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  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,418

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?
    Dodgy bar charts. .. isn't that the lib dems?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,687
    And now for our younger viewers - Freestyle Skiing!
  • Lawson said:

    There was a woman on the radio in the morning in tears about the state of this country. This stuff is badly affecting people now the chaos and drift.

    Welcome to PB, Mr. Lawson.

    Having reached the History of Byzantium episode in which Constantinople falls forever, I think it's fair to say that things could be worse.
    I’m off to do a bit of doorstep research in Gorton tomorrow. I’m quite looking forward to it.

    I’m also expecting it to be more positive than today on PB.

    I actually think Kier is doing okay and while I’ll be canvassing for t”Greens I’ll be listening carefully for this scary cut through destined to overturn those evil centrist scumbags in power.
    Yes, it's probably a three way marginal.
    I thought you were still talking about Ghislaine for a moment.
    No-one loses their deposits in a three way marginal.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,082

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like earning brownie points for a future leadership run should a vacancy arise.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,418

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    It's a very clear sign.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,391

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    And he'll write back asking Lab to stand aside to let the Greens have a clear run.
    She has an answer to that:

    https://x.com/LucyMPowell/status/2020089424890282489

    Your whole strategy is based on bigging up the Greens to split and suppress our vote. That’s your only route to victory.

    We have way more data than both of you - based on thousands and thousands of conversations - and we know what it says.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,082
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Well Maggie was a secret minx.


    Do we know if it was a proper threesome, i.e. two females and one guy or fake threesome which is two guys and one female?
    Boris, Epstein, and Maxwell.
    I am certain it isn't Boris Johnson.
    Well that just leaves one on my shortlist.

    Does Maxwell wear a distinctive necklace, by any chance?
    May graduated before Maxwell started at Oxford
    Liz Truss was the one with the necklace.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,465

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    It's a very clear sign.
    The Sunday politics shows will have a heyday on that

    What was she thinking - no she wasn't was she ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,029

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,465

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    Thanks but how are candidates then put forward for nomination?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,029

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    And he'll write back asking Lab to stand aside to let the Greens have a clear run.
    She has an answer to that:

    https://x.com/LucyMPowell/status/2020089424890282489

    Your whole strategy is based on bigging up the Greens to split and suppress our vote. That’s your only route to victory.

    We have way more data than both of you - based on thousands and thousands of conversations - and we know what it says.
    "and we know what it says"

    Indeed:

    "Labour? You're havin' a laugh aren't you mate - jog on. And no I don't want a leaflet in case I change my mind."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,029

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    Thanks but how are candidates then put forward for nomination?
    If I understand the rules the nomination and vote for new leader is exactly as if there is already a leader. so 81 MPs
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,083

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,811
    Fantastic charge down. First points on the board to England.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,465
    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,791

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: Where potential successors stand at the end of a torrid week for PM

    — Burnham supporters given up on him getting a seat under this leadership despite another GM one rumoured to become vacant soon
    — Some still on the Wes train & insist he understands deep rethink required – but others say Streeting too damaged by Mandelson scandal
    — There’s ‘Al-mentum’ behind Carns – but total lack of experience. He “would be a more right-wing PM than Thatcher” reckons one MP
    — Rayner still in lead but frozen by HMRC & some supporters worry about her “credibility” even after it wraps up
    — other options floated by soft left include Lucy Powell, Ed Miliband
    — surprise idea: John Healey as a “unifying figure” post-May

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2020073578582958519

    The holders of the Great Offices of State don't even get a mention.

    I think Mahmood would be more than capable, but too many of the membership would have palpitations.
    I think Mahmood might be very good. In betting terms, not WRT my own views, when you consider how it has given problems to a quite mainstream moderate evangelical like Tim Farron, occupying a small party leader position, is the party/country yet ready for a very committed Muslim PM? Do we have depth insight into exactly where she is on a few issues where mainstream Islamic opinion and majority UK opinion (ignoring all extremes) come into a degree of conflict?
    My headcanon says this
    • Streeting = New Labour and the preferred candidate of the Blairites
    • Mahmood = Blue Labour and the preferred candidate of the Glasmanites
    • Rayner = Old Labour and the preferred candidate of the progressive left, soft left and (by elimination) the Corbynites
    The Blairites have the money and will produce polls saying exactly what they want them to, so we can't discount him. Blue Labour are influential but don't have a power base, at least not yet. Rayner has the soul of the party and the MPs. So I figure Mahmood will come third and then it's a scrap between Streeting and Rayner. If it goes to the membership Rayner will win. (I forget the rules of Labour leader elections).
    You need 81 MPs to nominate you, Streeting would get that but Rayner less clear?
    There are 400-ish Labour MPs so Rayner needs 1 in 5. Sounds doable.
    We will see, however all the new elected Labour MPs in 2024, gaining seats from the Tories and SNP or replacing MPs standing down, only got on the approved Labour candidates list from the NEC as they were Starmer loyalists
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    edited 4:56PM
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: Where potential successors stand at the end of a torrid week for PM

    — Burnham supporters given up on him getting a seat under this leadership despite another GM one rumoured to become vacant soon
    — Some still on the Wes train & insist he understands deep rethink required – but others say Streeting too damaged by Mandelson scandal
    — There’s ‘Al-mentum’ behind Carns – but total lack of experience. He “would be a more right-wing PM than Thatcher” reckons one MP
    — Rayner still in lead but frozen by HMRC & some supporters worry about her “credibility” even after it wraps up
    — other options floated by soft left include Lucy Powell, Ed Miliband
    — surprise idea: John Healey as a “unifying figure” post-May

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2020073578582958519

    The holders of the Great Offices of State don't even get a mention.

    I think Mahmood would be more than capable, but too many of the membership would have palpitations.
    I think Mahmood might be very good. In betting terms, not WRT my own views, when you consider how it has given problems to a quite mainstream moderate evangelical like Tim Farron, occupying a small party leader position, is the party/country yet ready for a very committed Muslim PM? Do we have depth insight into exactly where she is on a few issues where mainstream Islamic opinion and majority UK opinion (ignoring all extremes) come into a degree of conflict?
    My headcanon says this
    • Streeting = New Labour and the preferred candidate of the Blairites
    • Mahmood = Blue Labour and the preferred candidate of the Glasmanites
    • Rayner = Old Labour and the preferred candidate of the progressive left, soft left and (by elimination) the Corbynites
    The Blairites have the money and will produce polls saying exactly what they want them to, so we can't discount him. Blue Labour are influential but don't have a power base, at least not yet. Rayner has the soul of the party and the MPs. So I figure Mahmood will come third and then it's a scrap between Streeting and Rayner. If it goes to the membership Rayner will win. (I forget the rules of Labour leader elections).
    You need 81 MPs to nominate you, Streeting would get that but Rayner less clear?
    There are 400-ish Labour MPs so Rayner needs 1 in 5. Sounds doable.
    We will see, however all the new elected Labour MPs in 2024, gaining seats from the Tories and SNP or replacing MPs standing down, only got on the approved Labour candidates list from the NEC as they were Starmer loyalists
    I can see 3 getting enough on board. After Corbyn i think leant nominations are gone for Labour.
    A Wes vs Ange vs Ed contest with Lammy, Phillipson and Powell standing but withdrawing short of numbers?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,480
    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Gails? Is she defecting to the Lib Dems?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,804
    I can't tell whether England are excellent at effecting turnovers or Wales are really bad at keeping the ball.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,811
    Lol 13 men.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196
    I am rather enjoying events at Twickenham.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    Must be a good chance of some fresh Mandy juice for the Sundays. A few old stories getting dusted off
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196

    Must be a good chance of some fresh Mandy juice for the Sundays. A few old stories getting dusted off

    I am expecting some non Mandy Epstein revelations this weekend.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    edited 5:07PM

    Must be a good chance of some fresh Mandy juice for the Sundays. A few old stories getting dusted off

    I am expecting some non Mandy Epstein revelations this weekend.
    Political, royal or celebrity?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,418

    I am rather enjoying events at Twickenham.

    Yes, but strangely a less interesting game than Scotland v Italy.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,390
    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Gail's??? Class traitor.

    I'm sure that Wor Bridget is a Greggs lass.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,791

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: Where potential successors stand at the end of a torrid week for PM

    — Burnham supporters given up on him getting a seat under this leadership despite another GM one rumoured to become vacant soon
    — Some still on the Wes train & insist he understands deep rethink required – but others say Streeting too damaged by Mandelson scandal
    — There’s ‘Al-mentum’ behind Carns – but total lack of experience. He “would be a more right-wing PM than Thatcher” reckons one MP
    — Rayner still in lead but frozen by HMRC & some supporters worry about her “credibility” even after it wraps up
    — other options floated by soft left include Lucy Powell, Ed Miliband
    — surprise idea: John Healey as a “unifying figure” post-May

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2020073578582958519

    The holders of the Great Offices of State don't even get a mention.

    I think Mahmood would be more than capable, but too many of the membership would have palpitations.
    I think Mahmood might be very good. In betting terms, not WRT my own views, when you consider how it has given problems to a quite mainstream moderate evangelical like Tim Farron, occupying a small party leader position, is the party/country yet ready for a very committed Muslim PM? Do we have depth insight into exactly where she is on a few issues where mainstream Islamic opinion and majority UK opinion (ignoring all extremes) come into a degree of conflict?
    My headcanon says this
    • Streeting = New Labour and the preferred candidate of the Blairites
    • Mahmood = Blue Labour and the preferred candidate of the Glasmanites
    • Rayner = Old Labour and the preferred candidate of the progressive left, soft left and (by elimination) the Corbynites
    The Blairites have the money and will produce polls saying exactly what they want them to, so we can't discount him. Blue Labour are influential but don't have a power base, at least not yet. Rayner has the soul of the party and the MPs. So I figure Mahmood will come third and then it's a scrap between Streeting and Rayner. If it goes to the membership Rayner will win. (I forget the rules of Labour leader elections).
    You need 81 MPs to nominate you, Streeting would get that but Rayner less clear?
    There are 400-ish Labour MPs so Rayner needs 1 in 5. Sounds doable.
    We will see, however all the new elected Labour MPs in 2024, gaining seats from the Tories and SNP or replacing MPs standing down, only got on the approved Labour candidates list from the NEC as they were Starmer loyalists
    I can see 3 getting enough on board. After Corbyn i think leant nominations are gone for Labour.
    A Wes vs Ange vs Ed contest with Lammy, Phillipson and Powell standing but withdrawing short of numbers?
    Maybe or Wes v Ed v Healey or Cooper if Ange falls short
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,390

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Labour is not good at politics.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,571

    boulay said:

    Well Maggie was a secret minx.


    Do we know if it was a proper threesome, i.e. two females and one guy or fake threesome which is two guys and one female?
    None of this should come as any surprise.

    We already know she shagged AMW.
    I don't. Who is AMW?
    The Prince formerly known as the Duke of York.
    Ah. He'll always be Ponce Andrew to me.
    When I was growing up he was known as “Handy Andy” because he groped my aunt
    Is your aunt called Eugenie?

    https://www.newsweek.com/prince-andrew-interaction-princess-eugenie-raises-eyebrows-online-1741984
    That would make me about 11…
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: Where potential successors stand at the end of a torrid week for PM

    — Burnham supporters given up on him getting a seat under this leadership despite another GM one rumoured to become vacant soon
    — Some still on the Wes train & insist he understands deep rethink required – but others say Streeting too damaged by Mandelson scandal
    — There’s ‘Al-mentum’ behind Carns – but total lack of experience. He “would be a more right-wing PM than Thatcher” reckons one MP
    — Rayner still in lead but frozen by HMRC & some supporters worry about her “credibility” even after it wraps up
    — other options floated by soft left include Lucy Powell, Ed Miliband
    — surprise idea: John Healey as a “unifying figure” post-May

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2020073578582958519

    The holders of the Great Offices of State don't even get a mention.

    I think Mahmood would be more than capable, but too many of the membership would have palpitations.
    I think Mahmood might be very good. In betting terms, not WRT my own views, when you consider how it has given problems to a quite mainstream moderate evangelical like Tim Farron, occupying a small party leader position, is the party/country yet ready for a very committed Muslim PM? Do we have depth insight into exactly where she is on a few issues where mainstream Islamic opinion and majority UK opinion (ignoring all extremes) come into a degree of conflict?
    My headcanon says this
    • Streeting = New Labour and the preferred candidate of the Blairites
    • Mahmood = Blue Labour and the preferred candidate of the Glasmanites
    • Rayner = Old Labour and the preferred candidate of the progressive left, soft left and (by elimination) the Corbynites
    The Blairites have the money and will produce polls saying exactly what they want them to, so we can't discount him. Blue Labour are influential but don't have a power base, at least not yet. Rayner has the soul of the party and the MPs. So I figure Mahmood will come third and then it's a scrap between Streeting and Rayner. If it goes to the membership Rayner will win. (I forget the rules of Labour leader elections).
    You need 81 MPs to nominate you, Streeting would get that but Rayner less clear?
    There are 400-ish Labour MPs so Rayner needs 1 in 5. Sounds doable.
    We will see, however all the new elected Labour MPs in 2024, gaining seats from the Tories and SNP or replacing MPs standing down, only got on the approved Labour candidates list from the NEC as they were Starmer loyalists
    I can see 3 getting enough on board. After Corbyn i think leant nominations are gone for Labour.
    A Wes vs Ange vs Ed contest with Lammy, Phillipson and Powell standing but withdrawing short of numbers?
    Maybe or Wes v Ed v Healey or Cooper if Ange falls short
    Cooper doesnt strike me as being keen for the job. Might be wrong of course
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,390
    Sandpit said:

    Lol 13 men.

    Proper rugby!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,811
    Events at Twickenham are not favouring the visiting side.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,418

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Wales are not good at rugby
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196

    Must be a good chance of some fresh Mandy juice for the Sundays. A few old stories getting dusted off

    I am expecting some non Mandy Epstein revelations this weekend.
    Political, royal or celebrity?
    All three but mostly royal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196
    Fuck these adverts.

    I'd vote Reform if Nigel Farage banned in rugby adverts.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,465

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Wales are not good at rugby
    I know
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,918

    Must be a good chance of some fresh Mandy juice for the Sundays. A few old stories getting dusted off

    I am expecting some non Mandy Epstein revelations this weekend.
    Political, royal or celebrity?
    All three but mostly royal.
    So Randy not Mandy?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,418

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Wales are not good at rugby
    I know
    You can watch how big the mens penises are on the Winter Olympics on BBC 2, if you prefer.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,811
    edited 5:18PM

    Fuck these adverts.

    I'd vote Reform if Nigel Farage banned in rugby adverts.

    Yeah WTF was that about?
    International broadcast showed an ad.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,807

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    3 absolute duffers with lammy rivalling Cooper as biggest duffer of all time.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,571

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    And he'll write back asking Lab to stand aside to let the Greens have a clear run.
    As well as adding in a few pointed examples of their failures
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,807

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: Where potential successors stand at the end of a torrid week for PM

    — Burnham supporters given up on him getting a seat under this leadership despite another GM one rumoured to become vacant soon
    — Some still on the Wes train & insist he understands deep rethink required – but others say Streeting too damaged by Mandelson scandal
    — There’s ‘Al-mentum’ behind Carns – but total lack of experience. He “would be a more right-wing PM than Thatcher” reckons one MP
    — Rayner still in lead but frozen by HMRC & some supporters worry about her “credibility” even after it wraps up
    — other options floated by soft left include Lucy Powell, Ed Miliband
    — surprise idea: John Healey as a “unifying figure” post-May

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2020073578582958519

    The holders of the Great Offices of State don't even get a mention.

    I think Mahmood would be more than capable, but too many of the membership would have palpitations.
    I think Mahmood might be very good. In betting terms, not WRT my own views, when you consider how it has given problems to a quite mainstream moderate evangelical like Tim Farron, occupying a small party leader position, is the party/country yet ready for a very committed Muslim PM? Do we have depth insight into exactly where she is on a few issues where mainstream Islamic opinion and majority UK opinion (ignoring all extremes) come into a degree of conflict?
    My headcanon says this
    • Streeting = New Labour and the preferred candidate of the Blairites
    • Mahmood = Blue Labour and the preferred candidate of the Glasmanites
    • Rayner = Old Labour and the preferred candidate of the progressive left, soft left and (by elimination) the Corbynites
    The Blairites have the money and will produce polls saying exactly what they want them to, so we can't discount him. Blue Labour are influential but don't have a power base, at least not yet. Rayner has the soul of the party and the MPs. So I figure Mahmood will come third and then it's a scrap between Streeting and Rayner. If it goes to the membership Rayner will win. (I forget the rules of Labour leader elections).
    You need 81 MPs to nominate you, Streeting would get that but Rayner less clear?
    There are 400-ish Labour MPs so Rayner needs 1 in 5. Sounds doable.
    We will see, however all the new elected Labour MPs in 2024, gaining seats from the Tories and SNP or replacing MPs standing down, only got on the approved Labour candidates list from the NEC as they were Starmer loyalists
    I can see 3 getting enough on board. After Corbyn i think leant nominations are gone for Labour.
    A Wes vs Ange vs Ed contest with Lammy, Phillipson and Powell standing but withdrawing short of numbers?
    Maybe or Wes v Ed v Healey or Cooper if Ange falls short
    Cooper doesnt strike me as being keen for the job. Might be wrong of course
    not remotely fit for it either , she is crap, can you imagine her on the world stage. We would be an even bigger laughing stock than we are now which is difficult.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,465

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Wales are not good at rugby
    I know
    You can watch how big the mens penises are on the Winter Olympics on BBC 2, if you prefer.
    At 82 not my scene though never was - watching Newcastle v Brentford
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196
    edited 5:18PM
    RobD said:

    Must be a good chance of some fresh Mandy juice for the Sundays. A few old stories getting dusted off

    I am expecting some non Mandy Epstein revelations this weekend.
    Political, royal or celebrity?
    All three but mostly royal.
    So Randy not Mandy?
    Yah, but it has the potential to drag in others.

    All I'm going to do is post this from 2011.

    Last year's Wikileaks disclosures featured an American ambassador criticising the prince's boorish remarks to businessmen during a lunch in Kyrgyzstan, during which he attacked a British Serious Fraud Office investigation into corruption.

    His regular trips to Kazakhstan and friendship with Timor Kulibayev, the president's son-in-law, also aroused adverse comment, especially when Kulibayev purchased Sunninghill Park near Ascot, given by the Queen to Andrew and Ferguson following their marriage, for £15m, £3m more than the asking price.

    Further doubts were raised about Andrew's position in the wake of a Guardian report about him entertaining the son-in-law of the ousted Tunisian president, Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, at Buckingham Palace.


    Following the revelations in March, the prince was called in to Buckingham Palace for talks with his mother and government ministers were said to be sufficiently exasperated to cast around for a new job for him.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/21/prince-andrew-trade-envoy-palace
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: Where potential successors stand at the end of a torrid week for PM

    — Burnham supporters given up on him getting a seat under this leadership despite another GM one rumoured to become vacant soon
    — Some still on the Wes train & insist he understands deep rethink required – but others say Streeting too damaged by Mandelson scandal
    — There’s ‘Al-mentum’ behind Carns – but total lack of experience. He “would be a more right-wing PM than Thatcher” reckons one MP
    — Rayner still in lead but frozen by HMRC & some supporters worry about her “credibility” even after it wraps up
    — other options floated by soft left include Lucy Powell, Ed Miliband
    — surprise idea: John Healey as a “unifying figure” post-May

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2020073578582958519

    The holders of the Great Offices of State don't even get a mention.

    I think Mahmood would be more than capable, but too many of the membership would have palpitations.
    I think Mahmood might be very good. In betting terms, not WRT my own views, when you consider how it has given problems to a quite mainstream moderate evangelical like Tim Farron, occupying a small party leader position, is the party/country yet ready for a very committed Muslim PM? Do we have depth insight into exactly where she is on a few issues where mainstream Islamic opinion and majority UK opinion (ignoring all extremes) come into a degree of conflict?
    My headcanon says this
    • Streeting = New Labour and the preferred candidate of the Blairites
    • Mahmood = Blue Labour and the preferred candidate of the Glasmanites
    • Rayner = Old Labour and the preferred candidate of the progressive left, soft left and (by elimination) the Corbynites
    The Blairites have the money and will produce polls saying exactly what they want them to, so we can't discount him. Blue Labour are influential but don't have a power base, at least not yet. Rayner has the soul of the party and the MPs. So I figure Mahmood will come third and then it's a scrap between Streeting and Rayner. If it goes to the membership Rayner will win. (I forget the rules of Labour leader elections).
    You need 81 MPs to nominate you, Streeting would get that but Rayner less clear?
    There are 400-ish Labour MPs so Rayner needs 1 in 5. Sounds doable.
    We will see, however all the new elected Labour MPs in 2024, gaining seats from the Tories and SNP or replacing MPs standing down, only got on the approved Labour candidates list from the NEC as they were Starmer loyalists
    I can see 3 getting enough on board. After Corbyn i think leant nominations are gone for Labour.
    A Wes vs Ange vs Ed contest with Lammy, Phillipson and Powell standing but withdrawing short of numbers?
    Maybe or Wes v Ed v Healey or Cooper if Ange falls short
    Cooper doesnt strike me as being keen for the job. Might be wrong of course
    not remotely fit for it either , she is crap, can you imagine her on the world stage. We would be an even bigger laughing stock than we are now which is difficult.
    We are not as I would like us to be Malcolm, thats for sure
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,083
    A heartwarming story at last. Apologies if it's already been seen

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnG6C2xmtCk

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,082
    malcolmg said:

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    3 absolute duffers with lammy rivalling Cooper as biggest duffer of all time.
    Unless it was Lammy who made the Trump deals, and not Mandelson. Lammy got Starmer a D-Day invitation (when Rishi bailed) and hit it off with JD Vance. Lammy might not have been to Cambridge but he did go to Harvard which is in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,650

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Wales are not good at rugby
    I know
    It's sad. I'm glad my father and uncle aren't alive to see this. Particularly the former.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,282
    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Gails? She sounds like a bloody Tory!
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,261

    malcolmg said:

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    3 absolute duffers with lammy rivalling Cooper as biggest duffer of all time.
    Unless it was Lammy who made the Trump deals, and not Mandelson. Lammy got Starmer a D-Day invitation (when Rishi bailed) and hit it off with JD Vance. Lammy might not have been to Cambridge but he did go to Harvard which is in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    He's also a thin skinned boor who lacks the composure to be PM. Watching him deputise at PMQs was embarrassing and he allows himself to be rattled too easily.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,811
    So who had 29-0 for the half time score?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,282
    edited 5:34PM

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Wales are not good at rugby
    I know
    It's sad. I'm glad my father and uncle aren't alive to see this. Particularly the former.
    They need one win on the board this year. I am not sure where it comes from.

    I wouldn't have gone with Tandy. I would have gone Edwards.

    There is no depth, there is no schools rugby except the public schools and the rugby academies like Cowbridge and Whitchurch. It was played in every comp fifteen years ago.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196
    Sandpit said:

    Fuck these adverts.

    I'd vote Reform if Nigel Farage banned in rugby adverts.

    Yeah WTF was that about?
    International broadcast showed an ad.
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/feb/04/itv-in-game-ad-breaks-first-time-rugby-six-nations-television
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 141
    Stereodog said:

    malcolmg said:

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    3 absolute duffers with lammy rivalling Cooper as biggest duffer of all time.
    Unless it was Lammy who made the Trump deals, and not Mandelson. Lammy got Starmer a D-Day invitation (when Rishi bailed) and hit it off with JD Vance. Lammy might not have been to Cambridge but he did go to Harvard which is in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    He's also a thin skinned boor who lacks the composure to be PM. Watching him deputise at PMQs was embarrassing and he allows himself to be rattled too easily.
    You mean he used to raise his voice and eviscerate Jenrick, Philp or Pritti of Tel Aviv
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,504
    Sandpit said:

    So who had 29-0 for the half time score?

    Unless it's Wales leading 29-0, me.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627
    Phil said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Well Maggie was a secret minx.


    Tatcher and Major were too old. We can discount Sunak and Brown and May straight away. That leaves us with, what? Blair? Cameron? Truss?

    thinks for a minute...

    Oh goodness, it's Boris isn't it?
    Ghislaine Maxwell & Johnson attended the same Oxford college (Balliol) at the same time. It’s most likely to be Johnson out of the available candidates.

    Not sure a threesome involving Johnson is going to raise many eyebrows though. “Boris Johnson likes sex” is not exactly news is it?
    But it's not the threesome bit that is scandalous, it's his judgement of character that he did with Ghislaine Maxwell. Boris Johnson being a bad judge of character is... oh, yeah, also not exactly news.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,587
    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Yes, odd from a deputy leader with ambitions. 'Only voting Labour can prevent a Reform win' (ie at G and D) is untrue and known to be untrue in advance - it is clear that Green might win and that voting Labour might let Reform sneak past. And if it proves untrue after as well then it is desperate vaingloriousness.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 141

    Roger said:

    isam said:

    Lucy Powell asking the Greens to stand aside for Labour in G&D

    This by-election is bigger than day to day politics. It’s about stopping Reform’s toxic politics coming to my city. The Greens misleading claims, dodgy bar charts & briefings risk letting them in the back door. Only voting Labour can defeat Reform. My letter to @ZackPolanski 👇🏻

    https://x.com/lucympowell/status/2019844349497069646?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Sounds like desperation
    Sounds like b*******. And she expects to be the next PM?

    An odd call by Lucy Powell I agree that Reform losing is the most important result for non racist bastards but to inflict maximum damage a Green Victory would surely be a bigger humiliation than a run of the mill Labour one.

    I saw Lucy Powell last week going into Gails.
    Labour are not good at politics
    Wales are not good at rugby
    I know
    It's sad. I'm glad my father and uncle aren't alive to see this. Particularly the former.
    They need one win on the board this year. I am not sure where it comes from.

    I wouldn't have gone with Tandy. I would have gone Edwards.

    There is no depth, there is no schools rugby except the public schools and the rugby academies like Cowbridge and Whitchurch. It was played in every comp fifteen years ago.
    It's shows how much Gatland had them over peer forming to be the best in Europe for the best part of a decade.

    The disintegration of the grass roots has killed them.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,937

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,811
    edited 5:52PM
    This is going to be a cricket score!

    (My lower bound for a cricket score is the 60 Australia got in the Ashes in 2015).
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,782
    Sandpit said:

    This is going to be a cricket score!

    Not something to celebrate.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,327
    @nicholasgrossman.bsky.social‬

    That highly classified whistleblower report Tulsi Gabbard covering up?

    Guardian reports it’s an NSA intercept of a call between a close Trump associate and “an individual associated with foreign intelligence.”

    Sounds similar to Trump’s campaign chair meeting Russian intel and sharing data in 2016.

    https://bsky.app/profile/nicholasgrossman.bsky.social/post/3mebxtr6fsk27
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 141

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    We'll hope fully we can see the Russian Report and the Mone Report and the full outcome of the Covid Enquiry failings and corruption.

    Why because that's 100 times more relevant to 90% of the population
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Who are you purging? There's no evidence that Mandelson's possibly illegal behaviours involved any other UK politicians. Starmer made a mistake appointing him as US ambassador, but that appears to be incompetence, not dodginess. Do you have anything to suggest Brown was dodgy? He was a poor PM, but dodgy?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,029
    Brixian59 said:

    Stereodog said:

    malcolmg said:

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    3 absolute duffers with lammy rivalling Cooper as biggest duffer of all time.
    Unless it was Lammy who made the Trump deals, and not Mandelson. Lammy got Starmer a D-Day invitation (when Rishi bailed) and hit it off with JD Vance. Lammy might not have been to Cambridge but he did go to Harvard which is in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    He's also a thin skinned boor who lacks the composure to be PM. Watching him deputise at PMQs was embarrassing and he allows himself to be rattled too easily.
    You mean he used to raise his voice and eviscerate Jenrick, Philp or Pritti of Tel Aviv
    "lacks the composure to be PM"

    It would only be for ≈ eight weeks.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,327
    There is a cartoon in The Times tomorrow which on grounds of taste and decency I will not link to

    I expect TSE to put it in a header at some point
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,937

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Agreed. And I don't care if it pulls in Tories. It will pull in the wrong 'uns anyway.

    Labour are trying to make this all about process - trying to introduce something that walks and quacks like yet another quango, because apparently that's the only way to deal with people like Mandelson. No dears. We don't need another quango, we just need shot of YOU.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196
    What an intro by Itoje.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,196
    Scott_xP said:

    There is a cartoon in The Times tomorrow which on grounds of taste and decency I will not link to

    I expect TSE to put it in a header at some point

    This one?


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,029
    Neo-Profumo latest:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    6m
    Russian foreign official source assessments of Mandelson. “He was very greedy. He was always looking for money”.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,083
    Why can't Keir be as good as this? We'd forgive him everything..... (Mandani)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qokjOy6kdbg
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,723
    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,465
    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    We'll hope fully we can see the Russian Report and the Mone Report and the full outcome of the Covid Enquiry failings and corruption.

    Why because that's 100 times more relevant to 90% of the population
    Whataboutery is not going to cut ths mustard on this as much as you try
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    edited 6:02PM

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Who are you purging? There's no evidence that Mandelson's possibly illegal behaviours involved any other UK politicians. Starmer made a mistake appointing him as US ambassador, but that appears to be incompetence, not dodginess. Do you have anything to suggest Brown was dodgy? He was a poor PM, but dodgy?
    Well time will tell who gets purged when the reams of documents come out on Epstein and the Mandy affair too. (But let the chips fall where they may)
    With Brown (whos expenses greed should have seen him defenestrated) i said i would enjoy it, so no, i have no specific accusation, just hopes, but given Mandelson possibly faces misconduct in public office charges i think the chances of the guy who brought him back to save his own skin escaping with his reputation intact are slim, hence hes out on the front foot imo trying to get ahead of it
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,937

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Speaking of confirming or dispelling things, should we not now be seeing a lot more about Trump? The files will have now been scoured by every online-savvy anti-Trump person in the world, over a period of several days. No smoking gun?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Pizzagate was and remains nonsense. People have been talking about pizzagate again because pizzas get mentioned in the Epstein files: see https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/epstein-files-pizzagate
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,261
    Brixian59 said:

    Stereodog said:

    malcolmg said:

    In the event Starmer resigns what are the rules to nominate his successors or does 81 still apply ?

    Cabinet appoints an interim leader.

    I expect Lammy would be PM briefly. Although might be Cooper or Mahmoud.
    3 absolute duffers with lammy rivalling Cooper as biggest duffer of all time.
    Unless it was Lammy who made the Trump deals, and not Mandelson. Lammy got Starmer a D-Day invitation (when Rishi bailed) and hit it off with JD Vance. Lammy might not have been to Cambridge but he did go to Harvard which is in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
    He's also a thin skinned boor who lacks the composure to be PM. Watching him deputise at PMQs was embarrassing and he allows himself to be rattled too easily.
    You mean he used to raise his voice and eviscerate Jenrick, Philp or Pritti of Tel Aviv
    He allowed himself to lose his temper when being questioned by the expert inquisitor that is James Cartlidge. If it wasn't for Cartlidge's incompetence then he would have been trapped into telling the House at lie. That's not the kind of temperament the PM should have.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,811

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Speaking of confirming or dispelling things, should we not now be seeing a lot more about Trump? The files will have now been scoured by every online-savvy anti-Trump person in the world, over a period of several days. No smoking gun?
    Of course not. If there was anything serious about Trump it would have found its way out of Biden’s DOJ before the election.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Agreed. And I don't care if it pulls in Tories. It will pull in the wrong 'uns anyway.

    Labour are trying to make this all about process - trying to introduce something that walks and quacks like yet another quango, because apparently that's the only way to deal with people like Mandelson. No dears. We don't need another quango, we just need shot of YOU.
    Yep. If the Tories are wrong uns then the grinder of neat awaits.
    Burn it all down
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,723

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Pizzagate was and remains nonsense. People have been talking about pizzagate again because pizzas get mentioned in the Epstein files: see https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/epstein-files-pizzagate
    What about all the references to ordering “pizza and grape soda “ in the files then?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Speaking of confirming or dispelling things, should we not now be seeing a lot more about Trump? The files will have now been scoured by every online-savvy anti-Trump person in the world, over a period of several days. No smoking gun?
    The files were released by Trump's administration. They appear to have (illegally) censored Trump's name in places. We don't know whether they've held Trump-related material back. Trump is still mentioned more times in the files than practically anyone else being talked about. There are some specific accusations in the files related to Trump that may be false: there are some fantastical claims that appear to be pranks or delusional. There are some other accusations that may be true. Trump's reaction whenever he's asked about the files may be telling. But, no, there is no smoking gun.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,029
    Scott_xP said:

    @nicholasgrossman.bsky.social‬

    That highly classified whistleblower report Tulsi Gabbard covering up?

    Guardian reports it’s an NSA intercept of a call between a close Trump associate and “an individual associated with foreign intelligence.”

    Sounds similar to Trump’s campaign chair meeting Russian intel and sharing data in 2016.

    https://bsky.app/profile/nicholasgrossman.bsky.social/post/3mebxtr6fsk27

    I'm sure various GOP senators will have "concerns".
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627
    Sandpit said:

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Speaking of confirming or dispelling things, should we not now be seeing a lot more about Trump? The files will have now been scoured by every online-savvy anti-Trump person in the world, over a period of several days. No smoking gun?
    Of course not. If there was anything serious about Trump it would have found its way out of Biden’s DOJ before the election.
    No, because Biden's DoJ were professional and took ethics seriously. Not like Trump's DoJ, who are carrying out zero Epstein-related investigations, but still trying to dig up dirt on people ICE shoot or people who have annoyed Trump.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Pizzagate was and remains nonsense. People have been talking about pizzagate again because pizzas get mentioned in the Epstein files: see https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/epstein-files-pizzagate
    What about all the references to ordering “pizza and grape soda “ in the files then?
    I refer you to the link provided. I note that people do eat pizza.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,723

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Pizzagate was and remains nonsense. People have been talking about pizzagate again because pizzas get mentioned in the Epstein files: see https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/epstein-files-pizzagate
    What about all the references to ordering “pizza and grape soda “ in the files then?
    I refer you to the link provided. I note that people do eat pizza.
    And they eat slices of it.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,027

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Agreed. And I don't care if it pulls in Tories. It will pull in the wrong 'uns anyway.

    Labour are trying to make this all about process - trying to introduce something that walks and quacks like yet another quango, because apparently that's the only way to deal with people like Mandelson. No dears. We don't need another quango, we just need shot of YOU.
    Yep. If the Tories are wrong uns then the grinder of neat awaits.
    Burn it all down
    And replace it with what, exactly?

    The "problem" isn't Mandelson, it's a power-political system which enabled and supported Mandelson and those like him over a 40 year period.

    The potential for corruption has always existed and will always exist.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,504

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Speaking of confirming or dispelling things, should we not now be seeing a lot more about Trump? The files will have now been scoured by every online-savvy anti-Trump person in the world, over a period of several days. No smoking gun?
    Apart from the one about him raping 13 year olds, which was rather hurriedly removed, no.

    There are however quite a lot that have either not been released or been apparently randomly redacted.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627
    Trump associates mentioned in the Epstein files also include:

    Steve Bannon
    Tom Barrack (ambassador to Turkey and Trump fundraiser)
    David Schoen (lawyer for Trump)
    Melania Trump
    Howard Lutnick (Commerce Secretary)
    Mehmet Oz (administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services)
    Elon Musk
    Peter Thiel
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,644
    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    We'll hope fully we can see the Russian Report and the Mone Report and the full outcome of the Covid Enquiry failings and corruption.

    Why because that's 100 times more relevant to 90% of the population
    The so called Russian report is supposed to be into foreign influence into our politics. It is merely going to be a partisan stitch up to attack labours opponents happily coming out before the locals. Will the stuff about Mandelson be dealt with, or Johnson and his meetings with Lebedev, or the influence of the Chinese and the collapsed court case or Labour and the Tories relationship with Israel. I doubt it. I also suspect the Covid enquiry will be a pointless blame apportioning excercise when it should be about properly learning lessons for the future.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,016
    stodge said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Agreed. And I don't care if it pulls in Tories. It will pull in the wrong 'uns anyway.

    Labour are trying to make this all about process - trying to introduce something that walks and quacks like yet another quango, because apparently that's the only way to deal with people like Mandelson. No dears. We don't need another quango, we just need shot of YOU.
    Yep. If the Tories are wrong uns then the grinder of neat awaits.
    Burn it all down
    And replace it with what, exactly?

    The "problem" isn't Mandelson, it's a power-political system which enabled and supported Mandelson and those like him over a 40 year period.

    The potential for corruption has always existed and will always exist.
    Sometimes i just want to watch it burn. That doesnt require answers. Its a primal response to the constant greed, corruption, perversion and evil.
    I'm relatively poor and very insignificant. I shall remain so regardless of whether the great and good perish in a bonfire of their own crapulence.
    So, burn it all down
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,723
    That a

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Pizzagate was and remains nonsense. People have been talking about pizzagate again because pizzas get mentioned in the Epstein files: see https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/epstein-files-pizzagate
    What about all the references to ordering “pizza and grape soda “ in the files then?
    I refer you to the link provided. I note that people do eat pizza.
    That article does nothing other than explain pizzagate. It doesn’t refute it considering the references within the latest release. Was Epstein a fan of pizza on his Island or a fan of pizza?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,937
    ...
    stodge said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Agreed. And I don't care if it pulls in Tories. It will pull in the wrong 'uns anyway.

    Labour are trying to make this all about process - trying to introduce something that walks and quacks like yet another quango, because apparently that's the only way to deal with people like Mandelson. No dears. We don't need another quango, we just need shot of YOU.
    Yep. If the Tories are wrong uns then the grinder of neat awaits.
    Burn it all down
    And replace it with what, exactly?

    The "problem" isn't Mandelson, it's a power-political system which enabled and supported Mandelson and those like him over a 40 year period.

    The potential for corruption has always existed and will always exist.
    You're describing a system where financial corruption has no drawback. Why would anyone want to be a Frank Field rather than a Mandelson, when trousering millions from 'somewhere' is looked on as what clever people in politics do? 'Burning it down' means consequences for these people. Misconduct in public office should be serious. Using your ministerial power to benefit companies who later benefit you personally is serious. If the system is to change, the incentives must change.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,644

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Agreed. And I don't care if it pulls in Tories. It will pull in the wrong 'uns anyway.

    Labour are trying to make this all about process - trying to introduce something that walks and quacks like yet another quango, because apparently that's the only way to deal with people like Mandelson. No dears. We don't need another quango, we just need shot of YOU.
    Yep. If the Tories are wrong uns then the grinder of neat awaits.
    Burn it all down
    But, but, Reform. But Nathan Gill……. Look away from the main parties.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,644

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Who are you purging? There's no evidence that Mandelson's possibly illegal behaviours involved any other UK politicians. Starmer made a mistake appointing him as US ambassador, but that appears to be incompetence, not dodginess. Do you have anything to suggest Brown was dodgy? He was a poor PM, but dodgy?
    You could say the same about Nathan Gill and his illegal behaviour but that doesn’t stop people linking to it.

    Hopefully labours impartial, and not at all political, investigation into foreign influence in our politics will cover all,parties and include new labour.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,627

    That a

    Maybe only Leon can confirm, or opine on, but does the least file release confirm or dispel pizzagate.

    Pizzagate was and remains nonsense. People have been talking about pizzagate again because pizzas get mentioned in the Epstein files: see https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/epstein-files-pizzagate
    What about all the references to ordering “pizza and grape soda “ in the files then?
    I refer you to the link provided. I note that people do eat pizza.
    That article does nothing other than explain pizzagate. It doesn’t refute it considering the references within the latest release. Was Epstein a fan of pizza on his Island or a fan of pizza?
    Pizzagate claimed that "cheese pizza" was a code for child pornography. There are references in the Epstein files to pizza. Are they talking about pizza or are they using "pizza" as a code? We don't know. Nothing actually suggests that it's a code beyond this prior idea. Everything else about pizzagate remains nonsense, like the pizza restaurant still has no basement, despite this being a key part of the conspiracy. There is a suggestion that maybe some elements of the Epstein story leaked into or influenced the pizzagate conspiracy, but we don't know.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,937
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Who are you purging? There's no evidence that Mandelson's possibly illegal behaviours involved any other UK politicians. Starmer made a mistake appointing him as US ambassador, but that appears to be incompetence, not dodginess. Do you have anything to suggest Brown was dodgy? He was a poor PM, but dodgy?
    You could say the same about Nathan Gill and his illegal behaviour but that doesn’t stop people linking to it.

    Hopefully labours impartial, and not at all political, investigation into foreign influence in our politics will cover all,parties and include new labour.
    I'd forgotten they were doing that. Oh dear, that's an anti-Reform strategem that has the potential to go rogue and sink its fangs into Sir Mauritius's fleshy behind. Though he probably won't be in Number 10 to be affected by its findings.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 141
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2020188508330086580
    Lol. Starmers toast part 4658

    I actually want Starmer to last a bit longer now, not to just pop off and then everyone pretends 'a line has been drawn' and it's business as usual. All this stuff needs to come out, Blair too, and Starmer - they are all dodgy as all get out and should be revealed as such. This is an Epstein enema for politics.
    It needs the expenses treatment - a massive purge.
    Brown is being very noisy, i'd thoroughly enjoy his reputation recombusting.
    Who are you purging? There's no evidence that Mandelson's possibly illegal behaviours involved any other UK politicians. Starmer made a mistake appointing him as US ambassador, but that appears to be incompetence, not dodginess. Do you have anything to suggest Brown was dodgy? He was a poor PM, but dodgy?
    You could say the same about Nathan Gill and his illegal behaviour but that doesn’t stop people linking to it.

    Hopefully labours impartial, and not at all political, investigation into foreign influence in our politics will cover all,parties and include new labour.
    I mean it's not as if Starmer has slipped his security to spend the night in an Italian Castle with the KGB and turned up pissed and incoherent at a remote Train Station is it.

    Can you just imagine the Mail, Telegraph etc
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