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  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,366
    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984
    Starmer takes action

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2028865450445074502

    The UK is fully committed to the security of Cyprus and British military personnel based there.

    We’re continuing our defensive operations and I've just spoken with the President of Cyprus to let him know that we are sending helicopters with counter drone capabilities and HMS Dragon is to be deployed to the region.

    We will always act in the interest of the UK and our allies.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,222
    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is giving up the lease on another Crown Estate property, the BBC understands.

    Mountbatten-Windsor has asked to end his lease on East Lodge, near his former home at Sunninghill Park in Berkshire, with documents seen by the BBC showing he has been paying an annual rent of almost £13,000.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191

    Starmer takes action

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2028865450445074502

    The UK is fully committed to the security of Cyprus and British military personnel based there.

    We’re continuing our defensive operations and I've just spoken with the President of Cyprus to let him know that we are sending helicopters with counter drone capabilities and HMS Dragon is to be deployed to the region.

    We will always act in the interest of the UK and our allies.

    It will be on station approx 10 days after Greece and France
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    Butter then jam, cream is superfluous.
    I have pronounced.
    All now be silent
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145
    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    I dont think his stance on Gaza is going to be forgotten or forgiven.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,191

    Starmer takes action

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2028865450445074502

    The UK is fully committed to the security of Cyprus and British military personnel based there.

    We’re continuing our defensive operations and I've just spoken with the President of Cyprus to let him know that we are sending helicopters with counter drone capabilities and HMS Dragon is to be deployed to the region.

    We will always act in the interest of the UK and our allies.

    What a guy!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good lord.

    Bill Clinton looks like Dick van Dyke, but older.
    https://x.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/2028830538400731430

    Hillary is still as sharp as a tack.
    https://x.com/PettyLupone/status/2028691856200991039
    She’d be a better candidate than Newsom or Harris, even now.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145
    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    I have have it on unimpeachable authority that Burnham is going for a seat again in May
    The way Labour are polling, he'd lose a by-election.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112

    Starmer takes action

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2028865450445074502

    The UK is fully committed to the security of Cyprus and British military personnel based there.

    We’re continuing our defensive operations and I've just spoken with the President of Cyprus to let him know that we are sending helicopters with counter drone capabilities and HMS Dragon is to be deployed to the region.

    We will always act in the interest of the UK and our allies.

    Is this in response to the current Iran crisis or something that happened in 2024?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Dopermean said:

    nico67 said:

    I see the latest attempt to win hearts and minds is to completely flatten Tehran .

    If Israel is running the show then that shouldn't be a surprise
    Trump is a bit part player here. This is Bibi’s game and Trump is dancing to his tune.
    That sounds very dangerous. I mean, Trump's age and health and the cocktail of drugs he's on, any exertion could lead to President Vance.
    Watching him now. Bizarre. He’s just rambling
    Vance or Trump?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,724
    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Spain has been terrible. I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. They said we can't use their bases. We could use their bases if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is gonna tell us not to use it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mg6atwqrgu22
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    There's no existential crisis, there's just been a very stupid strategy of trying to get Reform votes and losing Labour voters.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,222
    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    It may but it is not ideal in these circumstances where dialogue is important
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,776

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good lord.

    Bill Clinton looks like Dick van Dyke, but older.
    https://x.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/2028830538400731430

    Hillary is still as sharp as a tack.
    https://x.com/PettyLupone/status/2028691856200991039
    She’d be a better candidate than Newsom or Harris, even now.
    She'd be a damn sight better president than Trump, then and now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,776

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    This isn't even Millard Fillmore we're dealing with.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,833
    ydoethur said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
    Not quite the right person to cite Churchill to, is he?
  • Starmer takes action

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2028865450445074502

    The UK is fully committed to the security of Cyprus and British military personnel based there.

    We’re continuing our defensive operations and I've just spoken with the President of Cyprus to let him know that we are sending helicopters with counter drone capabilities and HMS Dragon is to be deployed to the region.

    We will always act in the interest of the UK and our allies.

    Pathetic.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,366

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Excellent news for Starmer. He couldn't have hoped. for more. Even the US are 4;1 against the invasion. In the UK it's probably more.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    Mertz - We are supporting the US and Israel to get rid of this terrible Iranian regime
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,020
    edited March 3

    Mertz - We are supporting the US and Israel to get rid of this terrible Iranian regime

    That's news to me.

    Important speech, unless I've missed their level of co-operation, so far. It's certainly not the line from France and the U.K.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    He said it while sitting next to Merz as well.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,020
    ydoethur said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
    Yup. Merz is a big disappointment.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,189

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    Another projection site for the locals.
    Tories hold Bexley is bold (as is only 3 wards between Norfolk and Suffolk)

    Unremittingly hopeless.

    I don't know why we give these so-called "projections" any publicity at all. They completely ignore or cannot deal with the presence of local Independents - Newham apparently will be 54 Labour and 12 Greens. The idea the Newham Independents will win nothing is absurd. If all these so-called projections are extrapolations of opinion polls and local by-elections, they should pack up and go home and we shouldn't indulge them or give them any credence.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112

    Mertz - We are supporting the US and Israel to get rid of this terrible Iranian regime

    Labour sub 10% by May
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    stodge said:

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    Another projection site for the locals.
    Tories hold Bexley is bold (as is only 3 wards between Norfolk and Suffolk)

    Unremittingly hopeless.

    I don't know why we give these so-called "projections" any publicity at all. They completely ignore or cannot deal with the presence of local Independents - Newham apparently will be 54 Labour and 12 Greens. The idea the Newham Independents will win nothing is absurd. If all these so-called projections are extrapolations of opinion polls and local by-elections, they should pack up and go home and we shouldn't indulge them or give them any credence.
    Its not great. Its not at all great
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,941

    ydoethur said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
    Not quite the right person to cite Churchill to, is he?
    Could have been worse. Could have compared himself to Arthur Harris and Starmer to Sir Kingsley Wood.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,176

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is giving up the lease on another Crown Estate property, the BBC understands.

    Mountbatten-Windsor has asked to end his lease on East Lodge, near his former home at Sunninghill Park in Berkshire, with documents seen by the BBC showing he has been paying an annual rent of almost £13,000.

    That doesn’t seem like a market rate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
    Not quite the right person to cite Churchill to, is he?
    Could have been worse. Could have compared himself to Arthur Harris and Starmer to Sir Kingsley Wood.
    Trump's got what he wanted out of Starmer: a full state visit last year.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    edited March 3
    Macron addressing les frogs at 8pm. If he announces France supports the effort to be rid of Irans regime then Starmer will look ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than he does at RAF Akrotiri doing a Gordon
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,020

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Trump treats other countries' leaders including Starmer like he does the Governor of Minnesota. They have a role in keeping the natives quiet but are essentially there to do what they're told
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,176
    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    It might’ve been a political error, but maybe it was better for the country?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
    Not quite the right person to cite Churchill to, is he?
    Could have been worse. Could have compared himself to Arthur Harris and Starmer to Sir Kingsley Wood.
    Starmer ratings improve 20% after this, Farage 10% worse and Kemi 20% for ass licking

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984
    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2028880275917111654

    .@POTUS: "Some of the European nations have been helpful, and some haven't—and I'm very surprised. Germany's been great... Spain has been terrible. In fact, I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain."

    "By the way, I'm not happy with the U.K. either."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,232

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    I don't think Johnson ever had a clue what was happening tomorrow.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,191

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
    Not quite the right person to cite Churchill to, is he?
    Could have been worse. Could have compared himself to Arthur Harris and Starmer to Sir Kingsley Wood.
    Trump's got what he wanted out of Starmer: a full state visit last year.
    "Please! I like America!"
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    No PM has had to deal with Trump 2

    In general especially initial tariffs he played Trump perfectly

    Now he's showing a different side and it's Badenoch and Farage totally out of touch.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Mertz - We are supporting the US and Israel to get rid of this terrible Iranian regime

    Labour sub 10% by May
    Tories sub 10 Labour 20
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,366
    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    I dont think his stance on Gaza is going to be forgotten or forgiven.
    You never can tell. If he brings his human rights lawyer persona to the fore and leads the demand for Netanyahu's arrest people will forget quickly and he could become a hero.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,222
    edited March 3

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2028880275917111654

    .@POTUS: "Some of the European nations have been helpful, and some haven't—and I'm very surprised. Germany's been great... Spain has been terrible. In fact, I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain."

    "By the way, I'm not happy with the U.K. either."

    He sounds like a parent explaining why some of the kids are getting ice cream and the other are going straight to their room.....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174

    stodge said:

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    Another projection site for the locals.
    Tories hold Bexley is bold (as is only 3 wards between Norfolk and Suffolk)

    Unremittingly hopeless.

    I don't know why we give these so-called "projections" any publicity at all. They completely ignore or cannot deal with the presence of local Independents - Newham apparently will be 54 Labour and 12 Greens. The idea the Newham Independents will win nothing is absurd. If all these so-called projections are extrapolations of opinion polls and local by-elections, they should pack up and go home and we shouldn't indulge them or give them any credence.
    Its not great. Its not at all great
    “3.6 Roentgen, Not Great, Not Terrible”
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061
    Roger said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    Excellent news for Starmer. He couldn't have hoped. for more. Even the US are 4;1 against the invasion. In the UK it's probably more.
    Yes and the ass kicking nauseous show boating of Badenoch and Farage will be looked back in in 12 months time as being the bubble burst for Farage and extinction for the Tories.

    It'll take time to filter through but it will be the end of the year
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494
    Trump can't even recall which country his own father was born in.

    Get the codes off him now.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,833
    kinabalu said:

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    I don't think Johnson ever had a clue what was happening tomorrow.
    Somebody was going to give him some money?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,189
    As for the ongoing turmoil in the Middle East, we now see how a few limited missile strikes by Tehran are having an impact completely out of proportion to any military consequence.

    Cruise ships stuck, people apparently desperate to leave (no, I don't believe it either) and western economies, as they have been for decades, hyper sensitive to any interruption of energy supply whether it be oil through Hormuz or LNG via Qatar. Forcing weak economies into recession or worse and the political impacts of said may be the best card Tehran has to play.

    Clearly, we have to hope any disruption to energy supplies is short lived but if not the economic impacts of a sharp rise in gas and petrol prices will be significant even as we move into summer.

    As I asked this morning, where does this end, what does the end look like?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,833

    Trump can't even recall which country his own father was born in.

    Get the codes off him now.

    Fred was born in New York, wasn't he?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061
    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    There's no existential crisis, there's just been a very stupid strategy of trying to get Reform votes and losing Labour voters.
    You're talking about the Tory Party.

    Now officially up Trumps ass.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,063
    edited March 3
    Nugget of truth or not, Trump can go AND choke on his freedom fries.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,189

    stodge said:

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    Another projection site for the locals.
    Tories hold Bexley is bold (as is only 3 wards between Norfolk and Suffolk)

    Unremittingly hopeless.

    I don't know why we give these so-called "projections" any publicity at all. They completely ignore or cannot deal with the presence of local Independents - Newham apparently will be 54 Labour and 12 Greens. The idea the Newham Independents will win nothing is absurd. If all these so-called projections are extrapolations of opinion polls and local by-elections, they should pack up and go home and we shouldn't indulge them or give them any credence.
    Its not great. Its not at all great
    What was the other one on this morning? 700 Labour losses and 300 Conservative losses? I'll have some of what they are smoking - with the polls showing Conservative support back in the high teens, how is it going to be anything other than a painful night for the party (and Labour) in both London and elsewhere?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,877

    Macron addressing les frogs at 8pm. If he announces France supports the effort to be rid of Irans regime then Starmer will look ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than he does at RAF Akrotiri doing a Gordon

    Almost as ridiculous as imagining the French will get involved in an American war.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318

    Starmer takes action

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2028865450445074502

    The UK is fully committed to the security of Cyprus and British military personnel based there.

    We’re continuing our defensive operations and I've just spoken with the President of Cyprus to let him know that we are sending helicopters with counter drone capabilities and HMS Dragon is to be deployed to the region.

    We will always act in the interest of the UK and our allies.

    Good to see the decision finally made, but dare I say slightly short-sighted to have not made the call weeks ago when it was clearly about to kick off in the region.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494
    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ·
    2h
    Trump has made it clear. This is a regime change mission. But you don't achieve regime change by replacing Khamenei with another ayatollah. In order for regime change to happen, the entire structure of the ayatollahs and the Revolutionary Guard must be swept away.

    https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/2028846608704475397
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112

    Macron addressing les frogs at 8pm. If he announces France supports the effort to be rid of Irans regime then Starmer will look ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than he does at RAF Akrotiri doing a Gordon

    Almost as ridiculous as imagining the French will get involved in an American war.
    Oh they won't. I mean support as in Merz's statement earlier.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,174

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good lord.

    Bill Clinton looks like Dick van Dyke, but older.
    https://x.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/2028830538400731430

    Hillary is still as sharp as a tack.
    https://x.com/PettyLupone/status/2028691856200991039
    She’d be a better candidate than Newsom or Harris, even now.
    She'd be a damn sight better president than Trump, then and now.
    Yes, but my cat would be a better president than Trump. The stupid one as well, not even his cleverer sister.
    The Truss Lettuce would be a better President.

    1) it wouldn’t have ordered illegal tariffs
    2) it wouldn’t have hacked off every ally of the US
    3) it wouldn’t have been invited to Epstein Island

    I could go on for several hundred lines.

    #VegatablesForASanePresidency
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,616
    Brixian59 said:

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    No PM has had to deal with Trump 2

    In general especially initial tariffs he played Trump perfectly

    Now he's showing a different side and it's Badenoch and Farage totally out of touch.
    You certainly seem to be striving to get your Starmtrooper stripes
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145

    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    It might’ve been a political error, but maybe it was better for the country?
    The supposed benefit of lower tariffs seem to have evaporated. The military aid to ukraine is gone.

    Fundamentally as someone else might have said... Trump is not a man we can do business with.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    edited March 3
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    Another projection site for the locals.
    Tories hold Bexley is bold (as is only 3 wards between Norfolk and Suffolk)

    Unremittingly hopeless.

    I don't know why we give these so-called "projections" any publicity at all. They completely ignore or cannot deal with the presence of local Independents - Newham apparently will be 54 Labour and 12 Greens. The idea the Newham Independents will win nothing is absurd. If all these so-called projections are extrapolations of opinion polls and local by-elections, they should pack up and go home and we shouldn't indulge them or give them any credence.
    Its not great. Its not at all great
    What was the other one on this morning? 700 Labour losses and 300 Conservative losses? I'll have some of what they are smoking - with the polls showing Conservative support back in the high teens, how is it going to be anything other than a painful night for the party (and Labour) in both London and elsewhere?
    Quite. Theyll be spinning individual councils where they can, the overall picture willbe of heavy losses in numbers
    That said i don't see it being as bad as May 2025, Reform are on the way down, not the way up
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    FF43 said:

    ydoethur said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    Just as long as he doesn't look at Merz and say, 'this is not Adolf Hitler we're dealing with.'
    Yup. Merz is a big disappointment.
    And Carney who supported the US and Israel almost straight away ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,494
    Spain's top export to America is not olive oil but medications.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,776

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/2028880275917111654

    .@POTUS: "Some of the European nations have been helpful, and some haven't—and I'm very surprised. Germany's been great... Spain has been terrible. In fact, I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain."

    "By the way, I'm not happy with the U.K. either."

    He sounds like a parent explaining why some of the kids are getting ice cream and the other are going straight to their room.....
    Now you're sounding like 'daddy' Rutte.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    Brixian59 said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
    Are Mertz and Carney traitors ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,232
    edited March 3
    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    I agree. In a sense his attempts to 'manage' Trump show him in a good light because it would have been personally unpleasant to have his tongue up there and it was putting (in his genuine perception) the national interest over domestic popularity and party, but it was a mistake. It misread Trump as 'transactional'. He isn't. He's wild and nasty. So it's led to the worst of all worlds. Looks weak for the obfuscation and punch pulling, gets the negative reward of being insulted.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145
    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    I agree. In a sense his attempts to 'manage' Trump show him in a good light because it would have been personally unpleasant to have his tongue up there and it was putting (in his genuine perception) the national interest over domestic popularity and party, but it was a mistake. It misread Trump as 'transactional'. He isn't. He's wild and nasty. So it's lead to the worst of all worlds. Looks weak for the obfuscation and punch pulling, gets the negative reward of being insulted.
    That's a framing I hadn't considered - good point.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,703

    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ·
    2h
    Trump has made it clear. This is a regime change mission. But you don't achieve regime change by replacing Khamenei with another ayatollah. In order for regime change to happen, the entire structure of the ayatollahs and the Revolutionary Guard must be swept away.

    https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/2028846608704475397

    Given how embedded the Revolutionary Guard is in every part of Iran that's an impossible task...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    stodge said:

    As for the ongoing turmoil in the Middle East, we now see how a few limited missile strikes by Tehran are having an impact completely out of proportion to any military consequence.

    Cruise ships stuck, people apparently desperate to leave (no, I don't believe it either) and western economies, as they have been for decades, hyper sensitive to any interruption of energy supply whether it be oil through Hormuz or LNG via Qatar. Forcing weak economies into recession or worse and the political impacts of said may be the best card Tehran has to play.

    Clearly, we have to hope any disruption to energy supplies is short lived but if not the economic impacts of a sharp rise in gas and petrol prices will be significant even as we move into summer.

    As I asked this morning, where does this end, what does the end look like?

    You could make a fortune if you knew that

    I expect the gulf states to join the US and Iran friendless
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,833
    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    I agree. In a sense his attempts to 'manage' Trump show him in a good light because it would have been personally unpleasant to have his tongue up there and it was putting (in his genuine perception) the national interest over domestic popularity and party, but it was a mistake. It misread Trump as 'transactional'. He isn't. He's wild and nasty. So it's led to the worst of all worlds. Looks weak for the obfuscation and punch pulling, gets the negative reward of being insulted.
    Does being insulted by Trump bring negative rewards?
  • These events can only help Starmer. The British public despise Trump and his attacking the UK is pathetic.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,272

    stodge said:

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    Another projection site for the locals.
    Tories hold Bexley is bold (as is only 3 wards between Norfolk and Suffolk)

    Unremittingly hopeless.

    I don't know why we give these so-called "projections" any publicity at all. They completely ignore or cannot deal with the presence of local Independents - Newham apparently will be 54 Labour and 12 Greens. The idea the Newham Independents will win nothing is absurd. If all these so-called projections are extrapolations of opinion polls and local by-elections, they should pack up and go home and we shouldn't indulge them or give them any credence.
    Its not great. Its not at all great
    “3.6 Roentgen, Not Great, Not Terrible”
    Not so good when shutting down somebody saying "But that's as high as the meter..."
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061
    Nigelb said:

    This seems.. essentially true.

    The Westminster commentariat is more perturbed about Britain being unable to join a US-Israeli offensive war of choice in the Middle East than it ever has been about Britain being unable to fight a defensive one of necessity in Europe
    https://x.com/arisroussinos/status/2028785984599453748

    Spot on

    The little Tory and Reform Englanders are bleeting
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,272

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    He's got to find somebody to blame for his own fuck-ups.

    And in Starmer....
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Brixian59 said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
    Are Mertz and Carney traitors ?
    Thats up to Germans and Canadians to decide.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    Another projection site for the locals.
    Tories hold Bexley is bold (as is only 3 wards between Norfolk and Suffolk)

    Unremittingly hopeless.

    I don't know why we give these so-called "projections" any publicity at all. They completely ignore or cannot deal with the presence of local Independents - Newham apparently will be 54 Labour and 12 Greens. The idea the Newham Independents will win nothing is absurd. If all these so-called projections are extrapolations of opinion polls and local by-elections, they should pack up and go home and we shouldn't indulge them or give them any credence.
    Its not great. Its not at all great
    What was the other one on this morning? 700 Labour losses and 300 Conservative losses? I'll have some of what they are smoking - with the polls showing Conservative support back in the high teens, how is it going to be anything other than a painful night for the party (and Labour) in both London and elsewhere?
    Quite. Theyll be spinning individual councils where they can, the overall picture willbe of heavy losses in numbers
    That said i don't see it being as bad as May 2025, Reform are on the way down, not the way up
    If Kemi had 1 councillors they would claim she had one foot on the ramp.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,191
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
    Are Mertz and Carney traitors ?
    Thats up to Germans and Canadians to decide.

    That is not what you said

    Anyone who supports Trump .....
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,151
    Vote Reform to follow the USA into any war they want to embark on !

    Pretty clear that Reform in power will end up with the UK being a vassal state of the US .

  • TazTaz Posts: 25,666
    edited March 3
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Dopermean said:

    nico67 said:

    I see the latest attempt to win hearts and minds is to completely flatten Tehran .

    If Israel is running the show then that shouldn't be a surprise
    Trump is a bit part player here. This is Bibi’s game and Trump is dancing to his tune.
    That sounds very dangerous. I mean, Trump's age and health and the cocktail of drugs he's on, any exertion could lead to President Vance.
    Watching him now. Bizarre. He’s just rambling
    Vance or Trump?
    Trump.

    Press conference post meeting with Merz.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,909

    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ·
    2h
    Trump has made it clear. This is a regime change mission. But you don't achieve regime change by replacing Khamenei with another ayatollah. In order for regime change to happen, the entire structure of the ayatollahs and the Revolutionary Guard must be swept away.

    https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/2028846608704475397

    I'm looking forward to Bolton getting in uniform and leading the US assault on Tehran himself, if he's that set on it.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,366
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
    Are Mertz and Carney traitors ?
    Thats up to Germans and Canadians to decide.

    They're very stupid. if it ends like Iraq it'll hag around their necks like a bad smell for as long as they live
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Brixian59 said:

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    No PM has had to deal with Trump 2

    In general especially initial tariffs he played Trump perfectly

    Now he's showing a different side and it's Badenoch and Farage totally out of touch.
    You certainly seem to be striving to get your Starmtrooper stripes
    Starmer will be seen in time as a hero

    Country before Party Country before personal ego.

    Like Kinnock and Smith when Labour win the next election the work he did inheriting devastated and destroyed Tory Britain and then dealing with Trump 2 will be seen in a far different light.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,061

    Brixian59 said:

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    No PM has had to deal with Trump 2

    In general especially initial tariffs he played Trump perfectly

    Now he's showing a different side and it's Badenoch and Farage totally out of touch.
    You certainly seem to be striving to get your Starmtrooper stripes
    Starmer will be seen in time as a hero

    Country before Party Country before personal ego.

    Like Kinnock and Smith when Labour win the next election the work he did inheriting devastated and destroyed Tory Britain and then dealing with Trump 2 will be seen in a far different light.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,232

    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    I agree. In a sense his attempts to 'manage' Trump show him in a good light because it would have been personally unpleasant to have his tongue up there and it was putting (in his genuine perception) the national interest over domestic popularity and party, but it was a mistake. It misread Trump as 'transactional'. He isn't. He's wild and nasty. So it's led to the worst of all worlds. Looks weak for the obfuscation and punch pulling, gets the negative reward of being insulted.
    Does being insulted by Trump bring negative rewards?
    If Trump seeks to humiliate SKS by doing things that hurt the UK I'd hope the public would rally to our PM over a hostile foreign leader - but based on some of the shit getting thrown around I'm not 100% confident of that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984
    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Trump in full on attack on UK and Spain

    The fact anyone supports Trump over anyone let alone a sovereign European State renders them as traitors, imbeciles and deranged

    The presser I've just watched would have seen a Peter sellers sketch with sellers as Trump kicked out for being utterly implausible.
    .

    Watching a US president who is beyond deranged.
    Are Mertz and Carney traitors ?
    Thats up to Germans and Canadians to decide.

    They're very stupid. if it ends like Iraq it'll hag around their necks like a bad smell for as long as they live
    We're already on a totally different trajectory. However it ends up, it won't be "like Iraq".
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    rkrkrk said:

    President Trump has said his most barbed thing yet about Sir Keir Starmer.

    “This is not Winston Churchill we're dealing with” the president said, in a news conference alongside the chancellor of Germany.

    Sounds like Keir is off the Christmas card list. Might give him a bump in the polls though.

    No easier way to improve his polling than pick a fight with Trump.

    The biggest strategic error of his premiership has been trying to moderate Trump. Led to Mandelson, big reason why he lost his core vote, makes him look indecisive/weak.
    I agree. In a sense his attempts to 'manage' Trump show him in a good light because it would have been personally unpleasant to have his tongue up there and it was putting (in his genuine perception) the national interest over domestic popularity and party, but it was a mistake. It misread Trump as 'transactional'. He isn't. He's wild and nasty. So it's led to the worst of all worlds. Looks weak for the obfuscation and punch pulling, gets the negative reward of being insulted.
    Does being insulted by Trump bring negative rewards?
    If Trump seeks to humiliate SKS by doing things that hurt the UK I'd hope the public would rally to our PM over a hostile foreign leader - but based on some of the shit getting thrown around I'm not 100% confident of that.
    Id rally to the best person imo to lead the UK. Starmer doesnt stop being a useless, inept fool just because Trump is having a go at him.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,909

    Has any PM ever been as consistently buffeted by events as Keir Starmer? Everything takes him by surprise, including the content of his own speeches.

    Boris Johnson consistently visited the buffet at events, if that counts.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,984
    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2028885697612902749

    Germany's Merz supports U.S. embargoing Spain, claims it's to "convince" them to increase NATO spending.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,648

    Roger said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Roger said:

    There's a good centre left grouping coming together. Now that Starmer is following his MPs and not slavishly following Trump a 'NEW LABOUR' could be at its centre. If he can't resist the pull towards Farage he can and will be replaced. He's got roughly 10 weeks to show he's the person to lead this grouping otherwise he'll be out. This I believe to be a fact.

    I think that ship has sailed sadly.
    Starmer has lost the left permanently.
    He has tewn weeks to get them back. Yesterday was a very good start. Everyone likes a repentant sinner and failing that Burnham is waiting in the wings. Burnham should get on well with Zack. Two Mancunions
    Starmer will not get the left back and replacing him may not be the cure you think it is

    Labour are in an existential crisis being attacked from right and left
    A Labour government has to deal with geopolitical reality, rather than just deliver what its left wing wants.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,145

    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ·
    2h
    Trump has made it clear. This is a regime change mission. But you don't achieve regime change by replacing Khamenei with another ayatollah. In order for regime change to happen, the entire structure of the ayatollahs and the Revolutionary Guard must be swept away.

    https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/2028846608704475397

    I'm looking forward to Bolton getting in uniform and leading the US assault on Tehran himself, if he's that set on it.
    From wiki: "Bolton was a supporter of the Vietnam War,[36] but avoided combat through a student deferment followed by enlistment in the Maryland National Guard."
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 286
    I'm told all of the computers are down at the Royal Free hospital. Iran flexing their Cyber muscles?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,797

    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton
    ·
    2h
    Trump has made it clear. This is a regime change mission. But you don't achieve regime change by replacing Khamenei with another ayatollah. In order for regime change to happen, the entire structure of the ayatollahs and the Revolutionary Guard must be swept away.

    https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/2028846608704475397

    Bolton's misunderstanding is that his idea of regime change is finding a new regime amenable to Western interests. Trump's idea of regime change is to find any new leader willing to say Trump is the greatest President ever and to pay him and his friends a few tens of oil billions - in exchange they can do what they like at home. That is easier to find.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,318
    More than 1,000 drones and missiles now sent from Iran to UAE. 94% successful interception rate.

    https://x.com/sajwani/status/2028880316321153415

    4 deaths and 50 injuries so far, mostly from falling debris rather than direct strikes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,112
    edited March 3

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2028885697612902749

    Germany's Merz supports U.S. embargoing Spain, claims it's to "convince" them to increase NATO spending.

    Lol Merz has told Starmer on the blower that the Euro buddies are all on the same page then done the dirty
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