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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,463

    Everything is absolutely fine...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    TRUMP IN ONE SINGLE EVENT

    -- "They won't be there for us"
    -- "We have some that are really enthusiastic. They're coming already."
    -- "This isn't 'need'"
    -- "If we need anything, they should be jumping to help us"
    -- "We want them to come and help us with the strait"
    -- My attitude is we don't need anybody"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033636307692322976

    And he wants us more than needs us ...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,625

    Starmer is less unpopular than Sunak was at this point in his premiership. Just.

    Last day you can make the comparison, too
    Then just under a month to overtake Eden.

    After that, there are a bunch of pub names (kudos to whoever first made that observation), before a cluster of modern PMs who lasted just under or over three years; Brown, Chamberlian, May, Callaghan and Johnson. Failures, yes, but not abject failures. I wonder if Starmer can make it into that elevated group?
    If he survives Mandelson and Mays elections he will be with us till the GE imo, but I think he goes after May
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,108

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    Question about the Assisted Dying Bill and it being timed out by a session ending.

    If a bill is being talked out by the lords, as may be happening now, why doesn't the government just extend the parliamentary session until the stages are complete? SFAICS the only compulsory end to a parliamentary session is the five year rule for automatic dissolution.

    Just bring it back identical in next session and pass it with the Parliament Act.

    Bypass the unelected House.
    Then it's no longer a private member's bill, perhaps? Is that right?

    At which point the question of why it wasn't in Labour's manifesto arises.
    Why?

    If a PMB passes, identically, again then that is valid for the Parliament Act.

    The Parliament Act says nothing about manifestos.
    I posted this a few weeks ago, it barely passed in the Commons, if it comes back it won't be passed.
    I hope you're wrong.

    And if you are, the Parliament Act should be invoked if its terms have been met.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,477

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    Question about the Assisted Dying Bill and it being timed out by a session ending.

    If a bill is being talked out by the lords, as may be happening now, why doesn't the government just extend the parliamentary session until the stages are complete? SFAICS the only compulsory end to a parliamentary session is the five year rule for automatic dissolution.

    Just bring it back identical in next session and pass it with the Parliament Act.

    Bypass the unelected House.
    Then it's no longer a private member's bill, perhaps? Is that right?

    At which point the question of why it wasn't in Labour's manifesto arises.
    Why?

    If a PMB passes, identically, again then that is valid for the Parliament Act.

    The Parliament Act says nothing about manifestos.
    Convention says fundamental changes to the contract between state and individual ought to be in manifestos. Convention also says (as far as I recall) that use of the parliament act should be for things which were in manifestos only.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,868

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    I have been my whole adult life

    I was quite comfortable as a child; my folks worked hard and made sure that they could support our little family

    They were poor when I was born, but got gradually better off. I'm sure that there were times when money was tight, but we never sat down to discuss the household bills around the kitchen table

    Maybe Keir had a huge phone bill and used too much heating and electricity, so needed a talking to.. but why else would you include your children in the household bills discussion?
    I think its perfectly normal for kids to overhear their parents talking about there being too much month at the end of their money.
    And from what we know of Starmer's youth (not a bundle of laughs), it wouldn't be shocking to know that he was more aware of the financial pinch than many of his contemporaries, let alone young people of the same age today. The past, as they say, is another country, and one that most people are happy to have left behind.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,456

    Starmer is less unpopular than Sunak was at this point in his premiership. Just.

    You're missing the woods for the trees.

    One was leading a government nearly 14 years in power, the other has been in power than fewer than 2 years.
    Less than.
    He also added a redundant "than".
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,083
    edited 9:27PM

    Everything is absolutely fine...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    TRUMP IN ONE SINGLE EVENT

    -- "They won't be there for us"
    -- "We have some that are really enthusiastic. They're coming already."
    -- "This isn't 'need'"
    -- "If we need anything, they should be jumping to help us"
    -- "We want them to come and help us with the strait"
    -- My attitude is we don't need anybody"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033636307692322976

    Not to mention blurting out that a GOP congressman has a terminal illness which will kill him by June.
    I’m no fan of Trump but, oh yeah, that’s right, I’m no fan of Trump because he’s a gross, lying, demented arsehole leaking metaphorical and literal shit.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,800
    MelonB said:

    Nigelb said:

    MelonB said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    The half a million strong anti-Orban march that took place yesterday in Hungary
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2033475863354736927

    Damn.
    That's bigger than Trump's inauguration.

    Hoping it's goodbye to him next month.
    I think Orban does well with the Hungarian diaspora vote, particularly in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia. Hungary is like Russia in its desire to expand its borders, and Orban plays this tune to the diaspora voters. They can have their nationalist cake, and eat it.
    Yes, and it seems highly likely Orban will win again, without needing much vote rigging. He’s like Erdogan or Modi: loathed by many but genuinely popular among others.
    That's really not what the polls say.
    My confident prediction is a comfortable win for Orban. I’d love to be wrong.
    Orban is 2.62 on Betfair.
    Magyar is 1.63.
    Punters disagree with you.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,258
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033650478601380029

    Trump: "I do believe I'll be having the honor of taking Cuba. That's a big honor. Taking Cuba in some form. I think I can do anything I want with it, if you want to know the truth."
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,108
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    Question about the Assisted Dying Bill and it being timed out by a session ending.

    If a bill is being talked out by the lords, as may be happening now, why doesn't the government just extend the parliamentary session until the stages are complete? SFAICS the only compulsory end to a parliamentary session is the five year rule for automatic dissolution.

    Just bring it back identical in next session and pass it with the Parliament Act.

    Bypass the unelected House.
    Then it's no longer a private member's bill, perhaps? Is that right?

    At which point the question of why it wasn't in Labour's manifesto arises.
    Why?

    If a PMB passes, identically, again then that is valid for the Parliament Act.

    The Parliament Act says nothing about manifestos.
    Convention says fundamental changes to the contract between state and individual ought to be in manifestos. Convention also says (as far as I recall) that use of the parliament act should be for things which were in manifestos only.
    If its in the manifesto then the Salisbury Convention applies and the Parliament Act should not be required.

    As far as I am aware the Parliament Act has been invoked twice to pass non-manifesto bills: the Parliament Act itself 1949 (passed using the 1911 Act, no manifesto) and the War Crimes Act 1991.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141
    edited 9:26PM
    Sadiq Khan just hosted the biggest "Iftar" in the western world, if not the universe. In Trafalgar Square. I hope I am not breaking the government;s new "Muslim hate" laws by saying I do not like this, I do not want this, and I seek the reversal of this

    "It doesn’t sit well with me to see Sadiq Khan say that “we think we’re going to break the record for the biggest Iftar, not just in Britain, not just in Europe but in the Western world.”

    Ever since Jim Ratcliffe’s comments, I’m yet to see him proved wrong."

    https://x.com/ArchRose90/status/2033646861605642513?s=20
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,477

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    Question about the Assisted Dying Bill and it being timed out by a session ending.

    If a bill is being talked out by the lords, as may be happening now, why doesn't the government just extend the parliamentary session until the stages are complete? SFAICS the only compulsory end to a parliamentary session is the five year rule for automatic dissolution.

    Just bring it back identical in next session and pass it with the Parliament Act.

    Bypass the unelected House.
    Then it's no longer a private member's bill, perhaps? Is that right?

    At which point the question of why it wasn't in Labour's manifesto arises.
    Why?

    If a PMB passes, identically, again then that is valid for the Parliament Act.

    The Parliament Act says nothing about manifestos.
    Convention says fundamental changes to the contract between state and individual ought to be in manifestos. Convention also says (as far as I recall) that use of the parliament act should be for things which were in manifestos only.
    If its in the manifesto then the Salisbury Convention applies and the Parliament Act should not be required.

    As far as I am aware the Parliament Act has been invoked twice to pass non-manifesto bills: the Parliament Act itself 1949 (passed using the 1911 Act, no manifesto) and the War Crimes Act 1991.
    Thanks.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,543

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033650478601380029

    Trump: "I do believe I'll be having the honor of taking Cuba. That's a big honor. Taking Cuba in some form. I think I can do anything I want with it, if you want to know the truth."

    Has he decided if he wants any help with that one yet?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,876
    From the FT, a novel approach to applying pressure to the Iranian regime. No one in that Gulf can ship oil except Iran...

    Iran is likely to be earning more than $140mn a day from selling oil as prices surge and the US turns a blind eye to its shipments to avoid further destabilising crude markets that have been shaken by the conflict.

    At least 13 supertankers have loaded crude at the country’s main export terminal on Kharg Island since the US and Israel began strikes on the country at the end of last month, according to analysts tracking Iranian shipments through satellite imagery.

    About 24mn barrels of Iranian oil have passed through the Strait of Hormuz in that period, according to Kpler, a data firm. Iran has in effect closed the waterway, through which about 20 per cent of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas is normally transported, to all other shipping by firing at tankers in the Gulf.
  • Starmer is less unpopular than Sunak was at this point in his premiership. Just.

    You're missing the woods for the trees.

    One was leading a government nearly 14 years in power, the other has been in power than fewer than 2 years.
    And how are you?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,108
    Ratters said:

    From the FT, a novel approach to applying pressure to the Iranian regime. No one in that Gulf can ship oil except Iran...

    Iran is likely to be earning more than $140mn a day from selling oil as prices surge and the US turns a blind eye to its shipments to avoid further destabilising crude markets that have been shaken by the conflict.

    At least 13 supertankers have loaded crude at the country’s main export terminal on Kharg Island since the US and Israel began strikes on the country at the end of last month, according to analysts tracking Iranian shipments through satellite imagery.

    About 24mn barrels of Iranian oil have passed through the Strait of Hormuz in that period, according to Kpler, a data firm. Iran has in effect closed the waterway, through which about 20 per cent of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas is normally transported, to all other shipping by firing at tankers in the Gulf.

    Utter insanity.

    These muppets don't have a clue what they are doing.

    With apologies to Kermit et al for the comparison.
  • Starmer is less unpopular than Sunak was at this point in his premiership. Just.

    Last day you can make the comparison, too
    Then just under a month to overtake Eden.

    After that, there are a bunch of pub names (kudos to whoever first made that observation), before a cluster of modern PMs who lasted just under or over three years; Brown, Chamberlian, May, Callaghan and Johnson. Failures, yes, but not abject failures. I wonder if Starmer can make it into that elevated group?
    If he survives Mandelson and Mays elections he will be with us till the GE imo, but I think he goes after May
    I don’t think there’s any chance he fights the next election. He’ll resign long before because he won’t want to fight again. I know PB hates him but he’s not stupid.

    However if he’s challenged he’ll fight on.

    But I think he’ll resign of his own volition. But I am unconvinced that is 2026. I think a better chance is his popularity recovers some, economy turns around and he goes 2028. Replacement does a Carney and Labour wins again (small majority or minority government).

    I fancy John Healey.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,492

    Why has no journalist ever asked for more details on his made up family kitchen table chats about bills?

    What did his tool factory owner and nurse parents tell him? What was he denied by their abject poverty?

    He knows what it was like to sit around the kitchen table when the bills came in

    What the actual fuck does that mean?!

    I think it means being around the kitchen table when the bills come in.

    You never been in a position where you are struggling to make ends meet? Most families probably have.
    Starmer has been very open about his childhood

    A very sick and ill mother.

    A very sick and Ill brother

    Maybe his dad lent in him for moral support.

    Why the cynicism.

    He certainly wasn't born in to wealth like many PMs
  • Reform has now attacked the pollsters and has moved onto attacking the media.

    They peaked way too early (as I said at the time) and they are currently speedrunning a collapse.

    Tories or Labour lead a single poll by the end of the year.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,800
    edited 9:36PM
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    Question about the Assisted Dying Bill and it being timed out by a session ending.

    If a bill is being talked out by the lords, as may be happening now, why doesn't the government just extend the parliamentary session until the stages are complete? SFAICS the only compulsory end to a parliamentary session is the five year rule for automatic dissolution.

    Just bring it back identical in next session and pass it with the Parliament Act.

    Bypass the unelected House.
    Then it's no longer a private member's bill, perhaps? Is that right?

    At which point the question of why it wasn't in Labour's manifesto arises.
    Why?

    If a PMB passes, identically, again then that is valid for the Parliament Act.

    The Parliament Act says nothing about manifestos.
    Convention says fundamental changes to the contract between state and individual ought to be in manifestos. Convention also says (as far as I recall) that use of the parliament act should be for things which were in manifestos only.
    It is not true that the Parliament Act can only be used for manifesto items.
    The convention you are recalling—the Salisbury Convention—states that the House of Lords should not block or wreck legislation that was promised in the governing party's election manifesto.
    Although the Lords can block legislation that was not in the manifesto, the Parliament Act can be used to overcome it.

    EDIT Bart beat me to it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141
    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,258
    Official confirmation that the Iranians are in contact with the Trump administration.

    https://x.com/araghchi/status/2033651325397868982

    My last contact with Mr. Witkoff was prior to his employer's decision to kill diplomacy with another illegal military attack on Iran.

    Any claim to the contrary appears geared solely to mislead oil traders and the public.
  • Remember when Tice called for Rayner to resign over her tax affairs.

    If Labour has any ability they’ll hammer this. Making Reform look just like the Tories is the angle they need.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,625
    edited 9:38PM

    Reform has now attacked the pollsters and has moved onto attacking the media.

    They peaked way too early (as I said at the time) and they are currently speedrunning a collapse.

    Tories or Labour lead a single poll by the end of the year.

    I think they lose the lead at least once before May 7
    And after a weaker than expected Reform May 7th performance it will imo get very competitive again
    But then I'm often not right
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,108

    I fancy John Healey.

    Whatever floats your boat, Horse.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,662
    edited 9:40PM
    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,538
    Leon said:

    Jesus fucking Christ, Making Tax Digital is HORRIFIC

    It'll be interesting to see how many people don't go along with it.
  • Reform has now attacked the pollsters and has moved onto attacking the media.

    They peaked way too early (as I said at the time) and they are currently speedrunning a collapse.

    Tories or Labour lead a single poll by the end of the year.

    I think they lose the lead at least once before May 7
    And after a weaker than expected Reform May 7th performance it will imo get very competitive again
    But then I'm often not right
    They don’t call me IncorrectHorseBattery for nothing.

    I just think both Tories and Labour are underpriced.
  • Reform has now attacked the pollsters and has moved onto attacking the media.

    They peaked way too early (as I said at the time) and they are currently speedrunning a collapse.

    Tories or Labour lead a single poll by the end of the year.

    I think they lose the lead at least once before May 7
    And after a weaker than expected Reform May 7th performance it will imo get very competitive again
    But then I'm often not right
    They made a strategic blunder in doing those defections on my view. Should have stayed as the outsiders.

    I got the sense from here Johnson was running away with it in 2019 (I know I said Corbyn would win but that wasn’t based off Pb) but I don’t get that sense this time.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,710

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    How do they know exactly what day to close the school?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,868

    Starmer is less unpopular than Sunak was at this point in his premiership. Just.

    Last day you can make the comparison, too
    Then just under a month to overtake Eden.

    After that, there are a bunch of pub names (kudos to whoever first made that observation), before a cluster of modern PMs who lasted just under or over three years; Brown, Chamberlian, May, Callaghan and Johnson. Failures, yes, but not abject failures. I wonder if Starmer can make it into that elevated group?
    If he survives Mandelson and Mays elections he will be with us till the GE imo, but I think he goes after May
    I don’t think there’s any chance he fights the next election. He’ll resign long before because he won’t want to fight again. I know PB hates him but he’s not stupid.

    However if he’s challenged he’ll fight on.

    But I think he’ll resign of his own volition. But I am unconvinced that is 2026. I think a better chance is his popularity recovers some, economy turns around and he goes 2028. Replacement does a Carney and Labour wins again (small majority or minority government).

    I fancy John Healey.
    Agree on the timing, though events may intervene. But solid as Healey is, he's even older than SKS. Someone from that sort of level in the Cabinet, but still in the relative springtime of their career (Philipson? J Reynolds? Jones?) seems more likely. The interesting thing will be if Starmer gives any of them a big promotion in a reshuffle this summer.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141
    edited 9:44PM

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,710
    Trump sounds very slurry today.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,890
    edited 9:47PM
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because you're excuse was you were pissed.
    lol, no I didn't. But sure, if it pleases you to fib
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,625

    Reform has now attacked the pollsters and has moved onto attacking the media.

    They peaked way too early (as I said at the time) and they are currently speedrunning a collapse.

    Tories or Labour lead a single poll by the end of the year.

    I think they lose the lead at least once before May 7
    And after a weaker than expected Reform May 7th performance it will imo get very competitive again
    But then I'm often not right
    They made a strategic blunder in doing those defections on my view. Should have stayed as the outsiders.

    I got the sense from here Johnson was running away with it in 2019 (I know I said Corbyn would win but that wasn’t based off Pb) but I don’t get that sense this time.
    They are flailing about now abusing pollsters and stamping their feet. They are acting imo like a party that knows it's going to undershoot expectations this time. Set against that of course is the pitiful state of LabCon (whom i agree are underpriced for 2029)
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Brilliant.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,083

    Trump sounds very slurry today.

    As in a mixture of animal manure and water?
  • Trump sounds very slurry today.

    He’s clearly got dementia. Just as Biden did. So where are all the people who questioned Biden’s mental state?
  • I think what is most notable is that still nobody of note has come out to call for SKS to go. That may change after May - but it also might not.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,710

    Trump sounds very slurry today.

    He’s clearly got dementia. Just as Biden did. So where are all the people who questioned Biden’s mental state?
    Nothing to see here. All is normal.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,662
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    It would be fiercely fucking funny if they banned translation of “Islam” into English because it was somehow offensive
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,538
    Brentford 2
    Wolves 2

    91 mins
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,477

    Trump sounds very slurry today.

    He’s clearly got dementia. Just as Biden did. So where are all the people who questioned Biden’s mental state?
    Where were the people who questioned Trump's mental state in 2016 during the Biden years? Same place, probably.
  • Reform has now attacked the pollsters and has moved onto attacking the media.

    They peaked way too early (as I said at the time) and they are currently speedrunning a collapse.

    Tories or Labour lead a single poll by the end of the year.

    I think they lose the lead at least once before May 7
    And after a weaker than expected Reform May 7th performance it will imo get very competitive again
    But then I'm often not right
    They made a strategic blunder in doing those defections on my view. Should have stayed as the outsiders.

    I got the sense from here Johnson was running away with it in 2019 (I know I said Corbyn would win but that wasn’t based off Pb) but I don’t get that sense this time.
    They are flailing about now abusing pollsters and stamping their feet. They are acting imo like a party that knows it's going to undershoot expectations this time. Set against that of course is the pitiful state of LabCon (whom i agree are underpriced for 2029)
    The comment Farage made about not bothering to run the council was very strange.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,901
    Barnesian said:

    MelonB said:

    Nigelb said:

    MelonB said:

    Foxy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    The half a million strong anti-Orban march that took place yesterday in Hungary
    https://x.com/Daractenus/status/2033475863354736927

    Damn.
    That's bigger than Trump's inauguration.

    Hoping it's goodbye to him next month.
    I think Orban does well with the Hungarian diaspora vote, particularly in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia. Hungary is like Russia in its desire to expand its borders, and Orban plays this tune to the diaspora voters. They can have their nationalist cake, and eat it.
    Yes, and it seems highly likely Orban will win again, without needing much vote rigging. He’s like Erdogan or Modi: loathed by many but genuinely popular among others.
    That's really not what the polls say.
    My confident prediction is a comfortable win for Orban. I’d love to be wrong.
    Orban is 2.62 on Betfair.
    Magyar is 1.63.
    Punters disagree with you.
    Punters are an optimistic bunch. Look at the Brexit vote betting.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,625

    Reform has now attacked the pollsters and has moved onto attacking the media.

    They peaked way too early (as I said at the time) and they are currently speedrunning a collapse.

    Tories or Labour lead a single poll by the end of the year.

    I think they lose the lead at least once before May 7
    And after a weaker than expected Reform May 7th performance it will imo get very competitive again
    But then I'm often not right
    They made a strategic blunder in doing those defections on my view. Should have stayed as the outsiders.

    I got the sense from here Johnson was running away with it in 2019 (I know I said Corbyn would win but that wasn’t based off Pb) but I don’t get that sense this time.
    They are flailing about now abusing pollsters and stamping their feet. They are acting imo like a party that knows it's going to undershoot expectations this time. Set against that of course is the pitiful state of LabCon (whom i agree are underpriced for 2029)
    The comment Farage made about not bothering to run the council was very strange.
    He's dialling it in a bit these days.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,890
    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    It's in Bradford and I really don't see the problem as the summer and autumn terms seem to have been extended to account for the days.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,456

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    It would be fiercely fucking funny if they banned translation of “Islam” into English because it was somehow offensive
    "The proposed ban on incitement to "religious hatred" makes no sense unless it involves a ban on the Koran itself; and that would be pretty absurd, when you consider that the Bill's intention is to fight Islamophobia."
    - Boris Johnson, Daily Telegraph, 21 July 2005
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,694
    Andy_JS said:

    Brentford 2
    Wolves 2

    91 mins

    7 points from last 3 games against Villa, LFC and Brentford.
    Next 3 are Spurs, West Ham and Leeds.
    They couldn't, could they?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,197
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    "You can't handle the truth !" ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,492

    Starmer is less unpopular than Sunak was at this point in his premiership. Just.

    Last day you can make the comparison, too
    Then just under a month to overtake Eden.

    After that, there are a bunch of pub names (kudos to whoever first made that observation), before a cluster of modern PMs who lasted just under or over three years; Brown, Chamberlian, May, Callaghan and Johnson. Failures, yes, but not abject failures. I wonder if Starmer can make it into that elevated group?
    If he survives Mandelson and Mays elections he will be with us till the GE imo, but I think he goes after May
    I don’t think there’s any chance he fights the next election. He’ll resign long before because he won’t want to fight again. I know PB hates him but he’s not stupid.

    However if he’s challenged he’ll fight on.

    But I think he’ll resign of his own volition. But I am unconvinced that is 2026. I think a better chance is his popularity recovers some, economy turns around and he goes 2028. Replacement does a Carney and Labour wins again (small majority or minority government).

    I fancy John Healey.
    Agree on the timing, though events may intervene. But solid as Healey is, he's even older than SKS. Someone from that sort of level in the Cabinet, but still in the relative springtime of their career (Philipson? J Reynolds? Jones?) seems more likely. The interesting thing will be if Starmer gives any of them a big promotion in a reshuffle this summer.
    Jones better than JR, Mrs Reynolds is a decent long shot. Bridget has done very well but Education or Welfare is her niche.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,492
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brentford 2
    Wolves 2

    91 mins

    7 points from last 3 games against Villa, LFC and Brentford.
    Next 3 are Spurs, West Ham and Leeds.
    They couldn't, could they?
    Vastly improved of late.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,457
    edited 10:03PM
    On topic.
    Starmer has to get ships into the gulf, lead Britain onto the offensive and action preventing Iran from closing the waterway.

    The National Interest is that Starmer acts immediately in the Gulf, exactly as Trump is requesting. Just two or three months of blockage on oil shipping through the straits will kill UK businesses and the economy, so the National Interest is crystal clear.

    It’s also the only political option Starmer has left - he can no longer remain on the fence and not act. Because, quite simply, on topic: I agree with TSE. Labour will own the pain voters will be feeling, even more so through Labours inaction on the cause of the problem.

    Kemi was spot on last week at PMQs, beginning the long grind and shred into non existence of Starmer and his Government, by ensuring every voter is aware all the economic pain and catastrophe to households and business and the economy, to an inability of UK to pay its interest payments, pensions, welfare and public worker bills so needs IMF loans, is entirely linked to Starmer’s inaction in the gulf.
    Kemi will go with Mandelson this week, and ignore what she started last week. But, where TSE is right in the header, Labour owning the economic disaster hurtling towards UK, this comes with Kemi, Zak, Farage and Ed, constantly reminding voters Starmer and his government are not doing enough.

    Government promises the last few days to do whatever it takes to protect UK households and businesses from rampart inflation especially on food staples, is as ill planned and clueless as Trumps Iran War. By adopting the imbecile Martin Lewis’s exorbitant and massively wasteful government “handing out borrowed money to everybody” scheme, Hunt explained last week the Tories spent at least £95B, £9B from windfall tax on the energy industry, the rest was borrowed money. This Labour government does not have a scoobies how it will fulfil all these promises it is making about this. At some point in future it will be widely known in hindsight, it cost Britain an extra four billion pound for each day Starmer sat on the fence, without taking action on the root cause being Irans illegal terrorism in the gulf.

    Faced with the destruction of UK finances and economy by Iranian blocking of oil - that is so illegal there is no doubt we can now legally attack them - Starmer MUST Act on the illegal terrorist blockade in the gulf. Starmer and his government will be shredded by UKs opposition parties if he doesn’t.

    Simples.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,197
    Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada have issued a joint statement warning that a “significant” Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon would have “devastating humanitarian consequences”

    “We are gravely concerned by the escalating violence in Lebanon and call for meaningful engagement by Israeli and Lebanese representatives to negotiate a sustainable political solution. We strongly support initiatives to facilitate talks and urge for immediate de-escalation.

    “Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel and the targeting of civilians must cease and they must disarm. We condemn Hezbollah’s decision to join Iran in hostilities, which further jeopardises regional peace and security.

    “We condemn attacks directed at civilians, civilian infrastructure, health workers and infrastructure, as well as the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon. These actions are unacceptable, and we call on all parties to act in accordance with international humanitarian law.

    “A significant Israeli ground offensive would have devastating humanitarian consequences and could lead to a protracted conflict. It must be averted. The humanitarian situation in Lebanon, including ongoing mass displacement, is already deeply alarming.

    “We reiterate our call for the full implementation of UNSC Resolution 1701 by all parties and support the efforts of the Government of Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah, prohibit Hezbollah’s military activities, and curb their armed hostilities. We stand in solidarity with the Lebanese government and people, who have been unwillingly drawn into conflict.”

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2033639745461621219
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,456

    On topic.
    Starmer has to get ships into the gulf, lead Britain onto the offensive and action preventing Iran from closing the waterway.

    The National Interest is that Starmer acts immediately in the Gulf, exactly as Trump is requesting. Just two or three months of blockage on oil shipping through the straits will kill UK businesses and the economy, so the National Interest is crystal clear.

    It’s also the only political option Starmer has left - he can no longer remain on the fence and not act. Because, quite simply, on topic: I agree with TSE. Labour will own the pain voters will be feeling, even more so through Labours inaction on the cause of the problem.

    Kemi was spot on last week at PMQs, beginning the long grind and shred into non existence of Starmer and his Government, by ensuring every voter is aware all the economic pain and catastrophe to households and business and the economy, to an inability of UK to pay its interest payments, pensions, welfare and public worker bills so needs IMF loans, is entirely linked to Starmer’s inaction in the gulf.
    Kemi will go with Mandelson this week, and ignore what she started last week. But, where TSE is right in the header, Labour owning the economic disaster hurtling towards UK, this comes with Kemi, Zak, Farage and Ed, constantly reminding voters Starmer and his government are not doing enough.

    Government promises the last few days to do whatever it takes to protect UK households and businesses from rampart inflation especially on food staples, is as ill planned and clueless as Trumps Iran War. By adopting the imbecile Martin Lewis’s exorbitant and massively wasteful government “handing out borrowed money to everybody” scheme, Hunt explained last week the Tories spent at least £95B, £9B from windfall tax on the energy industry, the rest was borrowed money. This Labour government does not have a scoobies how it will fulfil all these promises it is making about this. At some point in future it will be widely known in hindsight, it cost Britain an extra four billion pound for each day Starmer sat on the fence, without taking action on the root cause being Irans illegal terrorism in the gulf.

    Faced with the destruction of UK finances and economy by Iranian blocking of oil - that is so illegal there is no doubt we can now legally attack them - Starmer MUST Act on the illegal terrorist blockade in the gulf. Starmer and his government will be shredded by UKs opposition parties if he doesn’t.

    Simples.

    When are you signing up, Little Miss Angry? :lol:
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,470

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Under a law passed in 1996.

    (Short version is that there's an entitlement for religious observance days for families of any religion. After all, I'm sure you wouln't expect schools with a lot of Jewish pupils to be open on Yom Kippur, would you?

    It doesn't really affect Christians, because Christmas and Easter are covered by bank holidays. At a school with a significant number of Muslim children, it's better for morale and education to just have a tidy closure day. I once had to motivate a class through a GCSE exam on Eid... most of them rose to the challenge, bless 'em.)
    The broader point however is that a substantial proportion of British muslims clearly have little concern for the country they live in. That being said those that do should be warmly embraced.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,890
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    To be blunt having seem the post that I believe TSE is referring to I am rather surprised you can still post here..
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,868
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    "You can't handle the truth !" ?
    Is that better or worse than the carpentry teacher who told a student that the door-opening mechanism they were working on was wonky?

    They couldn't true the handle.

    #sorrynotsorry
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    "You can't handle the truth !" ?
    i have the truth, verbatim, from my WhatsApp conversation with Robert at this precise time in PB history. I can post it on here, for all to see, or @TSE can retract his lie. Up to him
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Under a law passed in 1996.

    (Short version is that there's an entitlement for religious observance days for families of any religion. After all, I'm sure you wouln't expect schools with a lot of Jewish pupils to be open on Yom Kippur, would you?

    It doesn't really affect Christians, because Christmas and Easter are covered by bank holidays. At a school with a significant number of Muslim children, it's better for morale and education to just have a tidy closure day. I once had to motivate a class through a GCSE exam on Eid... most of them rose to the challenge, bless 'em.)
    The Centrist Dads will kill us all. "Bless 'em"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,890
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    If Robert says it is okay I will post a screenshot of my WhatsApp conversation with him where he talks about your grovelling apology, you admitting you were very drunk, and Robert saying you were very racist.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    If Robert says it is okay I will post a screenshot of my WhatsApp conversation with him where he talks about your grovelling apology, you admitting you were very drunk, and Robert saying you were very racist.
    Go on then, but then I demand the right to post my WhatsApps, from the same time
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,675
    geoffw said:

    There's something afoot in Moscow according to Steve Rosenberg – lots of communication apps are getting bans along with Telegram which is being replaced by an officially approved substitute

    Lots of theories floating around and nothing solid. Shoigu coup attempt is one. Hiding the fact that Russia is treating the gravely injured new Iranian leader is another.

    Probably something far more mundane in the middle.
  • *grabs popcorn*
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,470
    Nigelb said:

    Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada have issued a joint statement warning that a “significant” Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon would have “devastating humanitarian consequences”

    “We are gravely concerned by the escalating violence in Lebanon and call for meaningful engagement by Israeli and Lebanese representatives to negotiate a sustainable political solution. We strongly support initiatives to facilitate talks and urge for immediate de-escalation.

    “Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel and the targeting of civilians must cease and they must disarm. We condemn Hezbollah’s decision to join Iran in hostilities, which further jeopardises regional peace and security.

    “We condemn attacks directed at civilians, civilian infrastructure, health workers and infrastructure, as well as the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon. These actions are unacceptable, and we call on all parties to act in accordance with international humanitarian law.

    “A significant Israeli ground offensive would have devastating humanitarian consequences and could lead to a protracted conflict. It must be averted. The humanitarian situation in Lebanon, including ongoing mass displacement, is already deeply alarming.

    “We reiterate our call for the full implementation of UNSC Resolution 1701 by all parties and support the efforts of the Government of Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah, prohibit Hezbollah’s military activities, and curb their armed hostilities. We stand in solidarity with the Lebanese government and people, who have been unwillingly drawn into conflict.”

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2033639745461621219

    Somewhat surprising since the Lebanese government took the decision recently to ban Hezbollah.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,675

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    If Robert says it is okay I will post a screenshot of my WhatsApp conversation with him where he talks about your grovelling apology, you admitting you were very drunk, and Robert saying you were very racist.
    All very unedifying for the site, guys.

    Take this spat offline please.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,197
    Trump added an extra day, just for luck.

    The Trump Administration is reported to have told the Turkish government that the war with Iran would only be a four-day special military operation. Quite a remarkable bit of reporting:

    "The United States government had told Turkey through official channels that the war on Iran would only take four days, Asli Aydintasbas, a Washington-based Turkey expert, said during an interview on Sunday.

    “Turkey and some of its allies were told, through official channels, that this operation would take days and be completed in four days,” Aydintasbas, a fellow at the Brookings Institution, said in an interview with the Serbestiyet news site.

    “You cannot tell a Nato ally that you have made a four-day plan and then extend the operation to 14 days. In a sense, this was also a betrayal of the regional countries.”

    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2033631419805663383
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    If Robert says it is okay I will post a screenshot of my WhatsApp conversation with him where he talks about your grovelling apology, you admitting you were very drunk, and Robert saying you were very racist.
    All very unedifying for the site, guys.

    Take this spat offline please.
    It's not a mere spat, it's pretty fundamental to the site's honesty
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,543
    Nigelb said:

    Trump added an extra day, just for luck.

    The Trump Administration is reported to have told the Turkish government that the war with Iran would only be a four-day special military operation. Quite a remarkable bit of reporting:

    "The United States government had told Turkey through official channels that the war on Iran would only take four days, Asli Aydintasbas, a Washington-based Turkey expert, said during an interview on Sunday.

    “Turkey and some of its allies were told, through official channels, that this operation would take days and be completed in four days,” Aydintasbas, a fellow at the Brookings Institution, said in an interview with the Serbestiyet news site.

    “You cannot tell a Nato ally that you have made a four-day plan and then extend the operation to 14 days. In a sense, this was also a betrayal of the regional countries.”

    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2033631419805663383

    Did Trump phone Putin to sing "anything you can do I can do better" or something?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,890

    On topic.
    Starmer has to get ships into the gulf, lead Britain onto the offensive and action preventing Iran from closing the waterway.

    The National Interest is that Starmer acts immediately in the Gulf, exactly as Trump is requesting. Just two or three months of blockage on oil shipping through the straits will kill UK businesses and the economy, so the National Interest is crystal clear.

    It’s also the only political option Starmer has left - he can no longer remain on the fence and not act. Because, quite simply, on topic: I agree with TSE. Labour will own the pain voters will be feeling, even more so through Labours inaction on the cause of the problem.

    Kemi was spot on last week at PMQs, beginning the long grind and shred into non existence of Starmer and his Government, by ensuring every voter is aware all the economic pain and catastrophe to households and business and the economy, to an inability of UK to pay its interest payments, pensions, welfare and public worker bills so needs IMF loans, is entirely linked to Starmer’s inaction in the gulf.
    Kemi will go with Mandelson this week, and ignore what she started last week. But, where TSE is right in the header, Labour owning the economic disaster hurtling towards UK, this comes with Kemi, Zak, Farage and Ed, constantly reminding voters Starmer and his government are not doing enough.

    Government promises the last few days to do whatever it takes to protect UK households and businesses from rampart inflation especially on food staples, is as ill planned and clueless as Trumps Iran War. By adopting the imbecile Martin Lewis’s exorbitant and massively wasteful government “handing out borrowed money to everybody” scheme, Hunt explained last week the Tories spent at least £95B, £9B from windfall tax on the energy industry, the rest was borrowed money. This Labour government does not have a scoobies how it will fulfil all these promises it is making about this. At some point in future it will be widely known in hindsight, it cost Britain an extra four billion pound for each day Starmer sat on the fence, without taking action on the root cause being Irans illegal terrorism in the gulf.

    Faced with the destruction of UK finances and economy by Iranian blocking of oil - that is so illegal there is no doubt we can now legally attack them - Starmer MUST Act on the illegal terrorist blockade in the gulf. Starmer and his government will be shredded by UKs opposition parties if he doesn’t.

    Simples.

    How do a couple of ships protect every tanker from drone attacks elsewhere in the straits.

    Simply put if Iran wants to close the Straits there is nothing anyone in the world can do to stop them...
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,470

    geoffw said:

    There's something afoot in Moscow according to Steve Rosenberg – lots of communication apps are getting bans along with Telegram which is being replaced by an officially approved substitute

    Lots of theories floating around and nothing solid. Shoigu coup attempt is one. Hiding the fact that Russia is treating the gravely injured new Iranian leader is another.

    Probably something far more mundane in the middle.
    One thing no-one mentions is that a lot of Russian money found it's way to Dubai after the sanctions came in. The place that's now being attacked by Iranian drones (backed by Putin).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,456
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    If Robert says it is okay I will post a screenshot of my WhatsApp conversation with him where he talks about your grovelling apology, you admitting you were very drunk, and Robert saying you were very racist.
    All very unedifying for the site, guys.

    Take this spat offline please.
    It's not a mere spat, it's pretty fundamental to the site's honesty
    Other sites are available... even the Speccie...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,477
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    If Robert says it is okay I will post a screenshot of my WhatsApp conversation with him where he talks about your grovelling apology, you admitting you were very drunk, and Robert saying you were very racist.
    Go on then, but then I demand the right to post my WhatsApps, from the same time
    Strategically, worth remembering you're limited to one screenshot every 24 hours but TSE isn't :smile:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,456

    geoffw said:

    There's something afoot in Moscow according to Steve Rosenberg – lots of communication apps are getting bans along with Telegram which is being replaced by an officially approved substitute

    Lots of theories floating around and nothing solid. Shoigu coup attempt is one. Hiding the fact that Russia is treating the gravely injured new Iranian leader is another.

    Probably something far more mundane in the middle.
    One thing no-one mentions is that a lot of Russian money found it's way to Dubai after the sanctions came in. The place that's now being attacked by Iranian drones (backed by Putin).
    Such is life!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,106
    BBC going in heavy on after Trump has put the boot in to Starmer. Chris Mason is not impressed with Starmer treason, Trump is very angry. Mason says Starmer has turned Trump down twice. Mason is not impressed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,675
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brentford 2
    Wolves 2

    91 mins

    7 points from last 3 games against Villa, LFC and Brentford.
    Next 3 are Spurs, West Ham and Leeds.
    They couldn't, could they?
    Effectively 4 wins and a draw from 17th (when goal difference is taken into account).

    They only have 8 games left.

    So no. But playing with nothing to lose seems to suit. If they did get close, they would have the pressure heaped back on - and likely bottle it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,694
    eek said:

    On topic.
    Starmer has to get ships into the gulf, lead Britain onto the offensive and action preventing Iran from closing the waterway.

    The National Interest is that Starmer acts immediately in the Gulf, exactly as Trump is requesting. Just two or three months of blockage on oil shipping through the straits will kill UK businesses and the economy, so the National Interest is crystal clear.

    It’s also the only political option Starmer has left - he can no longer remain on the fence and not act. Because, quite simply, on topic: I agree with TSE. Labour will own the pain voters will be feeling, even more so through Labours inaction on the cause of the problem.

    Kemi was spot on last week at PMQs, beginning the long grind and shred into non existence of Starmer and his Government, by ensuring every voter is aware all the economic pain and catastrophe to households and business and the economy, to an inability of UK to pay its interest payments, pensions, welfare and public worker bills so needs IMF loans, is entirely linked to Starmer’s inaction in the gulf.
    Kemi will go with Mandelson this week, and ignore what she started last week. But, where TSE is right in the header, Labour owning the economic disaster hurtling towards UK, this comes with Kemi, Zak, Farage and Ed, constantly reminding voters Starmer and his government are not doing enough.

    Government promises the last few days to do whatever it takes to protect UK households and businesses from rampart inflation especially on food staples, is as ill planned and clueless as Trumps Iran War. By adopting the imbecile Martin Lewis’s exorbitant and massively wasteful government “handing out borrowed money to everybody” scheme, Hunt explained last week the Tories spent at least £95B, £9B from windfall tax on the energy industry, the rest was borrowed money. This Labour government does not have a scoobies how it will fulfil all these promises it is making about this. At some point in future it will be widely known in hindsight, it cost Britain an extra four billion pound for each day Starmer sat on the fence, without taking action on the root cause being Irans illegal terrorism in the gulf.

    Faced with the destruction of UK finances and economy by Iranian blocking of oil - that is so illegal there is no doubt we can now legally attack them - Starmer MUST Act on the illegal terrorist blockade in the gulf. Starmer and his government will be shredded by UKs opposition parties if he doesn’t.

    Simples.

    How do a couple of ships protect every tanker from drone attacks elsewhere in the straits.

    Simply put if Iran wants to close the Straits there is nothing anyone in the world can do to stop them...
    I really, really hope this is the focus of PMQs.
    But I suspect even Brixian wouldn't think Badenoch would be that daft.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,868
    eek said:

    On topic.
    Starmer has to get ships into the gulf, lead Britain onto the offensive and action preventing Iran from closing the waterway.

    The National Interest is that Starmer acts immediately in the Gulf, exactly as Trump is requesting. Just two or three months of blockage on oil shipping through the straits will kill UK businesses and the economy, so the National Interest is crystal clear.

    It’s also the only political option Starmer has left - he can no longer remain on the fence and not act. Because, quite simply, on topic: I agree with TSE. Labour will own the pain voters will be feeling, even more so through Labours inaction on the cause of the problem.

    Kemi was spot on last week at PMQs, beginning the long grind and shred into non existence of Starmer and his Government, by ensuring every voter is aware all the economic pain and catastrophe to households and business and the economy, to an inability of UK to pay its interest payments, pensions, welfare and public worker bills so needs IMF loans, is entirely linked to Starmer’s inaction in the gulf.
    Kemi will go with Mandelson this week, and ignore what she started last week. But, where TSE is right in the header, Labour owning the economic disaster hurtling towards UK, this comes with Kemi, Zak, Farage and Ed, constantly reminding voters Starmer and his government are not doing enough.

    Government promises the last few days to do whatever it takes to protect UK households and businesses from rampart inflation especially on food staples, is as ill planned and clueless as Trumps Iran War. By adopting the imbecile Martin Lewis’s exorbitant and massively wasteful government “handing out borrowed money to everybody” scheme, Hunt explained last week the Tories spent at least £95B, £9B from windfall tax on the energy industry, the rest was borrowed money. This Labour government does not have a scoobies how it will fulfil all these promises it is making about this. At some point in future it will be widely known in hindsight, it cost Britain an extra four billion pound for each day Starmer sat on the fence, without taking action on the root cause being Irans illegal terrorism in the gulf.

    Faced with the destruction of UK finances and economy by Iranian blocking of oil - that is so illegal there is no doubt we can now legally attack them - Starmer MUST Act on the illegal terrorist blockade in the gulf. Starmer and his government will be shredded by UKs opposition parties if he doesn’t.

    Simples.

    How do a couple of ships protect every tanker from drone attacks elsewhere in the straits.

    Simply put if Iran wants to close the Straits there is nothing anyone in the world can do to stop them...
    How does anyone, anywhere, defend completely against drones? If the incoming is made up of small, relatively cheap, unmanned, basically disposable objects, and 99.9% interception still lets enough through to cause trouble, what do you do?

    I'm sure someone will come up with an idea in time, but flip knows what.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,141
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    Submission can not be feared, nor criticised
    When the government passes its anti-Muslim hate laws we won't be allowed to NOTICE this, let alone criticise this

    Same goes for PB. I get banned for merely protesting that I'd quite like Britain to stay recognisably British, as everyone has known it for 3000 years

    What a palaver. Along with things like Making Tax Digital, emigration does become very very enticing. I kind of regret making my flat so aesthetically pleasing that I want to stay. I may need to go. Staying in Britain is like watching a truly beloved parent die. Slowly
    Don't lie. you wanted the tax system to discriminate against non white people.

    You begged Robert to let you back on because your excuse was you were pissed.
    Tell you what, shall I get Robert on here to tell us all the truth? Do you want that?
    I repeat this question
    If Robert says it is okay I will post a screenshot of my WhatsApp conversation with him where he talks about your grovelling apology, you admitting you were very drunk, and Robert saying you were very racist.
    Go on then, but then I demand the right to post my WhatsApps, from the same time
    Strategically, worth remembering you're limited to one screenshot every 24 hours but TSE isn't :smile:
    lol, well yes, which is why I am politely requesting rather than just spazzily posting a hundred screenshots

    Of course, it may be possible that @rcs1000 told @TSE and @Leon different versions of this stramash, to keep the peace between us. I will allow that possibility, and it is creditable to Robert that he told diplomatic lies, in that case

    BUT, what TSE said of me is simply not true (even if he didn't know it), and I can prove it. If it is needed
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,558

    Trump sounds very slurry today.

    He’s clearly got dementia. Just as Biden did. So where are all the people who questioned Biden’s mental state?
    Failing the ‘Can you name the current US president’ cognitive question is particularly bad when you’re the answer.

    https://bsky.app/profile/robsnottweeting.bsky.social/post/3mh7ex3nj7k2b
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,994
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    British schools closing for Eid


    https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/2033641572470829258?s=20

    On and on and on

    It's in Bradford and I really don't see the problem as the summer and autumn terms seem to have been extended to account for the days.
    It is a disgrace anywhere in the UK
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,694

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brentford 2
    Wolves 2

    91 mins

    7 points from last 3 games against Villa, LFC and Brentford.
    Next 3 are Spurs, West Ham and Leeds.
    They couldn't, could they?
    Effectively 4 wins and a draw from 17th (when goal difference is taken into account).

    They only have 8 games left.

    So no. But playing with nothing to lose seems to suit. If they did get close, they would have the pressure heaped back on - and likely bottle it.
    Pedantry compels me to point out that Wolves have only 7 left.
    Three wins from three eminently winnable games on current form would be cat meets pigeon territory though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,675

    geoffw said:

    There's something afoot in Moscow according to Steve Rosenberg – lots of communication apps are getting bans along with Telegram which is being replaced by an officially approved substitute

    Lots of theories floating around and nothing solid. Shoigu coup attempt is one. Hiding the fact that Russia is treating the gravely injured new Iranian leader is another.

    Probably something far more mundane in the middle.
    One thing no-one mentions is that a lot of Russian money found it's way to Dubai after the sanctions came in. The place that's now being attacked by Iranian drones (backed by Putin).
    A lot Russian AND Iranian money.

    "Reparations" will be the word when this calms down. Russia and Iran are going to have funds expropriated to pay for a massive GCC drone defence.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,456

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brentford 2
    Wolves 2

    91 mins

    7 points from last 3 games against Villa, LFC and Brentford.
    Next 3 are Spurs, West Ham and Leeds.
    They couldn't, could they?
    Effectively 4 wins and a draw from 17th (when goal difference is taken into account).

    They only have 8 games left.

    So no. But playing with nothing to lose seems to suit. If they did get close, they would have the pressure heaped back on - and likely bottle it.
    "We are dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen!"
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,283
    Evening all :)

    In my part of the world, some shops have special opening hours for Ramadan -Bim's Burgers opens 4.30pm to 10pm.

    As it looks as though we are going to have decent weather last week, I imagine Eid al-fitr will happen on Friday morning - Newham sets aside spaces in the parks to allow prayers to take place but I think it all happens quite early in the day but given it's a Friday, there's going to be alot of activity around the various mosques and other prayer centres.

    Given the cosmopolitan nature of Newham and East Ham, the schools observe not just Eid-al-Fitr but the Orthodox, Jewish, Sikh, Christian and Hindu holy days.

    Oddly enough, one of the big local issues in the run up to the Council elections is the provision of land for muslim cemeteries which of course rusn up against the demands of any spare land for housing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,675
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brentford 2
    Wolves 2

    91 mins

    7 points from last 3 games against Villa, LFC and Brentford.
    Next 3 are Spurs, West Ham and Leeds.
    They couldn't, could they?
    Effectively 4 wins and a draw from 17th (when goal difference is taken into account).

    They only have 8 games left.

    So no. But playing with nothing to lose seems to suit. If they did get close, they would have the pressure heaped back on - and likely bottle it.
    Pedantry compels me to point out that Wolves have only 7 left.
    Three wins from three eminently winnable games on current form would be cat meets pigeon territory though.
    Indeed, 7 games.

    They need to hit Premiership-winning form!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,619

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    Question about the Assisted Dying Bill and it being timed out by a session ending.

    If a bill is being talked out by the lords, as may be happening now, why doesn't the government just extend the parliamentary session until the stages are complete? SFAICS the only compulsory end to a parliamentary session is the five year rule for automatic dissolution.

    Just bring it back identical in next session and pass it with the Parliament Act.

    Bypass the unelected House.
    Then it's no longer a private member's bill, perhaps? Is that right?

    At which point the question of why it wasn't in Labour's manifesto arises.
    Why?

    If a PMB passes, identically, again then that is valid for the Parliament Act.

    The Parliament Act says nothing about manifestos.
    Convention says fundamental changes to the contract between state and individual ought to be in manifestos. Convention also says (as far as I recall) that use of the parliament act should be for things which were in manifestos only.
    If its in the manifesto then the Salisbury Convention applies and the Parliament Act should not be required.

    As far as I am aware the Parliament Act has been invoked twice to pass non-manifesto bills: the Parliament Act itself 1949 (passed using the 1911 Act, no manifesto) and the War Crimes Act 1991.
    I think Wikipedia has a couple more, unless the occasions were not within your criteria. The Hunting Act was the one of which I was aware:

    The following are the acts of Parliament enacted without the consent of the Lords via the use of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949:[1]

    European Parliamentary Elections Act 1999
    Repealed and consolidated in the European Parliamentary Elections Act 2002
    Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000
    Consolidated in Sexual Offences Act 2003 and the Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009
    Hunting Act 2004

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom_enacted_without_the_House_of_Lords'_consent

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,439

    Ratters said:

    From the FT, a novel approach to applying pressure to the Iranian regime. No one in that Gulf can ship oil except Iran...

    Iran is likely to be earning more than $140mn a day from selling oil as prices surge and the US turns a blind eye to its shipments to avoid further destabilising crude markets that have been shaken by the conflict.

    At least 13 supertankers have loaded crude at the country’s main export terminal on Kharg Island since the US and Israel began strikes on the country at the end of last month, according to analysts tracking Iranian shipments through satellite imagery.

    About 24mn barrels of Iranian oil have passed through the Strait of Hormuz in that period, according to Kpler, a data firm. Iran has in effect closed the waterway, through which about 20 per cent of the world’s oil and liquefied natural gas is normally transported, to all other shipping by firing at tankers in the Gulf.

    Utter insanity.

    These muppets don't have a clue what they are doing.

    With apologies to Kermit et al for the comparison.
    Who's the muppet? Them, or you for believing there was the possibility something good could come of their actions?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,619
    Nigelb said:

    Trump added an extra day, just for luck.

    The Trump Administration is reported to have told the Turkish government that the war with Iran would only be a four-day special military operation. Quite a remarkable bit of reporting:

    "The United States government had told Turkey through official channels that the war on Iran would only take four days, Asli Aydintasbas, a Washington-based Turkey expert, said during an interview on Sunday.

    “Turkey and some of its allies were told, through official channels, that this operation would take days and be completed in four days,” Aydintasbas, a fellow at the Brookings Institution, said in an interview with the Serbestiyet news site.

    “You cannot tell a Nato ally that you have made a four-day plan and then extend the operation to 14 days. In a sense, this was also a betrayal of the regional countries.”

    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2033631419805663383

    Almost the same length as Putin's 3-day SMO !
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,197
    Iran is talking to the Russia representative again ?

    A direct communications channel between Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi & U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff has been reactivated in recent days, according to a U.S. official & a source with knowledge
    https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/2033628726890549315
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,664
    eek said:

    On topic.
    Starmer has to get ships into the gulf, lead Britain onto the offensive and action preventing Iran from closing the waterway.

    The National Interest is that Starmer acts immediately in the Gulf, exactly as Trump is requesting. Just two or three months of blockage on oil shipping through the straits will kill UK businesses and the economy, so the National Interest is crystal clear.

    It’s also the only political option Starmer has left - he can no longer remain on the fence and not act. Because, quite simply, on topic: I agree with TSE. Labour will own the pain voters will be feeling, even more so through Labours inaction on the cause of the problem.

    Kemi was spot on last week at PMQs, beginning the long grind and shred into non existence of Starmer and his Government, by ensuring every voter is aware all the economic pain and catastrophe to households and business and the economy, to an inability of UK to pay its interest payments, pensions, welfare and public worker bills so needs IMF loans, is entirely linked to Starmer’s inaction in the gulf.
    Kemi will go with Mandelson this week, and ignore what she started last week. But, where TSE is right in the header, Labour owning the economic disaster hurtling towards UK, this comes with Kemi, Zak, Farage and Ed, constantly reminding voters Starmer and his government are not doing enough.

    Government promises the last few days to do whatever it takes to protect UK households and businesses from rampart inflation especially on food staples, is as ill planned and clueless as Trumps Iran War. By adopting the imbecile Martin Lewis’s exorbitant and massively wasteful government “handing out borrowed money to everybody” scheme, Hunt explained last week the Tories spent at least £95B, £9B from windfall tax on the energy industry, the rest was borrowed money. This Labour government does not have a scoobies how it will fulfil all these promises it is making about this. At some point in future it will be widely known in hindsight, it cost Britain an extra four billion pound for each day Starmer sat on the fence, without taking action on the root cause being Irans illegal terrorism in the gulf.

    Faced with the destruction of UK finances and economy by Iranian blocking of oil - that is so illegal there is no doubt we can now legally attack them - Starmer MUST Act on the illegal terrorist blockade in the gulf. Starmer and his government will be shredded by UKs opposition parties if he doesn’t.

    Simples.

    How do a couple of ships protect every tanker from drone attacks elsewhere in the straits.

    Simply put if Iran wants to close the Straits there is nothing anyone in the world can do to stop them...
    Alternatively, Europe, including the UK, could negotiate a deal with Iran to allow our ships through on condition we don’t supply any oil to the USA and Israel. Call Trump’s bluff and stand up to the bully. If he won’t support our Ukrainian ally ….
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,870
    CNN just played a montage of Trump contradicting himself several times — just minutes apart — during today’s press conference.

    Trump has not convinced himself about his own strategy on Iran.

    https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/2033637136235434283?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,106
    Good cop, bad cop on BBC News. Mason withering in his criticism of Starmer and his spat with Trump. Bowen more measured and more critical of Trump's behaviour.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,890

    eek said:

    On topic.
    Starmer has to get ships into the gulf, lead Britain onto the offensive and action preventing Iran from closing the waterway.

    The National Interest is that Starmer acts immediately in the Gulf, exactly as Trump is requesting. Just two or three months of blockage on oil shipping through the straits will kill UK businesses and the economy, so the National Interest is crystal clear.

    It’s also the only political option Starmer has left - he can no longer remain on the fence and not act. Because, quite simply, on topic: I agree with TSE. Labour will own the pain voters will be feeling, even more so through Labours inaction on the cause of the problem.

    Kemi was spot on last week at PMQs, beginning the long grind and shred into non existence of Starmer and his Government, by ensuring every voter is aware all the economic pain and catastrophe to households and business and the economy, to an inability of UK to pay its interest payments, pensions, welfare and public worker bills so needs IMF loans, is entirely linked to Starmer’s inaction in the gulf.
    Kemi will go with Mandelson this week, and ignore what she started last week. But, where TSE is right in the header, Labour owning the economic disaster hurtling towards UK, this comes with Kemi, Zak, Farage and Ed, constantly reminding voters Starmer and his government are not doing enough.

    Government promises the last few days to do whatever it takes to protect UK households and businesses from rampart inflation especially on food staples, is as ill planned and clueless as Trumps Iran War. By adopting the imbecile Martin Lewis’s exorbitant and massively wasteful government “handing out borrowed money to everybody” scheme, Hunt explained last week the Tories spent at least £95B, £9B from windfall tax on the energy industry, the rest was borrowed money. This Labour government does not have a scoobies how it will fulfil all these promises it is making about this. At some point in future it will be widely known in hindsight, it cost Britain an extra four billion pound for each day Starmer sat on the fence, without taking action on the root cause being Irans illegal terrorism in the gulf.

    Faced with the destruction of UK finances and economy by Iranian blocking of oil - that is so illegal there is no doubt we can now legally attack them - Starmer MUST Act on the illegal terrorist blockade in the gulf. Starmer and his government will be shredded by UKs opposition parties if he doesn’t.

    Simples.

    How do a couple of ships protect every tanker from drone attacks elsewhere in the straits.

    Simply put if Iran wants to close the Straits there is nothing anyone in the world can do to stop them...
    Alternatively, Europe, including the UK, could negotiate a deal with Iran to allow our ships through on condition we don’t supply any oil to the USA and Israel. Call Trump’s bluff and stand up to the bully. If he won’t support our Ukrainian ally ….
    So exactly what I suggested at 9pm this evening...
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