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  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,909

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2028885697612902749

    Germany's Merz supports U.S. embargoing Spain, claims it's to "convince" them to increase NATO spending.

    Is there a longer clip that matches that description? Because the clip you posted doesn't actually show that at all.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,502

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    To be fair, I think Iran would say they're getting full attack.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,797

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    Boris Johnson consistently visited the buffet at events, if that counts.
    To be fair, he can't possibly maintain that level of muscularity without regularly topping up the protein.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,020
    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    I agree. In a sense his attempts to 'manage' Trump show him in a good light because it would have been personally unpleasant to have his tongue up there and it was putting (in his genuine perception) the national interest over domestic popularity and party, but it was a mistake. It misread Trump as 'transactional'. He isn't. He's wild and nasty. So it's led to the worst of all worlds. Looks weak for the obfuscation and punch pulling, gets the negative reward of being insulted.
    There's another reading where Starmer has the measure of Trump and sees him as a problem to be dealt with. So he engages where he can and resists where he must. But otherwise as you say. People see this inconsistency and think he's vacillating as per normal.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,909
    rkrkrk said:

    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ·
    2h
    Trump has made it clear. This is a regime change mission. But you don't achieve regime change by replacing Khamenei with another ayatollah. In order for regime change to happen, the entire structure of the ayatollahs and the Revolutionary Guard must be swept away.

    https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/2028846608704475397

    I'm looking forward to Bolton getting in uniform and leading the US assault on Tehran himself, if he's that set on it.
    From wiki: "Bolton was a supporter of the Vietnam War,[36] but avoided combat through a student deferment followed by enlistment in the Maryland National Guard."
    Lol. Of course. Typical Neocon chickenhawk.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    edited March 3
    RAF F35 jets shoot down drones over Jordon

    RAF Typhoon jet took out a drone in Qatar

    UK ground troops taken out drones in Iraq airspace

    Whether we like it or not we are involved in this war
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,717

    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
    Are Mertz and Carney traitors ?
    Thats up to Germans and Canadians to decide.

    They're very stupid. if it ends like Iraq it'll hag around their necks like a bad smell for as long as they live
    We're already on a totally different trajectory. However it ends up, it won't be "like Iraq".
    I'm not convinced Trump won't launch a land invasion. The temptation to succeed in the takeover of a foreign state where the hated Bushes failed might prove to be overwhelming.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,151

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2028885697612902749

    Germany's Merz supports U.S. embargoing Spain, claims it's to "convince" them to increase NATO spending.

    Is there a longer clip that matches that description? Because the clip you posted doesn't actually show that at all.
    Merz and the rest of the EU is irritated with Spain and its NATO contributions but I would be astonished if Merz actually said that . Supporting a trade embargo against a fellow EU member !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,411
    An excellent report for today on the situation in the Hormuz Strait.

    From my favourite shipping channel, What's Going on with Shipping.

    Episode is entitled: Dire Strait.

    He's particularly cross with the insurance companies, who have ordered everyone not to move - -perhaps whist waiting for their trebled rates to kick-in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUALzztelM
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,272
    Sandpit said:

    More than 1,000 drones and missiles now sent from Iran to UAE. 94% successful interception rate.

    https://x.com/sajwani/status/2028880316321153415

    4 deaths and 50 injuries so far, mostly from falling debris rather than direct strikes.

    That is still over 60 drones getting through.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,909
    nico67 said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2028885697612902749

    Germany's Merz supports U.S. embargoing Spain, claims it's to "convince" them to increase NATO spending.

    Is there a longer clip that matches that description? Because the clip you posted doesn't actually show that at all.
    Merz and the rest of the EU is irritated with Spain and its NATO contributions but I would be astonished if Merz actually said that . Supporting a trade embargo against a fellow EU member !
    Yeah in the clip he says Spain should spend more on defence. At no point does he say that he supports a trade embargo on Spain in pursuit of that goal. I would be beyond astonished if he said that, which would amount to the destruction of the EU's single market, apart from anything else. I think our friend William is being a little bit naughty here...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22

    More threats against allies. And some people don't accept NATO is dead. It's a new world and we have to get used to it - Trump is a symptom, so him going solves nothing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,463
    Now we're sending a 'defensive' warship to the eastern Med, which I'll soon be seeing go by from my window
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    A hypothetical......
    Iran conducts a nuclear test
    Does support for the war start to swiftly increase?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318
    MattW said:

    An excellent report for today on the situation in the Hormuz Strait.

    From my favourite shipping channel, What's Going on with Shipping.

    Episode is entitled: Dire Strait.

    He's particularly cross with the insurance companies, who have ordered everyone not to move - -perhaps whist waiting for their trebled rates to kick-in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUALzztelM

    Those insurance companies want money for nothing.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,411
    edited March 3

    nico67 said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2028885697612902749

    Germany's Merz supports U.S. embargoing Spain, claims it's to "convince" them to increase NATO spending.

    Is there a longer clip that matches that description? Because the clip you posted doesn't actually show that at all.
    Merz and the rest of the EU is irritated with Spain and its NATO contributions but I would be astonished if Merz actually said that . Supporting a trade embargo against a fellow EU member !
    Yeah in the clip he says Spain should spend more on defence. At no point does he say that he supports a trade embargo on Spain in pursuit of that goal. I would be beyond astonished if he said that, which would amount to the destruction of the EU's single market, apart from anything else. I think our friend William is being a little bit naughty here...
    Just William.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,248

    Butter then jam, cream is superfluous.
    I have pronounced.
    All now be silent

    Why wouldn't you want a treat to be superfluous - what is this, Puritanbetting.com?

    Butter first, then jam, then cream. There is nothing that cannot be improved by adding butter, as any chef will tell you. And cream is the topping.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,534

    A hypothetical......
    Iran conducts a nuclear test
    Does support for the war start to swiftly increase?

    Depends on which country they test it.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,049
    edited March 3
    Brixian59 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

    I am not fan of this Trumpian adventure and pleased the UK has not jumped in with both feet. I disagree with Farage and Badenoch on this. But your wild comments really do make me think that you are the one with the mental illness.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,151

    A hypothetical......
    Iran conducts a nuclear test
    Does support for the war start to swiftly increase?

    We’ve been hearing for the last 30 years from Netenyahu that they’re two weeks from having a nuclear weapon .

    Iran only started enriching uranium again when the imbecile tore up Obama’s deal .
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174

    Sandpit said:

    More than 1,000 drones and missiles now sent from Iran to UAE. 94% successful interception rate.

    https://x.com/sajwani/status/2028880316321153415

    4 deaths and 50 injuries so far, mostly from falling debris rather than direct strikes.

    That is still over 60 drones getting through.
    Each drone carries 50-90kg of explosives.

    So 60 of those is about equivalent to two He-111 bombers (see movie Battle of Britain).

  • glwglw Posts: 10,788

    Trump can't even recall which country his own father was born in.

    Get the codes off him now.

    I thought I caught that when I heard him. Did he say that?

    Genuinely the man is a moron; his rambling, incoherent, dishonest, nonsense in almost any other walk of life would see him being shown the exit. It's ridiculous that someone so unfit for office has so much power.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,411
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    An excellent report for today on the situation in the Hormuz Strait.

    From my favourite shipping channel, What's Going on with Shipping.

    Episode is entitled: Dire Strait.

    He's particularly cross with the insurance companies, who have ordered everyone not to move - -perhaps whist waiting for their trebled rates to kick-in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUALzztelM

    Those insurance companies want money for nothing.
    There's also the small matter that rates to contract a VLCC are up from $50k per day to $400k per day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611
    Brixian59 said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
    Supporting US action, even now, can make sense. But when some support Trump over their own country it beggars belief - plenty of right wingers dislike Trump, but some seem to fawn over him which is just odd (like people fawning over Obama) and ensures a split right.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    Brixian59 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

    You can disagree with Kemi as you do in most posts but accusing her of a mental illness is just nasty

    I posted today about irrational hate [9.15am] of a person and you need to look it up and look in the mirror
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,248

    Brixian59 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

    I am not fan of this Trumpian adventure and pleased the UK has not jumped in with both feet. I dusagree with with Farage and Badenoch on this. But your wild comments really do make me think that you are the one with the mental illness.

    Me too. Team Starmer for me.

    I do wonder from the news above, if Trump is ever going to get slightly annoyed that Israel is gaily flattening his hopes of a political handover.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,248
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    An excellent report for today on the situation in the Hormuz Strait.

    From my favourite shipping channel, What's Going on with Shipping.

    Episode is entitled: Dire Strait.

    He's particularly cross with the insurance companies, who have ordered everyone not to move - -perhaps whist waiting for their trebled rates to kick-in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUALzztelM

    Those insurance companies want money for nothing.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZzTTICHrAI&pp=0gcJCY4Bo7VqN5tD
  • Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    An excellent report for today on the situation in the Hormuz Strait.

    From my favourite shipping channel, What's Going on with Shipping.

    Episode is entitled: Dire Strait.

    He's particularly cross with the insurance companies, who have ordered everyone not to move - -perhaps whist waiting for their trebled rates to kick-in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUALzztelM

    Those insurance companies want money for nothing.
    I struggle to care about it. It's So Far Away.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,248

    Brixian59 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

    You can disagree with Kemi as you do in most posts but accusing her of a mental illness is just nasty

    I posted today about irrational hate [9.15am] of a person and you need to look it up and look in the mirror
    When you take the last sentence of Brixian's post, one doesn't have to be Freud to detect a whiff of projection does one?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Brixian59 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

    You can disagree with Kemi as you do in most posts but accusing her of a mental illness is just nasty

    I posted today about irrational hate [9.15am] of a person and you need to look it up and look in the mirror
    Her own supporters claim that she will have an argument with herself in the mirror as some sort of a badge of honour.

    It's not the behaviour of a serious politician.

    The fact that Tories are now supporting Trump over a British PM seeking to keep our Armed Forces from an unnecessary war is beyond disgusting.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,411
    I'm loving the frothing (or frotting) on GB News about how wonderful Trump is and SKS is not at all Churchillian.

    In WW2 when Churchill was managing the Americans, on the side they were designing the system of international law and the UN together, to identify how to keep tyrants like Trump in check.

    :smile:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,411

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    An excellent report for today on the situation in the Hormuz Strait.

    From my favourite shipping channel, What's Going on with Shipping.

    Episode is entitled: Dire Strait.

    He's particularly cross with the insurance companies, who have ordered everyone not to move - -perhaps whist waiting for their trebled rates to kick-in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUALzztelM

    Those insurance companies want money for nothing.
    I struggle to care about it. It's So Far Away.
    It goes on your imported products bill.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,666
    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787
    edited March 3
    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,534
    edited March 3
    More on that Trump plan we ought to be behind.
    On who will take over in Iran.
    “most of the people we had in mind are dead”.
    He also noted that those the administration had in mind from “another group” may be dead, based on reports.

    Keep well clear.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    edited March 3

    Brixian59 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

    You can disagree with Kemi as you do in most posts but accusing her of a mental illness is just nasty

    I posted today about irrational hate [9.15am] of a person and you need to look it up and look in the mirror
    When you take the last sentence of Brixian's post, one doesn't have to be Freud to detect a whiff of projection does one?
    There comes a time when enough is enough

    Why would anyone want to be in public life to receive uncalled for and even threatening observations

    Kemi is there to be criticised and argued with, but no politician deserves the abuse handed out in most every post by @Brixian59

    Indeed it applies to two ethic conservative female politicians, and ends with a wish for Tel Aviv to be destroyed with all the innocents that would involve
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,248
    edited March 3
    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I didn't know they were in Dolce & Gabbana, apart from Sir Keir’s ponced spectacles.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,598
    dixiedean said:

    More on that Trump plan we ought to be behind.
    On who will take over in Iran.
    “most of the people we had in mind are dead”.
    He also noted that those the administration had in mind from “another group” may be dead, based on reports.

    Keep well clear.

    I am happy to serve as Viceroy of Iran.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,428
    edited March 3
    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    An excellent report for today on the situation in the Hormuz Strait.

    From my favourite shipping channel, What's Going on with Shipping.

    Episode is entitled: Dire Strait.

    He's particularly cross with the insurance companies, who have ordered everyone not to move - -perhaps whist waiting for their trebled rates to kick-in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xUALzztelM

    Those insurance companies want money for nothing.
    Well, yes.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,105
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22

    More threats against allies. And some people don't accept NATO is dead. It's a new world and we have to get used to it - Trump is a symptom, so him going solves nothing.
    The US doing this makes NATO more important, not less. It also makes an EU/CPTPP trade deal the most sensible priority we should all have to bring together Carney’s coalition of the “middle powers”.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,666
    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    Also massive uptick, as a percentage, of those whim wouldn’t vote for the Greens.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787
    nico67 said:

    A hypothetical......
    Iran conducts a nuclear test
    Does support for the war start to swiftly increase?

    We’ve been hearing for the last 30 years from Netenyahu that they’re two weeks from having a nuclear weapon .

    Iran only started enriching uranium again when the imbecile tore up Obama’s deal .
    When Bibi is done I wonder where on the modern era Billboard 100 of murderous autocrats he will finish.

    Same goes for Trump.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,410

    dixiedean said:

    More on that Trump plan we ought to be behind.
    On who will take over in Iran.
    “most of the people we had in mind are dead”.
    He also noted that those the administration had in mind from “another group” may be dead, based on reports.

    Keep well clear.

    I am happy to serve as Viceroy of Iran.
    Is that on a WFH basis?
    Asking for a friend interested in not being bombed by Israel.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,191

    dixiedean said:

    More on that Trump plan we ought to be behind.
    On who will take over in Iran.
    “most of the people we had in mind are dead”.
    He also noted that those the administration had in mind from “another group” may be dead, based on reports.

    Keep well clear.

    I am happy to serve as Viceroy of Iran.
    You might be targeted next!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22

    More threats against allies. And some people don't accept NATO is dead. It's a new world and we have to get used to it - Trump is a symptom, so him going solves nothing.
    He does remind me, very much, of a twentieth century leader. One who was long past it, invaded his allies and said he had a right to because reasons, rambled endlessly because he had dementia, invaded a random Muslim country that had annoyed him, and whose court was full of sycophantic idiots most of whom were superannuated themselves.

    Yep - Trump is Leonid Brezhnev.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,366
    An American POV. Much more interesting than Clive Myrie!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzpgGXW4p-E
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    edited March 3
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
    We've always known what Farage is, a grubby little Fascist with the attitude he's a rent boy for any Right Wing paymaster.

    Now we've discovered what Badenoch is, a glove puppet for Pritti Patel, Mossad and uber Right Wing trumpism. Whilst Farages treachery is deep seated Fascism, Badenoch is something far simpler.

    A mental illness that renders her incapable of agreeing with anyone she deems an opponent, she has no stop button. no understanding of diplomacy a complete loose cannon.Argue Argue Argue is her only reason to exist.

    You can disagree with Kemi as you do in most posts but accusing her of a mental illness is just nasty

    I posted today about irrational hate [9.15am] of a person and you need to look it up and look in the mirror
    Her own supporters claim that she will have an argument with herself in the mirror as some sort of a badge of honour.

    It's not the behaviour of a serious politician.

    The fact that Tories are now supporting Trump over a British PM seeking to keep our Armed Fstaorces from an unnecessary war is beyond disgusting.
    Seems Metz, Carney, the gulf states and others are supporting the US and Israel and Starmer has not kept us from this war as we are active in the field of combat as we speak

    My objection is your constant demeaning and accusations of mental health issues with Kemi which is clearly irrational hatred and I am not alone in this view
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787
    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    Conservative redemption (or irrelevance) is almost complete.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,598
    edited March 3
    Dopermean said:

    dixiedean said:

    More on that Trump plan we ought to be behind.
    On who will take over in Iran.
    “most of the people we had in mind are dead”.
    He also noted that those the administration had in mind from “another group” may be dead, based on reports.

    Keep well clear.

    I am happy to serve as Viceroy of Iran.
    Is that on a WFH basis?
    Asking for a friend interested in not being bombed by Israel.
    I'd be based in the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, it's a decent hotel, stayed there a few times, not bad.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,797
    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    "Headline" polling should include the option of voting against as well as voting for. I suspect around a third of the electorate think that way, and we are crucial to mapping the percentages into actual seats.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,411

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    It looks a bit uncosted:

    In its initial analysis, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) questioned the manifesto's credibility.

    David Phillips, the think tank's head of devolved and local government finance, said: "The Welsh Conservatives' flagship proposals are reductions to three of Wales's devolved taxes: the Welsh rates of income tax, land transaction tax and business rates.

    "But at a time when spending pressures in many areas are rising, a government that wants to cut taxes must also commit to spending less – and the manifesto lacks a credible plan for where these savings will come from."

    It was "much easier to promise efficiency savings than to deliver them – and history is replete with governments failing to achieve productivity targets and having to top up budgets", he warned.

    It was therefore "hard to see how the proposed combination of tax cuts and spending increases could be paid for without significant cut-backs in at least some Welsh government services", Phillips added.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d6k4p5472o
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611

    Johnson was a leading Green and on the London council iirc.



    Darren Johnson
    @DarrenJohnson66

    I've joined @UKLabour

    . As an environmentalist and left-leaning social democrat, my views are now far closer to Labour than the increasingly radicalised Greens and are much better reflected in the work of people like Ed Miliband and Sadiq Khan than by Zack Polanski or Mothin Ali.

    https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2028733087996072335

    It is almost refreshing to see someone move in that direction, like the also unusual Reform to Conservative, like it is a sign of normality.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787

    Johnson was a leading Green and on the London council iirc.



    Darren Johnson
    @DarrenJohnson66

    I've joined @UKLabour

    . As an environmentalist and left-leaning social democrat, my views are now far closer to Labour than the increasingly radicalised Greens and are much better reflected in the work of people like Ed Miliband and Sadiq Khan than by Zack Polanski or Mothin Ali.

    https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2028733087996072335

    I can't see the Greens retaining North Herefordshire on a Corbynista agenda. A Con gain if ever I saw one.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112

    Johnson was a leading Green and on the London council iirc.



    Darren Johnson
    @DarrenJohnson66

    I've joined @UKLabour

    . As an environmentalist and left-leaning social democrat, my views are now far closer to Labour than the increasingly radicalised Greens and are much better reflected in the work of people like Ed Miliband and Sadiq Khan than by Zack Polanski or Mothin Ali.

    https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2028733087996072335

    I can't see the Greens retaining North Herefordshire on a Corbynista agenda. A Con gain if ever I saw one.
    Waveney Valley will likely go to Reform or Tory too. Its a bit 'arts n craftsy' for Reform. A split RefCon vote might allow a Green hold though
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,248

    Who gives a fuck if Trump's miffed with us? We went so far up his arse it wasn't funny and it worked precisely until the man-baby changed his mind and he wasn't happy with us for whatever whim it was that day even well before any of this Iran nonsense.

    If he wants to be a great statesman (or even a barely mediocre one, which would be a vast improvement from where he currently is) he can learn the lesson that dicking about with your allies almost at random just causes them to be less allied to you. Shock horror.

    Personally I'm delighted he is if it takes Chagos off the table.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,151
    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I remain convinced that the Green policy on drugs is a huge own goal and will cost them a lot of votes .

    They might get away with it for a while but under more scrutiny and in the run up to the next GE I expect the wheels to fall off .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611
    Only way to do it

    Love elections in France 🇫🇷

    🟫 Far right candidate:
    Mourad Amellal
    North African
    Member of the Kabyle separatist "Gov't in exile"

    🟥 Far left one:
    Sophie De La Rochefoucauld
    Actress, Member of the nobility
    ("Dukes of La Roche-Guyon" branch of the "House of La Rochefoucauld"

    https://nitter.poast.org/Arnold_Platon/status/2028548163485737003#m
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
  • Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    Also massive uptick, as a percentage, of those whim wouldn’t vote for the Greens.
    Is there something counter-intuitive in that, as Reform and the Greens become more popular/their lead bedded in, people become more likely to want to vote against them?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
    Sort of committments that will lead to 'oh shit' if a miracle occured.
    Its really about getting 10 to 12 seats of course
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611

    Who gives a fuck if Trump's miffed with us? We went so far up his arse it wasn't funny and it worked precisely until the man-baby changed his mind and he wasn't happy with us for whatever whim it was that day even well before any of this Iran nonsense.

    If he wants to be a great statesman (or even a barely mediocre one, which would be a vast improvement from where he currently is) he can learn the lesson that dicking about with your allies almost at random just causes them to be less allied to you. Shock horror.

    There are downsides, but he is so capricious and vindictive, so wrapped up in making everything personal, that it really makes no sense to debase oneself to be on his good side, since he doesn't add that to a credit list for tomorrow, you are just as likely to face his ire and there's no guessing what he might get mad at (eg how dare people argue against my threatening to invade Greenland?)

    Long term goal is to totally separate ourselves from the USA. That will be very painful given we seem unable to do much of anything, and cannot afford anything either.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    Also massive uptick, as a percentage, of those whim wouldn’t vote for the Greens.
    Is there something counter-intuitive in that, as Reform and the Greens become more popular/their lead bedded in, people become more likely to want to vote against them?
    Sign of the times, people like to go all in on those they like or hate. As they become more known people get off the fence and like/dislike them further, whilst leaving 'don't know' for the older parties.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,272
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I remain convinced that the Green policy on drugs is a huge own goal and will cost them a lot of votes .

    They might get away with it for a while but under more scrutiny and in the run up to the next GE I expect the wheels to fall off .
    That Matt cartoon "We voted Green. More heroin, vicar?" was a joy....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22

    More threats against allies. And some people don't accept NATO is dead. It's a new world and we have to get used to it - Trump is a symptom, so him going solves nothing.
    The US doing this makes NATO more important, not less. It also makes an EU/CPTPP trade deal the most sensible priority we should all have to bring together Carney’s coalition of the “middle powers”.
    Without the US NATO is hamstung.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I remain convinced that the Green policy on drugs is a huge own goal and will cost them a lot of votes .

    They might get away with it for a while but under more scrutiny and in the run up to the next GE I expect the wheels to fall off .
    That Matt cartoon "We voted Green. More heroin, vicar?" was a joy....
    I find it very odd that everyone is suddenly surprised what the Green policy on drugs is.

    iirc it has been the same for decades: basically treating addiction as a health issue and not a criminal system thing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22

    More threats against allies. And some people don't accept NATO is dead. It's a new world and we have to get used to it - Trump is a symptom, so him going solves nothing.
    He does remind me, very much, of a twentieth century leader. One who was long past it, invaded his allies and said he had a right to because reasons, rambled endlessly because he had dementia, invaded a random Muslim country that had annoyed him, and whose court was full of sycophantic idiots most of whom were superannuated themselves.

    Yep - Trump is Leonid Brezhnev.
    You forgot the collect of semi-useless thieves that Brezhnev called a family.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,797

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    Also massive uptick, as a percentage, of those whim wouldn’t vote for the Greens.
    Is there something counter-intuitive in that, as Reform and the Greens become more popular/their lead bedded in, people become more likely to want to vote against them?
    Nothing counter intuitive. Currently I'm all in for Count Binface. Those of you who don't want the hand dryer in the Fox and Crown to work, or 99 Flakes to cost 99p have absolutely nothing to worry about. Once he starts his inevitable climb up the polls however.......
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318
    Hmm, not so quiet in the skies above Dubai this evening…
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494

    Johnson was a leading Green and on the London council iirc.



    Darren Johnson
    @DarrenJohnson66

    I've joined @UKLabour

    . As an environmentalist and left-leaning social democrat, my views are now far closer to Labour than the increasingly radicalised Greens and are much better reflected in the work of people like Ed Miliband and Sadiq Khan than by Zack Polanski or Mothin Ali.

    https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2028733087996072335

    I can't see the Greens retaining North Herefordshire on a Corbynista agenda. A Con gain if ever I saw one.
    Waveney Valley will likely go to Reform or Tory too. Its a bit 'arts n craftsy' for Reform. A split RefCon vote might allow a Green hold though
    Only way either of these is a hold is if there is a personal vote because they turn out to be very hard working and totally locally focused.

    First time incumbants can sometimes buck the system like that.

    Not being leader will certainly give Ramsey more time to be on his patch.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,534
    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    More interesting that those who will vote against Labour has declined.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22

    More threats against allies. And some people don't accept NATO is dead. It's a new world and we have to get used to it - Trump is a symptom, so him going solves nothing.
    He does remind me, very much, of a twentieth century leader. One who was long past it, invaded his allies and said he had a right to because reasons, rambled endlessly because he had dementia, invaded a random Muslim country that had annoyed him, and whose court was full of sycophantic idiots most of whom were superannuated themselves.

    Yep - Trump is Leonid Brezhnev.
    You forgot the collect of semi-useless thieves that Brezhnev called a family.
    That only improves the parallel!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,797
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting finding from MIC:

    "Tracking our *negative* voting intention (who would Britons vote AGAINST):

    ➡️ Ref 38% (+9)
    🌹Lab 34% (-4)
    🌳 Con 7% (-1)
    🌏 Green 7% (+4)
    🐦‍ LD 3% (-)
    changes w/ Nov 2025

    As Reform has plateaued in the polls, the number of people saying they would also vote *against* Reform has grown"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edhodgsoned.bsky.social/post/3mg63bddkd22b

    More interesting that those who will vote against Labour has declined.
    It will probably rise again with military action, from both those who think we should be more involved and those who think we should be less involved.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,237
    IanB2 said:

    Now we're sending a 'defensive' warship to the eastern Med, which I'll soon be seeing go by from my window

    HMS Tickle of the Cuddle Class of British Love Boats.

    It will take 6 days to get there, by which time Iran won’t have anything bar the kitchen sink to chuck, and Hezbollah won’t even exist.

    Why is Tickle even going there, just a pointless performative sop to the UK media, or to actually add something which is missing?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984
    https://x.com/mariatad/status/2028904735239999917

    Trump threatened a trade embargo sitting next to the German Chancellor who barely got a word out in support to fellow EU country. Sources close to Spanish indicate Madrid not caving, coming back with severe words too. Big diplomatic spat ahead.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,411
    edited March 3

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I remain convinced that the Green policy on drugs is a huge own goal and will cost them a lot of votes .

    They might get away with it for a while but under more scrutiny and in the run up to the next GE I expect the wheels to fall off .
    That Matt cartoon "We voted Green. More heroin, vicar?" was a joy....
    I find it very odd that everyone is suddenly surprised what the Green policy on drugs is.

    iirc it has been the same for decades: basically treating addiction as a health issue and not a criminal system thing.
    A return back to the approach used in the UK until iirc the mid-1950s, is it not?

    @OldKingCole will know.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
    Sort of committments that will lead to 'oh shit' if a miracle occured.
    Its really about getting 10 to 12 seats of course
    Saw a Welsh Tory leaflet extolling the virtues of the list voting system in ensuring they could win seats. FPTP no longer good enough I suppose.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112

    Johnson was a leading Green and on the London council iirc.



    Darren Johnson
    @DarrenJohnson66

    I've joined @UKLabour

    . As an environmentalist and left-leaning social democrat, my views are now far closer to Labour than the increasingly radicalised Greens and are much better reflected in the work of people like Ed Miliband and Sadiq Khan than by Zack Polanski or Mothin Ali.

    https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2028733087996072335

    I can't see the Greens retaining North Herefordshire on a Corbynista agenda. A Con gain if ever I saw one.
    Waveney Valley will likely go to Reform or Tory too. Its a bit 'arts n craftsy' for Reform. A split RefCon vote might allow a Green hold though
    Only way either of these is a hold is if there is a personal vote because they turn out to be very hard working and totally locally focused.

    First time incumbants can sometimes buck the system like that.

    Not being leader will certainly give Ramsey more time to be on his patch.
    I dont think he will stand again. He is about as far from Polanskiism as you can get. He also gave up both the deputy leadership of the Greens and leadership of the Green opposition group on Norwich city council in the early 2010s to go into Green Industry, so he has 'form' as it were on giving up on elected politics
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
    I know Darren (Millar) and he is a hard working constituency MS with lots of local media coverage and a family man

    That doesn't mean the conservative are not looking at a terrible result in May though

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    kle4 said:

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
    Sort of committments that will lead to 'oh shit' if a miracle occured.
    Its really about getting 10 to 12 seats of course
    Saw a Welsh Tory leaflet extolling the virtues of the list voting system in ensuring they could win seats. FPTP no longer good enough I suppose.
    FPTP would be ideal if Monmouthshire were all of Wales
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941
    MattW said:

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    It looks a bit uncosted:

    In its initial analysis, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) questioned the manifesto's credibility.

    David Phillips, the think tank's head of devolved and local government finance, said: "The Welsh Conservatives' flagship proposals are reductions to three of Wales's devolved taxes: the Welsh rates of income tax, land transaction tax and business rates.

    "But at a time when spending pressures in many areas are rising, a government that wants to cut taxes must also commit to spending less – and the manifesto lacks a credible plan for where these savings will come from."

    It was "much easier to promise efficiency savings than to deliver them – and history is replete with governments failing to achieve productivity targets and having to top up budgets", he warned.

    It was therefore "hard to see how the proposed combination of tax cuts and spending increases could be paid for without significant cut-backs in at least some Welsh government services", Phillips added.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d6k4p5472o
    Which is a shame because actually the ideas are good (although I'm not sure quite what they mean by dualling the A55 to Bangor - it already is dualled to Bangor. Maybe they mean replacing the Britannia Bridge section with a proper road bridge that makes it dual carriageway throughout).

    But dualling the A40 to Fishguard and building a proper M4 to bypass Newport is long overdue.

    Next question - how will they pay for it? - is of course that they can't without raising taxes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941

    kle4 said:

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
    Sort of committments that will lead to 'oh shit' if a miracle occured.
    Its really about getting 10 to 12 seats of course
    Saw a Welsh Tory leaflet extolling the virtues of the list voting system in ensuring they could win seats. FPTP no longer good enough I suppose.
    FPTP would be ideal if Monmouthshire were all of Wales
    Er, they lost Monmouthshire two years ago.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
    Sort of committments that will lead to 'oh shit' if a miracle occured.
    Its really about getting 10 to 12 seats of course
    Saw a Welsh Tory leaflet extolling the virtues of the list voting system in ensuring they could win seats. FPTP no longer good enough I suppose.
    FPTP would be ideal if Monmouthshire were all of Wales
    Er, they lost Monmouthshire two years ago.
    They wouldnt today is the point.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,909

    https://x.com/mariatad/status/2028904735239999917

    Trump threatened a trade embargo sitting next to the German Chancellor who barely got a word out in support to fellow EU country. Sources close to Spanish indicate Madrid not caving, coming back with severe words too. Big diplomatic spat ahead.

    I see your account of events has evolved...
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,439
    edited March 3
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I remain convinced that the Green policy on drugs is a huge own goal and will cost them a lot of votes .

    They might get away with it for a while but under more scrutiny and in the run up to the next GE I expect the wheels to fall off .
    I don't think the drugs stuff will be that damaging.
    I think that what will cost the Greens a lot more votes at the next election are their current policies on a) immigration/asylum, and b) transgender rights, including self ID. In both instances, I think the zeitgeist has changed to make the current Green stance pretty unpopular with around 80% of voters, for good or bad.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,151
    Apparently it’s the 80th anniversary of Churchill first using the phrase “ the special relationship “ in two days time .

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I remain convinced that the Green policy on drugs is a huge own goal and will cost them a lot of votes .

    They might get away with it for a while but under more scrutiny and in the run up to the next GE I expect the wheels to fall off .
    I don't think the drugs stuff will be that damaging.
    I think that what will cost the Greens a lot more votes at the next election are their current policies on a) immigration/asylum, and b) transgender rights, including self ID. In both instances, I think the zeitgeist has changed to make the current Green stance pretty unpopular with around 80% of voters, for good or bad.
    I think with any party suddenly being considered a party of govt for the first time there will be some rough edges/crazy members who can blow up all kinds of stuff.

    Think UKIP back in the day. They had a right collection of people who when put in media spotlight came up with some devastatingly self-destructive things to say.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,130

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22

    More threats against allies. And some people don't accept NATO is dead. It's a new world and we have to get used to it - Trump is a symptom, so him going solves nothing.
    He does remind me, very much, of a twentieth century leader. One who was long past it, invaded his allies and said he had a right to because reasons, rambled endlessly because he had dementia, invaded a random Muslim country that had annoyed him, and whose court was full of sycophantic idiots most of whom were superannuated themselves.

    Yep - Trump is Leonid Brezhnev.
    You forgot the collect of semi-useless thieves that Brezhnev called a family.
    That only improves the parallel!
    It does, indeed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,191

    Johnson was a leading Green and on the London council iirc.

    Darren Johnson
    @DarrenJohnson66

    I've joined @UKLabour

    . As an environmentalist and left-leaning social democrat, my views are now far closer to Labour than the increasingly radicalised Greens and are much better reflected in the work of people like Ed Miliband and Sadiq Khan than by Zack Polanski or Mothin Ali.

    https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2028733087996072335

    Wow! I remember voting for him as second choice after Red Ken for the London Mayoralty way back in 2000. Heady days!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,189
    Evening all :)

    Yet we still come back to the central question - IF regime change is to be achieved, how is it to be done? Will we see some form of ground intervention by American forces or will there continue to be the "hope" of a successful civil insurrection against a weakened IGRC?

    The second key question is what replaces the theocracy? The first principle, I think, is it should be up to the Iranians to choose their own form of Government and certainly not for Washington to impose something on them. Whether it's a republic or a constitutional monarchy shouldn't bother us too much, I'd argue, and whether Pahlavi plays any more than a transitional role is again something for the Iranian people to decide.

    I note Eastern European Communism collapsed quickly and completely after 44 years and we know have 47 since the "Revolution" which toppled the Shah. There were concerns Communist practice was too deeply embedded in some Eastern European societies to be shaken off but I think that wasn't the case and it may well be theocracy's roots in Iran will prove shallow.

    For now, though, it seems the Iranian regime still has some fight and they know the economic price to the West of maintaining a climate of fear in the Gulf far outweighs any military advantage obtained. The hyper sensitivity of much of the world to oil and gas price movements is arguably Iran's greatest asset and it is to be hoped stability can be restored to oil and gas supplies sooner rather than later.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,611
    At least one thing gets better over time

    Operation name trajectory:

    1944 — Neptune
    1991 — Desert Storm
    2001 — Enduring Freedom
    2026 — Epic Fury
    2030 — Kickass Eagle with Laser Eyes Pew Pew Pew

    https://nitter.poast.org/ArthurCDent/status/2028254008406913465#m
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,657
    Horror day..personally speaking. Trying to catch up.
    Is there any truth that Starmer is prevaricating over the use of Diego Garcia?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,191
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Wow!

    Welsh Tories announcing some fantastic policies for when they win the Senedd. A penny off income tax, improved NHS, 20mph limits returned to 30. M4 relief road at Newport, A55 dualled all the way to Bangor and the A40 dualled to Fishguard.

    Loads of freebies. Bet accordingly

    Well they aint winning so might as well shore up the vote with some red meat
    It is all costed according to their gammony leader, who's name escapes me for the moment. BBC Wales editorial found the notion that the programme is "fully coated" rather amusing.
    Sort of committments that will lead to 'oh shit' if a miracle occured.
    Its really about getting 10 to 12 seats of course
    Saw a Welsh Tory leaflet extolling the virtues of the list voting system in ensuring they could win seats. FPTP no longer good enough I suppose.
    FPTP would be ideal if Monmouthshire were all of Wales
    Er, they lost Monmouthshire two years ago.
    England lost Monmouthshire even earlier...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494

    Johnson was a leading Green and on the London council iirc.



    Darren Johnson
    @DarrenJohnson66

    I've joined @UKLabour

    . As an environmentalist and left-leaning social democrat, my views are now far closer to Labour than the increasingly radicalised Greens and are much better reflected in the work of people like Ed Miliband and Sadiq Khan than by Zack Polanski or Mothin Ali.

    https://x.com/DarrenJohnson66/status/2028733087996072335

    I can't see the Greens retaining North Herefordshire on a Corbynista agenda. A Con gain if ever I saw one.
    Waveney Valley will likely go to Reform or Tory too. Its a bit 'arts n craftsy' for Reform. A split RefCon vote might allow a Green hold though
    Only way either of these is a hold is if there is a personal vote because they turn out to be very hard working and totally locally focused.

    First time incumbants can sometimes buck the system like that.

    Not being leader will certainly give Ramsey more time to be on his patch.
    I dont think he will stand again. He is about as far from Polanskiism as you can get. He also gave up both the deputy leadership of the Greens and leadership of the Green opposition group on Norwich city council in the early 2010s to go into Green Industry, so he has 'form' as it were on giving up on elected politics
    Polanski wouldn't be anywhere if not the decades of hard work by people like Ramsey getting the Greens to that first MP seat and onto local councils bit by bit.

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