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Let’s party like it’s 1910 – politicalbetting.com

The 1910 general election was the last time the Liberals won more the seats than the Conservatives, if the current polls are accurate and Reform are about to give the Conservative party the greatest electoral wedgie in their history then backing the Lib Dems in this Ladbrokes market feels like value.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636
    edited 8:07AM
    Lest we forget, 73 years ago today.


  • eekeek Posts: 32,748

    Lest we forget, 73 years ago today.


    I’ve been thinking about that exact film a few times since Saturday morning
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636
    eek said:

    Lest we forget, 73 years ago today.


    I’ve been thinking about that exact film a few times since Saturday morning
    Me too.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,748
    edited 8:10AM
    Separately the Telegraph has a similar view as your bank stability review regarding Iran

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/news/we-know-the-cost-of-war-in-iran/

    Basically we are f***ed and heading into a recession
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636
    eek said:

    Separately the Telegraph has a similar view as your bank stability review regarding Iran

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/news/we-know-the-cost-of-war-in-iran/

    Basically we are f***ed and heading into a recession

    A recession? They are a bunch of optimists, DEPRESSION!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,453
    FPT:
    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    My thoughts are with the families of the Iranian sailors who drowned with the sinking of their ship off Galle. A disgusting and cowardly action revealing the Americans' bloodlust and utter absence of humanity. My grandfather's ship was torpedoed in the Indian Ocean when he served with the RN during WW2. Like the Iranian survivors he spent some time in Sri Lanka, before he joined his new ship at Trinco. He had happy memories of the island and its hospitable people, as he liked to recount to my wife, whose parents are from there.

    It was an act of sheer atavistic carnage. I felt a bit sick when I saw it tbh. And I've seen some shit.

    They did it because they could.
    Reform and the Tories support this unconditionally
    I think that is an opportunity for both Keir and Kemi.

    Keir can differentiate himself from "Trump's Yes Woman" and Kemi can differentiate herself from "Up Trump's Anus Nigel" further to her right.

    But neither will be quite so unobfuscated !
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,202

    eek said:

    Lest we forget, 73 years ago today.


    I’ve been thinking about that exact film a few times since Saturday morning
    Me too.
    The Trump version will have to be done by the South Park guys. Only the people who made Team America could do it justice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,315
    edited 8:18AM
    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enamy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    I read a bit more about it. It quite cunning, it has the mobile chip from iphone, but it is binned ones with one less core i.e. they can use duff ones that they would have otherwise thrown away so found a way to higher yield.

    That has been the nvidia playbook for a while.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,738
    eek said:

    Separately the Telegraph has a similar view as your bank stability review regarding Iran

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/news/we-know-the-cost-of-war-in-iran/

    Basically we are f***ed and heading into a recession

    My LinkedIn is full of people ‘open to work’ many being good people I’ve worked with before. There’s precious few jobs it seems and not improving.

    People are also learning most recruitment agencies employees are just scum and how poorly treated candidates are which I experienced regularly while contracting
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,202
    And for those who like “AI” comedy.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/03/lawsuit-google-gemini-sent-man-on-violent-missions-set-suicide-countdown/

    Essentially, an LLM turned an unstable individual into a terrorist, complete with inventing cause for him.

    Obvious Person of Interest reference - Samaritan
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,738
    eek said:

    Separately the Telegraph has a similar view as your bank stability review regarding Iran

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/news/we-know-the-cost-of-war-in-iran/

    Basically we are f***ed and heading into a recession

    A price worth paying to keep bibi out of chokey
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,843
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    My thoughts are with the families of the Iranian sailors who drowned with the sinking of their ship off Galle. A disgusting and cowardly action revealing the Americans' bloodlust and utter absence of humanity. My grandfather's ship was torpedoed in the Indian Ocean when he served with the RN during WW2. Like the Iranian survivors he spent some time in Sri Lanka, before he joined his new ship at Trinco. He had happy memories of the island and its hospitable people, as he liked to recount to my wife, whose parents are from there.

    It was an act of sheer atavistic carnage. I felt a bit sick when I saw it tbh. And I've seen some shit.

    They did it because they could.
    Reform and the Tories support this unconditionally
    I think that is an opportunity for both Keir and Kemi.

    Keir can differentiate himself from "Trump's Yes Woman" and Kemi can differentiate herself from "Up Trump's Anus Nigel" further to her right.

    But neither will be quite so unobfuscated !
    Can we henceforth refer to him as Farage, please ?
    I am triggered by that image.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,366
    Funniest story of yesterday - a group of Russian tourists stuck at Male airport in the Maldives were refused passage to Dubai by Emirates, as they’re only accepting UAE residents not transfer pax. Male airport is not a fancy resort, the main island is dry and more Muslim than Dubai!

    Second funniest story of yesterday. Marketing managers, always monitor your campaigns, especially when major geopolitical events occur. https://x.com/bmay/status/2029096309693517986
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636
    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enemy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Still not sure what Starmer’s up to, it appears that our own warships are the only boats HMG can prevent from crossing the Channel.

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    Apple are taking the piss now, my new MacBook Pro is going to cost £7,349 and they no longer supply a powe adapter, they expect me to pay £99 for the privilege.

    Still who doesn't need a laptop with 128 GB unified memory?

    (Spoiler: I am sticking with my MacBook Air.)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,894

    Lest we forget, 73 years ago today.


    At least Stalin only messed his pants after a massive stroke, a certain president with the most perfect health there’s ever been has a bit less control.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,202

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enamy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    I read a bit more about it. It quite cunning, it has the mobile chip from iphone, but it is binned ones with one less core i.e. they can use duff ones that they would have otherwise thrown away so found a way to higher yield.
    When NVIDIA started doing binning for their GPUs, some said they would collapse company.

    Turned out that it’s a brilliant strategy - if the curve of yields at various capabilities is compatible with the market.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,202

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enamy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    I read a bit more about it. It quite cunning, it has the mobile chip from iphone, but it is binned ones with one less core i.e. they can use duff ones that they would have otherwise thrown away so found a way to higher yield.
    When NVIDIA started doing binning for their GPUs, some said they would collapse company.

    Turned out that it’s a brilliant strategy - if the curve of yields at various capabilities is compatible with the market.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,748
    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enemy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Still not sure what Starmer’s up to, it appears that our own warships are the only boats HMG can prevent from crossing the Channel.

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    I’m probably going for a 15” MacBook Air for my parents for just that reason (and given the number of holidays they take, they can afford it).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,894
    edited 8:20AM
    What’s this crappy catching arrows metaphor that Kemi is unwisely persisting with? She obviously thinks it’s a zinger.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,748

    eek said:

    Separately the Telegraph has a similar view as your bank stability review regarding Iran

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/news/we-know-the-cost-of-war-in-iran/

    Basically we are f***ed and heading into a recession

    A recession? They are a bunch of optimists, DEPRESSION!
    Given that the definition of a recession is people I know aren’t working and a depression is I’m not working - good luck on the job hunting front.

    But yep attached to Ai, massively increased gas and oil prices are not good news for anyone or the economy
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,366

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enemy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Still not sure what Starmer’s up to, it appears that our own warships are the only boats HMG can prevent from crossing the Channel.

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    Apple are taking the piss now, my new MacBook Pro is going to cost £7,349 and they no longer supply a powe adapter, they expect me to pay £99 for the privilege.

    Still who doesn't need a laptop with 128 GB unified memory?

    (Spoiler: I am sticking with my MacBook Air.)
    Apple Twitter is very funny this morning, saying it’s a really low spec, only 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD etc etc.

    The point is that tech bros are not the target market, their teenage kids and their parents are the target market. It’s not a dev machine and not for running AI engines locally, it’s for documents and web browsing, which is what most teenagers and retireds do with a computer.

    Yes there’s still a $5,000 MBP available if that’s your requirement.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,453
    edited 8:27AM
    FPT

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    My thoughts are with the families of the Iranian sailors who drowned with the sinking of their ship off Galle. A disgusting and cowardly action revealing the Americans' bloodlust and utter absence of humanity. My grandfather's ship was torpedoed in the Indian Ocean when he served with the RN during WW2. Like the Iranian survivors he spent some time in Sri Lanka, before he joined his new ship at Trinco. He had happy memories of the island and its hospitable people, as he liked to recount to my wife, whose parents are from there.

    It was an act of sheer atavistic carnage. I felt a bit sick when I saw it tbh. And I've seen some shit.

    They did it because they could.
    As Hegseth said, no more woke rules of engagement.
    I suppose they’re going to be fine with whatever outrages Iran commits upon any captured US serviceman.
    I think that is a very salient point.

    By gutting their commitment to law and treaties, and domestic law, Trump's regime have done an act comparable to changing the rules from "WW2 Western Front" to "WW2 Eastern Front" (to use a WW2 analogy).

    I have no idea what remaining capabilities Iran has, or what sleepers they have in place in the USA. What would the impact be if they did a "Baltic Exchange" or a "Manchester" or even a "Oklahoma City" bomb (that was about 2-3 tons of fertiliser iirc) to Trump Tower or Downtown Detroit? Or did a dirty bomb?

    Why would they not, if they can?

    Listening to Trumpist commentary, lack of self-awareness seems a major theme. The unquestioned assumptions about World Bestriding USA are still there, and it is not 1950 any more. Plus the US is now a riskier place to hold investments.

    Cuba is next. There is also - as noted by someone above - chatter about fomenting a civil war in Iran, in addition to "boots on the ground". Is Trumo stupid enough to try the latter - if he is his bootlickers will just read his words back to him.

    Plus imo Europe will push back more. We still believe in the concept of a rules based system put in place by Churchill and the US President.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636
    edited 8:24AM
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enemy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Still not sure what Starmer’s up to, it appears that our own warships are the only boats HMG can prevent from crossing the Channel.

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    Apple are taking the piss now, my new MacBook Pro is going to cost £7,349 and they no longer supply a powe adapter, they expect me to pay £99 for the privilege.

    Still who doesn't need a laptop with 128 GB unified memory?

    (Spoiler: I am sticking with my MacBook Air.)
    Apple Twitter is very funny this morning, saying it’s a really low spec, only 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD etc etc.

    The point is that tech bros are not the target market, their teenage kids and their parents are the target market. It’s not a dev machine and not for running AI engines locally, it’s for documents and web browsing, which is what most teenagers and retireds do with a computer.

    Yes there’s still a $5,000 MBP available if that’s your requirement.
    It is, one of the reasons I love Apple is the durability of their MacBooks, my father uses one of my old MacBooks from 2015, Windows laptops don't last that long.

    I don't change my MacBooks when a new one comes out, unlike the iPhone, I usually go for an upgrade when there's something major like the M chips or a bigger screen
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,315
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enemy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Still not sure what Starmer’s up to, it appears that our own warships are the only boats HMG can prevent from crossing the Channel.

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    Apple are taking the piss now, my new MacBook Pro is going to cost £7,349 and they no longer supply a powe adapter, they expect me to pay £99 for the privilege.

    Still who doesn't need a laptop with 128 GB unified memory?

    (Spoiler: I am sticking with my MacBook Air.)
    Apple Twitter is very funny this morning, saying it’s a really low spec, only 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD etc etc.

    The point is that tech bros are not the target market, their teenage kids and their parents are the target market. It’s not a dev machine and not for running AI engines locally, it’s for documents and web browsing, which is what most teenagers and retireds do with a computer.

    Yes there’s still a $5,000 MBP available if that’s your requirement.
    Marques Brownlee put it like this in his video, if you are watching this video, this laptop isn't for you, if you are asking questions like how much RAM or how fast is the SSD, this laptop isn't for you....

    One design choice that is good, no bloody notch. I love my macbook air, but the f##king notch.
  • Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,649

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    I'm very pro eliminating Iran's force projection capabilities utterly and completely.

    I would cheer regime change, but it has to come from within.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,315
    Iranian bombers were “minutes” away from striking the largest military base housing American troops in the Middle East before Qatari planes shot them down.

    On Monday morning, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard flew two Soviet-era Su-24 tactical bombers toward to al-Udeid Air Base, which hosts 10,000 US military personnel.

    The Iranian bombers came within “two minutes” of striking their targets, which also included a natural gas processing facility, one official told CNN.

    A Qatari F-15 fighter jet engaged the Iranian bombers in “aerial combat” before downing them, a second source said.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,785

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enemy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Still not sure what Starmer’s up to, it appears that our own warships are the only boats HMG can prevent from crossing the Channel.

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    Apple are taking the piss now, my new MacBook Pro is going to cost £7,349 and they no longer supply a powe adapter, they expect me to pay £99 for the privilege.

    Still who doesn't need a laptop with 128 GB unified memory?

    (Spoiler: I am sticking with my MacBook Air.)
    Apple Twitter is very funny this morning, saying it’s a really low spec, only 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD etc etc.

    The point is that tech bros are not the target market, their teenage kids and their parents are the target market. It’s not a dev machine and not for running AI engines locally, it’s for documents and web browsing, which is what most teenagers and retireds do with a computer.

    Yes there’s still a $5,000 MBP available if that’s your requirement.
    It is, one of the reasons I love Apple is the durability of their MacBooks, my father uses one of my old MacBooks from 2015, Windows laptops don't last that long.

    I don't change my MacBooks when a new one comes out, unlike the iPhone, I usually go for an upgrade when there's something major like the M chips or a bigger screen
    My iPhone upgrade was a big mistake. 15 Pro Max was better than 17 Pro Max.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,315
    The United States is planning for the war in Iran to last at least 100 days but it could extend through September, according to reports.

    Politico reported that US Central Command had asked to send military intelligence officers to its base in Tampa, Florida, to support operations against Iran until at least June.

    But officials have said the operation could extend for even longer after that, with military officers likely to be asked to stay in place until September.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,447
    On current polls of course it is not impossible the Greens win more seats than Labour and the Liberals more seats than the Tories and Reform than all of them. It would be a complete realignment with Reform the main party of the right, the LDs the centre and the Greens the left, in that case unless we got PR the Tories and Labour would likely ultimately disappear with most of their MPs and members and voters joining one of those 3.

    However for now the Tories and Labour lead the LDs and in more polls than not the Greens even if Reform are ahead overall, plus there will be tactical votes against Farage's party. In January and December 1910 of course the Conservatives won more votes than the Liberals even if the Liberals won 2 and 1 more seats respectively and there were hung parliaments
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1910_United_Kingdom_general_election
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1910_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,779

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enamy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    I read a bit more about it. It quite cunning, it has the mobile chip from iphone, but it is binned ones with one less core i.e. they can use duff ones that they would have otherwise thrown away so found a way to higher yield.
    When NVIDIA started doing binning for their GPUs, some said they would collapse company.

    Turned out that it’s a brilliant strategy - if the curve of yields at various capabilities is compatible with the market.
    How Clive Sinclair got started as well. Buy stuff that was cheap, because it was out-of-spec, then work out what it could be made to do.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,880

    And for those who like “AI” comedy.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/03/lawsuit-google-gemini-sent-man-on-violent-missions-set-suicide-countdown/

    Essentially, an LLM turned an unstable individual into a terrorist, complete with inventing cause for him.

    Obvious Person of Interest reference - Samaritan

    If that article is true, it suggests AI has committed murder. I don't know what to think.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,739
    Badenoch not sounding like a wartime leader or LOTO on R4 Today this morning. Three sensible LOTO options: solemn toned full support; Benn/Cook like reasoned opposition to the whole thing; clarity about what the opposition would do further, next and different. She has chosen ambiguity and nit picking. Looks bad.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,029
    https://x.com/9andrewmcdonald/status/2029454450499203367

    EXC: Inside Morgan McSweeney's cosy leaving drinks last night

    — Acc to multiple witnesses Keir Starmer, in a speech to room full of Labour right types, said that McSweeney is not only one of the best political strategists in the country, "but in the entire world"

    — In gushing speech PM also said McSweeney had "plan, strategy and foresight" to change Labour
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,366

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    Defence should really be a gateway question at the next election. Anyone who’s not in favour of a serious rearmament isn’t a viable candidate. The very first job of government is to defend the country.

    Now there’s nuanced discussions to be had about actual spending levels, it should for example be very easy to buy technology from Ukraine rather than spending billions into the MIC on some next-gen fighter boondoggle, but the capability needs to rise substantially.

    It’s a national embarrassment that there was seemingly no defensive capability at Akrotiri, and it’s going to take a week or more to get a single ship there. The Americans are already laughing at the Europeans, with very good reason.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,453
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    My thoughts are with the families of the Iranian sailors who drowned with the sinking of their ship off Galle. A disgusting and cowardly action revealing the Americans' bloodlust and utter absence of humanity. My grandfather's ship was torpedoed in the Indian Ocean when he served with the RN during WW2. Like the Iranian survivors he spent some time in Sri Lanka, before he joined his new ship at Trinco. He had happy memories of the island and its hospitable people, as he liked to recount to my wife, whose parents are from there.

    It was an act of sheer atavistic carnage. I felt a bit sick when I saw it tbh. And I've seen some shit.

    They did it because they could.
    Reform and the Tories support this unconditionally
    I think that is an opportunity for both Keir and Kemi.

    Keir can differentiate himself from "Trump's Yes Woman" and Kemi can differentiate herself from "Up Trump's Anus Nigel" further to her right.

    But neither will be quite so unobfuscated !
    Can we henceforth refer to him as Farage, please ?
    I am triggered by that image.
    Brilliant !

    (But how do you know I meant Farage? Nigel Evans has been out and about a bit too, going a bit bombastic.

    https://x.com/nigelmp/ )
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,880

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    Perhaps increasing defence spending would be a way to convince us oldies that WFA reduction etc is acceptable.
  • Mahmood rhetoric on immigration absolutely spot on IMHO.

    Firm but fair. That’s the right pitch, centrist but radical.

    Labour really need to take this positioning and run with it.
  • I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are Zionist useful idiots.

    It is plainly obvious the Americans are making it up as they go along.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    War! Day 6.

    Actually really quiet on the local front, the enemy does appear to be unable to launch stuff in anything like previous quantities. Well done to all involved in neutralising the threat, and to Ukraine for discussing technology transfers in exchange for some of the modern long-range weapons!

    Still not sure what Starmer’s up to, it appears that our own warships are the only boats HMG can prevent from crossing the Channel.

    Oh, and that new $599 MacBook Neo is about to kill Microsoft and the cheap Windows laptop market. I might buy one for my parents, would drop the tech support calls by 90% overnight!

    Apple are taking the piss now, my new MacBook Pro is going to cost £7,349 and they no longer supply a powe adapter, they expect me to pay £99 for the privilege.

    Still who doesn't need a laptop with 128 GB unified memory?

    (Spoiler: I am sticking with my MacBook Air.)
    Apple Twitter is very funny this morning, saying it’s a really low spec, only 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD etc etc.

    The point is that tech bros are not the target market, their teenage kids and their parents are the target market. It’s not a dev machine and not for running AI engines locally, it’s for documents and web browsing, which is what most teenagers and retireds do with a computer.

    Yes there’s still a $5,000 MBP available if that’s your requirement.
    It is, one of the reasons I love Apple is the durability of their MacBooks, my father uses one of my old MacBooks from 2015, Windows laptops don't last that long.

    I don't change my MacBooks when a new one comes out, unlike the iPhone, I usually go for an upgrade when there's something major like the M chips or a bigger screen
    My iPhone upgrade was a big mistake. 15 Pro Max was better than 17 Pro Max.
    Why?

    Better camera and battery for starters.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,208
    Morning all :)

    Of far more interest than wars in the Middle East, a story featuriung Sex and Russell Grant to ponder over your cornflakes:

    https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/surreys-new-mega-councils-bigger-33528230
  • eekeek Posts: 32,748

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    Given who is in charge of this “war” why were you expecting anything else?

    Trump is a very useful idiot for a lot of people
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,457
    HYUFD said:

    On current polls of course it is not impossible the Greens win more seats than Labour and the Liberals more seats than the Tories and Reform than all of them. It would be a complete realignment with Reform the main party of the right, the LDs the centre and the Greens the left, in that case unless we got PR the Tories and Labour would likely ultimately disappear with most of their MPs and members and voters joining one of those 3.

    However for now the Tories and Labour lead the LDs and in more polls than not the Greens even if Reform are ahead overall, plus there will be tactical votes against Farage's party. In January and December 1910 of course the Conservatives won more votes than the Liberals even if the Liberals won 2 and 1 more seats respectively and there were hung parliaments
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1910_United_Kingdom_general_election
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1910_United_Kingdom_general_election

    It isn't just polling though, it is about efficiency of the vote.

    I think LDs will have a good May elections in England (though the headlines will be about Reform and Green gains, and Lab/Con meltdown), and are digging in on our current seats.

    The question is: Can the Tories hold more than 72 seats, and if so which ones?

    I think it very possible that the Tories are the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th in number of seats in the next Parliament.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,453
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Separately the Telegraph has a similar view as your bank stability review regarding Iran

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/bills/news/we-know-the-cost-of-war-in-iran/

    Basically we are f***ed and heading into a recession

    My LinkedIn is full of people ‘open to work’ many being good people I’ve worked with before. There’s precious few jobs it seems and not improving.

    People are also learning most recruitment agencies employees are just scum and how poorly treated candidates are which I experienced regularly while contracting
    Career change to being plumbers?

    I think Charlie Mullins went back into running a plumbing company.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,795

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    There is a consensus we need to increase defence spending. The argument is about how quickly. The Tories have an easy hit there because no matter how quickly it will not be quickly enough.

    There are also arguments on how the money should be spent. For me, our number one strategic liability is our dependency on the US. I regard that as a much more serious problem than any potential conventional risk from Russia which is staggering ever closer to absolute exhaustion and even collapse in their war with Ukraine. We need equipment that is not dependent on US updates, that we can increase the supply of without dealing with the ravings of the US President, that we can re-arm from our own resources or at least from reliable friends.

    Russia, and indeed China, are much more of a risk for non conventional warfare. So we need to invest more in cyber defence. We need to develop ways to protect our energy and internet cabling, especially undersea. We need to find cost effective ways of taking out drones and protecting key sites like Downing Street and nuclear power stations. We need to improve the resilience of our energy supplies.

    The temptation to spend money on more toys such as tanks and armoured vehicles will be great. It is the sort of thing politicians can sit in and look the part. But there is so much else that is a priority. Freeing ourselves from the grip of our former friends is top of the list.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,366

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    For balance, the Iranians I know out here are absolutely ecstatic with events of the past week. They might be some of the only people who are considering leaving Dubai, to go back and rebuild their own country.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,401
    The Telegraph really is a load of rubbish. How do they persuade intelligent...ish people to write this tripe? When you though Emma Barnett was as thick as you could get in the morning


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2026/02/27/starmer-will-be-sent-packing-by-a-white-house-arrogance/?recomm_id=17ea1f36-817b-4e95-b10d-b905cb9b2e12
  • eekeek Posts: 32,748
    Sandpit said:

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    For balance, the Iranians I know out here are absolutely ecstatic with events of the past week. They might be some of the only people who are considering leaving Dubai, to go back and rebuild their own country.
    TSE is hearing from people in Iran you are hearing from people receiving second hand information as they aren’t currently sat in Tehran.

    They may feel very different if they were in Iran and watching indiscriminate bombing
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,649

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.

    What we have here is Trump Derangement Syndrome on an absolutely epic scale and, because Israel is involved, that being supercharged on steroids.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,170
    I am surprised to see the drone that attacked Akrotiri actually hit the hangar building and not the runway as Cooper had suggested.

    No wonder our allies in the Middle East and the med are disappointed with us.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,649
    Sandpit said:

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    For balance, the Iranians I know out here are absolutely ecstatic with events of the past week. They might be some of the only people who are considering leaving Dubai, to go back and rebuild their own country.
    You expect balance? On this site?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,843
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    My thoughts are with the families of the Iranian sailors who drowned with the sinking of their ship off Galle. A disgusting and cowardly action revealing the Americans' bloodlust and utter absence of humanity. My grandfather's ship was torpedoed in the Indian Ocean when he served with the RN during WW2. Like the Iranian survivors he spent some time in Sri Lanka, before he joined his new ship at Trinco. He had happy memories of the island and its hospitable people, as he liked to recount to my wife, whose parents are from there.

    It was an act of sheer atavistic carnage. I felt a bit sick when I saw it tbh. And I've seen some shit.

    They did it because they could.
    Reform and the Tories support this unconditionally
    I think that is an opportunity for both Keir and Kemi.

    Keir can differentiate himself from "Trump's Yes Woman" and Kemi can differentiate herself from "Up Trump's Anus Nigel" further to her right.

    But neither will be quite so unobfuscated !
    Can we henceforth refer to him as Farage, please ?
    I am triggered by that image.
    Brilliant !

    (But how do you know I meant Farage? Nigel Evans has been out and about a bit too, going a bit bombastic.

    https://x.com/nigelmp/ )
    All the more reason to refer to the fucker by his surname.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,457
    DavidL said:

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    There is a consensus we need to increase defence spending. The argument is about how quickly. The Tories have an easy hit there because no matter how quickly it will not be quickly enough.

    There are also arguments on how the money should be spent. For me, our number one strategic liability is our dependency on the US. I regard that as a much more serious problem than any potential conventional risk from Russia which is staggering ever closer to absolute exhaustion and even collapse in their war with Ukraine. We need equipment that is not dependent on US updates, that we can increase the supply of without dealing with the ravings of the US President, that we can re-arm from our own resources or at least from reliable friends.

    Russia, and indeed China, are much more of a risk for non conventional warfare. So we need to invest more in cyber defence. We need to develop ways to protect our energy and internet cabling, especially undersea. We need to find cost effective ways of taking out drones and protecting key sites like Downing Street and nuclear power stations. We need to improve the resilience of our energy supplies.

    The temptation to spend money on more toys such as tanks and armoured vehicles will be great. It is the sort of thing politicians can sit in and look the part. But there is so much else that is a priority. Freeing ourselves from the grip of our former friends is top of the list.

    That and having enough stocks of ammunition. Even the Septics are running through their stocks very quickly.

    Building ships, and planes takes time and we should buy off the shelf as far as possible. We should also consider whether a few highest spec weapons are needed or larger numbers of lower spec. We only need to be better than our most likely adversaries not out tech the Americans and Chinese.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,925

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    Entirely unsurprising. I think this whole bloody misadventure is what happens when a very clever Israeli regime and a very stupid American one get together.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,748
    Sandpit said:

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    Defence should really be a gateway question at the next election. Anyone who’s not in favour of a serious rearmament isn’t a viable candidate. The very first job of government is to defend the country.

    Now there’s nuanced discussions to be had about actual spending levels, it should for example be very easy to buy technology from Ukraine rather than spending billions into the MIC on some next-gen fighter boondoggle, but the capability needs to rise substantially.

    It’s a national embarrassment that there was seemingly no defensive capability at Akrotiri, and it’s going to take a week or more to get a single ship there. The Americans are already laughing at the Europeans, with very good reason.
    My first question when it comes to rearming is what does a 21st century battle look like so we build what is required for that war.

    As I suspect it doesn’t match what our current defense contractors want and are capable of building
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.

    What we have here is Trump Derangement Syndrome on an absolutely epic scale and, because Israel is involved, that being supercharged on steroids.
    The heritage term is a catch all term for exiles and their families/friends who were born in the UK.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,453

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    That's Trump and his minions in the USA all over again. Ignorant as sin, thick as a plank, mad as a hatter, crass as Las Vegas, and keeps buggering on down the rabbit hole - performative cruelty.

    The economic decisions started losing them the farmers, the tariffs are buggering the public, the health premium increases of 20% to 200% will lose the lower middle, the racially profiled abductions to concentration camps will lose them the non-whites, and so they need to steal the mid-term election or they know they are done.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,447
    edited 8:45AM

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    Though the dissidents have been marching for months with no success, Trump and Netanyahu took out half the Iranian leadership to give a window for regime change. If they don’t take it now then they likely never will, though of course then the argument is it needs US and Israel to put troops on the ground in Iran as well to really ensure the dissidents can take over
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,837

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    Barty will be along shortly to explain how bombing schoolgirls was all part of the master plan to restore the Shah and secular democratic government to Iran*

    * Don't tell him but apparently American involvement is primarily to prepare for Jesus's second coming.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,208
    On topic, well, maybe and so much will depend on where we are in three years.

    On some current polling, yes, the LDs will have more seats than the Conservatives. It's strange, when everyone talked about political realignment in the Alliance days, it was all about replacing Labour and challenging the Conservatives who seemed a permanent fixed party of power.

    Two generations ago and re-alignment might mean the Conservatives finish up like the Liberal Democrats, a minor party operating from small regional areas of strength surrounded by vast areas of weakness. The LDs are used to being such a party, however, the Conservatives are not.

    What would the Conservative "niche" were they to find themselves the fourth or even fifth party in the next Commons?

    The problem the Conservatives have now is the one the LDs and their predecessor parties have always had - their fate is not wholly in their hands. For the Conservatives, how Reform and Labour will be faring will determine their prospects of both holding what they have and regaining what they've lost.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,649

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    Entirely unsurprising. I think this whole bloody misadventure is what happens when a very clever Israeli regime and a very stupid American one get together.
    "I spoke to some totally random people who I was shocked to learn completely agreed with me"

    It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,649

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.

    What we have here is Trump Derangement Syndrome on an absolutely epic scale and, because Israel is involved, that being supercharged on steroids.
    The heritage term is a catch all term for exiles and their families/friends who were born in the UK.
    I think you're full of shit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,366
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    Defence should really be a gateway question at the next election. Anyone who’s not in favour of a serious rearmament isn’t a viable candidate. The very first job of government is to defend the country.

    Now there’s nuanced discussions to be had about actual spending levels, it should for example be very easy to buy technology from Ukraine rather than spending billions into the MIC on some next-gen fighter boondoggle, but the capability needs to rise substantially.

    It’s a national embarrassment that there was seemingly no defensive capability at Akrotiri, and it’s going to take a week or more to get a single ship there. The Americans are already laughing at the Europeans, with very good reason.
    My first question when it comes to rearming is what does a 21st century battle look like so we build what is required for that war.

    As I suspect it doesn’t match what our current defense contractors want and are capable of building
    Talk to the Ukranians, Israelis, and startup companies like Anduril who are doing to the MIC what SpaceX have done to price-to-orbit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,447
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    On current polls of course it is not impossible the Greens win more seats than Labour and the Liberals more seats than the Tories and Reform than all of them. It would be a complete realignment with Reform the main party of the right, the LDs the centre and the Greens the left, in that case unless we got PR the Tories and Labour would likely ultimately disappear with most of their MPs and members and voters joining one of those 3.

    However for now the Tories and Labour lead the LDs and in more polls than not the Greens even if Reform are ahead overall, plus there will be tactical votes against Farage's party. In January and December 1910 of course the Conservatives won more votes than the Liberals even if the Liberals won 2 and 1 more seats respectively and there were hung parliaments
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1910_United_Kingdom_general_election
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1910_United_Kingdom_general_election

    It isn't just polling though, it is about efficiency of the vote.

    I think LDs will have a good May elections in England (though the headlines will be about Reform and Green gains, and Lab/Con meltdown), and are digging in on our current seats.

    The question is: Can the Tories hold more than 72 seats, and if so which ones?

    I think it very possible that the Tories are the 3rd, 4th, or even 5th in number of seats in the next Parliament.

    With tactical anti Reform voting the Tories could hold more than the 72 seats the LDs have certainly. The question is will Kemi do that or would it need Cleverly?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,894
    algarkirk said:

    Badenoch not sounding like a wartime leader or LOTO on R4 Today this morning. Three sensible LOTO options: solemn toned full support; Benn/Cook like reasoned opposition to the whole thing; clarity about what the opposition would do further, next and different. She has chosen ambiguity and nit picking. Looks bad.

    She has the perpetual tone of a goody two shoes proudly grassing up one of her class mates to the teacher. Something for which she has form of course.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,457
    "Having spent a year criticizing, insulting and threatening European leaders, Trump now sees the value of having friends in strategically important places — if they have military assets he can use."

    https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-iran-war-middle-east-europe-eu-support-military-bases-rift/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,843
    Sandpit said:

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    For balance, the Iranians I know out here are absolutely ecstatic with events of the past week. They might be some of the only people who are considering leaving Dubai, to go back and rebuild their own country.
    It's equally clear from the limited reporting from Iran that opinion is similarly divided.

    But it's also hard not to recall how Bush utterly squandered the broad support for the Iraq invasion by leaving chaos in its wake. That was immensely costly both for the region, and for the west, irrespective of the argument that Iraq is better off today.

    And from what I can see, this war has even less planning for its aftermath than did the Iraq adventure.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,366
    Zelensky:

    https://x.com/zelenskyyua/status/2029470937695781108

    We received signals from partners in the Middle East. There have been strikes by Iranian “shaheds” on civilians in those countries. They are seeking our expertise. We are open. If their representatives come, we will provide the expertise. Especially since there is also a request from Europeans and from the United States. Requests have come to us to share our experience with partners in the Middle East.

    Regarding weapons: we ourselves are at war. And I said, completely frankly, that we have a shortage of what they have. They have missiles for the Patriots, but hundreds or thousands of “shaheds” cannot be intercepted with Patriot missiles – it is too costly. Nothing is too much for the people, of course, but they simply do not have that many missiles. That is why they need interceptor drones, which we have. Meanwhile, we have a shortage of PAC-2 and PAC-3 missiles. So, when it comes to technology or weapons exchange, I believe our country will be open to it.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,167
    I think the argument goes by some it doesn’t really matter if the US and Israel kill thousands of Iranian civilians because Iran killed thousands a few weeks ago and they’re just so happy that the regime is being bombed that they’ll see it as a necessary price to pay !

    This seems to be the logic of the current special military operation !

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,636

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.

    What we have here is Trump Derangement Syndrome on an absolutely epic scale and, because Israel is involved, that being supercharged on steroids.
    The heritage term is a catch all term for exiles and their families/friends who were born in the UK.
    I think you're full of shit.
    Go back on the previous threads earlier on this year, I’ve been posting about those same people talking about the atrocities of the Iranian regime.

    These people didn’t magically appear after the war started.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,401

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    Hesketh's speech alone when he went full Rambo would have been enough. Apart from the British chavs there are some very smart people living and working in the region. They know exactly what's going on and this is likely to destroy America's reputation in the Middle East forever. They all have international ad agencies wth networks around the world. I worked with many of them. I can only imagine the embarrassment of the Americans working in those agencies at the moment
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,894

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.

    What we have here is Trump Derangement Syndrome on an absolutely epic scale and, because Israel is involved, that being supercharged on steroids.
    If from conversations with your happy Iranian pals you could describe what the Trump/Bibi plan is and give a timetabled roadmap for its progress, that would be great.
  • To accuse anyone sceptical of this war as being related to Trump is rather silly.

    I am against this war entirely because it is not clear whatsoever what the end goal is.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,315
    edited 8:54AM

    algarkirk said:

    Badenoch not sounding like a wartime leader or LOTO on R4 Today this morning. Three sensible LOTO options: solemn toned full support; Benn/Cook like reasoned opposition to the whole thing; clarity about what the opposition would do further, next and different. She has chosen ambiguity and nit picking. Looks bad.

    She has the perpetual tone of a goody two shoes proudly grassing up one of her class mates to the teacher. Something for which she has form of course.
    Jumps in two footed on every issue from the get go. Every party has an "attack dog" e.g. Big Ange, but its a bad idea to have your leader do that. You want the leader to be more balanced and sound considered, then when it is clear the other party have f##ked up, you then pop up and stick the boot in. If you limit yourself to those situation it has far more impact than doing it every single week.

    Normally the best thing to do is have the attack dog outside the cabinet / shadow cabinet, then the leadership can say well that's not our policy position if they have gone two footed too early and it boomerangs into their face.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,795
    Sandpit said:

    Zelensky:

    https://x.com/zelenskyyua/status/2029470937695781108

    We received signals from partners in the Middle East. There have been strikes by Iranian “shaheds” on civilians in those countries. They are seeking our expertise. We are open. If their representatives come, we will provide the expertise. Especially since there is also a request from Europeans and from the United States. Requests have come to us to share our experience with partners in the Middle East.

    Regarding weapons: we ourselves are at war. And I said, completely frankly, that we have a shortage of what they have. They have missiles for the Patriots, but hundreds or thousands of “shaheds” cannot be intercepted with Patriot missiles – it is too costly. Nothing is too much for the people, of course, but they simply do not have that many missiles. That is why they need interceptor drones, which we have. Meanwhile, we have a shortage of PAC-2 and PAC-3 missiles. So, when it comes to technology or weapons exchange, I believe our country will be open to it.

    Ukraine are going to have a phenomenal defence industry at the end of this. They do now.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,365

    What’s this crappy catching arrows metaphor that Kemi is unwisely persisting with? She obviously thinks it’s a zinger.

    According to the Times Wireless chaps, their AI search identified it as being used just minutes before in the Commons (impressively up to date) by the leader of the Conservative Party (and here it goes pear-shaped) Rishi Sunak.

    Which shows the trouble with AI. It combines random information out of context leading to hallucinations. It is great at first drafts in seconds rather than hours or days but you need enough domain knowledge to check it before it wipes out your reputation or even your company.

    (h/t Betfair forum).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,894

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    Entirely unsurprising. I think this whole bloody misadventure is what happens when a very clever Israeli regime and a very stupid American one get together.
    "I spoke to some totally random people who I was shocked to learn completely agreed with me"

    It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.
    Lol.

    'And I've spoken to Iranians in exile (not just "heritage" friends, who happen to share my exact political opinions) who say the precise opposite and cheer regime change.'
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,201
    Sandpit said:

    Well I asked my Dad who is a lifelong Tory voter and my arbiter of middle England.

    He’s very against the Iran war but very pro increasing defence spending.

    So I think if Sir Keir were to increase defence spending, he’s onto a winner politically.

    Defence should really be a gateway question at the next election. Anyone who’s not in favour of a serious rearmament isn’t a viable candidate. The very first job of government is to defend the country.

    Now there’s nuanced discussions to be had about actual spending levels, it should for example be very easy to buy technology from Ukraine rather than spending billions into the MIC on some next-gen fighter boondoggle, but the capability needs to rise substantially.

    It’s a national embarrassment that there was seemingly no defensive capability at Akrotiri, and it’s going to take a week or more to get a single ship there. The Americans are already laughing at the Europeans, with very good reason.
    That’s all debatable. The very first job of the government might be to feed the country. Also, the UK’s defence seems fine. We are not under military threat. Akrotiri is, but I don’t think most people really think of that as part of the country, its odd legal status notwithstanding.

    The only reason the Europeans aren’t laughing at the Americans is because of the horror they have inflicted. This is an unnecessary war. Trump was bumped into it by the Israelis. Akrotiri wouldn’t be under threat if it wasn’t for the US and Israel’s actions, and the previous defence threat we were facing was defending a NATO ally from a US invasion in Greenland! Trump, Hegseth and RFK jr are bigger national embarrassments.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,365
    The dog that has not barked in the night time. JD Vance has said almost nothing about Trump's Iran war, just occasional lip-service support of the top man.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,795

    To accuse anyone sceptical of this war as being related to Trump is rather silly.

    I am against this war entirely because it is not clear whatsoever what the end goal is.

    It is an obvious and foolish repeat of past mistakes. But I freely admit to not liking Trump either.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,738

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    I’m seeing my barber tomorrow who’s Iranian. He’s been very pro bibi and Trump. Be interested in what he has to say.

    I suspect the likes of ahmedinajad were targeted simply for revenge and because they can and won’t be held to account.

    War crimes aren’t committed by the people who control the ICJ only by African warlords and east Europeans
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,894

    The dog that has not barked in the night time. JD Vance has said almost nothing about Trump's Iran war, just occasional lip-service support of the top man.

    I think he's waiting to see if it's a complete clusterfuck.

    Yond Vance has a hamster-cheeked and hungry look; He thinks too much. Such men are dangerous
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,485
    Reform appear to be peaking, hit by some combination of its taking in detritus from the last Tory government, its perceived closeness to Putin and Trump, and the Greens being the new NOTA kid on the block. So it's a relatively brave time to be betting on a further Tory collapse - although after yesterday's PMQs and this morning's R4 interview, Kemi isn't exactly coming across as potential PM material.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,315
    The Cypriot government has criticised the UK's response to drone attacks against an RAF base on the island ahead of a visit by Defence Secretary John Healey later.

    Cypriot High Commissioner to the UK Dr Kyriacos Kouros told BBC Newsnight Cypriots were "disappointed" about the standard of information sharing with residents after RAF Akrotiri was hit overnight on Sunday and further drones were intercepted.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e55y0pzgwo
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,315
    edited 9:00AM
    Two civilians have been injured by an Iranian drone attack in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijan foreign ministry says.

    Turkey yesterday, Azerbaijan today. Iran going full Millwall....no one likes us, we don't care....
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,839
    edited 9:00AM

    I spoke to my family's Iranian heritage friends who have been giving me the grim updates about the regime.

    In short the Americans and Israelis have the lost the Iranian people, the indiscriminate bombing and sheer nastiness of the targeting shows this isn't about nukes.

    They never thought they'd cheer the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is alive, somebody needs to explain how somebody who is nearly 70, been out of power for years, has nothing to do with the nuclear plans now was targeted?

    It has damaged the dissident movement, it has allowed the Mullahs to say the dissidents are the Zionist's useful idiots.

    For balance, I spoke to a school friend of my son's mum at the gate on Tuesday - who is a first generation migrant from Iran and visited family there as recently as early January - and she was clearly very happy about what had happened.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,029

    Two civilians have been injured by an Iranian drone attack in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijan foreign ministry says.

    Iran going full Millwall....no one likes us, we don't care....

    They need to attack Russia for the full house.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,234
    edited 9:02AM
    On Beeb live feed:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c62gg44d53xt

    Iranian drones hit Azerbaijan, says government
    published at 08:57
    08:57
    Breaking
    Two civilians have been injured by an Iranian drone attack in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijan foreign ministry says.

    "One drone struck the terminal building of the airport in the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic, while another drone fell near a school building in the village of Shakarabad," the ministry says.

    The drone attack damaged an airport building and injured two civilians.

    The Iranian ambassador to Azerbaijan has now been summoned, says the ministry, where "a strong protest will be conveyed to the Iranian side, and a corresponding note of protest will be presented".
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,795

    Alastair Campbell accuses the US of lying about the speed with which Iran could deploy weapons of mass destruction.

    https://x.com/campbellclaret/status/2029325419120394505

    :wink:
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,401
    Badenoch is way out of her depth. She's completely useless
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,234

    Alastair Campbell accuses the US of lying about the speed with which Iran could deploy weapons of mass destruction.

    https://x.com/campbellclaret/status/2029325419120394505

    Irony meter just exploded.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,232
    Roger said:

    The Telegraph really is a load of rubbish. How do they persuade intelligent...ish people to write this tripe? When you though Emma Barnett was as thick as you could get in the morning


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2026/02/27/starmer-will-be-sent-packing-by-a-white-house-arrogance/?recomm_id=17ea1f36-817b-4e95-b10d-b905cb9b2e12

    It really is ridiculous to say the word "arrogance" about someone opposed to Trump... its not just a tin ear, its a tin brain.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,837
    edited 9:05AM
    DavidL said:

    To accuse anyone sceptical of this war as being related to Trump is rather silly.

    I am against this war entirely because it is not clear whatsoever what the end goal is.

    It is an obvious and foolish repeat of past mistakes. But I freely admit to not liking Trump either.
    It's even worse. Trump is being pulled along in Bibi's wake. I do suffer from Netanyahu Derangement Syndrome, but tell me on this I am wrong.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,795

    DavidL said:

    To accuse anyone sceptical of this war as being related to Trump is rather silly.

    I am against this war entirely because it is not clear whatsoever what the end goal is.

    It is an obvious and foolish repeat of past mistakes. But I freely admit to not liking Trump either.
    It's even worse. Trump is being pulled along in Bibi's wake. I do suffer from Netanyahu Derangement Syndrome, but tell me on this I am wrong.
    Nope.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,447

    The dog that has not barked in the night time. JD Vance has said almost nothing about Trump's Iran war, just occasional lip-service support of the top man.

    I think he's waiting to see if it's a complete clusterfuck.

    Yond Vance has a hamster-cheeked and hungry look; He thinks too much. Such men are dangerous
    Vance could yet be Rishi to Trump's Boris, the Brutus to his Caesar. If the Iran war goes badly for Trump it could be his partygate and Pincher moment
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,208

    Two civilians have been injured by an Iranian drone attack in Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijan foreign ministry says.

    Turkey yesterday, Azerbaijan today. Iran going full Millwall....no one likes us, we don't care....

    I believe Iran borders 13 countries (if you include maritime borders).

    Have they attacked Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmensistan yet?
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