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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,631
    The Green party candidate blames terrorism on people like Matt Goodwin causing division.

    https://x.com/_ConnieShaw/status/2024069047206179028
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,589
    Taiwan is fucking cool
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,535
    Mr. Eagles, unfair to mention Mazepin there. He's both far less talented than Stroll *and* a worse human being by a long way.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,801

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    One factor likely pushing up youth unemployment in the UK is AI take-up. I've seen an interesting chart showing the increase in youth unemployment is greater in countries like the UK with relatively high rates of AI adoption. Certainly makes sense with respect to the timing of the rise, which started two years before Labour came in and enacted all these supposed job destroying policies.
    The AI narrative is massive overstated at the moment. It doesn't really fit as it was shit 3 years ago and its still minor usage. I am as big a fan / user of AI as there is and I don't think it anywhere near there yet to making masses of people unemployed.

    Also yes been rising for 3-4 years, but there was big bump the last year. I think its much simpler, the economy hasn't been growing for years, things are tight, you don't hire as much, especially inexperienced*, and the current government have made that worse by tanking business confidence and raising taxes / minimum wage making the problem worse.

    * also I have heard from both those in academia and business that the cohort who came through under COVID are really lacking in many aspects.
    It's just a scatter plot but it's a suggestive one. Anecdotally it is a factor in my sector (finance). I agree it's not the only thing, probably not the main thing, going on.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,390

    Mr. Eagles, unfair to mention Mazepin there. He's both far less talented than Stroll *and* a worse human being by a long way.

    Why’s Mazepin a worse human being?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,589
    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,198
    Trump's Board of Peace meets for its first meeting on Thursday.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,198
    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    The Taiwan visit is off to a flying start then?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,623

    Trump's Board of Peace meets for its first meeting on Thursday.

    Notes where Leon is, China invasion to start Friday?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,647
    eek said:

    Trump's Board of Peace meets for its first meeting on Thursday.

    Notes where Leon is, China invasion to start Friday?
    Notes that Eagles is on holiday and nothing that bad has happened yet.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,535

    Mr. Eagles, unfair to mention Mazepin there. He's both far less talented than Stroll *and* a worse human being by a long way.

    Why’s Mazepin a worse human being?
    During his brief stint as an F1 driver there was a video of him driving (in a normal car) a young lady, and his behaviour towards her prompted Ted Kravitz to call him a 'lout', which is very much on the polite end of the scale of descriptions.

    Anyway, I must be off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,390

    Mr. Eagles, unfair to mention Mazepin there. He's both far less talented than Stroll *and* a worse human being by a long way.

    Why’s Mazepin a worse human being?
    During his brief stint as an F1 driver there was a video of him driving (in a normal car) a young lady, and his behaviour towards her prompted Ted Kravitz to call him a 'lout', which is very much on the polite end of the scale of descriptions.

    Anyway, I must be off.
    Ta.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,642
    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    You are with your people.




  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,350
    Leon said:

    Taiwan is fucking cool

    Sent you some recommendations upthread.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,815
    edited 1:23PM
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    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    One factor likely pushing up youth unemployment in the UK is AI take-up. I've seen an interesting chart showing the increase in youth unemployment is greater in countries like the UK with relatively high rates of AI adoption. Certainly makes sense with respect to the timing of the rise, which started two years before Labour came in and enacted all these supposed job destroying policies.
    The AI narrative is massive overstated at the moment. It doesn't really fit as it was shit 3 years ago and its still minor usage. I am as big a fan / user of AI as there is and I don't think it anywhere near there yet to making masses of people unemployed.

    Also yes been rising for 3-4 years, but there was big bump the last year. I think its much simpler, the economy hasn't been growing for years, things are tight, you don't hire as much, especially inexperienced*, and the current government have made that worse by tanking business confidence and raising taxes / minimum wage making the problem worse.

    * also I have heard from both those in academia and business that the cohort who came through under COVID are really lacking in many aspects.
    It's just a scatter plot but it's a suggestive one. Anecdotally it is a factor in my sector (finance). I agree it's not the only thing, probably not the main thing, going on.
    Recruitment in number of sectors seems to have collapsed - employers can’t find staff, and people can’t find jobs.

    I suggested, in a meeting, that we get someone to write a job descriptions (quill pen and parchment) and employ a chap in a tricorn hat to announce them - perhaps on the steps of the Royal Exchange.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,801
    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    Usual chat up lines not working?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    edited 1:27PM
    I wonder who is briefing so hard against the lady who is being lined up for Cabinet Secretary? Thought it was quite funny how she is supposed terrible bully but led the charge against Dominic Raab whose bullying appeared to be not much more than looking at people the wrong way and making people redo their homework because it was wrong.

    What's good for the goose.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,036
    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    Lucky bastard.

    I’m in a freezing cold field under cyclonic gloom! And the easterly winds picking up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    edited 1:31PM
    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,036

    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    Usual chat up lines not working?
    “Do you have a bit of Cornish in you? Would you like some?”
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,036

    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    You are with your people.




    It’s Reilly Ace of Spies!

    Why did you post Reilly ace of spies?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,446
    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    Do they realise you're Leon ?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,734

    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.

    Getting beyond parody.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,450
    I see Reform are keeping the Triple Lock.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,668
    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    (With apologies to the Fast Show)

    ...at 3am? With the toilet brush? With your reputation? What were they thinking?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,668

    I see Reform are keeping the Triple Lock.

    Honestly, what even is the point? They're just Con 2024 V2 at this point.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,446
    Successive UK government's have given this loon, who appears to be on meth, multiple contracts to manage information for Health, Defence, Intelligence and Borders.

    Palantir Technologies CEO Alex Karp couldn’t stay seated in his chair as he proudly stated, “We kill people sometimes,” while speaking to shareholders.
    https://x.com/MmisterNobody/status/2023780218650194110
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 480
    edited 1:47PM
    Edit
    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    Excellent drone tech out of Birmingham University associated Science Parks will be more useful than billions frittered on a carrier group and maintenance payments to corrupt chums from Eton
  • eekeek Posts: 32,623

    I see Reform are keeping the Triple Lock.

    Hey their voters (over 60, racist) must keep their sweeties -
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,565
    Jenrick is basically proposing the Conservative manifesto but with MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,631
    edited 1:50PM
    Nigelb said:

    Successive UK government's have given this loon, who appears to be on meth, multiple contracts to manage information for Health, Defence, Intelligence and Borders.

    Palantir Technologies CEO Alex Karp couldn’t stay seated in his chair as he proudly stated, “We kill people sometimes,” while speaking to shareholders.
    https://x.com/MmisterNobody/status/2023780218650194110

    https://x.com/jawwwn_/status/2023207418922959234

    Palantir CEO Dr. Alex Karp:

    “You need a higher purpose, and I think you often need a lower purpose.

    @andrewrsorkin : “What’s your lower purpose?”

    Karp: “I love the idea of getting a drone and having light fentanyl-laced urine spraying on analysts that tried to screw us.”
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,913

    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    Lucky bastard.

    I’m in a freezing cold field under cyclonic gloom! And the easterly winds picking up.
    I have just been for a walk as it is forecast to piss down this afternoon. And I'm unlikely to fancy the 2km walk to the pub this evening
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,341
    edited 1:53PM
    Have the LDs ever finished last in a by-election where at least one minor/fringe candidate is standing?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,565

    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.

    It would be better if it didnt cross his desk or we'd end up cancelling all our future elections and paying Mauritius to run theirs
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,435
    eek said:

    I see Reform are keeping the Triple Lock.

    Hey their voters (over 60, racist) must keep their sweeties -
    Reform voters are actually quite evenly distributed across ages groups (relative to voters, not population). Or at least they were at GE '24.

    It's the Conservatives who are intensely concentrated in the 60+ bracket.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,341
    Leon said:

    Taiwan is fucking cool

    Probably the best place I've visited. September 2012, 4 days.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,414

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    One factor likely pushing up youth unemployment in the UK is AI take-up. I've seen an interesting chart showing the increase in youth unemployment is greater in countries like the UK with relatively high rates of AI adoption. Certainly makes sense with respect to the timing of the rise, which started two years before Labour came in and enacted all these supposed job destroying policies.
    I think AI is quite over-stated, more that the economy is in the doldrums and Labour's policies were quite counter-productive. Sensible policies from Government are counter-cyclical, but at a time of a "crisis"* of youth unemployment the Government has increased costs of hiring young people quite rapidly via not one but two major increases in National Insurance as well as increasing youth NMW at a considerably higher percentage rate than regular NMW.

    Not exactly joined-up thinking.

    * this Government's own words.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,913
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Taiwan is fucking cool

    Probably the best place I've visited. September 2012, 4 days.
    A long way to go for 4 days
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,414
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    I see Reform are keeping the Triple Lock.

    Hey their voters (over 60, racist) must keep their sweeties -
    Reform voters are actually quite evenly distributed across ages groups (relative to voters, not population). Or at least they were at GE '24.

    It's the Conservatives who are intensely concentrated in the 60+ bracket.
    Meanwhile we have a Labour government that has precious few under 60 voters proportionately and is still doing Jack Shit to fix the problem.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,565
    Andy_JS said:

    Have the LDs ever finished last in a by-election where at least one minor/fringe candidate is standing?

    Falkirk West 2000 if you include Scottish Socialust as fringe (contiuning to searxh)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    edited 2:04PM
    As Sir Keir Starmer unveiled a £31bn technology pact to coincide with Donald Trump’s state visit last September, one AI deal buried within the flood of investments raised eyebrows. The Government announced that a previously unknown company, AI Pathfinder, would invest £1bn to build a data centre in Northamptonshire.

    Yet just a few months on, AI Pathfinder is in turmoil. The data centre developer’s website now features a placeholder image and nearly all of its staff have left.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/18/this-british-tech-champion-had-an-18bn-vision-for-ai-now-it/

    I said at the time, the companies they were announcing were "interesting". None of them had the money that the government were saying they were going to invest and nor were they say an Oracle who can phone up anybody and get the loan.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,647
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    I see Reform are keeping the Triple Lock.

    Hey their voters (over 60, racist) must keep their sweeties -
    Reform voters are actually quite evenly distributed across ages groups (relative to voters, not population). Or at least they were at GE '24.

    It's the Conservatives who are intensely concentrated in the 60+ bracket.
    Probably the case for the fifteen percent who voted Reform in 2024. Now they're on thirtyish percent, and a lot of the switchers have been Con-to-Ref, so their age profile is skewed too.

    From this week's YouGov, since it's to hand:

    18-24: Con 7 Ref 6
    25-49: Con 16 Ref 17
    50-64: Con 18 Ref 33
    65+: Con 26 Ref 33

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/VotingIntention_MRP_Results_260216_w.pdf
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,642

    Andy_JS said:

    Have the LDs ever finished last in a by-election where at least one minor/fringe candidate is standing?

    Falkirk West 2000 if you include Scottish Socialust as fringe (contiuning to searxh)
    Presumably Tommy Sheridan was in charge while it was the Scottish Socialust Party,
    I believe Citizen Tommy is the lead list candidate for Alba in Glasgow and his missus also in the mix. No idea how they’ll do, but not great I suspect.
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 832
    OT - I'm not sure there is too much value in the odds but when it comes to finishing last in parliamentary elections the Communist League is at a different level.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2021:

    9,710 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    6,913 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    In 2025:

    12,316 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    20,807 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    No wonder UK grads now finish university, do two years on the job training as foundation doctors and then end up unemployed.

    Number of grad applications though increased for both UK and overseas applicants but the number of doctor and consultant training places hasn't. There are only 12,000 such training places a year and only 23% of overseas applicants are successful compared to 69% of UK applicants


    https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/imgs-increasingly-relinquishing-medical-licences-finds-gmc
    Yes, but that means 5 000 successful IMG applications out of 12 807 places, so over a 3rd of ST places go to IMGs.
    Yes but given the majority of applications are from overseas now that is a far lower success rate for ST places than UK applicants
    That isn’t the point. The point is that we (i.e. the country) have paid a lot of money to train our best and brightest as doctors to leave them unemployed. That’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
    So ban immigrants from overseas taking medical jobs then I presume, British doctor jobs for only British medical grads! Nige and Rupert would be proud of you!
    Alternatively, give anyone graduating from a U.K. university absolute priority for a training place.
    Which is effectively the same thing, given there are 12,316 UK medical grad applicants and only 12,000 training places available
    Some applicants will apply for more than one training programme so not quite
    'The government has put an offer to the British Medical Association (BMA) that would put in place emergency legislation for UK and Republic of Ireland medical graduates and doctors who have worked in the NHS for a significant period of time to be prioritised for specialty training and tackling bottlenecks through an overhaul of recruitment for medical training. Should the BMA accept this offer, the government will accelerate plans to prioritise these medics, addressing the current system that has led to soaring competition ratios - with current applicants set to benefit from the 2026 intake.

    Other measures in the offer include:

    creating 4,000 more specialty training places, with 1,000 of these brought forward to this year
    cost-related measures, such as reimbursement for exam fees, to address the unique costs that resident doctors face
    increasing the less-than-full-time allowance by 50% to £1,500'
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-places#:~:text=Press release-,Government to prioritise UK medical graduates for training places,MP Published 10 December 2025
    Not sure the BMA will approve of that particular use of Brexit Freedoms. I wonder if it's open to legal challenge from settled status EU citizens.
    Would it be based on UK and Irish citizenship, or UK and Irish Universities?

    If a settled status EU citizen went into a British Uni, then they'd be counted within the 12,316 UK medical grad applicants surely?
    If a UK citizen has not been resident in the UK for three years before, they pay overseas fees at university. So, would they be counted or not?
    As I've discovered with my daughter's applications, it's complicated! Edinburgh just asked for a full list of dates she's been in the UK in the last 10 years, and the email contains the line "we're not asking for tickets at this stage".

    I mean... what?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,565
    edited 2:15PM

    Andy_JS said:

    Have the LDs ever finished last in a by-election where at least one minor/fringe candidate is standing?

    Falkirk West 2000 if you include Scottish Socialust as fringe (contiuning to searxh)
    Rotherham 2012 and South Shields 2013 they were not last but behind some absolute dross
    Tamworth 2023 was their worst recent one but not last

    Ogmore 2016 last but UKIP were the only non standard and were still big fish
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,032
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2021:

    9,710 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    6,913 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    In 2025:

    12,316 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    20,807 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    No wonder UK grads now finish university, do two years on the job training as foundation doctors and then end up unemployed.

    Number of grad applications though increased for both UK and overseas applicants but the number of doctor and consultant training places hasn't. There are only 12,000 such training places a year and only 23% of overseas applicants are successful compared to 69% of UK applicants


    https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/imgs-increasingly-relinquishing-medical-licences-finds-gmc
    Yes, but that means 5 000 successful IMG applications out of 12 807 places, so over a 3rd of ST places go to IMGs.
    Yes but given the majority of applications are from overseas now that is a far lower success rate for ST places than UK applicants
    That isn’t the point. The point is that we (i.e. the country) have paid a lot of money to train our best and brightest as doctors to leave them unemployed. That’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
    So ban immigrants from overseas taking medical jobs then I presume, British doctor jobs for only British medical grads! Nige and Rupert would be proud of you!
    Alternatively, give anyone graduating from a U.K. university absolute priority for a training place.
    Which is effectively the same thing, given there are 12,316 UK medical grad applicants and only 12,000 training places available
    Some applicants will apply for more than one training programme so not quite
    'The government has put an offer to the British Medical Association (BMA) that would put in place emergency legislation for UK and Republic of Ireland medical graduates and doctors who have worked in the NHS for a significant period of time to be prioritised for specialty training and tackling bottlenecks through an overhaul of recruitment for medical training. Should the BMA accept this offer, the government will accelerate plans to prioritise these medics, addressing the current system that has led to soaring competition ratios - with current applicants set to benefit from the 2026 intake.

    Other measures in the offer include:

    creating 4,000 more specialty training places, with 1,000 of these brought forward to this year
    cost-related measures, such as reimbursement for exam fees, to address the unique costs that resident doctors face
    increasing the less-than-full-time allowance by 50% to £1,500'
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-places#:~:text=Press release-,Government to prioritise UK medical graduates for training places,MP Published 10 December 2025
    Not sure the BMA will approve of that particular use of Brexit Freedoms. I wonder if it's open to legal challenge from settled status EU citizens.
    Would it be based on UK and Irish citizenship, or UK and Irish Universities?

    If a settled status EU citizen went into a British Uni, then they'd be counted within the 12,316 UK medical grad applicants surely?
    If a UK citizen has not been resident in the UK for three years before, they pay overseas fees at university. So, would they be counted or not?
    As I've discovered with my daughter's applications, it's complicated! Edinburgh just asked for a full list of dates she's been in the UK in the last 10 years, and the email contains the line "we're not asking for tickets at this stage".

    I mean... what?
    They will be asking for tickets at the next stage, if she gets that far.

    If she’s been living overseas for most of the past three years - and they already know which schools she’s been attending - then expect the bill for the full fees.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,446
    The grammar in this is entirely effable, but it's a welcome British success.
    Though of course they had to get the funding from US venture cap.

    Sequoia (@sequoia) leading the largest European seed round of all time with $1B at $4B valuation.

    David Silver, one of Britain’s top AI researchers, left Google DeepMind late last year to launch the London-based start-up Ineffable Intelligence.

    He aims to build “superhuman intelligence”.

    Sequoia partners Alfred Lin and Sonya Huang flew to London to visit Silver after his departure, who is also a professor at University College London.

    https://x.com/etnshow/status/2024071567584469330
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    edited 2:24PM
    Nigelb said:

    The grammar in this is entirely effable, but it's a welcome British success.
    Though of course they had to get the funding from US venture cap.

    Sequoia (@sequoia) leading the largest European seed round of all time with $1B at $4B valuation.

    David Silver, one of Britain’s top AI researchers, left Google DeepMind late last year to launch the London-based start-up Ineffable Intelligence.

    He aims to build “superhuman intelligence”.

    Sequoia partners Alfred Lin and Sonya Huang flew to London to visit Silver after his departure, who is also a professor at University College London.

    https://x.com/etnshow/status/2024071567584469330

    i think its a bit early to call it a success. He is super talented guy who has raised money on a idea. The same as 3 of the OpenAI founder who left and raised similar amounts of money baed upon their reptutations.

    Sythensia the biggest recent "British"* success, where they have products, they are making money, and recently raised at valuation of $4bn (after turning down $3bn buy-out from Adobe).

    By British, its two Danes, a German and a Spaniard. Albeit the one is an academic at UCL and whose research a lot of the original product was based.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,446

    Nigelb said:

    The grammar in this is entirely effable, but it's a welcome British success.
    Though of course they had to get the funding from US venture cap.

    Sequoia (@sequoia) leading the largest European seed round of all time with $1B at $4B valuation.

    David Silver, one of Britain’s top AI researchers, left Google DeepMind late last year to launch the London-based start-up Ineffable Intelligence.

    He aims to build “superhuman intelligence”.

    Sequoia partners Alfred Lin and Sonya Huang flew to London to visit Silver after his departure, who is also a professor at University College London.

    https://x.com/etnshow/status/2024071567584469330

    i think its a bit early to call it a success. He is super talented guy who has raised money on a idea.
    Getting $1bn inward investment from the US is a success in itself, so no, I don't think it is.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,815

    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.

    It would be better if it didnt cross his desk or we'd end up cancelling all our future elections and paying Mauritius to run theirs
    Yesterday, upon the stair at No.10,
    I met a man who wasn't there!
    He wasn't there again today,
    I wish, I wish he'd go away!

    When I came to No. 10 last night at three,
    The man was waiting there for me
    But when I looked around the hall,
    I couldn't see him there at all!
    Go away, go away, don't you come back any more!
    Go away, go away, and please don't slam the door... (slam!)

    Last night I saw upon the stair at No.10,
    A little man who wasn't there
    He wasn't there again today
    Oh, how I wish he'd go away....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    edited 2:30PM
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The grammar in this is entirely effable, but it's a welcome British success.
    Though of course they had to get the funding from US venture cap.

    Sequoia (@sequoia) leading the largest European seed round of all time with $1B at $4B valuation.

    David Silver, one of Britain’s top AI researchers, left Google DeepMind late last year to launch the London-based start-up Ineffable Intelligence.

    He aims to build “superhuman intelligence”.

    Sequoia partners Alfred Lin and Sonya Huang flew to London to visit Silver after his departure, who is also a professor at University College London.

    https://x.com/etnshow/status/2024071567584469330

    i think its a bit early to call it a success. He is super talented guy who has raised money on a idea.
    Getting $1bn inward investment from the US is a success in itself, so no, I don't think it is.
    It hasn't been raised yet. Its a desire to raise that amount. Negotiations remain ongoing, and terms could shift. I am no doubt he will raise a significant amount, as I say the cofounders of OpenAI all got big raises, what they have achieved so far, less impressive.

    Remember OpenAI actually did a presser announcing with Nvidia $100bn, and that disappeared into the ether.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,824

    OT - I'm not sure there is too much value in the odds but when it comes to finishing last in parliamentary elections the Communist League is at a different level.

    Continuity Anti-Beeching Front.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,196

    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.

    Starmer is a lawyer, not a politician. More specifically, Starmer is a lawyer following the law, not a politician ducking responsibility, even if that is the more effective attack line. If the law says one thing, that is what Starmer thinks. If subsequently a court rules or a new legal opinion submitted, then that becomes what Starmer thinks.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,824

    OT - I'm not sure there is too much value in the odds but when it comes to finishing last in parliamentary elections the Communist League is at a different level.

    Continuity Anti-Beeching Front.
    Railway Defence League.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,069
    edited 2:36PM

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    Yet again they have failed to plan for the most predictable consequences of their actions. Anyone who has attended a first year undergraduate economics course knows that if you increase the price of something you reduce the demand for it. So of course minimum wages destroy low paying jobs and should be reduced or, better still, scrapped entirely. They also have more pernicious consequences, including administrative costs of meeting them, and destroying the link between productivity and pay, but those are slightly more difficult to grasp and if you can't even see the basic supply and demand point you won't grasp those.

    Anyway, the bunch of fuckwits that pass for this clown show of a government seem incapable of realising the most basic facts. In the meantime, business confidence has been damaged, investment has doubtless been delayed and lots of young adults have been thrown unnecessarily on the scrapheap.

    The sooner the current government replaces them there, the better.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,122

    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.

    Starmer is a lawyer, not a politician. More specifically, Starmer is a lawyer following the law, not a politician ducking responsibility, even if that is the more effective attack line. If the law says one thing, that is what Starmer thinks. If subsequently a court rules or a new legal opinion submitted, then that becomes what Starmer thinks.
    Which is utterly ridiculous. He is the PM with a huge majority in the House of Commons, he IS the law if he wants to be. Parliament is sovereign in the UK, the Lords cannot block legislation from the Commons in the end and the King will sign whatever Parliament passes into statute law and no court in the land can overrule what is in statute law
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    30% of Labour voters and 25% of Green voters and 45% of LDs would vote Tory in a seat where only Reform or the Conservatives could win on that new Yougov poll

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/54117-what-is-the-tactical-voting-landscape-in-february-2026?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=54117
    Indeed. Reform sweeping East Anglia as per MRPs looks a stretch.
    The number of left wing voters who would switch to the Conservatives, and the number of Conservative voters who would switch to Labour, under any circumstances, is miniscule. If Reform really do poll 29%, they will sweep East Anglia.
    45% of LDs and 30% of Labour voters being willing to tactically vote Tory to beat Reform with Yougov today is not miniscule it is nearly half of LD voters and nearly a third of Labour voters!
    If they really did cross the political divide, it would be big, but we know that in practice, they do not.

    We've tested it in 206 local by elections since May 2025. Reform have won 73 (35%) on 27% of the vote. The Conservatives have won 24 (12%) on 17% of the vote. If there were any evidence for left wingers for the Conservatives, we would expect it to show up in real votes.

    Tactical voting takes time to emerge; compare the 1983 and 1997 General Elections. At one the Alliance got a quarter of the votes, and about 3% of the seats. At the other they got half the proportion of votes, and twice the number of seats.

    And look at Scotland - first there was anti-Tory tactical voting, and then there was unionist tactical voting against the SNP.

    Of course, this cuts both ways too: if both Reform and the Conservatives survive as electoral forces, one would expect that -just as with the LibDems vs Labour- the number of seats where they are competing with each other will be very small.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,450
    Fishing said:

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    Yet again they have failed to plan for the most predictable consequences of their actions. Anyone who has attended a first year undergraduate economics course knows that if you increase the price of something you reduce the demand for it. So of course minimum wages destroy low paying jobs and should be reduced or, better still, scrapped entirely. They also have more pernicious consequences, including administrative costs of meeting them, and destroying the link between productivity and pay, but those are slightly more difficult to grasp and if you can't even see the basic supply and demand point you won't grasp those.

    Anyway, the bunch of fuckwits that pass for this clown show of a government seem incapable of realising the most basic facts. In the meantime, business confidence has been damaged, investment has doubtless been delayed and lots of young adults have been thrown unnecessarily on the scrapheap.

    The sooner the current government joins them, the better.
    Reducing or eliminating the minimum wage, ie making a not insignificant percentage of the population poorer is not a vote winner.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,122
    edited 2:38PM

    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    I see Reform are keeping the Triple Lock.

    Hey their voters (over 60, racist) must keep their sweeties -
    Reform voters are actually quite evenly distributed across ages groups (relative to voters, not population). Or at least they were at GE '24.

    It's the Conservatives who are intensely concentrated in the 60+ bracket.
    Probably the case for the fifteen percent who voted Reform in 2024. Now they're on thirtyish percent, and a lot of the switchers have been Con-to-Ref, so their age profile is skewed too.

    From this week's YouGov, since it's to hand:

    18-24: Con 7 Ref 6
    25-49: Con 16 Ref 17
    50-64: Con 18 Ref 33
    65+: Con 26 Ref 33

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/VotingIntention_MRP_Results_260216_w.pdf
    Yes, under Kemi Tory support amongst over 50s and pensioners in particular has collapsed to Reform.

    Though Kemi has made a few Tory gains amongst under 30s since 2024.

    Hence Reform is now a party with a bigger age gap amongst its supporters than the Tories
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268
    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    I'm not sure that's quite true: there were quite a lot of aviation industry startups in the UK in the First World War.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,122

    Fishing said:

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    Yet again they have failed to plan for the most predictable consequences of their actions. Anyone who has attended a first year undergraduate economics course knows that if you increase the price of something you reduce the demand for it. So of course minimum wages destroy low paying jobs and should be reduced or, better still, scrapped entirely. They also have more pernicious consequences, including administrative costs of meeting them, and destroying the link between productivity and pay, but those are slightly more difficult to grasp and if you can't even see the basic supply and demand point you won't grasp those.

    Anyway, the bunch of fuckwits that pass for this clown show of a government seem incapable of realising the most basic facts. In the meantime, business confidence has been damaged, investment has doubtless been delayed and lots of young adults have been thrown unnecessarily on the scrapheap.

    The sooner the current government joins them, the better.
    Reducing or eliminating the minimum wage, ie making a not insignificant percentage of the population poorer is not a vote winner.
    No more rises in it until unemployment falls significantly though should be the way forward
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,414

    Fishing said:

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    Yet again they have failed to plan for the most predictable consequences of their actions. Anyone who has attended a first year undergraduate economics course knows that if you increase the price of something you reduce the demand for it. So of course minimum wages destroy low paying jobs and should be reduced or, better still, scrapped entirely. They also have more pernicious consequences, including administrative costs of meeting them, and destroying the link between productivity and pay, but those are slightly more difficult to grasp and if you can't even see the basic supply and demand point you won't grasp those.

    Anyway, the bunch of fuckwits that pass for this clown show of a government seem incapable of realising the most basic facts. In the meantime, business confidence has been damaged, investment has doubtless been delayed and lots of young adults have been thrown unnecessarily on the scrapheap.

    The sooner the current government joins them, the better.
    Reducing or eliminating the minimum wage, ie making a not insignificant percentage of the population poorer is not a vote winner.
    There is a middle ground between reducing or eliminating the minimum wage, and increasing youth minimum wage at a considerably faster rate than regular minimum wage, at a time of a "crisis" of youth unemployment and a time of full regular employment.

    That's without considering jacking up considerably taxes like employers NICs that are solely a tax on salaried incomes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268
    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    So the Reform policy seems to be if you’re not a British national , have worked for years here , paid your taxes and then suddenly fall ill or lose your job you get zero benefits. If you’re a Brit whose done bugger all and sponged off the state for years then you’re fine , keep claiming benefits .

    Funnily the media seem to have ignored their major u turn on the child benefit cap . And seeing as this impacts one of their core voter demographics you’d think it would get some attention .

    Why should foreigners get benefits?
    If you’ve worked and paid your taxes why shouldn’t you .

    The policy is just more divide and rule from them . They really are a hateful bunch . This country is fxcked if they get in .
    I think part of the problem is that the UK doesn't really differentiate between immigrant and non-immigrant visas.

    The former allow one -over time- to become a British citizen, and have a path to Indefinite Leave to Remain, etc. The latter one is easier to get, but doesn't have that path.

    Most countries have that distinction. (And the UK does to an extent, with visas like the working holiday one that Australians used to take full advantage of.)

    Now, of course, people on non-immigrant visas meet and marry British people from time-to-time, so a chunk of people on non-immigrant visas woudl end up staying. But having such a distinction also the government a bit more control over numbers.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    One factor likely pushing up youth unemployment in the UK is AI take-up. I've seen an interesting chart showing the increase in youth unemployment is greater in countries like the UK with relatively high rates of AI adoption. Certainly makes sense with respect to the timing of the rise, which started two years before Labour came in and enacted all these supposed job destroying policies.
    The AI narrative is massive overstated at the moment. It doesn't really fit as it was shit 3 years ago and its still minor usage. I am as big a fan / user of AI as there is and I don't think it anywhere near there yet to making masses of people unemployed.

    Also yes been rising for 3-4 years, but there was big bump the last year. I think its much simpler, the economy hasn't been growing for years, things are tight, you don't hire as much, especially inexperienced*, and the current government have made that worse by tanking business confidence and raising taxes / minimum wage making the problem worse.

    * also I have heard from both those in academia and business that the cohort who came through under COVID are really lacking in many aspects.
    Calude Cowork is getting really good.
  • novanova Posts: 932
    Fishing said:

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    Yet again they have failed to plan for the most predictable consequences of their actions. Anyone who has attended a first year undergraduate economics course knows that if you increase the price of something you reduce the demand for it. So of course minimum wages destroy low paying jobs and should be reduced or, better still, scrapped entirely. They also have more pernicious consequences, including administrative costs of meeting them, and destroying the link between productivity and pay, but those are slightly more difficult to grasp and if you can't even see the basic supply and demand point you won't grasp those.

    Anyway, the bunch of fuckwits that pass for this clown show of a government seem incapable of realising the most basic facts. In the meantime, business confidence has been damaged, investment has doubtless been delayed and lots of young adults have been thrown unnecessarily on the scrapheap.

    The sooner the current government replaces them there, the better.
    That does sound like the first lecture in an undergraduate economics course.

    If you stay for week 2, they explain how things aren't quite so simple.

    By the end of the first year, you know why economics is a social science.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,815
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    I'm not sure that's quite true: there were quite a lot of aviation industry startups in the UK in the First World War.
    There is, these days, an enthusiastic revisionist industry claiming that the B.E.2 wasn’t that bad, and Sopwith was overrated.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,589
    So they weren’t joking about Taiwanese food. Just had some of the best noodles of my life at a random late night ramen bar

    There was a queue outside which provided a hint. But still. Fucking hell
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,652
    Leon said:

    Just realised I’m in a lesbian bar

    Getting your excuses in early…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,446
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    I'm not sure that's quite true: there were quite a lot of aviation industry startups in the UK in the First World War.
    I think there were a few electrical/electronic startups shortly after WWII which grew quite rapidly partly thanks to military spending (Decca Radar; Racal etc) ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,856
    edited 2:57PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Have the LDs ever finished last in a by-election where at least one minor/fringe candidate is standing?

    Yes, but not for a long time!

    They were second from bottom, beating UKIP, in Kingswood in 2024 and likewise before that in the 2011 Inverclyde by-election. They were second from bottom, beating the Green, in the 2014 Heywood and Middleton by-election.

    But keep going back and we get to the 2000 Falkirk West by-election. Lab, Con, SNP, LD and Scottish Socialist all stood, and the LD came bottom, beaten by the Scottish Socialist candidate. I think it's fair to call the Scottish Socialist Party a minor party?

    Alliance in Northern Ireland came last in the 2018 West Tyrone by-election, the 2013 Mid Ulster by-election and the 2011 Belfast West by-election, but those were without minor candidates. (Well, the last was with PPP, who beat the Alliance candidate, but I think I'd count them as a major party?)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,122
    'I see there's a piece in the Telegraph today attacking Restore Britain for our halal slaughter ban.

    Usual lines, usual insults. Don't care.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024063954566140052?s=20

    'A Restore Britain Government would hold a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty - for the most evil crimes, where the guilt is absolutely undeniable.

    Our members would be free to campaign how they choose in that referendum, but we believe that it should be put to the British people.

    I would personally be campaigning very much in favour.

    In my view, there is no absolutely zero benefit to keeping a monster like Axel Rudakubana alive.

    He butchered those beautiful young girls in cold blood.

    He does not deserve to live. Tragically, there are too many just like him.

    If the British people support the reintroduction of the death penalty in our referendum, a Restore Britain Government would put Rudakubana to death.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024114121021505812?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    edited 2:55PM
    rcs1000 said:

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    One factor likely pushing up youth unemployment in the UK is AI take-up. I've seen an interesting chart showing the increase in youth unemployment is greater in countries like the UK with relatively high rates of AI adoption. Certainly makes sense with respect to the timing of the rise, which started two years before Labour came in and enacted all these supposed job destroying policies.
    The AI narrative is massive overstated at the moment. It doesn't really fit as it was shit 3 years ago and its still minor usage. I am as big a fan / user of AI as there is and I don't think it anywhere near there yet to making masses of people unemployed.

    Also yes been rising for 3-4 years, but there was big bump the last year. I think its much simpler, the economy hasn't been growing for years, things are tight, you don't hire as much, especially inexperienced*, and the current government have made that worse by tanking business confidence and raising taxes / minimum wage making the problem worse.

    * also I have heard from both those in academia and business that the cohort who came through under COVID are really lacking in many aspects.
    Calude Cowork is getting really good.
    As far as I understand it is just a nice wrapper around Claude Code to make it easier for the less terminal ninjas of the world to use the functionality. I use Claude Code extensively.

    There is one big drawback with Cowork, no memory between sessions. The beauty of Claude Code is the that ability to pick things back up again, and if you actually get it to write a work in progress doc in markdown / latex, it is even better.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    I'm not sure that's quite true: there were quite a lot of aviation industry startups in the UK in the First World War.
    There is, these days, an enthusiastic revisionist industry claiming that the B.E.2 wasn’t that bad, and Sopwith was overrated.
    Presumably by people who have never even heard of -let alone read- the the Pemberton-Billing debates.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268

    rcs1000 said:

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    One factor likely pushing up youth unemployment in the UK is AI take-up. I've seen an interesting chart showing the increase in youth unemployment is greater in countries like the UK with relatively high rates of AI adoption. Certainly makes sense with respect to the timing of the rise, which started two years before Labour came in and enacted all these supposed job destroying policies.
    The AI narrative is massive overstated at the moment. It doesn't really fit as it was shit 3 years ago and its still minor usage. I am as big a fan / user of AI as there is and I don't think it anywhere near there yet to making masses of people unemployed.

    Also yes been rising for 3-4 years, but there was big bump the last year. I think its much simpler, the economy hasn't been growing for years, things are tight, you don't hire as much, especially inexperienced*, and the current government have made that worse by tanking business confidence and raising taxes / minimum wage making the problem worse.

    * also I have heard from both those in academia and business that the cohort who came through under COVID are really lacking in many aspects.
    Calude Cowork is getting really good.
    As far as I understand it is just a nice wrapper around Claude Code to make it easier for the less terminal ninjas of the world to use the functionality. I use Claude Code extensively.

    There is one big drawback with Cowork, no memory between sessions.
    That's sort of true: however, you can -and I do- instruct it to keep a markdown file, where it notes the task at hand, etc. A lot of smart LLM usage is simply making sure the context window contains the most important stuff.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 551
    HYUFD said:

    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.

    Starmer is a lawyer, not a politician. More specifically, Starmer is a lawyer following the law, not a politician ducking responsibility, even if that is the more effective attack line. If the law says one thing, that is what Starmer thinks. If subsequently a court rules or a new legal opinion submitted, then that becomes what Starmer thinks.
    Which is utterly ridiculous. He is the PM with a huge majority in the House of Commons, he IS the law if he wants to be. Parliament is sovereign in the UK, the Lords cannot block legislation from the Commons in the end and the King will sign whatever Parliament passes into statute law and no court in the land can overrule what is in statute law
    Like he correctly said.

    Starmer is a lawyer first second third.

    He isn't a politician.

    That is deemed to be a weakness.

    After Boris it should be deemed a strength.

    The problem Starmer has is that from day1, 90% of the UK media fully paid up uneqivical Tory supporting and not questioning of Reform were out to get him.

    He hasn't helped himself.

    A more street wise and less inherently polite and decent man would have fired back with both barrels.



  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,647
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    30% of Labour voters and 25% of Green voters and 45% of LDs would vote Tory in a seat where only Reform or the Conservatives could win on that new Yougov poll

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/54117-what-is-the-tactical-voting-landscape-in-february-2026?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=54117
    Indeed. Reform sweeping East Anglia as per MRPs looks a stretch.
    The number of left wing voters who would switch to the Conservatives, and the number of Conservative voters who would switch to Labour, under any circumstances, is miniscule. If Reform really do poll 29%, they will sweep East Anglia.
    45% of LDs and 30% of Labour voters being willing to tactically vote Tory to beat Reform with Yougov today is not miniscule it is nearly half of LD voters and nearly a third of Labour voters!
    If they really did cross the political divide, it would be big, but we know that in practice, they do not.

    We've tested it in 206 local by elections since May 2025. Reform have won 73 (35%) on 27% of the vote. The Conservatives have won 24 (12%) on 17% of the vote. If there were any evidence for left wingers for the Conservatives, we would expect it to show up in real votes.

    Tactical voting takes time to emerge; compare the 1983 and 1997 General Elections. At one the Alliance got a quarter of the votes, and about 3% of the seats. At the other they got half the proportion of votes, and twice the number of seats.

    And look at Scotland - first there was anti-Tory tactical voting, and then there was unionist tactical voting against the SNP.

    Of course, this cuts both ways too: if both Reform and the Conservatives survive as electoral forces, one would expect that -just as with the LibDems vs Labour- the number of seats where they are competing with each other will be very small.
    The catch is that sorting like that tends to take time- both for the voters to work it out, but also for the parties. The Lib Dem map in 2024 is a thing of beauty in its coherence, but it didn't happen overnight.

    Can Reform and Conservative do something similar? Perhaps, though it's not obvious what the basis of the division would be. How should a Reform constituency look different to a Conservative one? What shop- like Gail's- works as an indicator species? On top of which, neither party seems to be in the mood to accept the status of 'significant but junior member of our bloc'. As long as each one thinks it can beat the other, they are more likely to fight each other to a standstill- 1983 flipped in the mirror, so to speak.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,869
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2021:

    9,710 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    6,913 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    In 2025:

    12,316 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    20,807 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    No wonder UK grads now finish university, do two years on the job training as foundation doctors and then end up unemployed.

    Number of grad applications though increased for both UK and overseas applicants but the number of doctor and consultant training places hasn't. There are only 12,000 such training places a year and only 23% of overseas applicants are successful compared to 69% of UK applicants


    https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/imgs-increasingly-relinquishing-medical-licences-finds-gmc
    Yes, but that means 5 000 successful IMG applications out of 12 807 places, so over a 3rd of ST places go to IMGs.
    Yes but given the majority of applications are from overseas now that is a far lower success rate for ST places than UK applicants
    That isn’t the point. The point is that we (i.e. the country) have paid a lot of money to train our best and brightest as doctors to leave them unemployed. That’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
    So ban immigrants from overseas taking medical jobs then I presume, British doctor jobs for only British medical grads! Nige and Rupert would be proud of you!
    Alternatively, give anyone graduating from a U.K. university absolute priority for a training place.
    Which is effectively the same thing, given there are 12,316 UK medical grad applicants and only 12,000 training places available
    Some applicants will apply for more than one training programme so not quite
    'The government has put an offer to the British Medical Association (BMA) that would put in place emergency legislation for UK and Republic of Ireland medical graduates and doctors who have worked in the NHS for a significant period of time to be prioritised for specialty training and tackling bottlenecks through an overhaul of recruitment for medical training. Should the BMA accept this offer, the government will accelerate plans to prioritise these medics, addressing the current system that has led to soaring competition ratios - with current applicants set to benefit from the 2026 intake.

    Other measures in the offer include:

    creating 4,000 more specialty training places, with 1,000 of these brought forward to this year
    cost-related measures, such as reimbursement for exam fees, to address the unique costs that resident doctors face
    increasing the less-than-full-time allowance by 50% to £1,500'
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-places#:~:text=Press release-,Government to prioritise UK medical graduates for training places,MP Published 10 December 2025
    Not sure the BMA will approve of that particular use of Brexit Freedoms. I wonder if it's open to legal challenge from settled status EU citizens.
    Would it be based on UK and Irish citizenship, or UK and Irish Universities?

    If a settled status EU citizen went into a British Uni, then they'd be counted within the 12,316 UK medical grad applicants surely?
    If a UK citizen has not been resident in the UK for three years before, they pay overseas fees at university. So, would they be counted or not?
    As I've discovered with my daughter's applications, it's complicated! Edinburgh just asked for a full list of dates she's been in the UK in the last 10 years, and the email contains the line "we're not asking for tickets at this stage".

    I mean... what?
    You will have to pay regardless
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ministers may slow youth minimum wage rise amid UK unemployment fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/18/ministers-may-slow-youth-minimum-wage-rise-uk-unemployment-fears

    U-Turn #2565465 incoming. By "slow" they mean kick so far into the long grass. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

    One factor likely pushing up youth unemployment in the UK is AI take-up. I've seen an interesting chart showing the increase in youth unemployment is greater in countries like the UK with relatively high rates of AI adoption. Certainly makes sense with respect to the timing of the rise, which started two years before Labour came in and enacted all these supposed job destroying policies.
    The AI narrative is massive overstated at the moment. It doesn't really fit as it was shit 3 years ago and its still minor usage. I am as big a fan / user of AI as there is and I don't think it anywhere near there yet to making masses of people unemployed.

    Also yes been rising for 3-4 years, but there was big bump the last year. I think its much simpler, the economy hasn't been growing for years, things are tight, you don't hire as much, especially inexperienced*, and the current government have made that worse by tanking business confidence and raising taxes / minimum wage making the problem worse.

    * also I have heard from both those in academia and business that the cohort who came through under COVID are really lacking in many aspects.
    Calude Cowork is getting really good.
    As far as I understand it is just a nice wrapper around Claude Code to make it easier for the less terminal ninjas of the world to use the functionality. I use Claude Code extensively.

    There is one big drawback with Cowork, no memory between sessions.
    That's sort of true: however, you can -and I do- instruct it to keep a markdown file, where it notes the task at hand, etc. A lot of smart LLM usage is simply making sure the context window contains the most important stuff.
    The plugins feature is nice. I am not sure why they haven't made the app do both, have the UI, have ability to add the plugins, setup general use of life stuff, but then the ability to open a terminal and bring all that with you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,122
    edited 3:01PM
    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sir Keir said: 'Well, I think it's important to remind ourselves that the decision to cancel was a locally led decision, in the sense that each authority could decide. 'In relation to the position, we took further legal advice and, as you would expect as a Government, having got further legal advice, we followed that legal advice.'

    It wasn't me, never crossed my desk, barely knew anything about it.

    Starmer is a lawyer, not a politician. More specifically, Starmer is a lawyer following the law, not a politician ducking responsibility, even if that is the more effective attack line. If the law says one thing, that is what Starmer thinks. If subsequently a court rules or a new legal opinion submitted, then that becomes what Starmer thinks.
    Which is utterly ridiculous. He is the PM with a huge majority in the House of Commons, he IS the law if he wants to be. Parliament is sovereign in the UK, the Lords cannot block legislation from the Commons in the end and the King will sign whatever Parliament passes into statute law and no court in the land can overrule what is in statute law
    Like he correctly said.

    Starmer is a lawyer first second third.

    He isn't a politician.

    That is deemed to be a weakness.

    After Boris it should be deemed a strength.

    The problem Starmer has is that from day1, 90% of the UK media fully paid up uneqivical Tory supporting and not questioning of Reform were out to get him.

    He hasn't helped himself.

    A more street wise and less inherently polite and decent man would have fired back with both barrels.



    A PM can employ a top lawyer to advise him, the PM though is a politician ultimately not a lawyer and making decisions and policy and indeed law with some decisiveness, something SKS seems incapable of
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,815
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    I'm not sure that's quite true: there were quite a lot of aviation industry startups in the UK in the First World War.
    There is, these days, an enthusiastic revisionist industry claiming that the B.E.2 wasn’t that bad, and Sopwith was overrated.
    Presumably by people who have never even heard of -let alone read- the the Pemberton-Billing debates.
    Rather like the R101 apologists - they have elaborate arguments for why total failure was actually not that bad.

    Sopwith managed to make components so interchangeable, that some apprentices accidentally attached the wrong wings to aircraft. In 1918.

    Compare that to the Nimrod ASW farce. 100 years later.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,565

    Andy_JS said:

    Have the LDs ever finished last in a by-election where at least one minor/fringe candidate is standing?

    Yes, but not for a long time!

    They were second from bottom, beating UKIP, in Kingswood in 2024 and likewise before that in the 2011 Inverclyde by-election. They were second from bottom, beating the Green, in the 2014 Heywood and Middleton by-election. The 2002 Ogmore by-election saw only Lab, Con, Plaid and the LibDems stand, and the LibDems beat the Tory.

    But keep going back and we get to the 2000 Falkirk West by-election. Lab, Con, SNP, LD and Scottish Socialist all stood, and the LD came bottom, beaten by the Scottish Socialist candidate. I think it's fair to call the Scottish Socialist Party a minor party?

    Alliance in Northern Ireland came last in the 2018 West Tyrone by-election, the 2013 Mid Ulster by-election and the 2011 Belfast West by-election, but those were without minor candidates. (Well, the last was with PPP, who beat the Alliance candidate, but I think I'd count them as a major party?)
    Tamworth 2023 saw them behind UKIP and Britain First but ahead of Loonies and an indy (and equal with Greens)

    Rotherham 2012 they finishrd behind UKIP, Respect, BNP , English Democrats and an Indy but ahead of TUSC and another Indy

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,824

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    I'm not sure that's quite true: there were quite a lot of aviation industry startups in the UK in the First World War.
    There is, these days, an enthusiastic revisionist industry claiming that the B.E.2 wasn’t that bad, and Sopwith was overrated.
    Presumably by people who have never even heard of -let alone read- the the Pemberton-Billing debates.
    Rather like the R101 apologists - they have elaborate arguments for why total failure was actually not that bad.

    Sopwith managed to make components so interchangeable, that some apprentices accidentally attached the wrong wings to aircraft. In 1918.

    Compare that to the Nimrod ASW farce. 100 years later.
    Despite their heroic defence of St Matthews station, saving it from the bulldozers, the original Anti-Beeching Front was wound up in the 1960s after allegedly abandoning the Trainspotting Community - a charge they deny. Graffiti appeared in rail enthusiast neighbourhoods such as "ABF - A Bloody Failure". An order was given to "dump arms", but volunteers mistakenly interpreted it as an order to take a dump at their nearest station toilets!

    However, a hard-core group decided to perpetuate the struggle, albeit covertly, as the Continuity ABF, vowing to carry on its campaign of Physical Force Trainspotting!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,744
    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2021:

    9,710 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    6,913 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    In 2025:

    12,316 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    20,807 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    No wonder UK grads now finish university, do two years on the job training as foundation doctors and then end up unemployed.

    Number of grad applications though increased for both UK and overseas applicants but the number of doctor and consultant training places hasn't. There are only 12,000 such training places a year and only 23% of overseas applicants are successful compared to 69% of UK applicants


    https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/imgs-increasingly-relinquishing-medical-licences-finds-gmc
    Yes, but that means 5 000 successful IMG applications out of 12 807 places, so over a 3rd of ST places go to IMGs.
    Yes but given the majority of applications are from overseas now that is a far lower success rate for ST places than UK applicants
    That isn’t the point. The point is that we (i.e. the country) have paid a lot of money to train our best and brightest as doctors to leave them unemployed. That’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
    So ban immigrants from overseas taking medical jobs then I presume, British doctor jobs for only British medical grads! Nige and Rupert would be proud of you!
    Alternatively, give anyone graduating from a U.K. university absolute priority for a training place.
    Which is effectively the same thing, given there are 12,316 UK medical grad applicants and only 12,000 training places available
    Some applicants will apply for more than one training programme so not quite
    'The government has put an offer to the British Medical Association (BMA) that would put in place emergency legislation for UK and Republic of Ireland medical graduates and doctors who have worked in the NHS for a significant period of time to be prioritised for specialty training and tackling bottlenecks through an overhaul of recruitment for medical training. Should the BMA accept this offer, the government will accelerate plans to prioritise these medics, addressing the current system that has led to soaring competition ratios - with current applicants set to benefit from the 2026 intake.

    Other measures in the offer include:

    creating 4,000 more specialty training places, with 1,000 of these brought forward to this year
    cost-related measures, such as reimbursement for exam fees, to address the unique costs that resident doctors face
    increasing the less-than-full-time allowance by 50% to £1,500'
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-places#:~:text=Press release-,Government to prioritise UK medical graduates for training places,MP Published 10 December 2025
    Not sure the BMA will approve of that particular use of Brexit Freedoms. I wonder if it's open to legal challenge from settled status EU citizens.
    Would it be based on UK and Irish citizenship, or UK and Irish Universities?

    If a settled status EU citizen went into a British Uni, then they'd be counted within the 12,316 UK medical grad applicants surely?
    If a UK citizen has not been resident in the UK for three years before, they pay overseas fees at university. So, would they be counted or not?
    As I've discovered with my daughter's applications, it's complicated! Edinburgh just asked for a full list of dates she's been in the UK in the last 10 years, and the email contains the line "we're not asking for tickets at this stage".

    I mean... what?
    You will have to pay regardless
    My half-Thai, half British grandchildren are at/applying to Australian universities. Much more financially appealing, apparently, than British ones.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268
    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2021:

    9,710 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    6,913 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    In 2025:

    12,316 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    20,807 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    No wonder UK grads now finish university, do two years on the job training as foundation doctors and then end up unemployed.

    Number of grad applications though increased for both UK and overseas applicants but the number of doctor and consultant training places hasn't. There are only 12,000 such training places a year and only 23% of overseas applicants are successful compared to 69% of UK applicants


    https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/imgs-increasingly-relinquishing-medical-licences-finds-gmc
    Yes, but that means 5 000 successful IMG applications out of 12 807 places, so over a 3rd of ST places go to IMGs.
    Yes but given the majority of applications are from overseas now that is a far lower success rate for ST places than UK applicants
    That isn’t the point. The point is that we (i.e. the country) have paid a lot of money to train our best and brightest as doctors to leave them unemployed. That’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
    So ban immigrants from overseas taking medical jobs then I presume, British doctor jobs for only British medical grads! Nige and Rupert would be proud of you!
    Alternatively, give anyone graduating from a U.K. university absolute priority for a training place.
    Which is effectively the same thing, given there are 12,316 UK medical grad applicants and only 12,000 training places available
    Some applicants will apply for more than one training programme so not quite
    'The government has put an offer to the British Medical Association (BMA) that would put in place emergency legislation for UK and Republic of Ireland medical graduates and doctors who have worked in the NHS for a significant period of time to be prioritised for specialty training and tackling bottlenecks through an overhaul of recruitment for medical training. Should the BMA accept this offer, the government will accelerate plans to prioritise these medics, addressing the current system that has led to soaring competition ratios - with current applicants set to benefit from the 2026 intake.

    Other measures in the offer include:

    creating 4,000 more specialty training places, with 1,000 of these brought forward to this year
    cost-related measures, such as reimbursement for exam fees, to address the unique costs that resident doctors face
    increasing the less-than-full-time allowance by 50% to £1,500'
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-places#:~:text=Press release-,Government to prioritise UK medical graduates for training places,MP Published 10 December 2025
    Not sure the BMA will approve of that particular use of Brexit Freedoms. I wonder if it's open to legal challenge from settled status EU citizens.
    Would it be based on UK and Irish citizenship, or UK and Irish Universities?

    If a settled status EU citizen went into a British Uni, then they'd be counted within the 12,316 UK medical grad applicants surely?
    If a UK citizen has not been resident in the UK for three years before, they pay overseas fees at university. So, would they be counted or not?
    As I've discovered with my daughter's applications, it's complicated! Edinburgh just asked for a full list of dates she's been in the UK in the last 10 years, and the email contains the line "we're not asking for tickets at this stage".

    I mean... what?
    You will have to pay regardless
    I know.

    And I showed her Trainspotting last night, so she knows what the locals are like.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,815

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Rachel Reeves has ruled out an increase in defence spending this year after coming under pressure from military chiefs. On Wednesday, the Chancellor said the Ministry of Defence (MoD) would have to wait for “future spending reviews” before pouring billions more into Britain’s military.

    Battle ready by 2034 3034....

    As always, there needs to be a differentiation between military spending and military capability.

    There’s never been a startup disruptive arms industry until now, and the government needs to start taking advantage of that rather than pouring endless billions into the same old military industrial complex. War spending priorities rather than peace spending priorities.
    I'm not sure that's quite true: there were quite a lot of aviation industry startups in the UK in the First World War.
    There is, these days, an enthusiastic revisionist industry claiming that the B.E.2 wasn’t that bad, and Sopwith was overrated.
    Presumably by people who have never even heard of -let alone read- the the Pemberton-Billing debates.
    Rather like the R101 apologists - they have elaborate arguments for why total failure was actually not that bad.

    Sopwith managed to make components so interchangeable, that some apprentices accidentally attached the wrong wings to aircraft. In 1918.

    Compare that to the Nimrod ASW farce. 100 years later.
    Despite their heroic defence of St Matthews station, saving it from the bulldozers, the original Anti-Beeching Front was wound up in the 1960s after allegedly abandoning the Trainspotting Community - a charge they deny. Graffiti appeared in rail enthusiast neighbourhoods such as "ABF - A Bloody Failure". An order was given to "dump arms", but volunteers mistakenly interpreted it as an order to take a dump at their nearest station toilets!

    However, a hard-core group decided to perpetuate the struggle, albeit covertly, as the Continuity ABF, vowing to carry on its campaign of Physical Force Trainspotting!
    What about the Real ABF, and their splinter group The Really Real ABF and *their* splinter group The Really Real, Keepin’ It Real ABF?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,989

    A beautiful bromance between a meth addict and a gym bunny with a literal brain worm. Is this the cultural and civilisational renaissance Europe is supposed to join in?

    https://x.com/seckennedy/status/2023860472026669400?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What about "Keep a journal of the tens of women you've cheated on your wife with this year?"

    https://www.thelist.com/1776728/rfk-jr-relationship-history-before-wife-cheryl-hines/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,446
    edited 3:10PM
    HYUFD said:

    'I see there's a piece in the Telegraph today attacking Restore Britain for our halal slaughter ban.

    Usual lines, usual insults. Don't care.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024063954566140052?s=20

    'A Restore Britain Government would hold a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty - for the most evil crimes, where the guilt is absolutely undeniable.

    Our members would be free to campaign how they choose in that referendum, but we believe that it should be put to the British people.

    I would personally be campaigning very much in favour.

    In my view, there is no absolutely zero benefit to keeping a monster like Axel Rudakubana alive.

    He butchered those beautiful young girls in cold blood.

    He does not deserve to live. Tragically, there are too many just like him.

    If the British people support the reintroduction of the death penalty in our referendum, a Restore Britain Government would put Rudakubana to death.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024114121021505812?s=20


    How many supporters of the death penalty believe that introducing retrospective sentencing for individuals selected by politicians would be a good idea ?
    Seems like a very dangerous precedent to me.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,473

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Taiwan is fucking cool

    Probably the best place I've visited. September 2012, 4 days.
    A long way to go for 4 days
    I had a work trip to South Africa where I was in the country for under 24 hours. I spent longer in the air.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,989
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'I see there's a piece in the Telegraph today attacking Restore Britain for our halal slaughter ban.

    Usual lines, usual insults. Don't care.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024063954566140052?s=20

    'A Restore Britain Government would hold a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty - for the most evil crimes, where the guilt is absolutely undeniable.

    Our members would be free to campaign how they choose in that referendum, but we believe that it should be put to the British people.

    I would personally be campaigning very much in favour.

    In my view, there is no absolutely zero benefit to keeping a monster like Axel Rudakubana alive.

    He butchered those beautiful young girls in cold blood.

    He does not deserve to live. Tragically, there are too many just like him.

    If the British people support the reintroduction of the death penalty in our referendum, a Restore Britain Government would put Rudakubana to death.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024114121021505812?s=20

    Here's the thing: some of the worst miscarriages of justice have happened when everybody was absolutely certain of the guilt of the accused.
    Needs to be asked: would you execute Lucy Letby?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,268

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'I see there's a piece in the Telegraph today attacking Restore Britain for our halal slaughter ban.

    Usual lines, usual insults. Don't care.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024063954566140052?s=20

    'A Restore Britain Government would hold a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty - for the most evil crimes, where the guilt is absolutely undeniable.

    Our members would be free to campaign how they choose in that referendum, but we believe that it should be put to the British people.

    I would personally be campaigning very much in favour.

    In my view, there is no absolutely zero benefit to keeping a monster like Axel Rudakubana alive.

    He butchered those beautiful young girls in cold blood.

    He does not deserve to live. Tragically, there are too many just like him.

    If the British people support the reintroduction of the death penalty in our referendum, a Restore Britain Government would put Rudakubana to death.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024114121021505812?s=20

    Here's the thing: some of the worst miscarriages of justice have happened when everybody was absolutely certain of the guilt of the accused.
    Needs to be asked: would you execute Lucy Letby?
    Well yes: the Revolution needs a martyr, and who is better suited for the role?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,084
    edited 3:16PM

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Taiwan is fucking cool

    Probably the best place I've visited. September 2012, 4 days.
    A long way to go for 4 days
    I had a work trip to South Africa where I was in the country for under 24 hours. I spent longer in the air.
    I once sat by a guy on a plane, his job involved Dublin -> London -> Miami -> Dallas -> Miami -> London -> Dublin , meeting in each of those locations on concurrent days...once a week every single month.

    He was in cattle class on the Miami to London after a mix up, he was not a happy chappy. Even less so when I started chatting to him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,989
    edited 3:16PM

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Taiwan is fucking cool

    Probably the best place I've visited. September 2012, 4 days.
    A long way to go for 4 days
    I had a work trip to South Africa where I was in the country for under 24 hours. I spent longer in the air.
    Pah! I once went to Perth, WA to bollock somebody, then came home that night.

    It worked. They stopped sending us invoices for tens of millions were were never going to pay.

    I also went to Trinidad for less than a day. (It was very shortly after Lady Diana had been killed/died. I was inundated with people wanting me to take flowers to Buck House.)
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,331
    3 local by-elections tomorrow; Lab defences in Caerphilly and Leicester, Ind elected as Lab defence in Redcar and Cleveland.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,527
    edited 3:19PM
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'I see there's a piece in the Telegraph today attacking Restore Britain for our halal slaughter ban.

    Usual lines, usual insults. Don't care.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024063954566140052?s=20

    'A Restore Britain Government would hold a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty - for the most evil crimes, where the guilt is absolutely undeniable.

    Our members would be free to campaign how they choose in that referendum, but we believe that it should be put to the British people.

    I would personally be campaigning very much in favour.

    In my view, there is no absolutely zero benefit to keeping a monster like Axel Rudakubana alive.

    He butchered those beautiful young girls in cold blood.

    He does not deserve to live. Tragically, there are too many just like him.

    If the British people support the reintroduction of the death penalty in our referendum, a Restore Britain Government would put Rudakubana to death.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024114121021505812?s=20

    Here's the thing: some of the worst miscarriages of justice have happened when everybody was absolutely certain of the guilt of the accused.
    Then you get into arguments over who deserves to die, and who doesn't, and unless you're willing to execute hundreds of people each year, it all becomes pretty arbitrary. And, in my experience, the typical murderer is not irredeemably evil (conversely, there are non-murderers who are irredeemably evil.)

    I see no point in sparing traitors in time of war, or war criminals in its immediate aftermath, (and in such cases, there will rarely be any doubt about guilt), but the death penalty in peacetime is more trouble than it is worth.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,941
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'I see there's a piece in the Telegraph today attacking Restore Britain for our halal slaughter ban.

    Usual lines, usual insults. Don't care.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024063954566140052?s=20

    'A Restore Britain Government would hold a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty - for the most evil crimes, where the guilt is absolutely undeniable.

    Our members would be free to campaign how they choose in that referendum, but we believe that it should be put to the British people.

    I would personally be campaigning very much in favour.

    In my view, there is no absolutely zero benefit to keeping a monster like Axel Rudakubana alive.

    He butchered those beautiful young girls in cold blood.

    He does not deserve to live. Tragically, there are too many just like him.

    If the British people support the reintroduction of the death penalty in our referendum, a Restore Britain Government would put Rudakubana to death.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024114121021505812?s=20

    Here's the thing: some of the worst miscarriages of justice have happened when everybody was absolutely certain of the guilt of the accused.
    Not doubting you but some examples? I think the 'Let him have it' case is often raised. Were people convinced of the Birmingham Six? It is tough to be absolutely certain for a lot of cases, for sure, but take the guy at Southport, apprehended at the scene. No doubt he did it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,941
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'I see there's a piece in the Telegraph today attacking Restore Britain for our halal slaughter ban.

    Usual lines, usual insults. Don't care.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024063954566140052?s=20

    'A Restore Britain Government would hold a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty - for the most evil crimes, where the guilt is absolutely undeniable.

    Our members would be free to campaign how they choose in that referendum, but we believe that it should be put to the British people.

    I would personally be campaigning very much in favour.

    In my view, there is no absolutely zero benefit to keeping a monster like Axel Rudakubana alive.

    He butchered those beautiful young girls in cold blood.

    He does not deserve to live. Tragically, there are too many just like him.

    If the British people support the reintroduction of the death penalty in our referendum, a Restore Britain Government would put Rudakubana to death.'
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2024114121021505812?s=20

    Here's the thing: some of the worst miscarriages of justice have happened when everybody was absolutely certain of the guilt of the accused.
    Then you get into arguments over who deserves to die, and who doesn't, and unless you're willing to execute hundreds of people each year, it all becomes pretty arbitrary. And, in my experience, the typical murderer is not irredeemably evil (conversely, there are non-murderers who are irredeemably evil.)

    I see no point in sparing traitors in time of war, or war criminals in its immediate aftermath, (and in such cases, there will rarely be any doubt about guilt), but the death penalty in peacetime is more trouble than it is worth.
    I'm not actually in favour of the death penalty, but I would make suicide an option for prisoners. I don't see why we should feed, clothe, keep them warm etc for the next 30-40 years.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,869
    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2021:

    9,710 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    6,913 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    In 2025:

    12,316 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    20,807 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    No wonder UK grads now finish university, do two years on the job training as foundation doctors and then end up unemployed.

    Number of grad applications though increased for both UK and overseas applicants but the number of doctor and consultant training places hasn't. There are only 12,000 such training places a year and only 23% of overseas applicants are successful compared to 69% of UK applicants


    https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/imgs-increasingly-relinquishing-medical-licences-finds-gmc
    Yes, but that means 5 000 successful IMG applications out of 12 807 places, so over a 3rd of ST places go to IMGs.
    Yes but given the majority of applications are from overseas now that is a far lower success rate for ST places than UK applicants
    That isn’t the point. The point is that we (i.e. the country) have paid a lot of money to train our best and brightest as doctors to leave them unemployed. That’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
    So ban immigrants from overseas taking medical jobs then I presume, British doctor jobs for only British medical grads! Nige and Rupert would be proud of you!
    Alternatively, give anyone graduating from a U.K. university absolute priority for a training place.
    Which is effectively the same thing, given there are 12,316 UK medical grad applicants and only 12,000 training places available
    Some applicants will apply for more than one training programme so not quite
    'The government has put an offer to the British Medical Association (BMA) that would put in place emergency legislation for UK and Republic of Ireland medical graduates and doctors who have worked in the NHS for a significant period of time to be prioritised for specialty training and tackling bottlenecks through an overhaul of recruitment for medical training. Should the BMA accept this offer, the government will accelerate plans to prioritise these medics, addressing the current system that has led to soaring competition ratios - with current applicants set to benefit from the 2026 intake.

    Other measures in the offer include:

    creating 4,000 more specialty training places, with 1,000 of these brought forward to this year
    cost-related measures, such as reimbursement for exam fees, to address the unique costs that resident doctors face
    increasing the less-than-full-time allowance by 50% to £1,500'
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-places#:~:text=Press release-,Government to prioritise UK medical graduates for training places,MP Published 10 December 2025
    Not sure the BMA will approve of that particular use of Brexit Freedoms. I wonder if it's open to legal challenge from settled status EU citizens.
    Would it be based on UK and Irish citizenship, or UK and Irish Universities?

    If a settled status EU citizen went into a British Uni, then they'd be counted within the 12,316 UK medical grad applicants surely?
    If a UK citizen has not been resident in the UK for three years before, they pay overseas fees at university. So, would they be counted or not?
    As I've discovered with my daughter's applications, it's complicated! Edinburgh just asked for a full list of dates she's been in the UK in the last 10 years, and the email contains the line "we're not asking for tickets at this stage".

    I mean... what?
    You will have to pay regardless
    I know.

    And I showed her Trainspotting last night, so she knows what the locals are like.
    I am sure she will avoid those areas for sure, certainly brilliant for good pubs and restaurants in the better parts.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,869

    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2021:

    9,710 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    6,913 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    In 2025:

    12,316 UK medical graduate applications to specialty training programmes.

    20,807 International medical graduate applications to speciality training programmes.

    No wonder UK grads now finish university, do two years on the job training as foundation doctors and then end up unemployed.

    Number of grad applications though increased for both UK and overseas applicants but the number of doctor and consultant training places hasn't. There are only 12,000 such training places a year and only 23% of overseas applicants are successful compared to 69% of UK applicants


    https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/imgs-increasingly-relinquishing-medical-licences-finds-gmc
    Yes, but that means 5 000 successful IMG applications out of 12 807 places, so over a 3rd of ST places go to IMGs.
    Yes but given the majority of applications are from overseas now that is a far lower success rate for ST places than UK applicants
    That isn’t the point. The point is that we (i.e. the country) have paid a lot of money to train our best and brightest as doctors to leave them unemployed. That’s a ridiculous state of affairs.
    So ban immigrants from overseas taking medical jobs then I presume, British doctor jobs for only British medical grads! Nige and Rupert would be proud of you!
    Alternatively, give anyone graduating from a U.K. university absolute priority for a training place.
    Which is effectively the same thing, given there are 12,316 UK medical grad applicants and only 12,000 training places available
    Some applicants will apply for more than one training programme so not quite
    'The government has put an offer to the British Medical Association (BMA) that would put in place emergency legislation for UK and Republic of Ireland medical graduates and doctors who have worked in the NHS for a significant period of time to be prioritised for specialty training and tackling bottlenecks through an overhaul of recruitment for medical training. Should the BMA accept this offer, the government will accelerate plans to prioritise these medics, addressing the current system that has led to soaring competition ratios - with current applicants set to benefit from the 2026 intake.

    Other measures in the offer include:

    creating 4,000 more specialty training places, with 1,000 of these brought forward to this year
    cost-related measures, such as reimbursement for exam fees, to address the unique costs that resident doctors face
    increasing the less-than-full-time allowance by 50% to £1,500'
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-prioritise-uk-medical-graduates-for-training-places#:~:text=Press release-,Government to prioritise UK medical graduates for training places,MP Published 10 December 2025
    Not sure the BMA will approve of that particular use of Brexit Freedoms. I wonder if it's open to legal challenge from settled status EU citizens.
    Would it be based on UK and Irish citizenship, or UK and Irish Universities?

    If a settled status EU citizen went into a British Uni, then they'd be counted within the 12,316 UK medical grad applicants surely?
    If a UK citizen has not been resident in the UK for three years before, they pay overseas fees at university. So, would they be counted or not?
    As I've discovered with my daughter's applications, it's complicated! Edinburgh just asked for a full list of dates she's been in the UK in the last 10 years, and the email contains the line "we're not asking for tickets at this stage".

    I mean... what?
    You will have to pay regardless
    My half-Thai, half British grandchildren are at/applying to Australian universities. Much more financially appealing, apparently, than British ones.
    Will not be as pleasant as Edinburgh OKC. Especially given RCS is loaded and can afford to indulge her.
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