Trump has previewed a "17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting"
Do you believe Trump genuinely won the 2020 election?
Or is Trump rolling the pitch to steal the mid terms?
As @Nigelb commented the other day, it's amazing the Democrats managed to rig the election while not in power in 2020, but didn't manage it when they were in power in 2024.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane
Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights
Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.
I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."
This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
A quarter of a century ago, I spoke at a conference session titled “How to get HR a seat on the board”. It was standing-room only. Today it would be cancelled for lack of interest. The human resources boss not only has a seat, they have the chief executive on speed dial.
And yet, as Policy Exchange makes plain in its report on Britain’s bloated HR function (where the proportion of employees has almost doubled in 20 years), something has gone badly wrong. Britain’s HR sector is now 60 per cent larger than that of the US. Cutting it to the same proportion would save companies £10 billion.
What have we got for this investment? Productivity has flatlined. Absence and long-term sickness have surged. Bullying and harassment claims have multiplied. “Quiet quitting” is accepted and side hustles have become the norm. HR was meant to be the solution to people problems. Instead, it has become part of the problem.
You can add much of H&S, QA and anything else in the alphabet soup to the issue.
HR feels like an industry designed to increase work for itself rather than to address genuine issues which are the legitimate reason for its existence.
That may be a little unfair, I know some good people in HR despite the sector having a poor reputation, but it never feels like it is designed to help the employees, or even the employer quite frankly, when you'd think it should at least be beneficial for the latter.
Work for itself rather than to address genuine issues which are the legitimate reason for its existence?
As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants
Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.
This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.
Great stuff - I have laid the Greens on Betfair so effectively have 2/1 on anyone else to win which feels like value as the recent poll was 28 28 27 or similar IIRC.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
That sort of difference makes me wonder whether native speakers of other languages think differently.
German is much worse in that respect. I struggled to master their complex grammar rules for years. Then when I first visited the country I was astonished to find that in everyday speech they would simply ignore the rules and use simpler and more natural structures. Similarly they would fudge der/die/das/dem etc often by just hitting the 'd' and leaving the ending vague. The meaning remained clear enough.
Different with formal presentations of course, but then we do the same when we avoid 'ain't' and 'innit' when obliged to talk proper.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
Trump has previewed a "17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting"
Do you believe Trump genuinely won the 2020 election?
Or is Trump rolling the pitch to steal the mid terms?
As @Nigelb commented the other day, it's amazing the Democrats managed to rig the election while not in power in 2020, but didn't manage it when they were in power in 2024.
Disappointingly no response from William. He is an astute commentator so I am assuming his answers would be no and yes in that order. His silence is deafening.
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
That sort of difference makes me wonder whether native speakers of other languages think differently.
German is much worse in that respect. I struggled to master their complex grammar rules for years. Then when I first visited the country I was astonished to find that in everyday speech they would simply ignore the rules and use simpler and more natural structures. Similarly they would fudge der/die/das/dem etc often by just hitting the 'd' and leaving the ending vague. The meaning remained clear enough.
Different with formal presentations of course, but then we do the same when we avoid 'ain't' and 'innit' when obliged to talk proper.
Someone was saying recently this trend was increasing across Europe – German, French, even English with bad, sick and lit and new accents like MLE – so that native speakers are getting further and further from the formally correct speech taught in schools to foreigners.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
You can retain a lot of meaning while dispensing with verbs altogether, in the style of Tony Blair.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane
Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights
Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.
I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."
This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
That sort of difference makes me wonder whether native speakers of other languages think differently.
German is much worse in that respect. I struggled to master their complex grammar rules for years. Then when I first visited the country I was astonished to find that in everyday speech they would simply ignore the rules and use simpler and more natural structures. Similarly they would fudge der/die/das/dem etc often by just hitting the 'd' and leaving the ending vague. The meaning remained clear enough.
Different with formal presentations of course, but then we do the same when we avoid 'ain't' and 'innit' when obliged to talk proper.
Someone was saying recently this trend was increasing across Europe – German, French, even English with bad, sick and lit and new accents like MLE – so that native speakers are getting further and further from the formally correct speech taught in schools to foreigners.
A tutorial on how modern greetings in German don't match the textbooks:
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
You can retain a lot of meaning while dispensing with verbs altogether, in the style of Tony Blair.
Tough on English, tough on the clauses of English.
Out of interest, what is everyone's prediction for tonight's by-election?
Increased share for "I'm hearing that".
Probably a swing to "Rumours on Twitter say".
Doubtless a strong showing from "I've heard from the count that...".
A deposit saving effort from "looking at the bundles, I can say..."
Police have been called in. Massive security breach.
Apparently there is an individual who everyone claims knows *everything*.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Yard announced - “our pursuit of the individual ‘Fuck’ will be relentless. Our enquiries will centre on how he obtains his information.”
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
You can retain a lot of meaning while dispensing with verbs altogether, in the style of Tony Blair.
Tough on English, tough on the clauses of English.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
You can retain a lot of meaning while dispensing with verbs altogether, in the style of Tony Blair.
Surely it was adverbs Blair dispensed with. "Saddam Hussain does (NOT) have weapons of mass destruction".
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
That sort of difference makes me wonder whether native speakers of other languages think differently.
German is much worse in that respect. I struggled to master their complex grammar rules for years. Then when I first visited the country I was astonished to find that in everyday speech they would simply ignore the rules and use simpler and more natural structures. Similarly they would fudge der/die/das/dem etc often by just hitting the 'd' and leaving the ending vague. The meaning remained clear enough.
Different with formal presentations of course, but then we do the same when we avoid 'ain't' and 'innit' when obliged to talk proper.
Someone was saying recently this trend was increasing across Europe – German, French, even English with bad, sick and lit and new accents like MLE – so that native speakers are getting further and further from the formally correct speech taught in schools to foreigners.
You mean formerly correct speech. Languages evolve as they always have done. And that correct speech was always class based. Designed to help you communicate with your social and economic peers. You couldn't ever converse with a docker in Marseille with the French you learned at school. Any more than a German could with an Ashington miner with their English.
A quarter of a century ago, I spoke at a conference session titled “How to get HR a seat on the board”. It was standing-room only. Today it would be cancelled for lack of interest. The human resources boss not only has a seat, they have the chief executive on speed dial.
And yet, as Policy Exchange makes plain in its report on Britain’s bloated HR function (where the proportion of employees has almost doubled in 20 years), something has gone badly wrong. Britain’s HR sector is now 60 per cent larger than that of the US. Cutting it to the same proportion would save companies £10 billion.
What have we got for this investment? Productivity has flatlined. Absence and long-term sickness have surged. Bullying and harassment claims have multiplied. “Quiet quitting” is accepted and side hustles have become the norm. HR was meant to be the solution to people problems. Instead, it has become part of the problem.
You can add much of H&S, QA and anything else in the alphabet soup to the issue.
HR feels like an industry designed to increase work for itself rather than to address genuine issues which are the legitimate reason for its existence.
That may be a little unfair, I know some good people in HR despite the sector having a poor reputation, but it never feels like it is designed to help the employees, or even the employer quite frankly, when you'd think it should at least be beneficial for the latter.
Genuine HR is like genuine H&S - invaluable.
The problem is that senior managers have no idea of the difference between toxic stupidity and skill. So bullshit artists flood into such areas.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
Wikipedia lists it as the least common type after subject-object-verb, subject-verb-object, verb-subject-object, verb-object-subject, and object-verb-subject?
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
You can retain a lot of meaning while dispensing with verbs altogether, in the style of Tony Blair.
Tough on English, tough on the clauses of English.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
Wikipedia lists it as the least common type after subject-object-verb, subject-verb-object, verb-subject-object, verb-object-subject, and object-verb-subject?
Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane
Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights
Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.
I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."
This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
Source?
Apologies. I meant subject object verb. My mistake.
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants
Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.
This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.
Great stuff - I have laid the Greens on Betfair so effectively have 2/1 on anyone else to win which feels like value as the recent poll was 28 28 27 or similar IIRC.
Did you hear about the scarecrow who set up a market research firm?
Trump has previewed a "17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting"
Do you believe Trump genuinely won the 2020 election?
Or is Trump rolling the pitch to steal the mid terms?
As @Nigelb commented the other day, it's amazing the Democrats managed to rig the election while not in power in 2020, but didn't manage it when they were in power in 2024.
Disappointingly no response from William. He is an astute commentator so I am assuming his answers would be no and yes in that order. His silence is deafening.
A great example as well why when posting a quote and link, a simple indication of what you think of it - even just 'this is interesting' - can be helpful.
As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants
Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.
This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.
Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane
Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights
Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.
I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."
This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
Sure. But when you've got a violent man like this on the loose there no excuses. None. Data protesction law? Pathetic.
Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Object subject verb languages are more numerous than subject verb object ones.
Wikipedia lists it as the least common type after subject-object-verb, subject-verb-object, verb-subject-object, verb-object-subject, and object-verb-subject?
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
What is "the other site"?
I'm guessing Vote UK - never been.
Good site - very informative - not so brutal as PB can be at times
Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane
Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane
Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights
Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.
I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."
This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
Sure. But when you've got a violent man like this on the loose there no excuses. None. Data protesction law? Pathetic.
Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
I deal with data protection law, day to day. The story sounds like bullshit. I’m just an amateur, not a lawyer, but…
To start with, data protection would be about not disclosing information outside those needing and cleared for the information.
Police officers investigating violent crime would be automatically included in the group who can see evidence relating to other violent crimes.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
You can still start a sentence not knowing how it's going to end in, for example, German, but you just get a different choice.
Take the sentence, "I ran home", or in German, "Ich bin nach Hause gelaufen". While in English you might reconsider the destination halfway through, replacing "home" with "to my place", in German you might reconsider how you got there, replacing "gelaufen" with "gefahren" to say "I drove home".
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
Guessing you can't be familiar with German because that's very often the case in that language.
As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants
Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.
This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.
Superb.
Glad I am not alone tonight.
Labour is the value bet here.
Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
On a more trivial note, I have heard a (definitely not corroborated) rumour of four councillor defections to the Lib Dems in Wales. Listless googling and references to the usual sites hasn't produced anything authoritative - has anyone heard any details?
Hi, If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
Extraordinary evidence at public inquiry into Nottingham triple killer Valdo Calocane
Police officer has claimed that cops could not link two prior violent incidents, which occurred on the same day, investigated by the same force, because of suspect's "data protection" rights
Sorry, you've got to take personal responsibility instead of whining about regulations and red tape. Link the crimes, get on with job, the chance of legal action is miniscule and any court is going to find in your favour if you have an obvious danger to life.
I've worked with people like this. Forever shirking responsbility by hiding behind paperwork. Read the guidance, work out what the general objective is, decide if it's relevant or not, make sure your motivation, reasoning and actions are documented , and crack on. In this case: "bloke's gonna murder someone, let's move."
This isn't the failure of data protection law. It's some fuckwit sergeant or inspector.
All overridden by Instruction number 1: protect yourself from institutional backstabbing.
Do people have no self-respect anymore, or a sense of doing the right thing, or a good job? Drives me mad. Surely you could find a superior who would have your back? Maybe I'm just fortunate in having colleagues who relish it when I ruffle feathers.
Being retired I'm not in the game any more. I have the utmost sympathy for people who rely on keeping their jobs and are trying to negotiate the minefield whilst still retaining their integrity.
Sure. But when you've got a violent man like this on the loose there no excuses. None. Data protesction law? Pathetic.
Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
I deal with data protection law, day to day. The story sounds like bullshit. I’m just an amateur, not a lawyer, but…
To start with, data protection would be about not disclosing information outside those needing and cleared for the information.
Police officers investigating violent crime would be automatically included in the group who can see evidence relating to other violent crimes.
Plus, you are allowed to collect and process data for permitted purposes. The idea that the data from two separate criminal investigations cannot be linked because that's forbidden is absurd. Fighting crime is the purpose for which it has been collected. You wouldn't be able to use the data for an unconnected purpose (such as marketing last minute package holidays to Spain).
A company you buy things from is allowed to link the data from two separate orders you make from them, for example.
As a general point, could we just say that something is bullshit when it is bullshit?
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
You can still start a sentence not knowing how it's going to end in, for example, German, but you just get a different choice.
Take the sentence, "I ran home", or in German, "Ich bin nach Hause gelaufen". While in English you might reconsider the destination halfway through, replacing "home" with "to my place", in German you might reconsider how you got there, replacing "gelaufen" with "gefahren" to say "I drove home".
This harks back to AnneJGP's comment about thinking differently - very interesting
Sky News are reporting that the Govt will not give any extra time to the Assisted Dying Bill so it is almost certain to not become law.
So, rich people can avoid pain by going to Switzerland.
The rest of you? Suck it up.
Come back with a better bill with adequate safeguards then fine.
What safeguards do you want that aren't in the bill already?
The Bill is done and a new one will come so it’s largely irrelevant however more on preventing coercion and certainly to prevent the sort of mission creep we’ve seen in places like Canada.
Money grubbing relatives dispatching granny for her cash needs to be stopped full stop.
There are other things too however the bill looks doomed so it starts afresh sometime in the future.
I think if we say no-one should be assisted to death in any circumstances, no matter how awful the pain, that's a principled opposition we can agree or disagree with, but should respect.
If we say, safeguards are inadequate but when challenged to state what safeguards would make assisted dying acceptable but are missing from the bill, and then resort to waffle, that's unprincipled opposition and should be called out as such.
The dishonesty of those pushing this Bill never disappoints. Opponents, both in the Commons and Lords, not all of whom are opposed in principle, have spelt out in detail all the safeguards - with clear drafting - the safeguards they want to see in the Bill. These have been rejected. It is the failure of the Bill's proponents to engage with the genuine concerns raised by many bodies representing those highly likely to be diversely affected by this Bill which has led to failure. And like others you raise the issue of pain. This Bill does not anywhere mention pain. Pain is simply not a reason to get AD under this Bill.
If you want a list of all the safeguards that have been put forward and rejected, this can be done.
I wonder what time the count will finish. If it's tight there might be a couple (at least) of recounts. The first election I was involved in, the Returning Officer said if a recount was needed he'd seal up the boxes and we'd start again the next morning. And there's always the possibility of a Winchester 1997 re-run!
The result was declared at around 5:40am at the 2024 general election.
That was with one of the lowest turnouts in the country, and a massive majority for Labour.
As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants
Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.
This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.
Superb.
Glad I am not alone tonight.
Labour is the value bet here.
Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
Short answer, Anne, is yes they do. When that happens the odds become irrational and opportunities open up for objective gamblers.
It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
Evan Davies interviewing Nikki da Costa, who's started shouting. She has admitted that they have no intention of allowing it to go to a vote in the Lords. 1000 amendments debated on 3 clauses, they want to force it to be a party political issue when, for the best reasons, it has been brought forward as a matter of conscience. The HoL needs to be euthanised.
Isn't the issue a fairly small number of Lords putting down a wreckingly large number of amendments?
Which, whist it's within the rules, also feels Not Entirely On.
Though with today's vote in Jersey, presumably one-way tickets to the Channel Islands may become a thing.
The Lord who has out down a lot of amendments is Lord Falconer, the Bill's sponsor. Some of those amendments are to weaken the safeguards the Commons voted for. No, I don't know why either. I do know that many of those commenting on this issue here have not bothered to acquaint themselves with the facts about what has been happening with this Bill when it faced some real scrutiny, a scrutiny which both Leadbetter and Dignity in Dying said they welcomed until they realise that it did not mean rubber stamping a Bill which all the experts asked to give evidence on it described as "not safe".
POSTING ABOUT POSTAL VOTES CAN GET PB INTO TROUBLE.
Just ask Kerry McCarthy.
A Labour MP has been given a police caution following an allegation of electoral fraud.
Bristol East MP Kerry McCarthy, external revealed the results of a sample of postal votes on the social networking site Twitter days before the general election.
It is illegal to reveal the votes cast before the end of polling day as it may influence the outcome of the election.
As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants
Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.
This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.
Superb.
Glad I am not alone tonight.
Labour is the value bet here.
Asking as a non-gambler: do people really bet on an outcome they want rather than one that's either likely or, as here, value? From the outside, it sometimes seems as though some believe that the more money wagered on an outcome the likelier it is to happen, as opposed to money being wagered because it's the likeliest outcome. If I wanted to support a cause I'd donate my money to those promoting it.
Short answer, Anne, is yes they do. When that happens the odds become irrational and opportunities open up for objective gamblers.
It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
Many people bet on outcomes they want. The classic example is football fans betting on "their team" to win the Championship. In theory all those sentimental betters cancel each other out and what is left are the savvy punters. But political betting has an added quirk, as rich punters have a political bias one way, poor punters the other, but a rich man's bet is bigger than a poor man's bet even though they all have one vote each.
Political betting can also be skewed by candidates betting heavily on themselves to try to influence the outcome. Clement Freud was famous for doing this successfully, dropping his odds and eventually winning the seat. He later became infamous for more unsavory things, but for a while he was known for his gambling.
There's far too much text on that scare poster. Granted the final message is clear about 'no green madness' but at a glance I get 'To all voters...something something...prostitution'.
This was obviously their inspiration:
The invention of spaces between words was a worthy one indeed.
Whatonearthmakesyouthinkthat?
useful word as order sequential as.
I always found it really weird that the verb was at the end of the sentence in Latin. It was hard enough in reading text but did people really speak like that? Do Italians? I start so many sentences not yet knowing how they are going to end. A structure like that would make that impossible.
In German the verb at the end is going.
A problem for similtaneous translators, and the inspiration for Yoda.
And, interestingly, something abandoned during the transition from Old English to Middle English; a key argument for those who believe Middle English owes far more to Old Norse than is usually acknowledged.
As you may know I am in B&B digs now during the week and out of position for the betting shop. But my political betting gland is drying up and causing me gyp, so I made the long, weary trek by foot to a betting shop. So it was that after 7pm tonight I placed the following bet #BigBoyPants
Labour 11/2, Election Winner, 2026 Gorton and Denton By-election, total stake £10, max returns £65.
This is based on nothing but value: I don't like them and I have no idea if they will win or not, but 11/2 in a Labour stronghold is value and in a three-way-tie you bet on value.
Superb.
Glad I am not alone tonight.
Labour is the value bet here.
I’ve positioned so that I’m modestly in the money if Labour comes first or second; given the depths of government unpopularity, going all in on their coming first seemed too bold. Kudos to others, if it comes off.
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Different with formal presentations of course, but then we do the same when we avoid 'ain't' and 'innit' when obliged to talk proper.
If you go onto "the other site" they have a forum called "Defections" listing all defections - this month there has been 25 defections from other parties to Reform.
https://x.com/nonregemesse/status/1994946450036519088
Apparently there is an individual who everyone claims knows *everything*.
Chief Superintendent Savage of the Yard announced - “our pursuit of the individual ‘Fuck’ will be relentless. Our enquiries will centre on how he obtains his information.”
Languages evolve as they always have done.
And that correct speech was always class based. Designed to help you communicate with your social and economic peers.
You couldn't ever converse with a docker in Marseille with the French you learned at school.
Any more than a German could with an Ashington miner with their English.
The problem is that senior managers have no idea of the difference between toxic stupidity and skill. So bullshit artists flood into such areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subject–object–verb_word_order
I meant to say subject object verb.
Whoops.
Nevertheless. Our word order isn't the most common.
He was obsessed with straw polls.
Glad I am not alone tonight.
Labour is the value bet here.
Consider armed police - they have to make a split second decision that is the difference between saving a life and a murder charge. That's what real courage looks like.
So all the cool languages use SVO.
Someone monumentally stupid has misunderstood data protection laws.
Someone monumentally incompetent fucked up and blaming data protection laws was the best excuse they could think of.
In either case, opponents of data protection laws will lap it up.
FAITH FIRST: DNI Tulsi Gabbard shares a photo of President Trump’s Cabinet praying before the State of the Union:
“We joined together in prayer, giving all thanks and praise to God, and praying for the clarity and strength to listen to Him, serve Him, and do His will.”
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxyqVqxASmcOE0ZoNtjMKwTAENbmmsTv6R
Vote-2012 seems to become the replacement
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19858/gorton-denton
To start with, data protection would be about not disclosing information outside those needing and cleared for the information.
Police officers investigating violent crime would be automatically included in the group who can see evidence relating to other violent crimes.
NEW THREAD
Take the sentence, "I ran home", or in German, "Ich bin nach Hause gelaufen". While in English you might reconsider the destination halfway through, replacing "home" with "to my place", in German you might reconsider how you got there, replacing "gelaufen" with "gefahren" to say "I drove home".
A company you buy things from is allowed to link the data from two separate orders you make from them, for example.
As a general point, could we just say that something is bullshit when it is bullshit?
If you want a list of all the safeguards that have been put forward and rejected, this can be done.
Mark Reckless
@MarkReckless
Three and a half hours to go for @GoodwinMJ in Gorton and Denton
https://x.com/MarkReckless/status/2027089321702928833
That was with one of the lowest turnouts in the country, and a massive majority for Labour.
It doesn't just happen in politics though. Happens in most sports and betting markets. I used to make a living identifying such 'irrationalities', partly in politics but also National Hunt racing. You might think that the latter would offer few such opportunities. You would be wrong. But you do have to be unsentimental, and know your form.
Political betting can also be skewed by candidates betting heavily on themselves to try to influence the outcome. Clement Freud was famous for doing this successfully, dropping his odds and eventually winning the seat. He later became infamous for more unsavory things, but for a while he was known for his gambling.
https://x.com/Zero_4/status/2027041143867814195
https://x.com/Saffiya_Khan1/status/2027014696176619854/photo/1