earth to @StillWaters, "Effort" is the noun in question. (see above)
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,704

    DavidL said:

    Reeves says she will stop UK Tech drifting abroad.

    So that's another piece of national prosperity fked

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k16zdr1r1o

    As the article notes one of the attractions abroad is tax breaks. Here, Reeves thinks the government spending more money is the solution. It is the problem in a nutshell.
    She also thinks the EU is the key to our well being. Though how taking on an additional 19000 pieces of regulation is going to help escapes me.

    The woman couldnt spell IQ
    To simplify, British companies currently have to follow 19000 pieces of UK regulation, but if they then want expand into Europe, they have to follow another 19000 pieces of EU regulation. Better then to just align the regulation, so there’s only one set of regulations.
    I have this T-shirt, you don't need dynamic alignment. You set up a production line, with the appropriate certification, and price accordingly to cover costs. You do have to either be specialist or have the volumes from the EU to justify the costs. Ditto selling to Japan, the Middle East. And you can forget the US as you'll get shafted at the first chance. And people think China are the rip off merchants.
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