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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,018
    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer
  • isamisam Posts: 43,714
    The Green Party now 8.4-8.8 to win most seats at the next GE.. unbelievable
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,923
    geoffw said:

    Dopermean said:

    Evan Davies interviewing Nikki da Costa, who's started shouting. She has admitted that they have no intention of allowing it to go to a vote in the Lords.
    1000 amendments debated on 3 clauses, they want to force it to be a party political issue when, for the best reasons, it has been brought forward as a matter of conscience.
    The HoL needs to be euthanised.

    Turkeys don't vote for Christmas

    they need plucking
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,152

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:
    If I was the agent I'd be having a fit at them all sitting down having coffee. "Get our on the streets; time for coffee or whatever after 9pm!"
    10pm!
    If someone came knocking up at my door after 9pm, they would not exactly be popular.
    I once had a canvasser knock my door at 7am

    Poor kid probably learnt a few swear words he didn't know.
    I've lived in the same house for 20 years, and I've never had a canvasser knock.
    I was canvassed by Labour during the campaign for the Ealing Southall by-election. He was flummoxed when I announced that I was a party member (me still being part of my branch up north).
    I was canvassed by Lab in GE 2024.

    I told them my no 1 issue was social care and was told it would be a top priority for incoming Lab government and there was going to be a National Care system and a focus on improving pay and conditions and retention of staff etc etc.

    Absolute pack of lies.

    You should have said your no 1 issue was Triffids.

    They would then have told you that eradication of mutant, aggressive, carnivorous plants was a major plank of policy.
    Great issue to get to the voters

    1) Greens - invasive species. Genetic engineering
    2) Nationalists - invented in the Soviet Union
    3) Scientists - used Lysenkoist methods in their creation
    4) Daily Mail readers - will reduce house prices. Immigrants.

    Etc
    1) Greens - "we will give ALL Trifid invaders, irrespective of their dietary preferences, an amnesty and give them free greenhouses and fertiliser!
    The Green Party - blind to the Triffid threat!
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,581

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-elections-executive-order-activists/

    Trump has previewed a "17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting"

    He’s a trier.

    Or he has the same window problem/opportunity as Putin.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 861

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.
    Fecking war criminal

    Don't humanise him

    He's up there with the very worst.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,039

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:
    If I was the agent I'd be having a fit at them all sitting down having coffee. "Get our on the streets; time for coffee or whatever after 9pm!"
    10pm!
    If someone came knocking up at my door after 9pm, they would not exactly be popular.
    I once had a canvasser knock my door at 7am

    Poor kid probably learnt a few swear words he didn't know.
    I've lived in the same house for 20 years, and I've never had a canvasser knock.
    I was canvassed by Labour during the campaign for the Ealing Southall by-election. He was flummoxed when I announced that I was a party member (me still being part of my branch up north).
    I was canvassed by Lab in GE 2024.

    I told them my no 1 issue was social care and was told it would be a top priority for incoming Lab government and there was going to be a National Care system and a focus on improving pay and conditions and retention of staff etc etc.

    Absolute pack of lies.

    You should have said your no 1 issue was Triffids.

    They would then have told you that eradication of mutant, aggressive, carnivorous plants was a major plank of policy.
    Great issue to get to the voters

    1) Greens - invasive species. Genetic engineering
    2) Nationalists - invented in the Soviet Union
    3) Scientists - used Lysenkoist methods in their creation
    4) Daily Mail readers - will reduce house prices. Immigrants.

    Etc
    1) Greens - "we will give ALL Trifid invaders, irrespective of their dietary preferences, an amnesty and give them free greenhouses and fertiliser!
    The Green Party - blind to the Triffid threat!
    A stinging campaign slogan!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,152

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-elections-executive-order-activists/

    Trump has previewed a "17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting"

    If China really was trying to stop another term of Trump, it's gone up in my estimation...
  • Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.
    Fecking war criminal

    Don't humanise him

    He's up there with the very worst.
    Hopefully he's got a dodgy tikka.
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 616

    Dopermean said:

    Evan Davies interviewing Nikki da Costa, who's started shouting. She has admitted that they have no intention of allowing it to go to a vote in the Lords.
    1000 amendments debated on 3 clauses, they want to force it to be a party political issue when, for the best reasons, it has been brought forward as a matter of conscience.
    The HoL needs to be euthanised.

    Isn't the issue a fairly small number of Lords putting down a wreckingly large number of amendments?

    Which, whist it's within the rules, also feels Not Entirely On.

    Though with today's vote in Jersey, presumably one-way tickets to the Channel Islands may become a thing.
    Only for the rich.
    A guest house in St Helier would be far cheaper than your last night on Earth at the Hotel Zurich, although at Hotel Zurich one does get a celebratory last night Lindt square on one's pillow.
    At that point you might as well hammer the credit card as it isn't like they can chase you for not paying the bill
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:
    If I was the agent I'd be having a fit at them all sitting down having coffee. "Get our on the streets; time for coffee or whatever after 9pm!"
    10pm!
    If someone came knocking up at my door after 9pm, they would not exactly be popular.
    I once had a canvasser knock my door at 7am

    Poor kid probably learnt a few swear words he didn't know.
    I've lived in the same house for 20 years, and I've never had a canvasser knock.
    I was canvassed by Labour during the campaign for the Ealing Southall by-election. He was flummoxed when I announced that I was a party member (me still being part of my branch up north).
    I was canvassed by Lab in GE 2024.

    I told them my no 1 issue was social care and was told it would be a top priority for incoming Lab government and there was going to be a National Care system and a focus on improving pay and conditions and retention of staff etc etc.

    Absolute pack of lies.

    You should have said your no 1 issue was Triffids.

    They would then have told you that eradication of mutant, aggressive, carnivorous plants was a major plank of policy.
    Great issue to get to the voters

    1) Greens - invasive species. Genetic engineering
    2) Nationalists - invented in the Soviet Union
    3) Scientists - used Lysenkoist methods in their creation
    4) Daily Mail readers - will reduce house prices. Immigrants.

    Etc
    1) Greens - "we will give ALL Trifid invaders, irrespective of their dietary preferences, an amnesty and give them free greenhouses and fertiliser!
    The Green Party - blind to the Triffid threat!
    Weren't the Triffids only a threat because everybody went blind (for reasons other than the Triffids)? I think we'll be fine.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,152
    isam said:

    The Green Party now 8.4-8.8 to win most seats at the next GE.. unbelievable

    That depends on them being the heirs to the Corbynista revolution.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 861

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Thats why they've stressed he won't.

    As it should be.

    Now, I wonder if they might find some what's app messages from Boris to Mandelson, you know those phones he can't unlock.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,258
    Foxy said:
    They look like they don't need the tantric sex. They look like winners!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    isam said:

    The Green Party now 8.4-8.8 to win most seats at the next GE.. unbelievable

    That depends on them being the heirs to the Corbynista revolution.
    It's looking promising for them. Corbyn's a bit past it now unless he's running for US President, and was never really comfortable as a credible party leader, so the ambitious Corbynistas may have moved on at last.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,353
    Barnesian said:

    The numbers of canvassers the parties are claiming are out knocking on doors today are imho utter bollocks.

    Figures like 1,000, even 2,000 people knocking on doors are being quoted.

    There are 74,000 voters in the by-election area according to wiki.

    At the UK average of 2.3 per household my maths says each canvasser, if say 2,000 out on the streets, will only need to knock on 16 doors.

    How long is that going to take? Even if every single one is answered (never happens) and there is two mins of chat that is only half an hour.

    It is all crap.

    Or maybe I am being stupid?

    As a canvasser you'd probably knock on about 100 doors in a 2 hour session, and half would be out.
    To call on 30,000 doors in this by election would require 3,000 canvassers.
    But the 1000-2000 canvassers being quoted will be from the three leading parties so there will be duplication. Some doors will be getting three calls.

    Over the last forty years I've probably knocked on 20,000 doors all over the South. I was door knocking in Hampstead last weekend. Over half were out.
    I've asked about 10,000 people how they intend to vote.
    These days I first ask who they will definitely NOT vote for. That gives me a big clue.
    Then I narrow it down.
    That was always my favourite tactic as a LibDem canvasser. When I met with a voter absolutely certain they weren’t voting for us, and about to close the door in my face, I’d take a guess as to whether they were Labour or Tory (much easier, back then), and then politely say “Thank you, fair enough, I will put you down as Labour then?” (if I thought they were Tory) or vice versa (if I thought they were Labour). More often or not, before the door closed, they’d say enough, or I’d see the look on their face, to confirm my original instinct.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,728
    kle4 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:
    If I was the agent I'd be having a fit at them all sitting down having coffee. "Get our on the streets; time for coffee or whatever after 9pm!"
    10pm!
    If someone came knocking up at my door after 9pm, they would not exactly be popular.
    I once had a canvasser knock my door at 7am

    Poor kid probably learnt a few swear words he didn't know.
    I've lived in the same house for 20 years, and I've never had a canvasser knock.
    I was canvassed by Labour during the campaign for the Ealing Southall by-election. He was flummoxed when I announced that I was a party member (me still being part of my branch up north).
    I was canvassed by Lab in GE 2024.

    I told them my no 1 issue was social care and was told it would be a top priority for incoming Lab government and there was going to be a National Care system and a focus on improving pay and conditions and retention of staff etc etc.

    Absolute pack of lies.

    You should have said your no 1 issue was Triffids.

    They would then have told you that eradication of mutant, aggressive, carnivorous plants was a major plank of policy.
    Great issue to get to the voters

    1) Greens - invasive species. Genetic engineering
    2) Nationalists - invented in the Soviet Union
    3) Scientists - used Lysenkoist methods in their creation
    4) Daily Mail readers - will reduce house prices. Immigrants.

    Etc
    1) Greens - "we will give ALL Trifid invaders, irrespective of their dietary preferences, an amnesty and give them free greenhouses and fertiliser!
    The Green Party - blind to the Triffid threat!
    Weren't the Triffids only a threat because everybody went blind (for reasons other than the Triffids)? I think we'll be fine.
    Well, I'd agree about the triffids but the Greens are a menace to our economy and rational government.
  • Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,039
    IanB2 said:

    The numbers of canvassers the parties are claiming are out knocking on doors today are imho utter bollocks.

    Figures like 1,000, even 2,000 people knocking on doors are being quoted.

    There are 74,000 voters in the by-election area according to wiki.

    At the UK average of 2.3 per household my maths says each canvasser, if say 2,000 out on the streets, will only need to knock on 16 doors.

    How long is that going to take? Even if every single one is answered (never happens) and there is two mins of chat that is only half an hour.

    It is all crap.

    Or maybe I am being stupid?

    Or there are a lot of pissed off people saying - “I’m not voting Labour, Green or Reform. Not after they knocked on my door 23 times.”

    That reminds me of the Bermondsey by-election, which I’d been down to London from my Cambridge Uni digs several times to help out with. On polling day I found myself sitting in some extraordinarily dull 9 am lecture in the Uni Geography building, half way through which I decided my life could more usefully be spent in South London getting Simon Hughes elected to Parliament.

    So I walked straight out of the lecture, went to the station, bought myself a ticket to London, and travelled down to south of the river. By the time I arrived, it transpired that so many Liberal helpers had descended on the seat that voters were already (late morning) complaining about the excessive number of times they were being knocked up, and the party had consequently decided to stop reminding voters to vote until the afternoon.

    Truly, my time spent there on poling day was essentially wasted (although at least I was there!) - my abiding memory of that day was calling on some almost-derelict terraced house, and having the door answered early afternoon by this already half-drunk guy in stained clothing wearing a string vest, who I was about to put down as a Labour voter until, to my astonishment, he assured me he always voted Conservative. A sign of things to come, and who’d have thought I would have run into our Leon way back then?
    For many a year, the long term residents of Churchill Gardens Estate were solid Blue. The folk in the posh houses in Pimlico were often Lib Dem or Laboir.

    Tachbrook Street was the classic for that.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,018
    Brixian59 said:

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Thats why they've stressed he won't.

    As it should be.

    Now, I wonder if they might find some what's app messages from Boris to Mandelson, you know those phones he can't unlock.
    You were questioning the ISC on here yesterday about their integrity and mps leaking information

    Maybe time to accept you were out of order rather than your usual whataboutery
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,039
    Brixian59 said:

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Thats why they've stressed he won't.

    As it should be.

    Now, I wonder if they might find some what's app messages from Boris to Mandelson, you know those phones he can't unlock.
    “…. A gnawing fear he would fain disguise”
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,280
    edited 6:43PM
    Ooooer. Another one gone. This is another 19 year old wearing his grandad's sweater. He's gone to Restore UK.

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/sittingbourne/news/defecting-councillor-slams-cult-around-nigel-farage-336949/

    Reform UK in Kent County Council are down to 47 councillors, down from 57 last May. There are 81 in toto.

    That's a bit squeaky.

    In other news, the domestic abuser one also in Kent who threatened to kill his wife received 12 months behind bars last week, and therefore loses his seat. So a byelection is incoming in that seat. 35 years old, and the controlling behaviour goes back to 2014. It's good to see holding to account.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c627ngz1k1eo
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,020

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    Green, Labour, Reform - I think!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    Greens by a whisker.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,154

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.
    Fecking war criminal

    Don't humanise him

    He's up there with the very worst.
    Hopefully he's got a dodgy tikka.
    Aww, be rice!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,945

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    The Betfair odds are moving gently to Green (currently 1.43) and away from Labour, though you can still get 5 on Reform.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,310

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    Green, Labour, Reform - I think!
    Yep, me too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,310

    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.

    Sweeney74 said:

    I am busy until 9ish.

    (Date night.)

    date nights usually start after 9, no?
    Feb 26, 2026 18:09 (IST)

    "I Owe India": Benjamin Netanyahu, His Wife And Their 'First Date' At Indian Restaurant

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he owes India "a great personal debt" because he met his wife Sara in an Indian restaurant in Israel's Tel Aviv. He said the "food was unbelievable".


    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pm-modi-israel-visit-live-updates-knesset-parliament-address-benjamin-netanyahu-india-israel-biltaeral-defence-security-talks-tel-aviv-11134478
    Trying to curry favour.
    Fecking war criminal

    Don't humanise him

    He's up there with the very worst.
    Hopefully he's got a dodgy tikka.
    Be careful. Bibi has been known to papadum-dum bullet in his enemies.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,018
    Foxy said:

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    Green, Labour, Reform - I think!
    Yep, me too.
    And me
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,280

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    My best prediction is that one of them will win !
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,699

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    Green, Reform, Labour

    (32, 29, 24)
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,603
    Whoever wins the election the local electorate loses.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,289

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    Lab, green then reform
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,310

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    The Betfair odds are moving gently to Green (currently 1.43) and away from Labour, though you can still get 5 on Reform.
    I have seen that be wrong so many times before the count starts!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,603

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/26/trump-elections-executive-order-activists/

    Trump has previewed a "17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting"

    Do you believe Trump genuinely won the 2020 election?

    Or is Trump rolling the pitch to steal the mid terms?
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 609
    IanB2 said:

    The numbers of canvassers the parties are claiming are out knocking on doors today are imho utter bollocks.

    Figures like 1,000, even 2,000 people knocking on doors are being quoted.

    There are 74,000 voters in the by-election area according to wiki.

    At the UK average of 2.3 per household my maths says each canvasser, if say 2,000 out on the streets, will only need to knock on 16 doors.

    How long is that going to take? Even if every single one is answered (never happens) and there is two mins of chat that is only half an hour.

    It is all crap.

    Or maybe I am being stupid?

    Or there are a lot of pissed off people saying - “I’m not voting Labour, Green or Reform. Not after they knocked on my door 23 times.”

    That reminds me of the Bermondsey by-election, which I’d been down to London from my Cambridge Uni digs several times to help out with. On polling day I found myself sitting in some extraordinarily dull 9 am lecture in the Uni Geography building, half way through which I decided my life could more usefully be spent in South London getting Simon Hughes elected to Parliament.

    So I walked straight out of the lecture, went to the station, bought myself a ticket to London, and travelled down to south of the river. By the time I arrived, it transpired that so many Liberal helpers had descended on the seat that voters were already (late morning) complaining about the excessive number of times they were being knocked up, and the party had consequently decided to stop reminding voters to vote until the afternoon.

    Truly, my time spent there on poling day was essentially wasted (although at least I was there!) - my abiding memory of that day was calling on some almost-derelict terraced house, and having the door answered early afternoon by this already half-drunk guy in stained clothing wearing a string vest, who I was about to put down as a Labour voter until, to my astonishment, he assured me he always voted Conservative. A sign of things to come, and who’d have thought I would have run into our Leon way back then?
    On the Saturday before the Croydon North West by election in 1981 there were so many helpers (it was before the Lib/SDP merger) that people were told to put on a Liberal badge and go and mill around the shopping centre. All the leaflets were out, the canvassing was under control, the clerical people were calm and efficient and so "helpers" simply had to be moved out of the building to let people get on with the work.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,020
    IanB2 said:

    The numbers of canvassers the parties are claiming are out knocking on doors today are imho utter bollocks.

    Figures like 1,000, even 2,000 people knocking on doors are being quoted.

    There are 74,000 voters in the by-election area according to wiki.

    At the UK average of 2.3 per household my maths says each canvasser, if say 2,000 out on the streets, will only need to knock on 16 doors.

    How long is that going to take? Even if every single one is answered (never happens) and there is two mins of chat that is only half an hour.

    It is all crap.

    Or maybe I am being stupid?

    Or there are a lot of pissed off people saying - “I’m not voting Labour, Green or Reform. Not after they knocked on my door 23 times.”

    That reminds me of the Bermondsey by-election, which I’d been down to London from my Cambridge Uni digs several times to help out with. On polling day I found myself sitting in some extraordinarily dull 9 am lecture in the Uni Geography building, half way through which I decided my life could more usefully be spent in South London getting Simon Hughes elected to Parliament.
    Is that the one where Peter Tatchell suffered all sorts of homophobia?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,901
    I predict:
    Greens 35%, Reform 27% Labour 25%

    Comfortable win for the Greens. The Workers Party not standing being the difference.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,732
    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,154

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Dirty bastards!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,759

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Good grief.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,508

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    ... false flag? It's so ridiculously OTT I'm raising an eyebrow. Otherwise the chance of a Reform majority at GE had increased somewhat - even an informal electoral pact is going to be a challenge.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 609

    IanB2 said:

    The numbers of canvassers the parties are claiming are out knocking on doors today are imho utter bollocks.

    Figures like 1,000, even 2,000 people knocking on doors are being quoted.

    There are 74,000 voters in the by-election area according to wiki.

    At the UK average of 2.3 per household my maths says each canvasser, if say 2,000 out on the streets, will only need to knock on 16 doors.

    How long is that going to take? Even if every single one is answered (never happens) and there is two mins of chat that is only half an hour.

    It is all crap.

    Or maybe I am being stupid?

    Or there are a lot of pissed off people saying - “I’m not voting Labour, Green or Reform. Not after they knocked on my door 23 times.”

    That reminds me of the Bermondsey by-election, which I’d been down to London from my Cambridge Uni digs several times to help out with. On polling day I found myself sitting in some extraordinarily dull 9 am lecture in the Uni Geography building, half way through which I decided my life could more usefully be spent in South London getting Simon Hughes elected to Parliament.
    Is that the one where Peter Tatchell suffered all sorts of homophobia?
    Yes, it certainly was - and in particular from John O'Grady, the Independent Labour candidate (four of the candidates had "Labour" in their descriptions.) The Liberals usually get the blame, but it was the breakaway Labour groups who (in my opinion) were the worst offenders.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,136

    Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?

    Lab, green then reform
    Reform 3rd would be a major (and welcome) surprise to me. I'd have them as the banker in my Jumele.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,805

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Shit like that is anti-democratic.

    Baseless slurs like that that have no more merit than shouting "your mum's fat" to the opposition.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,839
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    I'm not sure some on here are going to make it to the declaration tomorrow morning.

    A full polling day operation in a constituency will involve phone calls and social media monitoring as well as the troops on the ground delivering, telling and knocking up. Leafletting would also happen at railway stations and bus stations with a full constituency leaflet morning and evening and targetted leaflets during the day to those who had not yet voted.

    That's labour intensive and most won't work solidly from 7am to 10pm so basically two shifts - I reckon 500-750 would cover it

    The electorate is about 75,000 so a 40% turnout equals 30,000 votes so that's 9,000 each for Labour, Greens and Reform and 3,000 for everyone else?

    Will there be an exit poll?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,018
    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    I have no liking for the greens but that is just unacceptable
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,210
    Taz said:

    Cicero said:

    'IM ON THE TRAIN! YEAH, WE ARE LOSING!'

    OH HANG ON THERE IS SOMEONE LISTENING I AM NOT CONFIDENT WE ARE DEFINTELY LOSING BIG TIME I REPEAT LOSING
    "SHIT OUR ODDS ARE STILL TIGHTENING WE ARE FUCKING LOSING I TELL YOU"
    THE FUCKING ODDS HAVENT SHIFTED. SHOUT LOUDLY ON A PHONE IN A PUBLIC PLACE
    HELLO IM IN THE TRAIN LIBRARY
    Dom Joly is on tour at the moment... just saying... :smiley:
    I’m sure there are lots of tickets available.
    Actually, he seems quite popular- sold out the Palladium before Christmas.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,039
    kle4 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:
    If I was the agent I'd be having a fit at them all sitting down having coffee. "Get our on the streets; time for coffee or whatever after 9pm!"
    10pm!
    If someone came knocking up at my door after 9pm, they would not exactly be popular.
    I once had a canvasser knock my door at 7am

    Poor kid probably learnt a few swear words he didn't know.
    I've lived in the same house for 20 years, and I've never had a canvasser knock.
    I was canvassed by Labour during the campaign for the Ealing Southall by-election. He was flummoxed when I announced that I was a party member (me still being part of my branch up north).
    I was canvassed by Lab in GE 2024.

    I told them my no 1 issue was social care and was told it would be a top priority for incoming Lab government and there was going to be a National Care system and a focus on improving pay and conditions and retention of staff etc etc.

    Absolute pack of lies.

    You should have said your no 1 issue was Triffids.

    They would then have told you that eradication of mutant, aggressive, carnivorous plants was a major plank of policy.
    Great issue to get to the voters

    1) Greens - invasive species. Genetic engineering
    2) Nationalists - invented in the Soviet Union
    3) Scientists - used Lysenkoist methods in their creation
    4) Daily Mail readers - will reduce house prices. Immigrants.

    Etc
    1) Greens - "we will give ALL Trifid invaders, irrespective of their dietary preferences, an amnesty and give them free greenhouses and fertiliser!
    The Green Party - blind to the Triffid threat!
    Weren't the Triffids only a threat because everybody went blind (for reasons other than the Triffids)? I think we'll be fine.
    They were one step away from catastrophe - a commentary on human greed vs common sense.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,035
    That Labour van speaks of either desperation or it’s closer than expected and just a handful of votes could make a difference.

    As long as Reform don’t win I’ll be happy .
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,799
    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 609
    On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,152
    Ratters said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Shit like that is anti-democratic.

    Baseless slurs like that that have no more merit than shouting "your mum's fat" to the opposition.
    "Your prozzie mum's fat" even....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,154
    edited 7:21PM

    Ratters said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Shit like that is anti-democratic.

    Baseless slurs like that that have no more merit than shouting "your mum's fat" to the opposition.
    "Your prozzie mum's fat" even....
    The daughters for prostitutes bit feels very aimed at the Muslim vote somehow. Especially how it's waaaay bigger than teaching kids to use crack.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,310

    IanB2 said:

    The numbers of canvassers the parties are claiming are out knocking on doors today are imho utter bollocks.

    Figures like 1,000, even 2,000 people knocking on doors are being quoted.

    There are 74,000 voters in the by-election area according to wiki.

    At the UK average of 2.3 per household my maths says each canvasser, if say 2,000 out on the streets, will only need to knock on 16 doors.

    How long is that going to take? Even if every single one is answered (never happens) and there is two mins of chat that is only half an hour.

    It is all crap.

    Or maybe I am being stupid?

    Or there are a lot of pissed off people saying - “I’m not voting Labour, Green or Reform. Not after they knocked on my door 23 times.”

    That reminds me of the Bermondsey by-election, which I’d been down to London from my Cambridge Uni digs several times to help out with. On polling day I found myself sitting in some extraordinarily dull 9 am lecture in the Uni Geography building, half way through which I decided my life could more usefully be spent in South London getting Simon Hughes elected to Parliament.
    Is that the one where Peter Tatchell suffered all sorts of homophobia?
    Yes, it certainly was - and in particular from John O'Grady, the Independent Labour candidate (four of the candidates had "Labour" in their descriptions.) The Liberals usually get the blame, but it was the breakaway Labour groups who (in my opinion) were the worst offenders.
    Tatchell built himself quite a successful role as a gay rights activist as a result. Probably he wouldn't have been able to do that as a humble bacbencher. There was a lot of homophobia in those days.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,020
    edited 7:22PM
    nico67 said:

    That Labour van speaks of either desperation or it’s closer than expected and just a handful of votes could make a difference.

    As long as Reform don’t win I’ll be happy .

    Apologies for missing it, but is there any Labour reference on that van picture?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,035

    nico67 said:

    That Labour van speaks of either desperation or it’s closer than expected and just a handful of votes could make a difference.

    As long as Reform don’t win I’ll be happy .

    Apologies for missing it, but is there any Labour reference on that van picture?
    The driver apparently said it was Labour who commissioned the van .
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,728
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,035

    nico67 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Word from Labour sources suggests they think they have a majority of all Postal votes

    It might explain Tice sounding off yesterday

    I'm sceptical purely on basis they had to be on when Starmer seemed his most vulnerable.

    How would they even know what the postal votes were given the strict rules around them ?
    Because they were stuffing them until half an hour ago?
    Don’t do a Trump on us !
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,152
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    That Labour van speaks of either desperation or it’s closer than expected and just a handful of votes could make a difference.

    As long as Reform don’t win I’ll be happy .

    Apologies for missing it, but is there any Labour reference on that van picture?
    The driver apparently said it was Labour who commissioned the van .
    Let's see if it appears on their expenses.

    Or has the agents details on it.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,035
    Brixian59 said:

    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Word from Labour sources suggests they think they have a majority of all Postal votes

    It might explain Tice sounding off yesterday

    I'm sceptical purely on basis they had to be on when Starmer seemed his most vulnerable.

    Ah, the old 'we can accurately predict postal vote totals' line, a perennial lie/delusion from political parties come election time.
    No one is saying its accurate.

    They will know which wards they have come from and have a good idea from canvassing how many they have been promised and expect.

    If you've canvassed you'll know that by this sort of time you get a good or bad feel. One if the earliest indicators are the PV bundles and which area they are from.
    That makes more sense .
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 861

    On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?

    Lab to LD would not surprise me.

    Neither would Tory to LD.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443
    edited 7:29PM

    On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?

    I can see one in Flintshire (Lab to LD)

    Where the Council has some excellent 'multiple independent or local group' action.

    1 Independent (unattached)
    1 Non aligned
    5 Eagle Group
    6 Flintshire People's Voice
    11 Independents
    10 True Independents
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443
    edited 7:30PM
    Brixian59 said:

    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Word from Labour sources suggests they think they have a majority of all Postal votes

    It might explain Tice sounding off yesterday

    I'm sceptical purely on basis they had to be on when Starmer seemed his most vulnerable.

    Ah, the old 'we can accurately predict postal vote totals' line, a perennial lie/delusion from political parties come election time.
    No one is saying its accurate.

    They will know which wards they have come from and have a good idea from canvassing how many they have been promised and expect.

    If you've canvassed you'll know that by this sort of time you get a good or bad feel. One if the earliest indicators are the PV bundles and which area they are from.
    More reasonable, but still just one step above reading tea leaves - parties are continually surprised by losing seats they did not know were at risk or winning seats they had no idea they were leading in. At parliamentary level that is hopefully less common, but their data is nowhere near as strong as they believe.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,152

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    I would have assumed it was Reform behind it.

    Certainly more likely to split the vote than coalesce behind Labour.

    Get Andy Burnham on the record about it.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 861

    Brixian59 said:

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Thats why they've stressed he won't.

    As it should be.

    Now, I wonder if they might find some what's app messages from Boris to Mandelson, you know those phones he can't unlock.
    You were questioning the ISC on here yesterday about their integrity and mps leaking information

    Maybe time to accept you were out of order rather than your usual whataboutery
    You really need to read what I write not what you think I write.

    I asked "what if a member of the committee leaked information"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    useful word as order sequential as.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,020
    kle4 said:

    On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?

    I can see one in Flintshire (Lab to LD)

    Where the Council has some excellent 'multiple independent or local group' action.

    1 Independent (unattached)
    1 Non aligned
    5 Eagle Group
    6 Flintshire People's Voice
    11 Independents
    10 True Independents
    Popular Front of Judea
    Judean Popular Front
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 609
    kle4 said:

    On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?

    I can see one in Flintshire (Lab to LD)

    Where the Council has some excellent 'multiple independent or local group' action.

    1 Independent (unattached)
    1 Non aligned
    5 Eagle Group
    6 Flintshire People's Voice
    11 Independents
    10 True Independents
    Thanks - I think that was a couple of days ago - but I see that two Independents in Swansea have indeed joined the Lib Dems. Like prognostications for the G&D result, I suspect that there's been a lot of fever-dream double counting going on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,310
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    useful word as order sequential as.
    I never really got my head around how so many Mid Eastern languages are written without vowels.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,020
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    That Labour van speaks of either desperation or it’s closer than expected and just a handful of votes could make a difference.

    As long as Reform don’t win I’ll be happy .

    Apologies for missing it, but is there any Labour reference on that van picture?
    The driver apparently said it was Labour who commissioned the van .
    But a passer-by wouldn't know that?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,564
    kle4 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:
    If I was the agent I'd be having a fit at them all sitting down having coffee. "Get our on the streets; time for coffee or whatever after 9pm!"
    10pm!
    If someone came knocking up at my door after 9pm, they would not exactly be popular.
    I once had a canvasser knock my door at 7am

    Poor kid probably learnt a few swear words he didn't know.
    I've lived in the same house for 20 years, and I've never had a canvasser knock.
    I was canvassed by Labour during the campaign for the Ealing Southall by-election. He was flummoxed when I announced that I was a party member (me still being part of my branch up north).
    I was canvassed by Lab in GE 2024.

    I told them my no 1 issue was social care and was told it would be a top priority for incoming Lab government and there was going to be a National Care system and a focus on improving pay and conditions and retention of staff etc etc.

    Absolute pack of lies.

    You should have said your no 1 issue was Triffids.

    They would then have told you that eradication of mutant, aggressive, carnivorous plants was a major plank of policy.
    Great issue to get to the voters

    1) Greens - invasive species. Genetic engineering
    2) Nationalists - invented in the Soviet Union
    3) Scientists - used Lysenkoist methods in their creation
    4) Daily Mail readers - will reduce house prices. Immigrants.

    Etc
    1) Greens - "we will give ALL Trifid invaders, irrespective of their dietary preferences, an amnesty and give them free greenhouses and fertiliser!
    The Green Party - blind to the Triffid threat!
    Weren't the Triffids only a threat because everybody went blind (for reasons other than the Triffids)? I think we'll be fine.
    They were a threat before the world went blind, especially in third world countries, but were not taken very seriously as a threat in the UK.

    After everyone went blind, it was only the protagonist who perceived how dangerous they'd be, at first, while others mocked his desire to get anti-triffid equipment.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,280

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    I would have assumed it was Reform behind it.

    Certainly more likely to split the vote than coalesce behind Labour.

    Get Andy Burnham on the record about it.
    Does anyone know what the actual Green policy is?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    That Labour van speaks of either desperation or it’s closer than expected and just a handful of votes could make a difference.

    As long as Reform don’t win I’ll be happy .

    Apologies for missing it, but is there any Labour reference on that van picture?
    The driver apparently said it was Labour who commissioned the van .
    But a passer-by wouldn't know that?
    Sometimes wounding your opponent is worth it, even if you do not claim credit and a third party might also benefit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,020
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    useful word as order sequential as.
    I never really got my head around how so many Mid Eastern languages are written without vowels.
    Abjads, not "proper" alphabets!
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,839
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    ComputerNamesReversedTheTrend.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,728
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    useful word as order sequential as.
    I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,310
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    useful word as order sequential as.
    I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
    In German the verb at the end is going.

    A problem for similtaneous translators, and the inspiration for Yoda.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,839
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    useful word as order sequential as.
    I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
    That sort of difference makes me wonder whether native speakers of other languages think differently.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,018
    edited 7:53PM
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Sky

    The Intelligence and Secuity Committee have announced the government have agreed a framework with the police when it comes to releasing the Mandelson documents in terms of the vetting and due diligence around the hiring of Mandelson

    They said there was a meeting today, and a substantive discussion on whether the ISC has the final decision on publication or a matter for the government and therefore the PM, and they are insisting officials have confirmed it is the ISC that will have the final say, not the PM

    The ISC are expecting officials to talk to them and tell them how many documents there will be and not the PM

    I find it remarkable that anyone could think Starmer could have control of these documents and it is good the ISC has been affirmed they will decide not Starmer

    Thats why they've stressed he won't.

    As it should be.

    Now, I wonder if they might find some what's app messages from Boris to Mandelson, you know those phones he can't unlock.
    You were questioning the ISC on here yesterday about their integrity and mps leaking information

    Maybe time to accept you were out of order rather than your usual whataboutery
    You really need to read what I write not what you think I write.

    I asked "what if a member of the committee leaked information"
    You wrote

    How can the speaker trust any member of the ISC not to go rogue

    That could be an opposition mp or a government mp with an axe to grind

    Politics is politics things are hidden or delayed

    Perfect example the Russian report

    The speaker may be judge and jury in the HOC he has absolutely no influence outside of the HOC

    The truth will come out about AMW and Mandelson and others, when and only when the CPS and police decide what the charges are and in the meantime that is that

    It has always been the same and if a mass murderer, terrorist, child abuser, or a petty criminal deserve a fair trail, so do AMW and Mandelson however much political opportunists and biased media scream and scream and scream like Violet Elizabeth

    .....................

    The ISC will be the arbiter of what is released, not Starmer or the Police, and as the Speaker confirmed the police have no power over the HOC
  • isamisam Posts: 43,714
    Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane

    Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights


    https://x.com/fhamiltontimes/status/2027056430511976498?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,490
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    useful word as order sequential as.
    I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
    That sort of difference makes me wonder whether native speakers of other languages think differently.
    They must do when they think in words and sentences.
    I had a polyglot colleague who could have passed for native British, French, German, or Russian. But when discussing some numerical matter he was heard to count in Italian, thus giving away his first language

  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,603
    isam said:

    Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane

    Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights


    https://x.com/fhamiltontimes/status/2027056430511976498?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ludicrous
  • TresTres Posts: 3,501
    nico67 said:

    That Labour van speaks of either desperation or it’s closer than expected and just a handful of votes could make a difference.

    As long as Reform don’t win I’ll be happy .

    where's the evidence it's a labour van? other than a random photo from muskland?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,933
    A quarter of a century ago, I spoke at a conference session titled “How to get HR a seat on the board”. It was standing-room only. Today it would be cancelled for lack of interest. The human resources boss not only has a seat, they have the chief executive on speed dial.

    And yet, as Policy Exchange makes plain in its report on Britain’s bloated HR function (where the proportion of employees has almost doubled in 20 years), something has gone badly wrong. Britain’s HR sector is now 60 per cent larger than that of the US. Cutting it to the same proportion would save companies £10 billion.

    What have we got for this investment? Productivity has flatlined. Absence and long-term sickness have surged. Bullying and harassment claims have multiplied. “Quiet quitting” is accepted and side hustles have become the norm. HR was meant to be the solution to people problems. Instead, it has become part of the problem.


    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/bloated-hr-big-workplace-problem-ldzhg0tqc

    You can add much of H&S, QA and anything else in the alphabet soup to the issue.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,843
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    ComputerNamesReversedTheTrend.
    snake_case_for_the_win
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 148
    edited 8:05PM

    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    ComputerNamesReversedTheTrend.
    snake_case_for_the_win
    PascalCaseIsBetter
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,508
    edited 8:04PM
    isam said:

    Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane

    Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights


    https://x.com/fhamiltontimes/status/2027056430511976498?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.

    I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."

    This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,777

    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Dirty Labour. I suppose if it wasn’t a two horse race they’d be alleging the Greens killed kittens.



    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2027077805058506866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
    This was obviously their inspiration:


    The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
    Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
    ComputerNamesReversedTheTrend.
    snake_case_for_the_win
    camelCase gives me the hump
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    A quarter of a century ago, I spoke at a conference session titled “How to get HR a seat on the board”. It was standing-room only. Today it would be cancelled for lack of interest. The human resources boss not only has a seat, they have the chief executive on speed dial.

    And yet, as Policy Exchange makes plain in its report on Britain’s bloated HR function (where the proportion of employees has almost doubled in 20 years), something has gone badly wrong. Britain’s HR sector is now 60 per cent larger than that of the US. Cutting it to the same proportion would save companies £10 billion.

    What have we got for this investment? Productivity has flatlined. Absence and long-term sickness have surged. Bullying and harassment claims have multiplied. “Quiet quitting” is accepted and side hustles have become the norm. HR was meant to be the solution to people problems. Instead, it has become part of the problem.


    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/bloated-hr-big-workplace-problem-ldzhg0tqc

    You can add much of H&S, QA and anything else in the alphabet soup to the issue.

    HR feels like an industry designed to increase work for itself rather than to address genuine issues which are the legitimate reason for its existence.

    That may be a little unfair, I know some good people in HR despite the sector having a poor reputation, but it never feels like it is designed to help the employees, or even the employer quite frankly, when you'd think it should at least be beneficial for the latter.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,443

    POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.

    Just ask Kerry McCarthy.

    A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.

    Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.

    It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11621053
    Useless information which she still couldn't help leaking, making it even more pointless.
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