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edited February 24 in General
If this poll is correct then the value is with Labour – politicalbetting.com

On Monday I flagged up the potential value in backing Labour in the Gorton & Denton by-election and this poll from Opinium reinforces that view and I think the 6s still represents value on what is essentially a three horse race.

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  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,039
    First. It doesn't matter if it's true, I'll shout it anyway.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,039
    Pro_Rata said:

    First. It doesn't matter if it's true, I'll shout it anyway.

    The power of the bar chart!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,806
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    First. It doesn't matter if it's true, I'll shout it anyway.

    The power of the bar chart!
    @Pro_Rata - winning here?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,375
    Best bar chart ever, bar none.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,561
    @judiciarydems.senate.gov‬

    A whistleblower just disclosed that FBI experts were delayed by AT LEAST A DAY in deploying to investigate Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

    Why?

    There was an FBI plane and pilot shortage… because Kash Patel was using them for personal flights.

    https://bsky.app/profile/judiciarydems.senate.gov/post/3mfmwt2mn4s2w
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,561
    @Rep_Walkinshaw

    Hours before SOTU, the public is learning that DOJ appears to have withheld and removed Epstein-file records tied to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor.

    This is a Watergate-level scandal unfolding in real time.

    https://x.com/Rep_Walkinshaw/status/2026360789754388866?s=20
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318
    TSE levels of modesty prevents me from mentioning that I have been banging on about Lab being value for the last two weeks.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318
    Scott_xP said:

    @Rep_Walkinshaw

    Hours before SOTU, the public is learning that DOJ appears to have withheld and removed Epstein-file records tied to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor.

    This is a Watergate-level scandal unfolding in real time.

    https://x.com/Rep_Walkinshaw/status/2026360789754388866?s=20

    Time for a war then.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    Seriously tight esp given MoE.

    -> What might make me think Labour will outperform, if it’s this close one assumes they started with better postal vote data and pledges
    -> What might make me think Greens might outperform perform, sample quality of Muslim voters was very poor in GE2024 meaning extent of anti Lab backlash was missed
    - > What might make think Reform might outperform, this is a high Tory vote considering you’d expect they’d be squeezed and lose their deposit.

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2026408463367287014
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,131
    So Green has the edge when determination to vote is factored in.

    That's the metric I'd be going with.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,375
    edited February 24
    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,444
    edited February 24
    Scott_xP said:

    @Rep_Walkinshaw

    Hours before SOTU, the public is learning that DOJ appears to have withheld and removed Epstein-file records tied to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor.

    This is a Watergate-level scandal unfolding in real time.

    https://x.com/Rep_Walkinshaw/status/2026360789754388866?s=20

    I realise this is hardly the issue but...
    What the f does "in real time" add to that sentence?
    "This is a Watergate level scandal" does just fine.
    And didn't Watergate unfold in real time too?

    Honestly.
  • dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rep_Walkinshaw

    Hours before SOTU, the public is learning that DOJ appears to have withheld and removed Epstein-file records tied to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor.

    This is a Watergate-level scandal unfolding in real time.

    https://x.com/Rep_Walkinshaw/status/2026360789754388866?s=20

    I realise this is hardly the issue but...
    What the f does "in real time" add to that sentence?
    This is a Watergate level scandal does just fine.
    And didn't Watergate unfold in real time too?

    Honestly.
    No, Watergate unfolded a fair while afterwards.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318
    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,379
    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,444

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rep_Walkinshaw

    Hours before SOTU, the public is learning that DOJ appears to have withheld and removed Epstein-file records tied to allegations that President Trump sexually abused a minor.

    This is a Watergate-level scandal unfolding in real time.

    https://x.com/Rep_Walkinshaw/status/2026360789754388866?s=20

    I realise this is hardly the issue but...
    What the f does "in real time" add to that sentence?
    This is a Watergate level scandal does just fine.
    And didn't Watergate unfold in real time too?

    Honestly.
    No, Watergate unfolded a fair while afterwards.
    A fair while afterwards is just as real a time.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,801
    edited February 24
    If the Lib Dems were in the position Reform or Greens were in this election, I'd be confident they'd win. By-election specialists once they're in the running.

    I think Greens are the most likely to win but they're value to lay right now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318
    Ratters said:

    If the Lib Dems were in the position Reform or Greens were in this election, I'd be confident they'd win. By-election specialists once they're in the running.

    I think Greens are the most likely to win but they're value to lay right now.

    Do they have the GOTV skills or the canvass data going back decades?

    No.

    Maybe that wont matter but my wallet says it will.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,306
    That Labour barchart makes even a LD Focus barchart look objective, it really is a three horse race
    .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,306
    edited February 24

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,025
    For the time I can ever remember the Daily Mail is really going after the Greens on its front page .

  • HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    Nothing wrong with the odd vegan sausage roll, HYUFD!

    [disclaimer - I'm actually a vegetarian, not a vegan!]
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    Taz said:

    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61

    No. I have been saying not true for a few days. It’s not a u-turn by the UK government, for UK media got the story of Starmer saying no from State side, not this side of the pond. Starmer was at all times completely on board with military action hitting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme, just a question of timing during talks and clarity of mission statement allies can share with their countries. Trump had already given up the idea of regime change by the time this story emerged.

    I’m not expecting any mention of Chagos in Trumps State of the Union address, but I am expecting Trump to “call out” Starmer and the Labour Government on washing their hands standing up to China on imprisoning of Jimmy Lai and Hong Kong Democracy leaders.
    And I predict Kemi will also echo this point of Trumps at PMQs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,992
    Just reading the NASA report on the Boeing Starliner flight to ISS

    "Deorbit Capability Fault Tolerance - a. The propulsion system lacked required two-fault tolerance for deorbit burns, which was a design flaw present since early development but not identified until CFT pre-launch."

    So, Boeing designed a spacecraft. The design was reviewed multiple times by them and NASA. But they failed to notice this until just before the third, crewed flight. After the two previous flights had had massive problems. And having noticed this problem, they flew anyway.

    As the great philosopher said "What the shitsnacks?"
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,992
    edited February 24
    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    Venison sausage rolls? Awesome idea. I must make some.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,375
    Listening to white voters in Denton and Gorton on Newsnight is a depressing experience.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,039
    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,222
    Scott_xP said:

    @judiciarydems.senate.gov‬

    A whistleblower just disclosed that FBI experts were delayed by AT LEAST A DAY in deploying to investigate Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

    Why?

    There was an FBI plane and pilot shortage… because Kash Patel was using them for personal flights.

    https://bsky.app/profile/judiciarydems.senate.gov/post/3mfmwt2mn4s2w

    This feels like a load of arse. The FBI has over 100 aircraft.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    DoctorG said:

    Labour have come in quite sharply in the betting, down to 5.9 on betfair, 4/1 on most bookies

    Must take my hat off to Bodo Glimt tonight, a 2-1 win at the San Siro sees them into the Champions league last 16. They didn't even win the Norwegian league in 2025

    Anyone looked at the top of The Conference recently…
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,597
    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    Nothing like a good stereotype :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,306
    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    edited February 24
    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    You saying UK politics had progressed from “free owls” to “free tantric sex”?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,306
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318
    Andy_JS said:

    Listening to white voters in Denton and Gorton on Newsnight is a depressing experience.

    Pol prof says later that it is massively deprived.

    And yet Labour are struggling to win. This is pure Lab territory.

    Why has the party lost its roots so completely?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,129
    Labour are 6 now but were 12 three days ago. Why they got as long as that I do not know.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @judiciarydems.senate.gov‬

    A whistleblower just disclosed that FBI experts were delayed by AT LEAST A DAY in deploying to investigate Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

    Why?

    There was an FBI plane and pilot shortage… because Kash Patel was using them for personal flights.

    https://bsky.app/profile/judiciarydems.senate.gov/post/3mfmwt2mn4s2w

    This feels like a load of arse. The FBI has over 100 aircraft.
    How many are airworthy?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318
    kinabalu said:

    Labour are 6 now but were 12 three days ago. Why they got as long as that I do not know.

    Reform and Green froth from the media.


  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,756
    If Trump starts a war with Iran before Thursday it might affect the result.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,318

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Didn't Sting invent it?

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,487

    If Trump starts a war with Iran before Thursday it might affect the result.

    With Modi in Israel tomorrow I think it’s unlikely
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 812

    Taz said:

    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61

    No. I have been saying not true for a few days. It’s not a u-turn by the UK government, for UK media got the story of Starmer saying no from State side, not this side of the pond. Starmer was at all times completely on board with military action hitting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme, just a question of timing during talks and clarity of mission statement allies can share with their countries. Trump had already given up the idea of regime change by the time this story emerged.

    I’m not expecting any mention of Chagos in Trumps State of the Union address, but I am expecting Trump to “call out” Starmer and the Labour Government on washing their hands standing up to China on imprisoning of Jimmy Lai and Hong Kong Democracy leaders.
    And I predict Kemi will also echo this point of Trumps at PMQs.
    Lakenheath is home to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing

    Like nearby Mildenhall there are no RAF personnel on the ground they are in reality USAF bases

    Hence my regular calls for them to be closed down..

    Starmer has steadfastly refudlsed, so far, for the US to use the RAF base at Fairford and the Chagos base both of which have runways suitable to the larger US transport planes.

    It would be logistically near impossible under current protocols to ban the USAF from using Mildenhall and Lakenheath and would probably see the end of NATO as the minimum US retaliation.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,052

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Long associated with Sting and Trudie Styler, but I loved that he corrected it to ‘frantic’…
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 812
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61

    No. I have been saying not true for a few days. It’s not a u-turn by the UK government, for UK media got the story of Starmer saying no from State side, not this side of the pond. Starmer was at all times completely on board with military action hitting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme, just a question of timing during talks and clarity of mission statement allies can share with their countries. Trump had already given up the idea of regime change by the time this story emerged.

    I’m not expecting any mention of Chagos in Trumps State of the Union address, but I am expecting Trump to “call out” Starmer and the Labour Government on washing their hands standing up to China on imprisoning of Jimmy Lai and Hong Kong Democracy leaders.
    And I predict Kemi will also echo this point of Trumps at PMQs.
    Lakenheath is home to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing

    Like nearby Mildenhall there are no RAF personnel on the ground they are in reality USAF bases

    Hence my regular calls for them to be closed down..

    Starmer has steadfastly refudlsed, so far, for the US to use the RAF base at Fairford and the Chagos base both of which have runways suitable to the larger US transport planes.

    It would be logistically near impossible under current protocols to ban the USAF from using Mildenhall and Lakenheath and would probably see the end of NATO as the minimum US retaliation.
    If Badenoch backs Trump it will be another stupid own goal that the electorate will not like nor support.
  • ScarpiaScarpia Posts: 91
    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    @HYFUD - Based on personal field research with Greenie people? Please tell us more!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    The Metro reports a huge blow for the greatest Lawyer on earth.

    Even though Step Moms are played by actresses, Labour is going to ban such filthy movies.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,375

    If Trump starts a war with Iran before Thursday it might affect the result.

    I think that's unlikely.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,756
    edited February 24

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    If I recall the witterings of that noted philosopher Sting of the Toon correctly, exercises involving the muscles in the groin and pelvic regions can strengthen them to a degree that makes sex longer lasting and more arousing. This is from the place in my head where I file odd stuff: I did not Google/ai it and I apologise if I got it wrong.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,306

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Ask Sting and Trudie Styler
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,951
    edited February 24
    I’ve just placed £50 on Labour at 6/1 (7.0) with MGM. Shaping up as a too close to call 3 horse race so 6/1 looks value to me. 🤞
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61

    No. I have been saying not true for a few days. It’s not a u-turn by the UK government, for UK media got the story of Starmer saying no from State side, not this side of the pond. Starmer was at all times completely on board with military action hitting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme, just a question of timing during talks and clarity of mission statement allies can share with their countries. Trump had already given up the idea of regime change by the time this story emerged.

    I’m not expecting any mention of Chagos in Trumps State of the Union address, but I am expecting Trump to “call out” Starmer and the Labour Government on washing their hands standing up to China on imprisoning of Jimmy Lai and Hong Kong Democracy leaders.
    And I predict Kemi will also echo this point of Trumps at PMQs.
    Lakenheath is home to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing

    Like nearby Mildenhall there are no RAF personnel on the ground they are in reality USAF bases

    Hence my regular calls for them to be closed down..

    Starmer has steadfastly refudlsed, so far, for the US to use the RAF base at Fairford and the Chagos base both of which have runways suitable to the larger US transport planes.

    It would be logistically near impossible under current protocols to ban the USAF from using Mildenhall and Lakenheath and would probably see the end of NATO as the minimum US retaliation.
    If Badenoch backs Trump it will be another stupid own goal that the electorate will not like nor support.
    I think you have completely missed the key point.

    Starmer is backing Trump in this war. At no point wasn’t he.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,951

    DoctorG said:

    Labour have come in quite sharply in the betting, down to 5.9 on betfair, 4/1 on most bookies

    Must take my hat off to Bodo Glimt tonight, a 2-1 win at the San Siro sees them into the Champions league last 16. They didn't even win the Norwegian league in 2025

    Anyone looked at the top of The Conference recently…
    Gone pear shaped?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    stjohn said:

    I’ve just placed £50 on Labour at 6/1 (7.0) with MGM. Shaping up as a too close to call 3 horse race so 6/1 looks value to me. 🤞

    Labour finish distant third - according to round up of reports from fact finding media visits.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,756
    If anybody is interested, John Wick 3 is on Film4. I think it's the one with the best fight scenes, but happy to be contradicted.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Ask Sting and Trudie Styler
    I had to look them up. Septuagenarian actress and a song writer.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,025
    At the last election the turnout in Gorton and Denton was only 47% .

    Very hard to know what it will be on Thursday .
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,951
    Last price matched on Betfair

    Reform 1.73
    Labour 4.3
    Greens 5.3

    Despite what Moon Rabbit says, (who may well be proven right in the end), currently punters see it as a 3 horse race with Labour now the slightly better option to prevent Reform winning.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,136
    I'm going to go with Reform on this one, why not?

    I've made fairly paltry bets, for fairly paltry winnings, on both Labour and Reform.

    Reform have had the absolute luck of the Gods in the way the Greens and Labour remain level pegging with neither conceding. Yes Labour have great GOTV, and the bulk of the Muslim vote sewn up, but there's no real enthusiasm for them. Greens have enthusiasm, but if they haven't been canvassing they have no idea where their waivering voters are.

    Reform have enthusiasm and lots of volunteers, they have been doing a lot of canvassing, and tactical voting has basically been eliminated as a factor.

    It's been a fun one to observe either way.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,087
    edited February 24
    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 812

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61

    No. I have been saying not true for a few days. It’s not a u-turn by the UK government, for UK media got the story of Starmer saying no from State side, not this side of the pond. Starmer was at all times completely on board with military action hitting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme, just a question of timing during talks and clarity of mission statement allies can share with their countries. Trump had already given up the idea of regime change by the time this story emerged.

    I’m not expecting any mention of Chagos in Trumps State of the Union address, but I am expecting Trump to “call out” Starmer and the Labour Government on washing their hands standing up to China on imprisoning of Jimmy Lai and Hong Kong Democracy leaders.
    And I predict Kemi will also echo this point of Trumps at PMQs.
    Lakenheath is home to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing

    Like nearby Mildenhall there are no RAF personnel on the ground they are in reality USAF bases

    Hence my regular calls for them to be closed down..

    Starmer has steadfastly refudlsed, so far, for the US to use the RAF base at Fairford and the Chagos base both of which have runways suitable to the larger US transport planes.

    It would be logistically near impossible under current protocols to ban the USAF from using Mildenhall and Lakenheath and would probably see the end of NATO as the minimum US retaliation.
    If Badenoch backs Trump it will be another stupid own goal that the electorate will not like nor support.
    I think you have completely missed the key point.

    Starmer is backing Trump in this war. At no point wasn’t he.
    He's told him he can't use Fairford or Chagos

    He has no control over Mildenhall or Lakenheath
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,387
    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    He claims he had arranged to go to the station. The police claim he was going to flee the country:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05vey47yddo

    "Mandelson's lawyers say he was arrested over 'baseless' claim he was a flight risk"
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,136
    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    It seems what the police really wanted to do was just be seen to be arresting Mandy after questions about their conduct in arresting Andy but not Mandy.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,375
    edited February 24
    Maybe the Royal Family could offer to help to pay off some of the unfair student debts we keep reading about.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,451
    Yet more US military hardware crossing the Atlantic this evening. Its not a delivery of a Wendy's order, thats for sure.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    edited 12:15AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61

    No. I have been saying not true for a few days. It’s not a u-turn by the UK government, for UK media got the story of Starmer saying no from State side, not this side of the pond. Starmer was at all times completely on board with military action hitting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme, just a question of timing during talks and clarity of mission statement allies can share with their countries. Trump had already given up the idea of regime change by the time this story emerged.

    I’m not expecting any mention of Chagos in Trumps State of the Union address, but I am expecting Trump to “call out” Starmer and the Labour Government on washing their hands standing up to China on imprisoning of Jimmy Lai and Hong Kong Democracy leaders.
    And I predict Kemi will also echo this point of Trumps at PMQs.
    Lakenheath is home to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing

    Like nearby Mildenhall there are no RAF personnel on the ground they are in reality USAF bases

    Hence my regular calls for them to be closed down..

    Starmer has steadfastly refudlsed, so far, for the US to use the RAF base at Fairford and the Chagos base both of which have runways suitable to the larger US transport planes.

    It would be logistically near impossible under current protocols to ban the USAF from using Mildenhall and Lakenheath and would probably see the end of NATO as the minimum US retaliation.
    If Badenoch backs Trump it will be another stupid own goal that the electorate will not like nor support.
    I think you have completely missed the key point.

    Starmer is backing Trump in this war. At no point wasn’t he.
    He's told him he can't use Fairford or Chagos

    He has no control over Mildenhall or Lakenheath
    No. He hasn’t told him he can’t use Fairford or Chagos. How do you know he has. Downing Street hadn’t told you at any point. So where did you get it from?

    One of the weaknesses of our social media news age, so many outlets repeat news that come from one single source “of truth.” You find it most common in sport and football coverage. On continent big football clubs have cozy relationships with local reporters, something is printed about a player or manager, target of the club, and all the English media lap it up, everyone repeats it, discussion programmes discuss it. It’s absolutely everywhere. But it’s utterly made up. Though, with an original purpose behind it.

    Same here with this story. What you are taking as a position of Starmer and his government, actually came to UK media from the US, whilst discussions were still going on between the countries, as a White House pressuring tactic.
    What has UK government said about it that supports the idea of final position taken? Did you notice what the Downing Street briefing had to say about it? Who else has a separate source, other than what came from the Times and their source?

    If you can’t answer these questions key to your opinion, why are you so certain of your opinion?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    edited 12:24AM

    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    It seems what the police really wanted to do was just be seen to be arresting Mandy after questions about their conduct in arresting Andy but not Mandy.
    Pressured into doing something?

    I think the Epstein Files suggests insider trading by Epstein with Mandy’s help, so something extremely serious to properly investigate. I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk, just normal way of doing business.

    Getting arrested isn’t really that serious. Charges would be serious. Charges suggest quite a lot of evidence, and prison if proven guilty.

    I’m looking forward to the Trial of Peter Mandelson. But I don’t think it will happen. I’m expecting “not enough evidence, case in cold storage.”
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,983
    viewcode said:

    If anybody is interested, John Wick 3 is on Film4. I think it's the one with the best fight scenes, but happy to be contradicted.

    "Yeah... not really!"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,983

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Ask Sting and Trudie Styler
    I had to look them up. Septuagenarian actress and a song writer.
    You've never heard of Sting???
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,368

    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    It seems what the police really wanted to do was just be seen to be arresting Mandy after questions about their conduct in arresting Andy but not Mandy.
    Pressured into doing something?

    I think the Epstein Files suggests insider trading by Epstein with Mandy’s help, so something extremely serious to properly investigate. I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk, just normal way of doing business.

    Getting arrested isn’t really that serious. Charges would be serious. It wouks suggest quite a lot of evidence, and prison if proven guilty.

    I’m looking forward to the Trial of Peter Mandelson. But I don’t think it will happen.
    Reportedly Epstein was less of a financial guru / insider dealer and more of an embezzler
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    edited 12:32AM

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Ask Sting and Trudie Styler
    I had to look them up. Septuagenarian actress and a song writer.
    You've never heard of Sting???
    When I looked them up I realised he is a singer I heard of. He had hits way before my time!

    Nor did he invent tantric sex. Where’s PB getting that rubbish from? Tantric is five thousand years old. That’s even older than Sting and his wife. Nor Tantric sex all about yab yum, imo, it’s about merging hearts and achieving the highest levels of trantra. To me, focusing into each others eyes whilst fingering each other is tantric. I expect you can tell us all about the dakini. Go for it Sunil!

    Better mark this as off topic.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,145
    edited 12:50AM
    Dopermean said:

    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    It seems what the police really wanted to do was just be seen to be arresting Mandy after questions about their conduct in arresting Andy but not Mandy.
    Pressured into doing something?

    I think the Epstein Files suggests insider trading by Epstein with Mandy’s help, so something extremely serious to properly investigate. I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk, just normal way of doing business.

    Getting arrested isn’t really that serious. Charges would be serious. It wouks suggest quite a lot of evidence, and prison if proven guilty.

    I’m looking forward to the Trial of Peter Mandelson. But I don’t think it will happen.
    Reportedly Epstein was less of a financial guru / insider dealer and more of an embezzler
    He was flipping everything.

    Obviously PB owners and admins will know to what degree we can discuss such things here, that’s just not in the papers or other news media, but which security agency do we think Epstein was closest too? When Goldfinger mixes a dry Martini, not stirred, for 007, does Bond have to declare that or is it a perk of the job?

    Much is made of Epstein’s “conviction” that made him convicted paedophile, he was convicted of a charge soliciting a minor for prostitution and procuring a child for prostitution. He pleaded guilty to these state charges as part of a plea deal, which required him to register as a sex offender and serve 13 months in county jail with work release - in reality he was placed in a separate housing unit, with Work Release allowed to leave the jail for up to 12 hours a day, six days a week, to work at his private office. he didn’t even really go to jail.
    Someone or something pulled strings.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,267

    The Metro reports a huge blow for the greatest Lawyer on earth.

    Even though Step Moms are played by actresses, Labour is going to ban such filthy movies.

    Or not. I thought it was (see last thread) but the Metro says not yet:-

    ‘Step-family’ content is not currently included in the legislation, but Alex [Alex Davies-Jones is Minister for Victims and Violence Against Women and Girls] says the Government will be conducting a ‘broader review [around extreme pornography] and looking at what more needs to be done’ in future.
    https://metro.co.uk/2026/02/24/three-horrific-types-porn-made-illegal-uk-27066635/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,112
    So who had two hours for Trump’s SotU speech?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,806
    Sandpit said:

    So who had two hours for Trump’s SotU speech?

    Not many. Most of us probably thought he’d say everything three times and go on for around four.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,571
    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    All of that, except the tantric sex.

    Far too interesting for them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,571
    HYUFD said:
    Whatever it is it's great she's finally trying to at least focus on and talk about them more.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,379
    Andy_JS said:

    Listening to white voters in Denton and Gorton on Newsnight is a depressing experience.

    Well nowadays Newsnight is a depressing experience. Victoria Derbyshire deserves better.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,267
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Listening to white voters in Denton and Gorton on Newsnight is a depressing experience.

    Well nowadays Newsnight is a depressing experience. Victoria Derbyshire deserves better.
    Yes, BBC cuts should have only affected other people's programmes. More on the way!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 812

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Thought SKS was standing up to Trump and backing the Mullahs ?

    “Eleven of the twelve F-22 Raptors that departed earlier today from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, England have landed at Ovda Airbase in the Negev Desert of Southern Israel, joining the ongoing buildup by the U.S. Air Force at bases across the Middle East. One of the F-22s was forced to return to RAF Lakenheath shortly after takeoff due to a suspected fuel leak, though it will likely make the trip to Israel by Friday“

    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2026374941075980687?s=61

    No. I have been saying not true for a few days. It’s not a u-turn by the UK government, for UK media got the story of Starmer saying no from State side, not this side of the pond. Starmer was at all times completely on board with military action hitting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme, just a question of timing during talks and clarity of mission statement allies can share with their countries. Trump had already given up the idea of regime change by the time this story emerged.

    I’m not expecting any mention of Chagos in Trumps State of the Union address, but I am expecting Trump to “call out” Starmer and the Labour Government on washing their hands standing up to China on imprisoning of Jimmy Lai and Hong Kong Democracy leaders.
    And I predict Kemi will also echo this point of Trumps at PMQs.
    Lakenheath is home to the USAF 48th Fighter Wing

    Like nearby Mildenhall there are no RAF personnel on the ground they are in reality USAF bases

    Hence my regular calls for them to be closed down..

    Starmer has steadfastly refudlsed, so far, for the US to use the RAF base at Fairford and the Chagos base both of which have runways suitable to the larger US transport planes.

    It would be logistically near impossible under current protocols to ban the USAF from using Mildenhall and Lakenheath and would probably see the end of NATO as the minimum US retaliation.
    If Badenoch backs Trump it will be another stupid own goal that the electorate will not like nor support.
    I think you have completely missed the key point.

    Starmer is backing Trump in this war. At no point wasn’t he.
    He's told him he can't use Fairford or Chagos

    He has no control over Mildenhall or Lakenheath
    No. He hasn’t told him he can’t use Fairford or Chagos. How do you know he has. Downing Street hadn’t told you at any point. So where did you get it from?

    One of the weaknesses of our social media news age, so many outlets repeat news that come from one single source “of truth.” You find it most common in sport and football coverage. On continent big football clubs have cozy relationships with local reporters, something is printed about a player or manager, target of the club, and all the English media lap it up, everyone repeats it, discussion programmes discuss it. It’s absolutely everywhere. But it’s utterly made up. Though, with an original purpose behind it.

    Same here with this story. What you are taking as a position of Starmer and his government, actually came to UK media from the US, whilst discussions were still going on between the countries, as a White House pressuring tactic.
    What has UK government said about it that supports the idea of final position taken? Did you notice what the Downing Street briefing had to say about it? Who else has a separate source, other than what came from the Times and their source?

    If you can’t answer these questions key to your opinion, why are you so certain of your opinion?
    So you suggest that when Sky, BBC, C4, Guardian, Ind, Times, Mail and even GB News report a fact with corroborative comments from independent journalists, they are wrong and you're right.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 812

    HYUFD said:
    Whatever it is it's great she's finally trying to at least focus on and talk about them more.
    Jeez, that ramp has gone beyond the vertical, the 5 new under 40 Tories have fallen off the
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,571
    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Whatever it is it's great she's finally trying to at least focus on and talk about them more.
    Jeez, that ramp has gone beyond the vertical, the 5 new under 40 Tories have fallen off the
    Bore off, you tedious partisan troll.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,571
    Dopermean said:

    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    It seems what the police really wanted to do was just be seen to be arresting Mandy after questions about their conduct in arresting Andy but not Mandy.
    Pressured into doing something?

    I think the Epstein Files suggests insider trading by Epstein with Mandy’s help, so something extremely serious to properly investigate. I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk, just normal way of doing business.

    Getting arrested isn’t really that serious. Charges would be serious. It wouks suggest quite a lot of evidence, and prison if proven guilty.

    I’m looking forward to the Trial of Peter Mandelson. But I don’t think it will happen.
    Reportedly Epstein was less of a financial guru / insider dealer and more of an embezzler
    And probably a blackmailer too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,571

    Dopermean said:

    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    It seems what the police really wanted to do was just be seen to be arresting Mandy after questions about their conduct in arresting Andy but not Mandy.
    Pressured into doing something?

    I think the Epstein Files suggests insider trading by Epstein with Mandy’s help, so something extremely serious to properly investigate. I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk, just normal way of doing business.

    Getting arrested isn’t really that serious. Charges would be serious. It wouks suggest quite a lot of evidence, and prison if proven guilty.

    I’m looking forward to the Trial of Peter Mandelson. But I don’t think it will happen.
    Reportedly Epstein was less of a financial guru / insider dealer and more of an embezzler
    He was flipping everything.


    Someone or something pulled strings.
    Sting?
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,379

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Listening to white voters in Denton and Gorton on Newsnight is a depressing experience.

    Well nowadays Newsnight is a depressing experience. Victoria Derbyshire deserves better.
    Yes, BBC cuts should have only affected other people's programmes. More on the way!
    She should be doing the Sunday morning slot. She’s good.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,236
    A Hitchens before his time.....

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kfmWNitcTlE
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,236


    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl
    Seriously tight esp given MoE.

    -> What might make me think Labour will outperform, if it’s this close one assumes they started with better postal vote data and pledges
    -> What might make me think Greens might outperform perform, sample quality of Muslim voters was very poor in GE2024 meaning extent of anti Lab backlash was missed
    - > What might make think Reform might outperform, this is a high Tory vote considering you’d expect they’d be squeezed and lose their deposit.

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2026408463367287014

    There you have it from the pollster who gets more airtime than all the others put together.

    Memo to self 'Don't forget to put a line through the two that didn't come off'
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,444
    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    And yet folk wonder why people vote for them.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,584

    The Metro reports a huge blow for the greatest Lawyer on earth.

    Even though Step Moms are played by actresses, Labour is going to ban such filthy movies.

    Or not. I thought it was (see last thread) but the Metro says not yet:-

    ‘Step-family’ content is not currently included in the legislation, but Alex [Alex Davies-Jones is Minister for Victims and Violence Against Women and Girls] says the Government will be conducting a ‘broader review [around extreme pornography] and looking at what more needs to be done’ in future.
    https://metro.co.uk/2026/02/24/three-horrific-types-porn-made-illegal-uk-27066635/
    It’s funny how Disney and Pornhub have such divergent views about step-mothers.

    I wonder if they’ll end up banning fanfiction sites, given the popularity of incest fics.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,112
    Did we cover the Green by-election video entirely in Urdu, and from the visuals looking more than somewhat negative in nature?

    https://x.com/guidofawkes/status/2025936091652501524

    They do appear to have gone from the environmentalist party to appealing to a rather sectarian audience.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,444

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Ask Sting and Trudie Styler
    I had to look them up. Septuagenarian actress and a song writer.
    You've never heard of Sting???
    When I looked them up I realised he is a singer I heard of. He had hits way before my time!

    Nor did he invent tantric sex. Where’s PB getting that rubbish from? Tantric is five thousand years old. That’s even older than Sting and his wife. Nor Tantric sex all about yab yum, imo, it’s about merging hearts and achieving the highest levels of trantra. To me, focusing into each others eyes whilst fingering each other is tantric. I expect you can tell us all about the dakini. Go for it Sunil!

    Better mark this as off topic.

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    On the other hand, the offer here may mean that 4 million Green canvassers turn up on Thursday.
    They may turn up, whether they bother to go out and canvass though is another matter
    You said yourself, an evening of tantric sex with a fellow canvasser - ideal way of meeting new people - they owe the candidate one out of canvass?

    Without googling can you explain to bewildered PB what TANTRIC SEX is?

    PS I’ll give you a clue 🧘‍♀️ 🌷 🐍
    Ask Sting and Trudie Styler
    I had to look them up. Septuagenarian actress and a song writer.
    You've never heard of Sting???
    When I looked them up I realised he is a singer I heard of. He had hits way before my time!

    Nor did he invent tantric sex. Where’s PB getting that rubbish from? Tantric is five thousand years old. That’s even older than Sting and his wife. Nor Tantric sex all about yab yum, imo, it’s about merging hearts and achieving the highest levels of trantra. To me, focusing into each others eyes whilst fingering each other is tantric. I expect you can tell us all about the dakini. Go for it Sunil!

    Better mark this as off topic.

    I practice and teach tantra.
    It's never once got me laid.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,285
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Owen Jones
    @owenjonesjourno
    ·
    46m
    The Greens are ahead with likely voters in Gorton and Denton.

    But this shows that the result will come down to whoever gets their vote out on Thursday.

    In other words, the Greens need a huge army of canvassers to win this.

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2026410235645088117

    Unfortunately for Owen most Green canvassers will probably get up at lunchtime. Then spend half the afternoon doped up out of their minds, then maybe do one hour's canvass before a stop for a vegan sausage roll and camomile tea before knocking off for an evening of tantric sex and meditation
    Nothing like a good stereotype :D
    He's only jealous, as am I.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,032

    Dopermean said:

    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "So the ‘Perp Walk’ has come to Britain – that’s not good
    In New York the police use publicity as a punishment. Such practices must not take hold here
    Theodore Dalrymple" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/so-the-perp-walk-has-come-to-britain-not-good/

    I wondered about this, and in fairness to the filth I understand from a freelance journalist friend that Mandy's house is well known to the Fourth Estate - he would have them round happily enough in better times. And once his arrest became likely a couple of weeks ago they camped outside in the hopes of exactly this scoop. I suppose they could have asked him to surrender quietly at the local police station, but no doubt the press are staking that out too in case.

    So I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk. More our ravenous press biting the hand that fed them so well for years.
    It seems what the police really wanted to do was just be seen to be arresting Mandy after questions about their conduct in arresting Andy but not Mandy.
    Pressured into doing something?

    I think the Epstein Files suggests insider trading by Epstein with Mandy’s help, so something extremely serious to properly investigate. I don't think it's really an example of a police-organised perp walk, just normal way of doing business.

    Getting arrested isn’t really that serious. Charges would be serious. It wouks suggest quite a lot of evidence, and prison if proven guilty.

    I’m looking forward to the Trial of Peter Mandelson. But I don’t think it will happen.
    Reportedly Epstein was less of a financial guru / insider dealer and more of an embezzler
    He was flipping everything.

    Obviously PB owners and admins will know to what degree we can discuss such things here, that’s just not in the papers or other news media, but which security agency do we think Epstein was closest too? When Goldfinger mixes a dry Martini, not stirred, for 007, does Bond have to declare that or is it a perk of the job?

    Much is made of Epstein’s “conviction” that made him convicted paedophile, he was convicted of a charge soliciting a minor for prostitution and procuring a child for prostitution. He pleaded guilty to these state charges as part of a plea deal, which required him to register as a sex offender and serve 13 months in county jail with work release - in reality he was placed in a separate housing unit, with Work Release allowed to leave the jail for up to 12 hours a day, six days a week, to work at his private office. he didn’t even really go to jail.
    Someone or something pulled strings.
    That someone was Alexander Acosta, later in Trump’s cabinet.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,267
    Sean_F said:

    The Metro reports a huge blow for the greatest Lawyer on earth.

    Even though Step Moms are played by actresses, Labour is going to ban such filthy movies.

    Or not. I thought it was (see last thread) but the Metro says not yet:-

    ‘Step-family’ content is not currently included in the legislation, but Alex [Alex Davies-Jones is Minister for Victims and Violence Against Women and Girls] says the Government will be conducting a ‘broader review [around extreme pornography] and looking at what more needs to be done’ in future.
    https://metro.co.uk/2026/02/24/three-horrific-types-porn-made-illegal-uk-27066635/
    It’s funny how Disney and Pornhub have such divergent views about step-mothers.

    I wonder if they’ll end up banning fanfiction sites, given the popularity of incest fics.
    Probably. Some fans could be 30; others 13.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,032
    Sandpit said:

    Trafalgar Square last night, thousands of people turned up to Ukraine vigil.

    https://x.com/allyc375/status/2026391292628910174

    Did Trump mention Ukraine in his State of the Union address?
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