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  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,747


    Dave Throup
    @DaveThroup

    January deluge. Little 🧵

    Most of England was wet but the south was wettest.

    8 sub catchments in the SW saw their wettest January since records began in 1871.

    https://x.com/DaveThroup/status/2021597146978361429

    That’s strangely reassuring. Weather as damnable as this requires records, even if London’s not getting them.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,062

    I suspect Labour will come to bitterly regret rowing in behind Starmer this week

    The world may look a very different place in 12 months, let alone 24. I realise there are those who regard Starmer's head on a pike as the greatest "achievement" in politics - the truth is, it won't make much difference.

    As we've seen in the Conservative Party, the instinct for self-preservation among backbenchers is strong but not to the point that changing leader just for the sake of it is viewed as the answer. You and I both know "the anger" won't go away simply because Starmer isn't Labour leader or Prime Minister and Streeting, Rayner, Mahmood, Carns or whoever might have the briefest of political honeymoons before they find the manure heading in their direction.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,369
    edited February 11
    stodge said:

    Ratcliffe's comments on benefits are interesting. According to the Government:

    24 million people claimed some combination of DWP benefits at February 2025. Of these:

    13.2 million were of State Pension Age (including those in receipt of their State Pension)

    10 million were of Working Age

    800,000 were under 16 (and in receipt of Disability Living Allowance as a child)


    More than half of those getting benefits are getting the State pension reflecting the truth more than 20% of the population is at or above pensionable age. The number on Universal Credit is about 8 million and only 80,000 get JobSeeker's allowance.

    JSA has been largely replaced by UC though (it's complicated - new style JSA is not means tested in the same way that UC is, so you can have £16k+ in savings etc etc, but if you get UC it's all netted off). There are 1.5 million people on UC searching for work, 2.2 million in work, 4 million not in work (and not required to seek it).
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,468

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.

    We've been benchmarking real time speech to text, and the latest Mistral model is the first to beat OpenAI's Whisper. We're probably going to switch over to it.
    I thought Inworld had the best model these days.

    Mistral no where near on LLM, coding, text to image / video, etc. They are surviiving because EU governments are buying their services, not because the best, but because of this French push to get away from US dominance.
    We are truly in the future. We have supranational blocs competing with each other, each advised by their own national AIs. :(
    I tend to think the UK should have its own AI, for very similar reasons. It's a cultural ark. And it could similarly get off the ground by our public services using it exclusively.
    .. our very own national AI could specialise in box ticking

  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,508
    Brixian59 said:

    The staggering thing in all f this contrived Epstein / Mandelson / Andrew / but make Starmer the fall guy right wing media plot isn't who has played along with it and is obsessed with it, Badenoch, Davey, Fynn but who hasn't.

    Farage has passed comment when asked
    Polanski has passed comment when asked

    Now it may be that they are focused on Elections

    It may be in the case of Farage that he wants to keep his head down

    I'm pretty damn sure though that the public will see them as far more serious about REAL LIFE and reality come voting time.

    Something Badenoch, Davey and Flynn may live to regret. It may in a paradoxical way be the making of the real Keir Starmer too.

    Opposite Day motions spent on puerile pointless gesture politics will be very badly received at times when people want politics to grow up ans represent them.

    You live in an alternative universe. People are sick of all politicians. They scent blood and they want it.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,009
    Bugger, fly in the ointment on an excellent round of football games in England and Scotland, saw Livi's equaliser and then the Well's late equaliser and thought it was going to be Heart's midweek, but Celtic snatch a late winner.

    Sending the buggers all back would significantly reduce Sir Jim's wages bill methinks.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,518
    edited February 11
    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2021704484540260361

    Royal Canadian Mounted Police state they will continue to identify transsexual school shooting suspect Jesse Van Rootselaar by his "gender of choice;" female — NYT
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285
    stodge said:

    I suspect Labour will come to bitterly regret rowing in behind Starmer this week

    The world may look a very different place in 12 months, let alone 24. I realise there are those who regard Starmer's head on a pike as the greatest "achievement" in politics - the truth is, it won't make much difference.

    As we've seen in the Conservative Party, the instinct for self-preservation among backbenchers is strong but not to the point that changing leader just for the sake of it is viewed as the answer. You and I both know "the anger" won't go away simply because Starmer isn't Labour leader or Prime Minister and Streeting, Rayner, Mahmood, Carns or whoever might have the briefest of political honeymoons before they find the manure heading in their direction.
    Time will tell as ever
  • boulay said:

    In shocking news, no medal in the ice dance for GB
    Did we send Arsenal?

    I think the plan is we finish fourth in everything so we are morally fourth in the Olympics.
    Ice Dancers finished SEVENTH :(

  • Dave Throup
    @DaveThroup

    January deluge. Little 🧵

    Most of England was wet but the south was wettest.

    8 sub catchments in the SW saw their wettest January since records began in 1871.

    https://x.com/DaveThroup/status/2021597146978361429

    "You only remember one deluge, but there have been many previous ones." - Plato.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,254

    boulay said:

    In shocking news, no medal in the ice dance for GB
    Did we send Arsenal?

    I think the plan is we finish fourth in everything so we are morally fourth in the Olympics.
    Ice Dancers finished SEVENTH :(
    So glad you watched it for PB so we didn’t have to.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,606
    edited February 11
    If you want to lay the Green Party to win most seats at the next GE, and have a few grand laying around spare, now is the time

    Wild things happening on the betting market for most seats at the next election. One huge punter suddenly wants to bet against Reform at all prices and back most of the other parties except the Tories. They even want to bet a grand on Your Party!

    https://x.com/senseichanning/status/2021669168769110237?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,572

    boulay said:

    In shocking news, no medal in the ice dance for GB
    Did we send Arsenal?

    I think the plan is we finish fourth in everything so we are morally fourth in the Olympics.
    Ice Dancers finished SEVENTH :(
    They even facilitated the journey from British to Scottish* by wearing tartan and twizzling to a Scotch medley.

    *I know only one of them is actually Scottish.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,108
    edited February 11
    boulay said:

    geoffw said:

    It seemed odd that the Canadian shooter was a brown-haired girl.
    Well ..
    Jesse Van Rootselaar, who was born male but identified as female, shot and killed his mother and brother at home on Tuesday before killing four students and one teacher at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in British Columbia.

    What have we done to children where some feel their only outlet is to shoot people or stab people. I was speaking to a family member earlier and we couldn’t think of it being a “thing” in the last. It’s tragic.
    Child killers, especially of other children, have always been a thing. James Bulger springs to mind.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,254

    boulay said:

    In shocking news, no medal in the ice dance for GB
    Did we send Arsenal?

    I think the plan is we finish fourth in everything so we are morally fourth in the Olympics.
    Ice Dancers finished SEVENTH :(
    They even facilitated the journey from British to Scottish* by wearing tartan and twizzling to a Scotch medley.

    *I know only one of them is actually Scottish.
    I believe the English members of the team will be eventing soon so all good. Zooming up the table whilst zooming down the mountain. This might not be factual.
  • boulay said:

    In shocking news, no medal in the ice dance for GB
    Did we send Arsenal?

    I think the plan is we finish fourth in everything so we are morally fourth in the Olympics.
    Ice Dancers finished SEVENTH :(
    They even facilitated the journey from British to Scottish* by wearing tartan and twizzling to a Scotch medley.

    *I know only one of them is actually Scottish.
    And Lilah Fear is American!
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,715

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2021704484540260361

    Royal Canadian Mounted Police state they will continue to identify transsexual school shooting suspect Jesse Van Rootselaar by his "gender of choice;" female — NYT

    Police obey law shock.
  • AnneJGP said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2021704484540260361

    Royal Canadian Mounted Police state they will continue to identify transsexual school shooting suspect Jesse Van Rootselaar by his "gender of choice;" female — NYT

    Police obey law shock.
    "His"? :lol:
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,254

    boulay said:

    geoffw said:

    It seemed odd that the Canadian shooter was a brown-haired girl.
    Well ..
    Jesse Van Rootselaar, who was born male but identified as female, shot and killed his mother and brother at home on Tuesday before killing four students and one teacher at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in British Columbia.

    What have we done to children where some feel their only outlet is to shoot people or stab people. I was speaking to a family member earlier and we couldn’t think of it being a “thing” in the last. It’s tragic.
    Child killers of other children have always been a thing. James Bulger springs to mind.
    That was mentioned in our conversation because it stood out for being rare however it seems so much more common now. I don’t think it’s just that we hear about it more.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,295
    "PM tells Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,715

    AnneJGP said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2021704484540260361

    Royal Canadian Mounted Police state they will continue to identify transsexual school shooting suspect Jesse Van Rootselaar by his "gender of choice;" female — NYT

    Police obey law shock.
    "His"? :lol:
    New York Times isn't in Canada. (I think that's what NYT translates to.)
  • Some 305 migrants have been returned to France under the scheme since then, while 367 came to the UK from France.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/11/four-in-10-migrants-challenge-deportation-slavery-claims/

    1.2 in, 1 out...shake it all about
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,109

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    1h

    “Gallup to stop tracking presidential approval ratings after 8 decades.”

    I learn from their website that Gallup is proud of all the contracts they have with many federal agencies.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/2021689984181317813
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,991
    edited February 11
    Maybe Starmer isn't such an unlucky General. Another tough day at the office only to find a high profile business person has just gone and done a massive racialism and doubly so by invoking colonising. Which will now dominate the media for a good day or two as people rush to the mic to say how racist his racism was.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,108
    edited February 11
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    geoffw said:

    It seemed odd that the Canadian shooter was a brown-haired girl.
    Well ..
    Jesse Van Rootselaar, who was born male but identified as female, shot and killed his mother and brother at home on Tuesday before killing four students and one teacher at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in British Columbia.

    What have we done to children where some feel their only outlet is to shoot people or stab people. I was speaking to a family member earlier and we couldn’t think of it being a “thing” in the last. It’s tragic.
    Child killers of other children have always been a thing. James Bulger springs to mind.
    That was mentioned in our conversation because it stood out for being rare however it seems so much more common now. I don’t think it’s just that we hear about it more.
    It probably is mostly just that we hear about it more, combined with the tendency to become more fearful as we get older. After all, everyone seems convinced that crime is out of control in the UK even though the murder rate is at its lowest for decades.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,254
    Andy_JS said:

    "PM tells Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    What proportion of playing staff has Sir Jim employed from the good honest yeomen of greater Manchester, or England even rather than “immigrants” under his stewardship?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,062

    stodge said:

    I suspect Labour will come to bitterly regret rowing in behind Starmer this week

    The world may look a very different place in 12 months, let alone 24. I realise there are those who regard Starmer's head on a pike as the greatest "achievement" in politics - the truth is, it won't make much difference.

    As we've seen in the Conservative Party, the instinct for self-preservation among backbenchers is strong but not to the point that changing leader just for the sake of it is viewed as the answer. You and I both know "the anger" won't go away simply because Starmer isn't Labour leader or Prime Minister and Streeting, Rayner, Mahmood, Carns or whoever might have the briefest of political honeymoons before they find the manure heading in their direction.
    Time will tell as ever
    To take the point a step or two further, there's a lot of hostility out there.

    That in itself falls into two groups - one group are inimically opposed to any form of Labour Government (it wouldn't matter if they were doing well, it's just not what some people want and that might be cultural, historical or whatever) and the other group are basically anti-Government by which I mean they disagree (often profoundly) with what the Government is trying to do. To be fair, that opposition would probably extend to a Conservative, LD, Green or Reform Government because the Government "always gets it wrong".

    That basically leaves Labour and Starmer between several rocks and several hard places and the truth is it makes little or no difference whether Starmer goes now or at any point before the GE. Those opposed to the concept of a Labour Government will still be opposed and those opposed to what the Government is doing (irrespective of who is in charge) will also still be opposed.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,400

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    geoffw said:

    It seemed odd that the Canadian shooter was a brown-haired girl.
    Well ..
    Jesse Van Rootselaar, who was born male but identified as female, shot and killed his mother and brother at home on Tuesday before killing four students and one teacher at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in British Columbia.

    What have we done to children where some feel their only outlet is to shoot people or stab people. I was speaking to a family member earlier and we couldn’t think of it being a “thing” in the last. It’s tragic.
    Child killers of other children have always been a thing. James Bulger springs to mind.
    That was mentioned in our conversation because it stood out for being rare however it seems so much more common now. I don’t think it’s just that we hear about it more.
    It probably is mostly just that we hear about it more, combined with the tendency to become more fearful as we get older. After all, everyone seems convinced that crime is out of control in the UK even though the murder rate is at its lowest for decades.
    Dead gang members don't count, normies do. Especially when it comes to random street violence.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,991
    edited February 11
    Jimmy Savile resigns over PM handling of paedo scandals is not the headline I was expecting.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,071
    I missed it earlier, but Ayoub Khan's comic timing was perfect when asking his question at #PMQ's.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bestforbritain.org/post/3melivjcump2t
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,400

    Jimmy Savile resigns over PM handling of paedo scandals is not the headline I was expecting.
    He must have tremendous trouble booking tables in restaurants.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,586
    geoffw said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Mistral’s revenues soar over $400mn as Europe seeks AI independence
    https://www.ft.com/content/664249e7-e8d5-4425-b397-ad3ed590b305

    Thinks who the f##k is using Mistral crap models*...checks article...governments.

    * absolutely miles behind all the US and Chinese players.

    We've been benchmarking real time speech to text, and the latest Mistral model is the first to beat OpenAI's Whisper. We're probably going to switch over to it.
    I thought Inworld had the best model these days.

    Mistral no where near on LLM, coding, text to image / video, etc. They are surviiving because EU governments are buying their services, not because the best, but because of this French push to get away from US dominance.
    We are truly in the future. We have supranational blocs competing with each other, each advised by their own national AIs. :(
    I tend to think the UK should have its own AI, for very similar reasons. It's a cultural ark. And it could similarly get off the ground by our public services using it exclusively.
    .. our very own national AI could specialise in box ticking

    And queueing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,991
    edited February 11
    On a serious note, the numer of staffers Starmer has been through in less than 2 years is quite amazing and pros too e.g Not just Sue Gray, but the lies of James Lyon, Tim Allan. Both lasted less than a year.
  • boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PM tells Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    What proportion of playing staff has Sir Jim employed from the good honest yeomen of greater Manchester, or England even rather than “immigrants” under his stewardship?
    Its a shocking statement, and as a Man Utd supporter since 1952, and former season ticket holder for decades he could not be more wrong

    He shames the brand and I am very angry tonight
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,572
    Joke I think.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,606
    edited February 11

    Jimmy Savile resigns over PM handling of paedo scandals is not the headline I was expecting.
    Now - Sir Keir is an incompetent fool
    Then - He was dull, but worthy
    Now - Starmer believes any old guff
    Then - He was a legal eagle
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,254
    Foxy said:

    I missed it earlier, but Ayoub Khan's comic timing was perfect when asking his question at #PMQ's.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bestforbritain.org/post/3melivjcump2t

    And the reaction of most of the reformers was amusing as they played along. It’s quite a good show that we haven’t reached the point where we are so polarised in parliament where they can laugh at something like that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,991
    edited February 11
    The Jimmy Savile tweet is an attempt at a joke by the tw@tter btw.
  • Sorry - hands up it fooled me

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,295
    edited February 11
    viewcode said:

    You don't pay me enough. B)
    Thanks for this. Incidentally I'm still a True Believer in modernism, of the 1970s, rational economics type. Even though no-one else is.

    That's one of the reason I dislike the so-called Nudge Unit so much. It's existence is an admittance that most people aren't rational/logical in the way they think and do things.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,254

    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PM tells Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    What proportion of playing staff has Sir Jim employed from the good honest yeomen of greater Manchester, or England even rather than “immigrants” under his stewardship?
    Its a shocking statement, and as a Man Utd supporter since 1952, and former season ticket holder for decades he could not be more wrong

    He shames the brand and I am very angry tonight
    And yet tens of thousands of Utd fans from all backgrounds will keep turning up and paying for the privilege.
  • Why are you posting fake news?
  • Why are you posting fake news?
    I am sorry and have apologised

  • isamisam Posts: 43,606
    edited February 11
    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??
  • isamisam Posts: 43,606
    Foss said:

    Jimmy Savile resigns over PM handling of paedo scandals is not the headline I was expecting.
    He must have tremendous trouble booking tables in restaurants.
    He employs a fixer
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285
    edited February 11
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    I suspect Labour will come to bitterly regret rowing in behind Starmer this week

    The world may look a very different place in 12 months, let alone 24. I realise there are those who regard Starmer's head on a pike as the greatest "achievement" in politics - the truth is, it won't make much difference.

    As we've seen in the Conservative Party, the instinct for self-preservation among backbenchers is strong but not to the point that changing leader just for the sake of it is viewed as the answer. You and I both know "the anger" won't go away simply because Starmer isn't Labour leader or Prime Minister and Streeting, Rayner, Mahmood, Carns or whoever might have the briefest of political honeymoons before they find the manure heading in their direction.
    Time will tell as ever
    To take the point a step or two further, there's a lot of hostility out there.

    That in itself falls into two groups - one group are inimically opposed to any form of Labour Government (it wouldn't matter if they were doing well, it's just not what some people want and that might be cultural, historical or whatever) and the other group are basically anti-Government by which I mean they disagree (often profoundly) with what the Government is trying to do. To be fair, that opposition would probably extend to a Conservative, LD, Green or Reform Government because the Government "always gets it wrong".

    That basically leaves Labour and Starmer between several rocks and several hard places and the truth is it makes little or no difference whether Starmer goes now or at any point before the GE. Those opposed to the concept of a Labour Government will still be opposed and those opposed to what the Government is doing (irrespective of who is in charge) will also still be opposed.
    I don't disagree but there's always a butt........
    Starmer is toxic. Labour are becoming fatally toxic. They run the risk of becoming seen as nothing but sanctimonious hypocrites wedded to toxic waste and reduced to pleading that they are 'good people'. We already see it with Starmer. The campaign to beatify him as he sinks.
    The electorate broke both the Tories legs. If Labour become as toxic as 2022 to 2024 Tories the electorate will conclude the others were not 'pour encouragered' and they need to go further and obliterate them (them being Labour)
    Thats why i think they'll regret not acting.

    We will see it start in May. People simply won't turn out for them. It will be a bloodbath

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,991
    edited February 11
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PM tells Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    What proportion of playing staff has Sir Jim employed from the good honest yeomen of greater Manchester, or England even rather than “immigrants” under his stewardship?
    Its a shocking statement, and as a Man Utd supporter since 1952, and former season ticket holder for decades he could not be more wrong

    He shames the brand and I am very angry tonight
    And yet tens of thousands of Utd fans from all backgrounds will keep turning up and paying for the privilege.
    Well the Glaizers are still large stake holders and they didn't stop when they were in full ownership.
  • The Jimmy Savile tweet is an attempt at a joke by the tw@tter btw.

    "Now, then!"
  • isamisam Posts: 43,606
    edited February 11

    Why are you posting fake news?
    I am sorry and have apologised

    Uhuhuhuhuhjuh!!

    Years ago I had someone over on here. I swapped Nigel Farage and David Cameron’s names around in a BBC news story, to see if Tories would defend Farage’s words if they thought Cameron had said them. A couple of people fell for it, and then the whole thread was deleted! Thrown down the memory hole!!

    Don’t spread fake news, the gullible fall for it!!!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,936
    Jim Ratcliffe big Brexit supporter who fxcked off to Monaco to avoid UK taxes now bemoaning immigrants in the UK .

    He really is a loathsome cxnt .

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,673

    Brixian59 said:

    The staggering thing in all f this contrived Epstein / Mandelson / Andrew / but make Starmer the fall guy right wing media plot isn't who has played along with it and is obsessed with it, Badenoch, Davey, Fynn but who hasn't.

    Farage has passed comment when asked
    Polanski has passed comment when asked

    Now it may be that they are focused on Elections

    It may be in the case of Farage that he wants to keep his head down

    I'm pretty damn sure though that the public will see them as far more serious about REAL LIFE and reality come voting time.

    Something Badenoch, Davey and Flynn may live to regret. It may in a paradoxical way be the making of the real Keir Starmer too.

    Opposite Day motions spent on puerile pointless gesture politics will be very badly received at times when people want politics to grow up ans represent them.

    A post that defies believe

    There are real victims here, Mandelson and AMW face the most serious charges immaginable and a scandal that threatens the goverment and royal family

    I am not sure why you post this embarrassing nonsense, because it does you no favours or ironically labour
    And for those who say that Mandelson is a diversion from the real scandal -

    - it’s clear that he knew far more about what was going on with Epstein than admitted. And may not be as innocent as he claimed - Desperate for a CubAm?

    - information/financial trading was a part of Epstein system. He used the information to trade for favours and to get rich. Which in turn enable the abuse. It was an interlocking system. And Mandelson was fuelling it.
  • isam said:

    Why are you posting fake news?
    I am sorry and have apologised

    Uhuhuhuhuhjuh!!

    Years ago I had someone over on here. I swapped Nigel Farage and David Cameron’s names around in a BBC news story, to make to see if Tories would defend Farage’s words if they thought Cameron had said them. A couple of people fell for it, and then the whole thread was deleted! Thrown down the memory hole.

    Don’t spread fake news, the gullible fall for it!!
    I am annoyed with myself as I do take care to ensure the tweets are from a genuine source

    I quickly recognised the error and tried to delete it but the edit greyed out

    I did apologise immediately
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,840

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "PM tells Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    What proportion of playing staff has Sir Jim employed from the good honest yeomen of greater Manchester, or England even rather than “immigrants” under his stewardship?
    Its a shocking statement, and as a Man Utd supporter since 1952, and former season ticket holder for decades he could not be more wrong

    He shames the brand and I am very angry tonight
    And yet tens of thousands of Utd fans from all backgrounds will keep turning up and paying for the privilege.
    Well the Glaizers are still large stake holders and they didn't stop when they were in full ownership.
    I once needed a window removed and found a man in Salford who would come and do the job. He was a Man City supporter who had grown up in a Man Ut heartland and wore his favoured club with the ardency of the persecuted. He did the job well and cheerfully and left me with a reasonable bill and a "Hate United - Love Your Glazier" sticker which I did not know what to do with.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,777

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2021704484540260361

    Royal Canadian Mounted Police state they will continue to identify transsexual school shooting suspect Jesse Van Rootselaar by his "gender of choice;" female — NYT

    The reality is pretty much all these shootings are by biological males. It's the one common feature across the full spectrum of mindless violence.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Why are you posting fake news?
    I am sorry and have apologised

    Uhuhuhuhuhjuh!!

    Years ago I had someone over on here. I swapped Nigel Farage and David Cameron’s names around in a BBC news story, to make to see if Tories would defend Farage’s words if they thought Cameron had said them. A couple of people fell for it, and then the whole thread was deleted! Thrown down the memory hole.

    Don’t spread fake news, the gullible fall for it!!
    I am annoyed with myself as I do take care to ensure the tweets are from a genuine source

    I quickly recognised the error and tried to delete it but the edit greyed out

    I did apologise immediately
    Don’t worry about it! It’s no big deal
    Thank you but it is something I should have spotted
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,135
    The world is moving on. Only one candidate refused to take an AIPAC paid trip to Israel and said they believed Israel had committed a genocide and they won the New Jersey nomination. Keir Starmer take note.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_1GVTydRjM
  • TresTres Posts: 3,475
    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    is this an actual mate, or some brain rot social media 'mate'
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,572
    edited February 11
    Ooft, a wee swally of Tennents for the cause, this man is a saint.

    https://x.com/ambjapanuk/status/2021705656189817121?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,707

    boulay said:

    geoffw said:

    It seemed odd that the Canadian shooter was a brown-haired girl.
    Well ..
    Jesse Van Rootselaar, who was born male but identified as female, shot and killed his mother and brother at home on Tuesday before killing four students and one teacher at Tumbler Ridge Secondary School in British Columbia.

    What have we done to children where some feel their only outlet is to shoot people or stab people. I was speaking to a family member earlier and we couldn’t think of it being a “thing” in the last. It’s tragic.
    Child killers, especially of other children, have always been a thing. James Bulger springs to mind.
    Or Mary Bell in 1968. Or Jane Walker in 1886!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,801

    Brixian59 said:

    The staggering thing in all f this contrived Epstein / Mandelson / Andrew / but make Starmer the fall guy right wing media plot isn't who has played along with it and is obsessed with it, Badenoch, Davey, Fynn but who hasn't.

    Farage has passed comment when asked
    Polanski has passed comment when asked

    Now it may be that they are focused on Elections

    It may be in the case of Farage that he wants to keep his head down

    I'm pretty damn sure though that the public will see them as far more serious about REAL LIFE and reality come voting time.

    Something Badenoch, Davey and Flynn may live to regret. It may in a paradoxical way be the making of the real Keir Starmer too.

    Opposite Day motions spent on puerile pointless gesture politics will be very badly received at times when people want politics to grow up ans represent them.

    A post that defies believe

    There are real victims here, Mandelson and AMW face the most serious charges immaginable and a scandal that threatens the goverment and royal family

    I am not sure why you post this embarrassing nonsense, because it does you no favours or ironically labour
    And for those who say that Mandelson is a diversion from the real scandal -

    - it’s clear that he knew far more about what was going on with Epstein than admitted. And may not be as innocent as he claimed - Desperate for a CubAm?

    - information/financial trading was a part of Epstein system. He used the information to trade for favours and to get rich. Which in turn enable the abuse. It was an interlocking system. And Mandelson was fuelling it.
    Is this not also Mandelson?
    https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00771670.pdf

    Birthday matches.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,707
    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    IIRC, there have been cases of people wrongly given terminal diagnoses by accident, them then spending all their money, but living, and then successfully suing the doctor/hospital involved.

    However, it is also the case that we’re just getting better at treating cancer, so there are some people now surviving who wouldn’t have a few years before, enough to generate this level of anecdotes.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,606
    edited February 11
    Tres said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    is this an actual mate, or some brain rot social media 'mate'
    Haha, he is an actual mate, someone my Dad has known for fifty years. My Dad is 79, he doesn't really have "social media mates"

    The person concerned wasn't taking invermectin, just straight up chemo, but how can the doctors get this so wrong? Is it common for people to be told they are certain to die within a pretty small timeframe, but recover from the illness within it?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,707
    Tres said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    is this an actual mate, or some brain rot social media 'mate'
    A person on the bus today was relating the evils of vaccines. They explained how their friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s mother was 88, perfectly fit and healthy, took the vaccine, and then died a year later of “natural causes”. Can you imagine it?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,739

    Brixian59 said:

    Mandelson and Epstein have certainly cut though

    https://x.com/i/status/2021518174852956322

    Frankly what words did you expect

    24 hour right wing media in UK
    This is the biggest scandal since Profumo and you expect the press to downplay it and not put on front page?

    Possibly bigger as royals involved.

    Jeez.
    There are literally millions of unreleased files, and even members of Congress who are being given access under tight security are finding much redaction. We quite likely will see much worse information come out about a whole range of prominent people. Some of the stuff that has been found already is simple abominable*, the kind of abuse that would shock essentially anyone, and in a just world the perpetrators would pay with their lives.

    * It's not all hearsay, there are official records of some of the documented abuse that we must assume are genuine as the source is photographic.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,707
    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    And it’s ivermectin, one ‘n’. The misspelling of invermectin is generally seen on what we might call less reliable websites.
  • Meanwhile, on the other side of world… The Liberals are suffering a deep leadership crisis driven by weak polling, internal factionalism (‘twas ever thus), strategic disagreements, a damaged public image, and loss of confidence in Sussan Ley’s leadership. It’s questionable that the party room ever fully backed her leadership. Despite a strong showing in the immediate aftermath of the Bondi terrorist attack, some of her subsequent comments and positioning didn’t go down well.

    Angus Taylor is positioning himself as the challenger. He’s resigned from the Opposition front bench in the past 24 hours (he was shadow Minister for Defence) while Andrew Hastie (shadow Home Affairs minister and a likely candidate) has stepped aside for now — leaving Taylor as the most likely contender in the leadership spill.

    However… The race is likely to widen if it Sussan Ley doesn’t have the support in the party room to see of Taylor. He isn’t the most popular member of the party (irrespective of what the media might say) and there’s a suggestion that Tim Wilson (a moderate who is well liked across the party factions) could stand as the “stop Taylor candidate” if Ley could be persuaded to step aside.

    Of course, there’s the added complication of the deputy leadership role which becomes vacant when a spill is called. Ley has put more than a few noses out of joint in the past 12 months and there are some who smell blood in the water.

    The spill motion has been confirmed. It’s likely to happen tomorrow (Friday) when the party room meets unless Ley decides to call it sooner and put pressure on the right of the party (in other words, Taylor and Hastie) who are concerned by the rise of One Nation.

    All good fun. God, I love Australian politics.
  • isam said:

    Tres said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    is this an actual mate, or some brain rot social media 'mate'
    Haha, he is an actual mate, someone my Dad has known for fifty years. My Dad is 79, he doesn't really have "social media mates"

    The person concerned wasn't taking invermectin, just straight up chemo, but how can the doctors get this so wrong? Is it common for people to be told they are certain to die within a pretty small timeframe, but recover from the illness within it?
    You're a gambler, you must know the concept of an outlier?

    Enough people are given a prediction, for a percentage the prediction will be wrong.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,878
    isam said:

    Tres said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    is this an actual mate, or some brain rot social media 'mate'
    Haha, he is an actual mate, someone my Dad has known for fifty years. My Dad is 79, he doesn't really have "social media mates"

    The person concerned wasn't taking invermectin, just straight up chemo, but how can the doctors get this so wrong? Is it common for people to be told they are certain to die within a pretty small timeframe, but recover from the illness within it?
    Without being in the room we don’t know what the patient was told. He may have misconstrued.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,606

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    And it’s ivermectin, one ‘n’. The misspelling of invermectin is generally seen on what we might call less reliable websites.
    Oh that's it then! I will tell Science Direct that I have spelled the drug's name incorrectly a couple of times and ask them to adjust their findings accordingly!

    I was spelling it from listening to my friend's story about her brother on the phone, so it wasn't a case of copying from nasty websites, ooh heaven forbid!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,707
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    And it’s ivermectin, one ‘n’. The misspelling of invermectin is generally seen on what we might call less reliable websites.
    Oh that's it then! I will tell Science Direct that I have spelled the drug's name incorrectly a couple of times and ask them to adjust their findings accordingly!

    I was spelling it from listening to my friend's story about her brother on the phone, so it wasn't a case of copying from nasty websites, ooh heaven forbid!
    I didn’t mean you. Yes, you are obviously relating a story. But if you start reading something online about iNvermectin, be suspicious.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,071

    Tres said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    is this an actual mate, or some brain rot social media 'mate'
    A person on the bus today was relating the evils of vaccines. They explained how their friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s mother was 88, perfectly fit and healthy, took the vaccine, and then died a year later of “natural causes”. Can you imagine it?
    My grandfather was an infantry private on the Somme for 3 months and lived to the ripe old age of 87. Which just goes to prove that no one died there.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,606

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    And it’s ivermectin, one ‘n’. The misspelling of invermectin is generally seen on what we might call less reliable websites.
    Oh that's it then! I will tell Science Direct that I have spelled the drug's name incorrectly a couple of times and ask them to adjust their findings accordingly!

    I was spelling it from listening to my friend's story about her brother on the phone, so it wasn't a case of copying from nasty websites, ooh heaven forbid!
    I didn’t mean you. Yes, you are obviously relating a story. But if you start reading something online about iNvermectin, be suspicious.
    Fair play, thanks for believing me

    I have read up on it a bit now. What struck me was the line that ‘just because it works on Lab animals, doesn’t mean it will work on humans’. I understand that’s true, but isn’t that how a lot of drugs are tested? I’ll admit, I WANT ivermectin to cure cancer, and am open to being talked into that being true, but even so, that doesn’t seem a convincing line

    Talking to my Dad today, it’s quite mad how he and his two brothers have all had cancer in the last decade, while in their 70s, and are all still here.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,814


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    1h

    “Gallup to stop tracking presidential approval ratings after 8 decades.”

    I learn from their website that Gallup is proud of all the contracts they have with many federal agencies.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/2021689984181317813

    We'll now just have to guess how bad they are.

    And we will.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,035
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    Phil introduced an idea that I have been musing about for the last few days - that to deal with Trump and his allies offences is going to need something using an international structure in the style of Nuremburg.

    There was a piece in the NYT the other day with commentary from a number of subject experts that US law possibilities for holding Trump & Co responsible for their crimes had essentially been gutted, most perniciously by the SCOTUS ruling on official Presidential acts not being subject to criminal law.

    Other possibilities are particular extensions to Impeachment to go beyond the usual limit of sacking them, and a Bill of Attainder.

    Even this like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act focus on US people bribing foreign governments, not US citizens accepting bribes.
    Maybe a Nuremburg style tribunal with judges from 4 nations. Canada, China, the U.K. and Mexico and turn Mar-A-Lago into the new Spandau.

    Could work.
    I genuinely do not know. But it will be an intricate one to recover from in the USA system.

    The NYT piece rather rattled me; I had perceived the ground as being more favourable than that.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,707
    edited February 11
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Told my Dad about the invermectin story, and he said a mate of his was told in December his cancer had returned, and spread, and the doctor gave him three months to live. His friend told his kids, the rest of his friends and family and was resigned to his fate. Yesterday he went to have a dose of chemo… and they gave him the all clear!

    Fantastic news, but isn’t there something amiss? I can’t believe the hospital can get it THAT wrong. I’m suspicious they we’re looking at the wrong notes. What if he thought ‘oh fuck it, in going to live recklessly for the time I have left?’, died or injured himself somehow only to be found to be cancer free??

    And it’s ivermectin, one ‘n’. The misspelling of invermectin is generally seen on what we might call less reliable websites.
    Oh that's it then! I will tell Science Direct that I have spelled the drug's name incorrectly a couple of times and ask them to adjust their findings accordingly!

    I was spelling it from listening to my friend's story about her brother on the phone, so it wasn't a case of copying from nasty websites, ooh heaven forbid!
    I didn’t mean you. Yes, you are obviously relating a story. But if you start reading something online about iNvermectin, be suspicious.
    Fair play, thanks for believing me

    I have read up on it a bit now. What struck me was the line that ‘just because it works on Lab animals, doesn’t mean it will work on humans’. I understand that’s true, but isn’t that how a lot of drugs are tested? I’ll admit, I WANT ivermectin to cure cancer, and am open to being talked into that being true, but even so, that doesn’t seem a convincing line

    Talking to my Dad today, it’s quite mad how he and his two brothers have all had cancer in the last decade, while in their 70s, and are all still here.
    You generally start by testing drugs in a test tube. If they seem to work there, you move to testing in animals. You may move through more than one animal model. If all going well, you start testing in humans, and then go through several stages of testing. If the drug proves to be safe and effective, then it gets approved.

    So, each step along the way is a good thing, but only about 1% of the drugs at the start turn out to be effective and usable in people at the end of the process.

    Cancer is increasingly survivable, as thankfully your Dad and brothers show. There has been a massive shift over your lifetime. That’s not from finding one miracle drug that cures all cancer, but from finding lots of different drugs (or other treatments) that work some of the time for some people, but the cumulative effect has been enormous.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,294

    Maybe Starmer isn't such an unlucky General. Another tough day at the office only to find a high profile business person has just gone and done a massive racialism and doubly so by invoking colonising. Which will now dominate the media for a good day or two as people rush to the mic to say how racist his racism was.

    His main rival appears to have spouted shit that all the voters who work from home ought not to do so.
    And the ones who care for elderly relatives or children are basically bone idle and morally ought to do more hours on behalf of billionaires.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,294
    glw said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Mandelson and Epstein have certainly cut though

    https://x.com/i/status/2021518174852956322

    Frankly what words did you expect

    24 hour right wing media in UK
    This is the biggest scandal since Profumo and you expect the press to downplay it and not put on front page?

    Possibly bigger as royals involved.

    Jeez.
    There are literally millions of unreleased files, and even members of Congress who are being given access under tight security are finding much redaction. We quite likely will see much worse information come out about a whole range of prominent people. Some of the stuff that has been found already is simple abominable*, the kind of abuse that would shock essentially anyone, and in a just world the perpetrators would pay with their lives.

    * It's not all hearsay, there are official records of some of the documented abuse that we must assume are genuine as the source is photographic.
    They've redacted all the witness impact testimony.
    Quite literally silenced victims.
    By free speech warriors.
    But obscene amounts of money talks.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,518

    Maybe Starmer isn't such an unlucky General. Another tough day at the office only to find a high profile business person has just gone and done a massive racialism and doubly so by invoking colonising. Which will now dominate the media for a good day or two as people rush to the mic to say how racist his racism was.

    Farage backs Ratcliffe:

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2021704374544703916

    Britain has undergone unprecedented mass immigration that has changed the character of many areas in our country.

    Labour may try to ignore that but Reform won’t.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,707
    dixiedean said:

    Maybe Starmer isn't such an unlucky General. Another tough day at the office only to find a high profile business person has just gone and done a massive racialism and doubly so by invoking colonising. Which will now dominate the media for a good day or two as people rush to the mic to say how racist his racism was.

    His main rival appears to have spouted shit that all the voters who work from home ought not to do so.
    And the ones who care for elderly relatives or children are basically bone idle and morally ought to do more hours on behalf of billionaires.
    I wonder how often Farage is in his constituency office or in Parliament. It doesn’t seem that often…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,959
    edited February 11
    Zack Polanski on Peston confirms that the Green Party under his leadership is committed to rejoining the EU
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,294
    edited February 11

    dixiedean said:

    Maybe Starmer isn't such an unlucky General. Another tough day at the office only to find a high profile business person has just gone and done a massive racialism and doubly so by invoking colonising. Which will now dominate the media for a good day or two as people rush to the mic to say how racist his racism was.

    His main rival appears to have spouted shit that all the voters who work from home ought not to do so.
    And the ones who care for elderly relatives or children are basically bone idle and morally ought to do more hours on behalf of billionaires.
    I wonder how often Farage is in his constituency office or in Parliament. It doesn’t seem that often…
    Yeah. But he's not working from home.
    He's working overseas for foreign governments.
    That's not the same.
    He's a true patriot.
  • BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,959
    edited February 11

    Meanwhile, on the other side of world… The Liberals are suffering a deep leadership crisis driven by weak polling, internal factionalism (‘twas ever thus), strategic disagreements, a damaged public image, and loss of confidence in Sussan Ley’s leadership. It’s questionable that the party room ever fully backed her leadership. Despite a strong showing in the immediate aftermath of the Bondi terrorist attack, some of her subsequent comments and positioning didn’t go down well.

    Angus Taylor is positioning himself as the challenger. He’s resigned from the Opposition front bench in the past 24 hours (he was shadow Minister for Defence) while Andrew Hastie (shadow Home Affairs minister and a likely candidate) has stepped aside for now — leaving Taylor as the most likely contender in the leadership spill.

    However… The race is likely to widen if it Sussan Ley doesn’t have the support in the party room to see of Taylor. He isn’t the most popular member of the party (irrespective of what the media might say) and there’s a suggestion that Tim Wilson (a moderate who is well liked across the party factions) could stand as the “stop Taylor candidate” if Ley could be persuaded to step aside.

    Of course, there’s the added complication of the deputy leadership role which becomes vacant when a spill is called. Ley has put more than a few noses out of joint in the past 12 months and there are some who smell blood in the water.

    The spill motion has been confirmed. It’s likely to happen tomorrow (Friday) when the party room meets unless Ley decides to call it sooner and put pressure on the right of the party (in other words, Taylor and Hastie) who are concerned by the rise of One Nation.

    All good fun. God, I love Australian politics.

    Tim Wilson won back Goldstein for the Liberals from a Teal Independent, one of the only good results on a terrible night for the Liberals and Coalition in their landslide defeat in the Australian Federal election last year.

    If Ley goes he could be a good bet for them, certainly better than Taylor anyway who would be Dutton 2, someone who has proved he can win back Teals. Wilson is also gay and married to his partner and would offer a completely new image for the party as a genuinely liberal one different from the leftwing statist Labor and the hard right anti immigration very socially conservative One Nation. Hastie longer term is the candidate of the populist right seeking to win back voters from One Nation
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,922
    edited February 11

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
  • BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    Ratcliffe is wrong in saying that the population was 58m in 2020 but Ratcliffe is of that generation which experienced a stable UK population varying between 56m in 1972 to 58m in 2000.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/gbr/united-kingdom/population

    So a 58m population is what he grew used to in his formative years and for which the UK's infrastructure has actually been built for.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,518
    RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    Maybe it's the new £350m a week.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,254
    edited February 11

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    Ratcliffe is wrong in saying that the population was 58m in 2020 but Ratcliffe is of that generation which experienced a stable UK population varying between 56m in 1972 to 58m in 2000.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/gbr/united-kingdom/population

    So a 58m population is what he grew used to in his formative years and for which the UK's infrastructure has actually been built for.
    Imagine how silly he would feel if he didn’t live in Britain and was an immigrant himself somewhere like Monaco or Switzerland. He would be so embarrassed and shut up forever about such hypocritical things.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,306
    RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    Most likely he misspoke and meant 2000 not 2020.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,922
    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    Most likely he misspoke and meant 2000 not 2020.
    That’s not the BBC making itself look stupid. He was actually wrong.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 365


    Dave Throup
    @DaveThroup

    January deluge. Little 🧵

    Most of England was wet but the south was wettest.

    8 sub catchments in the SW saw their wettest January since records began in 1871.

    https://x.com/DaveThroup/status/2021597146978361429

    "You only remember one deluge, but there have been many previous ones." - Plato.
    Dave Throup is a bit of a legend.

    Where I am it ha ha s rained every day since 26 December

    Local Golf Course ras recifded 9 inches of rain. Highest in 209 years of records

    Last summer mean sea temperature 3 degrees above 50 year average. Massive invasion of Octopus wiped out onshore shellfish industry.

    Last winter 4 main named storms

    Highest wind speeds of 94,93, 90 and 88 mph at Berry Head.

    Something is definitely happening....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,518
    https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/2021710875766206912

    Totally wrong. Totally out of step with British values. He should apologise now.
  • RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    I've just addressed that point.

    Ratcliffe is correct that the UK's population has increased by 12m, he just has the timescale wrong and used 2020 instead of 2000.

    Now could you look back to 2000 and see whether the government was predicting that the UK's population would increase by 12m over the next generation.

    I would suggest that successive governments allowing such an increase without proper planning and repeatedly denying such a thing would happen has been rather more damaging than some old giffer saying 2020 instead of 2000.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,306
    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    Most likely he misspoke and meant 2000 not 2020.
    That’s not the BBC making itself look stupid. He was actually wrong.
    Yes, didn't suggest otherwise. It's just that him getting the date wrong makes more sense than hallucinating the number 58m.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 492
    Jock Curtice on peston discussing class wars and lack of support for the two big/ex big parties from the working class.

    Polanski being asked why he didn't stand in Gorton, says he would be parachuting himself into the area as he has lived in London for 20 years
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,922
    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    Most likely he misspoke and meant 2000 not 2020.
    That’s not the BBC making itself look stupid. He was actually wrong.
    Yes, didn't suggest otherwise. It's just that him getting the date wrong makes more sense than hallucinating the number 58m.
    Who knows, he could have said it to make the point more dramatically. I think people should be corrected for things like that, whether it is done accidentally or not.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,400
    edited February 11

    RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    I've just addressed that point.

    Ratcliffe is correct that the UK's population has increased by 12m, he just has the timescale wrong and used 2020 instead of 2000.

    Now could you look back to 2000 and see whether the government was predicting that the UK's population would increase by 12m over the next generation.

    I would suggest that successive governments allowing such an increase without proper planning and repeatedly denying such a thing would happen has been rather more damaging than some old giffer saying 2020 instead of 2000.
    According to this the 1994 ONS estimate had the UK at just over 60 million by 2025. The 2004 at around 65 million.
  • RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    BBC makes itself look stupid in its rush to prove Ratcliffe wrong.

    Apparently the UK population isn't 70m it was only 69.4m last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglv1n4dzeo

    Plus how many people here who aren't being officially recorded.

    They were critiquing the 2020 figure

    "The UK has been colonised by immigrants, really, hasn't it? I mean, the population of the UK was 58 million in 2020, now it's 70 million. That's 12 million people."

    However, data from the Office for National Statistics estimates that the UK's population in mid-2025 was 69.4 million, compared with 66.7 million in mid-2020.
    Most likely he misspoke and meant 2000 not 2020.
    That’s not the BBC making itself look stupid. He was actually wrong.
    He is right on the fundamental point that the UK population has increased by 12m.

    Anyone thinking that doesn't matter because Ratcliffe said 2020 instead of 2000 is missing the wood for the trees.
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