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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381

    Selebian said:

    What's with the proliferation of R parties? Are Nominet running a sale on domain names starting with R or something?

    Action term demonstrating purpose
    Positive achievement of a new and better state, often linked to reversal of decline

    Renew
    Reclaim
    Restore
    Reform
    Return
    Reduce
    Reuse
    Recycle
    Those still all represent positive actions to achieve a better state… may be less appropriate for a political party, mind
    Rebarbative retrograde remonstrators.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,646
    edited February 15
    wokeandwoofing
    @wokeandwoofing
    ·
    4h
    I'm doing a modern remake of 'Mrs Doubtfire' where the Daniel character doesn't use any prosthetics or wigs and just changes his pronouns. Everyone goes along with it except the mother, who protests. She's branded Transphobic and Daniel gets custody of the children.


    https://x.com/wokeandwoofing/status/2022994015185154327?s=20
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,453
    Rancid
    Rank
    Rigor Mortis

    Reading
    Riting
    Rithmetic

    Rachel
    Reeves

    Hold on, I have it:

    Racists
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    Recidivist reactionaries.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,943
    edited February 15
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:
    It's a good question. I think supporters of Sandie Peggie would say the point of the exercise is to protect women . But what does that rather abstract claim mean in this specific case? That Beth Upton should stop pretending to be a woman? That s/he shouldn't be a doctor? Or something else?
    It means that Upton should not go into a room where women are changing their clothes for work. Its really that simple. Upton wanted to make an issue of this and was enthusiastically supported by a management completely committed to the transgender cause and totally indifferent to women's rights. I accept that as this spiralled out of control Upton became every bit as much of a victim as Peggie. The management responsible should be fired.
    Which would be a simple policy change on changing room use, or in the case of NHS Fife, having one in the first place. It wouldn't be a suit of victimisation and discrimination, all of which failed at the tribunal. Maybe Sandie Peggie will get this overturned on appeal - we'll see - but it wouldn't then be a simple issue of changing room use. I would also challenge Peggie as a victim - demanding to know your colleague's chromosomes as they get changed are seems aggressive, and she also sued Dr Upton personally for harrassment, claims which were dismissed in their entirety.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,569
    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,108
    Hmmm. Farage shoring up his right flank, perhaps?

    Two Reform Councillors suspended for anti-Muslim comments have had the whip restored in the last 5 days:

    Doncaster
    Reform UK to restore whip to suspended Doncaster councillor following Facebook posts investigation
    https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uk-to-restore-whip-to-suspended-doncaster-councillor-following-investigation-in-facebook-posts-5597394

    Lancashire
    Suspended Padiham Reform UK councillor reinstated to party
    https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/25849178.suspended-padiham-reform-uk-councillor-reinstated-party/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    Hungary's opposition leader Peter Magyar met Polish PM Donald Tusk in Munich and introduced Anita Orban as “Hungary’s future foreign minister,” joking that “her name is only a coincidence, Orban”

    “My name is Donald,” Tusk joked in response.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2022690671409188967
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,860
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Lots of empty seats at the rugby.

    It’s tragic the demise of Wales.

    What’s caused it ? They used to be a Superb side.

    watching Killie-Celtic game , going at it hammer and tongs
    Are you rooting for anyone Malc ?
    preference would be Killie, but they have just surrendered a two goal lead so looking bad now
    hearts - rangers on after this one
    End same as last week , Celtic get winner in 96th minute with last kick of the ball, unbelievable. Was a very good game, onto Rangers v Hearts now.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,979
    Nigelb said:

    Hungary's opposition leader Peter Magyar met Polish PM Donald Tusk in Munich and introduced Anita Orban as “Hungary’s future foreign minister,” joking that “her name is only a coincidence, Orban”

    “My name is Donald,” Tusk joked in response.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2022690671409188967

    How we laughed !
  • I surrender - make it stop
  • Thank you France! I love you so much.

    Perhaps the Welsh should stop playing rugby and merge with England like Wales do with the cricket.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478
    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,639
    edited February 15
    I've just read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

    Damn. I write like that anyway! Specifically, I over-use bold subheadings in title case followed by bullet points. Like this:

    Three Reasons Why Viewcode Is Cool
    • The general coolness of viewcode
    • The specific coolness of viewcode
    • The complete absence of not-coolness, leading to a not-coolness deficit, of the very cool viewcode
    I shall have to find an AI-detector to see if my text triggers a threshold
  • Thank you France! I love you so much.

    Perhaps the Welsh should stop playing rugby and merge with England like Wales do with the cricket.

    Welsh rugby is not attracting young players and the sport seems to be dying here

    It is so sad
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,066
    Nigelb said:

    Recidivist reactionaries.

    Remarkably redolent ... rona roll
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478
    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,108
    Republican.
    Re-publican.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,066

    I surrender - make it stop

    What, all this 'R' business?

    Yes, I know what you mean. No way for the UKs foremost political punditry space to behave.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,577
    MattW said:

    Republican.
    Re-publican.

    Republicate the nation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    Reeperbahn rodents.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,066

    Thank you France! I love you so much.

    Perhaps the Welsh should stop playing rugby and merge with England like Wales do with the cricket.

    Welsh rugby is not attracting young players and the sport seems to be dying here

    It is so sad
    Similarity with Windies in test cricket perhaps?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,646
    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,577
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023069465684922749

    PICTURED: Liz Truss meets with Donald Trump at his golf course in Palm Beach
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    Revisionist reactionary.

    Didn't need to be in Cabinet to know how out of her depth Braverman was as Home Sec. As Dep Chairman of Home Affairs Select Comm I saw how dysfunctional she let the Home Office become week in week out. The graceless way she now blames colleagues who covered for her is shameful
    https://x.com/timloughton/status/2023037710290542858

    I’m not going to keep going on this. If you want to criticise Rishi - fine. I get that. If you want to say Farage was right - again, I get that. If you want to say you failed to make the case, never asked for support, prepared no legislation or legal opinions, gave no speeches or interviews to make the case and only made statements that could be tweets, again I get that. The problem I have is not that you’re wrong, it’s that you were actually responsible, you were the Conservative Party and you were brought back into cabinet after being sacked - not over policy - and so had huge leverage and couldn’t handle the politics. So fine - I get it, you tried and failed but blaming others is just pretty poor.

    I’m happy for you to say “Reform and right and I was wrong” that at least is honest.

    https://x.com/TomTugendhat/status/2023023365607289111
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,979
    kinabalu said:

    Thank you France! I love you so much.

    Perhaps the Welsh should stop playing rugby and merge with England like Wales do with the cricket.

    Welsh rugby is not attracting young players and the sport seems to be dying here

    It is so sad
    Similarity with Windies in test cricket perhaps?
    Young Windies cricketers want to chase the money
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,458
    Liz Truss has her new election leaflets ready to go

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/2023061720017822019?s=20
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,282

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
  • isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    It's great technology in the hands of fools. They'll get it right eventually, and then it will be a real plus, as it is in Rugby and Cricket. It will take a while though. Might be a few years, but they will get there in the end.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,547

    Thank you France! I love you so much.

    Perhaps the Welsh should stop playing rugby and merge with England like Wales do with the cricket.

    Welsh rugby is not attracting young players and the sport seems to be dying here

    It is so sad
    Part of the problem.is that the Welsh don't get away with all.the forward passes that produced "tries " for them.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478
    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    I've always believed that things like VAR take the game too far away from the grass roots. Same with hawkeye and various cricket and Rugby technology.

    You should trust the official if they make mistakes it's part of the game and part of the respect for the game.

    Today's ref let the game flow, their goal I've heard may have been offside on VAR had it been used, it was a cracking finish, it deserved a goal.

    I could not sit there for 8 minutes waiting for a decision.

    It's split second, it's raw, it's the roots of the game in my opinion. May be I'm just an old git
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,440
    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    Another PB bluenose? That's 3 by my count.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,979

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    Another PB bluenose? That's 3 by my count.
    KRO

    I gladly chipped in to the Tom Wagner banner.
  • I assume this is the same story the Times led on today

    Labour are outdoing the last government in scandals and sleeze

    And after everything Starmer said before the last election

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/15/labour-together-thinktank-inquiry-calls-journalists-investigation-keir-starmer?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,569
    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

  • TazTaz Posts: 24,979
    Brixian59 said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    I've always believed that things like VAR take the game too far away from the grass roots. Same with hawkeye and various cricket and Rugby technology.

    You should trust the official if they make mistakes it's part of the game and part of the respect for the game.

    Today's ref let the game flow, their goal I've heard may have been offside on VAR had it been used, it was a cracking finish, it deserved a goal.

    I could not sit there for 8 minutes waiting for a decision.

    It's split second, it's raw, it's the roots of the game in my opinion. May be I'm just an old git
    I like it in Rugby and cricket

    In soccer it’s awful.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,066
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Thank you France! I love you so much.

    Perhaps the Welsh should stop playing rugby and merge with England like Wales do with the cricket.

    Welsh rugby is not attracting young players and the sport seems to be dying here

    It is so sad
    Similarity with Windies in test cricket perhaps?
    Young Windies cricketers want to chase the money
    Yes, test cricket is not the road to riches. I was thinking more with the Wales comparison about how something that seemed to have a special cultural grip on a place no longer has. And how people outside those places feel sad about it because it had a sort of romance to it. Then again, did we feel the magic when we were getting whupped by Wales and Windies in the 70s? Probably not.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    Thats not what I said.

    May be Usain Bolt coukd have bowled at 120mph

    What I was told back in 1999 was that young Jamaicans weren't taking up Cricket but track and field and soccer.

    A few years later Jamaica start delivering a massive seam of athletes and decent footballers like Ricardo Fuller.

    I went to a cricket match at that time to see the new and perhaps last sensation of Indies cricket in Montego Bay. His name was Chris Gayle, he didn't turn out too bad
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,282
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    President Trump's longtime confidant Thomas Barrack, now serving as U.S. ambassador to Turkey and special envoy to Syria, was in regular, close contact with Jeffrey Epstein for years after Epstein's 2008 conviction for soliciting a minor
    https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/2022745385513402555
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,453
    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    Embold Research poll | 1/7-1/16 (released 2/12)

    (Democratic voters surveyed nationwide)

    Below are some prominent Democrats. For each one, what is your overall view? (Net)

    🟦✅AOC (+78)
    🟦✅Pete Buttigieg (+68)
    🟦✅Gavin Newsom (+66)
    🟦✅Kamala Harris (+64)
    🟦✅Gretchen Whitmer (+55)
    🟦✅JB Pritzker (+51)
    🟦✅Andy Beshear (+48)
    🟦✅Joe Biden (+46)
    🟦✅Josh Shapiro (+46)
    🟦✅Hakeem Jeffries (+40)
    🟦✅Wes Moore (+36)
    🟦✅Chuck Schumer (+1)

    https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/2022784797148434797
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,979

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    Green in name only. If you have a green council look forward to fly tipping.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,066
    edited February 15
    Brixian59 said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    I've always believed that things like VAR take the game too far away from the grass roots. Same with hawkeye and various cricket and Rugby technology.

    You should trust the official if they make mistakes it's part of the game and part of the respect for the game.

    Today's ref let the game flow, their goal I've heard may have been offside on VAR had it been used, it was a cracking finish, it deserved a goal.

    I could not sit there for 8 minutes waiting for a decision.

    It's split second, it's raw, it's the roots of the game in my opinion. May be I'm just an old git
    Also rank unfairness is integral to football's visceral appeal. There's only one thing better than beating a bitter rival with a late goal and that is where it should have been disallowed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,034
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,623

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023069465684922749

    PICTURED: Liz Truss meets with Donald Trump at his golf course in Palm Beach

    Liz Truss meets elderly head of state with injured hand.

    BRACE!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,577

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2023069465684922749

    PICTURED: Liz Truss meets with Donald Trump at his golf course in Palm Beach

    Liz Truss meets elderly head of state with injured hand.

    BRACE!
    You can't keep her down. Maybe she'll skip Farage and team up with Rupert Lowe.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,242
    Nigelb said:

    Embold Research poll | 1/7-1/16 (released 2/12)

    (Democratic voters surveyed nationwide)

    Below are some prominent Democrats. For each one, what is your overall view? (Net)

    🟦✅AOC (+78)
    🟦✅Pete Buttigieg (+68)
    🟦✅Gavin Newsom (+66)
    🟦✅Kamala Harris (+64)
    🟦✅Gretchen Whitmer (+55)
    🟦✅JB Pritzker (+51)
    🟦✅Andy Beshear (+48)
    🟦✅Joe Biden (+46)
    🟦✅Josh Shapiro (+46)
    🟦✅Hakeem Jeffries (+40)
    🟦✅Wes Moore (+36)
    🟦✅Chuck Schumer (+1)

    https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/2022784797148434797

    No Mark Kelly?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,646
    Brixian59 said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    I've always believed that things like VAR take the game too far away from the grass roots. Same with hawkeye and various cricket and Rugby technology.

    You should trust the official if they make mistakes it's part of the game and part of the respect for the game.

    Today's ref let the game flow, their goal I've heard may have been offside on VAR had it been used, it was a cracking finish, it deserved a goal.

    I could not sit there for 8 minutes waiting for a decision.

    It's split second, it's raw, it's the roots of the game in my opinion. May be I'm just an old git
    Yeah, all things considered I think it's best to do away with VAR.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Embold Research poll | 1/7-1/16 (released 2/12)

    (Democratic voters surveyed nationwide)

    Below are some prominent Democrats. For each one, what is your overall view? (Net)

    🟦✅AOC (+78)
    🟦✅Pete Buttigieg (+68)
    🟦✅Gavin Newsom (+66)
    🟦✅Kamala Harris (+64)
    🟦✅Gretchen Whitmer (+55)
    🟦✅JB Pritzker (+51)
    🟦✅Andy Beshear (+48)
    🟦✅Joe Biden (+46)
    🟦✅Josh Shapiro (+46)
    🟦✅Hakeem Jeffries (+40)
    🟦✅Wes Moore (+36)
    🟦✅Chuck Schumer (+1)

    https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/2022784797148434797

    No Mark Kelly?
    No Ossoff either, apparently.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,244
    isam said:

    wokeandwoofing
    @wokeandwoofing
    ·
    4h
    I'm doing a modern remake of 'Mrs Doubtfire' where the Daniel character doesn't use any prosthetics or wigs and just changes his pronouns. Everyone goes along with it except the mother, who protests. She's branded Transphobic and Daniel gets custody of the children.


    https://x.com/wokeandwoofing/status/2022994015185154327?s=20

    It would be interesting to guess which way the Judge would be biased towards in this case
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,135
    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    The idea behind VAR is to prevent clear and obvious errors. If an offside has to be measured with a micrometer then it is not "clear and obvious". No VAR decision should take more than seconds, and it can work that way, for example at the Qatar World Cup.

    That said, I am not missing it in the Championship, despite the abysmal decline of my team.

  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,809
    edited February 15
    Taz said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    Green in name only. If you have a green council look forward to fly tipping.
    The usual problem is charging too much for waste disposal because "we want to discourage it". Thus making fly tipping economically viable.

    Although I suspect 80% of the fly tipping round here comes from 5 or 6 specific locations where there seems to be an excess of tipper trucks. The police won't go near, of course.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,282
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    The idea behind VAR is to prevent clear and obvious errors. If an offside has to be measured with a micrometer then it is not "clear and obvious". No VAR decision should take more than seconds, and it can work that way, for example at the Qatar World Cup.

    That said, I am not missing it in the Championship, despite the abysmal decline of my team.

    They should change offside so as long as a part of the attacking player is in line with the last defender than it’s good. Would increase the number of goals.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,135
    On topic, albeit late to this thread.

    Isn't the rise in "Lab most seats" mostly down to the certainty that Starmer will not be leader for the GE, rather than confidence in him?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,066
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    The idea behind VAR is to prevent clear and obvious errors. If an offside has to be measured with a micrometer then it is not "clear and obvious". No VAR decision should take more than seconds, and it can work that way, for example at the Qatar World Cup.

    That said, I am not missing it in the Championship, despite the abysmal decline of my team.

    They should change offside so as long as a part of the attacking player is in line with the last defender than it’s good. Would increase the number of goals.
    Careful about that, though, increasing the number of goals. Football's appeal (in addition to the strong possibility of rank unfairness) relies on goals being rare events. You don't want it getting like basketball. High scoring games with the best team always winning.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478
    Taz said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    Green in name only. If you have a green council look forward to fly tipping.
    Taz said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    Green in name only. If you have a green council look forward to fly tipping.
    He's a one man Momentum

    Said it since day 1, he's very cunningly seduced and hijacked a political party.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,979
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    Green in name only. If you have a green council look forward to fly tipping.
    Taz said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    Green in name only. If you have a green council look forward to fly tipping.
    He's a one man Momentum

    Said it since day 1, he's very cunningly seduced and hijacked a political party.
    You’re absolutely right but until other parties realise he’s just as much the enemy as Reform he will continue to get a free pass.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    Another PB bluenose? That's 3 by my count.
    Lifelong. Railway Upper seats as a kid, Kop from late teens, Tilton Block 13 from 94 to 2013.... Occasional visitor these days. Occasional at Plainmoor.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,411
    edited February 15

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    I quite that like that sentiment tbh. Comes from the right place, even if preposterously naive. According to the Facebook whoppers the Greens won't allow anyone out of their postcode and track them with 5G guided microchips; this suggests that concern is a bit overblown. It might be the case the Greens under Polanski are actually the most liberal of all the parties.
  • Eabhal said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    I quite that like that sentiment tbh. Comes from the right place, even if preposterously naive. According to the Facebook whoppers the Greens won't allow anyone out of their postcode and track them with 5G guided microchips; this suggests that concern is a bit overblown. It might be the case the Greens under Polanski are actually the most liberal of all the parties.
    "Flytipping is fine by me!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,214
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    The idea behind VAR is to prevent clear and obvious errors. If an offside has to be measured with a micrometer then it is not "clear and obvious". No VAR decision should take more than seconds, and it can work that way, for example at the Qatar World Cup.

    That said, I am not missing it in the Championship, despite the abysmal decline of my team.

    The equivalent of 'umpire's call' should not have been beyond football.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,381
    More first hand accounts from Iran.

    New photos give glimpse inside Iran’s bloody crackdown on anti-government protests
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/ng-interactive/2026/feb/15/new-photos-give-glimpse-inside-irans-bloody-crackdown-on-anti-government-protests
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,214
    Nigelb said:

    Embold Research poll | 1/7-1/16 (released 2/12)

    (Democratic voters surveyed nationwide)

    Below are some prominent Democrats. For each one, what is your overall view? (Net)

    🟦✅AOC (+78)
    🟦✅Pete Buttigieg (+68)
    🟦✅Gavin Newsom (+66)
    🟦✅Kamala Harris (+64)
    🟦✅Gretchen Whitmer (+55)
    🟦✅JB Pritzker (+51)
    🟦✅Andy Beshear (+48)
    🟦✅Joe Biden (+46)
    🟦✅Josh Shapiro (+46)
    🟦✅Hakeem Jeffries (+40)
    🟦✅Wes Moore (+36)
    🟦✅Chuck Schumer (+1)

    https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/2022784797148434797

    There you go then, AOC/Buttegieg ticket. That'd fire everyone up...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,411
    edited February 15

    Eabhal said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    I quite that like that sentiment tbh. Comes from the right place, even if preposterously naive. According to the Facebook whoppers the Greens won't allow anyone out of their postcode and track them with 5G guided microchips; this suggests that concern is a bit overblown. It might be the case the Greens under Polanski are actually the most liberal of all the parties.
    "Flytipping is fine by me!"
    The people who toss bags of dog shit into the tops of the lime trees around my flat would be first against the wall in my Scotland.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,161
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    Another PB bluenose? That's 3 by my count.
    Lifelong. Railway Upper seats as a kid, Kop from late teens, Tilton Block 13 from 94 to 2013.... Occasional visitor these days. Occasional at Plainmoor.
    I grew up in Brum but not a Blues fan, although many at my school were.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,161
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Embold Research poll | 1/7-1/16 (released 2/12)

    (Democratic voters surveyed nationwide)

    Below are some prominent Democrats. For each one, what is your overall view? (Net)

    🟦✅AOC (+78)
    🟦✅Pete Buttigieg (+68)
    🟦✅Gavin Newsom (+66)
    🟦✅Kamala Harris (+64)
    🟦✅Gretchen Whitmer (+55)
    🟦✅JB Pritzker (+51)
    🟦✅Andy Beshear (+48)
    🟦✅Joe Biden (+46)
    🟦✅Josh Shapiro (+46)
    🟦✅Hakeem Jeffries (+40)
    🟦✅Wes Moore (+36)
    🟦✅Chuck Schumer (+1)

    https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/2022784797148434797

    No Mark Kelly?
    Go Pete!!!!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,392
    edited February 15
    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    The idea behind VAR is to prevent clear and obvious errors. If an offside has to be measured with a micrometer then it is not "clear and obvious". No VAR decision should take more than seconds, and it can work that way, for example at the Qatar World Cup.

    That said, I am not missing it in the Championship, despite the abysmal decline of my team.

    They should change offside so as long as a part of the attacking player is in line with the last defender than it’s good. Would increase the number of goals.
    Careful about that, though, increasing the number of goals. Football's appeal (in addition to the strong possibility of rank unfairness) relies on goals being rare events. You don't want it getting like basketball. High scoring games with the best team always winning.
    Before VAR the laws gave no assistance in clarifying what 'level' actually meant in connection with offside. It was simply left to the discretion of referees. The precision of the new technology enabled hairline decisions to be made with extreme accuracy, but the authorities were characteristically slow to give any clarification to officials as to whether 'level' meant the arms, the legs, any part of the body or the central mass, or whatever. The result was that widely different and contradictory interpretations applied from game to game. They are starting to sort this out a bit now but they are slow learners and it will be a while yet before we get a sensible all-purpose definition. My own recommendation would be to use the feet, since that would be relatively easy to apply, and kind of makes sense.

    I suspect the authorities will just blunder on for a while yet, making it up as they go along (just as they did with 'clear and obvious error' and other basic aspects of VAR.)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,639
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:
    It's a good question. I think supporters of Sandie Peggie would say the point of the exercise is to protect women . But what does that rather abstract claim mean in this specific case? That Beth Upton should stop pretending to be a woman? That s/he shouldn't be a doctor? Or something else?
    It means that Upton should not go into a room where women are changing their clothes for work. Its really that simple. Upton wanted to make an issue of this and was enthusiastically supported by a management completely committed to the transgender cause and totally indifferent to women's rights. I accept that as this spiralled out of control Upton became every bit as much of a victim as Peggie. The management responsible should be fired.
    Upton left NHS File at the end of 2025. It appears that Upton is relocating to Australia, assuming the Scottish Sun is to be believed.
    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15925555/trans-doc-quits-nhs-sandie-peggie-case/

    If we use that article as a source, we can extract the following
    • The tribunal was told "...that Dr Upton was afraid to leave home because of a hostile “social media circus”..."
    • After being told that Upton had left the NHS, Susan Smith (director of For Women Scotland) said that she was "...not sure someone like that should have a place in the NHS...” and regarding Upton's future employment Smith said that she hoped "...anywhere that employs Dr Upton in future is aware of the risks they run with someone who clearly thrives on creating trouble...
    • The article points out that "...All claims against Dr Upton were rejected..."
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,860
    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,860
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    I quite that like that sentiment tbh. Comes from the right place, even if preposterously naive. According to the Facebook whoppers the Greens won't allow anyone out of their postcode and track them with 5G guided microchips; this suggests that concern is a bit overblown. It might be the case the Greens under Polanski are actually the most liberal of all the parties.
    "Flytipping is fine by me!"
    The people who toss bags of dog shit into the tops of the lime trees around my flat would be first against the wall in my Scotland.
    Scumbags like that should be fed it for a month
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,161
    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    Right about everything. @realDonaldTrump

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/2023061720017822019




    Any response Kemi? Last time I looked Truss was still a member.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,086
    Evening all :)

    When I saw that picture of Truss with Trump, I was reminded of the Duke of Windsor visiting Hitler and, to paraphrase Cadogan's comment about Sir Samuel Hoare:

    "She'll be the Prime Minister of England when America conquers us and I am deported".
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,086
    I also need to apologise for my post this morning which contained a huge inaccuracy pointed out by @MattW (which goes to show how many read my incoherent ramblings).

    I meant to say "22 million including those on Housing Benefits". My sole mitigation was I had just read Rupert Lowe's rambling personal manifesto and I was feeling nauseous.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    Right about everything. @realDonaldTrump

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/2023061720017822019




    Any response Kemi? Last time I looked Truss was still a member.

    Indeed.

    She needs expelling.

    Has the Leader a backbone.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,282
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    Isn’t Ramon Vega who played for spurs now a crazy rich and successful investment banker? There are plenty of others who have done degrees post career and been successful. Weirdly mostly non Brits.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,880
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    ISTR Martin O Neil studied law at university
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    Way back there was a footballer called Alan Giwland, he had a university degree but can't remember if he had a career as such.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 478
    Brixian59 said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    Way back there was a footballer called Alan Giwland, he had a university degree but can't remember if he had a career as such.
    Gowland
  • kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Got to say VAR and Refs both get a bad rap.

    Very rare visit up home for Birmingham v Leeds FA Cup Tie.

    Cracking game
    Cracking atmosphere boosted by Leeds having full Away end
    Best side lost but no complaints as goals win the game

    But massive credit to a Referee who let the game flow, made all the right calls and did it with a smile.

    I think football fans thought VAR would be the same as the tv replays the pundits look at, and the bloopers, like those at Villa Park and The Etihad yesterday, would be obvious and sorted out quickly.

    Instead we got absurdly granular decisions, offsides to the nearest millimetre, handball for anything that brushes a players arm, and endless delays that have killed the spectacle. They should just use the tv replays we all see and if it’s not clear wave play on

    Or just get rid
    The idea behind VAR is to prevent clear and obvious errors. If an offside has to be measured with a micrometer then it is not "clear and obvious". No VAR decision should take more than seconds, and it can work that way, for example at the Qatar World Cup.

    That said, I am not missing it in the Championship, despite the abysmal decline of my team.

    The equivalent of 'umpire's call' should not have been beyond football.
    If you have ever had any direct dealings with the football authorities you will know that such common sense is completely beyond them. Even basic competence is unusual.
  • Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    Way back there was a footballer called Alan Giwland, he had a university degree but can't remember if he had a career as such.
    Gowland
    Brian Hall and Steve Heighway were both graduates and played in the same successful Liverpool team.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,411
    boulay said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    Isn’t Ramon Vega who played for spurs now a crazy rich and successful investment banker? There are plenty of others who have done degrees post career and been successful. Weirdly mostly non Brits.
    Mathieu Flamini is worth £10 billion - from biochemicals, oddly enough.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,242
    boulay said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    Isn’t Ramon Vega who played for spurs now a crazy rich and successful investment banker? There are plenty of others who have done degrees post career and been successful. Weirdly mostly non Brits.
    Giorgio Chiellini (who I've met, and who is super nice) has an MBA from a pretty decent business school.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,453
    Disappointing to discover that the Team Snowboarding does not involve six people all standing on one really big smowboard.
  • malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    I quite that like that sentiment tbh. Comes from the right place, even if preposterously naive. According to the Facebook whoppers the Greens won't allow anyone out of their postcode and track them with 5G guided microchips; this suggests that concern is a bit overblown. It might be the case the Greens under Polanski are actually the most liberal of all the parties.
    "Flytipping is fine by me!"
    The people who toss bags of dog shit into the tops of the lime trees around my flat would be first against the wall in my Scotland.
    Scumbags like that should be fed it for a month
    Whilst I agree with the sentiment, Malc, I'm puzzled by their logic. If you have picked the poo up in a bag you have done the difficult bit. Disposing of it properly is then easy. Hanging it in a tree negates the effort you have already made.

    I've seen plenty of this strange fruit, but never actually caught someone doing it, so I have never had the opportunity to question them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,161
    Dan Bloom
    @danbloom1
    ·
    1h
    👀 Patrick Wintour reports that Jonathan Powell:

    — is weighing up leaving No. 10 at the end of this year
    — won't be the new No. 10 chief of staff
    — "very strongly advised" Keir Starmer not to appoint Peter Mandelson

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2023081475340685348

    ===

    As I posted at the time when all this kicked off, the STimes had reported via the former editor of Newstatesman that Powell had told Starmer NOT to appoint Mandelson. Yet for days after other papers were saying he argued for Mandelson and it is all partly his fault.

  • Disappointing to discover that the Team Snowboarding does not involve six people all standing on one really big smowboard.

    It always disappoints me that the downhill skiers go down one at a time. How much more fun it would be if they were all released together and had to push and fight for position on the way down.

    We'd be in with more a chance then. We could get Joey Barton to represent us.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,639

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    Right about everything. @realDonaldTrump

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/2023061720017822019

    Any response Kemi? Last time I looked Truss was still a member.

    She doesn't post on here. Although she may be @malcolmg under deep cover. Very deep cover. :D
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,066
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    ISTR Martin O Neil studied law at university
    Pat Nevin has a degree and is clearly highly intelligent. Then there's Graham Le Saux who went to uni and would have graduated if it weren't for needing to get going with the pro football. He reads the Guardian and visits museums.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,161
    George Conway ⚖️🇺🇸
    @gtconway3d

    Not only did that head of iceberg lettuce outlast you, Madam Briefest Prime Minister in the Entire History of the United Kingdom, that lettuce was also much, much smarter than you.

    https://x.com/gtconway3d/status/2023075667458621743
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,930
    Olympic Super Sunday!!
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 831
    Another gold.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,619
    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Here's another demonstration that the leader of the so-called Green Party is a total that who couldn't give a fuck about the environment. From Sky:

    Zack Polanski, the Green Party leader, told Sky's Trevor Phillips that policing waste crime may result in "an arms race of surveillance".

    "Unless we're going to surveil people 24/7 all the time, and I think that has to be the last resort, I'd much rather look at behaviour change and get people to feel pride in their place," he said.

    Fucking clueless.

    I quite that like that sentiment tbh. Comes from the right place, even if preposterously naive. According to the Facebook whoppers the Greens won't allow anyone out of their postcode and track them with 5G guided microchips; this suggests that concern is a bit overblown. It might be the case the Greens under Polanski are actually the most liberal of all the parties.
    "Flytipping is fine by me!"
    The people who toss bags of dog shit into the tops of the lime trees around my flat would be first against the wall in my Scotland.
    Scumbags like that should be fed it for a month
    Bunch of softies: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=GOT ramsay bolton fed to the dogs&mid=4076C6A11FBC083F71B24076C6A11FBC083F71B2&ajax
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,214
    edited February 15

    Liz Truss
    @trussliz

    Right about everything. @realDonaldTrump

    https://x.com/trussliz/status/2023061720017822019




    Any response Kemi? Last time I looked Truss was still a member.

    It's just so over the top. Like, I'd get if she genuinely likes Trump as a person and a leader (I'd disagree, but I'd get it), but 'right about everything' whilst sucking up for a photo? How lucrative is the american podcast circuit?

    Farage likes Trump too and he doesn't gush so blatantly.
  • SandraMc said:

    Another gold.

    More Tea-Tray success? How thrilling.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,323
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Theory

    In the professional era, sheer size of population and potential player pool is beginning to dominate, in rugby

    For decades much smaller countries could, in various ways, punch above their weight

    All blacks were the obvious example, but also wales and latterly Ireland

    But now the biggest teams are the biggest countries. South Africa, France, England,

    Italy rising. Argentina. Japan too

    Australia somewhere in the middle

    It’s a shame, as rugby was an exception to the law of bigness

    I recall being in Jamaica on late 90s.

    Not long after Reggae Boyz got to WC98

    A few locals told me it would kill Cricket as young lads who were already starting to go to US Colleges for Track and Field scholarships would play soccer too.

    The great Welsh teams were honed in the Mines and Steel works.

    Gatland fused a side for a decade that punched way above their weight

    Maladministration hasn't helped.
    So who are all these top level Caribbean athletes and footballers who would have been international cricketers ?

    Actual names.

    Given how specialised top level sport is now plus how much more money there is in cricket compared with the last century the numbers lost is more probably minimal to zero.
    I think the problem is that a lot of good West Indian athletes/sportsmen get picked up for sports scholarships in the US. It’s attractive to them as they get a good uni place and the potential for top class coaching on track and often get sidelined into American football.

    Now they might not “make it” but if they have been focussed away from cricket from 16 to early 20s even if they were good cricketers that’s a lot of lost development time and very hard to switch back.

    If you can run a crazy 100m time and you are well built run the potential to earn millions a year in American football is probably more a temptation than taking a risk on cricket where the pay and sponsorship will never come close and the employment numbers are lower in cricket.
    But I’m not sure this is true. You can make millions in T20 cricket. Indeed it’s probably easier to do it in cricket than in ultra competitive NFL -or basketball where you need to be a physical freak in size

    True, but for a lot of 16 year olds, when they have to really start specialising and considering future options if someone from UCLA is scouting you for a track scholarship where you will end up with a good step up the ladder or you have to hope you are one of the cricketers who will be great enough to get the big contracts, a lot will choose the former - totally understandably.

    I had friends at school who were scouted by top division football clubs and asked to join but turned it down because their plans were becoming lawyers or bankers etc because it was something they knew they would do well in and benefit financially long term whereas lots of young players disappear and then you’ve thrown away a life career. I know it’s not the same situation but it’s a major consideration for young people and parents.

    I think the number of Premier League footballers who might have been top lawyers or bankers is a select band
    of ZERO
    ISTR Martin O Neil studied law at university
    Pat Nevin has a degree and is clearly highly intelligent. Then there's Graham Le Saux who went to uni and would have graduated if it weren't for needing to get going with the pro football. He reads the Guardian and visits museums.
    Footballers aren't lacking in educational qualifications because they're not intelligent, it's because their clubs don't value their education
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,547

    Dan Bloom
    @danbloom1
    ·
    1h
    👀 Patrick Wintour reports that Jonathan Powell:

    — is weighing up leaving No. 10 at the end of this year
    — won't be the new No. 10 chief of staff
    — "very strongly advised" Keir Starmer not to appoint Peter Mandelson

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2023081475340685348

    ===

    As I posted at the time when all this kicked off, the STimes had reported via the former editor of Newstatesman that Powell had told Starmer NOT to appoint Mandelson. Yet for days after other papers were saying he argued for Mandelson and it is all partly his fault.

    Fan shit hit.. organise as you see fit
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