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We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com

The video starts at 7 mins and 20 seconds and Prime Minister Carney starts speaking at 9 mins and 48 seconds.

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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,275
    First?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,955
    Canada are very fortunate
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,995
    An Anglo-Canadian partnership wouldn’t give the UK a Canadian PM, but would be the next best thing.

    I imagine the UK and Canadian PMs would take turns every two years to chair.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,595
    Is the header laying down the Law ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,989
    One prize this numpty is certainly on to win is a Darwin Prize
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,595
    This suggests that space based target surveillance isn't progressing quite as rapidly as everyone thought.

    E-7 Wedgetail Radar Jet The Pentagon Tried To Cancel Gets Over $1B In New Defense Bill
    Lawmakers already shot down Pentagon plans to buy E-2 Hawkeyes instead of E-7s Wedgetails.
    https://www.twz.com/air/e-7-wedgetail-radar-jet-the-pentagon-tried-to-cancel-gets-over-1b-in-new-defense-bill
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,165
    Trump is being unusually articulate and is totally putting the boot into Europe and the UK

    He’s also being quite funny
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Trump: I wasn't going to talk about Greenland, shall I do so?
    Aides: FFS
    Trump: You can't defend it I can take it in minutes
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,595
    Gardenwalker said:

    An Anglo-Canadian partnership wouldn’t give the UK a Canadian PM, but would be the next best thing.

    I imagine the UK and Canadian PMs would take turns every two years to chair.

    Our PM doesn't have the Bonar fides.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Oh my fucking god what is he saying
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,989
    This must be the most offensive, historically ignorant speech ever given by a western head of state?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,165
    Trump hinting that America has new super weapons. I’ve heard this elsewhere

    WTF
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,595
    On a point of pedantry, we've only ever had one PM born in Canada, so we can't go back to having Prime Ministers born there.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,116
    Dave Nellist appealing against not being allowed to stand as a candidate for YourParty

    https://x.com/davenellist/status/2013955605581459765?s=61
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,602
    Scott_xP said:

    Without America, "right now, you'd all be speaking German" Trump tells an audience in Switzerland.

    Oh god, make it stop.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,786
    Nigelb said:

    On a point of pedantry, we've only ever had one PM born in Canada, so we can't go back to having Prime Ministers born there.

    I have changed it just for you.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Fuck me sideways this is amazing
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,179
    Why is the forum allowing him to ramble on?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Fuck me sideways this is amazing

    And not in a good way...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    Why is the forum allowing him to ramble on?

    Hung, Drawn, Quartered. By himself. Live on global TV.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,154
    edited 2:09PM
    Carney is impressive, probably now overtaken Macron as the main leader of liberal, internationalist free traders in the western world, standing up to Putin and Trump.

    I am not sure Canadian factory workers will be too happy with Carney's agreement to let lots more Chinese cars flood the Canadian market though, even with a promised reduction in Chinese tariffs on Canadian canola seed. Those workers would probably prefer the 30% tariffs Trump has imposed on Chinese imports.

    Leader of the Canadian Opposition and Conservative Party of Canada Poilievre certainly isn't happy with the Liberal PM

    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012207932104925471?s=20
    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012236406433763620?s=20
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,995
    Leon said:

    Trump is being unusually articulate and is totally putting the boot into Europe and the UK

    He’s also being quite funny

    I’m not watching, I’m in the office.
    Relying on PB for the highlights.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,165
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Biden had given this speech we’d be getting spammed by the usual suspects about Biden being unfit for the presidency.

    Trump sounded demented, like Biden, yesterday, now he sounds totally lucid and his normal self. Boorish, arrogant, sometimes weirdly funny, narcissistic to a pathological degree, occasionally warped, but also offering some sharp and painful insights for Europeans

    Demented, no
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,179
    I turned over to the Welsh news , turned back and he's gone cuckoo. Has he dropped his speech?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,154
    Former Labour MP (expelled by Kinnock) and ex Militant Dave Nellist banned from standing for YP exec

    '@davenellist
    I have been banned from standing for the executive committee of #YourParty. Here is my letter of appeal (and a photo of a 500 strong protest 35 years ago when I was last banned from participation in a political party).'
    https://x.com/davenellist/status/2013955605581459765?s=20
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    Leon said:

    Demented, no

    Insane, yes
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,427
    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If Biden had given this speech we’d be getting spammed by the usual suspects about Biden being unfit for the presidency.

    Trump sounded demented, like Biden, yesterday, now he sounds totally lucid and his normal self. Boorish, arrogant, sometimes weirdly funny, narcissistic to a pathological degree, occasionally warped, but also offering some sharp and painful insights for Europeans

    Demented, no
    The Donald Trump Asylum for the Criminally Insane.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    Trump at Davos now says he won't use force in his territorial ambitions. "I could use force but I won't. All the US is asking for is Greenland"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,165
    Trump is saying Europe, go fuck yourself, sort out migration and energy, or you will kill your economies and countries. And anyway I’m taking Greenland, and that’s that, but we will pay and not invade, and you will accept

    What are the Europeans gonna do?

  • TazTaz Posts: 24,116
    We’re watching Dickinsons Real Deal. Another orange man with a criminal past.

    More entertaining that working oneself up to a lather over the Trumpdozer.

    I’ll catch the highlights, or lowlights, later.

    It’s a real Bobby dazzler.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,967
    Posted on the wrong thread...
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Interesting comment from Davos:

    https://x.com/datarepublican/status/2013336327584956565

    AI requires massive amounts of energy.

    The elites find AI useful.

    Ergo, the elites abandoned renewables and climate change justice overnight.

    The Chinese AI boom is being fuelled almost entirely by renewables.
    There's some interesting commentary on that which suggests they're actually focused on building sufficient grid power for mass robotics (which will likely require more power than current AI demands) in the anticipation that they can get ahead of the US in that, and catch up later in AI.
    Hmmm: there's a new DeepSeek coming (V4) that I suspect is going to be right up there with OpenAI and Anthropic; the QWEN models are surprisingly great; Moonshot is a new player whose K2 models are among the very best for agentic and coding work; and then there are a bunch of new guys like MiniMax and Zhipu.

    Right now, the US is leading (Google's new Gemini is pretty insane), but China really isn't very far behind at all. Mistral is the only European play, and while that's made some great strides in the last year (and you might argue has surpassed Meta's LLAMA in the low paramater, Western, open weights model space), it's definitely not top tier.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,386
    I think I have a bit of a man crush. This may prove to be the most important political speech of the decade. The comment about how "middle powers" compete to get the best deal from the unnamed hegemon must have made Starmer wince. Was that 5% less of a tariff really worth our dignity, our independence, our sovereignty? Carney shows a much, much better way forward and we need to take it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Gardenwalker said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is being unusually articulate and is totally putting the boot into Europe and the UK

    He’s also being quite funny

    I’m not watching, I’m in the office.
    Relying on PB for the highlights.
    Trump's greatest hits, on rambling autoplay, with the added menace that (a) Denmark is undefended and (b) we have superweapons and (c) we took Venezuela and can take Denmark and (d) you here in German-speaking Davos would be speaking German if it wasn't for the US and (e) I could use force but I won't, but Greenland was ours and we want it back and you will sell it to me and (f) the election was stolen everyone knows that and (g) our battleships are 100x more powerful than the ones in WWII

    and so on and so on. Fucking glorious speech.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,427
    Scott_xP said:

    Without America, "right now, you'd all be speaking German" Trump tells an audience in Switzerland.

    Which is 65% German-speaking :lol:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,240
    Can he double-job as PM and Governor of the Bank of England?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Leon said:

    Trump is saying Europe, go fuck yourself, sort out migration and energy, or you will kill your economies and countries. And anyway I’m taking Greenland, and that’s that, but we will pay and not invade, and you will accept

    What are the Europeans gonna do?

    Assume he is pulling the US out of NATO and act accordingly
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,955
    HYUFD said:

    Carney is impressive, probably now overtaken Macron as the main leader of liberal, internationalist free traders in the western world, standing up to Putin and Trump.

    I am not sure Canadian factory workers will be too happy with Carney's agreement to let lots more Chinese cars flood the Canadian market though, even with a promised reduction in Chinese tariffs on Canadian canola seed. Those workers would probably prefer the 30% tariffs Trump has imposed on Chinese imports.

    Leader of the Canadian Opposition and Conservative Party of Canada Poilievre certainly isn't happy with the Liberal PM

    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012207932104925471?s=20
    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012236406433763620?s=20

    My daughter in law is very happy with the opening of China for tourism to BC
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,967
    Leon said:

    Trump is saying Europe, go fuck yourself, sort out migration and energy, or you will kill your economies and countries. And anyway I’m taking Greenland, and that’s that, but we will pay and not invade, and you will accept

    What are the Europeans gonna do?

    The Europeans are sorting themselves out as regards energy: natural gas prices are now lower in Europe than before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It turns out that putting up lots of that hated solar and wind works.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,275
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is saying Europe, go fuck yourself, sort out migration and energy, or you will kill your economies and countries. And anyway I’m taking Greenland, and that’s that, but we will pay and not invade, and you will accept

    What are the Europeans gonna do?

    Assume he is pulling the US out of NATO and act accordingly
    Exactly just tell him to fuck off.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,967
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is saying Europe, go fuck yourself, sort out migration and energy, or you will kill your economies and countries. And anyway I’m taking Greenland, and that’s that, but we will pay and not invade, and you will accept

    What are the Europeans gonna do?

    Assume he is pulling the US out of NATO and act accordingly
    He also can't have it both ways: if he wants Europe to buy US gas, it helps not to yell at them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,154
    edited 2:16PM
    DavidL said:

    I think I have a bit of a man crush. This may prove to be the most important political speech of the decade. The comment about how "middle powers" compete to get the best deal from the unnamed hegemon must have made Starmer wince. Was that 5% less of a tariff really worth our dignity, our independence, our sovereignty? Carney shows a much, much better way forward and we need to take it.

    Maybe but it is dull Sir Keir who got just a 10% tariff from Trump on UK imports while charismatic and suave Carney has had 35% tariffs imposed on Canadian goods sent to the US
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    Trump: "We pay for NATO. We paid for many years, until I came along, in my opinion 100% of NATO, because they weren't paying their bills. And all we're asking for is to get Greenland, including right, title, and ownership."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,154
    edited 2:18PM
    Leon said:

    Trump is saying Europe, go fuck yourself, sort out migration and energy, or you will kill your economies and countries. And anyway I’m taking Greenland, and that’s that, but we will pay and not invade, and you will accept

    What are the Europeans gonna do?

    Ignore him it seems and hope for a Democrat President to be elected in 2028 and for the Democrats to win Congress in November (though a few European leaders like Orban and Meloni are trying to follow Trump's suggestions and back him)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,967
    HYUFD said:

    Carney is impressive, probably now overtaken Macron as the main leader of liberal, internationalist free traders in the western world, standing up to Putin and Trump.

    I am not sure Canadian factory workers will be too happy with Carney's agreement to let lots more Chinese cars flood the Canadian market though, even with a promised reduction in Chinese tariffs on Canadian canola seed. Those workers would probably prefer the 30% tariffs Trump has imposed on Chinese imports.

    Leader of the Canadian Opposition and Conservative Party of Canada Poilievre certainly isn't happy with the Liberal PM

    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012207932104925471?s=20
    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012236406433763620?s=20

    The Carney strategy is great for Alberta, and rubbish for Ontario.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,064
    DavidL said:

    I think I have a bit of a man crush. This may prove to be the most important political speech of the decade. The comment about how "middle powers" compete to get the best deal from the unnamed hegemon must have made Starmer wince. Was that 5% less of a tariff really worth our dignity, our independence, our sovereignty? Carney shows a much, much better way forward and we need to take it.

    Saying it just after he kowtowed to China shows that he has mastered the art of political hypocrisy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,595
    edited 2:19PM
    .
    rcs1000 said:

    Posted on the wrong thread...

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Interesting comment from Davos:

    https://x.com/datarepublican/status/2013336327584956565

    AI requires massive amounts of energy.

    The elites find AI useful.

    Ergo, the elites abandoned renewables and climate change justice overnight.

    The Chinese AI boom is being fuelled almost entirely by renewables.
    There's some interesting commentary on that which suggests they're actually focused on building sufficient grid power for mass robotics (which will likely require more power than current AI demands) in the anticipation that they can get ahead of the US in that, and catch up later in AI.
    Hmmm: there's a new DeepSeek coming (V4) that I suspect is going to be right up there with OpenAI and Anthropic; the QWEN models are surprisingly great; Moonshot is a new player whose K2 models are among the very best for agentic and coding work; and then there are a bunch of new guys like MiniMax and Zhipu.

    Right now, the US is leading (Google's new Gemini is pretty insane), but China really isn't very far behind at all. Mistral is the only European play, and while that's made some great strides in the last year (and you might argue has surpassed Meta's LLAMA in the low paramater, Western, open weights model space), it's definitely not top tier.
    Compare the relative number of data centres, though.
    The US is putting a huge amount of resource into building those, compared with China.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,165
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Trump is saying Europe, go fuck yourself, sort out migration and energy, or you will kill your economies and countries. And anyway I’m taking Greenland, and that’s that, but we will pay and not invade, and you will accept

    What are the Europeans gonna do?

    The Europeans are sorting themselves out as regards energy: natural gas prices are now lower in Europe than before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It turns out that putting up lots of that hated solar and wind works.
    Yeah. His daftest passage was wind and solar. Trump claimed there are no wind farms in China

    ERRRRRR

    China has half the world’s wind capacity

    However on the UK’s absurd energy and migration policies, and ditto the EU, he is mostly right
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,348
    Leon said:

    Trump hinting that America has new super weapons. I’ve heard this elsewhere

    WTF

    You know who else was always hinting about Wunderwaffe?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,083
    edited 2:20PM
    Nigelb said:

    This suggests that space based target surveillance isn't progressing quite as rapidly as everyone thought.

    E-7 Wedgetail Radar Jet The Pentagon Tried To Cancel Gets Over $1B In New Defense Bill
    Lawmakers already shot down Pentagon plans to buy E-2 Hawkeyes instead of E-7s Wedgetails.
    https://www.twz.com/air/e-7-wedgetail-radar-jet-the-pentagon-tried-to-cancel-gets-over-1b-in-new-defense-bill

    $1B is KeepAlive money. The various contractors are fighting hard to preserve E-7, through their political friends.

    For context - last year, the price per copy for the USAF estimated at $700m. And rising
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    Leon said:


    However on the UK’s absurd energy and migration policies, and ditto the EU, he is mostly right

    He is mostly insane
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,602
    edited 2:20PM
    Would Biden haters and Trump fanbois please fucking explain what is going on at the moment in Davos!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,209
    edited 2:21PM
    He's feeding off humiliating people. Best course of action now is to just ignore him - no summits, no texts, nothing. Have another summit next week somewhere else.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,275
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    The absolute state of it
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,602
    williamglenn said:

    DavidL said:

    I think I have a bit of a man crush. This may prove to be the most important political speech of the decade. The comment about how "middle powers" compete to get the best deal from the unnamed hegemon must have made Starmer wince. Was that 5% less of a tariff really worth our dignity, our independence, our sovereignty? Carney shows a much, much better way forward and we need to take it.

    Saying it just after he kowtowed to China shows that he has mastered the art of political hypocrisy.
    Listening to the Trump speech you have no business to critique any other World leader.
  • occasionalranteroccasionalranter Posts: 681
    Gallowgate said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    The absolute state of it
    The Republic: so close to making it to 250 years :(
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,427
    occasionalranter said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    The absolute state of it
    The Republic: so close to making it to 250 years :(
    1783, surely :)
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    I was wondering wtf he was on about
  • occasionalranteroccasionalranter Posts: 681
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    occasionalranter said:

    Gallowgate said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    The absolute state of it
    The Republic: so close to making it to 250 years :(
    1783, surely :)
    Don't start that again ;)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,275
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    The problem is that all of these are difficult decisions that require sacrifices and we are addicted to easy solutions.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,209
    edited 2:24PM
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    Ok - another option now is a joint statement in support of Iceland and put troops in Reykjavik too. Play silly games...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,427
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    Ice as in ICE goons?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    @BBCSimonJack

    While we watch Trump arrive in Davos - this has been happening. Gas prices up 34% in last 5 days. 24% today alone. Analysts tell me geopolitics + cold snap in EU and US + low storage in EU = increased demand potentially constrained supply from US = massive rise.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    He's now slagging off Macron. Who apparently is a spineless worm of a man.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Gallowgate said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    The problem is that all of these are difficult decisions that require sacrifices and we are addicted to easy solutions.
    There is no longer an easy solution.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,602
    occasionalranter said:

    The status of the USA in the world is dropping in real time. $bn of soft power just going up in flames every second.

    Someone in authority needs to realise the 25th is long overdue.

    This man is completely bonkers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,989
    They should be walking out by now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,154
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    Trump has just ruled out invasion of Greenland, he wants to buy it, that is a decision for Denmark and Greenland to see if he offers a high enough price they would expect.

    Beyond that, Starmer has actually been sensible in getting lower tariffs on UK exports to the US than most other nations have had, even if Sir Keir mucked up on the Chagos Islands
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,967
    Scott_xP said:

    @BBCSimonJack

    While we watch Trump arrive in Davos - this has been happening. Gas prices up 34% in last 5 days. 24% today alone. Analysts tell me geopolitics + cold snap in EU and US + low storage in EU = increased demand potentially constrained supply from US = massive rise.

    Natural gas prices have a natural seasonality, based around -yes- the weather.

    And $37 is an mmbtu (the current price) is about a third lower than this time last year.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,268
    Gallowgate said:

    First?

    No, that was Andrew Bonar Law.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Apparently price reductions less than 100% is "fake news math"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,967
    RochdalePioneers said:

    He's now slagging off Macron. Who apparently is a spineless worm of a man.

    Yes, if you don't lick Trump's arse, you are a spineless worm of a man.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    The worst bit? He will eventually finish, walk off state and his Amy Brookheimer will say "Great Speech Mr President"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,154
    edited 2:29PM
    occasionalranter said:

    The status of the USA in the world is dropping in real time. $bn of soft power just going up in flames every second.

    Trump doesn't give a shit about US soft power, he cares only about hard power and to the extent the US is still the biggest global economy with the strongest military he has a point
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,386
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carney is impressive, probably now overtaken Macron as the main leader of liberal, internationalist free traders in the western world, standing up to Putin and Trump.

    I am not sure Canadian factory workers will be too happy with Carney's agreement to let lots more Chinese cars flood the Canadian market though, even with a promised reduction in Chinese tariffs on Canadian canola seed. Those workers would probably prefer the 30% tariffs Trump has imposed on Chinese imports.

    Leader of the Canadian Opposition and Conservative Party of Canada Poilievre certainly isn't happy with the Liberal PM

    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012207932104925471?s=20
    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012236406433763620?s=20

    My daughter in law is very happy with the opening of China for tourism to BC
    My son's girlfriend (Canadian) says that Poilievre has his lowest ratings ever following the speech and that Canadians are genuinely excited to be taking on the US who have betrayed them.

    As I have said before the real losers of the new deals with China will be the US whose trade with Canada is collapsing as they disengage from one of the closest economic arrangements between sovereign nations on the planet. The China agreement will cost thousands of Americans their car manufacturing jobs. Its the price of having elected Trump. Again.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,350
    edited 2:31PM
    Mexicanpete said:

    occasionalranter said:

    The status of the USA in the world is dropping in real time. $bn of soft power just going up in flames every second.

    Someone in authority needs to realise the 25th is long overdue.

    This man is completely bonkers.
    A deranged, babbling, lunatic.

    It must have been like this in the last years of the Heavenly King.

    Orange Dementus.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,275
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Gallowgate said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    The problem is that all of these are difficult decisions that require sacrifices and we are addicted to easy solutions.
    There is no longer an easy solution.
    There is. Wilful ignorance. It would be terrible for the long term but fine for now
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,602
    It's like asking a five year old kid who can't read to speak for 2 hours.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,165
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    Trump hinting that America has new super weapons. I’ve heard this elsewhere

    WTF

    You know who else was always hinting about Wunderwaffe?
    I would dismiss it as a Trumpism on ketamine but there are wild online rumours that the US special forces did something to totally disable and terrify the Cuban guards around Maduro, allowing them to be slaughtered at will. Thus the insane disparity in body count. Dozens of Cubans dead, and maybe zero yanks?

    Could be total bollocks. But not necessarily
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    HYUFD said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    Trump has just ruled out invasion of Greenland, he wants to buy it, that is a decision for Denmark and Greenland to see if he offers a high enough price they would expect.

    Beyond that, Starmer has actually been sensible in getting lower tariffs on UK exports to the US than most other nations have had, even if Sir Keir mucked up on the Chagos Islands
    1. Earlier in the speech Trump stated that he could take Greenland in minutes as he took Venezuela
    2. If you think his word has merit then you're demented, especially when he contradicts himself repeatedly in the same spoeech
    3. We're being threatened with more tariffs
    4. Chagos? Are you Andrew Rosindell?

    You do know that giving succour to America will be reduced onto the same level as going on Press TV and RT?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,955
    Scott_xP said:

    He's going to invade Iceland now so nobody notices his dementia

    I actually think in his own mind he painted Greenland as a lump of ice and didn't mean Iceland the country, but then the man is simply mad as a hatter
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    @JeremyCliffe

    Some Europeans will be reassured by this, and wind down the (cautious) assertiveness of recent days.

    But it shows that displays of European resolve move Trump in ways that the misguided sycophancy of previous 12 months never did. It's a reason to press forward, not pull back.

    https://x.com/JeremyCliffe/status/2013982181434028368?s=20
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    Gallowgate said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Gallowgate said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    The problem is that all of these are difficult decisions that require sacrifices and we are addicted to easy solutions.
    There is no longer an easy solution.
    There is. Wilful ignorance. It would be terrible for the long term but fine for now
    ? You mean short term. He can switch stuff off tomorrow if he wants to.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,268
    Scott_xP said:

    Trump is now confusing Greenland and Iceland: "They're not there for us on Iceland, that I can tell you. Our stock market took the first dip yesterday because of Iceland. So Iceland has already cost us a lot of money."

    Yet I was assured upthread that he did not come across as demented in this speech.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,154
    RochdalePioneers said:

    HYUFD said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    Trump has just ruled out invasion of Greenland, he wants to buy it, that is a decision for Denmark and Greenland to see if he offers a high enough price they would expect.

    Beyond that, Starmer has actually been sensible in getting lower tariffs on UK exports to the US than most other nations have had, even if Sir Keir mucked up on the Chagos Islands
    1. Earlier in the speech Trump stated that he could take Greenland in minutes as he took Venezuela
    2. If you think his word has merit then you're demented, especially when he contradicts himself repeatedly in the same spoeech
    3. We're being threatened with more tariffs
    4. Chagos? Are you Andrew Rosindell?

    You do know that giving succour to America will be reduced onto the same level as going on Press TV and RT?
    Not with Reform voters it won't, nor even with many Tory voters
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,024
    Why should we go back to having Prime Ministers born in Canada? The first one was pretty rubbish, only being there for a few months and achieving basically nothing except giving in to the Americans and getting us a disastrously unfavourable settlement on First World War debts.

    A much better idea would be to go back to Prime Minsters born in Grantham.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,852
    @edroso.bsky.social‬

    This is like if Hitler were too brain-damaged to pronounce "lebensraum"

    https://bsky.app/profile/edroso.bsky.social/post/3mcwv3voc5c23
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,667
    "Without the United States you don't have a country". He's now slagging off the Swiss. In Switzerland.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,268
    HYUFD said:

    occasionalranter said:

    The status of the USA in the world is dropping in real time. $bn of soft power just going up in flames every second.

    Trump doesn't give a shit about US soft power, he cares only about hard power and to the extent the US is still the biggest global economy with the strongest military he has a point
    It's simpler than that: Trump cares about Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,165
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:


    However on the UK’s absurd energy and migration policies, and ditto the EU, he is mostly right

    He is mostly insane
    As are you. As you have been, now, for TEN YEARS. Which slightly devalues your opinion
  • glwglw Posts: 10,691
    Mexicanpete said:

    Would Biden haters and Trump fanbois please fucking explain what is going on at the moment in Davos!

    They can't the cost to their ego would be too great to admit they have defended a raving nutter who threatens the entire world's security.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,799
    HYUFD said:

    Carney is impressive, probably now overtaken Macron as the main leader of liberal, internationalist free traders in the western world, standing up to Putin and Trump.

    I am not sure Canadian factory workers will be too happy with Carney's agreement to let lots more Chinese cars flood the Canadian market though, even with a promised reduction in Chinese tariffs on Canadian canola seed. Those workers would probably prefer the 30% tariffs Trump has imposed on Chinese imports.

    Leader of the Canadian Opposition and Conservative Party of Canada Poilievre certainly isn't happy with the Liberal PM

    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012207932104925471?s=20
    https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status/2012236406433763620?s=20

    It could be worse. Britain subsidises dumped Chinese cars (and Teslas).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,602
    Sean_F said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    occasionalranter said:

    The status of the USA in the world is dropping in real time. $bn of soft power just going up in flames every second.

    Someone in authority needs to realise the 25th is long overdue.

    This man is completely bonkers.
    A deranged, babbling, lunatic.

    .
    How very dare you! I try my best.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,268
    RochdalePioneers said:

    HYUFD said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Look, we needed this speech. Listen to Carney yesterday, listen to this, and take the sign down from our window.

    It's *OVER*

    Park the Starmer/HYUFD normalcy bias nonsense. You can't just go on assuming that the old world is the current world. It is not.

    Cancel all US military procurement contracts. Invite US armed forces to go home. Cut off our supposed cooperation on intel and other matters. Better that we do it now under our own terms, or we face down what he chooses to do to us.

    Sorry, I know I have banged this drum on and on. But fucking listen to him. And tell me this is fine.

    Trump has just ruled out invasion of Greenland, he wants to buy it, that is a decision for Denmark and Greenland to see if he offers a high enough price they would expect.

    Beyond that, Starmer has actually been sensible in getting lower tariffs on UK exports to the US than most other nations have had, even if Sir Keir mucked up on the Chagos Islands
    1. Earlier in the speech Trump stated that he could take Greenland in minutes as he took Venezuela
    2. If you think his word has merit then you're demented, especially when he contradicts himself repeatedly in the same spoeech
    3. We're being threatened with more tariffs
    4. Chagos? Are you Andrew Rosindell?

    You do know that giving succour to America will be reduced onto the same level as going on Press TV and RT?
    Trump appears to be unaware that he didn't take Venezuela.
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