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  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 420
    HYUFD said:

    DoctorG said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    I really think Labour has a good chance of being re-elected.

    You keep repeating this but there is no evidence that labour is showing any signs of recovery either in Starmer's ratings or his government

    Indeed the Burnham story will dominate throught to May, and when Scotland and Wales is a likely bloodbath

    Last night labour lost 48.5% of their vote share in Flintshire, and it looks like Plaid will annihilate labour in Wales with reform underperforming

    You are very much a loyal Starmerite, but I just do not see a recovery especially post May when Starmer may well have a real fight on his hands to remain the labour leader and PM
    Predictions about the politically remote future (over 3 years in this case) have to be based on beliefs and intuitions about what will happen in the future gap, and cannot possibly be based on the snap shot of today or the last few months. Yes, it is informed and thoughtful guesswork. The belief (which I share) is that there are reasons for thinking there will be a recovery for Labour. Personally I do not think I know who will lead the next government. Except that it won't be Reform. If it is led from the left of centre, it will be Labour. And it might.

    After May they are likely to be in a terrible position having lost Scotland and Wales and loads of council seats, let alone the potential chaos of the by election in Greater Manchester

    Of course 3 years is a long time but I cannot see a recovery under Starmer that would put labour back in government

    In Scotland polls give a swing from SNP to Labour since 2021
    But much smaller than the swing from Labour to Reform. Labour will suffer a bigger net loss of seats than the SNP. Who do you think will be the official opposition in Scotland and Wales in May, @HYUFD, and everyone else?
    The swing from SNP to Reform is bigger than the Scottish swing from Labour to Reform so Labour could take second given polls also show the Scottish Tories collapsing from official opposition at Holyrood in 2021 to fourth now.

    In Wales though Reform will likely be main opposition with Labour collapsing to third
    Election Maps model from latest polling:

    SNP: 59 (-5)
    LAB: 20 (-2)
    RFM: 18 (+18)
    CON: 11 (-20)
    GRN: 11 (+3)
    LDM: 10 (+6)
    So a net swing on seats from SNP to Labour. On that poll also a net swing from SNP and Green to Unionist parties at Holyrood since 2021 as well
    I don't think those seats totals are far off, on today's polling

    Not much for a gain for Labour if the net loss is 2 seats! That would be a disaster for Scottish Labour if they lost seats on their 2021 result, bear in mind the 22 seats they won then was their lowest total ever in a Holyrood election.

    Reform polling has cooled slightly in the past couple of months, the big question is can Labour, Tories (or others) chisel more away from Reform or is there an embedded floor in their vote. I think a lot of working class/previous non voters will turn out and vote for them, so would expect 12/low teens Reform MSPs to be elected at least. Glasgow will be their toughest region to get 2 MSPs.

    Interestingly, the SNP won 2 list seats in 2021, 1 in Highlands, 1 in South of Scotland. I'd be surprised if they won any this year, given the drop in their list vote and fierce competition from the Greens.

    There is a fairly fine margin between the SNP holding almost all of their central belt constituencies and Labour winning scores via a domino effect (as seen in the 2024GE) but Sarwar and Labour's polling has went into reverse since June 2025. I'd give more chance of John Swinney winning a majority in 2026 than I would of Mr Sarwar becoming FM this year, going by how far Labour trail.

    Yes the SNP have lost approx 10% of their vote, but the split opposition will see them nudge over 55 seats again
    Perhaps but if unionist tactical voting sees Labour gain constituency seats from the SNP and Reform gain more list seats than the Greens then a unionist majority is very possible even if Swinney remains FM
    Morning HYUFD,

    Best hope of that is to knock SNP down to somewhere near Ecks 2007 total of 47 seats, where Green votes added wouldn't take the SNP above a 65 majority.

    I think the unionist vote is split too many ways for that to happen this time. There are a handful of seats i think Labour will challenge in, more affluent suburbs where Reform are weak, but that apart they will struggle.

    I think the Tories *may* hold on in Aberdeenshire and South of Scotland/Borders, but that will depend on keeping Reform at bay. Reform are shooting themselves in the foot for being a Farage one man band who haven't declared any MSP candidates yet, but far be it for me to criticise them. Ground game and candidate choice have been crucial in some of the Scottish by elections recently

    The race for the keys to Bute House will start getting more entertaining as we near Easter. Wales looks a lot more competitive this time
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,203
    edited 12:45AM

    Watching Republican voters being asked if they preferred The Affordable Care Act to Obamacare and all of them preferred the Affordable Care Act because they hated Obama.

    They were all pleased to see the back of Obamacare because it is unAmerican and socialist. They were all shocked to learn it is the same thing, and now their premiums have doubled, tripled and quadrupled. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

    Obamacare won in 2012 when Romney wanted to end it. The 2024 election was more a vote for Trump not woke Harris, tougher border security and deportations and tariffs on imports, especially from China
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,679
    scampi25 said:

    Cookie said:

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    I've just come in from the pub - what's happened to elicit such enthusiasm?
    Not a thing. He says much the same every day. Utterly deluded. I think it's a form of self therapy.
    Triggered? Isn't Roger allowed an opinion? Am I not allowed an opinion?

    Does anyone get upset when you fly your blue flag? Go ahead, fill your boots.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,845
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Goodness me, only just noticed this.

    "Starmer pulls Chagos bill after Trump backlash
    Plans to hand islands to Mauritius ‘cannot progress’ amid concerns over 1966 treaty between UK and US"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/23/starmer-pulls-chagos-deal-following-trump-backlash/

    How many u-turns is that now? Has he managed to get anything through? Other than abortion up to delivery day, the abolition of trans, and possibly the annihilation of the Labour party.
    IIUC they agrees to the deal in the first place because America wanted it so it would be weird to carry on with it now America has decided it doesn't want it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,679
    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,679
    HYUFD said:

    Watching Republican voters being asked if they preferred The Affordable Care Act to Obamacare and all of them preferred the Affordable Care Act because they hated Obama.

    They were all pleased to see the back of Obamacare because it is unAmerican and socialist. They were all shocked to learn it is the same thing, and now their premiums have doubled, tripled and quadrupled. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

    Obamacare won in 2012 when Romney wanted to end it. The 2024 election was more a vote for Trump not woke Harris, tougher border security and deportations and tariffs on imports, especially from China
    Dying because one can't pay health insurance is probably not a great trade off for performative cruelty to non-whites.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,088

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
    Stop watching them then. By that point, Germany had already changed its citizenship laws and nothing of the kind has happened in the US.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,400
    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Goodness me, only just noticed this.

    "Starmer pulls Chagos bill after Trump backlash
    Plans to hand islands to Mauritius ‘cannot progress’ amid concerns over 1966 treaty between UK and US"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/23/starmer-pulls-chagos-deal-following-trump-backlash/

    How many u-turns is that now? Has he managed to get anything through? Other than abortion up to delivery day, the abolition of trans, and possibly the annihilation of the Labour party.
    On the other hand, never U-turning is just as bad as doing a lot of them.
    So it's not just that he's bad, he's incompetent at it? :(
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,679
    edited 1:22AM

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
    Stop watching them then. By that point, Germany had already changed its citizenship laws and nothing of the kind has happened in the US.
    But the evidence is clear. Have you not seen evidence of green card holders beaten up, arrested and sent for weeks to detention camps? For example the woman from Ireland. What about clear violation of 1st Amendment rights. The highly partisan DOJ prosecuting Comey, Tish James, Schiff and Jack Smith, oh and the execution of Renee Good and 100 Venezuelan fisherman. I can say they are fisherman because there was no due process to prove otherwise.

    I would have thought after Trump's disingenuous lies regarding British service personnel in Afghanistan you would have kept a low profile until Trump stfu and the coast was clear

    I'll carry on watching reality and you can keep being educated by Jesse Watters and Maria Bartiromo.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,629
    edited 1:25AM

    scampi25 said:

    Cookie said:

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    I've just come in from the pub - what's happened to elicit such enthusiasm?
    Not a thing. He says much the same every day. Utterly deluded. I think it's a form of self therapy.
    Triggered? Isn't Roger allowed an opinion? Am I not allowed an opinion?

    Does anyone get upset when you fly your blue flag? Go ahead, fill your boots.
    Roger is absolutely allowed an opinion. But I'm curious about what has happened in the last few hours to make him so happy? I genuinely can't see what's changed since I was here at about teatime.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,202
    Cookie said:

    scampi25 said:

    Cookie said:

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    I've just come in from the pub - what's happened to elicit such enthusiasm?
    Not a thing. He says much the same every day. Utterly deluded. I think it's a form of self therapy.
    Triggered? Isn't Roger allowed an opinion? Am I not allowed an opinion?

    Does anyone get upset when you fly your blue flag? Go ahead, fill your boots.
    Roger is absolutely allowed an opinion. But I'm curious about what has happened in the last few hours to make him so happy? I genuinely can't see what's changed since I was here at about teatime.
    Maybe he really thought Trump was going to invade Greenland and really thought the European response stopped him.

    Maybe he's right. Though I would think on balance it was all Art of the Deal crap, odious though that is.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,092
    AI is still giving incorrect results for elections. I asked for a constituency result for 1983 and Google AI gave me the correct result but for 1987 instead.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,400
    edited 2:43AM

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
    Stop watching them then. By that point, Germany had already changed its citizenship laws and nothing of the kind has happened in the US.
    The people of America are subject to random detention, mistreatment to the point of death, and deportation without due process by an unregulated unbadged armed militia answerable only to federal officials. I'd say their citizenship laws are pretty much fucked, yes?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,366
    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
    Stop watching them then. By that point, Germany had already changed its citizenship laws and nothing of the kind has happened in the US.
    The people of America are subject to random detention, mistreatment to the point of death, and deportation without due process by an unregulated unbadged armed militia answerable only to federal officials. I'd say their citizenship laws are pretty much fucked, yes?
    It’s not fanciful to say that Trump and many of his followers are fascists.

    Yet, by 1936 in Germany, they’d witnessed the Night of the Long Knives, the suppression of non-Nazi parties, sports clubs, and trade unions, and the extinction of democracy.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,831
    DoctorG said:

    Ratters said:

    I repeat myself but Starmer needs to call a Rejoin referendum while Trump is still in office. There's no way Trump is going to be able to STFU for the duration of the campaign and when he opens his mouth he'll win it for Rejoin.

    Can we set up a 6-month long World Trump Golf tournament with him entering against Tiger Woods, Rory Mcilroy etc? Two rounds of golf a day for months to come to the conclusion Trump is the best golf player of all time.

    I would fake even just a few weeks of distraction from the harm he causes in his day job.
    Reminds me of that time Kim Jong Il hit a round of 38 under on the 72 par Pyongyang golf course in 1994, in his first ever round of golf.

    Of course, I'm sure everyone in North Korea who disagreed with his scorecard lived to tell the tale
    It served as a test, just like President Trump's absurd claims about his inauguration crowds first time round.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,265
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Goodness me, only just noticed this.

    "Starmer pulls Chagos bill after Trump backlash
    Plans to hand islands to Mauritius ‘cannot progress’ amid concerns over 1966 treaty between UK and US"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/23/starmer-pulls-chagos-deal-following-trump-backlash/

    How many u-turns is that now? Has he managed to get anything through? Other than abortion up to delivery day, the abolition of trans, and possibly the annihilation of the Labour party.
    I'm delighted with any u-turn that stops our government giving away strategically important sovereign British territory, and putting us on the hook to pay for it as taxpayers for 100 years.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,265
    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Goodness me, only just noticed this.

    "Starmer pulls Chagos bill after Trump backlash
    Plans to hand islands to Mauritius ‘cannot progress’ amid concerns over 1966 treaty between UK and US"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/23/starmer-pulls-chagos-deal-following-trump-backlash/

    How many u-turns is that now? Has he managed to get anything through? Other than abortion up to delivery day, the abolition of trans, and possibly the annihilation of the Labour party.
    On the other hand, never U-turning is just as bad as doing a lot of them.
    You don't need to if you make good decisions to start with.

    Starmer doesn't.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,690

    Nigelb said:

    A Texas medical examiner has ruled the death of ICE detainee Geraldo Lunas Campos a HOMICIDE.

    Cause of death: asphyxia from neck and torso compression.

    A fellow detainee says he watched guards choke him to death inside the facility.

    ICE initially claimed it was a suicide attempt. The autopsy says otherwise.

    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2014171071876837476

    It is a rather unusual way to commit suicide, to convince half a dozen burly ICE agents to sit on your chest.

    There's going to be a massive legal operation against these agents in the years to come.
    Not unless there's another Democratic president.

    The FBI agent who sought to investigate the federal immigration officer who fatally shot Renee Good has resigned from the bureau, according to two people familiar with the matter, after leadership pressured her to discontinue a civil rights inquiry into the officer.
    https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/2014839329009631452

    Civil rights legislation is the means by which federal murder charges can be brought in this case - and the FBI have denied state police access to evidence in an attempt to prevent them bringing charges in connection with the homicude.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,043
    edited 5:00AM
    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
    Stop watching them then. By that point, Germany had already changed its citizenship laws and nothing of the kind has happened in the US.
    The people of America are subject to random detention, mistreatment to the point of death, and deportation without due process by an unregulated unbadged armed militia answerable only to federal officials. I'd say their citizenship laws are pretty much fucked, yes?
    It’s not fanciful to say that Trump and many of his followers are fascists.

    Yet, by 1936 in Germany, they’d witnessed the Night of the Long Knives, the suppression of non-Nazi parties, sports clubs, and trade unions, and the extinction of democracy.
    The exaggeration was in the year. During the first year after capturing the chancellery in ‘33, they focused on converting their minority power into total control, neutralised their left wing opponents with a combination of new laws and extra-parliamentary violence, made sure the legal system was under their thumb, and eliminated or captured control of almost every arm of civic society. The story in Evans’s book of how almost all the fabric and ‘checks and balances’ of a democratic society were swept away and any source of potential opposition was neutralised, starting from a position of minority support and in a stunningly short period of time, is a fascinating and salutary one - made easier of course by the economic trauma of hyperinflation followed by depression that the country had been through, which in most people’s eyes utterly discredited the moderate centre of politics and sent voters to one extreme or the other, and served to justify, at least to begin with, dramatic intervention by the new government.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,206
    Charles should go ahead with the State visit.

    But, instead of taking Yvette Cooper, he should take Mark Carney and Anita Arnand as his advisers.

    And let them do the talking…
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,206
    And if Tim Montgomery genuinely believes putting a third rate, barely coherent charlatan like Jenrick in charge of economic policy shows Farage is thinking deeply about government or will make Refuck look like a government in waiting, then he needs medical help, and I am not joking.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,909
    @apnews.com‬

    A German soccer federation executive committee member says it's time to consider a World Cup boycott because of the actions of U.S. President Donald Trump.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,301
    The next few years of Trump will follow this pattern until he eventually separates his target (the US) from all its friends.

    Key Psychological Aspects of Abusers

    Need for Control: The primary goal is maintaining power over the partner, often by controlling their daily activities, finances, and social interactions.

    Manipulation Tactics: Abusers use gaslighting (making victims doubt their sanity), love-bombing (intense affection early on), and isolation from friends/family.

    Normalization of Violence: Many abusers have histories of childhood trauma or abuse, leading them to normalize violent behavior and lack healthy conflict resolution skills.

    Trauma Bonding: Abusers use a cycle of abuse and affection ("dosing") to create intense,, dependent emotional bonds that make it difficult for victims to leave.

    Projection and Blame: Perpetrators often justify their actions by accusing victims of causing the abuse or belittling them.


    You simply have to step back and ride the storm as best you can. Intervention will never yield results unless it is internal (US) intervention. When Zelenskyy said 'Don't try to change Trump' he has an insight that few others have.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,407
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    A Texas medical examiner has ruled the death of ICE detainee Geraldo Lunas Campos a HOMICIDE.

    Cause of death: asphyxia from neck and torso compression.

    A fellow detainee says he watched guards choke him to death inside the facility.

    ICE initially claimed it was a suicide attempt. The autopsy says otherwise.

    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/2014171071876837476

    It is a rather unusual way to commit suicide, to convince half a dozen burly ICE agents to sit on your chest.

    There's going to be a massive legal operation against these agents in the years to come.
    Not unless there's another Democratic president.

    The FBI agent who sought to investigate the federal immigration officer who fatally shot Renee Good has resigned from the bureau, according to two people familiar with the matter, after leadership pressured her to discontinue a civil rights inquiry into the officer.
    https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/2014839329009631452

    Civil rights legislation is the means by which federal murder charges can be brought in this case - and the FBI have denied state police access to evidence in an attempt to prevent them bringing charges in connection with the homicude.
    They need to bring well-funded civil actions. OJ Simpson evaded criminal justice, but the civil courts took all he owned.

    Sue the individuls - and ICE - for billions.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,422
    Scott_xP said:

    @apnews.com‬

    A German soccer federation executive committee member says it's time to consider a World Cup boycott because of the actions of U.S. President Donald Trump.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Nice idea. It won't happen. Tribal love of sport will see to that.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,146


    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    The usual suspects in the punditocracy - especially key Tory commentators - have never taken Reform seriously and they were in full denial mode on the day Jenrick defected.

    @Nigel_Farage never saw Rob as a slightly bigger than normal defection. He was always much more to him.

    He watched RJ v closely and decised he was the person who could, over this parliament, make Reform at least as trusted as any other party on the economy.

    And he seems to be taking thia opportunity to settle Reform's other biggest beasts - the people he has lesrnt to most trust - into posts they'll hold throughout opposition and into govt. All part of the deep preparedness he knows the nation'a deep problems require. Reform is obviously an against-the-odds project and plenty can and will go wrong but there is a plan taking shape and being underestimated hasn't hurt us so far.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2014815882602566140

    What Trumplstiltskin's tantrums are showing us is that Reform is NOT a fundamentally serious party. At its heart it is a simply vanity vehicle for Farage. That would be the Farage who takes plenty of money from Russians and Americans so he can cosplay as being a defender of Btitish interests.

    With Farage's major political achievement- Brexit- now seen by a large majority as a mistake, and the hostility of Trump demonstrating why the EU is a critical part of our own defence network, the core selling point of "Reforn" is destroyed.

    So all Jenrick has done is confirm his own tin ear for politics and ended up joining the political Adams family of kooks and spooks in the far right Farage fun house.

    As for Nigel- the fat lady is clearing her throat.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,006
    Cicero said:


    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie

    The usual suspects in the punditocracy - especially key Tory commentators - have never taken Reform seriously and they were in full denial mode on the day Jenrick defected.

    @Nigel_Farage never saw Rob as a slightly bigger than normal defection. He was always much more to him.

    He watched RJ v closely and decised he was the person who could, over this parliament, make Reform at least as trusted as any other party on the economy.

    And he seems to be taking thia opportunity to settle Reform's other biggest beasts - the people he has lesrnt to most trust - into posts they'll hold throughout opposition and into govt. All part of the deep preparedness he knows the nation'a deep problems require. Reform is obviously an against-the-odds project and plenty can and will go wrong but there is a plan taking shape and being underestimated hasn't hurt us so far.

    https://x.com/montie/status/2014815882602566140

    What Trumplstiltskin's tantrums are showing us is that Reform is NOT a fundamentally serious party. At its heart it is a simply vanity vehicle for Farage. That would be the Farage who takes plenty of money from Russians and Americans so he can cosplay as being a defender of Btitish interests.

    With Farage's major political achievement- Brexit- now seen by a large majority as a mistake, and the hostility of Trump demonstrating why the EU is a critical part of our own defence network, the core selling point of "Reforn" is destroyed.

    So all Jenrick has done is confirm his own tin ear for politics and ended up joining the political Adams family of kooks and spooks in the far right Farage fun house.

    As for Nigel- the fat lady is clearing her throat.
    Good .morning

    All that is true but they still lead the opinion polls

    Hopefully that will change but when, that is the question ?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,341

    Scott_xP said:

    @apnews.com‬

    A German soccer federation executive committee member says it's time to consider a World Cup boycott because of the actions of U.S. President Donald Trump.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Nice idea. It won't happen. Tribal love of sport will see to that.
    The elegant solution, by which I mean the one that WS Gilbert would come up with, would be for the Nobel Prize Committee to very quickly set up a Nobel World Cup.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,160
    ydoethur said:

    And if Tim Montgomery genuinely believes putting a third rate, barely coherent charlatan like Jenrick in charge of economic policy shows Farage is thinking deeply about government or will make Refuck look like a government in waiting, then he needs medical help, and I am not joking.

    Thank God we’ve got Rachel Reeves as chancellor to show the folly of,such a choice !,
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,160
    Scott_xP said:

    @apnews.com‬

    A German soccer federation executive committee member says it's time to consider a World Cup boycott because of the actions of U.S. President Donald Trump.

    I was saying this last week.

    I still favour it.

    Won’t happen, of course, more people care about soccer than what’s going on with Trump.

    More people are interested in Brooklyn Beckhams spat with his parents.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,206
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    And if Tim Montgomery genuinely believes putting a third rate, barely coherent charlatan like Jenrick in charge of economic policy shows Farage is thinking deeply about government or will make Refuck look like a government in waiting, then he needs medical help, and I am not joking.

    Thank God we’ve got Rachel Reeves as chancellor to show the folly of,such a choice !,
    Jenrick makes Rachel Reeves look like Mark Carney.

    And Rachel Reeves looks nothing like Mark Carney!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,155
    It's pleasant to fantasise about Trump's behaviour systematically exterminating the populist right throughout the world, country by country, culminating in a Democratic landslide in the next US presidential election, leaving the Republicans unelectable for a generation ...

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,206
    Chris said:

    It's pleasant to fantasise about Trump's behaviour systematically exterminating the populist right throughout the world, country by country, culminating in a Democratic landslide in the next US presidential election, leaving the Republicans unelectable for a generation ...

    No it isn't.

    That implies the Republicans might be back in 20-30 years.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,341
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @apnews.com‬

    A German soccer federation executive committee member says it's time to consider a World Cup boycott because of the actions of U.S. President Donald Trump.

    I was saying this last week.

    I still favour it.

    Won’t happen, of course, more people care about soccer than what’s going on with Trump.

    More people are interested in Brooklyn Beckhams spat with his parents.
    Doesn't one of the big polling firms do a regular "what news have you heard about this week?" survey? It would be interesting (in a bad way, I fear) to know that for this week.

    90 seconds and you're up to date on Heart might be a poor show, but that's better than a Facebook feed with a load of trollbots pretending to deliver news.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,824
    edited 8:01AM
    Trump's comments on NATO troops are nothing new. In my reading it's a point he has been making for a couple of years; I think the first place I noted it was on threads at UK Defence Journal, where the more usual pro-USA tone entirely flipped.

    I think what is happening now is a continued process of gradual dawning for people and groups who did not have it on their radar and made benign assumptions, has has happened with other aspects of Trump.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,366
    MattW said:

    Trump's comments on NATO troops are nothing new. In my reading it's a point he has been making for a couple of years; I think the first place I noted it was on threads at UK Defence Journal, where the more usual pro-USA tone entirely flipped.

    I think what is happening now is a continued process of gradual dawning for people and groups who did not have it on their radar and made benign assumptions, has has happened with other aspects of Trump.

    Trump despises US soldiers, too.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,909
    MattW said:

    Trump's comments on NATO troops are nothing new. In my reading it's a point he has been making for a couple of years; I think the first place I noted it was on threads at UK Defence Journal, where the more usual pro-USA tone entirely flipped.

    I think what is happening now is a continued process of gradual dawning for people and groups who had not been paying attention, has has happened with other aspects of Trump.

    In the past he has said it in the US for a US audience with a US press corp.

    This time he did it in Davos.

    Much of our current predicament I think has been fueled by a press corp consistently sanewashing a guy who is mentally unstable

    "Today the President made the following remarks"

    No

    Today the senile old man said the following insane things
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,160
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    And if Tim Montgomery genuinely believes putting a third rate, barely coherent charlatan like Jenrick in charge of economic policy shows Farage is thinking deeply about government or will make Refuck look like a government in waiting, then he needs medical help, and I am not joking.

    Thank God we’ve got Rachel Reeves as chancellor to show the folly of,such a choice !,
    Jenrick makes Rachel Reeves look like Mark Carney.

    And Rachel Reeves looks nothing like Mark Carney!
    Mark Carney was a pretty poor governor of the Bank of England. So that’s not really a complement. He may be an improvement on the previous leader of Canada, but again that’s not saying much and there is always votes and online likes and retweets for standing up to Trump.

    Quite frankly we don’t know how effective or otherwise Jenrick will be as shadow chancellor. We will have to see.

    It’s good to see Reform putting some names in place as shadows of offices. If they want to be seen as a govt in waiting they need to put a team in place who can have a portfolio and then they can be held to scrutiny.

    Given Tim Montgomerie has well chronicled health issues including being born premature perhaps you can blame that for his views of Mr Jenrick ?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,824
    MattW said:

    Trump's comments on NATO troops are nothing new. In my reading it's a point he has been making for a couple of years; I think the first place I noted it was on threads at UK Defence Journal, where the more usual pro-USA tone entirely flipped.

    I think what is happening now is a continued process of gradual dawning for people and groups who did not have it on their radar and made benign assumptions, has has happened with other aspects of Trump.

    Over taken by the timer.

    I think interesting aspects are the attitude of the US military community to Trump, and to Pete Hegseth.

    There's any amount of Trumpist posturing from military adjacent, and especially America First military adjacent, communities - along the lines of "so watcha gonna do ?" when the US Imperial Forces * turn up? And with an enthusiasm for Pete Hegseth's prancing up and down yelling "Ug !!".

    Serving forces, or those with a smidgeon of international exposure, seem far more self-aware that Trump has shot the USA in the head. I'd love to know a bit more about their views on colleagues who can be called "trans" because of a database tick-box and a blind assumption being cashiered without pension rights being preserved.

    The real divide imo with former allies is that Hegseth has tried to remove the moral component from his armed forces.

    * I do like a common analogy to the Star Wars Imperials.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,341
    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Trump's comments on NATO troops are nothing new. In my reading it's a point he has been making for a couple of years; I think the first place I noted it was on threads at UK Defence Journal, where the more usual pro-USA tone entirely flipped.

    I think what is happening now is a continued process of gradual dawning for people and groups who had not been paying attention, has has happened with other aspects of Trump.

    In the past he has said it in the US for a US audience with a US press corp.

    This time he did it in Davos.

    Much of our current predicament I think has been fueled by a press corp consistently sanewashing a guy who is mentally unstable

    "Today the President made the following remarks"

    No

    Today the senile old man said the following insane things
    Today the senile nasty old man said the following insane things

    Senility mostly reveals, rather than changes, personality. A fundamentally benign old man whose mind was slowing down, an elderly monk say, wouldn't be so much of a problem.

    Having said that, DJT was obviously not fundamentally benign even before age caught up with him.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,043
    No sign that Labour is going to try and hold this by-election off until May, as was suggested here yesterday?

    Meanwhile some signs that the next government U-turn incoming will be on jury trials?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,909
    @hugorifkind.bsky.social‬

    I've done My Week: Donald Trump (again) for tomorrow. My first draft genuinely had a joke about Trump thinking there were penguins in Greenland but I took it out because it seemed too stupid.

    https://bsky.app/profile/hugorifkind.bsky.social/post/3md4tho3ops24
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,356
    Battlebus said:

    The next few years of Trump will follow this pattern until he eventually separates his target (the US) from all its friends.

    Key Psychological Aspects of Abusers

    Need for Control: The primary goal is maintaining power over the partner, often by controlling their daily activities, finances, and social interactions.

    Manipulation Tactics: Abusers use gaslighting (making victims doubt their sanity), love-bombing (intense affection early on), and isolation from friends/family.

    Normalization of Violence: Many abusers have histories of childhood trauma or abuse, leading them to normalize violent behavior and lack healthy conflict resolution skills.

    Trauma Bonding: Abusers use a cycle of abuse and affection ("dosing") to create intense,, dependent emotional bonds that make it difficult for victims to leave.

    Projection and Blame: Perpetrators often justify their actions by accusing victims of causing the abuse or belittling them.


    You simply have to step back and ride the storm as best you can. Intervention will never yield results unless it is internal (US) intervention. When Zelenskyy said 'Don't try to change Trump' he has an insight that few others have.
    ‘The next few years of Trump will follow this pattern until he eventually separates his target (the US) from all its friends.’

    It’s happening..

    https://x.com/alexandruc4/status/2014641690972242419?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,881

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
    My excitement is that Starmer has done the right thing for the first time for at least a year. He's untied himself and us from Trump. He will get some credit and it'll turn out to be the beginning of a new direction. He has no choice. We are now firmly in the Carney Macron EU camp and more important he has joined the Human Beings and now sees Trump for what he is and the public are with him.

    Yesterday was a very good day for the centre left though not everyone can see it yet. Charlie wont go visiting and if Starmer gets good advice he'll welcome Burnham with open arms and a new confident Starmer government will emerge.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,422
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    After a terrible week who could have predicted it would end so well? I've always liked the saying about the dawn following the darkest night and so it has turned out. All we need is the foul stench that is Farage to get the opprobrium he deserves and we can all go home happy.

    If you were watching the Dem/ anti-Trump YouTube channels I watch you would be completely depressed. In Nazi terms we are somewhere around 1936.
    My excitement is that Starmer has done the right thing for the first time for at least a year. He's untied himself and us from Trump. He will get some credit and it'll turn out to be the beginning of a new direction. He has no choice. We are now firmly in the Carney Macron EU camp and more important he has joined the Human Beings and now sees Trump for what he is and the public are with him.

    Yesterday was a very good day for the centre left though not everyone can see it yet. Charlie wont go visiting and if Starmer gets good advice he'll welcome Burnham with open arms and a new confident Starmer government will emerge.
    A firmer rejection of the Board of Peace would be welcome.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,422
    Meanwhile, Pentagon will offer less support to 'allies'.

    Shocking news. I didn't realise the USA still had allies.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9r8ezym3ro
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,821
    The Labour NEC should not block Burnham if he wants to stand.

    This looks weak and will only cause major infighting . And Labour need to hold that seat .

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