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  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633
    Brixian59 said:

    That might mirror the Senned election.

    Labour might actually take that pierce right now
    Wrong result meant to post Caerphilly
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633
    dixiedean said:

    No sign of the Kemigasm.
    Couldn't even find a candidate.
    Tories obliterated in Redcar too in a seat they have held in not too distant past
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,695
    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,678
    RobD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Is transportation still an option?
    St Helena
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,199
    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Send him the Tower!

    (That’s actually a semi serious suggestion)
    I said the same this morning

    Might be the logical option unless we could hire Spandau
    Hiring might cost GOLD!
    So True...
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633

    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Locking him up in maximum security solitary would be a sure fire way to popularity for any Home Secretary.
    Use the tower. It’s traditional.

    He could be behind a 2 way mirror for visitors to file passed and see him. They would come from all over the world. It would make a Royal Mint.
    Great idea

    What if the Rooks got pissed off and flew away though

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,085
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    That might mirror the Senned election.

    Labour might actually take that pierce right now
    Wrong result meant to post Caerphilly
    If you are going to do such things, do them Caerphilly.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,085
    Brixian59 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Locking him up in maximum security solitary would be a sure fire way to popularity for any Home Secretary.
    Use the tower. It’s traditional.

    He could be behind a 2 way mirror for visitors to file passed and see him. They would come from all over the world. It would make a Royal Mint.
    Great idea

    What if the Rooks got pissed off and flew away though

    Arn’t their wings clipped?

    Any way, once they are drunk they can’t fly straight.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,695

    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Locking him up in maximum security solitary would be a sure fire way to popularity for any Home Secretary.
    Use the tower. It’s traditional.

    He could be behind a 2 way mirror for visitors to file passed and see him. They would come from all over the world. It would make a Royal Mint.
    Leaving aside the 2-way mirror and gawping, you have an excellent idea in using the Tower of London. I think legally it still is a prison.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633
    dixiedean said:

    Nor here. Tories lost a greater proportion of their vote than this abject Labour Party.
    Tory seat at one time too not so long ago.

    Upmarket area
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,398
    Leicester, Stoneygate

    Green 1195
    Lab 1089
    One Leic 638
    Ind (Noor) 453
    Con 327
    Ref 106
    LD 62
    ind (Barker) 61

    Turnout 27.75%
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,085
    edited 12:28AM
    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Locking him up in maximum security solitary would be a sure fire way to popularity for any Home Secretary.
    Use the tower. It’s traditional.

    He could be behind a 2 way mirror for visitors to file passed and see him. They would come from all over the world. It would make a Royal Mint.
    Leaving aside the 2-way mirror and gawping, you have an excellent idea in using the Tower of London. I think legally it still is a prison.
    It’s a right royal prison.

    Oh. And you reckon the two way mirror and gawping gets banned by the Woke Stasi? But all the funds from paying gawpers would be going to children’s charities.

    And if Andy can feel the spirits of his ancestors taped in the stone, everyone’s a winner 😀
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633
    dixiedean said:

    Leicester, Stoneygate

    Green 1195
    Lab 1089
    One Leic 638
    Ind (Noor) 453
    Con 327
    Ref 106
    LD 62
    ind (Barker) 61

    Turnout 27.75%

    Not a tight wing stronghold then??
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,873
    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Locking him up in maximum security solitary would be a sure fire way to popularity for any Home Secretary.
    Use the tower. It’s traditional.

    He could be behind a 2 way mirror for visitors to file passed and see him. They would come from all over the world. It would make a Royal Mint.
    Leaving aside the 2-way mirror and gawping, you have an excellent idea in using the Tower of London. I think legally it still is a prison.
    I'm picturing the "White Christmas" episode of Black Mirror. Much though I would hate it to be real - I can feel the iron-y magnetic draw of that specific punishment for him.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,398
    Brixian59 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leicester, Stoneygate

    Green 1195
    Lab 1089
    One Leic 638
    Ind (Noor) 453
    Con 327
    Ref 106
    LD 62
    ind (Barker) 61

    Turnout 27.75%

    Not a tight wing stronghold then??
    Very Muslim ward. One Leicester is Vaz's lot. Noor was the Your Party endorsed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,872

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    That might mirror the Senned election.

    Labour might actually take that pierce right now
    Wrong result meant to post Caerphilly
    If you are going to do such things, do them Caerphilly.
    What's the most popular McVitie's confection in Sri Lanka?

    Jaffna Cakes!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,199
    Brixian59 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leicester, Stoneygate

    Green 1195
    Lab 1089
    One Leic 638
    Ind (Noor) 453
    Con 327
    Ref 106
    LD 62
    ind (Barker) 61

    Turnout 27.75%

    Not a tight wing stronghold then??
    No, it is a mix of a fairly inner city bit of Leicester with quite large Muslim population and some leafy University bits. Probably the worst bit of Leicester for Reform.

    Thats a pretty strong Lab performance considering the national position and the fratricidal battles in the Leicester Labour Party over recent years.
  • Starmer needed a bull as the cabinet secretary to get stuff done.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,695
    Woah! That's not Labour to Plaid transfers enabling Plaid to win, it's Labour to Reform transfers enabling Labour to lose.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,693
    dixiedean said:

    Leicester, Stoneygate

    Green 1195
    Lab 1089
    One Leic 638
    Ind (Noor) 453
    Con 327
    Ref 106
    LD 62
    ind (Barker) 61

    Turnout 27.75%

    X
    Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Stoneygate (Leicester) Council By-Election Result:

    🌍 GRN: 30.4% (+22.9)
    🌹 LAB: 27.7% (-12.8)
    🏘️ OL: 16.2% (New)
    🙋 Ind: 11.5% (New)
    🌳 CON: 8.3% (-15.3)
    ➡️ RFM: 2.7% (New)
    🔶 LDM: 1.6% (-5.9)
    🙋 Ind: 1.6% (New)

    No Ind (-21.0) as previous.

    Green GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2024647525467033722
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,695
    dixiedean said:

    Two fifth places and a non-runner for the official Opposition tonight against the most unpopular government in history.
    I can't see how the narrative that Badenoch is breaking through is anything other than fevered fantasy.

    She's breaking through wth the right-wing commentariat, both legacy and new media, and that's all she needs to do to keep her job. At least until the locals in May, and I don't know what happens then. But claiming she has had polling success is to overlook just how bad things are. The UK Conservatives, the longest lived right/centre-right party in the western world, are polling in the high teens/low twenties. That's *awful*
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,237
    Sigh



    Karoline Leavitt

    @PressSec
    🚨OUT OF THIS WORLD NEWS from President Trump… 👽

    https://x.com/PressSec/status/2024654420332425572

    @Leon time
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633

    Starmer needed a bull as the cabinet secretary to get stuff done.

    Got her in a year too late
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,237
    edited 2:49AM
    A photo for the ages.

    Every single front page.

    Wow

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/how-reuters-captured-photo-former-prince-andrew-leaving-custody-2026-02-20/



    "He took [only] six frames in all"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,047

    Starmer needed a bull as the cabinet secretary to get stuff done.

    Trouble is, he's a china shop proprietor...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,217

    A photo for the ages.

    Every single front page.

    Wow

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/how-reuters-captured-photo-former-prince-andrew-leaving-custody-2026-02-20/



    "He took [only] six frames in all"

    Taking away the Prince from Prince Andrew now means he is referred to as King Charles' brother, Andrew – at least half a dozen times on that page including links to other stories. So that's worked out well.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,047
    Piers Morgan 80-minute interview with Zelenskyy will air today.

    If it’s all as good as this highlight, it will be worth watching.

    https://x.com/yasminalombaert/status/2024575779540259040

    Edit: full interview video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6RP2C9uN-8 will watch later today.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,500

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,047
    How fast can you read?

    https://x.com/atensnut/status/2024613740230959317

    900 words per minute is actually easier than you think it would be.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,199
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
    Are these "Bored of Peace" funds to be held in Swiss bank accounts by any chance?

    The US kleptocracy is reaching new heights.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,217
    Sandpit said:

    How fast can you read?

    https://x.com/atensnut/status/2024613740230959317

    900 words per minute is actually easier than you think it would be.

    Tweeted by the author of You'd Better Put Some Ice On That: How I Survived Being Raped by Bill Clinton.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,668

    RobD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Is transportation still an option?
    St Helena
    Pitcairn would be more appropriate
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,668
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
    Fair enough. My point was he’s going to get away with it. I think the uK government should consider using the “proceeds of crime” act to take the golf courses
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,717
    edited 6:58AM
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
    It’s also unconstitutional, because a President cannot take remuneration beyond salary under the Constitution (article II, section 1):

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    So if the Supreme Court Justices actually believed in the originalist position, rather than being a bunch of corrupt partisan hacks with the intellect of moss, they would have him for that anyway.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,606

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,217
    edited 7:07AM
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
    It’s also unconstitutional, because a President cannot take remuneration beyond salary under the Constitution (article II, section 1):

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    So if the Supreme Court Justices actually believed in the originalist position, rather than being a bunch of corrupt partisan hacks with the intellect of moss, they would have him for that anyway.
    The constitution quoted simply says the President cannot be paid more by the government or by any state, immediately after saying the Board of Peace is not a government institution. Presumably then, that limitation on government salaries does not apply to this new, private company.

    If the author is correct that such a payment is unconstitutional, you've quoted the wrong part. BUT IANAL or even American.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,717
    edited 7:12AM

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
    It’s also unconstitutional, because a President cannot take remuneration beyond salary under the Constitution (article II, section 1):

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    So if the Supreme Court Justices actually believed in the originalist position, rather than being a bunch of corrupt partisan hacks with the intellect of moss, they would have him for that anyway.
    The constitution quoted simply says the President cannot be paid more by the government or by any state, immediately after saying the Board of Peace is not a government institution. Presumably then, that limitation on government salaries does not apply to this new, private company.

    If the author is correct that such a payment is unconstitutional, you've quoted the wrong part. BUT IANAL or even American.
    Under an originalist interpretation it would, because the different rules of ownership applying in the 18th C would mean they would think company=shareholder.

    Equally, of course, Trump was doing that in his first term by forcing the government to use his hotel chain for meetings and insisting that his security details have rooms booked at top rates when he was staying there, which he did as often as possible. So there is nothing especially new about it.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,822

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    That might mirror the Senned election.

    Labour might actually take that pierce right now
    Wrong result meant to post Caerphilly
    If you are going to do such things, do them Caerphilly.
    What's the most popular McVitie's confection in Sri Lanka?

    Jaffna Cakes!
    Kandy floss popular as well, I've heard.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,822
    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Send him the Tower!

    (That’s actually a semi serious suggestion)
    I said the same this morning

    Might be the logical option unless we could hire Spandau
    Hiring might cost GOLD!
    True.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,669
    An interesting slice of Canadian history that I knew nothing about.
    No possible modern parallels I can think of.

    https://x.com/craigbaird/status/2024514522619285809?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,217
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
    It’s also unconstitutional, because a President cannot take remuneration beyond salary under the Constitution (article II, section 1):

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    So if the Supreme Court Justices actually believed in the originalist position, rather than being a bunch of corrupt partisan hacks with the intellect of moss, they would have him for that anyway.
    The constitution quoted simply says the President cannot be paid more by the government or by any state, immediately after saying the Board of Peace is not a government institution. Presumably then, that limitation on government salaries does not apply to this new, private company.

    If the author is correct that such a payment is unconstitutional, you've quoted the wrong part. BUT IANAL or even American.
    Under an originalist interpretation it would, because the different rules of ownership applying in the 18th C would mean they would think company=shareholder.

    Equally, of course, Trump was doing that in his first term by forcing the government to use his hotel chain for meetings and insisting that his security details have rooms booked at top rates when he was staying there, which he did as often as possible. So there is nothing especially new about it.
    Irrelevant to the extract from that part of the Constitution quoted that basically says the President cannot increase his government salary, or take additional salaries from individual states or the Federal government. That extract does not say he cannot take money from elsewhere.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633

    RobD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Is transportation still an option?
    St Helena
    Pitcairn would be more appropriate
    Needs to big enough for him to take Fergie, and they might as well take her dressmaker, to show them the ropes of prison life!
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,127
    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    It’s not big at all and, as I told Woolie yesterday, Reform withdrew support for the candidate but couldn’t do anything as he was already nominated and did not campaign and it’s a Lib Dem area too.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,127

    An interesting slice of Canadian history that I knew nothing about.
    No possible modern parallels I can think of.

    https://x.com/craigbaird/status/2024514522619285809?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That came up on my timeline too. Fascinating stuff

    A Dads Army episode had a similar premise and hilarity ensued.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,822
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Trump is getting the US government to pay $10 billion to his Board of Peace, that he entirely controls.

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/5745297-trump-funding-board-of-peace/

    BILLION.

    I think that, even now, people underestimate how much Trump is motivated by simple corruption.

    It's overlooked so often as a motivating force when people try to anticipate what he will do next, but it appears to be way more important to him than any ideology, or geological strategy.
    It's a kleptocratic cult dedicated to keeping it's members out of jail as long as they remain loyal.
    Basically a mafia government.
    We're long past the point where we should be having nowt to do with them.
    Europe's median reaction can be summed up as willing themselves to wake up from a nightmare.

    Not happening folks. Deal with the awful reality.

    46% of Irish corporation tax receipts are from three US companies (Apple, Microsoft and Eli Lilly). That's very vulnerable to the whim of a guy in the White House who would love a share of those billions.
    Most of the US is in a state of denial.
    Decades of propaganda about the superiority of their Constitution and shining city on the hill bollocks prevents them from recognising and naming what is in plain sight.
    So Trump is unilaterally committing $10B of US tax payer money...

    To an offshore entity that he controls and is the lifelong chairman of.

    He is robbing America blind, and about 1/3rd of the country is too stupid to see it!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2024534374507573401
    And it’s not a crime because it’s an official act as president. My goodness the Supreme Court are idiots
    It is a crime, an enormous one.
    The imbecilic court ruling doesn't change that, rather, it gives him total immunity unless he is impeached.

    This is a crime. If you read the Board of Peace charter, you understand it has nothing to do with the American government; it's a private entity Trump created for his own enrichment. This is an impeachable offense, and if this country were not broken he would be gone by tomorrow.
    https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/2024645622192538104
    It’s also unconstitutional, because a President cannot take remuneration beyond salary under the Constitution (article II, section 1):

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    So if the Supreme Court Justices actually believed in the originalist position, rather than being a bunch of corrupt partisan hacks with the intellect of moss, they would have him for that anyway.
    The constitution quoted simply says the President cannot be paid more by the government or by any state, immediately after saying the Board of Peace is not a government institution. Presumably then, that limitation on government salaries does not apply to this new, private company.

    If the author is correct that such a payment is unconstitutional, you've quoted the wrong part. BUT IANAL or even American.
    Under an originalist interpretation it would, because the different rules of ownership applying in the 18th C would mean they would think company=shareholder.

    Equally, of course, Trump was doing that in his first term by forcing the government to use his hotel chain for meetings and insisting that his security details have rooms booked at top rates when he was staying there, which he did as often as possible. So there is nothing especially new about it.
    It's just another indication that the US has ceased to be a serious country.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,337
    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    For the other prisoners, it will be like it was when I was at Cambridge with Prince Edward
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,217
    edited 7:43AM
    Taz said:

    An interesting slice of Canadian history that I knew nothing about.
    No possible modern parallels I can think of.

    https://x.com/craigbaird/status/2024514522619285809?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That came up on my timeline too. Fascinating stuff

    A Dads Army episode had a similar premise and hilarity ensued.
    And the film, Went the Day Well? – released during the war but after the threat of invasion had receded. IMDB: An English village is occupied by disguised German paratroopers as an advance post for a planned invasion.
    You can watch it on:-
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9o03xq
  • eekeek Posts: 32,652
    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,448
    edited 7:44AM
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    It’s not big at all and, as I told Woolie yesterday, Reform withdrew support for the candidate but couldn’t do anything as he was already nominated and did not campaign and it’s a Lib Dem area too.
    Remain got only 33% in Redcar, and Zetland isn't a particular outlier in terms of deprivation: https://deprivation.communities.gov.uk/maps?type=imd&geog=lsoa#11.21/54.5928/-1.1202

    It is, at the very least, a reminder that Reform wins in areas like this are not inevitable. The protest vote against the Legacy Two is evidently quite mercurial. Feels very much like Scottish elections since 2014 to me.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,054
    Chagos business gets murkier - seems Powell visited China as a 'civilian' but had already been appointed secretly to the Chagos brief.

    Now it has emerged that Powell visited China to attend a conference at ‘front organisation’ the Grandview Institution while working on the Chagos file. Powell was in Beijing from 20-22 September 2024, six weeks after his engagement on the Chagos issue began. As The Chagos Files reveal, Powell was working with FCDO officials from at least the 6 August of that year. Powell visited China in his private capacity as the head of consultancy Inter Mediate while simultaneously working as the government’s Chagos envoy…

    https://order-order.com/2026/02/19/exc-the-chagos-files-powell-visited-china-and-spoke-at-front-organisation-conference-while-he-was-starmers-chagos-negotiator/

    This is the sort of thing that could end in Powell and Starmer being bunk buddies with Prince Andrew in the Scrubbs.

    And to save anyone the bother of complaining about Guido - shove it. Something's either true or it isn't.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,054
    rkrkrk said:
    Quite fun when Keir has her hovering over the shark pool as the next sacrifice to save himself. Go Rach!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,366
    rkrkrk said:
    In real terms? It doesn't say.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,127
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    It’s not big at all and, as I told Woolie yesterday, Reform withdrew support for the candidate but couldn’t do anything as he was already nominated and did not campaign and it’s a Lib Dem area too.
    Remain got only 33% in Redcar, and Zetland isn't a particular outlier in terms of deprivation: https://deprivation.communities.gov.uk/maps?type=imd&geog=lsoa#11.21/54.5928/-1.1202

    It is, at the very least, a reminder that Reform wins in areas like this are not inevitable. The protest vote against the Legacy Two is evidently quite mercurial. Feels very much like Scottish elections since 2014 to me.
    I think, had Reform campaigned, they would have done better but not won. Maybe an extra 5%.

    People have a tendency to lump places like Redcar all together and assume it’s one homogeneous entity however, as Eek points out (as he has local knowledge) this is really a posh area.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,047
    So what’s the “food and drink deal” with the EU?

    If it looks like dynamic alignment, and smells like dynamic alignment…

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2024742992871895414
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,366
    Sandpit said:

    So what’s the “food and drink deal” with the EU?

    If it looks like dynamic alignment, and smells like dynamic alignment…

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2024742992871895414

    Always was going to be. If there were a magic third way, it would have been found during the original negotiations.

    Another three or four decades of simpleton anti-GMO superstition coming our way.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,337
    Sandpit said:

    So what’s the “food and drink deal” with the EU?

    If it looks like dynamic alignment, and smells like dynamic alignment…

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2024742992871895414

    It will be excellent news; just a shame so many small exporting businesses selling British food have gone under in the meantime.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,047
    rkrkrk said:
    Just shows how highly we are being taxed...
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,532
    edited 8:01AM
    Sandpit said:

    So what’s the “food and drink deal” with the EU?

    If it looks like dynamic alignment, and smells like dynamic alignment…

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2024742992871895414

    He's had an interesting career and some high profile gigs. Is writing for the Daily Mail the pinnacle or a sign of his trajectory into BDS.

    (Side issue is that they can cancel all that investment in inbound checks which they never started in the first place)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,717

    rkrkrk said:
    Quite fun when Keir has her hovering over the shark pool as the next sacrifice to save himself. Go Rach!
    A week after Khrushchev was fired in 1964 for, inter alia, agricultural mismanagement, the figures from the 1964 harvest arrived on Podgorny's desk.

    They showed the 1964 harvest had been by far the largest ever seen in the USSR or the Russian Empire.

    This was sufficiently embarrassing to the troika that the figures were suppressed until 1986.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,905
    “Cats may hold clues for human cancer treatment,” a BBC headline reads this morning. But, I presume, they’re withholding them until they got more treats.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633

    Chagos business gets murkier - seems Powell visited China as a 'civilian' but had already been appointed secretly to the Chagos brief.

    Now it has emerged that Powell visited China to attend a conference at ‘front organisation’ the Grandview Institution while working on the Chagos file. Powell was in Beijing from 20-22 September 2024, six weeks after his engagement on the Chagos issue began. As The Chagos Files reveal, Powell was working with FCDO officials from at least the 6 August of that year. Powell visited China in his private capacity as the head of consultancy Inter Mediate while simultaneously working as the government’s Chagos envoy…

    https://order-order.com/2026/02/19/exc-the-chagos-files-powell-visited-china-and-spoke-at-front-organisation-conference-while-he-was-starmers-chagos-negotiator/

    This is the sort of thing that could end in Powell and Starmer being bunk buddies with Prince Andrew in the Scrubbs.

    And to save anyone the bother of complaining about Guido - shove it. Something's either true or it isn't.

    Oh you mean the rabid liar who sits offshore to avoid tax, libel and other accusations not too removed from recent events
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,348
    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    So what’s the “food and drink deal” with the EU?

    If it looks like dynamic alignment, and smells like dynamic alignment…

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2024742992871895414

    He's had an interesting career and some high profile gigs. Is writing for the Daily Mail the pinnacle or a sign of his trajectory into BDS.

    (Side issue is that they can cancel all that investment in inbound checks which they never started in the first place)
    Shhh! If you mention that Brexit was such a great idea that it was never implemented because we'd have starved / food inflation would have gone through the roof / produce would have rotted there'll be a PB meltdown.
    It's like dementia care, never contradict them just let them believe their own reality.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,874

    rkrkrk said:
    Just shows how highly we are being taxed...
    Exactly Mark, we will see the results once unemployment rises due to her useless policies, will be short lived.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,448
    edited 8:12AM
    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,428

    NEW THREAD

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,482
    Putting a positive spin on last night's results, we didn't lose any seats to Reform.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 633
    Brixian59 said:

    Chagos business gets murkier - seems Powell visited China as a 'civilian' but had already been appointed secretly to the Chagos brief.

    Now it has emerged that Powell visited China to attend a conference at ‘front organisation’ the Grandview Institution while working on the Chagos file. Powell was in Beijing from 20-22 September 2024, six weeks after his engagement on the Chagos issue began. As The Chagos Files reveal, Powell was working with FCDO officials from at least the 6 August of that year. Powell visited China in his private capacity as the head of consultancy Inter Mediate while simultaneously working as the government’s Chagos envoy…

    https://order-order.com/2026/02/19/exc-the-chagos-files-powell-visited-china-and-spoke-at-front-organisation-conference-while-he-was-starmers-chagos-negotiator/

    This is the sort of thing that could end in Powell and Starmer being bunk buddies with Prince Andrew in the Scrubbs.

    And to save anyone the bother of complaining about Guido - shove it. Something's either true or it isn't.

    Oh you mean the rabid liar who sits offshore to avoid tax, libel and other accusations not too removed from recent events
    Of course the word Chagos probably never got uttered as Reeves, Starmer and a succession of other Ministers and UK officials have been there since.

    It's called opening up communications and bi lateral Trade.

    A shame that successive Tory Trade Ministers were utterly inept.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,170

    https://x.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/2024533939751141429

    If it turns out to be true that Britain is denying the United States the ability to use British bases against Iran if there is a necessity for an attack - it would be beyond surprising.

    I’ve been a military lawyer most of my adult life. What they’re saying about the status of Diego Garcia, the joint US-UK military base, is a huge question.

    The bottom line is the largest state sponsor of terrorism on the planet is the weakest it’s been because the people of Iran have risen up by the millions to end their oppression and the United States and Israel have delivered crushing blows to the regime’s military infrastructure.

    To my friends in Britain, sitting this one out puts you on the wrong side of history and is yet another example of how much our alliances throughout Europe have degraded.

    You're quoting Lindsey Graham? The worst of the worst! The man's a monster even by Trump standards
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,127
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zetland (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 50.5% (+15.2)
    🌹 LAB: 21.6% (-25.2)
    ➡️ RFM: 13.5% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 7.4% (New)
    🌳 CON: 7.0% (-10.9)

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.

    That isn't quite as big as it first appears. It's been a Lib Dem ward since they took the parliamentary seat in 2010. The 2023 result was the outlier.
    I said last night when I say the actual location of the ward what the result would be - it's the poshest part of Redcar by miles...
    All relative though - the "poshest part" of Redcar is split between the 20% and 40% most deprived parts of England. If Reform are limited only to the 10% most deprived areas (e.g. Clacton) then they aren't winning an election.
    Reform got 13.5%, far more than 10%.

    They did not campaign and disowned their candidate..

    Still I’m sure Eek will bow to your expertise on a part of the country he knows and you could only find on a spreadsheet.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,905

    An interesting slice of Canadian history that I knew nothing about.
    No possible modern parallels I can think of.

    https://x.com/craigbaird/status/2024514522619285809?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Day
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,488
    fitalass said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leicester, Stoneygate

    Green 1195
    Lab 1089
    One Leic 638
    Ind (Noor) 453
    Con 327
    Ref 106
    LD 62
    ind (Barker) 61

    Turnout 27.75%

    X
    Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Stoneygate (Leicester) Council By-Election Result:

    🌍 GRN: 30.4% (+22.9)
    🌹 LAB: 27.7% (-12.8)
    🏘️ OL: 16.2% (New)
    🙋 Ind: 11.5% (New)
    🌳 CON: 8.3% (-15.3)
    ➡️ RFM: 2.7% (New)
    🔶 LDM: 1.6% (-5.9)
    🙋 Ind: 1.6% (New)

    No Ind (-21.0) as previous.

    Green GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2023.
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/2024647525467033722
    Tory tactical votes for the Greens?

    Wild that the Tories lost more votes there than Labour. 2023 wasn't exactly a strong year for the Tories.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,488
    Eabhal said:

    rkrkrk said:
    1) There's usually a surplus in January because of self-assessment
    2) That's genuinely a positive surprise. Whisper it very quietly, but amongst all the noise about a slight uptick in unemployment, most of the economic indicators look reasonable (including real earnings growth). I appreciate that's set against an expectation of sudden 3% ecobomic growth, but it's certainly not the disaster people sometimes describe.
    Seems to be at least partly due to a temporary boost in capital gains tax receipts, for to people bringing forward asset disposals to get ahead of future tax increases. Also worth noting that the self-assessment tax receipts cover the tax year 2024-25, so they're probably the most lagging indicator of all. Even if the rest of the economy is showing green shoots of recovery, self-assessment tax returns can still be showing the boom before a bust.

    I wouldn't get too excited about it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,856

    dixiedean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    If, and if is the operative word, ANW gets a custodial sentence then what in God's name do authorities do.

    He'd have to be held in high security solidarity confinement for his own safety.

    Whatever the charge, to the prison population he'd be seen as a nonce or peado.

    Open Prison would be impossible.

    There would be massive public pressure to serve his sentence but massive political outrage if any problems befell him.

    Not a welcome problem for any Home Secretary or Government.

    Send him the Tower!

    (That’s actually a semi serious suggestion)
    I said the same this morning

    Might be the logical option unless we could hire Spandau
    Hiring might cost GOLD!
    True.
    All these suggestions are ridiculous.

    We have a proven solution. Pitcairn Island.

    Where, after an abuse scandal, a significant chunk of the islands population was imprisoned - though let out to perform labour for the community.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,085

    Sigh



    Karoline Leavitt

    @PressSec
    🚨OUT OF THIS WORLD NEWS from President Trump… 👽

    https://x.com/PressSec/status/2024654420332425572

    @Leon time

    Damn, those Epstein files are getting close to Trump...
    Look over there! Dead Lizard.
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