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  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,136

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    Israel are fully entitled to fight Hezbollah, who chose to start the fighting there.

    The Lebanese government have said they wish to disarm and remove Hezbollah to end this violence.

    Of course Iran has funded Hezbollah to the tune of billions.

    If you want peace for Lebanon, you should want Israel to defeat the Islamic Republic, to destroy the sponsor of Hezbollah and to end the cycle of violence.
    Unbelievable

    There will hopefully be a day or reckoning for such barbarity
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    Anyway the debate is understandably heated, but I cannot believe any of us want this to continue no matter who we think is to blame
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,748
    MattW said:

    Lordy. The state of my MP Lee Anderson. He is cross about MPs promoting dancing for health, since it is Angela Rippon probably for old people like him:

    Dancing in Parliament.

    Reform UK MP Lee Anderson told the Daily Mail: 'I walked into Portcullis House this morning and thought I'd walked straight into Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' video.

    'Whilst the world is on the brink of World War Three, these dancing MPs have made it quite clear that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

    'At least we've got a 5 per cent pay rise to look forward to,' Mr Anderson added, in a reference to the inflation-busting salary hike that MPs will get in April.

    https://x.com/IsabelOakeshott/status/2029502746206835192

    I checked and the Mail does not seem to have put its many young women in cleavage or bikinis into mourning for the duration.


    Plenty of people across the political divide have criticised it. From Reform to the Far Left.

    But, hey, Reform eh.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,411

    murali_s said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    So the public basically agrees with what the government is doing, while also thinking they're doing it badly. They can't win.
    Incidentally I think the way the official opposition is behaving during this national crisis is nothing short of scandalous.

    That's because he can't give a straight message. Most people don't know what Starmers position is. I certainly don't. All we know is that he's not as far up Trumps backside as he usually is
    Anyway not important. The Greens have caqptured the ground most of the public support. Don't touch Trump's adventurism with a bargepole. No ifs no buts. Nuance is not what people want. Do you want to slaughter people for Trump and Netanyahu. Yes or No.?
    Explain how the slaughter of 40,000 of it's own people by the Iranian regime are any better
    It's not, but nobody's suggesting we support Iranian regime in its slaughter.
    Everyone opposing deposing the Iranian regime is supporting leaving them in place to continue their slaughter.

    You can't just wash your hands of the evil.

    As John Stuart Mill said - Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
    The quickest way to peace in the Middle East is regime change in Israel.

    The quickest way to peace in the World is a missile attack on the US Republican Convention

    Sadly innocents would die, but a lot lot less than if these morons continue their bloodlust
    In the view of Yair Lipid, the opposition leader, tonight he is fully behind Netanyahu and Israel as a country is united in this fight

    Also report from Tel Aviv everyone is on the same page against Iran
    That just confirms that Israel is a pariah nation. There is little / no love for Israel across the World. A country that commits war crimes and break international norms and conventions on a whim.
    And Iran ?
    I ran so far awaaahahay.

    I just ran, I ran all night and day

    I couldn't get away.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,748

    Anyway the debate is understandably heated, but I cannot believe any of us want this to continue no matter who we think is to blame

    Bart will offer a view after he’s got back from the shops. Needs some more Kleenex for his priapic state since this started.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,136

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854
    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    Your anti-Trumpism is getting rather tiresome.
    No it isn't. Trump is getting rather tiresome.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,748
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    Israel are fully entitled to fight Hezbollah, who chose to start the fighting there.

    The Lebanese government have said they wish to disarm and remove Hezbollah to end this violence.

    Of course Iran has funded Hezbollah to the tune of billions.

    If you want peace for Lebanon, you should want Israel to defeat the Islamic Republic, to destroy the sponsor of Hezbollah and to end the cycle of violence.
    Unbelievable

    There will hopefully be a day or reckoning for such barbarity
    Of course there won’t be. The ICJ just targets African warlords and East Europeans. The US and Israel will never be held to account so they do what they want.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,690

    Someone has to tell the public the truth. We need to rearm and that is going to involve cuts to all sorts of other departments but especially stuff like the Triple bloody lock.

    The party is over.

    Borrow George Osborne's old slogan, "we're all in it together," and basically do everything - increase income tax, tax property wealth, bin the triple lock, cut welfare spending, merge NI & income tax.

    You'd have enough money then to fund Defence, still be able to fund infrastructure investment, and close the budget deficit (so that when the next crisis hits there's the headroom to borrow to get through the crisis).

    The longer action is put off the more exposed Britain is going to find itself. It's already very late in the day.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    So the public basically agrees with what the government is doing, while also thinking they're doing it badly. They can't win.
    Incidentally I think the way the official opposition is behaving during this national crisis is nothing short of scandalous.

    That's because he can't give a straight message. Most people don't know what Starmers position is. I certainly don't. All we know is that he's not as far up Trumps backside as he usually is
    Anyway not important. The Greens have caqptured the ground most of the public support. Don't touch Trump's adventurism with a bargepole. No ifs no buts. Nuance is not what people want. Do you want to slaughter people for Trump and Netanyahu. Yes or No.?
    Explain how the slaughter of 40,000 of it's own people by the Iranian regime are any better
    PB Tories are very black and white.

    No one with any morality is supportive of the Islamic Revolutionary regime, but Bibi's body count is catching them up.
    Don't support the regime, just don't want anything done to remove them from power?

    Care to address the point by John Stuart Mill raised earlier?
    Or Thomas Hobbes 'Life is short nasty and brutish" when Bibi is the Prime Minister of Israel.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,372

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    So the public basically agrees with what the government is doing, while also thinking they're doing it badly. They can't win.
    Incidentally I think the way the official opposition is behaving during this national crisis is nothing short of scandalous.

    That's because he can't give a straight message. Most people don't know what Starmers position is. I certainly don't. All we know is that he's not as far up Trumps backside as he usually is
    Anyway not important. The Greens have caqptured the ground most of the public support. Don't touch Trump's adventurism with a bargepole. No ifs no buts. Nuance is not what people want. Do you want to slaughter people for Trump and Netanyahu. Yes or No.?
    Explain how the slaughter of 40,000 of it's own people by the Iranian regime are any better
    It's not, but nobody's suggesting we support Iranian regime in its slaughter.
    Everyone opposing deposing the Iranian regime is supporting leaving them in place to continue their slaughter.

    You can't just wash your hands of the evil.

    As John Stuart Mill said - Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
    The quickest way to peace in the Middle East is regime change in Israel.

    The quickest way to peace in the World is a missile attack on the US Republican Convention

    Sadly innocents would die, but a lot lot less than if these morons continue their bloodlust
    In the view of Yair Lipid, the opposition leader, tonight he is fully behind Netanyahu and Israel as a country is united in this fight

    Also report from Tel Aviv everyone is on the same page against Iran

    In fact name anyone who supports Iran other than Russia
    So what

    Barbarism
    Mass Murder

    Is mass murder andvbarbarism whoever does it.

    Your defence of American and Israeli aggression is hypocritical if you don't accept it's no different to Iran or Russia.

    Don't try and plead it's defensive?

    Give that bastard Netanyahu an inch and hell take a thousand miles.

    He is the most dangerous man on the planet bar none.
    It is defensive.

    Hamas triggered the war in Gaza. Its their fault people died in the crossfire. Iran funded Hamas. All the deaths in Gaza are ultimately Iran's responsibility.

    Iran meanwhile slaughters unarmed innocents in cold blood without provocation.

    If you can't discern the difference, it is because your moral compass is broken.
    Iran funded Hamas but so, don't forget, did Israel. Few things are straightforward in Middle East realpolitik. And for another thing, Netanyahu the hardliner is a moderate pragmatist compared with some.

    That said, of course the Iran regime over the last decades is evil, exporting war and terror, suppressing their own population and slaughtering those seeking a better way. We must hope this intervention leads to a happier, prosperous and above all peaceful Iran, and Middle East generally, but there is no sign of a plan for that.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,690

    Noem fired/given new job

    To be replaced with Markwayne Mullin. He could only be American with a name like that.
    Is that the Mark Wayne who insists it's not a war with Iran, while saying it is a war?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,091

    murali_s said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    So the public basically agrees with what the government is doing, while also thinking they're doing it badly. They can't win.
    Incidentally I think the way the official opposition is behaving during this national crisis is nothing short of scandalous.

    That's because he can't give a straight message. Most people don't know what Starmers position is. I certainly don't. All we know is that he's not as far up Trumps backside as he usually is
    Anyway not important. The Greens have caqptured the ground most of the public support. Don't touch Trump's adventurism with a bargepole. No ifs no buts. Nuance is not what people want. Do you want to slaughter people for Trump and Netanyahu. Yes or No.?
    Explain how the slaughter of 40,000 of it's own people by the Iranian regime are any better
    It's not, but nobody's suggesting we support Iranian regime in its slaughter.
    Everyone opposing deposing the Iranian regime is supporting leaving them in place to continue their slaughter.

    You can't just wash your hands of the evil.

    As John Stuart Mill said - Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
    The quickest way to peace in the Middle East is regime change in Israel.

    The quickest way to peace in the World is a missile attack on the US Republican Convention

    Sadly innocents would die, but a lot lot less than if these morons continue their bloodlust
    In the view of Yair Lipid, the opposition leader, tonight he is fully behind Netanyahu and Israel as a country is united in this fight

    Also report from Tel Aviv everyone is on the same page against Iran
    That just confirms that Israel is a pariah nation. There is little / no love for Israel across the World. A country that commits war crimes and break international norms and conventions on a whim.
    And Iran ?
    Not a fan of Iran too but I was mentioning Israel. Big_G, you’re behaving like my six year old son when I tell him off, he mentions all his friends who he thinks are more naughty than himself. You two are birds of a feather, I tell you!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,909
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    Israel are fully entitled to fight Hezbollah, who chose to start the fighting there.

    The Lebanese government have said they wish to disarm and remove Hezbollah to end this violence.

    Of course Iran has funded Hezbollah to the tune of billions.

    If you want peace for Lebanon, you should want Israel to defeat the Islamic Republic, to destroy the sponsor of Hezbollah and to end the cycle of violence.
    Unbelievable

    There will hopefully be a day or reckoning for such barbarity
    There was one, last Saturday, for Khamenei.

    Hopefully we are there now for the rest of the barbaric regime he helped build too.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish and all power to Israel and America at delivering this vastly-deserved day of reckoning.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    edited 6:53PM
    IanB2 said:

    After some cracking competition in today’s agility competitions, this evening we have the judging for the working and pastoral dog categories.

    I am sure you find great pleasure in your love of dogs

    Our family all have dogs, or have had dogs, and the affection and pleasure they give is a wondeful therapy to life

    My late father used to say, 'the more you see of people the more you like your dog'
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,903

    Noem fired/given new job

    Dog warden?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,652
    So only Conservatives and Reform voters have any bollocks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,909
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    So the public basically agrees with what the government is doing, while also thinking they're doing it badly. They can't win.
    Incidentally I think the way the official opposition is behaving during this national crisis is nothing short of scandalous.

    That's because he can't give a straight message. Most people don't know what Starmers position is. I certainly don't. All we know is that he's not as far up Trumps backside as he usually is
    Anyway not important. The Greens have caqptured the ground most of the public support. Don't touch Trump's adventurism with a bargepole. No ifs no buts. Nuance is not what people want. Do you want to slaughter people for Trump and Netanyahu. Yes or No.?
    Explain how the slaughter of 40,000 of it's own people by the Iranian regime are any better
    It's not, but nobody's suggesting we support Iranian regime in its slaughter.
    Everyone opposing deposing the Iranian regime is supporting leaving them in place to continue their slaughter.

    You can't just wash your hands of the evil.

    As John Stuart Mill said - Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
    The quickest way to peace in the Middle East is regime change in Israel.

    The quickest way to peace in the World is a missile attack on the US Republican Convention

    Sadly innocents would die, but a lot lot less than if these morons continue their bloodlust
    In the view of Yair Lipid, the opposition leader, tonight he is fully behind Netanyahu and Israel as a country is united in this fight

    Also report from Tel Aviv everyone is on the same page against Iran
    That just confirms that Israel is a pariah nation. There is little / no love for Israel across the World. A country that commits war crimes and break international norms and conventions on a whim.
    And Iran ?
    Not a fan of Iran too but I was mentioning Israel. Big_G, you’re behaving like my six year old son when I tell him off, he mentions all his friends who he thinks are more naughty than himself. You two are birds of a feather, I tell you!
    Because Israel has done absolutely nothing wrong. It has defended itself, after it was attacked, and sought to fight its enemies that have attacked it - as literally all nations are entitled to do.

    Iran on the other hand has slaughtered tens of thousands of peaceful protestors in cold blood, something Israel has never done.

    Iran has funded Hamas (that triggered the Gaza war) and Hezbollah (that triggered the war in Lebanon) to the tune of billions.

    If you want peace in the Middle East, support Israel to win its war against Iran.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,652
    MelonB said:

    This polling illustrates Starmer’s triangulation issue. The Green and Reform/Con opinion is negative but for different reasons. Greens because they think Starmer is a Zionist warmonger, RefCon because they don’t think he’s sucking up to Trump enough. So that’s already a large proportion of the electorate.

    And then the Labour and Lib Dem numbers aren’t great either.

    Just to be clear: this isn't about Trump.

    It's very telling of your politics if you think it is.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    edited 6:56PM

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    It will get him a few days in the sin bin, which is a shame. Only Roger and Mexican't left to fly the flag for non-Consevatives.
    I hope not notwithstanding our disagreements

    I did not flag it
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
    Rsc might have relaxed the rule after he went rogue over, I can't remember who, maybe RFK.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,652

    Burmah won the game there for India.

    A bit like in 1945.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    So the public basically agrees with what the government is doing, while also thinking they're doing it badly. They can't win.
    Incidentally I think the way the official opposition is behaving during this national crisis is nothing short of scandalous.

    That's because he can't give a straight message. Most people don't know what Starmers position is. I certainly don't. All we know is that he's not as far up Trumps backside as he usually is
    Anyway not important. The Greens have caqptured the ground most of the public support. Don't touch Trump's adventurism with a bargepole. No ifs no buts. Nuance is not what people want. Do you want to slaughter people for Trump and Netanyahu. Yes or No.?
    Explain how the slaughter of 40,000 of it's own people by the Iranian regime are any better
    It's not, but nobody's suggesting we support Iranian regime in its slaughter.
    Everyone opposing deposing the Iranian regime is supporting leaving them in place to continue their slaughter.

    You can't just wash your hands of the evil.

    As John Stuart Mill said - Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
    The quickest way to peace in the Middle East is regime change in Israel.

    The quickest way to peace in the World is a missile attack on the US Republican Convention

    Sadly innocents would die, but a lot lot less than if these morons continue their bloodlust
    In the view of Yair Lipid, the opposition leader, tonight he is fully behind Netanyahu and Israel as a country is united in this fight

    Also report from Tel Aviv everyone is on the same page against Iran
    That just confirms that Israel is a pariah nation. There is little / no love for Israel across the World. A country that commits war crimes and break international norms and conventions on a whim.
    And Iran ?
    Not a fan of Iran too but I was mentioning Israel. Big_G, you’re behaving like my six year old son when I tell him off, he mentions all his friends who he thinks are more naughty than himself. You two are birds of a feather, I tell you!
    At 82 nobody tells me off other than my beloved wife of 86 !!!!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854

    Noem fired/given new job

    Leaving to spend more time with her family?

    Or less time with Corey Lewandowski.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,149

    DavidL said:

    So, we get to the end of the Covid Inquiry: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98qq8y6235o

    Was it worth £200m? What did we learn? What sets us up better for the future?

    My conclusion was not much and nothing. Others will disagree. They will think that it was useful to hold the powerful to account and to be seen to do so in the hope that those in charge next time are more careful. They might point at the poignant stories told by the victims and those who suffered loss. I am just not seeing it.

    To me, this Inquiry, and so many recent inquiries, are too focused on the politics. They are obsessed with what could have been done differently with the benefits of hindsight. There was not enough focus on the future. How do we make better decisions? More experts or fewer? A wider range of voices or a clear direction? How do we correct mistakes in real time, make it easier for those in charge to change course?

    I don't see the answers from this £200m. It wasn't a good use of money.

    I can't even read the detail about it all now I am so angry these days about what a complete waste of time and opportunity this was.

    We don't have answers to any of the serious questions and seem to have concluded we would do it all again only starting two weeks earlier.
    Agreed. From those parts I watched on the Inquiry's YouTube channel, it seemed mostly concerned with gossip about who decided what when. The inquiry should have been laser-focussed on next time, when the vector will almost certainly be different and the people definitely will be.
    I’m not aware if we held similar inquiries after WW2 but I doubt Bomber Harris was questioned by the RAF aircrew for justice group. I’m sorry people died, and some were avoidable but making the inquiries all about why far Ron died in May 2020 did nothing to prepare for the coming MERS outbreak in 2027…
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,136
    The sheer hypocricy of Right Wing Media labelling a proud Jew whose father escaped the Gas Chambers as anti semitic for standing up to the Zionist Barbarians in Tel Aviv and Washington is beyond parody.

    Thank God for Miliband, Thornberry and others who stand up for their faith but stand up to the barbarian Zionists who tar and tarnish it.

    Kemikazie and Farage and their bloodthirsty morons should take note and learn some history.

    May Israel and all it's peace living majority be rid of these Fascists asap
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,314

    So only Conservatives and Reform voters have any bollocks.

    The nation has lost its mojo. We're a beaten people at the moment, so desperate not to lose what little we have that we're afraid of actually taking any risks.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,462
    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,176
    He’s moved the vile dog killer to some ridiculously named new dept .

    From the BBC .

    He added that Noem will now shift to a newly established position, the Special Envoy for The Shield of the Americas, which Trump said was a "new Security Initiative in the Western Hemisphere"
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,692
    So how many GPs are going to be missed because of this war? I'm guessing at least five: Bahrain, Saudi, Qatar, Abu Dhabi, Azerbaijan.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,136

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
    I never use that word it is a vile word, my contempt for certain barbaric people left me lost for other words

    I apologise for anyone decent offended by it. Bartholomew excepted
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,091

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    So the public basically agrees with what the government is doing, while also thinking they're doing it badly. They can't win.
    Incidentally I think the way the official opposition is behaving during this national crisis is nothing short of scandalous.

    That's because he can't give a straight message. Most people don't know what Starmers position is. I certainly don't. All we know is that he's not as far up Trumps backside as he usually is
    Anyway not important. The Greens have caqptured the ground most of the public support. Don't touch Trump's adventurism with a bargepole. No ifs no buts. Nuance is not what people want. Do you want to slaughter people for Trump and Netanyahu. Yes or No.?
    Explain how the slaughter of 40,000 of it's own people by the Iranian regime are any better
    It's not, but nobody's suggesting we support Iranian regime in its slaughter.
    Everyone opposing deposing the Iranian regime is supporting leaving them in place to continue their slaughter.

    You can't just wash your hands of the evil.

    As John Stuart Mill said - Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
    The quickest way to peace in the Middle East is regime change in Israel.

    The quickest way to peace in the World is a missile attack on the US Republican Convention

    Sadly innocents would die, but a lot lot less than if these morons continue their bloodlust
    In the view of Yair Lipid, the opposition leader, tonight he is fully behind Netanyahu and Israel as a country is united in this fight

    Also report from Tel Aviv everyone is on the same page against Iran
    That just confirms that Israel is a pariah nation. There is little / no love for Israel across the World. A country that commits war crimes and break international norms and conventions on a whim.
    And Iran ?
    Not a fan of Iran too but I was mentioning Israel. Big_G, you’re behaving like my six year old son when I tell him off, he mentions all his friends who he thinks are more naughty than himself. You two are birds of a feather, I tell you!
    Because Israel has done absolutely nothing wrong. It has defended itself, after it was attacked, and sought to fight its enemies that have attacked it - as literally all nations are entitled to do.

    Iran on the other hand has slaughtered tens of thousands of peaceful protestors in cold blood, something Israel has never done.

    Iran has funded Hamas (that triggered the Gaza war) and Hezbollah (that triggered the war in Lebanon) to the tune of billions.

    If you want peace in the Middle East, support Israel to win its war against Iran.
    No thanks!

    I will not support a pariah nation who breaks all international norms and regulations.

    The attack on Gaza is one of the biggest war crimes in recent history. Tens of thousands of innocent civilians were murdered by the Israeli regime. It’s akin to the UK carpet bombing Dublin after the IRA attacks. Utterly, utterly disgraceful. That’s why Israel is perceived as being a pariah nation across most of the globe.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854
    edited 7:05PM
    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Barty Bobbins is that you?

    I'll ask you what I have often asked Bart. How many innocent collateral casualties are acceptable?

    Life is cheap for PB Tories.

    Utterly ridiculous. Particularly as Trump swings from regime change to no regime change on a daily basis. Apparently he accidentally killed several of his preferred replacements.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,232
    Restore have picked up a Tory defector on Cleveland council. Odd choice.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,749
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,493
    edited 7:09PM
    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    And the winner is.....Viking the Tibetan Mastiff, who will have his second shot at Best in Show on Sunday evening. In runner up, the young Rotweiler, only recently a puppy.
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 838
    Amazing that two of our five largest political parties are now pretty overt at putting US interests above UK interests because that's the way to get lucative gigs once their political careers have crashed and burned.

    Not exactly wonderful is it?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,519

    Noem fired/given new job

    To be replaced with Markwayne Mullin. He could only be American with a name like that.
    Is that the Mark Wayne who insists it's not a war with Iran, while saying it is a war?
    Special election in Okie?

    Gotta be a Dem win.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    Brixian59 said:

    The sheer hypocricy of Right Wing Media labelling a proud Jew whose father escaped the Gas Chambers as anti semitic for standing up to the Zionist Barbarians in Tel Aviv and Washington is beyond parody.

    Thank God for Miliband, Thornberry and others who stand up for their faith but stand up to the barbarian Zionists who tar and tarnish it.

    Kemikazie and Farage and their bloodthirsty morons should take note and learn some history.

    May Israel and all it's peace living majority be rid of these Fascists asap

    As I have said Israel is united tonight after the leader of the opposition backs Netanyahu
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,459
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Lordy. The state of my MP Lee Anderson. He is cross about MPs promoting dancing for health, since it is Angela Rippon probably for old people like him:

    Dancing in Parliament.

    Reform UK MP Lee Anderson told the Daily Mail: 'I walked into Portcullis House this morning and thought I'd walked straight into Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' video.

    'Whilst the world is on the brink of World War Three, these dancing MPs have made it quite clear that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

    'At least we've got a 5 per cent pay rise to look forward to,' Mr Anderson added, in a reference to the inflation-busting salary hike that MPs will get in April.

    https://x.com/IsabelOakeshott/status/2029502746206835192

    I checked and the Mail does not seem to have put its many young women in cleavage or bikinis into mourning for the duration.


    Plenty of people across the political divide have criticised it. From Reform to the Far Left.

    But, hey, Reform eh.
    In this case Lee Anderson !!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,519
    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Madness.

    Utter madness.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,411

    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Barty Bobbins is that you?

    I'll ask you what I have often asked Bart. How many innocent collateral casualties are acceptable?

    Life is cheap for PB Tories.

    Utterly ridiculous. Particularly as Trump swings from regime change to no regime change on a daily basis. Apparently he accidentally killed several of his preferred replacements.
    Bit of a sweeping statement.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,462
    How unfortunate.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/05/farage-aide-loses-550000-betting-on-iran-war/

    "A key aide to Nigel Farage is nursing significant losses after losing a bet on the timing of America’s military strike on Iran.

    George Cottrell, an aristocratic banker, convicted fraudster and backer of the Reform UK leader, lost $550,000 (£411,000) last month after placing a wager on the Polymarket trading platform that the US would not bomb the Middle Eastern country.

    Polymarket is part of a new breed of so-called “prediction markets” that allow users to place “yes-no” bets on a range of topics, from politics and sports to the weather.

    Mr Cottrell, 32, is understood to have placed a “no” bet on the question of whether the US would strike Iran.

    He bet “no” to the question, “US strikes Iran by February 28, 2026?”, wagering around $550,000 on the outcome.

    His stake was wiped out when America hit Iran on Feb 28, according to Polymarket data."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,519
    As an example of why this war is f*cking madness. Here is a vid of the War Department Chief


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    23m
    I know we're all supposed to shrug at this stuff now, and say "It's just Trump being Trump". But this is the official White House account. During a major war, in which US servicemen and women are dying.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2029629165281165316
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854
    edited 7:10PM

    Restore have picked up a Tory defector on Cleveland council. Odd choice.

    We got the two promised Labourites to Reform from Newham earlier. Labour not performativity cruel enough to immigrants apparently. Not that you'd know
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,885
    IanB2 said:

    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    Do people bet on these competitions? Asking out of interest because I've no idea.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
    I never use that word it is a vile word, my contempt for certain barbaric people left me lost for other words

    I apologise for anyone decent offended by it. Bartholomew excepted
    It is the moderators you need to apologise to
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,411
    Trump on Noem and Mullin.

    “before noting that she would become the special envoy for the “Shield of the Americas” – a new “security initiative” that he plans to announce this week in Doral, Florida with Latin American leaders.

    Trump announced that he was nominating Republican senator Markywayne Mullin to be the new homeland security secretary.

    “A MAGA Warrior, and former undefeated professional MMA fighter, Markwayne truly gets along well with people, and knows the Wisdom and Courage required to Advance our America First Agenda,” the president said of the Oklahoma lawmaker.

    The names of their operations, organisations and the CVs required “undefeated professional MMA fighter” along with Hesgeth’s risible utterances make me think that maybe, just maybe, everyone in the administration grew up watching Jean Claude Van Dam, Steven Segal and Chuck Norris films.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,493
    IanB2 said:

    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    And the winner is.....Viking the Tibetan Mastiff, who will have his second shot at Best in Show on Sunday evening. In runner up, the young Rotweiler, only recently a puppy.

    In third, the Doberman, in fourth, the Great Dane
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854

    Noem fired/given new job

    Dog warden?
    Goat* herder?

    * The goat met a similar end to the puppy.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,430
    Andy_JS said:

    How unfortunate.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/05/farage-aide-loses-550000-betting-on-iran-war/

    "A key aide to Nigel Farage is nursing significant losses after losing a bet on the timing of America’s military strike on Iran.

    George Cottrell, an aristocratic banker, convicted fraudster and backer of the Reform UK leader, lost $550,000 (£411,000) last month after placing a wager on the Polymarket trading platform that the US would not bomb the Middle Eastern country.

    Polymarket is part of a new breed of so-called “prediction markets” that allow users to place “yes-no” bets on a range of topics, from politics and sports to the weather.

    Mr Cottrell, 32, is understood to have placed a “no” bet on the question of whether the US would strike Iran.

    He bet “no” to the question, “US strikes Iran by February 28, 2026?”, wagering around $550,000 on the outcome.

    His stake was wiped out when America hit Iran on Feb 28, according to Polymarket data."

    Depends if he's up or down over his betting career...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,212

    Someone has to tell the public the truth. We need to rearm and that is going to involve cuts to all sorts of other departments but especially stuff like the Triple bloody lock.

    The party is over.

    Borrow George Osborne's old slogan, "we're all in it together," and basically do everything - increase income tax, tax property wealth, bin the triple lock, cut welfare spending, merge NI & income tax.

    You'd have enough money then to fund Defence, still be able to fund infrastructure investment, and close the budget deficit (so that when the next crisis hits there's the headroom to borrow to get through the crisis).

    The longer action is put off the more exposed Britain is going to find itself. It's already very late in the day.
    That's not how politics works.

    It either requires ALL parties to be honest or none, there's no middle ground. That includes Reform by the way.

    Now, within that broad approach, we can debate how much to raise taxes, what kind of property wealth tax (Land value taxation for example) we could implement and what kind of "cuts" we would need and that would be reasonable.You would get some parties favouring more taxes and keeping spending while others would look to reduce tax rises and enhance spending cuts but it would have to be spelt out by all parties what their plans are.

    What we can't have is promises of tax cuts, more spending and a vague comment about it all being funded by "efficiency savings" and if the national Conservative offering is anything like what the Welsh Conservatives are offering in the Senedd elections, Badenoch will be put under a lot of criticism and rightly so.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,759
    Ice Barbie is now taking a victory lap on TV after getting fired.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,493
    AnneJGP said:

    IanB2 said:

    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    Do people bet on these competitions? Asking out of interest because I've no idea.
    They used to, until quite some years back there was a scandal with suggestions of insider betting - given that the competition is judged - and since then, betting has been banned.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,232
    Joani Reid confirms she has never used both sweet and sour flavourings on the same dish and has hever had a lantern from further east than Lowestoft
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,519
    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    Having spent some time on the phone with multiple banks, hedge funds and institutional investors, I think one can split the views on oil as follow:

    Oil specialists: Bullish, look at Hormuz 😠
    Macro / generalists: Bearish, Trump will TACO 🤭

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2029602826242961589
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,909

    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Barty Bobbins is that you?

    I'll ask you what I have often asked Bart. How many innocent collateral casualties are acceptable?

    Life is cheap for PB Tories.

    Utterly ridiculous. Particularly as Trump swings from regime change to no regime change on a daily basis. Apparently he accidentally killed several of his preferred replacements.
    If you were Neville Chamberlain how many collateral casualties would have been acceptable for you in WWII?

    Collateral casualties die in all wars.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
    I never use that word it is a vile word, my contempt for certain barbaric people left me lost for other words

    I apologise for anyone decent offended by it. Bartholomew excepted
    It is the moderators you need to apologise to
    Big G. you are itching for the ban. Do you want us to lobby the mods?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,324

    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Barty Bobbins is that you?

    I'll ask you what I have often asked Bart. How many innocent collateral casualties are acceptable?

    Life is cheap for PB Tories.

    Utterly ridiculous. Particularly as Trump swings from regime change to no regime change on a daily basis. Apparently he accidentally killed several of his preferred replacements.
    It's a pointless question really. Barty's previous comments about the Gaza killings have shown that he doesn't care how many innocents have been killed.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,612
    How can John Healey not have resigned?

    We've been shown not merely to have our pants down, but that they are away in the laundry for weeks.

    I'm not sure he counts as military (I hope to god not given his performance), but this is gross dereliction of duty. He should be placed in an area tied to a pole where there's a probability of a live fire exercise intersecting with him. (I think people don't like the phrase 'should be shot' now, so I'm improvising)

    I may be blowing too hot here, but he should certainly resign.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,136
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    And the winner is.....Viking the Tibetan Mastiff, who will have his second shot at Best in Show on Sunday evening. In runner up, the young Rotweiler, only recently a puppy.

    In third, the Doberman, in fourth, the Great Dane
    Love Crufts

    Had a few pedigrees never shown

    St Bernard's my favourite
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,411

    Joani Reid confirms she has never used both sweet and sour flavourings on the same dish and has hever had a lantern from further east than Lowestoft

    I heard her say she can’t even use chopsticks and always just orders chips from the Jade Garden.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,519
    boulay said:

    Trump on Noem and Mullin.

    “before noting that she would become the special envoy for the “Shield of the Americas” – a new “security initiative” that he plans to announce this week in Doral, Florida with Latin American leaders.

    Trump announced that he was nominating Republican senator Markywayne Mullin to be the new homeland security secretary.

    “A MAGA Warrior, and former undefeated professional MMA fighter, Markwayne truly gets along well with people, and knows the Wisdom and Courage required to Advance our America First Agenda,” the president said of the Oklahoma lawmaker.

    The names of their operations, organisations and the CVs required “undefeated professional MMA fighter” along with Hesgeth’s risible utterances make me think that maybe, just maybe, everyone in the administration grew up watching Jean Claude Van Dam, Steven Segal and Chuck Norris films.

    The Trump administration is a constant shite reality tv show or it is nothing.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    On domestic politics, Shabana Mahmood has just made one of the most tone deaf political errors I can recall since the poll tax

    Offering £10,000 upto £40, 000 for asylum seekers to leave the country has gone down like a lead balloon

    What an extraordinary gift to Farage

    You have to question do they not use focus groups ?

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,136

    Brixian59 said:

    The sheer hypocricy of Right Wing Media labelling a proud Jew whose father escaped the Gas Chambers as anti semitic for standing up to the Zionist Barbarians in Tel Aviv and Washington is beyond parody.

    Thank God for Miliband, Thornberry and others who stand up for their faith but stand up to the barbarian Zionists who tar and tarnish it.

    Kemikazie and Farage and their bloodthirsty morons should take note and learn some history.

    May Israel and all it's peace living majority be rid of these Fascists asap

    As I have said Israel is united tonight after the leader of the opposition backs Netanyahu
    I think you'll find that r there are very significant numbers who aren't
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,909

    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Barty Bobbins is that you?

    I'll ask you what I have often asked Bart. How many innocent collateral casualties are acceptable?

    Life is cheap for PB Tories.

    Utterly ridiculous. Particularly as Trump swings from regime change to no regime change on a daily basis. Apparently he accidentally killed several of his preferred replacements.
    It's a pointless question really. Barty's previous comments about the Gaza killings have shown that he doesn't care how many innocents have been killed.
    I do care, I just accept casualties happen in war, and I respect Israel for doing its best to keep them so low.

    An end to the Islamic Republic would be the best way of breaking the cycle of violence and ensuring there is no repeat - and yet people who pretend to object to the war in Gaza, object to the root of the evil getting fought, making it clear that what you really object to Israel defending herself.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,372
    edited 7:23PM

    Brixian59 said:

    The sheer hypocricy of Right Wing Media labelling a proud Jew whose father escaped the Gas Chambers as anti semitic for standing up to the Zionist Barbarians in Tel Aviv and Washington is beyond parody.

    Thank God for Miliband, Thornberry and others who stand up for their faith but stand up to the barbarian Zionists who tar and tarnish it.

    Kemikazie and Farage and their bloodthirsty morons should take note and learn some history.

    May Israel and all it's peace living majority be rid of these Fascists asap

    As I have said Israel is united tonight after the leader of the opposition backs Netanyahu
    People forget the reason for Israel's ‘iron dome’ is the number of missiles lobbed in its general direction by Iran's proxies over the years.

    The proximate cause of this Iran war is said to be the Hamas October 7th attacks (which, ironically, seemed to take Iran completely unawares). Cynics say Netanyahu grasped an opportunity to cement his place in history and stay out of prison. You pays your shekels, and you takes your choice. At least as remarkably, he manoeuvred an isolationist America into doing the heavy lifting (and heavy spending).
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,136

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
    I never use that word it is a vile word, my contempt for certain barbaric people left me lost for other words

    I apologise for anyone decent offended by it. Bartholomew excepted
    It is the moderators you need to apologise to
    I apologise to the moderators whoever they are.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,781
    A question I don't know the answer to, but feels a bit relevant:

    When the Vietnam Don't-Mention-The War kicked off, how much did it impact on British politics?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854

    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Barty Bobbins is that you?

    I'll ask you what I have often asked Bart. How many innocent collateral casualties are acceptable?

    Life is cheap for PB Tories.

    Utterly ridiculous. Particularly as Trump swings from regime change to no regime change on a daily basis. Apparently he accidentally killed several of his preferred replacements.
    If you were Neville Chamberlain how many collateral casualties would have been acceptable for you in WWII?

    Collateral casualties die in all wars.
    That's nonsense. Have I ever suggested capitulation is the answer. 80,000 dead including women and children in Gaza and you are asking for an encore in Tehran.

    Kill the bad guys by all means but try and avoid the girls schools.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,519
    Andy_JS said:

    How unfortunate.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/05/farage-aide-loses-550000-betting-on-iran-war/

    "A key aide to Nigel Farage is nursing significant losses after losing a bet on the timing of America’s military strike on Iran.

    George Cottrell, an aristocratic banker, convicted fraudster and backer of the Reform UK leader, lost $550,000 (£411,000) last month after placing a wager on the Polymarket trading platform that the US would not bomb the Middle Eastern country.

    Polymarket is part of a new breed of so-called “prediction markets” that allow users to place “yes-no” bets on a range of topics, from politics and sports to the weather.

    Mr Cottrell, 32, is understood to have placed a “no” bet on the question of whether the US would strike Iran.

    He bet “no” to the question, “US strikes Iran by February 28, 2026?”, wagering around $550,000 on the outcome.

    His stake was wiped out when America hit Iran on Feb 28, according to Polymarket data."

    World's smallest violin to the duty phone.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
    I never use that word it is a vile word, my contempt for certain barbaric people left me lost for other words

    I apologise for anyone decent offended by it. Bartholomew excepted
    It is the moderators you need to apologise to
    Big G. you are itching for the ban. Do you want us to lobby the mods?
    Read my previous posts - I do not want him banned

    I have never flagged anyone or sought a ban on any poster
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,748
    Brixian59 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    And the winner is.....Viking the Tibetan Mastiff, who will have his second shot at Best in Show on Sunday evening. In runner up, the young Rotweiler, only recently a puppy.

    In third, the Doberman, in fourth, the Great Dane
    Love Crufts

    Had a few pedigrees never shown

    St Bernard's my favourite
    Wrestling legend, Dustin Rhodes, has a dog entered at Crufts.

    I’ll be rooting for them both.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,493
    Next up the Pastoral Group - will a Pumi make the shortlist for the first time ever?



  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,212
    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    I presume what you actually mean is you are a supporter of regime change in Iran which is fair enough.

    The problem is you have to accept the consequences of that and be prepared for it - as we saw in Iraq, the immediate collapse of the Ba'athist tyranny did not bring peace and stability - it brought disorder and chaos into which other more radical and extreme elements which the Ba'athists were able to suppress, inflitrated and that led to even greater destabilisation, violence and death.

    The reconstruction of Iranian infrastructure and governance damaged in the overthrow and the restoration of security for the ordinary Iranian people should be the priorities. We might celebrate the fall of the theocracy but none of us have ever lived or survived in an anarchic society with no work, no food, no money and no law and order. Any celebrations among the Iranian people may be short lived if that anarchy is left unchecked.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,612
    IanB2 said:

    Next up the Pastoral Group - will a Pumi make the shortlist for the first time ever?



    "Smile for PB!"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,519
    This annoying Iran specialist again...




    But what happens if the Iranian regime survives?

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2029552529806135511
  • glwglw Posts: 10,794
    nico67 said:

    He’s moved the vile dog killer to some ridiculously named new dept .

    From the BBC .

    He added that Noem will now shift to a newly established position, the Special Envoy for The Shield of the Americas, which Trump said was a "new Security Initiative in the Western Hemisphere"

    No fascists overtones there at all.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    Israel are fully entitled to fight Hezbollah, who chose to start the fighting there.

    The Lebanese government have said they wish to disarm and remove Hezbollah to end this violence.

    Of course Iran has funded Hezbollah to the tune of billions.

    If you want peace for Lebanon, you should want Israel to defeat the Islamic Republic, to destroy the sponsor of Hezbollah and to end the cycle of violence.
    Have you considered that Bibi perhaps just likes killing Muslims?. It has crossed my mind.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,514
    Andy_JS said:

    How unfortunate.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/05/farage-aide-loses-550000-betting-on-iran-war/

    "A key aide to Nigel Farage is nursing significant losses after losing a bet on the timing of America’s military strike on Iran.

    George Cottrell, an aristocratic banker, convicted fraudster and backer of the Reform UK leader, lost $550,000 (£411,000) last month after placing a wager on the Polymarket trading platform that the US would not bomb the Middle Eastern country.

    Polymarket is part of a new breed of so-called “prediction markets” that allow users to place “yes-no” bets on a range of topics, from politics and sports to the weather.

    Mr Cottrell, 32, is understood to have placed a “no” bet on the question of whether the US would strike Iran.

    He bet “no” to the question, “US strikes Iran by February 28, 2026?”, wagering around $550,000 on the outcome.

    His stake was wiped out when America hit Iran on Feb 28, according to Polymarket data."

    I know this is fundamentally a betting-related website but there is something a bit distasteful about betting markets related to whether military strikes will occur or not.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    And the winner is.....Viking the Tibetan Mastiff, who will have his second shot at Best in Show on Sunday evening. In runner up, the young Rotweiler, only recently a puppy.

    In third, the Doberman, in fourth, the Great Dane
    Our son, when he lived in New Zealand, had an Alaskan Malamute which was a fantastic alpha male

    We were out one day when a tourist bus of Japanese suddenly halted, and they all poured out to photograph 'Oscar' as he was called
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854
    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    Barty Bobbins is that you?

    I'll ask you what I have often asked Bart. How many innocent collateral casualties are acceptable?

    Life is cheap for PB Tories.

    Utterly ridiculous. Particularly as Trump swings from regime change to no regime change on a daily basis. Apparently he accidentally killed several of his preferred replacements.
    Bit of a sweeping statement.
    I meant "some" your Honour. I apologise unreservedly to all the PB Tories who are suing me.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,262
    Pro_Rata said:

    Brixian59 said:

    In the key specific issue significant majority support Starmer's defensive approach.

    The other 2 questions unfairly represent he PM. The question needs to be too firm Trump, too soft with Trump and about right.

    The question leads anyone thinking too soft or too hard to say badly.

    Everything changes in a heart beat if a British Aircraft is taken down by an Iranian missile
    Absolutely knock it off Big_G, a major conflict occurs and you're still always just childishly finding the angle ON STARMER.

    You're being every bit as utterly graceless as Badenoch.

    I imagine you are going to tell me it's just politics, like after Southport when your boys on here were retweeting the lies of real life fascists and you were just going "boys will be boys", like you were some fag wielding roughun in the town park watching admiringly as the grandkid's American Bully rips squirrels to pieces in front of everone as you observe "they are just having a bit of fun!"

    I bet even MexicanPete can't parody your one-eyedness any more.
    “ Absolutely knock it off Big_G, a major conflict occurs and you're still always just finding the angle on Starmer”

    You can hardly blame him, if he’s only playing ‘following my leader.’
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,212
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The war needs to continue until the Iranian regime is utterly defeated imo.

    I presume what you actually mean is you are a supporter of regime change in Iran which is fair enough.

    The problem is you have to accept the consequences of that and be prepared for it - as we saw in Iraq, the immediate collapse of the Ba'athist tyranny did not bring peace and stability - it brought disorder and chaos into which other more radical and extreme elements which the Ba'athists were able to suppress, inflitrated and that led to even greater destabilisation, violence and death.

    The reconstruction of Iranian infrastructure and governance damaged in the overthrow and the restoration of security for the ordinary Iranian people should be the priorities. We might celebrate the fall of the theocracy but none of us have ever lived or survived in an anarchic society with no work, no food, no money and no law and order. Any celebrations among the Iranian people may be short lived if that anarchy is left unchecked.
    While that is a nice sentiment, the problem is that nearly no revolution/regime change doesn't break lots of stuff.

    Which is why democracy is so valuable. We have most of the results of a violent revolution, every 5 years or so. Without X% of the population dying.

    Even the relatively mild collapse of communism in Eastern Europe led to massive dislocations - the rise of the AfD comes from that. And Germany was perhaps the most peaceful change, plus many, many billions spent on smoothing it over.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,249
    boulay said:

    Trump on Noem and Mullin.

    “before noting that she would become the special envoy for the “Shield of the Americas” – a new “security initiative” that he plans to announce this week in Doral, Florida with Latin American leaders.

    Trump announced that he was nominating Republican senator Markywayne Mullin to be the new homeland security secretary.

    “A MAGA Warrior, and former undefeated professional MMA fighter, Markwayne truly gets along well with people, and knows the Wisdom and Courage required to Advance our America First Agenda,” the president said of the Oklahoma lawmaker.

    The names of their operations, organisations and the CVs required “undefeated professional MMA fighter” along with Hesgeth’s risible utterances make me think that maybe, just maybe, everyone in the administration grew up watching Jean Claude Van Dam, Steven Segal and Chuck Norris films.

    It is essentially a show. A slick and sick one. Also an orgy of gaslighting - eg the Courage and Wisdom of bombing the shit out of places with no air defences for the craic of it. We are humbled to see such a brave and noble endeavour.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,091
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Apparently the UK must just obey Trump at all times .

    I’m sure the sovereignty warriors in the Reform and Tory parties will be outraged by this !

    Tumbleweed ….

    What is the alternative now war is raging ?
    It’s not just now , we have 3 more years of this . Trump has decided he’s King of the world .
    And what's wrong with that? He's been fairly elected as president of the most powerful country in the world.
    So he and the US can do whatever they want I guess?

    What’s happened to you brother? You used to be a voice a reason, now you are echoing the same vitriol that the resident right-wing loons spout.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,262

    Pro_Rata said:

    Brixian59 said:

    In the key specific issue significant majority support Starmer's defensive approach.

    The other 2 questions unfairly represent he PM. The question needs to be too firm Trump, too soft with Trump and about right.

    The question leads anyone thinking too soft or too hard to say badly.

    Everything changes in a heart beat if a British Aircraft is taken down by an Iranian missile
    Absolutely knock it off Big_G, a major conflict occurs and you're still always just childishly finding the angle ON STARMER.

    You're being every bit as utterly graceless as Badenoch.

    I imagine you are going to tell me it's just politics, like after Southport when your boys on here were retweeting the lies of real life fascists and you were just going "boys will be boys", like you were some fag wielding roughun in the town park watching admiringly as the grandkid's American Bully rips squirrels to pieces in front of everone as you observe "they are just having a bit of fun!"

    I bet even MexicanPete can't parody your one-eyedness any more.

    It may upset you, but Starmer is in a bind of his own making and if we lose an aircraft to an Iranian missile what would you do ?

    There are lots of difficult questions but I am not going to be silenced by asking awkward questions

    And this is not politics but a very serious war and your last paragraph is unworthy of you
    Surely, the more you go all in on bombing missions as you and Kemi want, the more likely of losing our people?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,262
    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Next up the Pastoral Group - will a Pumi make the shortlist for the first time ever?



    "Smile for PB!"
    TV for scale.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,690
    The US needs to borrow another $130bn (plus interest) to repay the illegal tariffs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/mar/05/trump-tariff-refunds-supreme-court

    This sort of thing would obliterate any other political leader. It's one of the things that makes Trump so dangerous, that he can so easily shrug this sort of thing off.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,289

    Pro_Rata said:

    Brixian59 said:

    In the key specific issue significant majority support Starmer's defensive approach.

    The other 2 questions unfairly represent he PM. The question needs to be too firm Trump, too soft with Trump and about right.

    The question leads anyone thinking too soft or too hard to say badly.

    Everything changes in a heart beat if a British Aircraft is taken down by an Iranian missile
    Absolutely knock it off Big_G, a major conflict occurs and you're still always just childishly finding the angle ON STARMER.

    You're being every bit as utterly graceless as Badenoch.

    I imagine you are going to tell me it's just politics, like after Southport when your boys on here were retweeting the lies of real life fascists and you were just going "boys will be boys", like you were some fag wielding roughun in the town park watching admiringly as the grandkid's American Bully rips squirrels to pieces in front of everone as you observe "they are just having a bit of fun!"

    I bet even MexicanPete can't parody your one-eyedness any more.

    It may upset you, but Starmer is in a bind of his own making and if we lose an aircraft to an Iranian missile what would you do ?

    There are lots of difficult questions but I am not going to be silenced by asking awkward questions

    And this is not politics but a very serious war and your last paragraph is unworthy of you
    Surely, the more you go all in on bombing missions as you and Kemi want, the more likely of losing our people?
    At present the issue doesn't arise, but it will if we lose aircraft or troops or civilians

  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,883
    The world is heading into a terrible turmoil of conflict and strife, with the threat of literal armageddon looming ahead, and an air of the endtimes pervading every waking human moment. This is possibly the most perilous time for us, as a species, as a planet, since the dawn of life

    On the other hand, I just made thirty grand selling an old flint, that I'd almost forgotten about, to some surprisingly eager Americans. So,. swings and roundabouts
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,854
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Watching James Mates ITN

    Lovely houses, nice districts, tens of thousands of hard working decent honest people forced to flee Lebanon. No where to do, done nothing wrong

    Because that megalananiac cunt wants more Arab blood.

    I challenge anyone to watch that and to excuse it.

    It's blood curling.

    It's like us having to flee London because he thinks Hezbollah have 5 members on Clapham.

    He has to be stopped

    Now!

    You have used a banned word that triggers the spam trap
    Thats being polite
    No seriously - avoid using the word if you respect our moderators
    I never use that word it is a vile word, my contempt for certain barbaric people left me lost for other words

    I apologise for anyone decent offended by it. Bartholomew excepted
    It is the moderators you need to apologise to
    I apologise to the moderators whoever they are.
    @TSE and @rcs1000

    Please don't get a ban. Judicious use of the asterisk works for particularly unparliamentary language.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,690
    Leon said:

    The world is heading into a terrible turmoil of conflict and strife, with the threat of literal armageddon looming ahead, and an air of the endtimes pervading every waking human moment. This is possibly the most perilous time for us, as a species, as a planet, since the dawn of life

    On the other hand, I just made thirty grand selling an old flint, that I'd almost forgotten about, to some surprisingly eager Americans. So,. swings and roundabouts

    Get it in gold so that at least you can admire the shininess in your final moments if the worst comes to the worst.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,885
    IanB2 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    IanB2 said:

    The judge's shortlist for the Working Dog category, chosen from the various winners of today's 'best of breed' competitions, is:

    - the Alaskan Malamute from county Durham, the young Bouvier from the Netherlands, the Bull Mastiff from Liverpool, the Doberman, the Great Dane from Kent, the Newfoundland from Poland, the young Rotweiler, and the Tibetan Mastiff (overall show runner up last year).

    Do people bet on these competitions? Asking out of interest because I've no idea.
    They used to, until quite some years back there was a scandal with suggestions of insider betting - given that the competition is judged - and since then, betting has been banned.
    Thank you, I hadn't realised that a judged competition was in a different category.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,759
    Ice Barbie is giving a speech in Nashville, and DOESN'T KNOW SHE JUST GOT FIRED !
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,262
    boulay said:

    Trump on Noem and Mullin.

    “before noting that she would become the special envoy for the “Shield of the Americas” – a new “security initiative” that he plans to announce this week in Doral, Florida with Latin American leaders.

    Trump announced that he was nominating Republican senator Markywayne Mullin to be the new homeland security secretary.

    “A MAGA Warrior, and former undefeated professional MMA fighter, Markwayne truly gets along well with people, and knows the Wisdom and Courage required to Advance our America First Agenda,” the president said of the Oklahoma lawmaker.

    The names of their operations, organisations and the CVs required “undefeated professional MMA fighter” along with Hesgeth’s risible utterances make me think that maybe, just maybe, everyone in the administration grew up watching Jean Claude Van Dam, Steven Segal and Chuck Norris films.

    If I started a Yorkshire First Party, and changed my name to Shieldmaiden of Farndale Daffodils, will Trumps White House shower me with State Visits and Musk give me Billions in funding? 🤔
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,411
    Leon said:

    The world is heading into a terrible turmoil of conflict and strife, with the threat of literal armageddon looming ahead, and an air of the endtimes pervading every waking human moment. This is possibly the most perilous time for us, as a species, as a planet, since the dawn of life

    On the other hand, I just made thirty grand selling an old flint, that I'd almost forgotten about, to some surprisingly eager Americans. So,. swings and roundabouts

    Starmer and Lord Hermer are going to have you up at The Hague on war crimes for selling the Americans a huge Neolithic weapon they will use against Iran.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,260

    On domestic politics, Shabana Mahmood has just made one of the most tone deaf political errors I can recall since the poll tax

    Offering £10,000 upto £40, 000 for asylum seekers to leave the country has gone down like a lead balloon

    What an extraordinary gift to Farage

    You have to question do they not use focus groups ?

    Wow. The incentives here are just horrible. This is like saying come to the UK and you've won the lottery. If it ever got made law, it would explode irregular arrivals.

    On the other hand though, at least she wore a stern coat. That'll show them.
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