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?Due to the regime cutting off the internet last 5 days messages coming out of Iran have decreased by 99% – this one made it through. The scale of civilian massacre is far beyond what has been reported. The figure of 12,000 killed is described as ‘almost a joke’ compared to… pic.twitter.com/Utf7yDtt6N

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  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,279
    First?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,203
    edited 8:16AM
    1st again?

    Edit: Fake news!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649
    edited 8:26AM
    Some better surprises/ revisions in GDP numbers:

    Economy rebounded on monthly figure in November - up 0.3%, and it turned out that it didn’t fall in September, after revisions…

    On 3 month figure - up slightly 0.1% but the negative number last month also revised away…

    Flattish but not negative/no recession.

    Nobody should get carried away on upside with these numbers, but plenty of doom mongers were getting carried away on the downside, and the evidence is that the slight negative numbers at the end of last year were flattish/ slightly up… unlikely now to get a negative number q4


    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/2011713807002050914
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,686
    One reading if these numbers really are true: they imply the protesters are fighting back. A non violent protest brutally put down by security forces generally only requires a hundred or so deaths before the protesters call it quits. The sorts of numbers we’re seeing now are more reminiscent of Libya or early Syria.

    What seems clear though is Trump has managed to squander his recently acquired cloak of invincibility, like his predecessors did over Assad.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649
    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649
    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,216
    A colleague has heard nothing from her family in Tehran for 6 days.

    Terrifying.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,686
    edited 8:24AM

    NEWSome better surprises/ revisions in GDP numbers:

    Economy rebounded on monthly figure in November - up 0.3%, and it turned out that it didn’t fall in September, after revisions…

    On 3 month figure - up slightly 0.1% but the negative number last month also revised away…

    Flattish but not negative/no recession.

    Nobody should get carried away on upside with these numbers, but plenty of doom mongers were getting carried away on the downside, and the evidence is that the slight negative numbers at the end of last year were flattish/ slightly up… unlikely now to get a negative number q4


    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/2011713807002050914

    Quarterly GDP estimates go up and down like a yoyo. Even annual ones. So monthly figures are even more suspect. Over recent years they’ve tended to be revised upwards, under both governments.

    This isn’t to blame the ONS. They’re doing their best with partial data. Every developed country has the same challenges.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,403
    Good news on the economic figures, incidentally. We'll see if they persist.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,216
    edited 8:28AM
    FPT: Bad day for Russia in Ukraine - 1150 men, 84 pieces of artillery no longer reporting for duty...

    Oh, and a record 8 MLRs.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,282

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    I wonder who is paying his legal fees because I suspect they are coming from the forces money not his own.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649

    A colleague has heard nothing from her family in Tehran for 6 days.

    Terrifying.

    It is, my friends are in a similar situation.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,216

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    One man's "unfairly treated" is another's "You fucked up. Own it."
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    “I think I’m the real victim, here.”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649
    eek said:

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    I wonder who is paying his legal fees because I suspect they are coming from the forces money not his own.
    So long as his lawyers get paid does it really matter who pays?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,688
    MelonB said:

    One reading if these numbers really are true: they imply the protesters are fighting back. A non violent protest brutally put down by security forces generally only requires a hundred or so deaths before the protesters call it quits. The sorts of numbers we’re seeing now are more reminiscent of Libya or early Syria.

    What seems clear though is Trump has managed to squander his recently acquired cloak of invincibility, like his predecessors did over Assad.

    TACO as usual
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    One man's "unfairly treated" is another's "You fucked up. Own it."
    Should the Home Secretary resign over this? Where does the buck stop? (Although if we are betting on the CC, the spread would be lunchtime or teatime.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649
    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    No, it's removed the option for all users regardless of location.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,166
    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    edited 8:43AM
    algarkirk said:

    The complexities of Iran, which make it unique, though comparable to Greece, Rome, Judea etc.

    1) It has a continuous and ancient culture and a history of conquering and being conquered
    2) It had a unique and interesting ancient religion (which clings on for a few)
    3) It is Islamic, middle eastern and (while ethnically very mixed) definitely not Arab
    4) Its ethnic and language roots are Indo European, not semitic
    5) While the language is Indo European, its script is Arabic
    6) Its cultural history is glorious and continuous
    7) Its version of Islam is followed only by about 10% of Muslims, and it is the only large shia country
    8) For shia and sunni relationships don't think about UK ecumenism, compare it with 16th century RC v protestant relations
    9) Iranians are proud and educated
    10) The west is profoundly ignorant of Iranian history. For example, In how many universities in the UK can you study the Elamites compared with the number you can study ancient Greece and Rome or ancient Judea?

    I have a couple of friends who have travelled to Iran, and they both came back deeply impressed by the country and its people. It's a tragedy the Iranians have to live under such a brutal and backward-looking regime, and one can understand their desire for change.

    Trump's deeply foolish cheering them on without having any levers of sufficient import to pull reminds me of the betrayal of the demonstrators in Budapest '56 and Prague '68.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649
    edited 8:44AM
    Sean_F said:

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    “I think I’m the real victim, here.”
    It's a bit Sharon Shoesmith by the Chief Constable.

    That said didn't she win nearly £750,000 compensation for unfair dismissal.

    Edit it was £679,452.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28454800
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,323
    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    MelonB said:

    NEWSome better surprises/ revisions in GDP numbers:

    Economy rebounded on monthly figure in November - up 0.3%, and it turned out that it didn’t fall in September, after revisions…

    On 3 month figure - up slightly 0.1% but the negative number last month also revised away…

    Flattish but not negative/no recession.

    Nobody should get carried away on upside with these numbers, but plenty of doom mongers were getting carried away on the downside, and the evidence is that the slight negative numbers at the end of last year were flattish/ slightly up… unlikely now to get a negative number q4


    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/2011713807002050914

    Quarterly GDP estimates go up and down like a yoyo. Even annual ones. So monthly figures are even more suspect. Over recent years they’ve tended to be revised upwards, under both governments.

    This isn’t to blame the ONS. They’re doing their best with partial data. Every developed country has the same challenges.
    The trouble is the very real political and economic consequences of bad forecasts. Ask Denis Healey, who we later discovered did not need to call in the IMF.

    Here is everyone's favourite car, rocket and nude maker with a 45-second parable about GDP estimates:-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gAjdU-tZuTQ
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,279

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437

    Sean_F said:

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    “I think I’m the real victim, here.”
    It's a bit Sharon Shoesmith by the Chief Constable.

    That said didn't she win nearly £750,000 compensation for unfair dismissal.

    Edit it was £679,452.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28454800
    The unfair dismissal cap is being removed by the government. We shall soon see multi million pound payouts to failing public sector leaders.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,285
    edited 8:57AM

    FPT: Bad day for Russia in Ukraine - 1150 men, 84 pieces of artillery no longer reporting for duty...

    Oh, and a record 8 MLRs.

    Four dodgy oil ships hit in the Black Sea as well.

    Russian deaths in the last couple of months are higher than the recruitment rate, their army is slowly but surely being dismantled.

    Have to LOL at Russians saying that there’s fewer of their tanks being destroyed. Da, it’s true, but only because they have almost no tanks left to field.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437
    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,137
    Great BBC reporting on another theocracy, Afghanistan: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg7vdpy1l2vo
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    Religion has always been a key lever that older men with the power have used to persuade younger men to put their lives on the line for it. That's why it's been attractive to so many rulers through history.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,305

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,285

    A colleague has heard nothing from her family in Tehran for 6 days.

    Terrifying.

    It is, my friends are in a similar situation.
    Yes there’s very little getting out of Iran at the moment. Mobile networks are mostly down and the authorities are jamming and confiscating Starlink terminals.

    It’s quite likely that the real story is going to be much worse than we think at the moment. Tens of thousands of casualties.

    There’s an unconfirmed story of a several banks about to collapse, including that which handles government payments. If that’s true, we might see the military start to change their tune if they don’t get paid.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,166

    Sean_F said:

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    “I think I’m the real victim, here.”
    It's a bit Sharon Shoesmith by the Chief Constable.

    That said didn't she win nearly £750,000 compensation for unfair dismissal.

    Edit it was £679,452.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28454800
    The unfair dismissal cap is being removed by the government. We shall soon see multi million pound payouts to failing public sector leaders.
    Not if the government follow procedures correctly, then it wouldn't be unfair.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437
    edited 8:59AM
    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    I understand it is helpful for those wanting to see their step moms.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,185
    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And sneaking bets on with online bookmakers who have banned you because you've backed too many winners with them.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Is there a degree of magical thinking here? One or two seem to believe Grok really can undress women as if it had X-ray vision and can see the real body under the clothes, and is not just the AI equivalent of pasting headshots into a porn magazine (which iirc people have been imprisoned for, btw, so this is not a defence). It might be hurtful and embarrassing to have your deepfaked image posted online but it is not really you in the way that an illicitly posted sex tape *is* really you.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,010
    First edition of In Our Time with Misha Glenny presenting about to start.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/b006qykl
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437

    Sean_F said:

    This is great news.

    The chief constable of West Midlands police feels “unfairly treated” and is resisting pressure to resign, despite having lost the confidence of the home secretary.

    Craig Guildford is said to be “lawyering up” after Shabana Mahmood called for him to go over a decision to ban Israeli fans from travelling to a Maccabi Tel Aviv match against Aston Villa.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-chief-west-midlands-ai-false-maccabi-tel-aviv-fan-ban-0vxk9lrbg

    “I think I’m the real victim, here.”
    It's a bit Sharon Shoesmith by the Chief Constable.

    That said didn't she win nearly £750,000 compensation for unfair dismissal.

    Edit it was £679,452.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28454800
    The unfair dismissal cap is being removed by the government. We shall soon see multi million pound payouts to failing public sector leaders.
    Not if the government follow procedures correctly, then it wouldn't be unfair.
    The procedures are there to protect failing management as they are written by said management, and decisions on pre court payouts are often taken by their colleagues and friends.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan enter the argument.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,290
    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    The complexities of Iran, which make it unique, though comparable to Greece, Rome, Judea etc.

    1) It has a continuous and ancient culture and a history of conquering and being conquered
    2) It had a unique and interesting ancient religion (which clings on for a few)
    3) It is Islamic, middle eastern and (while ethnically very mixed) definitely not Arab
    4) Its ethnic and language roots are Indo European, not semitic
    5) While the language is Indo European, its script is Arabic
    6) Its cultural history is glorious and continuous
    7) Its version of Islam is followed only by about 10% of Muslims, and it is the only large shia country
    8) For shia and sunni relationships don't think about UK ecumenism, compare it with 16th century RC v protestant relations
    9) Iranians are proud and educated
    10) The west is profoundly ignorant of Iranian history. For example, In how many universities in the UK can you study the Elamites compared with the number you can study ancient Greece and Rome or ancient Judea?

    I have a couple of friends who have travelled to Iran, and they both came back deeply impressed by the country and its people. It's a tragedy the Iranians have to live under such a brutal and backward-looking regime, and one can understand their desire for change.

    Trump's deeply foolish cheering them on without having any levers of sufficient import to pull reminds me of the betrayal of the demonstrators in Budapest '56 and Prague '68.
    Except the USA and the West in general were more willing to take substantial numbers of refugees in those cases. This time...?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And sneaking bets on with online bookmakers who have banned you because you've backed too many winners with them.
    And because some regimes, like China or Iran to name but two, take a more restrictive view of what is illicit communication and what can be permitted.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Is there a degree of magical thinking here? One or two seem to believe Grok really can undress women as if it had X-ray vision and can see the real body under the clothes, and is not just the AI equivalent of pasting headshots into a porn magazine (which iirc people have been imprisoned for, btw, so this is not a defence). It might be hurtful and embarrassing to have your deepfaked image posted online but it is not really you in the way that an illicitly posted sex tape *is* really you.
    Sure. It is not the same, but that doesn't mean society can't decide whether it wants to allow it or not. And wider society can decide that and rule above Musk et al if people feel strongly about it, which they do.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,403
    Sean_F said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan enter the argument.
    To be fair, didn't Genghis Khan, and his descendants, believe they were divinely ordained to rule the entire world?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,137

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Is there a degree of magical thinking here? One or two seem to believe Grok really can undress women as if it had X-ray vision and can see the real body under the clothes, and is not just the AI equivalent of pasting headshots into a porn magazine (which iirc people have been imprisoned for, btw, so this is not a defence). It might be hurtful and embarrassing to have your deepfaked image posted online but it is not really you in the way that an illicitly posted sex tape *is* really you.
    That’s true, but not much comfort for the woman to whom this has happened.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,166
    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    So, apart from linking to work, which work servers can be amended to allow, then most other uses are a subterfuge for an illegal act?
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,061
    edited 9:06AM

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,282

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Is there a degree of magical thinking here? One or two seem to believe Grok really can undress women as if it had X-ray vision and can see the real body under the clothes, and is not just the AI equivalent of pasting headshots into a porn magazine (which iirc people have been imprisoned for, btw, so this is not a defence). It might be hurtful and embarrassing to have your deepfaked image posted online but it is not really you in the way that an illicitly posted sex tape *is* really you.
    Sure. It is not the same, but that doesn't mean society can't decide whether it wants to allow it or not. And wider society can decide that and rule above Musk et al if people feel strongly about it, which they do.
    It’s not the same but it’s close enough for what those people want
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,279
    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    Religion has always been a key lever that older men with the power have used to persuade younger men to put their lives on the line for it. That's why it's been attractive to so many rulers through history.
    While I think that argument is exaggerated, at least you don't reify an intangible social imaginary in order to explain the causes of things. Humans cause wars. It is one of the weaknesses of non theistic humanist positions to use abstractions as causal agents to distance oneself, a human, from evils.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320
    edited 9:07AM

    Sean_F said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan enter the argument.
    To be fair, didn't Genghis Khan, and his descendants, believe they were divinely ordained to rule the entire world?
    They did, but they were entirely tolerant, in matters of religion. They were not fighting to spread Tengrism.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,290
    How the fck has this moronic, whiny wanker got any kind of a public platform? Good Stone Island badge action tho'.

    LBC
    @LBC
    'We drank ten pints, got bang on the whiskey.'

    @iamtomskinner
    says JD Vance is a 'down to earth, normal guy'.


    https://x.com/LBC/status/2011500435333435658?s=20
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,137
    algarkirk said:

    The complexities of Iran, which make it unique, though comparable to Greece, Rome, Judea etc.

    1) It has a continuous and ancient culture and a history of conquering and being conquered
    2) It had a unique and interesting ancient religion (which clings on for a few)
    3) It is Islamic, middle eastern and (while ethnically very mixed) definitely not Arab
    4) Its ethnic and language roots are Indo European, not semitic
    5) While the language is Indo European, its script is Arabic
    6) Its cultural history is glorious and continuous
    7) Its version of Islam is followed only by about 10% of Muslims, and it is the only large shia country
    8) For shia and sunni relationships don't think about UK ecumenism, compare it with 16th century RC v protestant relations
    9) Iranians are proud and educated
    10) The west is profoundly ignorant of Iranian history. For example, In how many universities in the UK can you study the Elamites compared with the number you can study ancient Greece and Rome or ancient Judea?

    11) It is also an ethnically diverse country, with only about 60% of Iran identifying as Persian. There are other groups, like Kurds, Azerbaijanis, Baloch, Qashqai, Turkmen etc. Some of these groups speak Turkic or Semitic languages. Some of these groups follow Sunni Islam.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,403
    edited 9:11AM
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan enter the argument.
    To be fair, didn't Genghis Khan, and his descendants, believe they were divinely ordained to rule the entire world?
    They did, but they were entirely tolerant, in matters of religion. They were not fighting to spread Tengrism.
    Wasn't that tolerance so long as a religion's practices weren't contrary to Tengrism?

    Edited extra bit: I take the point on it not being quite the same as a jihad or crusade, though.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437

    How the fck has this moronic, whiny wanker got any kind of a public platform? Good Stone Island badge action tho'.

    LBC
    @LBC
    'We drank ten pints, got bang on the whiskey.'

    @iamtomskinner
    says JD Vance is a 'down to earth, normal guy'.


    https://x.com/LBC/status/2011500435333435658?s=20

    Bosh!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    More likely pressure from conservative Americans than Number 10.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan enter the argument.
    To be fair, didn't Genghis Khan, and his descendants, believe they were divinely ordained to rule the entire world?
    They did, but they were entirely tolerant, in matters of religion. They were not fighting to spread Tengrism.
    Wasn't that tolerance so long as a religion's practices weren't contrary to Tengrism?

    Edited extra bit: I take the point on it not being quite the same as a jihad or crusade, though.
    I’d see his motivation as similar to those of Caesar, Napoleon, or Alexander, who saw themselves as special, chosen by the Gods/Providence to conquer vast realms, but not interested in promulgating a particular belief.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,403
    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Yeah, it's zealotry which is the common factor. That can be a major part of religion but political fundamentalism (fascism, communism etc) can be a cause too.

    It's also why closing down debates by insisting disagreement is a moral wrong or trying to take people down for using wrongspeak are major red flags that someone wants to win an argument not through reasoned intelligence and persuasion but by defining the rules of the game and red carding anyone who has the temerity to dissent.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    MelonB said:

    One reading if these numbers really are true: they imply the protesters are fighting back. A non violent protest brutally put down by security forces generally only requires a hundred or so deaths before the protesters call it quits. The sorts of numbers we’re seeing now are more reminiscent of Libya or early Syria.

    What seems clear though is Trump has managed to squander his recently acquired cloak of invincibility, like his predecessors did over Assad.

    Iran is a big place. There might be thousands killed in aggregate but with no access to national news coverage, how will anyone know it extends beyond a couple of dozen arrests at their town's rally?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,203

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Yeah, it's zealotry which is the common factor. That can be a major part of religion but political fundamentalism (fascism, communism etc) can be a cause too.

    It's also why closing down debates by insisting disagreement is a moral wrong or trying to take people down for using wrongspeak are major red flags that someone wants to win an argument not through reasoned intelligence and persuasion but by defining the rules of the game and red carding anyone who has the temerity to dissent.
    Pure selfishness, too. The only way you can live with taking people as slaves and selling them, is to dehumanise them in some way.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,285
    Space station mission that was ended early for medical reasons, has landed successfully back on Earth.

    https://x.com/spacex/status/2011720896822604226
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,403
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Yeah, it's zealotry which is the common factor. That can be a major part of religion but political fundamentalism (fascism, communism etc) can be a cause too.

    It's also why closing down debates by insisting disagreement is a moral wrong or trying to take people down for using wrongspeak are major red flags that someone wants to win an argument not through reasoned intelligence and persuasion but by defining the rules of the game and red carding anyone who has the temerity to dissent.
    Pure selfishness, too. The only way you can live with taking people as slaves and selling them, is to dehumanise them in some way.
    Slightly OT, ahem, but I recently read Maurice's Strategikon, and I think it was the Slavs that were asserted to keep people as slaves, but to free them after a few years and either let them go home or stay and live as a free man.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    Yes.

    I am one of the few employees at my firm that can access any website he likes.

    For research and investigation purposes, of course.

    I have actually watched porn on my work laptop and 26 inch monitor.

    I had to investigate somebody being very naughty.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,255

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    I can certainly access the BBC overseas instance when connected through a non-uk endpoint. Porn is something you can try.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,880
    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    The complexities of Iran, which make it unique, though comparable to Greece, Rome, Judea etc.

    1) It has a continuous and ancient culture and a history of conquering and being conquered
    2) It had a unique and interesting ancient religion (which clings on for a few)
    3) It is Islamic, middle eastern and (while ethnically very mixed) definitely not Arab
    4) Its ethnic and language roots are Indo European, not semitic
    5) While the language is Indo European, its script is Arabic
    6) Its cultural history is glorious and continuous
    7) Its version of Islam is followed only by about 10% of Muslims, and it is the only large shia country
    8) For shia and sunni relationships don't think about UK ecumenism, compare it with 16th century RC v protestant relations
    9) Iranians are proud and educated
    10) The west is profoundly ignorant of Iranian history. For example, In how many universities in the UK can you study the Elamites compared with the number you can study ancient Greece and Rome or ancient Judea?

    I have a couple of friends who have travelled to Iran, and they both came back deeply impressed by the country and its people. It's a tragedy the Iranians have to live under such a brutal and backward-looking regime, and one can understand their desire for change.

    Trump's deeply foolish cheering them on without having any levers of sufficient import to pull reminds me of the betrayal of the demonstrators in Budapest '56 and Prague '68.
    I think we can argue Budapest and Prague were different cases as was Poland in 1981 - a direct military intervention by the US would have been an act of war or regarded as such as Moscow just as if Russian forces had intervened during the Paris riots.

    As for Iran, there's a sense the moment has passed (this time). Had America intervened late last week, who knows? Even now, I'm hearing some are turning on Pahlavi as a possible future leader because of his closeness to Trump - it may be the post-theocratic Iran doesn't turn out as Washington and Trump would like or hope. Revolutions are like that - they don't always go where you want or expect.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,928

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    So, apart from linking to work, which work servers can be amended to allow, then most other uses are a subterfuge for an illegal act?
    It also fucks up the tracking that feeds The Beast.

    The Beast - the nexus of online advertising & social media that has done so much to make this world a Joy Joy place.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,010
    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Yeah, it's zealotry which is the common factor. That can be a major part of religion but political fundamentalism (fascism, communism etc) can be a cause too.

    It's also why closing down debates by insisting disagreement is a moral wrong or trying to take people down for using wrongspeak are major red flags that someone wants to win an argument not through reasoned intelligence and persuasion but by defining the rules of the game and red carding anyone who has the temerity to dissent.
    Pure selfishness, too. The only way you can live with taking people as slaves and selling them, is to dehumanise them in some way.
    Slightly OT, ahem, but I recently read Maurice's Strategikon, and I think it was the Slavs that were asserted to keep people as slaves, but to free them after a few years and either let them go home or stay and live as a free man.
    When I first started doing Latin, textbooks tended to treat ancient slavery as sort of okay, because it was not race-based. I remember the phrase “Laeti servi sunt”, “the slaves are happy”, along with a picture of good-humoured slaves going off to work the land.

    Then, one of my teachers gave a really gripping lesson about the realities of ancient slavery.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,285

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    Yes.

    I am one of the few employees at my firm that can access any website he likes.

    For research and investigation purposes, of course.

    I have actually watched porn on my work laptop and 26 inch monitor.

    I had to investigate somebody being very naughty.
    Don’t worry, the IT guy knows exactly what you’re watching…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,010
    "Sadiq Khan: AI could usher in new era of mass unemployment

    AI could become a "weapon of mass destruction of jobs" if urgent action is not taken, according to London mayor Sir Sadiq Khan."

    https://news.sky.com/story/sadiq-khan-ai-could-usher-in-new-era-of-mass-unemployment-13494305
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,403
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sadiq Khan: AI could usher in new era of mass unemployment

    AI could become a "weapon of mass destruction of jobs" if urgent action is not taken, according to London mayor Sir Sadiq Khan."

    https://news.sky.com/story/sadiq-khan-ai-could-usher-in-new-era-of-mass-unemployment-13494305

    if robotics gets more advanced that'll wipe out even more.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    Be sure to let us know when Wes Streeting resigns over an NHS scandal. The buck stops a few layers below the top, as President Truman used to say.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    Sandpit said:

    Space station mission that was ended early for medical reasons, has landed successfully back on Earth.

    https://x.com/spacex/status/2011720896822604226

    Nevertheless their spokeswoman describing this as an "iconic moment" for the Space Station did make me wonder whether she knew what iconic meant?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,880
    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    I'm not convinced giving the Home Secretary the power to fire a Chief Constable is a good idea. There is an existing accountability and that's how it should be - simply sending more authority up to Ministers undermines local democracy - it's the sort of game Boris Johnson played when he took powers from Westminster and gave them to Ministers - have they been repatriated by Starmer, I'm going to say no?

    We have a PCC in the West Midlands - for now. That person was duly elected and ultimately it's their decision, rightly or wrongly.

    This whole business has been an example of ineptitude in extremis and the argument Guildford (the man, not the city) should be sacked is a powerful one given everything that has happened but that does not condone further Government intervention in the form of expanding the power of Ministers.

    What Mahmood is proposing, I believe, is analogous to what used to be the case in London when the Commissioner of the Met could only be hired and fired via the Home Secretary (until the coming of the Mayor).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Yeah, it's zealotry which is the common factor. That can be a major part of religion but political fundamentalism (fascism, communism etc) can be a cause too.

    It's also why closing down debates by insisting disagreement is a moral wrong or trying to take people down for using wrongspeak are major red flags that someone wants to win an argument not through reasoned intelligence and persuasion but by defining the rules of the game and red carding anyone who has the temerity to dissent.
    Pure selfishness, too. The only way you can live with taking people as slaves and selling them, is to dehumanise them in some way.
    Slightly OT, ahem, but I recently read Maurice's Strategikon, and I think it was the Slavs that were asserted to keep people as slaves, but to free them after a few years and either let them go home or stay and live as a free man.
    When I first started doing Latin, textbooks tended to treat ancient slavery as sort of okay, because it was not race-based. I remember the phrase “Laeti servi sunt”, “the slaves are happy”, along with a picture of good-humoured slaves going off to work the land.

    Then, one of my teachers gave a really gripping lesson about the realities of ancient slavery.
    Also important to remember that the lot of many 'free' ordinary peasants, in medieval times and later, nevertheless had many aspects that we would nowadays see as akin to slavery, such as being forbidden to leave their land
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,241
    Sandpit said:

    FPT: Bad day for Russia in Ukraine - 1150 men, 84 pieces of artillery no longer reporting for duty...

    Oh, and a record 8 MLRs.

    Four dodgy oil ships hit in the Black Sea as well.

    Russian deaths in the last couple of months are higher than the recruitment rate, their army is slowly but surely being dismantled.

    Have to LOL at Russians saying that there’s fewer of their tanks being destroyed. Da, it’s true, but only because they have almost no tanks left to field.
    But your man Trump is blaming Zelensky again for the war not ending.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,290
    This definitely needs the Curb Your Enthusiasm music as an accompaniment.

    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2011511214161961097?s=20
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,130
    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    If this guy has a case of ODD then this kind of thing is going to make him even less likely to resign. Not a great trait in a police officer admittedly but...

    (Did he actually directly lie to parliament? I can't be bothered wading through all the comment on this.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    edited 9:38AM
    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    The complexities of Iran, which make it unique, though comparable to Greece, Rome, Judea etc.

    1) It has a continuous and ancient culture and a history of conquering and being conquered
    2) It had a unique and interesting ancient religion (which clings on for a few)
    3) It is Islamic, middle eastern and (while ethnically very mixed) definitely not Arab
    4) Its ethnic and language roots are Indo European, not semitic
    5) While the language is Indo European, its script is Arabic
    6) Its cultural history is glorious and continuous
    7) Its version of Islam is followed only by about 10% of Muslims, and it is the only large shia country
    8) For shia and sunni relationships don't think about UK ecumenism, compare it with 16th century RC v protestant relations
    9) Iranians are proud and educated
    10) The west is profoundly ignorant of Iranian history. For example, In how many universities in the UK can you study the Elamites compared with the number you can study ancient Greece and Rome or ancient Judea?

    I have a couple of friends who have travelled to Iran, and they both came back deeply impressed by the country and its people. It's a tragedy the Iranians have to live under such a brutal and backward-looking regime, and one can understand their desire for change.

    Trump's deeply foolish cheering them on without having any levers of sufficient import to pull reminds me of the betrayal of the demonstrators in Budapest '56 and Prague '68.
    I think we can argue Budapest and Prague were different cases as was Poland in 1981 - a direct military intervention by the US would have been an act of war or regarded as such as Moscow just as if Russian forces had intervened during the Paris riots.

    As for Iran, there's a sense the moment has passed (this time). Had America intervened late last week, who knows? Even now, I'm hearing some are turning on Pahlavi as a possible future leader because of his closeness to Trump - it may be the post-theocratic Iran doesn't turn out as Washington and Trump would like or hope. Revolutions are like that - they don't always go where you want or expect.
    The parallel is the cheering on and encouragement from a distance (such as by VOA), followed by...nothing. Iran too would see US intervention as an act of war, the difference being that it doesn't have nuclear weapons.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,649
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    Yes.

    I am one of the few employees at my firm that can access any website he likes.

    For research and investigation purposes, of course.

    I have actually watched porn on my work laptop and 26 inch monitor.

    I had to investigate somebody being very naughty.
    Don’t worry, the IT guy knows exactly what you’re watching…
    They know not to check, the last IT director is off on long term sick after he checked my search/browsing history.

    Introducing . . . Nonce Finance

    No, us neither.


    https://www.ft.com/content/43b00d73-8a76-494a-8b5f-87dcab406ea5

    And

    In cryptography, a nonce is an arbitrary number that can be used just once in a cryptographic communication. It is often a random or pseudo-random number issued in an authentication protocol to ensure that each communication session is unique, and therefore that old communications cannot be reused in replay attacks. Nonces can also be useful as initialization vectors and in cryptographic hash functions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_nonce
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,025

    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    Be sure to let us know when Wes Streeting resigns over an NHS scandal. The buck stops a few layers below the top, as President Truman used to say.
    Yes i did wonder about that.
    In particular the 'misled parliament' bit seems more innocuous to me than the many failings of Cressida Dick for instance before she ultimately went.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    Foss said:

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    I can certainly access the BBC overseas instance when connected through a non-uk endpoint. Porn is something you can try.
    The BBC stopped it for a few days, then appears to have relented. Whereas on sites like C4, and on some YouTube channels like t the News Agents, you're blocked if you try to use a VPN, even if set to the country where you are
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,455
    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    Streeting, Starmer and Mahmood can all f*** off. It's not their job to sack Chief Constables. There is a due process.

    WMP made the evidence fit the frame, and unfortunately the evidence was very faulty and Guildford personally delivered that faulty evidence. Does the buck stop with Mr Guildford? Quite probably. Should he fall? Probably.

    What is depressing is members of the current Cabinet as well as the Shadow Cabinet have framed this as anti-Israel/Jewish rather than as an operational safety issue. I suspect in the first instance the first consideration was for legitimate concerns over public safety. It then all got swept away in a tide of ethnic and geopolitics with a large side order of incompetence.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,320
    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Yeah, it's zealotry which is the common factor. That can be a major part of religion but political fundamentalism (fascism, communism etc) can be a cause too.

    It's also why closing down debates by insisting disagreement is a moral wrong or trying to take people down for using wrongspeak are major red flags that someone wants to win an argument not through reasoned intelligence and persuasion but by defining the rules of the game and red carding anyone who has the temerity to dissent.
    Pure selfishness, too. The only way you can live with taking people as slaves and selling them, is to dehumanise them in some way.
    Slightly OT, ahem, but I recently read Maurice's Strategikon, and I think it was the Slavs that were asserted to keep people as slaves, but to free them after a few years and either let them go home or stay and live as a free man.
    When I first started doing Latin, textbooks tended to treat ancient slavery as sort of okay, because it was not race-based. I remember the phrase “Laeti servi sunt”, “the slaves are happy”, along with a picture of good-humoured slaves going off to work the land.

    Then, one of my teachers gave a really gripping lesson about the realities of ancient slavery.
    Also important to remember that the lot of many 'free' ordinary peasants, in medieval times and later, nevertheless had many aspects that we would nowadays see as akin to slavery, such as being forbidden to leave their land
    Quite a lot of 19th century labour practices would be counted as Modern Slavery.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    I'm not convinced giving the Home Secretary the power to fire a Chief Constable is a good idea. There is an existing accountability and that's how it should be - simply sending more authority up to Ministers undermines local democracy - it's the sort of game Boris Johnson played when he took powers from Westminster and gave them to Ministers - have they been repatriated by Starmer, I'm going to say no?

    We have a PCC in the West Midlands - for now. That person was duly elected and ultimately it's their decision, rightly or wrongly.

    This whole business has been an example of ineptitude in extremis and the argument Guildford (the man, not the city) should be sacked is a powerful one given everything that has happened but that does not condone further Government intervention in the form of expanding the power of Ministers.

    What Mahmood is proposing, I believe, is analogous to what used to be the case in London when the Commissioner of the Met could only be hired and fired via the Home Secretary (until the coming of the Mayor).
    Actually, iirc what is being attempted closely parallels Boris firing the Commissioner. Technically, this was not in the Mayor's gift at the time but in practice, it made continuing in office untenable.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,285

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    Yes.

    I am one of the few employees at my firm that can access any website he likes.

    For research and investigation purposes, of course.

    I have actually watched porn on my work laptop and 26 inch monitor.

    I had to investigate somebody being very naughty.
    Don’t worry, the IT guy knows exactly what you’re watching…
    They know not to check, the last IT director is off on long term sick after he checked my search/browsing history.

    Introducing . . . Nonce Finance

    No, us neither.


    https://www.ft.com/content/43b00d73-8a76-494a-8b5f-87dcab406ea5

    And

    In cryptography, a nonce is an arbitrary number that can be used just once in a cryptographic communication. It is often a random or pseudo-random number issued in an authentication protocol to ensure that each communication session is unique, and therefore that old communications cannot be reused in replay attacks. Nonces can also be useful as initialization vectors and in cryptographic hash functions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_nonce
    Your IT guy knows a lot about nonces.

    It’s rather amusing when American cryptologists don’t understand the dual meaning.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,142

    Some better surprises/ revisions in GDP numbers:

    Economy rebounded on monthly figure in November - up 0.3%, and it turned out that it didn’t fall in September, after revisions…

    On 3 month figure - up slightly 0.1% but the negative number last month also revised away…

    Flattish but not negative/no recession.

    Nobody should get carried away on upside with these numbers, but plenty of doom mongers were getting carried away on the downside, and the evidence is that the slight negative numbers at the end of last year were flattish/ slightly up… unlikely now to get a negative number q4


    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/2011713807002050914

    It's still shit performance.

    Youre trying to sell mediocrity.

    Glitter and turds spring to mind
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,455
    ...
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    I'm not convinced giving the Home Secretary the power to fire a Chief Constable is a good idea. There is an existing accountability and that's how it should be - simply sending more authority up to Ministers undermines local democracy - it's the sort of game Boris Johnson played when he took powers from Westminster and gave them to Ministers - have they been repatriated by Starmer, I'm going to say no?

    We have a PCC in the West Midlands - for now. That person was duly elected and ultimately it's their decision, rightly or wrongly.

    This whole business has been an example of ineptitude in extremis and the argument Guildford (the man, not the city) should be sacked is a powerful one given everything that has happened but that does not condone further Government intervention in the form of expanding the power of Ministers.

    What Mahmood is proposing, I believe, is analogous to what used to be the case in London when the Commissioner of the Met could only be hired and fired via the Home Secretary (until the coming of the Mayor).
    Returning the hiring and firing of Chief Constables into the hands of say an extreme Government Home Secretary with Trumpian agendas looks to me like a bad idea.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    Worth a look, the long read in the Guardian profiling Adam Tooze:

    “My basic wager in interpreting modern history is to bias toward the thought that it might be unprecedented,” Tooze told me. “I’m interested in the way the present continuously breaks us. It challenges us. It does not, when you’re honest and serious about it, confirm what you know.” In The Deluge, his 2014 book about the legacy of the first world war, Tooze described the way early-20th-century world leaders confronted “the radical novelty” of a world in which the US economy was newly dominant. These days, Tooze spends most of his time tracking a dynamic that he believes is similarly unprecedented and consequential: the rise of China as an economic superpower.

    In Tooze’s view, what he calls the “radicalism of the present” keeps many people, including policymakers, from seeing the world as it actually is.


    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/jan/15/the-crisis-whisperer-how-adam-tooze-makes-sense-of-our-bewildering-age
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709

    Sandpit said:

    FPT: Bad day for Russia in Ukraine - 1150 men, 84 pieces of artillery no longer reporting for duty...

    Oh, and a record 8 MLRs.

    Four dodgy oil ships hit in the Black Sea as well.

    Russian deaths in the last couple of months are higher than the recruitment rate, their army is slowly but surely being dismantled.

    Have to LOL at Russians saying that there’s fewer of their tanks being destroyed. Da, it’s true, but only because they have almost no tanks left to field.
    But your man Trump is blaming Zelensky again for the war not ending.
    Sadly, as long as Putin and those around him are willing to feed the meat-grinder, Ukraine is not winning. Both sides are doing a reasonable job of isolating the war from most of their people.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,455

    Some better surprises/ revisions in GDP numbers:

    Economy rebounded on monthly figure in November - up 0.3%, and it turned out that it didn’t fall in September, after revisions…

    On 3 month figure - up slightly 0.1% but the negative number last month also revised away…

    Flattish but not negative/no recession.

    Nobody should get carried away on upside with these numbers, but plenty of doom mongers were getting carried away on the downside, and the evidence is that the slight negative numbers at the end of last year were flattish/ slightly up… unlikely now to get a negative number q4


    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/2011713807002050914

    It's still shit performance.

    Youre trying to sell mediocrity.

    Glitter and turds spring to mind
    As PB Tories, we often found consolation in revised figures.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,117
    algarkirk said:

    The complexities of Iran, which make it unique, though comparable to Greece, Rome, Judea etc.

    1) It has a continuous and ancient culture and a history of conquering and being conquered
    2) It had a unique and interesting ancient religion (which clings on for a few)
    3) It is Islamic, middle eastern and (while ethnically very mixed) definitely not Arab
    4) Its ethnic and language roots are Indo European, not semitic
    5) While the language is Indo European, its script is Arabic
    6) Its cultural history is glorious and continuous
    7) Its version of Islam is followed only by about 10% of Muslims, and it is the only large shia country
    8) For shia and sunni relationships don't think about UK ecumenism, compare it with 16th century RC v protestant relations
    9) Iranians are proud and educated
    10) The west is profoundly ignorant of Iranian history. For example, In how many universities in the UK can you study the Elamites compared with the number you can study ancient Greece and Rome or ancient Judea?

    Would add.
    It isn't Iraq.
    It is the size of California, Texas and Montana combined. About the same as Alaska.
    With vast deserts and inaccessible mountain ranges.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,709

    Some better surprises/ revisions in GDP numbers:

    Economy rebounded on monthly figure in November - up 0.3%, and it turned out that it didn’t fall in September, after revisions…

    On 3 month figure - up slightly 0.1% but the negative number last month also revised away…

    Flattish but not negative/no recession.

    Nobody should get carried away on upside with these numbers, but plenty of doom mongers were getting carried away on the downside, and the evidence is that the slight negative numbers at the end of last year were flattish/ slightly up… unlikely now to get a negative number q4


    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/2011713807002050914

    It's still shit performance.

    Youre trying to sell mediocrity.

    Glitter and turds spring to mind
    The question for those who would bet on politics is what the country will look like after another three years of slow progress towards the sunlit uplands. Will we go to the polls in 2029 with a slightly bigger economy, slightly shorter waiting lists, slightly lower crime rates, and will that be enough to return a Labour government with a slightly smaller majority?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,142

    Some better surprises/ revisions in GDP numbers:

    Economy rebounded on monthly figure in November - up 0.3%, and it turned out that it didn’t fall in September, after revisions…

    On 3 month figure - up slightly 0.1% but the negative number last month also revised away…

    Flattish but not negative/no recession.

    Nobody should get carried away on upside with these numbers, but plenty of doom mongers were getting carried away on the downside, and the evidence is that the slight negative numbers at the end of last year were flattish/ slightly up… unlikely now to get a negative number q4


    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/2011713807002050914

    It's still shit performance.

    Youre trying to sell mediocrity.

    Glitter and turds spring to mind
    As PB Tories, we often found consolation in revised figures.
    Good for you, but the revisions here are simply rounding errors, Our growth should be substantially higher but Rancid Rachel kills off growth at source.

    Totally useless.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,203
    Foss said:

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    I can certainly access the BBC overseas instance when connected through a non-uk endpoint. Porn is something you can try.
    I'm thinking of a change of career. How much do they pay?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,293
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    IanB2 said:

    Huzzah, a victory for Blighty and Starmer.

    Elon Musk backs down in row over Grok AI undressing tool

    The X platform said it had imposed restrictions on editing images, after Keir Starmer threatened legal action against the chatbot


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/grok-ai-x-chatgpt-ai-images-elon-musk-8cwwldb7l

    Within the comment on this piece was a statement about X/Grok obeying local (i.e. country) laws - is this going to be another case where the law is made impotent if you have a VPN?
    Why do people have VPNs? (Rhetorical)
    To access information that they cannot do from their existing location. Reasons for doing so range from innocent ones like accessing a work server from home, through minor crimes like accessing TV shows outside their country, to accessing vile criminal activity whilst bypassing local restrictions.
    And for security in accessing work systems. Almost everyone WFH and logging into remote systems should be using a VPN, even though they might not realise that is what they are doing.
    Does that mean you can access adult content when WFH?

    (Asking for a friend.)
    Yes.

    I am one of the few employees at my firm that can access any website he likes.

    For research and investigation purposes, of course.

    I have actually watched porn on my work laptop and 26 inch monitor.

    I had to investigate somebody being very naughty.
    Don’t worry, the IT guy knows exactly what you’re watching…
    You're another user of Ihadtoinvestigatesomebodybeingverynaughty.com ?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,354
    edited 9:56AM
    Did he mean that to ‘only’ notch up twelve was incompetence?

    Boris Johnson and his Government has lurched from crisis to crisis and U-turn to U-turn.

    To correct one error, even two, might make sense.

    But when they've notched up 12 U-turns and rising, the only conclusion is serial incompetence


    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1301257157011218441?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
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