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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,161
    I see Marco Rubio is playing the good cop to Vance's bad cop routine on Europe.

    Not working, actions speak louder than words.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,161
    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    No one is winning, but despite what the USA thinks that doesn't mean you should decide that resistance to conquest is therefore pointless.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,190

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
    I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the Chaz insanity. Though I doubt it will hit the same feverish peak with the Queue Wankers, etc.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,606
    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,605

    Time for one of my ludicrous predictions.
    The advent of Restore Britain will hasten Farages inevitable exit from UK politics before the next GE

    It's an interesting challenge, to be sure.

    The Conservatives had it easy when their rivals to the right were obviously unacceptable- NF, BNP and so on. Then Farage came along and they've not had it easy since. Fighting on two fronts is largely a losing strategy.

    Labour have always had problems on their left flank, but Polanski's Greens look like the toughest rivals yet.

    Now Lowe looks like he will try to insert himself between Farage and blatant fash. I don't know if he will manage it, but it will be fascinating seeing him try and even more fascinating seeing Farage's response.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,161
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
    I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the Chaz insanity. Though I doubt it will hit the same feverish peak with the Queue Wankers, etc.
    Wishing for his death, so based and cool.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
    I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the Chaz insanity. Though I doubt it will hit the same feverish peak with the Queue Wankers, etc.
    Wishing for his death, so based and cool.
    Like an Edge Fund Manager
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,317
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
    I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the Chaz insanity. Though I doubt it will hit the same feverish peak with the Queue Wankers, etc.
    I strongly expect William to exceed expectations and be a total disaster, at least Charles is relatively benign.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,617
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
    I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the Chaz insanity. Though I doubt it will hit the same feverish peak with the Queue Wankers, etc.
    R4 played parts of the BBC interview with Gisèle Pelicot this am with some unseemly glee over their scoop. Inevitably a hushed recitation of a letter from ‘Queen’ Camilla to Mme Pelicot showing sisterly solidarity against male abuse. No mention of the beastly brother in law of course.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,606
    kle4 said:

    I see Marco Rubio is playing the good cop to Vance's bad cop routine on Europe.

    Not working, actions speak louder than words.

    I don't think Trump and his coterie have any insight into how offensive the threats to Greenland were. It put Carney's end of the rules based system, echoed by Merz yesterday, into absolute focus. It's unfortunate that Starmer seemed to have nothing of relevance to say about this. I fear he is still falling into the trap of "best buds" that Carney so brilliantly destroyed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889
    AP polling has Trump approval at 36%, down from 40% in January.

    Disappprove at 62%, up from 59% last month.

    So much winning...
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,897
    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,190
    Dopermean said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
    I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the Chaz insanity. Though I doubt it will hit the same feverish peak with the Queue Wankers, etc.
    I strongly expect William to exceed expectations and be a total disaster, at least Charles is relatively benign.
    He does seem phenomenally awkward and his Mrs, as my mother used to say, won't make old bones. It's impossible to have anything but contempt for people who would be so cruel as to keep their children inside the gilded cage of the royal-industrial complex.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    Hate the Royal Family?

    Get a career in the Royal Navy; that’ll really show the over-entitled bastards
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    Time for one of my ludicrous predictions.
    The advent of Restore Britain will hasten Farages inevitable exit from UK politics before the next GE

    It's an interesting challenge, to be sure.

    The Conservatives had it easy when their rivals to the right were obviously unacceptable- NF, BNP and so on. Then Farage came along and they've not had it easy since. Fighting on two fronts is largely a losing strategy.

    Labour have always had problems on their left flank, but Polanski's Greens look like the toughest rivals yet.

    Now Lowe looks like he will try to insert himself between Farage and blatant fash. I don't know if he will manage it, but it will be fascinating seeing him try and even more fascinating seeing Farage's response.
    Certainly interesting. If Lowe peels off even 3 to 4% of that Reform score then even a modest Lab or Tory (or both) recovery will wreck Farages chance of being PM
    Reform 29 % - Farage PM likely
    Reform 23% - 100 seats or fewer
    We are in a bubble and have been since May. Bubbles tend to burst eventually. Especially when inflated by those who often do not vote and/or have no long term ingrained loyalty

    Thus i think Farage goes before the great deflation
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,445

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,190
    edited 2:26PM

    Time for one of my ludicrous predictions.
    The advent of Restore Britain will hasten Farages inevitable exit from UK politics before the next GE

    It's an interesting challenge, to be sure.

    The Conservatives had it easy when their rivals to the right were obviously unacceptable- NF, BNP and so on. Then Farage came along and they've not had it easy since. Fighting on two fronts is largely a losing strategy.

    Labour have always had problems on their left flank, but Polanski's Greens look like the toughest rivals yet.

    Now Lowe looks like he will try to insert himself between Farage and blatant fash. I don't know if he will manage it, but it will be fascinating seeing him try and even more fascinating seeing Farage's response.
    Certainly interesting. If Lowe peels off even 3 to 4% of that Reform score then even a modest Lab or Tory (or both) recovery will wreck Farages chance of being PM
    Reform 29 % - Farage PM likely
    Reform 23% - 100 seats or fewer
    We are in a bubble and have been since May. Bubbles tend to burst eventually. Especially when inflated by those who often do not vote and/or have no long term ingrained loyalty

    Thus i think Farage goes before the great deflation
    Has Lowelife got any fucking money to run a GE campaign? To torpedo the Fukkers, Reprisal or whatever the fuck it's called would need to run in 100s of seats.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,306
    edited 2:29PM
    Well played Burton Albion, holding West Ham to no goals for 95 mins. My local team.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,306

    On last nights Restore Britain launch and prospects. Rupert is way too radical to win a GE but hes exactly radical enough to hoover up the genuine 'last chance salooners' from Reform (and Tories of that mind not convinced by Farage) who are sick of the 'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach. And he will hold Yarmouth at a canter.
    Reform at 29% are winning. Reform at, say, 24% start falling just short everywhere.

    Rupert can win his own constituency easily but won't have any serious impact anywhere else, which must be a relief for Farage. It'll be interesting to see if Nigel bothers to put up a candidate against him in Great Yarmouth.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Dura_Ace said:

    Time for one of my ludicrous predictions.
    The advent of Restore Britain will hasten Farages inevitable exit from UK politics before the next GE

    It's an interesting challenge, to be sure.

    The Conservatives had it easy when their rivals to the right were obviously unacceptable- NF, BNP and so on. Then Farage came along and they've not had it easy since. Fighting on two fronts is largely a losing strategy.

    Labour have always had problems on their left flank, but Polanski's Greens look like the toughest rivals yet.

    Now Lowe looks like he will try to insert himself between Farage and blatant fash. I don't know if he will manage it, but it will be fascinating seeing him try and even more fascinating seeing Farage's response.
    Certainly interesting. If Lowe peels off even 3 to 4% of that Reform score then even a modest Lab or Tory (or both) recovery will wreck Farages chance of being PM
    Reform 29 % - Farage PM likely
    Reform 23% - 100 seats or fewer
    We are in a bubble and have been since May. Bubbles tend to burst eventually. Especially when inflated by those who often do not vote and/or have no long term ingrained loyalty

    Thus i think Farage goes before the great deflation
    Has Lowelife got any fucking money to run a GE campaign? To torpedo the Fukkers, Reprisal or whatever the fuck it's called would need to run in 100s of seats.
    He will probably get enough to run a fair few. Habibs and Advances money is coming in to start with. 40,000 members
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,546
    This is an unimpressive Ireland team well past its peak
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    I don’t remember DumaAce telling us that it’ll be over before (a) Christmas
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,232
    I don't see Advance, Reclaim or Renew having any impact on the 2029 election.

    Without Farage, they will get little attention, and even fewer votes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Andy_JS said:

    On last nights Restore Britain launch and prospects. Rupert is way too radical to win a GE but hes exactly radical enough to hoover up the genuine 'last chance salooners' from Reform (and Tories of that mind not convinced by Farage) who are sick of the 'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach. And he will hold Yarmouth at a canter.
    Reform at 29% are winning. Reform at, say, 24% start falling just short everywhere.

    Rupert can win his own constituency easily but won't have any serious impact anywhere else, which must be a relief for Farage. It'll be interesting to see if Nigel bothers to put up a candidate against him in Great Yarmouth.
    Seats are likely to be won on buttons %. He will have an effect without winning anything outside Yarmouth.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,232
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't see Advance, Reclaim or Renew having any impact on the 2029 election.

    Without Farage, they will get little attention, and even fewer votes.

    Sorry, or Restore, Retreat or Retread.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,781
    Andy_JS said:

    Well played Burton Albion, holding West Ham to no goals for 95 mins. My local team.

    West Ham are my local side!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,781

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    I don’t remember DumaAce telling us that it’ll be over before (a) Christmas
    Durex_Ace - the used condom of PB.com.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,546
    Forza Italia!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,963

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    British defence firms should be investing in the companies making these, and licensing the technology:

    https://x.com/lordashcroft/status/2022664384049262751

    Gives the Ukranians money for expansion, and places British companies in a good place for when the war finishes. Land war has changed completely in the last four years, and much doctrine of the past three decades or more is now obsolete.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,781

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Monarchy is a job for life - how Socialist :lol:
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,190

    'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach.

    Big Nige has the very Trumpy quality of needing a parade of supplicants. The quaffing of the last bitter dregs of the Johnson vintage definitely damages the Fukkers becaude it corrodes their hopey-changey, none-of-the-above, anti-establishment credentials.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124
    Dura_Ace said:

    Time for one of my ludicrous predictions.
    The advent of Restore Britain will hasten Farages inevitable exit from UK politics before the next GE

    It's an interesting challenge, to be sure.

    The Conservatives had it easy when their rivals to the right were obviously unacceptable- NF, BNP and so on. Then Farage came along and they've not had it easy since. Fighting on two fronts is largely a losing strategy.

    Labour have always had problems on their left flank, but Polanski's Greens look like the toughest rivals yet.

    Now Lowe looks like he will try to insert himself between Farage and blatant fash. I don't know if he will manage it, but it will be fascinating seeing him try and even more fascinating seeing Farage's response.
    Certainly interesting. If Lowe peels off even 3 to 4% of that Reform score then even a modest Lab or Tory (or both) recovery will wreck Farages chance of being PM
    Reform 29 % - Farage PM likely
    Reform 23% - 100 seats or fewer
    We are in a bubble and have been since May. Bubbles tend to burst eventually. Especially when inflated by those who often do not vote and/or have no long term ingrained loyalty

    Thus i think Farage goes before the great deflation
    Has Lowelife got any fucking money to run a GE campaign? To torpedo the Fukkers, Reprisal or whatever the fuck it's called would need to run in 100s of seats.
    He has Musk and apparently Advance UK has 40 000 members, so a significant campaign is possible.

    Notable that the Advance UK candidate in Gorton and Henton beat the official Reform candidate in last years Manchester Mayoral Election.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447

    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago

    Can't argue with that.

    Question is, how many were born in Italy?

    Some of the qualifications for eligibility in Rugby have sadly destroyed some nations, whilst massively benefiting others
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,674

    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago

    Arguably Italy were better a decade ago. They've taken the wooden spoon continuously from 2016 to 2023, their longest streak.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    edited 2:54PM
    Dura_Ace said:

    'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach.

    Big Nige has the very Trumpy quality of needing a parade of supplicants. The quaffing of the last bitter dregs of the Johnson vintage definitely damages the Fukkers becaude it corrodes their hopey-changey, none-of-the-above, anti-establishment credentials.
    Which is why a chunk will piss straight off to Restore. Therss nothing remotely popular about Nigel or Reform to hold people in place who've only been on board a few months.
    Emporers New Insurgency
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,324

    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago

    Just need Wales now.
    Free tickets being given away.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    British defence firms should be investing in the companies making these, and licensing the technology:

    https://x.com/lordashcroft/status/2022664384049262751

    Gives the Ukranians money for expansion, and places British companies in a good place for when the war finishes. Land war has changed completely in the last four years, and much doctrine of the past three decades or more is now obsolete.
    Great opportunity opening up.

    Thanks to Starmer

    However after 10 years of Brexit delivered destruction he has to go bolder harder faster.

    Sadly our Country has been put back a generation by Brexit

    Those responsible are as reasonable and reprehensible as Mandelson and Epstein

    They may have buggered hundreds, Brexit buggered a Nation
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    Brixian59 said:

    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago

    Can't argue with that.

    Question is, how many were born in Italy?

    Some of the qualifications for eligibility in Rugby have sadly destroyed some nations, whilst massively benefiting others
    You're not questioning Lynaghetti's inclusion are you?

    What about O'Izuchukwu and FitzEdogbo for Ireland?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't see Advance, Reclaim or Renew having any impact on the 2029 election.

    Without Farage, they will get little attention, and even fewer votes.

    It was interesting to see a few headers back that Farage polls less well than his party.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,617
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't see Advance, Reclaim or Renew having any impact on the 2029 election.

    Without Farage, they will get little attention, and even fewer votes.

    It was interesting to see a few headers back that Farage polls less well than his party.
    In a way I can see why. I know quite a lot of people that say they don't like Farage much, but will vote Reform because they hate the big two. It is a paradox because without Farage, there is no Reform. Strange, but I think explainable
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547

    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago

    Despite this, I would never have predicted them to be 5 points up against Ireland at halftime

    They should have kicked for the posts at the end
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't see Advance, Reclaim or Renew having any impact on the 2029 election.

    Without Farage, they will get little attention, and even fewer votes.

    It was interesting to see a few headers back that Farage polls less well than his party.
    In a way I can see why. I know quite a lot of people that say they don't like Farage much, but will vote Reform because they hate the big two. It is a paradox because without Farage, there is no Reform. Strange, but I think explainable
    Possibly explains the Reform to Green switchers too.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    On topic, I hope that he Khannot
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,016
    edited 3:17PM
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    A candidate who has also proved they can win in the Midwest or the South or Pennsylvania or grew up there eg Buttigieg, Shapiro or Beshear as that is where most of the swing states are.

    Since JFK every winning Dem presidential candidate but 1 was a governor or Senator from a southern state eg LBJ, Carter and Bill Clinton or grew up in in the rustbelt eg Biden.

    Obama was the only exception but 2008 was a year of deep recession and post Iraq War and any Democrat would have won as voters were fed up with the Bush Cheney administration (and Obama's mother grew up in Kansas of course)
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547

    On topic, I hope that he Khannot

    Anything that is banned in London by him is a Khan Knot
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447
    Leon said:

    This is an unimpressive Ireland team well past its peak

    Yes a bit like the Australian Cricket Team

    Oh..

    Hang on.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,094
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't see Advance, Reclaim or Renew having any impact on the 2029 election.

    Without Farage, they will get little attention, and even fewer votes.

    Sorry, or Restore, Retreat or Retread.
    Refucked (& the other Refucked) are already here.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    Italy could beat Scotland, Ireland and Wales
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889
    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    British defence firms should be investing in the companies making these, and licensing the technology:

    https://x.com/lordashcroft/status/2022664384049262751

    Gives the Ukranians money for expansion, and places British companies in a good place for when the war finishes. Land war has changed completely in the last four years, and much doctrine of the past three decades or more is now obsolete.
    Great opportunity opening up.

    Thanks to Starmer

    However after 10 years of Brexit delivered destruction he has to go bolder harder faster.

    Sadly our Country has been put back a generation by Brexit

    Those responsible are as reasonable and reprehensible as Mandelson and Epstein

    They may have buggered hundreds, Brexit buggered a Nation
    One of the very few things that can be laid at the door of Brexit is the debasement of hyperbole...by Remainers.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,094
    edited 3:28PM
    Saturday Surprise !!!

    Another one's gone in Durham. That's now a six pack.

    To Grimesy:
    “It is clear that certain members of the Reform leadership including yourself but principally your deputy, Cllr Grimes, hold members of their own administration in very serious disdain and consequently refuse to engage in any meaningful"
    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25850926.cllr-nick-brown-quits-durham-reform-letter-leader/

    Bart will not be happy, they have cancelled a bypass.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    British defence firms should be investing in the companies making these, and licensing the technology:

    https://x.com/lordashcroft/status/2022664384049262751

    Gives the Ukranians money for expansion, and places British companies in a good place for when the war finishes. Land war has changed completely in the last four years, and much doctrine of the past three decades or more is now obsolete.
    Great opportunity opening up.

    Thanks to Starmer

    However after 10 years of Brexit delivered destruction he has to go bolder harder faster.

    Sadly our Country has been put back a generation by Brexit

    Those responsible are as reasonable and reprehensible as Mandelson and Epstein

    They may have buggered hundreds, Brexit buggered a Nation
    One of the very few things that can be laid at the door of Brexit is the debasement of hyperbole...by Remainers.
    They may indeed be the greatest threat we have ever faced!
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,716
    Off topic, but some here may find some hope in this:

    Good News: Congress is beginning to try to correct some Musk/Trump errors, in order to rebuild our defenses.
    Bipartisan majorities in Congress are recognizing the need for the USAGM and other “soft power” outlets. An appropriations bill that passed in the House last week includes $643 million for the USAGM, down from $867 million last year but more than four times the amount that Trump asked for. The National Endowment for Democracy, which supports dissidents in countries including Venezuela and Iran, will receive $315 million, the same as last year, despite Trump’s attempts to eliminate it altogether.

    Assuming the administration spends the money appropriated by Congress — which is no sure thing anymore — U.S. soft power institutions will survive DOGE’s reckless assault. But you can’t rebuild overnight capacities that took decades to develop.
    (Links omitted. The USAGM is the United States Agency for Global Media.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    Likely South Korea, Japan and Taiwan too.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    edited 3:28PM

    Brixian59 said:

    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago

    Can't argue with that.

    Question is, how many were born in Italy?

    Some of the qualifications for eligibility in Rugby have sadly destroyed some nations, whilst massively benefiting others
    What about O'Izuchukwu and FitzEdogbo for Ireland?
    Fucking hell

    O'Izuchukwu's first name is Cormac

    That's Irish enough for me
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,889
    Loving this Italy side.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    Lynaghetti bolognese!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,016
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    A candidate who has also proved they can win in the Midwest or the South or Pennsylvania or grew up there eg Buttigieg, Shapiro or Beshear as that is where most of the swing states are.

    Since JFK every winning Dem presidential candidate but 1 was a governor or Senator from a southern state eg LBJ, Carter and Bill Clinton or grew up in in the rustbelt eg Biden.

    Obama was the only exception but 2008 was a year of deep recession and post Iraq War and any Democrat would have won as voters were fed up with the Bush Cheney administration (and Obama's mother grew up in Kansas of course)
    Obama was also a Senator from Illinois which while not a swing state is also in the Midwest, not New York, California or Massachusetts or another elite coastal state
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547

    Lynaghetti bolognese!

    Or was the passmesan forward
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,751
    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    British defence firms should be investing in the companies making these, and licensing the technology:

    https://x.com/lordashcroft/status/2022664384049262751

    Gives the Ukranians money for expansion, and places British companies in a good place for when the war finishes. Land war has changed completely in the last four years, and much doctrine of the past three decades or more is now obsolete.
    Great opportunity opening up.

    Thanks to Starmer

    However after 10 years of Brexit delivered destruction he has to go bolder harder faster.

    Sadly our Country has been put back a generation by Brexit

    Those responsible are as reasonable and reprehensible as Mandelson and Epstein

    They may have buggered hundreds, Brexit buggered a Nation
    Comparing Brexit to Mandelson and Epstein is a new low for you

    Hyperbole of the most unpleasant undertones

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,306
    Is it possible to bet on Goodwin coming third in Gorton & Denton?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it possible to bet on Goodwin coming third in Gorton & Denton?

    Not a bad bet if you can find it.
    Running away from hustings doesnt scream strong reception
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,062
    edited 3:43PM
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    Charisma matters much more than policy in presidential elections, especially in America, whose population is even less interested in the nuts and bolts of government and its associated tradeoffs than our own Great Unwashed.

    That's especially true on the left, whose main policies have been utterly discredited since the collapse of communism. But it's also true on the right, as the completely vacuous but somehow compelling Trump has shown.

    So, as I've said on here before, their main hope is to get a charismatic bullshitter who will inspire their marginal voters (especially the young and inexperienced), and then let them down completely after the election.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it possible to bet on Goodwin coming third in Gorton & Denton?

    Not a bad bet if you can find it.
    Running away from hustings doesnt scream strong reception
    At the right odds of course!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it possible to bet on Goodwin coming third in Gorton & Denton?

    Not a bad bet if you can find it.
    Running away from hustings doesnt scream strong reception
    Goodwin did duck out of earlier hustings, but did turn up to the Manchester Evening News one yesterday.

    It is viewable here:

    https://youtu.be/n2Xlv3ntOm0?si=VnVheaAruvZu2TYp
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,124
    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    Charisma matters much more than policy in presidential elections, especially in America, whose population is even less interested in the nuts and bolts of government and its associated tradeoffs than our own Great Unwashed.

    That's especially true on the left, whose main policies have been utterly discredited since the collapse of communism. But it's also true on the right, as the completely vacuous but somehow compelling Trump has shown.

    So, as I've said on here before, their main hope is to get a charismatic bullshitter who will inspire their marginal voters (especially the young and inexperienced), and then let them down completely after the election.
    Of the leading candidates Buttigeig always comes across well with charisma.

    Not sure America is ready for a gay president yet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,016
    'Kate's frosty relationship with Beatrice and Eugenie: Royal insiders reveal how Princess has always been 'cautious' about Andrew's daughters - and latest Epstein revelations could be the death knell for their future in the Royal Family'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15219503/Kates-frosty-relationship-Beatrice-Eugenie-Royal-insiders-reveal-Princess-cautious-Andrews-daughters-latest-Epstein-revelations-death-knell-future-Royal-Family.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,016
    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    Charisma matters much more than policy in presidential elections, especially in America, whose population is even less interested in the nuts and bolts of government and its associated tradeoffs than our own Great Unwashed.

    That's especially true on the left, whose main policies have been utterly discredited since the collapse of communism. But it's also true on the right, as the completely vacuous but somehow compelling Trump has shown.

    So, as I've said on here before, their main hope is to get a charismatic bullshitter who will inspire their marginal voters (especially the young and inexperienced), and then let them down completely after the election.
    Of the leading candidates Buttigeig always comes across well with charisma.

    Not sure America is ready for a gay president yet.
    Even back in 2012 68% of Americans said they could vote for a gay or lesbian President, which is rather higher than 58% who said they could vote for a Muslim or the 54% for an atheist
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx#:~:text=Two-thirds would vote for,falls between these two extremes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,937

    Loving this Italy side.

    Gallant losers are losers.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,722
    HYUFD said:

    'Kate's frosty relationship with Beatrice and Eugenie: Royal insiders reveal how Princess has always been 'cautious' about Andrew's daughters - and latest Epstein revelations could be the death knell for their future in the Royal Family'
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15219503/Kates-frosty-relationship-Beatrice-Eugenie-Royal-insiders-reveal-Princess-cautious-Andrews-daughters-latest-Epstein-revelations-death-knell-future-Royal-Family.html

    Afternoon all!

    I suggest Andrew's two daughters would be well advised, for the moment at least, to concentrate on their families, their jobs and maybe their charity work rather than being their parent's daughters. In other words, live their own lives.
    So far as I have read the only contact they have had with Epstein and his 'mob' was at the behest of their mother who doesn't strike me as being a desirablerole model.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    edited 4:17PM
    Do any cities in Islamic countries celebrate Ramadan with a month of streetlights?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,306

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it possible to bet on Goodwin coming third in Gorton & Denton?

    Not a bad bet if you can find it.
    Running away from hustings doesnt scream strong reception
    The problem for Goodwin is that two-thirds of of the constituency are very unwelcoming territory for RefUK.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,937
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I don't see Advance, Reclaim or Renew having any impact on the 2029 election.

    Without Farage, they will get little attention, and even fewer votes.

    It was interesting to see a few headers back that Farage polls less well than his party.
    Doesn’t surprise me. Farage is a very marmite character especially given his role in winning Brexit.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,618
    edited 4:23PM
    viewcode said:

    The after-the-colon names on the Star Trek movies are below (captain actors in CAPITALS)

    SHATNER
    The motion picture -
    The wrath of khan -
    The search for spock -
    The voyage home -
    The final frontier -
    The undiscovered country -

    STEWART -
    Generations -
    First contact -
    Insurrections -
    Nemesis -

    PINE -
    Into darkness -
    Beyond -

    Next time you do a "wrath of khan" reference, you may wish to see how many you can fit in 😎

    The search for spock is ongoing as Reform peer into darkness and beyond as they search for the candidate that will save generations of Londoners from the wrath of khan. But it’s not clear that Labour has reached its final frontier and London is ready to begin the voyage home to the undiscovered country that is Reform’s vision for Britain.

    Reform remains supremely confident of victory, but hubris always leads to nemesis once first contact with the voters is achieved. More excitable bloggers pine for insurrections if Labour “steals” the election, while Rory Stewart leans back and gets ready to watch the motion picture.

    The only thing worse than Reform losing will be them winning: then we’ll all be Shatner-ed.

    Hah! @viewcode
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,353
    kle4 said:

    I see Marco Rubio is playing the good cop to Vance's bad cop routine on Europe.

    Not working, actions speak louder than words.

    There is a very good thread on that here.
    It's essentially self serving (for nomination positioning) and means next to nothing in terms of actual administration policy.

    There will be people who are understandably desperate to hear this, but it's important to be clear-eyed about Rubio himself and what the Trump administration is doing. 🧵
    https://x.com/ruth_deyermond/status/2022654839550021959

    Rutte, of course, will grasp it like a drowning man seizing a rotten branch. Starmer too, perhaps ?


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,353
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    Since they stopped all financial and military aid, the US has far fewer cards to play.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,937
    edited 4:29PM
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    I think Starmer's big idea is to sail HMS Prince of Wales on a week long cruise around Iceland.

    Err, that's it.
    It makes more sense than spending an entire year sending it to fucking Australia. The North Atlantic should be the RN's home ground.
    Home sea?
    Home ocean sounds a bit gay
    That reminds me of this Brasseye skit on the Navy!

    https://youtu.be/v7OV_Oe7KAo?si=W5qhS3ZUePBFRuI6
    They can't swim, they nudge each other whilst shooting. They muck about.....

    And Gina McKee looking fooking gorgeous
    Where is Chris Morris these days? He’s badly needed….
    Can’t image any of his stuff getting past today’s TV executives and commissioners. Perhaps he’d find a home on Netflix.
    The satire of The Day Today and Brass Eye is as relevant now as it was 30 years ago. Probably more so.

    How has it come to pass that we’re now more afraid of biting satire than we were. Which is not to say he didn’t ruffle feathers at the time - which was the entire point.
    The Brass Eye episode on drugs, is one of the funniest pieces of satire ever to appear on television.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfx2BAkStg
    Agreed!

    ‘Cake” is a made-up drug! That even promoted questions in the Commons.

    Of course the pedo “special” caused an outrage. Uncomfortable at times but so very well done. “Nonse-sense”.

    Like you say though - we’ll never see that sort of thing again.
    Nonce-sense I think.

    Yes Chris Morris is brilliant, but I disagree that biting satire would no longer be broadcast.
    Tbf Britain is becoming increasingly difficult to satirise.

    Hello, This is Ivan
    @hellothisisivan
    ·
    13 Feb
    Craig Brown noting some of the more bizarre responses to the Queen’s death

    https://x.com/hellothisisivan/status/2022286903643422737?s=20
    I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for the Chaz insanity. Though I doubt it will hit the same feverish peak with the Queue Wankers, etc.
    Didn’t you annoy a few people on your local,Facebook groups by being less than deferential when Lizzy died ?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,618
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    Fight a war with Russia?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,937

    viewcode said:

    The after-the-colon names on the Star Trek movies are below (captain actors in CAPITALS)

    SHATNER
    The motion picture -
    The wrath of khan -
    The search for spock -
    The voyage home -
    The final frontier -
    The undiscovered country -

    STEWART -
    Generations -
    First contact -
    Insurrections -
    Nemesis -

    PINE -
    Into darkness -
    Beyond -

    Next time you do a "wrath of khan" reference, you may wish to see how many you can fit in 😎

    The search for spock is ongoing as Reform peer into darkness and beyond as they search for the candidate that will save generations of Londoners from the wrath of khan. But it’s not clear that Labour has reached its final frontier and London is ready to begin the voyage home to the undiscovered country that is Reform’s vision for Britain.

    Reform remains supremely confident of victory, but hubris always leads to nemesis once first contact with the voters is achieved. More excitable bloggers pine for insurrections if Labour “steals” the election, while Rory Stewart leans back and gets ready to watch the motion picture.

    The only thing worse than Reform losing will be them winning: then we’ll all be Shatner-ed.

    Hah! @viewcode
    There’s no good outcome whoever wins. We won’t have a govt prepared to tackle issues that need tackling.

    We’ve had poor governance for many years now. Nothing will change.

    But it’s all how awful Reform will be 🙄
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,618
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,353

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    Likely South Korea, Japan and Taiwan too.
    S Korea already does have a thriving defence industry supplying Europe...

    But yes, that's almost certainly true, as Ukraine has developed a lot of novel and relatively cheap kit, has a drone industry on its way to becoming independent if the Chinese supply chain, and has numerous JVs with western defence manufacturers.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,232
    The first Harry Potter book is rather good.

    I'd forgotten.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,618
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    The after-the-colon names on the Star Trek movies are below (captain actors in CAPITALS)

    SHATNER
    The motion picture -
    The wrath of khan -
    The search for spock -
    The voyage home -
    The final frontier -
    The undiscovered country -

    STEWART -
    Generations -
    First contact -
    Insurrections -
    Nemesis -

    PINE -
    Into darkness -
    Beyond -

    Next time you do a "wrath of khan" reference, you may wish to see how many you can fit in 😎

    The search for spock is ongoing as Reform peer into darkness and beyond as they search for the candidate that will save generations of Londoners from the wrath of khan. But it’s not clear that Labour has reached its final frontier and London is ready to begin the voyage home to the undiscovered country that is Reform’s vision for Britain.

    Reform remains supremely confident of victory, but hubris always leads to nemesis once first contact with the voters is achieved. More excitable bloggers pine for insurrections if Labour “steals” the election, while Rory Stewart leans back and gets ready to watch the motion picture.

    The only thing worse than Reform losing will be them winning: then we’ll all be Shatner-ed.

    Hah! @viewcode
    There’s no good outcome whoever wins. We won’t have a govt prepared to tackle issues that need tackling.

    We’ve had poor governance for many years now. Nothing will change.

    But it’s all how awful Reform will be 🙄
    To be fair I had to work in “shatner” in a vaguely plausible way, and once I had gone down the Reform angle I didn’t have many choices.

    Don’t read anything into a mental exercise
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,937
    edited 4:41PM
    rcs1000 said:

    The first Harry Potter book is rather good.

    I'd forgotten.

    I bought it for a holiday. Couldn’t get into it. This was about 15 years ago. We’re off to Kos in the summer. I will take it then, give it another bash.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,232

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
    The problem with AOC is that she, like a lot of left wing Democrats, doesn't understand basic economics.

    The solution to a housing crisis is more housing, not attempting to suppress prices (which results in less housing).

    The "Abundance" Democrats get this. Newsom, while a slimy toad, also gets this.

    AOC, Mamdami, Sanders and much of the Democrat left do not.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,353

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
    Newsom is perfectly capable of doing that, as he's unhampered by any principles.

    I suspect Ossoff is more likely to be in the mix than AOC. A liberal who can win in Georgia is better placed than one from NY, and he's as charismatic as any of the contenders.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,547
    I have yet to see a Labour policy enacted in government which has improved my cost of living

    They increased the NMW; that made my wage closer to it
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,232
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
    Newsom is perfectly capable of doing that, as he's unhampered by any principles.

    I suspect Ossoff is more likely to be in the mix than AOC. A liberal who can win in Georgia is better placed than one from NY, and he's as charismatic as any of the contenders.
    He is the second most articulate man in the Democratic field, behind Buttigieg.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,232
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.

    There was a period in Q4 of last year when it appeared that Ukraine was finally being overwhelmed and their resistance was starting to crumble but, for whatever reason, the balance now seems to have swung back the other way and it is Russia that is struggling. Given that the US has provided almost nothing over this period (other than some intelligence) it appears to me from the outside that the driving forces for this are remarkable leaps in Ukraine drone technology and the loss of Starlink for the Russians. supported by a much more determined European response.

    Rubio's comment that no one is winning is probably fair but if you had to pick a winner right now it wouldn't be Russia.
    This is the sort of thing I am talking about: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/13/8020940/

    In training exercises in Estonia Ukraine's forces, with their drones, scored an emphatic victory over NATO troops. We have so much to learn from them and a real opportunity to jump several expensive generations of kit at no cost to us (other than paying them in some of our production, of course).

    In the meantime Ukraine is rapidly building its own missile defence systems to supersede the Patriot systems with something far more comprehensive.
    https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-is-developing-an-advanced-missile-defense-system-to-counter-russias-oreshnik-5220

    Its a vivid demonstration of what Europe needs to do to break their dependence on US kit and technology given our new more distant relationship.

    Trump's frankly ridiculous response is that Ukraine has to move or make concessions to get peace. Ukraine are increasingly simply ignoring them.
    The longer Ukraine ignores Trump, the more desperate Putin will become. He went all in on Trump bailing him out. His hydrocarbons industry is having its kit and its markets systematically taken down. His ability to fight and finance war is at the edge of collapse.

    Hang in there, Ukraine.
    Post-war, Ukraine will have a thriving defence industry supplying the rest of Europe and Canada with kit.
    Likely South Korea, Japan and Taiwan too.
    S Korea already does have a thriving defence industry supplying Europe...

    But yes, that's almost certainly true, as Ukraine has developed a lot of novel and relatively cheap kit, has a drone industry on its way to becoming independent if the Chinese supply chain, and has numerous JVs with western defence manufacturers.
    Ukraine's drones are very dependent of STMicro's semiconductors
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,353
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
    The problem with AOC is that she, like a lot of left wing Democrats, doesn't understand basic economics.

    The solution to a housing crisis is more housing, not attempting to suppress prices (which results in less housing).

    The "Abundance" Democrats get this. Newsom, while a slimy toad, also gets this.

    AOC, Mamdami, Sanders and much of the Democrat left do not.

    Is that true of Mamdani ?
    For a socialist, he seems relatively pragmatic - and is planning to finance quite a lot of home construction.

    Not my politics, but he's more real world than quite a lot of the US left.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,161
    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    Charisma matters much more than policy in presidential elections, especially in America, whose population is even less interested in the nuts and bolts of government and its associated tradeoffs than our own Great Unwashed.

    That's especially true on the left, whose main policies have been utterly discredited since the collapse of communism. But it's also true on the right, as the completely vacuous but somehow compelling Trump has shown.

    So, as I've said on here before, their main hope is to get a charismatic bullshitter who will inspire their marginal voters (especially the young and inexperienced), and then let them down completely after the election.
    Of the leading candidates Buttigeig always comes across well with charisma.

    Not sure America is ready for a gay president yet.
    The Simpsons predicted they'd be ready for a gay president in 2084, I think they might be a little ahead of that at least.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,422
    Been doing a bit of 'how screwed are Labour?' Research on local by elections since May 2025.
    Labour are the only English main party not to hit 50% in a single election since then and have exceeded 40% only 7 times out of 208. In 18 of the 64 wards they defended they achieved less than 20% (more than they held). They have not gained a single ward, anywhere.

    May has the capacity to be an astonishingly brutal night for them
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,781
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
    Newsom is perfectly capable of doing that, as he's unhampered by any principles.

    I suspect Ossoff is more likely to be in the mix than AOC. A liberal who can win in Georgia is better placed than one from NY, and he's as charismatic as any of the contenders.
    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,161
    Brixian59 said:

    I’m so pleased that Italy, like Argentina, have become a decent rugby team. They haven’t yet quite reached Argentina’s level, but they’re so far from their 6N whipping boys status of a decade ago

    Can't argue with that.

    Question is, how many were born in Italy?
    More than the Italian Cricket team?

    Just guessing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,721
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    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
    The problem with AOC is that she, like a lot of left wing Democrats, doesn't understand basic economics.

    The solution to a housing crisis is more housing, not attempting to suppress prices (which results in less housing).

    The "Abundance" Democrats get this. Newsom, while a slimy toad, also gets this.

    AOC, Mamdami, Sanders and much of the Democrat left do not.

    Is that true of Mamdani ?
    For a socialist, he seems relatively pragmatic - and is planning to finance quite a lot of home construction.

    Not my politics, but he's more real world than quite a lot of the US left.
    He's stated that he's in favour of rent control. In New York - the town where it was proved, to destruction, that rent control doesn't work.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,161

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    I think AOC would be a good VP candidate although she may choose to bide her time so that she can run either in 2032/2036 when she would be (I think) 45-50.

    AOC + Newsom would be a disaster - reinforces the coastal state narrative
    I think State of origen is a bit exagerrated in importance. How much did having Walz on the ticket help Harris in the Midwest?

    Trump is New York to the core yet wins in Alabama, and does anyone realistically think Buttigeig could flip Indiana or Beshar flip Kentucky?
    Comparing the two Trump wins:

    Minnesota
    2016 Clinton +1.52%
    2024 Harris +4.24%

    Michigan
    2016 Trump +0.23%
    2024 Trump +1.42%

    Pennsylvania
    2016 Trump +0.72%
    2024 Trump +1.71%

    Wisconsin
    2016 Trump +0.77%
    2024 Trump +0.86%

    Compared with California

    2016 Clinton +30.11%
    2024 Harris +20.24%

    Suggests that Walz did help in the rust belt states, especially his home Minnesota.

    Certainly more than Harris did in either California or adjacent Nevada and Arizona.

    I am not saying that there is no effect (though it does seem only significant in home state) just that it is only one consideration amongst many.

    I am a big AOC fan but I think the Dems need a more centrist candidate in 2028.
    The issue is more with Newsom and AOC both appealing to a core democrat audience. They need someone who can reach out to the Midwest
    Newsom is perfectly capable of doing that, as he's unhampered by any principles.

    I suspect Ossoff is more likely to be in the mix than AOC. A liberal who can win in Georgia is better placed than one from NY, and he's as charismatic as any of the contenders.
    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others!"
    Principles are an odd thing, because you can be very principled but with some awful principles so it is not a plus. But if you have none at all you are an untrustworthy chimera.

    So the key is to have some principles, don't junk them entirely on a whim, but retain a pragmatic approach to them.

    Says the woolly centrist.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 102
    Dream start for Scotland
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 447

    Been doing a bit of 'how screwed are Labour?' Research on local by elections since May 2025.
    Labour are the only English main party not to hit 50% in a single election since then and have exceeded 40% only 7 times out of 208. In 18 of the 64 wards they defended they achieved less than 20% (more than they held). They have not gained a single ward, anywhere.

    May has the capacity to be an astonishingly brutal night for them

    May be you would be better to look at Government vote share in mid term year 2 and 3 over the past 25 years

    All May will be is a sample in time.

    It will have no bearing on the 2929 GE

    Furthermore how screwed will the Tories be, off there worst GE result in 100 years, how much will they have increased vote share from that abysmal low point.

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