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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,258

    Foxy said:

    I see Farage's big date with Trump was a bit of a "pick me" moment:


    So Trump getting a kicking form the voters for being tied to a Trump who can't be arsed to see him?

    Poetic justice.
    Sorry Nigel, Donald can't see you, he's on the phone to some British chap called Keer
  • eekeek Posts: 32,803
    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    Twat discovers being a twat in UAE creates a whole set of problems for said Twat
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,258

    Brixian59 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I've heard suggestions that there simply won't be enough LNG in the world to meet global needs without Qatar if warmer weather doesn't arrive in Europe and North America within the next couple of weeks. There will be blackouts as countries are simply unable to get enough supply for energy generation.

    I think we may need to turn the coal power back on, the government needs to start contingency planning to have coal energy back online within weeks, even if the war ends and shipments restart by the end of March there is going to be a shortages everywhere for months.

    Price goes up, demand goes down. Supply=demand in equilibrium.
    Demand going down will lead to blackouts, which was my point. There just won't be enough LNG to keep all the lights on for all of the people. Richer countries like the UK might be ok, other countries might not and could be in for months of rolling blackouts. We might be if the government decides that the cost of doing business is too high and doesn't subsidise purchases.

    The government seems completely frozen. By now they should have begun recommissioning coal plants ready for use just in case. I'd rather burn a bit of coal for the next few months than have economy crippling rolling blackouts.
    They could send Farage and Kemi down to pump out the water Thatcher let flood in to them

    One good blow each there would be enough hot air to heat unlimited geyser plumes
    Why don't you try to make a decent argument then just embarrassing yourself
    Satire never works on a Tory
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    Twat discovers being a twat in UAE creates a whole set of problems for said Twat
    Twat discovers that there’s actual consequences for being a twat in places like the UAE.

    Which is a large part of why those of us who live here like the place - there’s very few twats.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,258
    eek said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I've heard suggestions that there simply won't be enough LNG in the world to meet global needs without Qatar if warmer weather doesn't arrive in Europe and North America within the next couple of weeks. There will be blackouts as countries are simply unable to get enough supply for energy generation.

    I think we may need to turn the coal power back on, the government needs to start contingency planning to have coal energy back online within weeks, even if the war ends and shipments restart by the end of March there is going to be a shortages everywhere for months.

    Price goes up, demand goes down. Supply=demand in equilibrium.
    Demand going down will lead to blackouts, which was my point. There just won't be enough LNG to keep all the lights on for all of the people. Richer countries like the UK might be ok, other countries might not and could be in for months of rolling blackouts. We might be if the government decides that the cost of doing business is too high and doesn't subsidise purchases.

    The government seems completely frozen. By now they should have begun recommissioning coal plants ready for use just in case. I'd rather burn a bit of coal for the next few months than have economy crippling rolling blackouts.
    They could send Farage and Kemi down to pump out the water Thatcher let flood in to them

    One good blow each there would be enough hot air to heat unlimited geyser plumes
    Why don't you try to make a decent argument then just embarrassing yourself
    All he’s done is pointed out we don’t mine for coal anymore.

    What I suspect is happening is the Government is going through the playbooks as written and going - that works, oops that hasn’t played out as expected, opens next playbook and discovers similar issues.

    Reality is with no gas coming from the Middle East we have problems which can’t be quickly fixed and have been created by decisions some of which were made 30+ years ago
    He's always playing the man not the ball.

    I'm convinced he's Robbie Savage
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,117
    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,447

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Broken again?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,803
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Inspiring stuff.

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/2030952994733179302

    Keir Starmer warns that the longer the Iran conflict goes on, the greater the impact on the domestic economy.

    "You will sense I think, that the longer this goes on, the more likely the potential for an impact on our economy, impact into the lives and households of everybody and every business.

    “And our job is to get ahead of that, to look around the corner, assess the risk, monitor the risks, and work with others in relation to that.”

    File under "PM Insights: No Shit, Sherlock..."

    "Get ahead of that". Try firing Ed Miliband. Oh you can't, because then he'd be working to unseat you as PM.
    Why would he fire Ed Miliband whose renewables vision will save the UK whilst Kemi and Farage lick Trumps oily ass
    Ed is ridiculously blinkered.
    It's the oil and gas dinosaurs who are blinkered.

    Yep let's start drilling... Wait 5 years and sell it where?

    International market

    Oh hang on.
    If you think there will be no market for oil in 5 years I have a bridge to sell you.
    You completely missed the point.

    Drill baby Drill

    But you've still got to pay

    INTERNATIONAL market prices.

    Technically it’s international market prices + delivery costs.

    Which is one reason why we haven’t been drilling in the North Sea, with international prices below $x a barrel it didn’t make sense.

    Now granted today we could do with the oil and gas but in 6 months time one of two things will play out

    1) prices return to the previous ones and we don’t need the oil and gas
    2) the Middle East remains a mess and we desperately need it

    Anyone who claims to know which of those outcomes is going to be the case is a liar (probably to themselves and everyone else)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,329
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Simply pointing out the problem with habitually quoting dodgy sources and yet moaning about wiki. It wasn't meant to be the most fascinating comment I've ever made. But it did the job, I think.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,326
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    I'm an editor on Wikipedia.

    User Sunil060902

    It's fine.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Inspiring stuff.

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/2030952994733179302

    Keir Starmer warns that the longer the Iran conflict goes on, the greater the impact on the domestic economy.

    "You will sense I think, that the longer this goes on, the more likely the potential for an impact on our economy, impact into the lives and households of everybody and every business.

    “And our job is to get ahead of that, to look around the corner, assess the risk, monitor the risks, and work with others in relation to that.”

    File under "PM Insights: No Shit, Sherlock..."

    "Get ahead of that". Try firing Ed Miliband. Oh you can't, because then he'd be working to unseat you as PM.
    Why would he fire Ed Miliband whose renewables vision will save the UK whilst Kemi and Farage lick Trumps oily ass
    Ed is ridiculously blinkered.
    It's the oil and gas dinosaurs who are blinkered.

    Yep let's start drilling... Wait 5 years and sell it where?

    International market

    Oh hang on.
    If you think there will be no market for oil in 5 years I have a bridge to sell you.
    You completely missed the point.

    Drill baby Drill

    But you've still got to pay

    INTERNATIONAL market prices.

    But you receive the tax revenue of billions

    Why are you blind to the revenue raised by taxing it
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,258

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Broken again?
    No point risking it to friendly fire
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I've heard suggestions that there simply won't be enough LNG in the world to meet global needs without Qatar if warmer weather doesn't arrive in Europe and North America within the next couple of weeks. There will be blackouts as countries are simply unable to get enough supply for energy generation.

    I think we may need to turn the coal power back on, the government needs to start contingency planning to have coal energy back online within weeks, even if the war ends and shipments restart by the end of March there is going to be a shortages everywhere for months.

    Price goes up, demand goes down. Supply=demand in equilibrium.
    Demand going down will lead to blackouts, which was my point. There just won't be enough LNG to keep all the lights on for all of the people. Richer countries like the UK might be ok, other countries might not and could be in for months of rolling blackouts. We might be if the government decides that the cost of doing business is too high and doesn't subsidise purchases.

    The government seems completely frozen. By now they should have begun recommissioning coal plants ready for use just in case. I'd rather burn a bit of coal for the next few months than have economy crippling rolling blackouts.
    They could send Farage and Kemi down to pump out the water Thatcher let flood in to them

    One good blow each there would be enough hot air to heat unlimited geyser plumes
    Why don't you try to make a decent argument then just embarrassing yourself
    Satire never works on a Tory
    I do not use foul or abusive language, nor suggest bombing Tel Aviv or US oilfields nor am I blind to North Sea tax revenue currently being crushed by labour dogma
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    U turn is the hallmark of Starmer's government
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471
    edited 2:41PM
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,329

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea
    Well that's his lookout.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
    Do you not understand just how bad this looks to our middle east allies, and indeed Cyprus
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    The Red Sea isn’t the problem.

    The Straight of Hormuz is the problem. But protecting that area means Western countries putting their navies in actual danger. No-one except the US and the Gulf states have stepped up so far.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,992
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    From a part of the horse’s anatomy anyway.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471
    edited 2:48PM
    Iran are risking NATO involvement, indeed it already is

    SKY

    NATO confirms it intercepted missile 'heading to Turkey'

    NATO has confirmed it intercepted another missile "heading to Turkey".

    Earlier, we reported a statement from Turkey's defence ministry saying that a ballistic missile fired from Iran was shot down in its airspace.

    It said the missile was destroyed by NATO defences based in the eastern Mediterranean and that fragments landed in a remote area of southeastern Turkey.

    NATO spokesperson Allison Hart posted on X:

    NATO has again intercepted a missile heading to Türkiye. NATO stands firm in its readiness to defend all Allies against any threat.

    She did not confirm if the missile was shot down in Turkish airspace.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,294
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoutBIXXJ-o&t=991s is an appearance by Chris Philp on LBC, discussing the war. I thought it quite interesting. It's nice to have an interview that challenges the interviewee, but also gives him plenty of space to develop his argument.

    The 180 degree turn at the end is telling.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471

    Iran are risking NATO involvement, indeed it already is

    SKY

    NATO confirms it intercepted missile 'heading to Turkey'

    NATO has confirmed it intercepted another missile "heading to Turkey".

    Earlier, we reported a statement from Turkey's defence ministry saying that a ballistic missile fired from Iran was shot down in its airspace.

    It said the missile was destroyed by NATO defences based in the eastern Mediterranean and that fragments landed in a remote area of southeastern Turkey.

    NATO spokesperson Allison Hart posted on X:

    NATO has again intercepted a missile heading to Türkiye. NATO stands firm in its readiness to defend all Allies against any threat.

    She did not confirm if the missile was shot down in Turkish airspace.

    'NATO has again intercepted a missile heading to Türkiye. NATO stands firm in its readiness to defend all Allies against any threat'

    That is significant as it could include the RAF and other NATO allies taking action to attack the launchers inside Iran
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,294
    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
    Do you not understand just how bad this looks to our middle east allies, and indeed Cyprus
    None of the Gulf countries is looking to us to defend them. And why should they? They're a lot richer than we are and indeed seem intent on hollowing out our tax base making it even harder for us to fund our military. We should focus on our own defence, as the US withdraws from defending Europe leaving us vulnerable at home.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,432

    Iran are risking NATO involvement, indeed it already is

    SKY

    NATO confirms it intercepted missile 'heading to Turkey'

    NATO has confirmed it intercepted another missile "heading to Turkey".

    Earlier, we reported a statement from Turkey's defence ministry saying that a ballistic missile fired from Iran was shot down in its airspace.

    It said the missile was destroyed by NATO defences based in the eastern Mediterranean and that fragments landed in a remote area of southeastern Turkey.

    NATO spokesperson Allison Hart posted on X:

    NATO has again intercepted a missile heading to Türkiye. NATO stands firm in its readiness to defend all Allies against any threat.

    She did not confirm if the missile was shot down in Turkish airspace.

    I sincerely hope Richard Hermer authorised this interception in accordance with immutable international law
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,432

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%

    How does Farage extricate himself from the orange posterior?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
    It’s a half billion years ago old organism, emerging from the primordial slime. A massive great Trilobite

    And right behind it is a vulgar gold copper pot, made in Nazi Germany in about 1941. And the copper pot sits on a ceramic trivet, dating from 1914, celebrating the alliance of the British French and Belgians in the Great War

    And the trilobite is resting on a 17th century polychrome delft tile portraying an itinerant piper, which I have sprayed with clear lacquer and adorned with felt feet, turning it into a perfect coaster for my 1780s Georgian amethyst wineglass

    And that’s just one corner of my William IV mahogany writing table

    “Bric a brac”

    Pffff!!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,432

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
    Do you not understand just how bad this looks to our middle east allies, and indeed Cyprus
    None of the Gulf countries is looking to us to defend them. And why should they? They're a lot richer than we are and indeed seem intent on hollowing out our tax base making it even harder for us to fund our military. We should focus on our own defence, as the US withdraws from defending Europe leaving us vulnerable at home.
    We have defence and security agreements with many of them. Thats why we are allowed to use their bases.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,294
    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    I'm sorry, I just don't for a second believe that is true. And yes, you live in Dubai (and I sincerely wish you luck!)

    But the fact is most people find the idea of bombs and drones, falling out of the sky, genuinely horrifying, no matter how much evidence you offer that they are statistically more at risk from falling coconuts on a tropical beach (I think that might be true, btw)

    You are different. You've shown it. You went to Ukraine twice, or thrice (like me) during the war You've got cullions of tungsten and you can take a bit of danger

    Most people can't. Moreover, one of the main reason people MOVE to Dubai is "safety". That and the low taxes are in fact the main attractor. It's not the weather. It's very pleasant in winter but for six months you cannot go outside without frying to death

    So these people have lost a massive reason to hang around in Dubai. I would be frankly astonished if lots of them, if they have the choice, are not fleeing ASAP
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,301
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
    It’s a half billion years ago old organism, emerging from the primordial slime. A massive great Trilobite

    And right behind it is a vulgar gold copper pot, made in Nazi Germany in about 1941. And the copper pot sits on a ceramic trivet, dating from 1914, celebrating the alliance of the British French and Belgians in the Great War

    And the trilobite is resting on a 17th century polychrome delft tile portraying an itinerant piper, which I have sprayed with clear lacquer and adorned with felt feet, turning it into a perfect coaster for my 1780s Georgian amethyst wineglass

    And that’s just one corner of my William IV mahogany writing table

    “Bric a brac”

    Pffff!!
    Doing that to a 17th century tile ought to be punishable by the death penalty
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
    It’s a half billion years ago old organism, emerging from the primordial slime. A massive great Trilobite

    And right behind it is a vulgar gold copper pot, made in Nazi Germany in about 1941. And the copper pot sits on a ceramic trivet, dating from 1914, celebrating the alliance of the British French and Belgians in the Great War

    And the trilobite is resting on a 17th century polychrome delft tile portraying an itinerant piper, which I have sprayed with clear lacquer and adorned with felt feet, turning it into a perfect coaster for my 1780s Georgian amethyst wineglass

    And that’s just one corner of my William IV mahogany writing table

    “Bric a brac”

    Pffff!!
    Doing that to a 17th century tile ought to be punishable by the death penalty
    lol

    Why? I've given it a new purpose. It has a task, a role, a job. Once it was a tile on a wall in Holland of the Golden Age now it is a handsome coaster in north London, several centuries later

    If you were a 350 year old tile, would you rather sit in a museum, being ignored and gathering dust, or be part of human life once more, occasionally being splattered with excellent Rioja but getting to feel truly useful. I've basically reincarnated it
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
    It’s a half billion years ago old organism, emerging from the primordial slime. A massive great Trilobite

    And right behind it is a vulgar gold copper pot, made in Nazi Germany in about 1941. And the copper pot sits on a ceramic trivet, dating from 1914, celebrating the alliance of the British French and Belgians in the Great War

    And the trilobite is resting on a 17th century polychrome delft tile portraying an itinerant piper, which I have sprayed with clear lacquer and adorned with felt feet, turning it into a perfect coaster for my 1780s Georgian amethyst wineglass

    And that’s just one corner of my William IV mahogany writing table

    “Bric a brac”

    Pffff!!
    Strong Little Mermaid vibes.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,117
    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2031014184419197259

    “Australia is making a terrible humanitarian mistake by allowing the Iran National Woman’s Soccer team to be forced back to Iran, where they will most likely be killed. Don’t do it, Mr. Prime Minister, give ASYLUM. The U.S. will take them if you won’t..." - @POTUS
  • eekeek Posts: 32,803

    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2031014184419197259

    “Australia is making a terrible humanitarian mistake by allowing the Iran National Woman’s Soccer team to be forced back to Iran, where they will most likely be killed. Don’t do it, Mr. Prime Minister, give ASYLUM. The U.S. will take them if you won’t..." - @POTUS

    All those Iranian players need to decide do we go home or do we stay here and pray our parents and other family members aren’t punished as we didn’t go home.

    As with everything else it’s not as clear cut as Trump makes out
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,155
    Someone posted an LBC interview with Chris Philp the other day - many thanks for that. Interesting watch and glad to see a slightly longer form interview that could explore topics a bit more. They still interrupted each other a lot but felt mroe like a conversation than soundbites.

    Hope that kind of journalism is coming back.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,911
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in a snit and founded Citizendium as a competitor. Twenty years ago.
    • Citizendium currently has about 17,000 articles. Sanger believes that articles should be held to a high standard of correctness, written by named individuals, and shepherded in to their final form carefully. This doesn't work
    • Wikipedia currently has 7.1 million English articles. Wales (the founder) believes that articles should be written and corrected via Cunningham's Law, written by people using aliases, and continually evolving. This does work
    I know you're parroting some kind of online right shibboleth about how Wiki is der capturred by woke leftists, but it is bollocks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    edited 3:13PM

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
    It’s a half billion years ago old organism, emerging from the primordial slime. A massive great Trilobite

    And right behind it is a vulgar gold copper pot, made in Nazi Germany in about 1941. And the copper pot sits on a ceramic trivet, dating from 1914, celebrating the alliance of the British French and Belgians in the Great War

    And the trilobite is resting on a 17th century polychrome delft tile portraying an itinerant piper, which I have sprayed with clear lacquer and adorned with felt feet, turning it into a perfect coaster for my 1780s Georgian amethyst wineglass

    And that’s just one corner of my William IV mahogany writing table

    “Bric a brac”

    Pffff!!
    Strong Little Mermaid vibes.
    A movie which, I note *en passant*, grossed $570 million

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5971474/

    So you're saying I'm great box office. That seems true and fair
  • eekeek Posts: 32,803

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
    Do you not understand just how bad this looks to our middle east allies, and indeed Cyprus
    None of the Gulf countries is looking to us to defend them. And why should they? They're a lot richer than we are and indeed seem intent on hollowing out our tax base making it even harder for us to fund our military. We should focus on our own defence, as the US withdraws from defending Europe leaving us vulnerable at home.
    With respect I am genuinely surprised you are not aware of our commitment in the middle east


    The UK's military presence in the Middle East includes the following countries with RAF protection:

    Cyprus: Home to the only permanent joint operating base in the wider region, RAF combat aircraft fly from Cyprus for Operation Shader.

    Qatar: Al Udeid air base serves as the RAF's operational headquarters in the Middle East.

    United Arab Emirates: Al Minhad airbase is used for RAF operations in the region.

    Oman: Al Musannah airbase is another RAF base in the Middle East.

    Bahrain: The UK Naval Support Facility in Bahrain supports UK naval vessels in the Persian Gulf.

    These bases and facilities are crucial for the UK's military operations in the Middle East, providing protection and support to UK forces
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,352

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Inspiring stuff.

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/2030952994733179302

    Keir Starmer warns that the longer the Iran conflict goes on, the greater the impact on the domestic economy.

    "You will sense I think, that the longer this goes on, the more likely the potential for an impact on our economy, impact into the lives and households of everybody and every business.

    “And our job is to get ahead of that, to look around the corner, assess the risk, monitor the risks, and work with others in relation to that.”

    File under "PM Insights: No Shit, Sherlock..."

    "Get ahead of that". Try firing Ed Miliband. Oh you can't, because then he'd be working to unseat you as PM.
    Why would he fire Ed Miliband whose renewables vision will save the UK whilst Kemi and Farage lick Trumps oily ass
    Ed is ridiculously blinkered.
    It's the oil and gas dinosaurs who are blinkered.

    Yep let's start drilling... Wait 5 years and sell it where?

    International market

    Oh hang on.
    If we buy oil and gas abroad, the money goes abroad

    If we use oil and gas produced in the U.K. North Sea, the money goes to the U.K. and is taxed. It also supports a number of jobs in the U.K.

    If we sell North Sea oil on the international market at a high price, the oil companies can then buy the expensive, overseas oil that suits our refineries, with the profits.

    It’s almost as if producing oil and gas during a time of high prices makes money or something.
    Norway is the prime example

    There should be no argument other than generate billions of tax receipts
    Well, there is an argument or 2, actually.

    1) we need to be heading to net zero
    2) if we have an investment in the North Sea this create a lobby to delay (1)
    3) setting an example

    Because of a problem with nuance on U.K. politics, Ed Yoctoband feels that only a simple, absolute push on stopping new fossil fuel extraction will get us to 1)

    I can see why he thinks that - given the institutional stupidity involved, a simple ban is about all that will be understood.

    But I think that what we need to do is allow continuing North Sea extraction, while pushing for Net Zero. And if that means slamming some piano lids on finger to stop extraction turning into stopping eventual Net Zero… I’d just jump up and down on the piano lid.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,911



    There isn't necessarily always going to be a cold, dark, still week in January that we are never able to cover with renewables. Tidal and geothermal continue regardless of the weather. Hydroelectric is less connected to the weather and pumped-storage hydroelectricity is unaffected by the weather. More efficient solar and more solar means you make the most of whatever the weather conditions are. Better interconnectivity means you can rely on somewhere where it's windier and brighter.

    If you are going to burn carbon, it can be domestically produced biofuels, biogas and waste-to-energy.

    So, should we be spending money on a big investment in methane storage capacity, or could we spend it better on nuclear, wave, geothermal, biofuels, solar...?

    I was curious what the current figures are for UK gas imports. 2024 figures are...

    Norway 50.2%
    Domestic (North Sea) 33.8%
    US 11%
    Qatar 1.2%
    Trinidad and Tobago 1.1%
    others less than 1% each

    And then I thought, what would Trump do? Presumably invade Trinidad and Tobago. How quickly can we get an aircraft carrier to the Caribbean?

    As I said earlier, remember Norway already proposed cutting the supply of gas to the UK last year.

    And a few other points:

    Current hydro capacity is about 1 percent of demand.
    Pumped Storage is not generation. It is simply a liquid battery.
    Tidal and geothermal are almost non existent in the UK and successive governments have refused to invest in them, which is criminal to my mind.
    Interconnectvity can only provide about 9GW of power total. Peak demand in the UK is around 60GW.

    All of these things are important and on a decades level, if we get a government with any sense (no laughing at the back please), then tidal, geothermal and nuclear could be a huge leap forward for us. But that is a very very long way away. Even further with the sorts of governments we seem to get these days.
    It's worth a mention that the UK's first geothermal power plant has just been turned on:

    Earth's heat to power 10,000 homes in renewable energy first for UK

    It's not much and it's been a long time coming, but it's a start.
    Its brilliant and we should be doing far more like this. There have been geothermal projects running in the Hampshre Basin for decades but they have never been commercialised/adopted because the Government isn't interested in them.

    The average temperature gradient for the North Sea is 25 degrees C per 1000m. This is even higher in some places onshore. The scope for geothermal is huge even though we don't have the vulcanism like Iceland.
    Given that we now have lots of oil rigs twiddling their thumbs, would it be viable to put a geothermal engine to produce electricity on them? Or even a SMR?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%

    How does Farage extricate himself from the orange posterior?
    It's rather ironic Trump actually avoided him
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,349

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%

    How does Farage extricate himself from the orange posterior?
    With his ears...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003
    Shameful that the German government is reacting to this war in a more sensible way than our own one.

    Friedrich Merz has called for a speedy change of government in Iran, saying: "The sooner the mullah regime stops, the sooner this war will be over."

    The German chancellor says: "Iran is the centre of international terrorism and this centre must be shut down and the Americans and Israelis are doing that in their own way."

    He also says the war could have "repercussions" on the German economy, the largest in Europe, and says his government is "doing everything we can to increase our independence in energy policy".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz0g2yg3579t?post=asset:47aaaca9-756c-49d4-8a2b-f2b9b7aeb7cb#post
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003
    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
    Do you not understand just how bad this looks to our middle east allies, and indeed Cyprus
    None of the Gulf countries is looking to us to defend them. And why should they? They're a lot richer than we are and indeed seem intent on hollowing out our tax base making it even harder for us to fund our military. We should focus on our own defence, as the US withdraws from defending Europe leaving us vulnerable at home.
    With respect I am genuinely surprised you are not aware of our commitment in the middle east


    The UK's military presence in the Middle East includes the following countries with RAF protection:

    Cyprus: Home to the only permanent joint operating base in the wider region, RAF combat aircraft fly from Cyprus for Operation Shader.

    Qatar: Al Udeid air base serves as the RAF's operational headquarters in the Middle East.

    United Arab Emirates: Al Minhad airbase is used for RAF operations in the region.

    Oman: Al Musannah airbase is another RAF base in the Middle East.

    Bahrain: The UK Naval Support Facility in Bahrain supports UK naval vessels in the Persian Gulf.

    These bases and facilities are crucial for the UK's military operations in the Middle East, providing protection and support to UK forces
    We are clearly in no state to act as these countries' primary source of defence and any contribution we make is miniscule compared to the US. They are also increasingly richer than us and can afford to pay for their own defence. I think it's ridiculous that we prioritize acting like the big man in the middle east when we should be focusing on defending ourselves as the US is no longer a trustworthy ally.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,294
    .

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
    Do you not understand just how bad this looks to our middle east allies, and indeed Cyprus
    None of the Gulf countries is looking to us to defend them. And why should they? They're a lot richer than we are and indeed seem intent on hollowing out our tax base making it even harder for us to fund our military. We should focus on our own defence, as the US withdraws from defending Europe leaving us vulnerable at home.
    With respect I am genuinely surprised you are not aware of our commitment in the middle east


    The UK's military presence in the Middle East includes the following countries with RAF protection:

    Cyprus: Home to the only permanent joint operating base in the wider region, RAF combat aircraft fly from Cyprus for Operation Shader.

    Qatar: Al Udeid air base serves as the RAF's operational headquarters in the Middle East.

    United Arab Emirates: Al Minhad airbase is used for RAF operations in the region.

    Oman: Al Musannah airbase is another RAF base in the Middle East.

    Bahrain: The UK Naval Support Facility in Bahrain supports UK naval vessels in the Persian Gulf.

    These bases and facilities are crucial for the UK's military operations in the Middle East, providing protection and support to UK forces
    I kind of think that maybe Qatar could pay for its own defence rather than giving money to Hamas, as they do. And maybe UAE could pay for their own defence rather than giving money to the Rapid Support Forces in Sudan, as they do.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,432

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%

    How does Farage extricate himself from the orange posterior?
    It's rather ironic Trump actually avoided him
    A sign that everyone knows Reform are a sinking ship.
    I think they'll lose first place in at least one poll before May 7th and regularly afterwards
  • eekeek Posts: 32,803

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    edited 3:26PM
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in a snit and founded Citizendium as a competitor. Twenty years ago.
    • Citizendium currently has about 17,000 articles. Sanger believes that articles should be held to a high standard of correctness, written by named individuals, and shepherded in to their final form carefully. This doesn't work
    • Wikipedia currently has 7.1 million English articles. Wales (the founder) believes that articles should be written and corrected via Cunningham's Law, written by people using aliases, and continually evolving. This does work
    I know you're parroting some kind of online right shibboleth about how Wiki is der capturred by woke leftists, but it is bollocks.
    It really really isn't, you twit. It's been analysed and proven multiple times


    See here:

    https://manhattan.institute/article/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    Also here:

    "Is Wikipedia Politically Biased?
    A computational analysis of Wikipedia's content suggests that Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View policy is not achieving its stated goal of impartiality"

    https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    And here:

    "Wikipedia Is More Biased Than Britannica, but Don’t Blame the Crowd"

    https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

    And many other places

    Wiki is still genuinely useful for non controversial topics, but for anything politically explosive it is now so warped as to be near redundant

    This applies to multiple contentious issues, btw, it's not a simple left v right dichotomy
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%

    How does Farage extricate himself from the orange posterior?
    It's rather ironic Trump actually avoided him
    A sign that everyone knows Reform are a sinking ship.
    I think they'll lose first place in at least one poll before May 7th and regularly afterwards
    Which I would be wholeheartedly celebrating except for the remorse that we're likely to see the Greens being in first place if that happens.

    Caught between Scylla and Charybdis with that one.

    Or caught between syphilis and chlamydia.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    I'm sorry, I just don't for a second believe that is true. And yes, you live in Dubai (and I sincerely wish you luck!)

    But the fact is most people find the idea of bombs and drones, falling out of the sky, genuinely horrifying, no matter how much evidence you offer that they are statistically more at risk from falling coconuts on a tropical beach (I think that might be true, btw)

    You are different. You've shown it. You went to Ukraine twice, or thrice (like me) during the war You've got cullions of tungsten and you can take a bit of danger

    Most people can't. Moreover, one of the main reason people MOVE to Dubai is "safety". That and the low taxes are in fact the main attractor. It's not the weather. It's very pleasant in winter but for six months you cannot go outside without frying to death

    So these people have lost a massive reason to hang around in Dubai. I would be frankly astonished if lots of them, if they have the choice, are not fleeing ASAP
    The random coconuts on the beach probably isn’t far off. As of now there’s been four civilian casualties in the UAE, a country of 11m people. May they rest in peace.

    Road accident deaths in an average Ramadan would be way higher than that.

    Yeah I’ve been to Ukraine, as have you, and you know that what’s going on there is orders of magnitude worse, with constant sirens and orders to shelter.

    Safety in Dubai is still absolute, it’s always been one of the safest places in the world and that hasn’t significantly changed in the past 10 days.

    The weather is indeed awesome in the winter and crap in the summer, which is why it’s so popular as a tourist destination. Don’t visit here between Easter and October half-term unless you know what to expect. I always laugh at the crazy deals the hotels do here in August, and the Brits that take the bait and turn up not understanding the climate. Awesome for us locals though, getting $1,000 hotel rooms for $200 out of season.

    Yes there’s a few high-profile “millionaires” and “influencers” in Dubai. They’re my customers, and the vast majority of us Brits here are just normal people doing normal jobs earning normal money.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003
    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Not all though.

    Indeed "vote Brexit so that all races are treated equally for migration" was an explicit part of the campaign.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    At the same time Macron is sending two warships to the Red Sea

    France will send two warships to Red Sea - as Greek PM calls for more EU help at sea

    France will send two warships to the Red Sea, Emmanuel Macron has announced.

    This would be part of efforts to address the economic impact of "the de-facto closure of maritime routes", Macron said, as Iran has effectively closed the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf.

    The two French frigates will join an EU mission that protects shipping in the Red Sea on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, though notably not in the Persian Gulf.

    The EU mission was created in response to attacks from the Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen on international shipping in late 2023.

    During a joint visit with Macron to Cyprus, Greece's prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, also called on other European countries to boost the naval force in the Red Sea.

    For context: This isn't the first asset that France has mobilised in response to the Iran war. Macron promised to send the frigate Languedoc and air defence systems to Cyprus after a UK airbase on the island was hit by a drone last week.

    France's aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is expected to arrive in the eastern Mediterranean in the coming days.

    Macron also married his teacher. I don't think we need to copy his every move.
    Do you not understand just how bad this looks to our middle east allies, and indeed Cyprus
    None of the Gulf countries is looking to us to defend them. And why should they? They're a lot richer than we are and indeed seem intent on hollowing out our tax base making it even harder for us to fund our military. We should focus on our own defence, as the US withdraws from defending Europe leaving us vulnerable at home.
    With respect I am genuinely surprised you are not aware of our commitment in the middle east


    The UK's military presence in the Middle East includes the following countries with RAF protection:

    Cyprus: Home to the only permanent joint operating base in the wider region, RAF combat aircraft fly from Cyprus for Operation Shader.

    Qatar: Al Udeid air base serves as the RAF's operational headquarters in the Middle East.

    United Arab Emirates: Al Minhad airbase is used for RAF operations in the region.

    Oman: Al Musannah airbase is another RAF base in the Middle East.

    Bahrain: The UK Naval Support Facility in Bahrain supports UK naval vessels in the Persian Gulf.

    These bases and facilities are crucial for the UK's military operations in the Middle East, providing protection and support to UK forces
    We are clearly in no state to act as these countries' primary source of defence and any contribution we make is miniscule compared to the US. They are also increasingly richer than us and can afford to pay for their own defence. I think it's ridiculous that we prioritize acting like the big man in the middle east when we should be focusing on defending ourselves as the US is no longer a trustworthy ally.
    Whatever you may think that is the reality as of now, and why it is absurd to think we are not involved in this war, indeed as a NATO member we could be called into action at any time as demonstrated by NATO in Türkiye today
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,540
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    How are they influencers if they aren't influencing any others to leave?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,858
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2030999849663893720

    Breaking:

    Despite briefings over the course of the weekend - and the assumption of Donald Trump - it sounds like the HMS Prince of Wales **will not** be deployed to the Middle East

    Good call. It should stay where it is. The war has already been won anyway. We have this from the horse's mouth.
    Other end of the horse, surely?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,432

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%

    How does Farage extricate himself from the orange posterior?
    It's rather ironic Trump actually avoided him
    A sign that everyone knows Reform are a sinking ship.
    I think they'll lose first place in at least one poll before May 7th and regularly afterwards
    Which I would be wholeheartedly celebrating except for the remorse that we're likely to see the Greens being in first place if that happens.

    Caught between Scylla and Charybdis with that one.

    Or caught between syphilis and chlamydia.
    The Greens have not broken 15% with any of the BPC pollsters except YG and FoN. They are fourth on polling average.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    The difference being that the Europeans were paying the same fees as the British students, whereas the international students were paying the full cost of the course.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    I'm sorry, I just don't for a second believe that is true. And yes, you live in Dubai (and I sincerely wish you luck!)

    But the fact is most people find the idea of bombs and drones, falling out of the sky, genuinely horrifying, no matter how much evidence you offer that they are statistically more at risk from falling coconuts on a tropical beach (I think that might be true, btw)

    You are different. You've shown it. You went to Ukraine twice, or thrice (like me) during the war You've got cullions of tungsten and you can take a bit of danger

    Most people can't. Moreover, one of the main reason people MOVE to Dubai is "safety". That and the low taxes are in fact the main attractor. It's not the weather. It's very pleasant in winter but for six months you cannot go outside without frying to death

    So these people have lost a massive reason to hang around in Dubai. I would be frankly astonished if lots of them, if they have the choice, are not fleeing ASAP
    The random coconuts on the beach probably isn’t far off. As of now there’s been four civilian casualties in the UAE, a country of 11m people. May they rest in peace.

    Road accident deaths in an average Ramadan would be way higher than that.

    Yeah I’ve been to Ukraine, as have you, and you know that what’s going on there is orders of magnitude worse, with constant sirens and orders to shelter.

    Safety in Dubai is still absolute, it’s always been one of the safest places in the world and that hasn’t significantly changed in the past 10 days.

    The weather is indeed awesome in the winter and crap in the summer, which is why it’s so popular as a tourist destination. Don’t visit here between Easter and October half-term unless you know what to expect. I always laugh at the crazy deals the hotels do here in August, and the Brits that take the bait and turn up not understanding the climate. Awesome for us locals though, getting $1,000 hotel rooms for $200 out of season.

    Yes there’s a few high-profile “millionaires” and “influencers” in Dubai. They’re my customers, and the vast majority of us Brits here are just normal people doing normal jobs earning normal money.
    Good luck, stay strong, and I hope you're right

    I just have less faith in the fortitude and risk analysis of the average human, perhaps
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958
    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    eek said:

    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2031014184419197259

    “Australia is making a terrible humanitarian mistake by allowing the Iran National Woman’s Soccer team to be forced back to Iran, where they will most likely be killed. Don’t do it, Mr. Prime Minister, give ASYLUM. The U.S. will take them if you won’t..." - @POTUS

    All those Iranian players need to decide do we go home or do we stay here and pray our parents and other family members aren’t punished as we didn’t go home.

    As with everything else it’s not as clear cut as Trump makes out
    Perhaps the Iranian regime needs to be taken out once and for all?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003

    https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:utjyvk6axwpvnvnptzptvqoh/post/3mgmmjkp2tc2v


    ‪YouGov‬
    67% of Britons describe themselves as anti-Trump, with Reform UK voters the only group more likely to be pro-Trump than anti

    By 2024 vote
    Lib Dem: 89% anti-Trump / 2% pro-Trump
    Labour: 85% / 3%
    Green: 82% / 4%
    Conservative: 61% / 19%
    Reform UK: 24% / 46%

    How does Farage extricate himself from the orange posterior?
    It's rather ironic Trump actually avoided him
    A sign that everyone knows Reform are a sinking ship.
    I think they'll lose first place in at least one poll before May 7th and regularly afterwards
    Which I would be wholeheartedly celebrating except for the remorse that we're likely to see the Greens being in first place if that happens.

    Caught between Scylla and Charybdis with that one.

    Or caught between syphilis and chlamydia.
    The Greens have not broken 15% with any of the BPC pollsters except YG and FoN. They are fourth on polling average.
    So far that is true, yes.

    However if Reform fall, as I expect they will, that vote has to go somewhere as percentages need to sum to 100%, barring rounding.

    Regrettably, as things stand, a fall in Reform is as likely to go to the Greens as it is anyone else.

    Reform losing first because Greens have gained it is not exactly great progress in restoring sane politics.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,803
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in a snit and founded Citizendium as a competitor. Twenty years ago.
    • Citizendium currently has about 17,000 articles. Sanger believes that articles should be held to a high standard of correctness, written by named individuals, and shepherded in to their final form carefully. This doesn't work
    • Wikipedia currently has 7.1 million English articles. Wales (the founder) believes that articles should be written and corrected via Cunningham's Law, written by people using aliases, and continually evolving. This does work
    I know you're parroting some kind of online right shibboleth about how Wiki is der capturred by woke leftists, but it is bollocks.
    It really really isn't, you twit. It's been analysed and proven multiple times


    See here:

    https://manhattan.institute/article/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    Also here:

    "Is Wikipedia Politically Biased?
    A computational analysis of Wikipedia's content suggests that Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View policy is not achieving its stated goal of impartiality"

    https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    And here:

    "Wikipedia Is More Biased Than Britannica, but Don’t Blame the Crowd"

    https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

    And many other places

    Wiki is still genuinely useful for non controversial topics, but for anything politically explosive it is now so warped as to be near redundant

    This applies to multiple contentious issues, btw, it's not a simple left v right dichotomy
    Yet all journalism is biased - you can’t say that a Telegraph article is unbiased. Heck history is written by the winners
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003
    edited 3:33PM
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in a snit and founded Citizendium as a competitor. Twenty years ago.
    • Citizendium currently has about 17,000 articles. Sanger believes that articles should be held to a high standard of correctness, written by named individuals, and shepherded in to their final form carefully. This doesn't work
    • Wikipedia currently has 7.1 million English articles. Wales (the founder) believes that articles should be written and corrected via Cunningham's Law, written by people using aliases, and continually evolving. This does work
    I know you're parroting some kind of online right shibboleth about how Wiki is der capturred by woke leftists, but it is bollocks.
    It really really isn't, you twit. It's been analysed and proven multiple times


    See here:

    https://manhattan.institute/article/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    Also here:

    "Is Wikipedia Politically Biased?
    A computational analysis of Wikipedia's content suggests that Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View policy is not achieving its stated goal of impartiality"

    https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    And here:

    "Wikipedia Is More Biased Than Britannica, but Don’t Blame the Crowd"

    https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

    And many other places

    Wiki is still genuinely useful for non controversial topics, but for anything politically explosive it is now so warped as to be near redundant

    This applies to multiple contentious issues, btw, it's not a simple left v right dichotomy
    Yet all journalism is biased - you can’t say that a Telegraph article is unbiased. Heck history is written by the winners
    All writing and all speech is biased.

    The idea of unbiased anything is utterly naive.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,447
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2031014184419197259

    “Australia is making a terrible humanitarian mistake by allowing the Iran National Woman’s Soccer team to be forced back to Iran, where they will most likely be killed. Don’t do it, Mr. Prime Minister, give ASYLUM. The U.S. will take them if you won’t..." - @POTUS

    All those Iranian players need to decide do we go home or do we stay here and pray our parents and other family members aren’t punished as we didn’t go home.

    As with everything else it’s not as clear cut as Trump makes out
    Perhaps the Iranian regime needs to be taken out once and for all?
    Maybe have a benefit gig for the IRGC at Tehran's Azadi stadium (capacity 78,000)? IRGC members get free tickets. The game to be kicked off by the new Leader.

    The Americans would probably still rely on AI for the targetting.

    And so hit another girls' school.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,029
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    I'm sorry, I just don't for a second believe that is true. And yes, you live in Dubai (and I sincerely wish you luck!)

    But the fact is most people find the idea of bombs and drones, falling out of the sky, genuinely horrifying, no matter how much evidence you offer that they are statistically more at risk from falling coconuts on a tropical beach (I think that might be true, btw)

    You are different. You've shown it. You went to Ukraine twice, or thrice (like me) during the war You've got cullions of tungsten and you can take a bit of danger

    Most people can't. Moreover, one of the main reason people MOVE to Dubai is "safety". That and the low taxes are in fact the main attractor. It's not the weather. It's very pleasant in winter but for six months you cannot go outside without frying to death

    So these people have lost a massive reason to hang around in Dubai. I would be frankly astonished if lots of them, if they have the choice, are not fleeing ASAP
    The random coconuts on the beach probably isn’t far off. As of now there’s been four civilian casualties in the UAE, a country of 11m people. May they rest in peace.

    Road accident deaths in an average Ramadan would be way higher than that.

    Yeah I’ve been to Ukraine, as have you, and you know that what’s going on there is orders of magnitude worse, with constant sirens and orders to shelter.

    Safety in Dubai is still absolute, it’s always been one of the safest places in the world and that hasn’t significantly changed in the past 10 days.

    The weather is indeed awesome in the winter and crap in the summer, which is why it’s so popular as a tourist destination. Don’t visit here between Easter and October half-term unless you know what to expect. I always laugh at the crazy deals the hotels do here in August, and the Brits that take the bait and turn up not understanding the climate. Awesome for us locals though, getting $1,000 hotel rooms for $200 out of season.

    Yes there’s a few high-profile “millionaires” and “influencers” in Dubai. They’re my customers, and the vast majority of us Brits here are just normal people doing normal jobs earning normal money.
    FWIW, just had a conversation with a colleague who has a friend in Dubai - she reports that signs of war there are almost nonexistent. She notes that many of the reports of catastrophe come from *cough* low-reliability sources.

    It was, of course, always the case that news organisations looked to sensationalise – I remember driving past ITV filming traffic passing a small snowdrift on the A623 in the Peak District, delaying my journey by around 20 seconds as traffic allowed for the narrowing to a single lane, and later seeing a report of ‘gridlock’ and ‘chaos’ illustrated by the (convincingly and artfully shot) footage – and who can forget the very long lenses used to show how crowded beaches were during covid? But at least in the old days there was some sort of relationship with the truth. There is no way any more of knowing whether what we are seeing – especially from some unknown blogger on Twitter, monetised by clicks and with no reputation to lose – isn’t entirely fabricated by AI.

    In retrospect, the era when we could attach some credence to what we were shown was the anomalous one. Those in the seventeenth century would have been as sceptical of a painting of events as we should be now. But it is jarring and disappointing to live through the end of this era.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 985

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in a snit and founded Citizendium as a competitor. Twenty years ago.
    • Citizendium currently has about 17,000 articles. Sanger believes that articles should be held to a high standard of correctness, written by named individuals, and shepherded in to their final form carefully. This doesn't work
    • Wikipedia currently has 7.1 million English articles. Wales (the founder) believes that articles should be written and corrected via Cunningham's Law, written by people using aliases, and continually evolving. This does work
    I know you're parroting some kind of online right shibboleth about how Wiki is der capturred by woke leftists, but it is bollocks.
    It really really isn't, you twit. It's been analysed and proven multiple times


    See here:

    https://manhattan.institute/article/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    Also here:

    "Is Wikipedia Politically Biased?
    A computational analysis of Wikipedia's content suggests that Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View policy is not achieving its stated goal of impartiality"

    https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    And here:

    "Wikipedia Is More Biased Than Britannica, but Don’t Blame the Crowd"

    https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

    And many other places

    Wiki is still genuinely useful for non controversial topics, but for anything politically explosive it is now so warped as to be near redundant

    This applies to multiple contentious issues, btw, it's not a simple left v right dichotomy
    Yet all journalism is biased - you can’t say that a Telegraph article is unbiased. Heck history is written by the winners
    All writing and all speech is biased.

    The idea of unbiased anything is utterly naive.
    So if I say that you appear to be a frequent poster on PB with almost 28K posts, is that biased?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    How are they influencers if they aren't influencing any others to leave?
    Their audience isn’t people in Dubai, it’s mostly in the US or India.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in a snit and founded Citizendium as a competitor. Twenty years ago.
    • Citizendium currently has about 17,000 articles. Sanger believes that articles should be held to a high standard of correctness, written by named individuals, and shepherded in to their final form carefully. This doesn't work
    • Wikipedia currently has 7.1 million English articles. Wales (the founder) believes that articles should be written and corrected via Cunningham's Law, written by people using aliases, and continually evolving. This does work
    I know you're parroting some kind of online right shibboleth about how Wiki is der capturred by woke leftists, but it is bollocks.
    It really really isn't, you twit. It's been analysed and proven multiple times


    See here:

    https://manhattan.institute/article/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    Also here:

    "Is Wikipedia Politically Biased?
    A computational analysis of Wikipedia's content suggests that Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View policy is not achieving its stated goal of impartiality"

    https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    And here:

    "Wikipedia Is More Biased Than Britannica, but Don’t Blame the Crowd"

    https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

    And many other places

    Wiki is still genuinely useful for non controversial topics, but for anything politically explosive it is now so warped as to be near redundant

    This applies to multiple contentious issues, btw, it's not a simple left v right dichotomy
    Yet all journalism is biased - you can’t say that a Telegraph article is unbiased. Heck history is written by the winners
    I wouldn't disagree. Same goes for the Guardian, Times, Mail, Fox, anything

    The difference is just that Wiki really was unbiassed, for a while - that's why Wales and Sanger founded it. They thought that crowd-sourcing and crowd-policing an online encyclopedia would produce something uniquely accurate and objective. It was a Utopian vision, and it worked, for a while

    Until humans worked out how to game it, how they could capture subjects as senior editors, and all that malarkey, and the Wiki dream died

    Likesay, it's still pretty brilliant if you want quick info on the mating rituals of the common eel etc
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,301
    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
    It’s a half billion years ago old organism, emerging from the primordial slime. A massive great Trilobite

    And right behind it is a vulgar gold copper pot, made in Nazi Germany in about 1941. And the copper pot sits on a ceramic trivet, dating from 1914, celebrating the alliance of the British French and Belgians in the Great War

    And the trilobite is resting on a 17th century polychrome delft tile portraying an itinerant piper, which I have sprayed with clear lacquer and adorned with felt feet, turning it into a perfect coaster for my 1780s Georgian amethyst wineglass

    And that’s just one corner of my William IV mahogany writing table

    “Bric a brac”

    Pffff!!
    Doing that to a 17th century tile ought to be punishable by the death penalty
    lol

    Why? I've given it a new purpose. It has a task, a role, a job. Once it was a tile on a wall in Holland of the Golden Age now it is a handsome coaster in north London, several centuries later

    If you were a 350 year old tile, would you rather sit in a museum, being ignored and gathering dust, or be part of human life once more, occasionally being splattered with excellent Rioja but getting to feel truly useful. I've basically reincarnated it
    Using as a coaster is fine but covering it in lacquer seems a bit invasive and unnecessary. Putting lacquer over it messes up the lovely patina which is one of the main joys of owning antiques. If it's a tile then the firing process should mean that it will survive your Rioja just fine anyway. It's a very small step from what you did to slathering Farrow and Ball Mystic Sage over your William IV writing table.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,447
    Dumb and Dumber located in NZ:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1w5yq924j1o
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,928

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyed by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    Larry Sanger left Wikipedia in a snit and founded Citizendium as a competitor. Twenty years ago.
    • Citizendium currently has about 17,000 articles. Sanger believes that articles should be held to a high standard of correctness, written by named individuals, and shepherded in to their final form carefully. This doesn't work
    • Wikipedia currently has 7.1 million English articles. Wales (the founder) believes that articles should be written and corrected via Cunningham's Law, written by people using aliases, and continually evolving. This does work
    I know you're parroting some kind of online right shibboleth about how Wiki is der capturred by woke leftists, but it is bollocks.
    It really really isn't, you twit. It's been analysed and proven multiple times


    See here:

    https://manhattan.institute/article/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    Also here:

    "Is Wikipedia Politically Biased?
    A computational analysis of Wikipedia's content suggests that Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View policy is not achieving its stated goal of impartiality"

    https://davidrozado.substack.com/p/is-wikipedia-politically-biased

    And here:

    "Wikipedia Is More Biased Than Britannica, but Don’t Blame the Crowd"

    https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

    And many other places

    Wiki is still genuinely useful for non controversial topics, but for anything politically explosive it is now so warped as to be near redundant

    This applies to multiple contentious issues, btw, it's not a simple left v right dichotomy
    Yet all journalism is biased - you can’t say that a Telegraph article is unbiased. Heck history is written by the winners
    Yes, but the MSM reporting on this particular Islamist attack on a bunch of anti-Islam protestors is off the charts.

    They’re all trying really hard to reverse the narrative.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,326
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    I'm sorry, I just don't for a second believe that is true. And yes, you live in Dubai (and I sincerely wish you luck!)

    But the fact is most people find the idea of bombs and drones, falling out of the sky, genuinely horrifying, no matter how much evidence you offer that they are statistically more at risk from falling coconuts on a tropical beach (I think that might be true, btw)

    You are different. You've shown it. You went to Ukraine twice, or thrice (like me) during the war You've got cullions of tungsten and you can take a bit of danger

    Most people can't. Moreover, one of the main reason people MOVE to Dubai is "safety". That and the low taxes are in fact the main attractor. It's not the weather. It's very pleasant in winter but for six months you cannot go outside without frying to death

    So these people have lost a massive reason to hang around in Dubai. I would be frankly astonished if lots of them, if they have the choice, are not fleeing ASAP
    The random coconuts on the beach probably isn’t far off. As of now there’s been four civilian casualties in the UAE, a country of 11m people. May they rest in peace.

    Road accident deaths in an average Ramadan would be way higher than that.

    Yeah I’ve been to Ukraine, as have you, and you know that what’s going on there is orders of magnitude worse, with constant sirens and orders to shelter.

    Safety in Dubai is still absolute, it’s always been one of the safest places in the world and that hasn’t significantly changed in the past 10 days.

    The weather is indeed awesome in the winter and crap in the summer, which is why it’s so popular as a tourist destination. Don’t visit here between Easter and October half-term unless you know what to expect. I always laugh at the crazy deals the hotels do here in August, and the Brits that take the bait and turn up not understanding the climate. Awesome for us locals though, getting $1,000 hotel rooms for $200 out of season.

    Yes there’s a few high-profile “millionaires” and “influencers” in Dubai. They’re my customers, and the vast majority of us Brits here are just normal people doing normal jobs earning normal money.
    Good luck, stay strong, and I hope you're right

    I just have less faith in the fortitude and risk analysis of the average human, perhaps
    You're a big girl's blouse?🤣
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,447

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    How do you take the vote off racists?

    Or for that matter, smug liberal bastards?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,326
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2031014184419197259

    “Australia is making a terrible humanitarian mistake by allowing the Iran National Woman’s Soccer team to be forced back to Iran, where they will most likely be killed. Don’t do it, Mr. Prime Minister, give ASYLUM. The U.S. will take them if you won’t..." - @POTUS

    All those Iranian players need to decide do we go home or do we stay here and pray our parents and other family members aren’t punished as we didn’t go home.

    As with everything else it’s not as clear cut as Trump makes out
    Perhaps the Iranian regime needs to be taken out once and for all?
    10 days and counting...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    You'd be wrong.

    Theresa May voted Remain.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    edited 3:42PM
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    I'm sorry, I just don't for a second believe that is true. And yes, you live in Dubai (and I sincerely wish you luck!)

    But the fact is most people find the idea of bombs and drones, falling out of the sky, genuinely horrifying, no matter how much evidence you offer that they are statistically more at risk from falling coconuts on a tropical beach (I think that might be true, btw)

    You are different. You've shown it. You went to Ukraine twice, or thrice (like me) during the war You've got cullions of tungsten and you can take a bit of danger

    Most people can't. Moreover, one of the main reason people MOVE to Dubai is "safety". That and the low taxes are in fact the main attractor. It's not the weather. It's very pleasant in winter but for six months you cannot go outside without frying to death

    So these people have lost a massive reason to hang around in Dubai. I would be frankly astonished if lots of them, if they have the choice, are not fleeing ASAP
    The random coconuts on the beach probably isn’t far off. As of now there’s been four civilian casualties in the UAE, a country of 11m people. May they rest in peace.

    Road accident deaths in an average Ramadan would be way higher than that.

    Yeah I’ve been to Ukraine, as have you, and you know that what’s going on there is orders of magnitude worse, with constant sirens and orders to shelter.

    Safety in Dubai is still absolute, it’s always been one of the safest places in the world and that hasn’t significantly changed in the past 10 days.

    The weather is indeed awesome in the winter and crap in the summer, which is why it’s so popular as a tourist destination. Don’t visit here between Easter and October half-term unless you know what to expect. I always laugh at the crazy deals the hotels do here in August, and the Brits that take the bait and turn up not understanding the climate. Awesome for us locals though, getting $1,000 hotel rooms for $200 out of season.

    Yes there’s a few high-profile “millionaires” and “influencers” in Dubai. They’re my customers, and the vast majority of us Brits here are just normal people doing normal jobs earning normal money.
    Good luck, stay strong, and I hope you're right

    I just have less faith in the fortitude and risk analysis of the average human, perhaps
    You should come here, be the only guy who’s actually making a point of going to Dubai right now. Would be a great story.

    We’ve about a month of good weather left.

    I’ll buy you a beer at Fibber Magee’s Irish Bar.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    edited 3:45PM
    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

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    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Has anyone used the governments new petrol price finder website? Perhaps it also has a code for "no fuel available..."



    Some sites have new functionality...
    Is this going to be like that incident from a few years ago, when a couple of stations in a specific area ran out of petrol, but Radio 5 Live could talk about nothing else for six hours, treating it as a national emergency and setting off panic buying among all the road warriors who spend their days listening to the radio.
    Why should journalists learn from mistakes?
    The US are doing a great job today of proving “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s never enough”

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2030738086116642999

    What actually happened is there was a demonstration outside Mamdani’s official residence, led by a guy who’s best described as an American Tommy Robinson.

    Two jihadis threw bombs into the crowd of demonstrators, which the NYPD have confirmed were viable explosive devices. They were arrested at the scene.

    If you only read the headlines, you’d be pretty sure that the people with the bombs were the people protesting Mamdani. The Mayor’s statement also deliberately confuses the situation.
    The American Tommy Robinson is described by Sky News thus:

    “Mr Lang was previously charged with assaulting an officer with a baseball bat, civil disorder and other crimes before being pardoned as part of President Donald Trump's sweeping act of clemency for defendants connected to the January 6 riots in Washington DC.”

    I guess the difference between the US and the UK is that we don’t pardon Tommy Robinson.
    The problem isn’t that this guy was a moron, he’s clearly a moron, it’s that the media are being very careful to avoid saying that the bombs were from those opposing him.
    No, I think part of the problem is that this guy is a violent nutcase. And part of the problem is that there are some other violent nutcases who chucked a bomb at the first violent nutcase.

    The media taking a bit of time to work out what happened and meanwhile just regurgitating bland police reports… not a huge problem, no.
    Oh dear.

    So the headline is “bomb… far-right protest…. Mamdani residence…”

    The actuality is that far-left Islamists, supporters of the mayor, threw bombs at the right-wing protestors.
    No, the headline in the UK's leading liberal newspaper is:
    "Explosive device thrown outside of Zohran Mamdani’s residence at anti-Islam protest"

    Which is what happened.
    Not 'by' or 'during'. At.
    Which any regular human would think to mean that the anti-Islam protestors threw a bomb at the residence.

    What actually happened is that the protesters were the *victims* of a couple of pro-Mamdani jihadis.

    The headline is technically accurate but factually bollocks.
    Your interpretation of it is technically and factually bollocks.
    It's entirely clear, as is the story below, which doesn't adopt the right wing media habit of burying the essential details in the last paragraph.

    "libsofticktock". Please.
    Really? All “libsoftiktok” has done is pulled headlines from newspapers that are deliberately distorting the incident.
    Is that all libsoftiktok has done? Let's check their Wikipedia page:

    Libs of TikTok is the username of various American anti-LGBTQ[b] and far-right[a] social-media accounts operated by Chaya Raichik (/ˈxɑːjə ˈraɪtʃɪk/ KHAH-yə RY-chik),[10] [...]

    Raichik's posts have resulted in threats, harassment, and doxing perpetuated by her followers against teachers, medical providers, children's hospitals, libraries, LGBTQ venues, and educational facilities.[22][23][24] At least 60 bomb threats have been linked to Libs of TikTok posts.[24][25][26]

    [...]

    On November 20, 2022, Libs of TikTok received renewed media attention following the Colorado Springs nightclub shooting,[116][22][117] a mass killing that took place at an LGBTQ venue in which five people were killed and dozens more were injured. Club Q, the venue targeted by the shooter, frequently hosts drag events, including those advertised to an all-ages audience. The Independent noted that Libs of TikTok often attracts negative attention to such events with her social media accounts and that harassment and threats are often sent by her followers against patrons and performers following her postings.[22] Hours after the shooting, Raichik used her Twitter account to target a "drag organization" in the same state where the massacre took place, underlining the names of two Colorado state legislators, one of whom was trans, for supporting it.[116][118][119] The Advocate criticized the post, saying that: "In the hours after news of the Club Q shooting spread, Raichik, for example, doubled down on her anti-LGBTQ+ messaging by posting about other drag-inclusive events in the state."[120] They drew attention to an interview previously published on their website with Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, in which she stated that social media accounts such as Libs of TikTok practice stochastic terrorism by provoking extremist outrage against marginalized groups, but using "vague language that allows the agitator to deny responsibility for the act".[120]
    Yes, because "Wikipedia" is so famously accurate and unbiased? That's presumably why one of its co-creators has abandoned it, and admits it has been destroyred by leftist editors

    "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html
    It's more accurate and unbiased than most sources you link to.

    I mean, if we're going to have a rule whereby only sources more trustworthy than Wikipedia can be referenced on here it's you and ilk who would be most inconvenienced.
    Do you ever say interesting things? You should try it
    Says the man who posts pictures of his bric a brac.
    It’s a half billion years ago old organism, emerging from the primordial slime. A massive great Trilobite

    And right behind it is a vulgar gold copper pot, made in Nazi Germany in about 1941. And the copper pot sits on a ceramic trivet, dating from 1914, celebrating the alliance of the British French and Belgians in the Great War

    And the trilobite is resting on a 17th century polychrome delft tile portraying an itinerant piper, which I have sprayed with clear lacquer and adorned with felt feet, turning it into a perfect coaster for my 1780s Georgian amethyst wineglass

    And that’s just one corner of my William IV mahogany writing table

    “Bric a brac”

    Pffff!!
    Doing that to a 17th century tile ought to be punishable by the death penalty
    lol

    Why? I've given it a new purpose. It has a task, a role, a job. Once it was a tile on a wall in Holland of the Golden Age now it is a handsome coaster in north London, several centuries later

    If you were a 350 year old tile, would you rather sit in a museum, being ignored and gathering dust, or be part of human life once more, occasionally being splattered with excellent Rioja but getting to feel truly useful. I've basically reincarnated it
    Using as a coaster is fine but covering it in lacquer seems a bit invasive and unnecessary. Putting lacquer over it messes up the lovely patina which is one of the main joys of owning antiques. If it's a tile then the firing process should mean that it will survive your Rioja just fine anyway. It's a very small step from what you did to slathering Farrow and Ball Mystic Sage over your William IV writing table.
    This ignore several factors. One, I want to put hot drinks on these things, or teapots etc. I don't believe a fragile 17th century patina would endure that. The lacquer protects it, but as it is clear you still see all the lovely colours and details of the hand painting

    Also as I've perfected this process - turning antique tiles into coasters (they make brillaint and unique gifts!) I've found better and better lacquers. The last one I did was a manganese Delft tile from the early 18th century. The lacquer actually enhances the tile, it makes it glow and shine. I love it
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    How do you take the vote off racists?

    Or for that matter, smug liberal bastards?
    This is the thanks I get for sticking up for Brexit voters.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,928
    edited 3:46PM

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
    I realise that, but how does one represent the fact that every racist voted Brexit but not every Brexiter is a racist.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,348

    Miliband is a Cnut.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2030905119273816421

    Ministers are discussing the possibility of intervening to protect the public against soaring household energy bills if the Middle East conflict drags on.

    The energy secretary, Ed Miliband, is understood to believe that prices cannot be allowed to rise substantially.

    Where is the money coming from ?
    Hunt in an interview just last week revealed how much Energy Price Guarantee (EPG) cost the UK. £94B the Conservatives spent on it, through borrowing and windfall taxes, but just 9% was covered by Windfall Taxes.

    Conclusion, the Energy Price Bomb from Trump and Kemi’s War of Choice, will be paid for mostly from borrowing, and the new Windfall Taxes.

    Hope this helps answer your question.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,294
    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began


    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,928

    Miliband is a Cnut.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2030905119273816421

    Ministers are discussing the possibility of intervening to protect the public against soaring household energy bills if the Middle East conflict drags on.

    The energy secretary, Ed Miliband, is understood to believe that prices cannot be allowed to rise substantially.

    Where is the money coming from ?
    Hunt in an interview just last week revealed how much Energy Price Guarantee (EPG) cost the UK. £94B the Conservatives spent on it, through borrowing and windfall taxes, but just 9% was covered by Windfall Taxes.

    Conclusion, the Energy Price Bomb from Trump and Kemi’s War of Choice, will be paid for mostly from borrowing, and the new Windfall Taxes.

    Hope this helps answer your question.
    Hunt is a big fan of Kemi's war too.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
    I realise that, but how does one represent the fact that every racist voted Brexit but not every Brexiter is a racist.
    You can't.

    The intersection of Voted Remain and Racist is not a null set.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,958

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
    I realise that, but how does one represent the fact that every racist voted Brexit but not every Brexiter is a racist.
    I said 'most' not 'every'.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,000
    edited 3:49PM
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Dubai Latest

    "Moved to Dubai a month ago…

    "Then two drones exploded next to our building, I was listed #3 on the UAE public prosecutor’s list for “publishing illegal content” (the video of the Fairmont on fire that got 1.7m views) resulting in my X account being banned across the country, followed by another week of hiding in the basement due to constant barrages of missiles and drones.

    "Then a couple days ago after Marina 23 and the airport got hit I decided we’ve pushed our luck far enough.

    "Made our way over the border into Oman the night before last and flew out this morning.

    "Good luck to everyone in the GCC. But if you have the means to get out – I suggest you do so. Don’t FAFO."

    https://x.com/ElonTrades/status/2030929933682262280?s=20

    LOL, need to monetise the clicks, likes, and shares.

    No-one who isn’t an ‘influencer’ is leaving Dubai right now.
    I'm sorry, I just don't for a second believe that is true. And yes, you live in Dubai (and I sincerely wish you luck!)

    But the fact is most people find the idea of bombs and drones, falling out of the sky, genuinely horrifying, no matter how much evidence you offer that they are statistically more at risk from falling coconuts on a tropical beach (I think that might be true, btw)

    You are different. You've shown it. You went to Ukraine twice, or thrice (like me) during the war You've got cullions of tungsten and you can take a bit of danger

    Most people can't. Moreover, one of the main reason people MOVE to Dubai is "safety". That and the low taxes are in fact the main attractor. It's not the weather. It's very pleasant in winter but for six months you cannot go outside without frying to death

    So these people have lost a massive reason to hang around in Dubai. I would be frankly astonished if lots of them, if they have the choice, are not fleeing ASAP
    The random coconuts on the beach probably isn’t far off. As of now there’s been four civilian casualties in the UAE, a country of 11m people. May they rest in peace.

    Road accident deaths in an average Ramadan would be way higher than that.

    Yeah I’ve been to Ukraine, as have you, and you know that what’s going on there is orders of magnitude worse, with constant sirens and orders to shelter.

    Safety in Dubai is still absolute, it’s always been one of the safest places in the world and that hasn’t significantly changed in the past 10 days.

    The weather is indeed awesome in the winter and crap in the summer, which is why it’s so popular as a tourist destination. Don’t visit here between Easter and October half-term unless you know what to expect. I always laugh at the crazy deals the hotels do here in August, and the Brits that take the bait and turn up not understanding the climate. Awesome for us locals though, getting $1,000 hotel rooms for $200 out of season.

    Yes there’s a few high-profile “millionaires” and “influencers” in Dubai. They’re my customers, and the vast majority of us Brits here are just normal people doing normal jobs earning normal money.
    Good luck, stay strong, and I hope you're right

    I just have less faith in the fortitude and risk analysis of the average human, perhaps
    You should come here, be the only guy who’s actually making a point of going to Dubai right now. Would be a great story.

    We’ve about a month of good weather left.

    I’ll buy you a beer at Fibber Magee’s Irish Bar.
    A generous offer which I'd happily take up - but must decline. Not coz I'm scared of drones and bombs - I've lingered calmly on an Odessa balcony, wine glass in hand, and watched as the Ukrainians shot down Russian drones 300 metres away from my hotel - and much else

    No what puts me off is the fact I've already been travelling hard for two solid months - Thailand, Cambodia, Taiwan, China - and frankly I'm glad to be home. With my Delft tiles, my patriotic Ulster linen tea towels, and my disturbingly eerie new Trilobite
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began


    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 234

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
    I realise that, but how does one represent the fact that every racist voted Brexit but not every Brexiter is a racist.
    You can’t “account for the fact” until you’ve established it’s a fact. “Most racists voted Brexit” is at least plausible. “Every racist voted Brexit” is a claim that needs evidence, and it’s almost certainly false on sheer common sense (racists aren’t a monolith and plenty of them don’t vote at all).

    The diagram you’re reaching for is: Racists overlap heavily with Brexit voters, but neither set fully contains the other. Big overlap ≠ total inclusion.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,928

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
    I realise that, but how does one represent the fact that every racist voted Brexit but not every Brexiter is a racist.
    I said 'most' not 'every'.
    No I said every and I am trying to fit that into a Venn diagram.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,432
    Apparently Kemi and Boris had a private meeting today.....

    Boris for London?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,003
    edited 3:52PM

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
    I realise that, but how does one represent the fact that every racist voted Brexit but not every Brexiter is a racist.
    I said 'most' not 'every'.
    No I said every and I am trying to fit that into a Venn diagram.

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    A new analysis finds that Brexit raised the number of foreign-born workers in the UK by about 200,000, but resulted in a more dramatic shift in the countries of origin.

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/impact-brexit-immigration-uk

    Yep with Europeans no longer coming the intake was unsurprisingly more coloured
    Nothing wrong with that at all, unless you're a racist.
    The irony is that most people who voted for Brexit are
    Most people who voted for Brexit are not racists. But most racists voted for Brexit.
    I am trying to picture the associated Venn diagram. I am envisioning a smaller circle marked racist completely subsumed into a larger circle marked Brexit.
    That's not a Venn diagram, which by construction never has one circle fully enclosed in another.
    I realise that, but how does one represent the fact that every racist voted Brexit but not every Brexiter is a racist.
    I said 'most' not 'every'.
    No I said every and I am trying to fit that into a Venn diagram.
    The way you would do that on a Venn diagram is leaving the intersection of Remain and Racist as a null set.

    But you would be wrong.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,471

    Miliband is a Cnut.

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2030905119273816421

    Ministers are discussing the possibility of intervening to protect the public against soaring household energy bills if the Middle East conflict drags on.

    The energy secretary, Ed Miliband, is understood to believe that prices cannot be allowed to rise substantially.

    Where is the money coming from ?
    Hunt in an interview just last week revealed how much Energy Price Guarantee (EPG) cost the UK. £94B the Conservatives spent on it, through borrowing and windfall taxes, but just 9% was covered by Windfall Taxes.

    Conclusion, the Energy Price Bomb from Trump and Kemi’s War of Choice, will be paid for mostly from borrowing, and the new Windfall Taxes.

    Hope this helps answer your question.
    You lost me on Kemi's war of choice nonsense

    Kemi did not start this war but we have to protect our interests including the RAF in the arena

    It will be paid by everyone being poorer but just as the Ukraine spike the government will be in the public's cross hairs
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