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Could Labour hold Gorton and Denton? – politicalbetting.com

My view on private polling and canvass reports like this is that they are as reliable as Scottish sub-sample made up of 9 people in Inverkeithing or a poll of 143 residents in the constituency so I take these reports with huge dollops of cynicism. I am not backing Labour based on these reports.

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,268
    edited 8:00AM
    Morning PBers
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,736
    First? Unlike Labour?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,268
    edited 8:02AM

    First? Unlike Labour?

    Internal polls are indeed unreliable.

    Though I wouldn't suggest that you're making it up for entirely self serving reasons.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896
    QTWTAIN

    If they’re lucky they’ll be 3rd, behind both Reform and the Greens.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815
    That’s Sienna Rogers, former editor of Labourlist.

    There’s a lot of ramping from Labour supporting accounts and Labour people at the moment.

    I’ll take it with a pinch of salt until something more substantive and independent comes along.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,553
    edited 8:06AM
    Reality is no one is going to know the result of this election until the 27th/

    I can't remember which of the experts pointed out that doing an actual valid poll is going to impossible due to the demographics and the modern world so no-one is going to have a clue how to place their anti-Reform vote.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Reform won and Greens / Labour both finished within 100 votes of Reform..
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    A ‘leak’ to a friendly journalist. It’s a ploy that is as old as time itself.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,271
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Not a bubble...

    @labuzamovies.com‬

    Sora 2 apparently cost something like $5 billion to run every year and so far made OpenAI around $1.4 million.

    https://bsky.app/profile/labuzamovies.com/post/3mek2c2xipk2o

    When are these investments going to start to generate proper returns ?

    At the moment, it seems to me, it’s like the gold rush where more people, allegedly, made money from supplying the kit like the shovels than actually from the gold
    Well NVidia’s results suggest they’re making more money than anyone else at the moment, and their share price is up more than 50% YoY.

    Be the guy selling shovels.
    There's also a lot of vendor financing going on, especially by Nvidia. I think OpenAI and Oracle are in trouble for sure. I'm interested to see what kind of raise OpenAI will go for this summer or if they go public. Oracle are borrowing money like idiots to pay for data centres that OpenAI will never be able to pay for because they aren't able to get anyone to pay for ChatGPT or Sora other than MS who get hugely preferential rates due to their investment.

    Elon Musk has cynically merged xAI with SpaceX so he sidesteps having to actually make money from AI and Anthropic seem like the only AI specific company that has serious corporate penetration to last out the bubble burst.

    My guess is that OpenAI goes under and MS picks up the pieces for cheap and then they do what they always do and shit it up like they have with Activision.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,553
    Say you know you (Labour) are going to end up third. Thanking Andy for all his hard work is a great way to remove him from future contests..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,509
    Good morning, everyone.

    It's not impossible. But I think it's somewhere between very and dramatically unlikely.

    A risk of stories like this is that it makes it harder to play the "Governments always lose by-elections" line when previous claims of a credible shot at success have been made.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,728
    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,289
    I am shocked.

    The anonymous man behind the widely shared AI-generated music videos under the name Crewkerne Gazette has been unmasked by Channel 4 News.

    Joshua Bonehill-Paine is a notorious far-right figure who's spent five years in jail for a series of hate crimes against Jewish people, including inciting racial hatred and racially aggravated harassment against the Labour peer Baroness Berger.

    Bonehill-Paine posted a statement on his social media after our revelations denouncing anti-semitism and saying he had been "brainwashed" at the time.

    He said he regretted his past and the mistakes that he had made.


    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/2021202306474156295
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,289
    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,933
    Canvassing returns are notoriously unreliable .

    It’s hard to see a scenario where Labour hang on especially after the last weeks events . If Reform win it will be a stark reminder that the more progressive split in the votes will hand them loads of seats at the next GE with a relatively small vote share .

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,509
    F1: Test 2: Hide Harder starts today.

    The generous overlords have decreed the final hour may be televised. Unsure, but seems live data might be available throughout. I do have other stuff to do, shockingly, but someone like F1 Gamer (YouTube) will probably have all that up.

    Hoping Alonso looks good in the Aston Martin.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,553
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Not a bubble...

    @labuzamovies.com‬

    Sora 2 apparently cost something like $5 billion to run every year and so far made OpenAI around $1.4 million.

    https://bsky.app/profile/labuzamovies.com/post/3mek2c2xipk2o

    When are these investments going to start to generate proper returns ?

    At the moment, it seems to me, it’s like the gold rush where more people, allegedly, made money from supplying the kit like the shovels than actually from the gold
    Well NVidia’s results suggest they’re making more money than anyone else at the moment, and their share price is up more than 50% YoY.

    Be the guy selling shovels.
    There's also a lot of vendor financing going on, especially by Nvidia. I think OpenAI and Oracle are in trouble for sure. I'm interested to see what kind of raise OpenAI will go for this summer or if they go public. Oracle are borrowing money like idiots to pay for data centres that OpenAI will never be able to pay for because they aren't able to get anyone to pay for ChatGPT or Sora other than MS who get hugely preferential rates due to their investment.

    Elon Musk has cynically merged xAI with SpaceX so he sidesteps having to actually make money from AI and Anthropic seem like the only AI specific company that has serious corporate penetration to last out the bubble burst.

    My guess is that OpenAI goes under and MS picks up the pieces for cheap and then they do what they always do and shit it up like they have with Activision.
    The Oracle stuff just doesn't make sense - why build AI data centres (emphasis the AI because they are different to normal data centres) when you have neither the infrastructure and money to do so... I literally don't see how you can look at OpenAI's finances and go yep we will borrow $x00bn because OpenAI is looking to spend $x0bn (which it doesn't have) on renting GPUs from us.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,933

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    I was hoping for a defection but seeing as it’s merely an announcement and not a news conference I’ll put my popcorn back in the cupboard!
  • eekeek Posts: 32,553

    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948

    Where's watch in that list. If I'm going out shopping the first thing I do is make sure my Apple watch is on. Phones feel so awkward compared to tapping my wrist.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,689
    Ex-police chief said Trump told him in 2006 'everyone' knew of Epstein's behaviour

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2407jrn83o

    The Epstein files contain a record of an interview with a police chief in 2019, and he’s saying the same thing now when approached by the media, that Trump rang him in 2006 after an investigation into Epstein began, and Trump said, “Thank goodness you're stopping him, everyone has known he's been doing this." Trump went on that people knew Epstein was “disgusting” and also advised the investigation look at Ghislaine, who was “evil”.

    If this is true (and it relies on someone saying something in 2019 about an event 13 years earlier), it’s maybe good and bad news for Trump. Trump and his supporters say Trump cut off contact with Epstein before the investigation because Trump thought he was creepy. This phone call appears to corroborate that. However, Trump has also repeatedly said that he knew nothing about Epstein’s crimes, which this phone call contradicts. If Trump knew Epstein has “been doing this”, why didn’t he go to the police to report him in the first place?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,776
    My money is on a comfortable Green win.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815

    I am shocked.

    The anonymous man behind the widely shared AI-generated music videos under the name Crewkerne Gazette has been unmasked by Channel 4 News.

    Joshua Bonehill-Paine is a notorious far-right figure who's spent five years in jail for a series of hate crimes against Jewish people, including inciting racial hatred and racially aggravated harassment against the Labour peer Baroness Berger.

    Bonehill-Paine posted a statement on his social media after our revelations denouncing anti-semitism and saying he had been "brainwashed" at the time.

    He said he regretted his past and the mistakes that he had made.


    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/2021202306474156295

    The Crewkerne Gazette stuff is mildly amusing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815
    Ratters said:

    My money is on a comfortable Green win.

    Same here.

    I don’t see any reason to even risk a quid on Labour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,289
    eek said:

    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948

    Where's watch in that list. If I'm going out shopping the first thing I do is make sure my Apple watch is on. Phones feel so awkward compared to tapping my wrist.
    It is part of the phone option.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,066
    eek said:

    Reality is no one is going to know the result of this election until the 27th/

    I can't remember which of the experts pointed out that doing an actual valid poll is going to impossible due to the demographics and the modern world so no-one is going to have a clue how to place their anti-Reform vote.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Reform won and Greens / Labour both finished within 100 votes of Reform..

    No one knows the result until the count of course, but Greens, Reform and Labour will be getting a lot of feedback from their canvassers so will have a fair idea of how the campaign is going.

    While obviously all parties talk up their campaign it is worth bearing in mind the massive Labour majority even in an underwhelming election in July 24. It would have to be a total meltdown in order to come third. Even a partial meltdown should see them home.

    I think Greens will win, but not really value on current odds.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,728
    nico67 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    I was hoping for a defection but seeing as it’s merely an announcement and not a news conference I’ll put my popcorn back in the cupboard!
    Why the hell would anyone want to defect to the LibDems?

    In today's politics being a LibDem is like being a Big Supporter of carrot sticks as the big saviour of our increasing national sickness
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,293

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,293
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Reality is no one is going to know the result of this election until the 27th/

    I can't remember which of the experts pointed out that doing an actual valid poll is going to impossible due to the demographics and the modern world so no-one is going to have a clue how to place their anti-Reform vote.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Reform won and Greens / Labour both finished within 100 votes of Reform..

    No one knows the result until the count of course, but Greens, Reform and Labour will be getting a lot of feedback from their canvassers so will have a fair idea of how the campaign is going.

    While obviously all parties talk up their campaign it is worth bearing in mind the massive Labour majority even in an underwhelming election in July 24. It would have to be a total meltdown in order to come third. Even a partial meltdown should see them home.

    I think Greens will win, but not really value on current odds.
    In a by-election like this, more than the usual number (and the usual number is already surprisingly high) of people will make up their minds at the last minute, based on which party appears best placed to beat their most-hated party. Which is why all these campaign polls are circulated, the remarkable thing about them being how they always come out so optimally for the strategy of whichever party is claiming to have done or commissioned them...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,933
    IanB2 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
    In that case they would have not put a candidate forward and asked their voters to support the Greens so I don’t think that will be the announcement.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896
    Shooting in Canada, said to be 9 or 10 dead in multiple locations.

    There’s something in the reporting that doesn’t sound right though. Did the police know the shooter perhaps, or were they involved? They say the shooter is dead but aren’t naming them. Some reports of an armed woman.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cr5lnzqdr5pt
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,576
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Reality is no one is going to know the result of this election until the 27th/

    I can't remember which of the experts pointed out that doing an actual valid poll is going to impossible due to the demographics and the modern world so no-one is going to have a clue how to place their anti-Reform vote.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Reform won and Greens / Labour both finished within 100 votes of Reform..

    No one knows the result until the count of course, but Greens, Reform and Labour will be getting a lot of feedback from their canvassers so will have a fair idea of how the campaign is going.

    While obviously all parties talk up their campaign it is worth bearing in mind the massive Labour majority even in an underwhelming election in July 24. It would have to be a total meltdown in order to come third. Even a partial meltdown should see them home.

    I think Greens will win, but not really value on current odds.
    Though the best way to use canvassing is to have data from last time and look for changes.

    Greens and Reform obviously don't have that baseline data, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Labour records in an obviously safe seat were also pretty shlonky.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896

    F1: Test 2: Hide Harder starts today.

    The generous overlords have decreed the final hour may be televised. Unsure, but seems live data might be available throughout. I do have other stuff to do, shockingly, but someone like F1 Gamer (YouTube) will probably have all that up.

    Hoping Alonso looks good in the Aston Martin.

    They do have the proper live timing screen working on formula1.com this time, unlike the last test where a bunch of sleuths found it on a website API from the circuit.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,986

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    It is a very good leak for Reform - keeping Labour in the game is essential for them.

    And ultimately, oddly, Labour would probably prefer to lose this to Reform with a decent Labour vote, than have it taken by the Greens, eliminating Labour as the party of the progressive left. The first is unfortunate, the second is existential.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,565

    nico67 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    I was hoping for a defection but seeing as it’s merely an announcement and not a news conference I’ll put my popcorn back in the cupboard!
    Why the hell would anyone want to defect to the LibDems?

    In today's politics being a LibDem is like being a Big Supporter of carrot sticks as the big saviour of our increasing national sickness
    I sense you are not showing sufficient enthusiasm for the Orange revolution. There may be punishment beatings, with carrot sticks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,268
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Not a bubble...

    @labuzamovies.com‬

    Sora 2 apparently cost something like $5 billion to run every year and so far made OpenAI around $1.4 million.

    https://bsky.app/profile/labuzamovies.com/post/3mek2c2xipk2o

    When are these investments going to start to generate proper returns ?

    At the moment, it seems to me, it’s like the gold rush where more people, allegedly, made money from supplying the kit like the shovels than actually from the gold
    Well NVidia’s results suggest they’re making more money than anyone else at the moment, and their share price is up more than 50% YoY.

    Be the guy selling shovels.
    There's also a lot of vendor financing going on, especially by Nvidia. I think OpenAI and Oracle are in trouble for sure. I'm interested to see what kind of raise OpenAI will go for this summer or if they go public. Oracle are borrowing money like idiots to pay for data centres that OpenAI will never be able to pay for because they aren't able to get anyone to pay for ChatGPT or Sora other than MS who get hugely preferential rates due to their investment.

    Elon Musk has cynically merged xAI with SpaceX so he sidesteps having to actually make money from AI and Anthropic seem like the only AI specific company that has serious corporate penetration to last out the bubble burst.

    My guess is that OpenAI goes under and MS picks up the pieces for cheap and then they do what they always do and shit it up like they have with Activision.
    There's also the Chinese competition.
    They see it as a strategic industry in the same was as they did solar or batteries a decade or so back.

    There's at least a possibility that they do the same as they did then, though it's complicated by the high end chips being a (temporary at least) western monopoly.
    The other complicating factor is the development of optical processing, which might radically alter the cost/power/performance ratios.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815

    nico67 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    I was hoping for a defection but seeing as it’s merely an announcement and not a news conference I’ll put my popcorn back in the cupboard!
    Why the hell would anyone want to defect to the LibDems?

    In today's politics being a LibDem is like being a Big Supporter of carrot sticks as the big saviour of our increasing national sickness
    Are you no longer a Lib Dem then ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Reality is no one is going to know the result of this election until the 27th/

    I can't remember which of the experts pointed out that doing an actual valid poll is going to impossible due to the demographics and the modern world so no-one is going to have a clue how to place their anti-Reform vote.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Reform won and Greens / Labour both finished within 100 votes of Reform..

    No one knows the result until the count of course, but Greens, Reform and Labour will be getting a lot of feedback from their canvassers so will have a fair idea of how the campaign is going.

    While obviously all parties talk up their campaign it is worth bearing in mind the massive Labour majority even in an underwhelming election in July 24. It would have to be a total meltdown in order to come third. Even a partial meltdown should see them home.

    I think Greens will win, but not really value on current odds.
    Though the best way to use canvassing is to have data from last time and look for changes.

    Greens and Reform obviously don't have that baseline data, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Labour records in an obviously safe seat were also pretty shlonky.
    Good point, everyone’s data is going to be shlonky (shoddy?) in a new and safe seat where Labour got more than 50% last time out, that’s been a Labour area forever.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,268

    Ex-police chief said Trump told him in 2006 'everyone' knew of Epstein's behaviour

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2407jrn83o

    The Epstein files contain a record of an interview with a police chief in 2019, and he’s saying the same thing now when approached by the media, that Trump rang him in 2006 after an investigation into Epstein began, and Trump said, “Thank goodness you're stopping him, everyone has known he's been doing this." Trump went on that people knew Epstein was “disgusting” and also advised the investigation look at Ghislaine, who was “evil”.

    If this is true (and it relies on someone saying something in 2019 about an event 13 years earlier), it’s maybe good and bad news for Trump. Trump and his supporters say Trump cut off contact with Epstein before the investigation because Trump thought he was creepy. This phone call appears to corroborate that. However, Trump has also repeatedly said that he knew nothing about Epstein’s crimes, which this phone call contradicts. If Trump knew Epstein has “been doing this”, why didn’t he go to the police to report him in the first place?

    Curiously (or not) Trump's DOJ denies the credibility of this report.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,736
    Nigelb said:

    First? Unlike Labour?

    Internal polls are indeed unreliable.

    Though I wouldn't suggest that you're making it up for entirely self serving reasons.
    Second, unlike Labour, then.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,701
    eek said:

    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948

    Where's watch in that list. If I'm going out shopping the first thing I do is make sure my Apple watch is on. Phones feel so awkward compared to tapping my wrist.
    I'm intrigued by the few who Don't Know how they usually pay for things. Do they always go shopping with someone else who always pays for them?

    Good morning, everyone.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 340
    IanB2 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
    It may be a defection from HoC or Lord or a prominent Local Authority figure.

    LD are lacking column inches so may want to exploit that.

    Possible Labour more likely one nation Tory type?

    My hunch is to announce they are tabling a VONC in the Government.

    Puerile but it gains them column inches and intended to cause mischielf with 20 hard left abstentions or whip breakers getting suspended.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,553
    AnneJGP said:

    eek said:

    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948

    Where's watch in that list. If I'm going out shopping the first thing I do is make sure my Apple watch is on. Phones feel so awkward compared to tapping my wrist.
    I'm intrigued by the few who Don't Know how they usually pay for things. Do they always go shopping with someone else who always pays for them?

    Good morning, everyone.
    I suspect it's more I'm fed up with the survey so are no longer answering questions I don't care about..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,268
    edited 8:39AM
    eek said:

    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948

    Where's watch in that list. If I'm going out shopping the first thing I do is make sure my Apple watch is on. Phones feel so awkward compared to tapping my wrist.
    The wrist is passe.
    https://gotapster.com/en-gb

    You don't even need your phone.
    And no batteries.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,933
    The tension mounts as we wait for the major Lib Dem announcement!

    Given it’s the deputy leader trailing the announcement then I expect it will go down in the meh category.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,293
    AnneJGP said:

    eek said:

    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948

    Where's watch in that list. If I'm going out shopping the first thing I do is make sure my Apple watch is on. Phones feel so awkward compared to tapping my wrist.
    I'm intrigued by the few who Don't Know how they usually pay for things. Do they always go shopping with someone else who always pays for them?

    Good morning, everyone.
    Given the frequency of online polling nowadays, it can simply be a sign of a survey that has gone on a bit too long - or coincides with some other domestic eventuality such that someone finishes it off quickly by clicking "don't know" to the questions that remain
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815
    AnneJGP said:

    eek said:

    Cash will soon be obsolete, just look at those age splits.



    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2021273114416500948

    Where's watch in that list. If I'm going out shopping the first thing I do is make sure my Apple watch is on. Phones feel so awkward compared to tapping my wrist.
    I'm intrigued by the few who Don't Know how they usually pay for things. Do they always go shopping with someone else who always pays for them?

    Good morning, everyone.
    Morning

    I generally tend to use my cards or phone. Rarely use the watch as I find it a bit of a faff and hardly use cash. @Anabobazina, formerly of this parish would be proud.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 340

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    It is a very good leak for Reform - keeping Labour in the game is essential for them.

    And ultimately, oddly, Labour would probably prefer to lose this to Reform with a decent Labour vote, than have it taken by the Greens, eliminating Labour as the party of the progressive left. The first is unfortunate, the second is existential.
    If the Greens win Gorton it is barely "existential" to Labour. There have been massive protest By Election swings and votes in the past, a small tremor certainly not existential.

    Looking at the sourse of the comments, a Labour Lister and a Right Wing Tory rag journalist, I suspect the fact is Reform sit top, Labour and Green close second.

    The only way Burnham can figure here is if he actually turns up on the stump, very publically backs the candidate, gets seen and filmed door knocking and canvassing every day and attaches his name by default as "proxy" to the Vote. If he doesn't is backs the suspicion that aNDY Burnham is more interested in Andy Burnham than Labour. The is no "i" in team Andy!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,954
    edited 8:41AM

    I am shocked.

    The anonymous man behind the widely shared AI-generated music videos under the name Crewkerne Gazette has been unmasked by Channel 4 News.

    Joshua Bonehill-Paine is a notorious far-right figure who's spent five years in jail for a series of hate crimes against Jewish people, including inciting racial hatred and racially aggravated harassment against the Labour peer Baroness Berger.

    Bonehill-Paine posted a statement on his social media after our revelations denouncing anti-semitism and saying he had been "brainwashed" at the time.

    He said he regretted his past and the mistakes that he had made.


    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/2021202306474156295

    I would be shocked if it is just him. They get videos out so quickly. When I first saw it, I actually wondered if it was some sort of Russian operation.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,293
    Brixian59 said:

    IanB2 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
    It may be a defection from HoC or Lord or a prominent Local Authority figure.

    LD are lacking column inches so may want to exploit that.

    Possible Labour more likely one nation Tory type?

    My hunch is to announce they are tabling a VONC in the Government.

    Puerile but it gains them column inches and intended to cause mischielf with 20 hard left abstentions or whip breakers getting suspended.
    Certainly the smaller parties need to find ways to muscle into the headlines - hence the calls for public inquiries and the rest. But a VONC could also be a clever move to get MPs to tie themselves individually to a leader who most people believe is going to fall eventually - and to keep him in office, which suits the LDs better than running into the honeymoon of some fresh-faced replacement in the runup to the council elections.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,986
    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    It is a very good leak for Reform - keeping Labour in the game is essential for them.

    And ultimately, oddly, Labour would probably prefer to lose this to Reform with a decent Labour vote, than have it taken by the Greens, eliminating Labour as the party of the progressive left. The first is unfortunate, the second is existential.
    If the Greens win Gorton it is barely "existential" to Labour. There have been massive protest By Election swings and votes in the past, a small tremor certainly not existential.

    Looking at the sourse of the comments, a Labour Lister and a Right Wing Tory rag journalist, I suspect the fact is Reform sit top, Labour and Green close second.

    The only way Burnham can figure here is if he actually turns up on the stump, very publically backs the candidate, gets seen and filmed door knocking and canvassing every day and attaches his name by default as "proxy" to the Vote. If he doesn't is backs the suspicion that aNDY Burnham is more interested in Andy Burnham than Labour. The is no "i" in team Andy!
    I dare say Burnham will do some walk rounds and some media for the Labour candidate - from a purely cynical perspective it's good publicity for the future.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,289
    Brixian59 said:

    IanB2 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
    It may be a defection from HoC or Lord or a prominent Local Authority figure.

    LD are lacking column inches so may want to exploit that.

    Possible Labour more likely one nation Tory type?

    My hunch is to announce they are tabling a VONC in the Government.

    Puerile but it gains them column inches and intended to cause mischielf with 20 hard left abstentions or whip breakers getting suspended.
    Only the Leader of the Opposition can formally table a VONC.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    It is a very good leak for Reform - keeping Labour in the game is essential for them.

    And ultimately, oddly, Labour would probably prefer to lose this to Reform with a decent Labour vote, than have it taken by the Greens, eliminating Labour as the party of the progressive left. The first is unfortunate, the second is existential.
    If the Greens win Gorton it is barely "existential" to Labour. There have been massive protest By Election swings and votes in the past, a small tremor certainly not existential.

    Looking at the sourse of the comments, a Labour Lister and a Right Wing Tory rag journalist, I suspect the fact is Reform sit top, Labour and Green close second.

    The only way Burnham can figure here is if he actually turns up on the stump, very publically backs the candidate, gets seen and filmed door knocking and canvassing every day and attaches his name by default as "proxy" to the Vote. If he doesn't is backs the suspicion that aNDY Burnham is more interested in Andy Burnham than Labour. The is no "i" in team Andy!
    I dare say Burnham will do some walk rounds and some media for the Labour candidate - from a purely cynical perspective it's good publicity for the future.
    Indeed. The best thing he can do is help out and then watch the Lab candidate lose, so everyone can put two and two together and wonder what the result would have been if they’d chosen the obvious candidate.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,986
    Sandpit said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    It is a very good leak for Reform - keeping Labour in the game is essential for them.

    And ultimately, oddly, Labour would probably prefer to lose this to Reform with a decent Labour vote, than have it taken by the Greens, eliminating Labour as the party of the progressive left. The first is unfortunate, the second is existential.
    If the Greens win Gorton it is barely "existential" to Labour. There have been massive protest By Election swings and votes in the past, a small tremor certainly not existential.

    Looking at the sourse of the comments, a Labour Lister and a Right Wing Tory rag journalist, I suspect the fact is Reform sit top, Labour and Green close second.

    The only way Burnham can figure here is if he actually turns up on the stump, very publically backs the candidate, gets seen and filmed door knocking and canvassing every day and attaches his name by default as "proxy" to the Vote. If he doesn't is backs the suspicion that aNDY Burnham is more interested in Andy Burnham than Labour. The is no "i" in team Andy!
    I dare say Burnham will do some walk rounds and some media for the Labour candidate - from a purely cynical perspective it's good publicity for the future.
    Indeed. The best thing he can do is help out and then watch the Lab candidate lose, so everyone can put two and two together and wonder what the result would have been if they’d chosen the obvious candidate.
    He will obviously not want to do enough to actually make her win, though I am not sure that is entirely in his gift.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,728
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    I was hoping for a defection but seeing as it’s merely an announcement and not a news conference I’ll put my popcorn back in the cupboard!
    Why the hell would anyone want to defect to the LibDems?

    In today's politics being a LibDem is like being a Big Supporter of carrot sticks as the big saviour of our increasing national sickness
    Are you no longer a Lib Dem then ?
    Still the local Carrot Sticks Convenor
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,725
    I think it’s Green vs Ref, but most likely Green gain. Labour doing better than expected would put a dampener on the Green fortunes though.

    That said, I do want to hesitantly note that there appears to have been a mild Labour recovery in some polls of late (moving out of apocalyptic to disaster, only, but a mild recovery nevertheless). Whilst I am sure that the Epstein stuff is very damaging, I do think that Labour are perhaps stabilising at a floor, and if I was a Labour supporter attempting to find some reasons for cheer, I would note that Reform appear to have hit a ceiling and (depending on which pollster you believe) the gap is not, in midterm, utterly insurmountable.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,510
    edited 8:52AM
    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,504
    Will it be a bar chart proving only the lib dems can win the by election?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,387
    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Of course not. We just know ‘terror attack’ has not been ruled out yet.

    Don’t see how speculation helps really.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,728
    On topic, I'm unsure that Labour can win it. An awful lot of reportage showing that there's an awful lot of pissed off people. Question is whether the Fukoff vote splinters Red and Green and allows Goodwin to walk through the middle.

    Reform are my assumed winner. And why not - Matt Goodwin in the Commons would be high quality entertainment as he's bonkers. The High Priest of Reformery.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815

    Will it be a bar chart proving only the lib dems can win the by election?

    Daisy Cooper is challenging Jedward Davey for the leadership 🤔
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,510

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 340

    Brixian59 said:

    IanB2 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
    It may be a defection from HoC or Lord or a prominent Local Authority figure.

    LD are lacking column inches so may want to exploit that.

    Possible Labour more likely one nation Tory type?

    My hunch is to announce they are tabling a VONC in the Government.

    Puerile but it gains them column inches and intended to cause mischielf with 20 hard left abstentions or whip breakers getting suspended.
    Only the Leader of the Opposition can formally table a VONC.
    Ah OK

    So when Davey has mentioned it he's showboating?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,740
    It's the hope that kills you.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,504
    45 secs and counting
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,289
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    IanB2 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
    It may be a defection from HoC or Lord or a prominent Local Authority figure.

    LD are lacking column inches so may want to exploit that.

    Possible Labour more likely one nation Tory type?

    My hunch is to announce they are tabling a VONC in the Government.

    Puerile but it gains them column inches and intended to cause mischielf with 20 hard left abstentions or whip breakers getting suspended.
    Only the Leader of the Opposition can formally table a VONC.
    Ah OK

    So when Davey has mentioned it he's showboating?
    When the LOTO tables a VONC it takes precedence over all other business (except a budget) if another party tables one all other business carries on as normal, then the Speaker may consider it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,740
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
    Nonsense! He was probably just saying "Allahu art in heaven!".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,289
    The South Africans and Afghans have collectively shit the bed here.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,504
    edited 9:03AM
    Nothing on the bbc news
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,954
    So what's the big Lib Dem news? The Unknown Stuntman is stepping down as he has landed a role in the upcoming sequel to the Fall Guy?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,510
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Of course not. We just know ‘terror attack’ has not been ruled out yet.

    Don’t see how speculation helps really.
    It's not "speculation" it's proper newspaper reporting. Moreover, the Met are saying:

    "At this very early stage, we are keeping an open mind as to any motivation behind this attack. However, due to the surrounding circumstances, the investigation is now being led by officers from Counter Terrorism Policing London"

    So, I repeat, "Islamist" seems a reaonable assumption, but not 100% certain. If we have to wait for 100% certainty before saying anything, PB would say basically nothing!
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
    Perhaps they didn’t get round to showing ‘Adolescence’ in that school ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,293
    edited 9:04AM

    Brixian59 said:

    IanB2 said:

    BIG LibDem announcement at 9.

    Remember that I had a vivid dream where LibDem, Green and Reform parties created an electoral pact to take on the LabCon...

    The LDs and Greens have dealt before, and a recommendation for voters to support the Greens in the by-election would obviously be helpful to them. But doing so after the candidate has been selected and nominated would be extraordinarily harsh for them, if with the consequence that the ensuing low poll is thereby excused.
    It may be a defection from HoC or Lord or a prominent Local Authority figure.

    LD are lacking column inches so may want to exploit that.

    Possible Labour more likely one nation Tory type?

    My hunch is to announce they are tabling a VONC in the Government.

    Puerile but it gains them column inches and intended to cause mischielf with 20 hard left abstentions or whip breakers getting suspended.
    Only the Leader of the Opposition can formally table a VONC.
    Not so - but only the Leader of the Opposition has the right, provided its reasonable, to have time allocated to debate it. Other party leaders can table such a motion - and have done so before - but it's up to the Speaker whether it gets debated, and normally it hasn't been.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Of course not. We just know ‘terror attack’ has not been ruled out yet.

    Don’t see how speculation helps really.
    It's not "speculation" it's proper newspaper reporting. Moreover, the Met are saying:

    "At this very early stage, we are keeping an open mind as to any motivation behind this attack. However, due to the surrounding circumstances, the investigation is now being led by officers from Counter Terrorism Policing London"

    So, I repeat, "Islamist" seems a reaonable assumption, but not 100% certain. If we have to wait for 100% certainty before saying anything, PB would say basically nothing!
    Okay, the reports have clearly got more information now than the one I saw earlier.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,878
    If you are trailing an announcement at 9am, then deliver on time.

    It is impolite to keep people waiting
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,954
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
    Perhaps they didn’t get round to showing ‘Adolescence’ in that school ?
    As somebody said once or twice....Fantastic Netflix Documentary.....
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 340

    If you are trailing an announcement at 9am, then deliver on time.

    It is impolite to keep people waiting

    Someone can't find their cardigan
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,689

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
    Perhaps they didn’t get round to showing ‘Adolescence’ in that school ?
    As somebody said once or twice....Fantastic Netflix Documentary.....
    He's rumoured to be up for the job of running Dr Who.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896
    Did someone forget their socks and sandals?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 340

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
    Nonsense! He was probably just saying "Allahu art in heaven!".
    Daily Mail is not a reputable source

    Can you show a reputable source

    Preferably not a curry source
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896

    Sandpit said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    It is a very good leak for Reform - keeping Labour in the game is essential for them.

    And ultimately, oddly, Labour would probably prefer to lose this to Reform with a decent Labour vote, than have it taken by the Greens, eliminating Labour as the party of the progressive left. The first is unfortunate, the second is existential.
    If the Greens win Gorton it is barely "existential" to Labour. There have been massive protest By Election swings and votes in the past, a small tremor certainly not existential.

    Looking at the sourse of the comments, a Labour Lister and a Right Wing Tory rag journalist, I suspect the fact is Reform sit top, Labour and Green close second.

    The only way Burnham can figure here is if he actually turns up on the stump, very publically backs the candidate, gets seen and filmed door knocking and canvassing every day and attaches his name by default as "proxy" to the Vote. If he doesn't is backs the suspicion that aNDY Burnham is more interested in Andy Burnham than Labour. The is no "i" in team Andy!
    I dare say Burnham will do some walk rounds and some media for the Labour candidate - from a purely cynical perspective it's good publicity for the future.
    Indeed. The best thing he can do is help out and then watch the Lab candidate lose, so everyone can put two and two together and wonder what the result would have been if they’d chosen the obvious candidate.
    He will obviously not want to do enough to actually make her win, though I am not sure that is entirely in his gift.
    He needs to do enough that the local party recognizes his effort back to HQ, but not too much more.

    If I lived in that constituency and he knocked on my door, I’d say I would have voted to get him in Parliament as opposition to Starmer, but can’t be bothered to vote for some other random that gives the PM a win.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 340

    Nothing on the bbc news

    Sandpit said:

    Did someone forget their socks and sandals?

    It's a treasury announcement apparently
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
    Perhaps they didn’t get round to showing ‘Adolescence’ in that school ?
    As somebody said once or twice....Fantastic Netflix Documentary.....
    He's rumoured to be up for the job of running Dr Who.
    I assumed it was dead following the collapse of the Disney deal.

    Might not be a bad thing. I may start watching it again.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,418
    Brixian59 said:

    Nothing on the bbc news

    Sandpit said:

    Did someone forget their socks and sandals?

    It's a treasury announcement apparently
    A whacky snow related stunt to coincide with the Winter Olympics would be more effective.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896
    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,510
    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    ALIENS!!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,427
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    All flights to and from El Paso, Texas, have been grounded for ten days for “Special Security Reasons”, the Federal Aviation Administration announced.

    Shutting down airspace of a major US city for such an extended period hasn’t happened since the aftermath of 9-11.

    @chasingray.bsky.social‬

    What the heck? This is a big airspace closure in New Mexico for no known reason.

    It doesn’t help that the guy answering the provided FAA phone number for questions is telling the press (from the article) that he has no idea what’s going on.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chasingray.bsky.social/post/3mekypea6jk2h
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,427
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    ALIENS!!
    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mel535cdgc2b
  • eekeek Posts: 32,553
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this "leak" is entirely linked with Operation Save SKS.

    It is a very good leak for Reform - keeping Labour in the game is essential for them.

    And ultimately, oddly, Labour would probably prefer to lose this to Reform with a decent Labour vote, than have it taken by the Greens, eliminating Labour as the party of the progressive left. The first is unfortunate, the second is existential.
    If the Greens win Gorton it is barely "existential" to Labour. There have been massive protest By Election swings and votes in the past, a small tremor certainly not existential.

    Looking at the sourse of the comments, a Labour Lister and a Right Wing Tory rag journalist, I suspect the fact is Reform sit top, Labour and Green close second.

    The only way Burnham can figure here is if he actually turns up on the stump, very publically backs the candidate, gets seen and filmed door knocking and canvassing every day and attaches his name by default as "proxy" to the Vote. If he doesn't is backs the suspicion that aNDY Burnham is more interested in Andy Burnham than Labour. The is no "i" in team Andy!
    I dare say Burnham will do some walk rounds and some media for the Labour candidate - from a purely cynical perspective it's good publicity for the future.
    Indeed. The best thing he can do is help out and then watch the Lab candidate lose, so everyone can put two and two together and wonder what the result would have been if they’d chosen the obvious candidate.
    He will obviously not want to do enough to actually make her win, though I am not sure that is entirely in his gift.
    He needs to do enough that the local party recognizes his effort back to HQ, but not too much more.

    If I lived in that constituency and he knocked on my door, I’d say I would have voted to get him in Parliament as opposition to Starmer, but can’t be bothered to vote for some other random that gives the PM a win.
    I would be saying I’m voting Green to keep Reform out as it seems the safer None of the Above choice
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,815
    lol

    ‘ The Green Party candidate for the Gorton and Denton by-election once wrote online that she was “glad” to move out of the area and said one of its high streets was full of “money-laundering takeaways”.’

    https://x.com/tony_diver/status/2021505996909400441?s=61
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,510
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    ALIENS!!
    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mel535cdgc2b
    There have been delicious rumours floating around X that Trump is going to do the Disclosure speech, confirming the existence of NHI and recovered materials

    To be taken with a Himalayan-sized pinch of salt, but entertaining, nonetheless
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,689
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    So we had an Islamist terror attack at a school, leaving two boys chopped up and critically injured in hospital, and we've gotten so used to it this doesn't even get a passing mention on PB

    It's this normalisation that's the truly worrying development. The country is being Ulsterised

    Do we know it was an Islamist terror attack?
    Counter terrorism are on the job, and it is widely reported the assailant shouted Allahu Akhbar before trying to kill everyone

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15547775/Attacker-shouted-Allahu-Akbar-stabbing-rampage-London.html

    "Islamist" seems a reasonable assumption, tho it is not proven, of course
    Perhaps they didn’t get round to showing ‘Adolescence’ in that school ?
    As somebody said once or twice....Fantastic Netflix Documentary.....
    He's rumoured to be up for the job of running Dr Who.
    I assumed it was dead following the collapse of the Disney deal.

    Might not be a bad thing. I may start watching it again.
    There are rumours. I don't know if they are correct, but the rumours say... The BBC are keen to continue with Dr Who in some form. RTD is out, although may be doing an Xmas 2026 episode as his final thing. The question is what next. RTD is supposedly pushing for Pete McTighe, who has worked on the show and on The War Between the Land and the Sea, but the BBC are more interested in Jack Thorne, who is interested.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,387
    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    Picture of the day.


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,418
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    ALIENS!!
    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mel535cdgc2b
    Reading the replies I didn't realise MAGA had a fixation with space aliens. Didn't we used to have some lunatic right winger in here who constantly posted about UFO invasions? I think he subsequently left, got banned or was abducted by aliens.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,896
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    ALIENS!!
    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mel535cdgc2b
    There have been delicious rumours floating around X that Trump is going to do the Disclosure speech, confirming the existence of NHI and recovered materials

    To be taken with a Himalayan-sized pinch of salt, but entertaining, nonetheless
    Joe Rogan’s talked about this loads. One of his podcast guests admitted that he was part of a team the US government hired to work through and balance the pros and cons of admitting that aliens exist. They eventually decided that the negatives outweighed the positives - but that was a decade ago.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,553

    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    Picture of the day.


    I wondered why I recognized the name, El Paso is where nuclear tests were done - and the moratorium on actual testing has been ditched
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,689

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    There’s something going on in El Paso, Texas.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2021487628475052071

    Federal Aviation Administration just closed the airspace for 10 miles around the airport there for the next 10 days, with almost no notice, causing inbound commercial flights to divert.

    Posssibly related to US military operations against Mexican cartels following the killing of a dozen Canadian miners, or possibly related to deportation flights out of the US. Any other ideas?

    ALIENS!!
    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mel535cdgc2b
    Reading the replies I didn't realise MAGA had a fixation with space aliens. Didn't we used to have some lunatic right winger in here who constantly posted about UFO invasions? I think he subsequently left, got banned or was abducted by aliens.
    Lunatic right wingers believing in UFOs? Could there be such people here? Not just one, but two? Hard to fathom...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,054
    Morning all :)

    While everyone gets understandably excited at the big LD announcement (I believe they've found reserves of 20 billion barrels of oil under Ed Davey's garden but I could be wrong), we continue to salivate over a by election in Manchester in a fortnight where the lack of objective verifiable information allows speculation to run riot - and don't we call enjoy a good speculation?

    Further away, it appears Sussan Ley (the equivalent of Kemi Badenoch in Australia) is going to face a challenge "in the Party room" from Angus Taylor who was quit the Shadow Cabinet. I presume only Liberal MPs are allowed to vote on the leadership - not sure if Senators have a vote.

    The Liberals are now a poor third in recent polls behind Labor and One Nation polling 18-20% (sound familiar?) and Ley's lacklustre performance has raised questions especially with the former Coalition with the Nationals now in pieces.
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