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  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,499
    I wonder what the net flow of voters is that will go blue to purple in jenrick’s slipstream, versus NOTA back to blue.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437
    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Indeed. Race and culture are also used. They don't look like us and eat like us, so they aren't properly human.
    Especially if their skin colour is different.
    Ironically, in ww2 the Nazis were largely unconcerned with skin colour whereas the Americans were segregated along racial lines.
    Probably more accurate to say that skin colour was a secondary racial issue for the Nazis. They banned Jazz (Negermusik) because of its black and Jewish elements, a perfect synthesis of degeneracy for those lads.
    Mind you, Alfred Einstein described jazz as "the most disgusting treason against all civilized music" in the '20s, and he was German-Jewish...
    What would he make of neo-grime?
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 937

    I'm no Tory. But if I were, I'd be delighted to be rid of the poisonous toad Jenrick.

    Be beautiful to see him destroy Reform next, his mere presence should infect them with some sort of contagious disease.

    Mind you I've had a sniff down to 50 on him as next PM as a trading bet.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,572
    Apparently the 'incriminating evidence' he left lying around was a printed copy of his resignation speech


  • FossFoss Posts: 2,255

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Indeed. Race and culture are also used. They don't look like us and eat like us, so they aren't properly human.
    Especially if their skin colour is different.
    Ironically, in ww2 the Nazis were largely unconcerned with skin colour whereas the Americans were segregated along racial lines.
    Probably more accurate to say that skin colour was a secondary racial issue for the Nazis. They banned Jazz (Negermusik) because of its black and Jewish elements, a perfect synthesis of degeneracy for those lads.
    Mind you, Alfred Einstein described jazz as "the most disgusting treason against all civilized music" in the '20s, and he was German-Jewish...
    What would he make of neo-grime?
    'So Albert, this group is known as Laibach...'
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,572
    @davidtwilcock.bsky.social‬

    Nigel Farage currently doing a pretty poor job of denying Jenrick had done a deal to join Reform, at a press conference in Scotland.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,064
    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently the 'incriminating evidence' he left lying around was a printed copy of his resignation speech


    This found document story is clearly toss. Bro has had his shit hacked. KB seems like the type who'd read her underlings e-mail and trawl through their OneDrive.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,231
    One other thought.

    I'm sure that Kemi has Energetic Bob bang-to-rights here and has a watertight case against him. After all, she never makes gaffes.

    It will be really awkward if she doesn't.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,791
    Kemi Badenoch sacking Jenrick and kicking him out of the party is excellent news and good on her

    She certainly is the one to watch in 2026

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,791

    I'm no Tory. But if I were, I'd be delighted to be rid of the poisonous toad Jenrick.

    I am and I am
    I am and I am
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,835
    edited 11:44AM
    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently the 'incriminating evidence' he left lying around was a printed copy of his resignation speech

    Jenrick can't even manage his own defection competently, and yet he thinks Britain ought to trust him with helping to run the country.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 937

    It will be really awkward if she doesn't.

    No one will believe a thing he says anyway, even if it's completely nonsense.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,647

    NEW THREAD

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,899
    New thread.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,437
    moonshine said:

    I wonder what the net flow of voters is that will go blue to purple in jenrick’s slipstream, versus NOTA back to blue.

    Haven't the blue to purple ones mostly gone already?

    And there will be some ex Labour Reformists who wont like the Tory incomers. The Reform shadow cabinet will soon be 2019 Boris cabinet with Nige instead of Bozo.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,095

    ...

    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@Steven_Swinford

    Wes Streeting says he is ‘horrified’ that Craig Guildford, the chief Constable of West Midlands Police, is still in post and that ‘anyone with integrity would resign’

    He tells TimesRadio that the fact he has failed to do so is a ‘stain on his character’ and says he will be ‘horrified’ if he is still in place by the end of the day"

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2011706974447063307

    I'm not convinced giving the Home Secretary the power to fire a Chief Constable is a good idea. There is an existing accountability and that's how it should be - simply sending more authority up to Ministers undermines local democracy - it's the sort of game Boris Johnson played when he took powers from Westminster and gave them to Ministers - have they been repatriated by Starmer, I'm going to say no?

    We have a PCC in the West Midlands - for now. That person was duly elected and ultimately it's their decision, rightly or wrongly.

    This whole business has been an example of ineptitude in extremis and the argument Guildford (the man, not the city) should be sacked is a powerful one given everything that has happened but that does not condone further Government intervention in the form of expanding the power of Ministers.

    What Mahmood is proposing, I believe, is analogous to what used to be the case in London when the Commissioner of the Met could only be hired and fired via the Home Secretary (until the coming of the Mayor).
    Returning the hiring and firing of Chief Constables into the hands of say an extreme Government Home Secretary with Trumpian agendas looks to me like a bad idea.
    Appointing Chief Constables according to their ability instead of their compliance with woke agendas and their willingness to comply with the wishes of pressure groups would help in the future. There must be a sensible middle option between Chief Constable Savage and Chief Constable Woke Agenda.
    Chief Constable Savage *is* Chief Constable Woke Agenda.

    He is just saying the words to advance his career.

    Under a Reform Government, he’ll round up the Muslamics with equal cheer and vigor.

    This is why you need people in public office with a moral centre. Rather than a wall of shelves (paid for by the tax payer) of abstract looking awards for “achievements”.
    His record on policing is actually good, West Midlands has improved from utterly useless to almost OK under his leadership.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/14/what-did-west-midlands-police-chief-get-wrong-in-decision-to-ban-maccabi-fans#:~:text=As part of any process,emergency calls, has vastly improved.

    Using copilot for something important, that could have been done easily and accurately by a human, is unacceptable though and highlights one of the real dangers of AI is the laziness of senior managers.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,307
    Assuming Jenrick does indeed join Reform, it will be interesting to see how Farage copes with having another enormous ego on board. I foresee ructions between Farage, Jenrick, Tice and Yusuf in due course.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,241

    Kemi Badenoch sacking Jenrick and kicking him out of the party is excellent news and good on her

    She certainly is the one to watch in 2026

    Yes we can watch her concession speech
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    Reduces the chance of a Ref/Con deal or merger, I'd suggest?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,894
    Foss said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Indeed. Race and culture are also used. They don't look like us and eat like us, so they aren't properly human.
    Especially if their skin colour is different.
    Ironically, in ww2 the Nazis were largely unconcerned with skin colour whereas the Americans were segregated along racial lines.
    Probably more accurate to say that skin colour was a secondary racial issue for the Nazis. They banned Jazz (Negermusik) because of its black and Jewish elements, a perfect synthesis of degeneracy for those lads.
    Mind you, Alfred Einstein described jazz as "the most disgusting treason against all civilized music" in the '20s, and he was German-Jewish...
    What would he make of neo-grime?
    'So Albert, this group is known as Laibach...'
    Alfred. Albert was maybe, or maybe not, a cousin. A quantum cousin, I guess you could call it.
  • IanB2 said:

    Foss said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    Iran is yet another example of people being murdered in the name of religion. Since time immemorial, religion has been the cause of most deaths. This won’t change until all religions are entirely abolished.

    For a counter argument, though the anti religion case is so thin it is hardly needed,


    https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/#:~:text=Steven Pinker has provided his,reviewed 2011 book, Better Angels.


    As humanists remind us and need reminding, humans cause wars.
    It is fundamentalists that are the problem, whether religious, communists or nationalists. But religion does make fundamentalism more likely, and therefore war more likely.
    War requires the dehumanisation of your enemy so that your soldiers are able to kill them without guilt. Religion can aid dehumanisation by allowing you to portray the enemy as unbelievers and therefore not properly human. You are not murdering; you are doing God's work.
    Religion can certainly be used to dehumanise others. But plenty of non-religious causes of dehumanisation exist.
    Indeed. Race and culture are also used. They don't look like us and eat like us, so they aren't properly human.
    Especially if their skin colour is different.
    Ironically, in ww2 the Nazis were largely unconcerned with skin colour whereas the Americans were segregated along racial lines.
    Probably more accurate to say that skin colour was a secondary racial issue for the Nazis. They banned Jazz (Negermusik) because of its black and Jewish elements, a perfect synthesis of degeneracy for those lads.
    Mind you, Alfred Einstein described jazz as "the most disgusting treason against all civilized music" in the '20s, and he was German-Jewish...
    What would he make of neo-grime?
    'So Albert, this group is known as Laibach...'
    Alfred. Albert was maybe, or maybe not, a cousin. A quantum cousin, I guess you could call it.
    Vague relativity.
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