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Even Rasmussen finds Americans saying Biden did a better job as President than Trump– politicalbetting.com

There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms.

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  • eekeek Posts: 32,558
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  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,658
    edited 3:04PM
    Just shows:

    1) How firmly and evenly the US is divided
    2) How far from reality 40% of Americans are living

    The floor for both parties, pretty much regardless of what they do is 40%. The other 20% perpetually and marginally prefer whoever is out of power.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700
    Good US jobs data for January 2026 (130k added), buuuuuuuuuuut the 2025 jobs number has been revised downwards a lot, from 584k to 181k, the lowest figure since 2020.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,715
    I find it very concerning when people are so tribal over politics that they seem blinded to right and wrong. My country right or wrong maybe has some place, with reservations, but my party right or wrong is just not on.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,693
    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,693
    edited 3:25PM
    England need 197 to beat the Windies. Good effort for the latter by Rutherford.,
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,658

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Nah. Special can mean really good, but it also means different from usual, so both scenarios are covered.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,558

    Good US jobs data for January 2026 (130k added), buuuuuuuuuuut the 2025 jobs number has been revised downwards a lot, from 584k to 181k, the lowest figure since 2020.

    So the figures for 2025 where out by 70/220% and yet people trust the January ones.

    Looking at the 2025 figures I don’t think that’s figures are worth the bits they are printed on.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,272
    I see Kemi got her soundbite from PMQs for social media. It's not going very well for Labour is it. If only one of the jellyfish had the balls to resign and bring this all to an end.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    It's not impossible that by the time of the mid-terms, the story will be how the US has managed to grow faster than China for the first time in decades.

    Trump is on the cusp of unleashing a golden age across the Americas.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,277
    eek said:

    Good US jobs data for January 2026 (130k added), buuuuuuuuuuut the 2025 jobs number has been revised downwards a lot, from 584k to 181k, the lowest figure since 2020.

    So the figures for 2025 where out by 70/220% and yet people trust the January ones.

    Looking at the 2025 figures I don’t think that’s figures are worth the bits they are printed on.
    Perhaps not unconnected with Trump gutting federal collection of statistics ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,954
    Not much enthusiasm for Trump either, he is only over 50% in one of the polls but yes clearly Trump's second term is not going as well as they would like with swing voters
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,658

    It's not impossible that by the time of the mid-terms, the story will be how the US has managed to grow faster than China for the first time in decades.

    Trump is on the cusp of unleashing a golden age across the Americas.

    Showers?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,954

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,277
    Reporter is threatened that he would be murdered if he doesn’t stop investigating Epstein

    The next 24 pages in the files are completely blacked out

    https://x.com/AlexandruC4/status/2021508104056361333
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,729
    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,879
    MaxPB said:

    I see Kemi got her soundbite from PMQs for social media. It's not going very well for Labour is it. If only one of the jellyfish had the balls to resign and bring this all to an end.

    Streeting seems to be trying to get sacked so he can move into a full challenge. So, of course, Starmer is too scared to sack him because he knows what follows

    And so the cycle continues
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513

    MaxPB said:

    I see Kemi got her soundbite from PMQs for social media. It's not going very well for Labour is it. If only one of the jellyfish had the balls to resign and bring this all to an end.

    Streeting seems to be trying to get sacked so he can move into a full challenge. So, of course, Starmer is too scared to sack him because he knows what follows

    And so the cycle continues
    I think Kemi missed a trick by not going on Streeting and framing him as another Mandelson operating right under Starmer's nose.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,576

    It's not impossible that by the time of the mid-terms, the story will be how the US has managed to grow faster than China for the first time in decades.

    Trump is on the cusp of unleashing a golden age across the Americas.

    Assuming you to be serious for the moment, it's a Gilded age not a Golden age. Golden Ages happen when technology goes zoom, and we had one when Facebook, Amazon, Google, Apple, Tesla kicked in. And everything was fun. After that it's a Gilded Age, where the successful billionaires start kicking downwards to preserve their wealth against their competitors, and then it's less fun. That's the stage we are in now

    But in this case it might be superseded by *another* Golden Age, as AI takes off. It it works correctly then companies like Palantir, Anduril, SpaceX, Claude, DeepSeek go zoom and the now-old Facebooks etc go bang. For example, Google has had a quarter-century stranglehold on Internet Search. Will it retain that? I've already started using Bing for more accurate results.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,693
    HYUFD said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
    Perfectly true, of course, but if you are absolutely certain Trump won't try to interest, particularly if he fears they might go against him......

    The usual phrase here is 'I have a bridge to see you'!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/2021586233843933227

    BREAKING: The decision to close El Paso International Airport to all flights for 10 days was triggered by Mexican cartel drones breaching US airspace, officials told @CBSNews. War Dept took action to disable the drones.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,277
    China is getting closer to emulating SpaceX.
    https://x.com/DrChrisCombs/status/2021602974179418205
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,032
    edited 3:39PM
    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,486
    HYUFD said:

    Not much enthusiasm for Trump either, he is only over 50% in one of the polls but yes clearly Trump's second term is not going as well as they would like with swing voters

    He may, like Starmer, have an image problem.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,954

    HYUFD said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
    Perfectly true, of course, but if you are absolutely certain Trump won't try to interest, particularly if he fears they might go against him......

    The usual phrase here is 'I have a bridge to see you'!
    He is not on the ballot, 2020 was far more relevant to him and he failed to overturn that result.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,369

    Good US jobs data for January 2026 (130k added), buuuuuuuuuuut the 2025 jobs number has been revised downwards a lot, from 584k to 181k, the lowest figure since 2020.

    Puts complaints about the ONS into perspective, doesn't it. Jeezo.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 3:42PM
    MaxPB said:

    I see Kemi got her soundbite from PMQs for social media. It's not going very well for Labour is it. If only one of the jellyfish had the balls to resign and bring this all to an end.

    Son of a Toolmaker....Further and Faster...Fantastic Netflix Documentary....Proud History Free Speech....Fantastic track record on defeating violence against women and girls....The nonce's best mate didn't give a full account of themselves.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    The West have got access to SeedDance 2.0 and making fantastic videos.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,693
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
    Perfectly true, of course, but if you are absolutely certain Trump won't try to interest, particularly if he fears they might go against him......

    The usual phrase here is 'I have a bridge to see you'!
    He is not on the ballot, 2020 was far more relevant to him and he failed to overturn that result.
    Ah, the innocence of youth!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285
    edited 3:49PM
    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,715
    FPT: Off topic, but timely: Lincoln's birthday is tomorrow, so I thought I would start by telling you what Lincoln wrote, later in life, about his education:
    "There were some schools, so-called, but no qualification was ever required of a teacher, beyond 'readin', writin', and cypherin'' to the Rule of Three. If a straggler supposed to understand latin, happened to sojourn in the neighborhood, he was looked upon as a wizzard."
    (from Carl Sandburg's one volume biography of Lincoln)

    Lincoln had about a year, all together, of formal education.
    He then taught himself to be first a surveyor, and then a lawyer -- and was good at both.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,676
    edited 3:49PM

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,676
    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,954

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,283
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
    Perfectly true, of course, but if you are absolutely certain Trump won't try to interest, particularly if he fears they might go against him......

    The usual phrase here is 'I have a bridge to see you'!
    He is not on the ballot, 2020 was far more relevant to him and he failed to overturn that result.
    Democrats winning both houses would mean he's hamstrung for his last 2 years. So it does matter to him, it'd be like being a Democrat President .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,954

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
    Perfectly true, of course, but if you are absolutely certain Trump won't try to interest, particularly if he fears they might go against him......

    The usual phrase here is 'I have a bridge to see you'!
    He is not on the ballot, 2020 was far more relevant to him and he failed to overturn that result.
    Ah, the innocence of youth!
    It is true, Trump doesn't give a toss about whether other Republicans win or not. The only interest he might take in the midterms is if it looks like such a Dem landslide his impeachment and conviction is likely or if there is some law he desperately wants to get through Congress in his last 2 years in office
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,676

    MaxPB said:

    I see Kemi got her soundbite from PMQs for social media. It's not going very well for Labour is it. If only one of the jellyfish had the balls to resign and bring this all to an end.

    Streeting seems to be trying to get sacked so he can move into a full challenge. So, of course, Starmer is too scared to sack him because he knows what follows

    And so the cycle continues
    I think Kemi missed a trick by not going on Streeting and framing him as another Mandelson operating right under Starmer's nose.
    Actually it turned out well because Doyle's appointment was taken up by Davey and the SNP, reducing Starmer to anger under the onslaught
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,954
    edited 3:54PM
    Dopermean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
    Perfectly true, of course, but if you are absolutely certain Trump won't try to interest, particularly if he fears they might go against him......

    The usual phrase here is 'I have a bridge to see you'!
    He is not on the ballot, 2020 was far more relevant to him and he failed to overturn that result.
    Democrats winning both houses would mean he's hamstrung for his last 2 years. So it does matter to him, it'd be like being a Democrat President .
    90% of Presidents don't have their parties in control of both chambers of Congress in their last 2 years
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,285
    edited 3:57PM
    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Agreed. Although Labours hold on Waltham remains if their dominannce in Leyton, Walthsmstow etc holds
    Redbridge does have at least the potential imo to be the 'its falling apart' result
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 3:59PM
    What was the Lib Dems big 9am announcement? Can't see anything about it anywhere.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,503

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
    Any winnable seats that Anas Sarwar could be parachuted into?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,032

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
    Davey's inflammatory language ("paedophile supporting") was a mistake. That's in the style of the media he says he despises, is not clearly justified in these two cases, and mitigates against successful rehabilitation of offenders.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,676

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
    Any winnable seats that Anas Sarwar could be parachuted into?

    Is there any winnable labour seat ?
  • berberian_knowsberberian_knows Posts: 144
    FPT:
    As a Con supporter, doesn’t it worry you they might? Look at Starmer’s unrecoverable public satisfaction ratings that all gets wiped clean with “New Manager Bounce”. 😕
    The nightmare scenario is "Truss 2 - this time it's Socialist":

    Contested leadership elections only work in opposition. There, the candidates throw red meat to their base and then spend a few years resiling from their positions before the GE to persuade the moderates - exactly as Starmer did.

    Truss, with her Johnson-era majority behind her, threw red meat and was IMMEDIATELY able to act (Luckily the Tory deadman switch kicked in before we were all resolutely stuffed - there is no Labour deadman switch). Imagine Rayner vs Miliband in a contested election after Starmer quits/is VONCed - what will they promise to their members, and then have the power to deliver - Wealth tax? UBI? WASPI? Massive welfare increases? you name it.

    I'm a Tory and am hoping that SKS stays in power for the next three years - or engineers a coronation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    Good job England bat deep.....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,032

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    Phil introduced an idea that I have been musing about for the last few days - that to deal with Trump and his allies offences is going to need something using an international structure in the style of Nuremburg.

    There was a piece in the NYT the other day with commentary from a number of subject experts that US law possibilities for holding Trump & Co responsible for their crimes had essentially been gutted, most perniciously by the SCOTUS ruling on official Presidential acts not being subject to criminal law.

    Other possibilities are particular extensions to Impeachment to go beyond the usual limit of sacking them, and a Bill of Attainder.

    Even this like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act focus on US people bribing foreign governments, not US citizens accepting bribes.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,693

    Good job England bat deep.....

    Don't panic. Yet!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,232
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    Phil introduced an idea that I have been musing about for the last few days - that to deal with Trump and his allies offences is going to need something using an international structure in the style of Nuremburg.

    There was a piece in the NYT the other day with commentary from a number of subject experts that US law possibilities for holding Trump & Co responsible for their crimes had essentially been gutted, most perniciously by the SCOTUS ruling on official Presidential acts not being subject to criminal law.

    Other possibilities are particular extensions to Impeachment to go beyond the usual limit of sacking them, and a Bill of Attainder.

    Even this like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act focus on US people bribing foreign governments, not US citizens accepting bribes.
    I could be wrong but I think acts of attainder are prohibited by the US Constitution. Not something that holds us back, theoretically anyway.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    He also wants to annexe the Sudetenland.

    Makes you think. 🤔
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990

    Good job England bat deep.....

    Don't panic. Yet!
    Erhhhh....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,693

    Good job England bat deep.....

    Don't panic. Yet!
    Another wicket down, Pan.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury Dan Tomlinson was mocked by MPs at the Treasury Committee this morning for suggesting only outlier businesses would be hit by Labour’s business rate hike. Tomlinson claimed to Meg Hillier:

    “We know that there are only 1% of retail, hospitality and leisure properties who are seeing their bill go up by more than 100% this year. So, the one that you’re referring to your shop in your constituency, he’s a relative outlier, because only 1% of businesses are seeing their bills go up by more than 100% this year if they’re not increasing from zero.”

    Spot the people who have never run a business....its ok because only 1% have had their taxes doubled in a year.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    edited 4:20PM
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    Phil introduced an idea that I have been musing about for the last few days - that to deal with Trump and his allies offences is going to need something using an international structure in the style of Nuremburg.

    There was a piece in the NYT the other day with commentary from a number of subject experts that US law possibilities for holding Trump & Co responsible for their crimes had essentially been gutted, most perniciously by the SCOTUS ruling on official Presidential acts not being subject to criminal law.

    Other possibilities are particular extensions to Impeachment to go beyond the usual limit of sacking them, and a Bill of Attainder.

    Even this like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act focus on US people bribing foreign governments, not US citizens accepting bribes.
    So you're proposing we violate US sovereignty to deal with Trump? It's bad enough for people with TDS to egg on a civil war without turning it into WW3 as well.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    Phil introduced an idea that I have been musing about for the last few days - that to deal with Trump and his allies offences is going to need something using an international structure in the style of Nuremburg.

    There was a piece in the NYT the other day with commentary from a number of subject experts that US law possibilities for holding Trump & Co responsible for their crimes had essentially been gutted, most perniciously by the SCOTUS ruling on official Presidential acts not being subject to criminal law.

    Other possibilities are particular extensions to Impeachment to go beyond the usual limit of sacking them, and a Bill of Attainder.

    Even this like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act focus on US people bribing foreign governments, not US citizens accepting bribes.
    Maybe a Nuremburg style tribunal with judges from 4 nations. Canada, China, the U.K. and Mexico and turn Mar-A-Lago into the new Spandau.

    Could work.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    LOL, Sky Cricket mentioned the infamous phrase....
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,715

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
    I've never been able to understand why women join the Labour Party. For much of my life I was very much in tune with their politics, but even then it seemed clear to me that women were a supporting act and couldn't aspire to top jobs. It's a bit different now but still there's the impression that a woman leader would cause a Shock Horror reaction.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,181

    What was the Lib Dems big 9am announcement? Can't see anything about it anywhere.

    Abolish the Treasury and replace it with a department for growth- https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn71mlmjn5mo

  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,181

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Nah. Special can mean really good, but it also means different from usual, so both scenarios are covered.
    The punters think the Dems will win the House and could win the Senate. Can we go beyond that? What are the odds on the Dems, plus independents getting to 60 Senators? It seems impossible, but if people really have had enough of Trump could the voters give the super majority to actually convict in the Senate?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    Matthew Doyle's partner also caused some embarrassement for Labour a couple of years ago:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59985904

    A Lambeth Labour councillor who used "offensive and discriminatory" language on social media has resigned.

    Philip Normal, who represented the Oval ward on the south London council, used a derogatory word for transsexual people, branded Muslims as "extremists" and likened Muslim women to penguins.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700

    What was the Lib Dems big 9am announcement? Can't see anything about it anywhere.

    https://www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/get-britain-growing-again
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,429

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/2021586233843933227

    BREAKING: The decision to close El Paso International Airport to all flights for 10 days was triggered by Mexican cartel drones breaching US airspace, officials told @CBSNews. War Dept took action to disable the drones.

    We need to shut down airspace for ten days

    Why?

    To shoot down some drones. OK, we're done now


    Does anybody (apart from Willy) believe that?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,576

    What was the Lib Dems big 9am announcement? Can't see anything about it anywhere.

    They intend to replace the Treasury with a Department Of Growth. Reviews were mixed.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700
    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/2021586233843933227

    BREAKING: The decision to close El Paso International Airport to all flights for 10 days was triggered by Mexican cartel drones breaching US airspace, officials told @CBSNews. War Dept took action to disable the drones.

    We need to shut down airspace for ten days

    Why?

    To shoot down some drones. OK, we're done now


    Does anybody (apart from Willy) believe that?
    I can believe the White House was being overly dramatic for the social media clicks, yes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 4:33PM
    England...deep....bat......f##ked we are.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,606
    The more the anti Trump data piles up, the more certain it is that free and fair elections in November are not going to occur. Is there a reasoned account of how Trump could risk it?

    Appeal to the 'rule of law' as to why Trump can't interfere is not really a powerful argument.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,283
    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Midterm elections are run by state governments not the Federal government
    Perfectly true, of course, but if you are absolutely certain Trump won't try to interest, particularly if he fears they might go against him......

    The usual phrase here is 'I have a bridge to see you'!
    He is not on the ballot, 2020 was far more relevant to him and he failed to overturn that result.
    Democrats winning both houses would mean he's hamstrung for his last 2 years. So it does matter to him, it'd be like being a Democrat President .
    90% of Presidents don't have their parties in control of both chambers of Congress in their last 2 years
    Yes, but Democrats generally have both houses against them.
  • Just quit Keir.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    Your joking....Not another one...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,700
    algarkirk said:

    The more the anti Trump data piles up, the more certain it is that free and fair elections in November are not going to occur. Is there a reasoned account of how Trump could risk it?

    Appeal to the 'rule of law' as to why Trump can't interfere is not really a powerful argument.

    I don't think he'll try to cancel the elections as that's difficult and probably unnecessary. What he'll do is try to fix the elections. There are multiple ways of doing this, many with a long lineage in US history, going back to the Jim Crow era. We've already seen gerrymandering. There's the SAVE America Act, which will hit female suffrage. He's done a test run of seizing voting machines. He can use ICE to scare off non-white voters. Restrictions on postal voting and cutting down the number of polling stations are familiar approaches.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 4:42PM
    I think AI might have cut through, lccal dog walker is using it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828
    algarkirk said:

    The more the anti Trump data piles up, the more certain it is that free and fair elections in November are not going to occur. Is there a reasoned account of how Trump could risk it?

    Appeal to the 'rule of law' as to why Trump can't interfere is not really a powerful argument.

    Why doesn’t the UN arrange to send a team of international observers ?

    Keep the GOP on its toes
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,364

    algarkirk said:

    The more the anti Trump data piles up, the more certain it is that free and fair elections in November are not going to occur. Is there a reasoned account of how Trump could risk it?

    Appeal to the 'rule of law' as to why Trump can't interfere is not really a powerful argument.

    I don't think he'll try to cancel the elections as that's difficult and probably unnecessary. What he'll do is try to fix the elections. There are multiple ways of doing this, many with a long lineage in US history, going back to the Jim Crow era. We've already seen gerrymandering. There's the SAVE America Act, which will hit female suffrage. He's done a test run of seizing voting machines. He can use ICE to scare off non-white voters. Restrictions on postal voting and cutting down the number of polling stations are familiar approaches.
    That's about right. The Dems have to knock 'em out to draw.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2021616256890081309

    NEW: Furious female Labour MPs have told Keir Starmer to appoint a woman as his de facto deputy to oversee a “complete culture change” in Downing Street after a series of scandals they say exposed a No 10 “boy’s club”.

    Harriet Harman urged the PM to revive the role of first secretary of state, a post previously occupied by Peter Mandelson under Gordon Brown. But she insisted the role must be held by a woman to “transform the political culture in government around women and girls”.

    Reading the full article the headline rather sums up their thoughts on McSweeney

    The fact 4 females have mow assumed the number 10 roles that are free suggests change.

    The obvious person Hattie is talking about is Ange.

    It's part of her old role. The fact though that Lucy Powell attends Political Cabinet rather overplays the hand a little.

    Does Ange want this new role?

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,133
    edited 4:46PM
    AnneJGP said:

    I find it very concerning when people are so tribal over politics that they seem blinded to right and wrong. My country right or wrong maybe has some place, with reservations, but my party right or wrong is just not on.

    Well just for your delectation my favourite Trump hater. Always entertaining and articulate. 'Get rid of the redactions!'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKD4gWWI9Iw
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,399

    I think AI might have cut through, lccal dog walker is using it.

    For what? Imagery or copy/copy cleanup?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    Foss said:

    I think AI might have cut through, lccal dog walker is using it.

    For what? Imagery or copy/copy cleanup?
    Definitely imaginery. No idea about text, impossible to tell these days.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,277
    Cicero said:

    That it 'might be a very special night for the Dems' assumes the election will be, in the vast majority of places anyway, free and fair.

    Nah. Special can mean really good, but it also means different from usual, so both scenarios are covered.
    The punters think the Dems will win the House and could win the Senate. Can we go beyond that? What are the odds on the Dems, plus independents getting to 60 Senators? It seems impossible, but if people really have had enough of Trump could the voters give the super majority to actually convict in the Senate?
    No.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    Game over.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,693
    Cricket getting a bit desperate now, I fear!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 364
    MattW said:

    "There’s a lot of evidence that it might be a very special night for the Dems in the midterms."

    What midterms?

    We're only in mid February and it's already increasingly clear that a fair midterms would be a bloodbath for the Republicans.

    Ideas of "hey lets use ICE thugs to scare voters away" assumes there are only a few pockets of seats where the threat is. But we're seeing big swings in all kinds of unlikely places.

    The only winning move for Trump is not to play. National Emergency. Seditious traitors everywhere trying to overturn the immortal republic. So to protect it we have to suspend the election, especially in states where the voters have elected traitors to illegally run corrupt elections. You can have a federal election - run by me DJT where I'll win - or I will suspend the state-run elections until the traitors can be removed from office and brought to justice.

    Ed Davey was excellent at PMQs, reducing Starmer to an angry shouty response about austerity, and then the SNP followed up creating more Starmer fury which needed the speaker to humilate him over his response, and this the ex DPP

    Some suggest Starmer showed the 'real him' but what it revealed is he is out of control of his emotions and not in control of the news agenda, especially as Ed rightly pointed out he had appointed 2 senior labour figures to senior posts both with known links to paedophiles

    Labour women are deeply upset and angry and I think he is in a worse position today, but sadly for the country labour have not got their act together yet to remove him

    This physco drama damages all of us, and labour need to do the right thing and find someone they can coalesce around and lance the boil
    Davey's inflammatory language ("paedophile supporting") was a mistake. That's in the style of the media he says he despises, is not clearly justified in these two cases, and mitigates against successful rehabilitation of offenders.
    Indeed

    Ed is not the Mr Nice he claims to be. No reference to Howard Marks intended.

    As he's struggled for air time he's gradually become Mr Nasty.

    Mind you, going between Cruella and The Hood he has to find a niche.

    Oh for the days of Penhaligon or a Beith


  • algarkirk said:

    The more the anti Trump data piles up, the more certain it is that free and fair elections in November are not going to occur. Is there a reasoned account of how Trump could risk it?

    Appeal to the 'rule of law' as to why Trump can't interfere is not really a powerful argument.

    Anyone who thinks Trump will permit free and fair elections is painfully naive. He and his acolytes have way too much to lose, so he will at least try to pervert the election.

    ICE will patrol polling stations, ballot boxes and voting machines will be seized for 'validation'. The dems and the media will scream bloody murder, but the practical options for preventing this kind of manipulation by the US government are limited.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    Brixian59 said:

    The other obvious wrong he could right on the soft left would be to bring in Emily Thornberry

    Sack Hermer, bring in Thornberry and reverse course on Chagos.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,269

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Irish citizen, married to a US citizen and living there for 20 years with his own business and a valid work permit, held in one of Trump's concentration camps for 5 months, Camp East Montana. He was arrested in Boston, and is held in Texas. He has been outside less than 10 times whilst imprisoned.

    Report by Phil Moorhouse, who is a lefty Youtuber but this is a straight report.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    Irish Times article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoswkcG234

    I saw that and it is shocking and hard to believe Farage seems to have similar ideas
    Phil introduced an idea that I have been musing about for the last few days - that to deal with Trump and his allies offences is going to need something using an international structure in the style of Nuremburg.

    There was a piece in the NYT the other day with commentary from a number of subject experts that US law possibilities for holding Trump & Co responsible for their crimes had essentially been gutted, most perniciously by the SCOTUS ruling on official Presidential acts not being subject to criminal law.

    Other possibilities are particular extensions to Impeachment to go beyond the usual limit of sacking them, and a Bill of Attainder.

    Even this like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act focus on US people bribing foreign governments, not US citizens accepting bribes.
    So you're proposing we violate US sovereignty to deal with Trump? It's bad enough for people with TDS to egg on a civil war without turning it into WW3 as well.
    Indeed. I'm glad you agree that national sovereignty is something worth protecting.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,676
    Police and CPS hold talks over AMW
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,277
    The most corrupt Attorney General in history is also the rudest.
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/2021617285362786367
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828
    Archer was just dawdling there !!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 4:58PM
    Archer still asleep on his comforty pillow.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,676
    Nigelb said:

    The most corrupt Attorney General in history is also the rudest.
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/2021617285362786367

    Makes one despair
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,422
    viewcode said:

    What was the Lib Dems big 9am announcement? Can't see anything about it anywhere.

    They intend to replace the Treasury with a Department Of Growth. Reviews were mixed.
    A very wet squib.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,277

    Nigelb said:

    The most corrupt Attorney General in history is also the rudest.
    https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/2021617285362786367

    Makes one despair
    There's always the cricket to cheer us up.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,513
    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,828

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    He’s a fighter not a quitter
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,109

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    Use of 'mandate' there. Subtle or non-subtle reminder to Lab MPs that new leader would not have that and suffer Brown's issue over this.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,990
    edited 5:01PM

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    Who is actually in charge of putting this stuff out. People are being paid this nonsense.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,133

    Just quit Keir.

    Why should he? He's finally discovered his backbone. I listened to PMQs and thought he was as good as I've heard him
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,754
    HYUFD said:

    Todays Local election musing from me for London is...... could Labour lose control of the entirety of Outer London?
    Of Boroughs bordering the outer edge, Labour currently gave majorities in Hounslow, Barnet, Enfield, Walthsm Forest and Redbridge and Croydon is very marginal.

    I dont expect Labour to recapture Croydon given their position and history of bankrupting it nor to be anywhere near the LDs in the SW or take back much if any ground in Havering, Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow or Bromley.
    Can they lose the rest? There was a sizeable swing in Hounslow against Labour in August and both Con and Ref will be looking to make ground. Barnet and Enfield are both Con targets and Labour have small najorities in each where loss of 6 or 7 seats loses the majority. I expect them to lose both - Barnet to Con, Enfield to NoC. Hounslow might well slip into NoC
    Waltham Forest and Redbridge are more problematic - the Lab majorities in Leyton and Walthsmstow etc are absolutely massive. In Redbridge the majorities are smaller but the majority on the council is very dominant, but has the close run in Ilford and the Gaza issue cracked it?

    My feeling is, in outer London, Labour will be left with just Waltham Forest (which is a straddler between inner and outer really) and a narrow grip on Redbridge. I suspect the Tories and LDs will both control more of outer London.
    Not impossible Reform will too

    Reform are likely to make inroads in Waltham Forest and Redbridge in the wards closer to the Essex border
    Unlikely in Redbridge. Result in 2022:

    58 Labour
    5 Tory.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,799

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2021610677576552694

    I will never walk away from the mandate I was given.

    I will never walk away from the people I'm fighting for.

    I will never walk away from the country I love.

    Who is actually in charge of putting this stuff out. People are being paid this nonsense.
    OpenAI?
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