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  • TazTaz Posts: 25,666
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Shortwave radio picking up codes being transmitted in Farsi.

    https://x.com/shortwave78/status/2028895990405599345

    The mysterious Farsi-language Numbers-Station on 7910kHz, received in 🇮🇹Milan at 18:00 UTC on March 3, 2026.
    Probably the most interesting radio signal in recent times.

    Looks suspiciously like a still from The Radio Ham with Tony Hancock.
    Who was Tony Hancock, Grandad?
    @Brixian59 remember the art installation of him in Brum ?

    Top of corporation street.
    Still there
    Fantastic. Been yonks since I’ve been there. Must go back.
    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Birmingham/@52.4821024,-1.8946062,3a,75y,36.86h,85.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgpp0zbT9v8r-wpLcgE3DoQ!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=4.2145728062215255&panoid=gpp0zbT9v8r-wpLcgE3DoQ&yaw=36.85993433163798!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x4870942d1b417173:0xca81fef0aeee7998!8m2!3d52.4822694!4d-1.8900078!16zL20vMGszM3A?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDIyNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
    That’s bizarre. I click on the link. The art installation appears then the picture changes. But the glimpse was what I remembered.

    It’s a lot different now.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,376
    If you are Argentina do you go for the Falklands now? We clearly don’t have much of a navy and Trump loves Milei more than Keir today.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494
    Nothing will become Starmer than his refusal to be involved in this madness.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494
    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    25m
    BREAKING: President Trump says US government will backstop war insurance for all shipping in the Persian Gulf.

    In addition, he says the U.S. Navy will provide naval escort to tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. But note the “… as soon as possible…” which isn’t very reassuring

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2028921437050826837
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,847
    edited March 3

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Lucy Powell making sure it is known she had grave misgivings about the Labour strategy in D&G, after the event obviously.

    Aided and abetted by a friendly media.

    https://x.com/harriet_symonds/status/2028888272005456157?s=61

    I remain convinced that the Green policy on drugs is a huge own goal and will cost them a lot of votes .

    They might get away with it for a while but under more scrutiny and in the run up to the next GE I expect the wheels to fall off .
    I don't think the drugs stuff will be that damaging.
    I think that what will cost the Greens a lot more votes at the next election are their current policies on a) immigration/asylum, and b) transgender rights, including self ID. In both instances, I think the zeitgeist has changed to make the current Green stance pretty unpopular with around 80% of voters, for good or bad.
    Otoh the Tory toilet monitor candidate in G & D had the worst ever result for the Tories in a by election. People might have (malleable) opinions in the subject, but on the whole may not be that bothered about it when push comes to shove.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    The problem comes when British foreign policy appears to be based solely on Labour having just lost a by-election to the Islamist Greens.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,665
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Starmer should drop the Paras into Crimea just to confuse everyone.

    I'd use the Royal Marines too.
    Where's the Light Brigade nowadays? We used to rely on them for pointless gestures.
    I think the British Army pretty much is the Light Brigade these days. I don't think much more than that can be put into the field.

    It's been salami-sliced away to oblivion.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,834
    One party to this conflict I have a high degree of confidence they know what they're doing (for good or not, isn't the point) is Israel.

    They've been waiting to strike Iran for a decade or more. They will have a long list of priorities and, frankly, don't care about their neighbours being hit by stray Iranian missiles. They've had to put up with worse for years and are much better protected.

    I'm interested to see who and what they target and how. So far it seems like the war will drag on for longer than many first thought, which I presume is what they want to maximise the damage inflicted.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,519
    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    Hello everyone. Back for a short visit. Just returned to my hotel from a pub crawl in Copenhagen, which included the head chef from zHMS Do agon

    Welcome back.

    Preusmably you’re well refreshed 👍
    As you can tell I'm a bit over refreshed.. Still quite a coincidence to have met someone from HMS Dragon. I didn't even know it was being sent to Cyprus until he told me and couldn't resist posting. Seemed like a nice chap, hope he gets back in time. Back from Copenhagen tomorrow and then I will be off again until the May elections probably.

    Thanks for the welcome back.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    The spat between Trump and Starmer is semantics

    We are actively engaged in the war zone alongside our allies

    https://x.com/i/status/2028897331127476568
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815
    edited March 3

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    "not exclusively peaceful" - no frigging shit Sherlock!

    Talk about an understatement. As far as I am aware there is no peaceful use for uranium at that level of enrichment.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,724
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Starmer should drop the Paras into Crimea just to confuse everyone.

    I'd use the Royal Marines too.
    Where's the Light Brigade nowadays? We used to rely on them for pointless gestures.
    Can we still muster a whole brigade?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    25m
    BREAKING: President Trump says US government will backstop war insurance for all shipping in the Persian Gulf.

    In addition, he says the U.S. Navy will provide naval escort to tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. But note the “… as soon as possible…” which isn’t very reassuring

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2028921437050826837

    Well Iran appears to have no Navy left to speak of, which means the Americans need to get a few warships with air defence missiles into the area to ensure safe passage.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,665
    boulay said:

    If you are Argentina do you go for the Falklands now? We clearly don’t have much of a navy and Trump loves Milei more than Keir today.

    As I understand it, without assistance, the Argentines couldn't overcome the small British force deployed to the Falklands.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494
    Former US diplomat and strategist:


    Michael McFaul
    @McFaul

    Two months after Trump removed Maduro from power in Venezuela, dictatorship there remains in place.

    I hope Iran will be different. I fear it won’t.

    https://x.com/McFaul/status/2028897657004130377
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    "not exclusively peaceful" - no frigging shit Sherlock!

    Talk about an understatement. As far as I am aware there is no peaceful use for uranium at that level of enrichment.
    Calm down Bart.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,847

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    ‘ You have been ridiculous since Saturday’

    Which Saturday in he last couple of decades are you referring to?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494

    Bruno Maçães
    @MacaesBruno

    What does Spain get from its position? Really? You don’t get it? When a country is the first to move in a direction that everyone else will have to follow later, that is the very advantage that always, always translates to national success measured in prosperity and power

    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/2028913348260344082
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    More power to Netanyahu's elbow. I am glad there is someone willing to drive a battle against the Mullahs.

    I have been very clear and consistent for a long time that defeating Iran should be a priority, long since before Saturday.

    Its funny though as I seem to recall a couple of years ago when the Gaza conflict began some here arguing that attacking Gaza was pointless after the October attack as it was really Iran who should be fought (as being behind it all) . . . I felt like you were one of those who said something similar, but I may be wrong . . . yet now they're being fought at long last and suddenly everyone's outraged.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,619

    Nothing will become Starmer than his refusal to be involved in this madness.

    We are 100% involved
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984

    https://x.com/mariatad/status/2028904735239999917

    Trump threatened a trade embargo sitting next to the German Chancellor who barely got a word out in support to fellow EU country. Sources close to Spanish indicate Madrid not caving, coming back with severe words too. Big diplomatic spat ahead.

    I see your account of events has evolved...
    Here's a longer clip with the question:

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2028884371105886536

    Reporter: You just heard that the president is thinking about punishing Spain. What are your thoughts on this?

    Merz: We are trying to convince Spain to catch up with the 3% or 3.5%. Spain is the only one who is not willing to accept that
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,291

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    25m
    BREAKING: President Trump says US government will backstop war insurance for all shipping in the Persian Gulf.

    In addition, he says the U.S. Navy will provide naval escort to tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. But note the “… as soon as possible…” which isn’t very reassuring

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2028921437050826837

    I wouldn't want to be the shipping company that tries to collect on that insurance.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,598
    REPORTER: Yesterday you told us Israel was going to strike Iran and that's why we needed to get involved. But today the president said Iran--

    RUBIO: No. Were you there yesterday?

    REPORTER: Yes. I asked the question


    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2028930058795049349
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,237

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,847

    boulay said:

    If you are Argentina do you go for the Falklands now? We clearly don’t have much of a navy and Trump loves Milei more than Keir today.

    As I understand it, without assistance, the Argentines couldn't overcome the small British force deployed to the Falklands.
    Let’s hope Israel isn’t as willing to supply Argentina with military aid as they were in 1982. Luckily they may have other things on their plate.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,774

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Hello everyone. Back for a short visit. Just returned to my hotel from a pub crawl in Copenhagen, which included the head chef from zHMS Do agon

    And you can tell I have had a few. Just to continue: HMS Dragon's head chef. So it isn't going immediately or they are going a little hungry. He has had his recall..
    Can it, you damn fool. Don't you know The Revolutionary Guard read PB.

    Some of them even post. :(
    Loose lips sink ships.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984
    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    To our shame.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,318
    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Starmer should drop the Paras into Crimea just to confuse everyone.

    I'd use the Royal Marines too.
    Where's the Light Brigade nowadays? We used to rely on them for pointless gestures.
    I heard that the Charge of the Light Brigade is another name for the electric bill.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,191
    DavidL said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Hello everyone. Back for a short visit. Just returned to my hotel from a pub crawl in Copenhagen, which included the head chef from zHMS Do agon

    And you can tell I have had a few. Just to continue: HMS Dragon's head chef. So it isn't going immediately or they are going a little hungry. He has had his recall..
    Can it, you damn fool. Don't you know The Revolutionary Guard read PB.

    Some of them even post. :(
    Loose lips sink ships.
    Walls have beers.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    To our shame.
    The whole thing makes him look more like a middle manager discussing a sales meeting than a prime minister discussing a war.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,724
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    If no action had been taken, GOP Rep. Nancy Mace was planning to force a vote to subpoena Lutnick in the panel's hearing tomorrow, per source
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,616

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    Heroically uninvolved
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    boulay said:

    If you are Argentina do you go for the Falklands now? We clearly don’t have much of a navy and Trump loves Milei more than Keir today.

    The islands are much better garrisoned than in 1982, it wolkd require a well planned invasion force
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174
    edited March 3

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    "not exclusively peaceful" - no frigging shit Sherlock!

    Talk about an understatement. As far as I am aware there is no peaceful use for uranium at that level of enrichment.
    Actually there is a peaceful use.

    Due to some rather comic facts in atomic physics, you can use 80%+ enriched uranium to make small, efficient nuclear reactors. Which are self stabilising - a reactivity excursion instantly corrects itself, within milliseconds.

    Back when Men Were Men (TM), General Atomics would take a real, live TRIGA reactor to trade shows and run it. The party piece would be Dr Edward Fucking Teller, himself, yanking the main control rod out, to provoke such an excursion.

    Such reactors were used around the world for research and making medical isotopes for many years.

    Modern Western submarine reactors use 80%+ in their cores. I recall our @Dura_Ace got all upset at the idea of transferring bomb grade material to Australia, when they bought nuclear subs.

    There is a question of just how enriched the cores of the SMRs are going to be, given they are derived from U.K./US submarine/carrier reactor designs.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787
    edited March 3

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    More power to Netanyahu's elbow. I am glad there is someone willing to drive a battle against the Mullahs.

    I have been very clear and consistent for a long time that defeating Iran should be a priority, long since before Saturday.

    Its funny though as I seem to recall a couple of years ago when the Gaza conflict began some here arguing that attacking Gaza was pointless after the October attack as it was really Iran who should be fought (as being behind it all) . . . I felt like you were one of those who said something similar, but I may be wrong . . . yet now they're being fought at long last and suddenly everyone's outraged.
    That is a lie. I don't believe many were critical of the notion that Israel could recover it's hostages and chase down Hamas grandees. I suggested taking the top brass out in Doha was preferable to carpet bombing Gaza and killing 80,000 Gazans including women and children. You seemed rabidly comfortable with Bibi killing as many civilians as he could. Your blood lust over Iranian civilians is quite disgusting.

    P.S. Who gave you a like for your absurd post?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,176
    edited March 3
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    The problem comes when British foreign policy appears to be based solely on Labour having just lost a by-election to the Islamist Greens.
    That’s nonsense. The UK has been wary of interventions in the Middle East for some years (the refusal to get involved in Syria being a turning point) and wary of interventions not sanctioned by the UN or similar for many years. The UK electorate - Christian, atheist, Muslim, whoever - have been sceptical of Trump’s actions throughout his terms. British foreign policy now is much as you would’ve expected it if there hadn’t been a by-election at all or if Labour had won it.

    Likewise, supporting Netanyahu is deeply unpopular across the British electorate ( @BartholomewRoberts excepted).
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Trigger warning for those who can't stand The Spectator, but this is an excellent article on this conflict and international law by His Honour Jeff Blackett OBE, the Judge Advocate General of the Armed Forces between 2004 and 2020: https://spectator.com/article/international-law-is-not-a-suicide-pact/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,774

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    More power to Netanyahu's elbow. I am glad there is someone willing to drive a battle against the Mullahs.

    I have been very clear and consistent for a long time that defeating Iran should be a priority, long since before Saturday.

    Its funny though as I seem to recall a couple of years ago when the Gaza conflict began some here arguing that attacking Gaza was pointless after the October attack as it was really Iran who should be fought (as being behind it all) . . . I felt like you were one of those who said something similar, but I may be wrong . . . yet now they're being fought at long last and suddenly everyone's outraged.
    That is a lie. I don't believe many were critical of the notion that Israel could recover it's hostages and chase down Hamas grandees. I suggested taking the top brass out in Doha was preferable to carpet bombing Gaza and killing 80,000 Gazans including women and children. You seemed rabidly comfortable with Bibi killing as many civilians as he could. Your blood lust over Iranian civilians is quite disgusting.
    Wanting to see Iranian civilians living in a free and liberated Persia, instead of a dictatorial Islamic Republic of Iran, is not bloodlust.

    It is what a great deal many Iranians want too.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174
    DavidL said:

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Hello everyone. Back for a short visit. Just returned to my hotel from a pub crawl in Copenhagen, which included the head chef from zHMS Do agon

    And you can tell I have had a few. Just to continue: HMS Dragon's head chef. So it isn't going immediately or they are going a little hungry. He has had his recall..
    Can it, you damn fool. Don't you know The Revolutionary Guard read PB.

    Some of them even post. :(
    Loose lips sink ships.
    The secret plan is to parachute the chef into Iran.

    See this documentary on naval cuisine - https://youtu.be/-5L_N96ZYYY?si=bN_B7PPMZRFjqVbj
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,318

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    I think you missed the word could and no evidence. This smacks of WMD and 45 minutes.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,237

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    When was Starmer told, this was the reason behind the needed and urgent intervention?

    So you agree Kemi needs to ask this? She’s already all in on UK should have backed Trump from Day 1, so she has to support Trumps reasoning for why he done it? She now has no choice in that, based on her immediate support for it.

    The world has already seen nuclear weapons used, and said never again. Iran would have attacked Washington with it, I presume.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787
    DavidL said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
    Kemi, Hunt and Philp seem to think Iraq 2 is a good idea.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,447

    Roger said:

    Ch 4 News with Chrishnan Guru-Murthy is so much better than the BBC that it's embarrassing.
    It's a must watch. His interview with the US General is a classic of the genre

    To be fair to the BBC they still have some fantastic old guard journalists. Bowen, Ducet, Plett-Usher, Wyre Davies. Hawley.

    It's the editorial non-partisan nonsense that is weak. Bowen and Ducet plough their own furrow.
    You want them to be partisan?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,774

    DavidL said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
    Kemi, Hunt and Philp seem to think Iraq 2 is a good idea.
    Good for them. I don't.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,427

    boulay said:

    If you are Argentina do you go for the Falklands now? We clearly don’t have much of a navy and Trump loves Milei more than Keir today.

    The islands are much better garrisoned than in 1982, it wolkd require a well planned invasion force
    And Milei has abandoned the military route for the diplomatic route anyway, Starmer also knows he would be annihilated by Farage and Badenoch if he lost the Falklands so would have to immediately divert all UK forces worldwide there if any prospect of an invasion.

    Trump has a war in the Middle East now to occupy him
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    edited March 3
    DavidL said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
    The statement is from the IAE which is clear on its concerns over Iran's nuclear danger

    The fact US and Israel acted on it would seem a legitimate reason

    Now we can argue whether it was the correct decision, but we are where we are and must hope that Iran is tamed
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,366

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    Heroically uninvolved
    impressive I thought
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,176

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    The IAEA statement is clearly much more conservative than the White House’s claim. They are not saying the same thing. Israel and US hawks have been claiming Iran is days away from a nuclear weapon for over 15 years… and yet somehow that’s never turned out to be the case.

    The US and Israel bombed Iran a few months back and the White House assured us that that mission had had total success… and yet here we are with Iran supposedly days away from a nuclear weapon again.

    There is a threat of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, but crying wolf constantly doesn’t help. There were active negotiations over a new nuclear deal ongoing when these new attacks were launched. Trump tore up the last nuclear deal for no other reason than that Obama had negotiated it. Trump and Netanyahu are both inveterate liars.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318
    Emirates airline is planning eight flights from UK to Dubai tomorrow.

    https://x.com/aviationnews_uk/status/2028899732882395553

    If anyone wants a cheap holiday, the room rates at some of the fancy hotels are what we normally only see in the middle of summer or when there’s a pandemic on…
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,586
    DavidL said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
    It's such utter shite. If they thought this was the case they wouldn't have contrived it 4 days after this all kicked off.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,447
    I've little idea what is going on in the middle east but it is rather hard to believe that Iran has escalation dominance. We shall see.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,237

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    I think you missed the word could and no evidence. This smacks of WMD and 45 minutes.
    The paragraph is surely saying: yes sir! No one can argue with you they know for sure and can prove Iran weren’t extremely close to having and using the bomb.

    What’s WMD and 45 minutes?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,586
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
    It's such utter shite. If they thought this was the case they wouldn't have contrived it 4 days after this all kicked off.
    Though that they are scrabbling for an excuse does suggest they've entirely lost control. Not good.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,628

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    There's a better case to attack Iran in 2026 than Iraq in 2003, IMHO.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318
    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787

    Roger said:

    Ch 4 News with Chrishnan Guru-Murthy is so much better than the BBC that it's embarrassing.
    It's a must watch. His interview with the US General is a classic of the genre

    To be fair to the BBC they still have some fantastic old guard journalists. Bowen, Ducet, Plett-Usher, Wyre Davies. Hawley.

    It's the editorial non-partisan nonsense that is weak. Bowen and Ducet plough their own furrow.
    You want them to be partisan?
    My point (poorly made) was the BBC have this ludicrous policy of false equivalence. In the interest of impartiality they will put up Andrea Leadsom as an equal to the Head of the World Bank.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,834
    Sandpit said:

    Emirates airline is planning eight flights from UK to Dubai tomorrow.

    https://x.com/aviationnews_uk/status/2028899732882395553

    If anyone wants a cheap holiday, the room rates at some of the fancy hotels are what we normally only see in the middle of summer or when there’s a pandemic on…

    No offence intended, but it's utterly beyond me what the appeal of Dubai or similar cities as a holiday destination from the UK.

    As a place to work, I understand the pros (high salaries and low tax) and cons (living there). But as a holiday destination? I just imagine it's like going to a hot canary wharf on vacation.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,657

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    Starmer is such a useless PM.. duplicitous in the extreme. Only loons support him
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,049

    Roger said:

    Ch 4 News with Chrishnan Guru-Murthy is so much better than the BBC that it's embarrassing.
    It's a must watch. His interview with the US General is a classic of the genre

    To be fair to the BBC they still have some fantastic old guard journalists. Bowen, Ducet, Plett-Usher, Wyre Davies. Hawley.

    It's the editorial non-partisan nonsense that is weak. Bowen and Ducet plough their own furrow.
    You want them to be partisan?
    We want them to be honest. Report the news as they perceive it without being continuously second guessed by editors half a world away.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,666

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    The IAEA statement is clearly much more conservative than the White House’s claim. They are not saying the same thing. Israel and US hawks have been claiming Iran is days away from a nuclear weapon for over 15 years… and yet somehow that’s never turned out to be the case.

    The US and Israel bombed Iran a few months back and the White House assured us that that mission had had total success… and yet here we are with Iran supposedly days away from a nuclear weapon again.

    There is a threat of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, but crying wolf constantly doesn’t help. There were active negotiations over a new nuclear deal ongoing when these new attacks were launched. Trump tore up the last nuclear deal for no other reason than that Obama had negotiated it. Trump and Netanyahu are both inveterate liars.
    I’d no sooner believe the US and Israel on this than believe the claims that took us into Iraq from another bunch of liars.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,909
    Sandpit said:

    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.

    Or the Americans have run out of proper targets.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,657
    Roger said:

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    Heroically uninvolved
    impressive I thought
    Well you would... .
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    Priti has been making a lot of noise about the Spring statement.......
    Are we about to see a post LE reshuffle and Priti Shadow Chancellor?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    Sandpit said:

    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.

    B52s using Diego Garcia ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    More power to Netanyahu's elbow. I am glad there is someone willing to drive a battle against the Mullahs.

    I have been very clear and consistent for a long time that defeating Iran should be a priority, long since before Saturday.

    Its funny though as I seem to recall a couple of years ago when the Gaza conflict began some here arguing that attacking Gaza was pointless after the October attack as it was really Iran who should be fought (as being behind it all) . . . I felt like you were one of those who said something similar, but I may be wrong . . . yet now they're being fought at long last and suddenly everyone's outraged.
    That is a lie. I don't believe many were critical of the notion that Israel could recover it's hostages and chase down Hamas grandees. I suggested taking the top brass out in Doha was preferable to carpet bombing Gaza and killing 80,000 Gazans including women and children. You seemed rabidly comfortable with Bibi killing as many civilians as he could. Your blood lust over Iranian civilians is quite disgusting.
    Wanting to see Iranian civilians living in a free and liberated Persia, instead of a dictatorial Islamic Republic of Iran, is not bloodlust.

    It is what a great deal many Iranians want too.
    Not much good for them if Trump irradiates them to get his name in the history books.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,883
    Sandpit said:

    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.

    Is there any indication what they've actually been hitting, other than a few meeting places?

    Leveling Tehran isn't going to win any friends.

    Purely military hardware is justifiable, turning the place into Gaza II isn't, although I don't suppose Netanyahu will care.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,237

    Sandpit said:

    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.

    B52s using Diego Garcia ?
    For refuelling.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,628
    Pulpstar said:

    Nothing will become Starmer than his refusal to be involved in this madness.

    We are 100% involved
    And so we should be.

    Fuck Iran. They've been trying to destabilise the region and the world for 4 decades.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,628

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    To our shame.
    The whole thing makes him look more like a middle manager discussing a sales meeting than a prime minister discussing a war.
    He's such a twat. It's embarrassing he's our PM.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,774
    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Eabhal said:

    Starmer should drop the Paras into Crimea just to confuse everyone.

    I'd use the Royal Marines too.
    Where's the Light Brigade nowadays? We used to rely on them for pointless gestures.
    Can we still muster a whole brigade?
    It's a much lighter brigade these days.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174

    Sandpit said:

    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.

    Or the Americans have run out of proper targets.
    The B-52s carry pretty much the same range of weaponry as the B1s. The B2 has a more restricted capability, IIRC.

    The B52s are used either for standoff strikes with long Lange missiles, or dropping large numbers of smart weapons. The days of intervelometers and hundreds of dumb 250lbrs are long gone.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,049
    Taz said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King announced during one of his unhinged rants that the US Navy would escort tankers through the Strait of Hormuz

    Navy says no...

    Oh, Trump says fuck it

    https://bsky.app/profile/sodrock.bsky.social/post/3mg6jpyxajc2m
    They need to try to get it resolved. Hard to see how, this won’t end well. US allies in the region will end up being impoverished by their inability to get product to market. Doesn’t seem like Chinese pressure on Iran is working either.

    Meanwhile production grinds to a halt in Iraq as they have nowhere to store it.

    ‘ BREAKING: Iraq's crude oil production is 'on the cusp of collapse' as its biggest fields are shut down due to lack of transport vessels and storage capacity, according to Financial Times report.’

    https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/2028902743264641051?s=61
    For all the years that Hormuz has been a choke point, do they really still not have sufficient pipeline capacity to somewhere else on the peninsula?
    Apparently not. RCS1000 or Richard Tyndall would be the experts on that I suspect.

    But you’d think from a supply chain risk point of view it would have been in both their interests and the buying parties interest to put in place a plan to mitigate it. Previously it seemed to be more production from non Arab peninsula nations.

    That went west when Russia made a major heel turn.
    I was not previously aware of it but apparently the UAE gave just finished such a pipeline taking oil out to the East of the Straits. I think someone mentioned a similar pipeline heading North to Turkey.

    Countries like Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait have a problem because to build such pipelines they need to traverse Saudi or Iraqi territory.in the case of Qatar this is particularly problematic as they are seen by the Saudis as being far too close politically to Iran
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,232

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    To our shame.
    I must confess to not feeling any shame about that and I doubt most of the population are.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    There's a better case to attack Iran in 2026 than Iraq in 2003, IMHO.
    Yes, and ironically it's almost the same case but without the need to sex anything up. They have a genuine WMD programme and are an active sponsor of terrorism.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,318

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    I think you missed the word could and no evidence. This smacks of WMD and 45 minutes.
    The paragraph is surely saying: yes sir! No one can argue with you they know for sure and can prove Iran weren’t extremely close to having and using the bomb.

    What’s WMD and 45 minutes?
    Weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes from Baghdad to London, Iraq war.

    I suppose now with everything destroyed it can't be proved either way, lucky for Bibi and Trump.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Priti has been making a lot of noise about the Spring statement.......
    Are we about to see a post LE reshuffle and Priti Shadow Chancellor?

    She's Leader in all but name.

    Always telling the caretaker what to say sat next to her at Pmq
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    More power to Netanyahu's elbow. I am glad there is someone willing to drive a battle against the Mullahs.

    I have been very clear and consistent for a long time that defeating Iran should be a priority, long since before Saturday.

    Its funny though as I seem to recall a couple of years ago when the Gaza conflict began some here arguing that attacking Gaza was pointless after the October attack as it was really Iran who should be fought (as being behind it all) . . . I felt like you were one of those who said something similar, but I may be wrong . . . yet now they're being fought at long last and suddenly everyone's outraged.
    That is a lie. I don't believe many were critical of the notion that Israel could recover it's hostages and chase down Hamas grandees. I suggested taking the top brass out in Doha was preferable to carpet bombing Gaza and killing 80,000 Gazans including women and children. You seemed rabidly comfortable with Bibi killing as many civilians as he could. Your blood lust over Iranian civilians is quite disgusting.
    Wanting to see Iranian civilians living in a free and liberated Persia, instead of a dictatorial Islamic Republic of Iran, is not bloodlust.

    It is what a great deal many Iranians want too.
    Not much good for them if Trump irradiates them to get his name in the history books.
    That's a bizarre hypothetical and is not what I have advocated at all.

    I would not support that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,666

    Taz said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King announced during one of his unhinged rants that the US Navy would escort tankers through the Strait of Hormuz

    Navy says no...

    Oh, Trump says fuck it

    https://bsky.app/profile/sodrock.bsky.social/post/3mg6jpyxajc2m
    They need to try to get it resolved. Hard to see how, this won’t end well. US allies in the region will end up being impoverished by their inability to get product to market. Doesn’t seem like Chinese pressure on Iran is working either.

    Meanwhile production grinds to a halt in Iraq as they have nowhere to store it.

    ‘ BREAKING: Iraq's crude oil production is 'on the cusp of collapse' as its biggest fields are shut down due to lack of transport vessels and storage capacity, according to Financial Times report.’

    https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/2028902743264641051?s=61
    For all the years that Hormuz has been a choke point, do they really still not have sufficient pipeline capacity to somewhere else on the peninsula?
    Apparently not. RCS1000 or Richard Tyndall would be the experts on that I suspect.

    But you’d think from a supply chain risk point of view it would have been in both their interests and the buying parties interest to put in place a plan to mitigate it. Previously it seemed to be more production from non Arab peninsula nations.

    That went west when Russia made a major heel turn.
    I was not previously aware of it but apparently the UAE gave just finished such a pipeline taking oil out to the East of the Straits. I think someone mentioned a similar pipeline heading North to Turkey.

    Countries like Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait have a problem because to build such pipelines they need to traverse Saudi or Iraqi territory.in the case of Qatar this is particularly problematic as they are seen by the Saudis as being far too close politically to Iran
    The events of the last few days may well change that.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Sandpit said:

    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.

    B52s using Diego Garcia ?
    For refuelling.
    Oh dear he's wrong again

    Tell Badenoch

    Thats when they put fuel in not bomb
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,049

    Sandpit said:

    After last night’s B-1 bombers hitting Iran, tonight it’s the turn of the B-52s (insert Love Shack joke here!).

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028904716571136173

    What the use of the heavy bombers shows, is that Iran now has no meaningful air defences remaining.

    Or the Americans have run out of proper targets.
    The B-52s carry pretty much the same range of weaponry as the B1s. The B2 has a more restricted capability, IIRC.

    The B52s are used either for standoff strikes with long Lange missiles, or dropping large numbers of smart weapons. The days of intervelometers and hundreds of dumb 250lbrs are long gone.
    The B52s are the only planes that can carry the largest precision deep penetration bombs to hit deep bunkers.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,232
    edited March 3

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    I think you missed the word could and no evidence. This smacks of WMD and 45 minutes.
    Yes. The reason for the attack is the opposite of the one given. They've done it not because Iran is a threat but because it is weak and is not. It's driven by opportunity not necessity.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815
    kinabalu said:

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    To our shame.
    I must confess to not feeling any shame about that and I doubt most of the population are.
    I know that about you.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    Starmer is such a useless PM.. duplicitous in the extreme. Only loons support him
    70% of the UK do

    Btw

    Majority of yanks don't want war
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,666

    Starmer's released a video of himself talking to European leaders. His first line is, "We weren't involved."

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230

    To our shame.
    The whole thing makes him look more like a middle manager discussing a sales meeting than a prime minister discussing a war.
    He's such a twat. It's embarrassing he's our PM.
    It’s Gordon Brittas.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    MattW said:

    Reportedly, Ukraine have said that if the Gulf States will pressure Moscow to accept a cease-fire, they will provide support and help on air defences in return !

    We can discuss the rights and wrongs of Starmer's initial refusal for the use of air bases but within 48 hours he changed his mind and conceded

    This is now a full scale war with most everyone on the US and Israels side including Ukraine and Iran isolated

    If this ends the terror from Iran, and prevents it supplying drones and military to Russia then that is to be welcomed

    We can only hope it also results in a democratic Iran
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
    Kemi, Hunt and Philp seem to think Iraq 2 is a good idea.
    Good for them. I don't.
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    That does put it a whole new light and maybe why Canada and Australia immediately supported the action
    Does no one remember the dodgy dossier or Colin Powell making an absolute arse of himself? The days when any of this can be taken on trust from our government, let alone a government led by a corrupt crackpot, have surely long gone. We've been way down this road before at terrible cost. Do we really have to do it again?
    Kemi, Hunt and Philp seem to think Iraq 2 is a good idea.
    Good for them. I don't.
    Philp
    The one I d village idiot
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,724
    @faredalmahlool.bsky.social‬

    Iran 🇮🇷 BREAKING: opposition channel IranIntl reports that the Assembly of Experts has elected Mojtaba Khamenei to be the next Supreme Leader.

    Mojtaba is the eldest son of Ali Khamenei.

    @generalboles.bsky.social‬

    NEPO BABY 😂😂
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,787

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    More power to Netanyahu's elbow. I am glad there is someone willing to drive a battle against the Mullahs.

    I have been very clear and consistent for a long time that defeating Iran should be a priority, long since before Saturday.

    Its funny though as I seem to recall a couple of years ago when the Gaza conflict began some here arguing that attacking Gaza was pointless after the October attack as it was really Iran who should be fought (as being behind it all) . . . I felt like you were one of those who said something similar, but I may be wrong . . . yet now they're being fought at long last and suddenly everyone's outraged.
    That is a lie. I don't believe many were critical of the notion that Israel could recover it's hostages and chase down Hamas grandees. I suggested taking the top brass out in Doha was preferable to carpet bombing Gaza and killing 80,000 Gazans including women and children. You seemed rabidly comfortable with Bibi killing as many civilians as he could. Your blood lust over Iranian civilians is quite disgusting.
    Wanting to see Iranian civilians living in a free and liberated Persia, instead of a dictatorial Islamic Republic of Iran, is not bloodlust.

    It is what a great deal many Iranians want too.
    Not much good being liberated and dead.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    I think you missed the word could and no evidence. This smacks of WMD and 45 minutes.
    The report is so wooly it has more holes than an old jumper

    The IEA are categoric about fuck all.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815

    Taz said:

    OllyT said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Apart from Putin and a few other unsavoury characters who hasn't been attacked by Trump? 75% of UK voters loathe Trump, Being attacked by him is not the big negative you appear to think it is.
    Who on earth thinks it is? It's a gift to Starmer.

    It will of course cause an outbreak of schizophrenia on PB amongst those posters who are as knee-jerkingly hostile to Starmer as they are to Trump, but the Site's psychiatric ward can cope.

    Those with more than a couple of brain cells should be just fine.
    On Trump Brixian is absolutely right. Opposing him and being castigated by him does SKS no harm at all, useless as he is.
    Its just what a terrible situation to be in that Trump is right and Starmer is wrong. Not often Trump is in the right.
    You have been ridiculous since Saturday.

    If this works out as anything other than a fiasco the Gods are on our side.

    No plan, no post operation plan. This is incredibly dangerous.

    Starmer hasn't played this as badly as he might have despite the views of the PB Starmer Derangement Syndrome sufferers.

    Netanyahu is driving this operation, Trump is a passenger and Hegseth isn't even on the bus.
    More power to Netanyahu's elbow. I am glad there is someone willing to drive a battle against the Mullahs.

    I have been very clear and consistent for a long time that defeating Iran should be a priority, long since before Saturday.

    Its funny though as I seem to recall a couple of years ago when the Gaza conflict began some here arguing that attacking Gaza was pointless after the October attack as it was really Iran who should be fought (as being behind it all) . . . I felt like you were one of those who said something similar, but I may be wrong . . . yet now they're being fought at long last and suddenly everyone's outraged.
    That is a lie. I don't believe many were critical of the notion that Israel could recover it's hostages and chase down Hamas grandees. I suggested taking the top brass out in Doha was preferable to carpet bombing Gaza and killing 80,000 Gazans including women and children. You seemed rabidly comfortable with Bibi killing as many civilians as he could. Your blood lust over Iranian civilians is quite disgusting.
    Wanting to see Iranian civilians living in a free and liberated Persia, instead of a dictatorial Islamic Republic of Iran, is not bloodlust.

    It is what a great deal many Iranians want too.
    Not much good being liberated and dead.
    Say that to the tens of thousands murdered by the Mullahs.

    Not much good being oppressed and dead.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,625
    I hope someone kills Netanyahu and Trump. Not fully supporting Trump is the first thing Starmer has done right since he was elected. There is no reason why the UK should get involved, either in favour of the evil Iranians or the evil Israelis. We are no longer a world power, thank goodness. The warmongers and Netanyahu lovers on here disgust me. Why don’t you all take up arms and head for the Middle East. You won’t be missed.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,815
    Brixian59 said:

    Senior WH official speaking to us in DC says:

    “THEY [IRAN] BASICALLY COULD HAVE BEEN DAYS OR WEEKS AWAY FROM A WEAPON IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE EFFORT INTO IT. AND THEY HAD ALL THE CAPABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT"

    WH says that view aligns with the IAEA boss.

    He just said this 👇

    I have been very clear and consistent in my reports on Iran’s nuclear programme: while there has been no evidence of Iran building a nuclear bomb, its large stockpile of near-weapons grade enriched uranium and refusal to grant my inspectors full access are cause for serious concern. For these reasons, my previous reports indicate that unless and until Iran assists the @IAEAorg in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively peaceful.

    https://x.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/2028927670805750265

    Then it is SHAMEFUL UK are not actively bombing Iran nuclear programme also - as they were just days away from Nuclear Strikes on Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA?

    What an horrendous error of judgement from Starmer, the US must have shared this intel with his government over and over.

    Kemi needs to lead with this at PMQs. Kemi is proven 100% correct now for her total trust in the US, Israeli and Saudi existential need to take this action, and how she would have backed and joined in from the off, not far too late.
    I think you missed the word could and no evidence. This smacks of WMD and 45 minutes.
    The report is so wooly it has more holes than an old jumper

    The IEA are categoric about fuck all.
    Precisely.

    Unless you can be categoric that Iran is not seeking nuclear weapons, better safe than sorry.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,724
    @johnphudson.bsky.social‬

    SCOOP: A suspected Iranian drone attack hit the CIA’s station in Saudi Arabia in what would amount to a significant symbolic victory for the Islamic Republic as it lashes out at U.S. targets and personnel across the Middle East
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