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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Scott_xP said:

    @AllieRenison

    Christ Trump saying that justices on the Supreme Court have been swayed by foreign interests

    Ye gods

    I'm actually pleased by this, I thought he was going to actually tread a little more carefully given he does still need the Court from time to time.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,509
    Scott_xP said:

    @AllieRenison

    Christ Trump saying that justices on the Supreme Court have been swayed by foreign interests

    Ye gods

    Does that mean he will be pushing for impeachment of Supreme Court Justices?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,465
    What I hear from Trump is wah wah wah.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,309
    Scott_xP said:

    @AllieRenison

    Christ Trump saying that justices on the Supreme Court have been swayed by foreign interests

    Ye gods

    Trump makes it very hard to stand up to him: you will get assailed by him, and by his supporters in the media. You may well be subjected to threats of violence.

    Like @Cyclefree identified in her header, it just becomes easier to put your head down.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,689
    So Trump has the power to impose a trade embargo but not a tariff. The Supreme Court might have just caused a lot more instability.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    edited February 20
    On point sarcasm. (No idea who they are)

    Mike Bird: The drama and disagreement around the tariff decision makes me think the US should consider actually having a third branch of government to balance out these clashes between executive and the judiciary.

    Ranjit Singh: Maybe even split that 3rd branch into 2 separate houses with varying terms to balance out passions with temperance?

    Mike Bird: Sounds a bit complicated, but I won't rule it out as an idea.

    https://nitter.poast.org/Birdyword/status/2024876237441597478#m
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,219
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    I suspect that the chances of Trump launching military action against Iran have significantly increased.

    There's a silver lining to every cloud and if Trump can overthrow the Mullahs then at least some good will have happened from his awful time in office.
    Which country's army would you expect to march into Tehran?
    Roger said:

    I suspect that the chances of Trump launching military action against Iran have significantly increased.

    There's a silver lining to every cloud and if Trump can overthrow the Mullahs then at least some good will have happened from his awful time in office.
    Which country's army would you expect to march into Tehran?
    History suggests two likely origins - Byzantium or Rome.

    (For Byzantium's last crack at this one, see James Howard-Johnston's recent masterpiece of historical reconstruction: The Last Great War of Antiquity.)

    Surely the Rashidun Caliphate?
    Or the Mongols.

    Or even us...

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,112
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    🚨 Hungary blocks the final legislative steps of the €90 billion loan for Ukraine in response to the energy dispute between the two countries.

    Reminder: Budapest agreed to exempt itself from the loan through enhanced cooperation.

    Kyiv needs fresh assistance as early as April.

    It is my earnest wish that Orban should die in extreme agony.
    But perhaps start with losing the upcoming election.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    @aliceolilly.bsky.social‬

    “I’m allowed to destroy the country,” says the actual president of the United States in an actual press conference because nothing matters anymore
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,674
    Scott_xP said:

    @AllieRenison

    Christ Trump saying that justices on the Supreme Court have been swayed by foreign interests

    Ye gods

    In any rational or democratic country the 25th Amendment would be in operation tonight.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    🚨 Hungary blocks the final legislative steps of the €90 billion loan for Ukraine in response to the energy dispute between the two countries.

    Reminder: Budapest agreed to exempt itself from the loan through enhanced cooperation.

    Kyiv needs fresh assistance as early as April.

    It is my earnest wish that Orban should die in extreme agony.
    But perhaps start with losing the upcoming election.
    Losing is not always the issue with budding authoritarians, it is having them accept the loss.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,219

    Does anyone know anything useful about greyhound racing? Or more helpfully, know a good resource (e.g. book) for me to edumicate meself? Entertaining rather than dry preferred.

    The dog in trap 2 always wins.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    edited February 20
    Scott_xP said:

    @aliceolilly.bsky.social‬

    “I’m allowed to destroy the country,” says the actual president of the United States in an actual press conference because nothing matters anymore

    Even absolute monarchs have to show more restraint in public than Trump lest unofficial power channels cause them problems.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,751
    He sounds completely nuts.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,143
    edited February 20
    Reform PPB tonight, not seen it before. Slick but a bit wordy. Five spokesmen/women speaking from a lecturn from earlier in the week.

    Expect most people will just zone out.

    Modern PPBs are just so dull.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    Trump says Kavanaugh's "stock has gone way up" after his dissent and that he's "so proud of him today."

    Trump: "I would like to thank Justice Kavanaugh for, frankly, his genius and his great ability. Very proud of that appointment."
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,745
    glw said:

    He sounds completely nuts.

    “Sounds”?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364

    glw said:

    He sounds completely nuts.

    “Sounds”?
    Remember, we're not supposed to call out anything that sounds nuts because he won the election so it's popular, and/or it is not meant to be taken literally, except when it is and we should listen to him.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,485
    Reform are opponents. Greens are a threat.

    Labour needs to do everything possible grab votes back from Green.

    Tory activists enjoying their sli holidays.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    @JenniferJJacobs
    Trump: "Today, I will sign an order to impose a 10% global tariff under Section 122 over and above our normal tariffs already being charged, and we're also initiating several section 301, and other investigations to protect our country from unfair trading practices of other countries and companies."
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,030

    FPT @turbotubbs Re Horizon...

    That was no doubt a factor, Turbo, and I strongly suspect that back in pre-Horizon days a lot of pilfering went on. The Post Offices were pre-eminenty cash businesses and may well have been a soft touch for dishonest owners. The PO management clearly believed this, and when Horizon was introduced their reaction would have been a perfectly understandable 'gotcha'.

    That however was only one factor in a perfect storm of misapprehensions and misdeeds contributing to this appalling scandal.

    There were people at the time who warned that Horizon was not fit for purpose. And note that the previous system - Capture - is now being shown to be flawed and a number of prosecutions made using its material are being challenged.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,455
    edited February 20
    It's at a time like this you wonder just how close Trump has got to doing something nuts like invading Greenland. I know that people like to justify this stuff in retrospect when he backs down - "he was just trolling the liberals" - but watching this it's hard to shake the sense he might actually go for it. He did Maduro.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    @AllieRenison

    Trump sounds like he’s threatening not just to use alternative legal bases for his existing tariffs but to use IEEPA to full on cut off countries and foreign businesses abilities to trade with the US
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Taz said:

    Reform PPB tonight, not seen it before. Slick but a bit wordy. Five spokesmen/women speaking from a lecturn from earlier in the week.

    Expect most people will just zone out.

    Modern PPBs are just so dull.

    https://youtu.be/PPgS7p40ERg?si=pcY3KYr2JxtvXz8F&t=58
  • Interesting age splits in the poll:

    18-24: Green 40%, Ref 7%, Lab 18%, DK 2O%
    25-34: Green 34%, Ref 17%, Lab 18%, DK 15%
    35-44: Green 23%, Ref 9%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    45-54: Green 24%, Ref 22%, Lab 15%, DK 36%
    55-64: Green 15%, Ref 30%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    65-74: Green 6%, Ref 36%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    75+: Green 4%, Ref 22%, Lab 28%, DK 43%

    Makes me wonder if Greens are vulnerable to differential turnout as they are low with 65+ who are most likely to turn up
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,674
    Taz said:

    Reform PPB tonight, not seen it before. Slick but a bit wordy. Five spokesmen/women speaking from a lecturn from earlier in the week.

    Expect most people will just zone out.

    Modern PPBs are just so dull.

    Last good one was Boris's Love Actually pastiche.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,689
    Scott_xP said:

    @AllieRenison

    Trump sounds like he’s threatening not just to use alternative legal bases for his existing tariffs but to use IEEPA to full on cut off countries and foreign businesses abilities to trade with the US

    Maybe he'll threaten us with a national security trade embargo if we don't give permission to use Diego Garcia.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,751
    Eabhal said:

    It's at a time like this you wonder just how close Trump has got to doing something nuts like invading Greenland. I know that people like to justify this stuff in retrospect when he backs down - "he was just trolling the liberals" - but watching this it's hard to shake the sense he might actually go for it. He did Maduro.

    In his first term there were several people around him who thought that Trump was itching to use a nuclear weapon. I'm sure that still applies. If something on the scale of 9/11 happened he would go bezerk, and we'd be praying that Vance, Hegseth, Rubio and the Cabinet could stop him some how.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,143
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Reform PPB tonight, not seen it before. Slick but a bit wordy. Five spokesmen/women speaking from a lecturn from earlier in the week.

    Expect most people will just zone out.

    Modern PPBs are just so dull.

    https://youtu.be/PPgS7p40ERg?si=pcY3KYr2JxtvXz8F&t=58
    I have never seen that before.

    It’s magnificently awful. Love lt.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,727
    edited February 20
    Scott_xP said:

    @JakeSherman

    TRUMP IS UP .... On tariffs:

    The decision is "deeply disappointing and i'm ashamed of certain members of the court -- absolutely ashamed -- of not having the courage to do what's right for our country."

    Indeed.

    Thomas, Alito and the other twat are scum who will never do what's right for the US.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,979
    edited February 20
    64% of US voters disapprove of Trumps tariffs according to a recent CBS poll .
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,792
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    So we have no right to tell the US not to use it to bomb Iran?
    I understand it's all 'transactional' now. Everything is about 'making deals'.

    So what is the US offering?
    Like all mafia bosses they are offering not to break our legs and to protect us from the other mafia bosses if we make it worth their while.

    You didn't think a deal was going to be made on the basis of a level playing field now did you?
    And the other key feature - any agreement can be ditched at any time for any reason or for no reason by Donald Trump.

    He just likes saying 'make a deal' because it plays into the 'tough business shrewdie' brand he's somehow got established.
    In that sense Chagos plays a helpful role for Starmer this parliament:

    1) Trump thinks Starmer cares deeply about the Chagos deal and that scuppering it is some big stick to hurt him with.
    2) I doubt Starmer cares much about it, is just following "the rules" as he sees them
    3) Apart from a minority on the right, most of the public doesn't give a shit about an island they can't name or locate on a map that just hosts a US base and not much else

    If that can be the point that Trump uses to 'punish' Starmer over unrelated matters for the next 3 years, rather than something more consequential, that is actually quite helpful.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519

    @ericadyork
    @TaxFoundation
    estimates a 10% Section 122 tariff on the same goods currently subject to IEEPA tariffs would raise $36 billion in direct tariff payments ($27 billion in net revenue) over 150 days, at which point the tariff would require Congressional approval to continue.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Reform PPB tonight, not seen it before. Slick but a bit wordy. Five spokesmen/women speaking from a lecturn from earlier in the week.

    Expect most people will just zone out.

    Modern PPBs are just so dull.

    https://youtu.be/PPgS7p40ERg?si=pcY3KYr2JxtvXz8F&t=58
    I have never seen that before.

    It’s magnificently awful. Love lt.
    It has been stuck in my mind for more than a decade now. I've not voted Green yet, but if they release an remake I may consider it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,309
    Scott_xP said:


    @ericadyork
    @TaxFoundation
    estimates a 10% Section 122 tariff on the same goods currently subject to IEEPA tariffs would raise $36 billion in direct tariff payments ($27 billion in net revenue) over 150 days, at which point the tariff would require Congressional approval to continue.

    Trumps tariffs currently raise $25-30bn per month.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,143
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Reform PPB tonight, not seen it before. Slick but a bit wordy. Five spokesmen/women speaking from a lecturn from earlier in the week.

    Expect most people will just zone out.

    Modern PPBs are just so dull.

    https://youtu.be/PPgS7p40ERg?si=pcY3KYr2JxtvXz8F&t=58
    I have never seen that before.

    It’s magnificently awful. Love lt.
    It has been stuck in my mind for more than a decade now. I've not voted Green yet, but if they release an remake I may consider it.
    So would I 👍
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,549
    edited February 20
    ydoethur said:

    glw said:

    He sounds completely nuts.

    That's because he IS completely nuts!
    A deranged, babbling, fuckwit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,727
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    glw said:

    He sounds completely nuts.

    That's because he IS completely nuts!
    A deranged, babbling, fuckwit.
    That's a bit harsh, I don't babble.

    Oh, you mean Trump?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    @annmarie

    Trump says he will impose a 10% global tariff under Section 122

    * Section 122 has never been used before
    * The tariffs are capped at 15%
    * Can only be imposed for up to 150 days. Congressional approval is required to keep the duties in place for longer.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @aliceolilly.bsky.social‬

    “I’m allowed to destroy the country,” says the actual president of the United States in an actual press conference because nothing matters anymore

    Trump is not the problem.
    It’s the fact that nobody is stopping him.
    The Republicans mainly, and their glorious constitution?

    Comedy fucking gold.

    (Apart from the billions of deaths if they manage to push climate change through. )
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,465
    Eabhal said:

    It's at a time like this you wonder just how close Trump has got to doing something nuts like invading Greenland. I know that people like to justify this stuff in retrospect when he backs down - "he was just trolling the liberals" - but watching this it's hard to shake the sense he might actually go for it. He did Maduro.

    He might invade the Supreme Court
  • I assume with immediate effect all countries will have a 10% tariff on top of their existing tariffs

    I shudder at what this could entail

    Trump is out of control
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,179
    Peter Oborne dishes the dirt on McSweeny and to a lesser extent Starmer. It really isn't good enough. This is what we expect from the Tories.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo15Mu6QC5g

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364

    Eabhal said:

    It's at a time like this you wonder just how close Trump has got to doing something nuts like invading Greenland. I know that people like to justify this stuff in retrospect when he backs down - "he was just trolling the liberals" - but watching this it's hard to shake the sense he might actually go for it. He did Maduro.

    He might invade the Supreme Court
    Only these guys to stop them

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States_Police_Department
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,877
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    exactly a tax haven for bookies, get shot
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,465
    "It's not really relevant but it's all relevant" - couldn't have said it better Mr. President.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Scott_xP said:

    @annmarie

    Trump says he will impose a 10% global tariff under Section 122

    * Section 122 has never been used before
    * The tariffs are capped at 15%
    * Can only be imposed for up to 150 days. Congressional approval is required to keep the duties in place for longer.

    Perfect, gives them all a reason not to do anything for at least 150 days.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,877

    I assume with immediate effect all countries will have a 10% tariff on top of their existing tariffs

    I shudder at what this could entail

    Trump is out of control

    you just noticed G, where you been the last year
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,727

    Scott_xP said:

    @aliceolilly.bsky.social‬

    “I’m allowed to destroy the country,” says the actual president of the United States in an actual press conference because nothing matters anymore

    Trump is not the problem.
    It’s the fact that nobody is stopping him.
    The Republicans mainly, and their glorious constitution?

    Comedy fucking gold.

    (Apart from the billions of deaths if they manage to push climate change through. )
    They need to go for a long walk to sort out their constitutional problems.

    In the case of several of them, preferably off a cliff.

    Seriously, if this isn't a sign to even the stupidest American that they finally need to hold that Convention Madison envisaged every 25-30 years to sort it out properly, they're fucked.

    And judging by recent pronouncements from Marjorie Taylor Greene it isn't so they are,
  • rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:


    @ericadyork
    @TaxFoundation
    estimates a 10% Section 122 tariff on the same goods currently subject to IEEPA tariffs would raise $36 billion in direct tariff payments ($27 billion in net revenue) over 150 days, at which point the tariff would require Congressional approval to continue.

    Trumps tariffs currently raise $25-30bn per month.
    "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message: Everything burns!"
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,882
    edited February 20
    Time for the EU and TPPA to convene immediate talks to come together as recommended by Carney
  • malcolmg said:

    I assume with immediate effect all countries will have a 10% tariff on top of their existing tariffs

    I shudder at what this could entail

    Trump is out of control

    you just noticed G, where you been the last year
    Good point @malcolmg
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    malcolmg said:

    I assume with immediate effect all countries will have a 10% tariff on top of their existing tariffs

    I shudder at what this could entail

    Trump is out of control

    you just noticed G, where you been the last year
    There are single celled organisms in the oceans of Enceladus who have noticed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:


    @ericadyork
    @TaxFoundation
    estimates a 10% Section 122 tariff on the same goods currently subject to IEEPA tariffs would raise $36 billion in direct tariff payments ($27 billion in net revenue) over 150 days, at which point the tariff would require Congressional approval to continue.

    Trumps tariffs currently raise $25-30bn per month.
    How much to go to the Board of Trump, I mean, Peace?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 649
    ITN News fail to mention excellent economic news

    No Peston
    No Joel

    AMB
    A rogue Kennel operator
    A bit on Trump
    A 15 year old girl and a 17 year old boy both white BTW poisoned by Carbon Monoxide in a caravan
    Olympic Games

    We'll see where the next poor figures figure shall we?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,166
    Seems to be rather a lot of undecideds in this new poll, certainly more than the FON poll, which enables the Greens to lead. Though yes the more the divide between Labour and Green on the left the easier for Reform to win
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 649
    malcolmg said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    exactly a tax haven for bookies, get shot
    Denise get your coat
  • Brixian59 said:

    ITN News fail to mention excellent economic news

    No Peston
    No Joel

    AMB
    A rogue Kennel operator
    A bit on Trump
    A 15 year old girl and a 17 year old boy both white BTW poisoned by Carbon Monoxide in a caravan
    Olympic Games

    We'll see where the next poor figures figure shall we?

    AMW and Trump dominate everything at present
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,727
    King Charles visited a Ward which was marked 'serious mental disturbance.' It was divided into three rooms.

    In the first one Charles visited, he saw a man wearing a badger on his head. Rather puzzled, he asked, 'why are you here? Why are you wearing that badger?'

    'I'm Davy Crockett' came the reply, 'but they were out of raccoon skins.'

    'Are you ever going to get out?' asked Charles.

    'Oh yes,' said the man, 'and then I'm going to conquer Texas.'

    Charles went out, puzzled at what he had seen. He walked into the room. There was a man wearing a baseball cap and wave in a baseball bat.

    'Who are you and what are you doing here?' asked Charles.

    'I'm Babe Ruth,' came the reply. 'I need to hit a homerun and then I'm out of here!'

    Charles walked out, musing on these two poor disturbed souls. In the next room, there was a very fat man, stark naked, balancing cashews on top of something that looked remarkably like a mushroom. His orange hair seemed vaguely familiar to Charles.

    'Who are you? And what are you doing here?' He asked.

    The man looked at him. 'I'm totally fucking nuts so I'm never going to be getting out of here!'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,727
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:


    @ericadyork
    @TaxFoundation
    estimates a 10% Section 122 tariff on the same goods currently subject to IEEPA tariffs would raise $36 billion in direct tariff payments ($27 billion in net revenue) over 150 days, at which point the tariff would require Congressional approval to continue.

    Trumps tariffs currently raise $25-30bn per month.
    How much to go to the Board of Trump, I mean, Peace?
    Not one Pence.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    @kaitlancollins

    President Trump says the Supreme Court justices who ruled again this tariffs are still invited to the State of the Union Tuesday “but barely” and he could not care less if they attended.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Scott_xP said:

    @kaitlancollins

    President Trump says the Supreme Court justices who ruled again this tariffs are still invited to the State of the Union Tuesday “but barely” and he could not care less if they attended.

    He's so goddamn fragile, why do people think he's tough?

    I get he has achieved remarkable dominance over the GOP and winning two elections is not an accomplishment you can achieve solely by the awfulness of particular opposition, but he gets so offended and outraged all the time.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,179

    The significant thing about the poll in the header, regardless of its accuracy, is that it gives the Greens the ammunition to spend the next week sending out a simple message: Don't want Goodwin/Reform? Vote Green, not Labour.

    Tune in ....turn on....and drop out....

    It's sharper
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @kaitlancollins

    President Trump says the Supreme Court justices who ruled again this tariffs are still invited to the State of the Union Tuesday “but barely” and he could not care less if they attended.

    He's so goddamn fragile, why do people think he's tough?

    I get he has achieved remarkable dominance over the GOP and winning two elections is not an accomplishment you can achieve solely by the awfulness of particular opposition, but he gets so offended and outraged all the time.
    He (literally) has armies of people who would kill for him

    That's what people are scared of
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    @timoconnorbl.bsky.social‬

    When asked why he wouldn't work with Congress: "I don't have to. I have the right to do tariffs."

    He cannot cope with reality, and he's disconnecting from it so comprehensively that even a room of journalists are seeing it.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,675
    Pulpstar said:

    I suspect that the chances of Trump launching military action against Iran have significantly increased.

    Is that because the Greens might get a Gorton MP, the Prince formerly known as Andrew or Constitution Hill's race at Southwell tonight :naughty:
    Green Gorton? Wasn't he the singer in Scritti Politti (political writings)?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,573
    edited February 20
    Brixian59 said:

    ITN News fail to mention excellent economic news

    No Peston
    No Joel

    AMB
    A rogue Kennel operator
    A bit on Trump
    A 15 year old girl and a 17 year old boy both white BTW poisoned by Carbon Monoxide in a caravan
    Olympic Games

    We'll see where the next poor figures figure shall we?

    Just wait. Starmer is round to.u turn again.is it 13 or 14 times?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,908
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Scott_xP said:

    @timoconnorbl.bsky.social‬

    When asked why he wouldn't work with Congress: "I don't have to. I have the right to do tariffs."

    He cannot cope with reality, and he's disconnecting from it so comprehensively that even a room of journalists are seeing it.

    It's not that out of keeping with his longstanding view that seems to suggest he thinks Presidents have total authority to do anything they want, and no one else should be able to hold them back, which you'd think would be more contentious in the land of checks and balances, but is at least not really an indication he is devolving, since he already thought that way.

    That he is correct he can commit any crime he wants in office is depressing though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    Always a bad motivation for policy decisions. Sadly not restricted to the left.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 649
    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,485
    HYUFD said:

    Seems to be rather a lot of undecideds in this new poll, certainly more than the FON poll, which enables the Greens to lead. Though yes the more the divide between Labour and Green on the left the easier for Reform to win

    Undecided between the sofa and the polling station.

    I know which will win.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,256
    "Later, of Justice Gorsuch and Barrett, he said: “I think it’s an embarrassment to their families, the two of them.”

    The comments were revealing about how Mr. Trump views Supreme Court justices, not as independent legal thinkers appointed for their expertise or as a constitutional check on his administration, but as appointees who should be loyal to him."

    NY Times live blog



    Bringing their families into this discussion. Literally nothing to do with them. Just plain nasty.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,877
    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    Nothing, just a big rock and as previously advised bookies tax haven. Do you read posts?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,219

    Interesting age splits in the poll:

    18-24: Green 40%, Ref 7%, Lab 18%, DK 2O%
    25-34: Green 34%, Ref 17%, Lab 18%, DK 15%
    35-44: Green 23%, Ref 9%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    45-54: Green 24%, Ref 22%, Lab 15%, DK 36%
    55-64: Green 15%, Ref 30%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    65-74: Green 6%, Ref 36%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    75+: Green 4%, Ref 22%, Lab 28%, DK 43%

    Makes me wonder if Greens are vulnerable to differential turnout as they are low with 65+ who are most likely to turn up

    The DKs are mostly Lab or Workers Party voters from 2024, so not obvious Ref voters.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,464
    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    What is the benefit of Sunderland?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,256
    Tim Miller
    @Timodc
    ·
    13m

    It brings me no joy to say this but given the presidents shocking announcement that the Supreme Court is compromised by foreign interests, the next president will have no choice but to replace all 9 members with new
    justices who have no foreign entanglements.

    https://x.com/Timodc/status/2024924091656835296
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,485
    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    Monkeys.

    British Monkeys.

    The only European Monkeys are British Monkeys.

    So there, Jonny Foreigner.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364

    "Later, of Justice Gorsuch and Barrett, he said: “I think it’s an embarrassment to their families, the two of them.”

    The comments were revealing about how Mr. Trump views Supreme Court justices, not as independent legal thinkers appointed for their expertise or as a constitutional check on his administration, but as appointees who should be loyal to him."

    NY Times live blog

    Bringing their families into this discussion. Literally nothing to do with them. Just plain nasty.

    Most of the judges he has appointed have not regarded that as requiring personal loyalty (other than Judge Cannon), but he's been clear from the start it's what he expected.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,143
    edited February 20
    Brixian59 said:

    ITN News fail to mention excellent economic news

    No Peston
    No Joel

    AMB
    A rogue Kennel operator
    A bit on Trump
    A 15 year old girl and a 17 year old boy both white BTW poisoned by Carbon Monoxide in a caravan
    Olympic Games

    We'll see where the next poor figures figure shall we?

    The ethnicity of the two children who lost their lives is relevant how ?

    They also covered the racist murder of a man in Wales and a farmer who had stuff fly tipped on his land.

    It’s not like the old days where New Labour SPADs would demand what news ran.

    ITN news is always worth watching if Becky is doing the weather.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,166
    Scott_xP said:

    @annmarie

    Trump says he will impose a 10% global tariff under Section 122

    * Section 122 has never been used before
    * The tariffs are capped at 15%
    * Can only be imposed for up to 150 days. Congressional approval is required to keep the duties in place for longer.

    So no change to the UK's 10% tariff anyway
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    edited February 20

    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    What is the benefit of Sunderland?
    It forms part of the buffer zone keeping us safe from Scotland/keeping the rest of England away to keep Scotland safe.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,908
    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    What is the benefit of Brixham?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,547
    Brixian59 said:

    ITN News fail to mention excellent economic news

    No Peston
    No Joel

    AMB
    A rogue Kennel operator
    A bit on Trump
    A 15 year old girl and a 17 year old boy both white BTW poisoned by Carbon Monoxide in a caravan
    Olympic Games

    We'll see where the next poor figures figure shall we?

    You should try being an SNP supporter listening to BBC Scotland and STV.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,219
    It seems Pelicot was not as unusual as we thought:

    Stockport:

    BBC News - Man charged with raping unconscious wife with other men for years - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxde27ep5qo?app-referrer=deep-link

    And in Swindon:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/23/philip-young-former-tory-councillor-pleads-guilty-drugging-raping-wife?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Was anything like this happening before the internet?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,653
    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    What is the benefit of Sunderland?
    It forms part of the buffer zone keeping us safe from Scotland/keeping the rest of England away to keep Scotland safe.
    How it’s on the coast and the A19 a road you would only take if both the A1 and M6 were closed (it’s blooming awful and still has farms directly accessing it).
  • Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    Monkeys.

    British Monkeys.

    The only European Monkeys are British Monkeys.

    So there, Jonny Foreigner.
    Also the only airport bisected by a live highway.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    Foxy said:

    Was anything like this happening before the internet?

    Almost certainly
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,166

    Interesting age splits in the poll:

    18-24: Green 40%, Ref 7%, Lab 18%, DK 2O%
    25-34: Green 34%, Ref 17%, Lab 18%, DK 15%
    35-44: Green 23%, Ref 9%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    45-54: Green 24%, Ref 22%, Lab 15%, DK 36%
    55-64: Green 15%, Ref 30%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    65-74: Green 6%, Ref 36%, Lab 17%, DK 37%
    75+: Green 4%, Ref 22%, Lab 28%, DK 43%

    Makes me wonder if Greens are vulnerable to differential turnout as they are low with 65+ who are most likely to turn up

    So Reform win most voters over 50 pretty comfortably, Labour a strong second with pensioners and ahead with over 75s and the Greens under 10% with pensioners in Gorton and Denton.

    The Greens do have a big lead with under 35s and are narrowly ahead with 35-54s but on a cold day and night, maybe wet too in February and dark after 5pm who will be most likely to have been at the polling station bright and early or sent a postal vote? Pensioners and over 50s not students, if they bother to get out of bed or their room and not younger middle aged parents at work in the day and with children to deal with in the evening
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,547

    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    What is the benefit of Sunderland?
    It’s not the toon!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    edited February 20
    Foxy said:

    It seems Pelicot was not as unusual as we thought:

    Stockport:

    BBC News - Man charged with raping unconscious wife with other men for years - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxde27ep5qo?app-referrer=deep-link

    And in Swindon:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/23/philip-young-former-tory-councillor-pleads-guilty-drugging-raping-wife?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Was anything like this happening before the internet?

    Presumably. There's obviously a depressingly large market (that is, above zero), just as with other illegal sex crimes.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,547
    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    What is the benefit of Brixham?
    It provides a home for under 80s that want to escape Torquay.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    What is the benefit of Sunderland?
    It forms part of the buffer zone keeping us safe from Scotland/keeping the rest of England away to keep Scotland safe.
    How it’s on the coast and the A19 a road you would only take if both the A1 and M6 were closed (it’s blooming awful and still has farms directly accessing it).
    Well, i was thinking of the wider region it is a major part of not just the city itself in fairness.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I wonder if Starmer's calculated if the dick can't tariff me he can feck off if he thinks he's using our Air fields.

    Tariffs were he's weapon

    Without them he's neutered.

    UK has played a blinder on tariffs, might just be about to turn diplomacy on him rather than defence mode.

    Trump can retaliate by hitting Starmer where it hurts:

    "If you think you can give away British territory, think again."
    Starmer is following the Tory plans on Chagos.

    He didn't want to throw away 12 rounds of negotiations.

    Chagos has no military significance for the UK

    It has massive significance for America, India, China.

    He should sell to the highest bidder.

    If you have something that is worthless to UK defence

    Sell it

    What military use is it to specifically the UK?
    The Chagos isn't British territory.
    We should walk away then

    Useless to us

    While we're at it

    Lease the Malvinas to the Argies with a deal on a 50% share on mineral and oil rights.

    Another useless money put on our debit sheet
    Next Gibraltar

    Shut the little Englanders up.

    What use is Gibraltar to us?
    Typical Labour - it's all about annoying the right people, isn't it?
    What is the benefit of Gibraltar
    It’s the blocker to a very slippery slope.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,519
    @danbloom1

    @BlewettSam
    : Boris Johnson and Liz Truss have both lobbied Donald Trump to block the U.K.’s plan to cede sovereignty of the Chagos Islands
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,364
    Scott_xP said:

    @danbloom1

    @BlewettSam
    : Boris Johnson and Liz Truss have both lobbied Donald Trump to block the U.K.’s plan to cede sovereignty of the Chagos Islands

    Didn't they do that a year ago too? There was a lot of talk about hoping he would, and trying to get Biden to sort it out before he left. In the end Trump didn't seem to care, but now seems to go back and forth on the matter.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,256
    Has this been mentioned on the thread???


    megan kenyon
    @meganekenyon

    Correction: This poll appears to have been commissioned by Opal Ltd - the environmentalist Brian Eno is a director of the company. Opal Ltd donated £10,000 to the Green Party in 2022, according to the Electoral Commission. https://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Donations/C0561336

    The sample size was 452 people.

    This was not the first constituency poll. Another was completed by FindOutNow earlier this year.

    https://x.com/meganekenyon/status/2024913066920378756
  • Cyclefree said:


    Surely a w**k is more enjoyable than quasi-necrophilia?

    Wank?
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