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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,592

    Had my catalytic converter nicked from the work car park yesterday. Will be well over 2 grand to replace (most of which will be covered by insurance, but not all). And the Police cannot be bothered to do anything.

    The online report took ages filling in all the gender and ethnicity and hate crime questions.

    What a state we are in.

    Bet if I said some hurty words to the 'right' person on X I'd get some police action...

    If you said some hurty words to the actual right person you might get a cctv camera installed in the car park.
    There is but probably 100 yards away or more.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,669
    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Had my catalytic converter nicked from the work car park yesterday. Will be well over 2 grand to replace (most of which will be covered by insurance, but not all). And the Police cannot be bothered to do anything.

    The online report took ages filling in all the gender and ethnicity and hate crime questions.

    What a state we are in.

    Bet if I said some hurty words to the 'right' person on X I'd get some police action...

    I wonder if their enthusiasm for such things is because they are easy to investigate and prove. A lot of crime is neither.
    Though you would have thought that thefts of items with tracking devices would have been a win for the police - if theres one stolen item at a location, there will probably me more.

    Instead, they are quite aggressive about telling you not to go to the location yourself - are refuse to go themselves.
    You would have thought that if there's a tracker, there woukd be evidence for a warrant and they can all turn up mob handed. I remember when my local Bobby apologised for how many balaclava'd officers in black turned up for the drugs raid on my upstairs neighbours. We put out the call, he said, and were surprised how many people turned up. I thought the police liked doing that sort of thing?
    It is very bad for perception of crime - happens a lot with bike theft. Trackers are increasing common in bikes.

    Know several people who’ve had their bikes stolen, saw the tracker was active and tried the police. In no case did the police want to do anything.
    The problem for the police is an intelligence-led investigation is objectively much more effective than burning police time on investigated individual thefts via CCTV etc.

    E.g. they reckon this gang was processing 40% of all phone snatches: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo

    With conventional bikes I reckon it's much less organised, particularly as the resale value is so low. We think we know which warehouse the £3k e-bikes end up in though - but unfortunately the police still consider them a toy rather than an essential form of transport like a car.
    To be fair that is something that should change when the Crime and Policing Bill 2025 is passed.

    "create new powers for the police to enter and search premises to which stolen goods have been electronically geolocation tracked, where it is not practicable to obtain a warrant, empowering officers to quickly investigate theft and tackle prolific offenders in these cases. The new power will also enable police lawfully on those premises to seize stolen goods and evidence of theft offences."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/crime-and-policing-bill-2025-factsheets/crime-and-policing-bill-police-powers-factsheet
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,114
    glw said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Had my catalytic converter nicked from the work car park yesterday. Will be well over 2 grand to replace (most of which will be covered by insurance, but not all). And the Police cannot be bothered to do anything.

    The online report took ages filling in all the gender and ethnicity and hate crime questions.

    What a state we are in.

    Bet if I said some hurty words to the 'right' person on X I'd get some police action...

    I wonder if their enthusiasm for such things is because they are easy to investigate and prove. A lot of crime is neither.
    Though you would have thought that thefts of items with tracking devices would have been a win for the police - if theres one stolen item at a location, there will probably me more.

    Instead, they are quite aggressive about telling you not to go to the location yourself - are refuse to go themselves.
    You would have thought that if there's a tracker, there woukd be evidence for a warrant and they can all turn up mob handed. I remember when my local Bobby apologised for how many balaclava'd officers in black turned up for the drugs raid on my upstairs neighbours. We put out the call, he said, and were surprised how many people turned up. I thought the police liked doing that sort of thing?
    It is very bad for perception of crime - happens a lot with bike theft. Trackers are increasing common in bikes.

    Know several people who’ve had their bikes stolen, saw the tracker was active and tried the police. In no case did the police want to do anything.
    The problem for the police is an intelligence-led investigation is objectively much more effective than burning police time on investigated individual thefts via CCTV etc.

    E.g. they reckon this gang was processing 40% of all phone snatches: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo

    With conventional bikes I reckon it's much less organised, particularly as the resale value is so low. We think we know which warehouse the £3k e-bikes end up in though - but unfortunately the police still consider them a toy rather than an essential form of transport like a car.
    To be fair that is something that should change when the Crime and Policing Bill 2025 is passed.

    "create new powers for the police to enter and search premises to which stolen goods have been electronically geolocation tracked, where it is not practicable to obtain a warrant, empowering officers to quickly investigate theft and tackle prolific offenders in these cases. The new power will also enable police lawfully on those premises to seize stolen goods and evidence of theft offences."

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/crime-and-policing-bill-2025-factsheets/crime-and-policing-bill-police-powers-factsheet
    E&W only :(. I'm not sure whether they already have that kind of power in Scotland.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,817
    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Had my catalytic converter nicked from the work car park yesterday. Will be well over 2 grand to replace (most of which will be covered by insurance, but not all). And the Police cannot be bothered to do anything.

    The online report took ages filling in all the gender and ethnicity and hate crime questions.

    What a state we are in.

    Bet if I said some hurty words to the 'right' person on X I'd get some police action...

    I wonder if their enthusiasm for such things is because they are easy to investigate and prove. A lot of crime is neither.
    Though you would have thought that thefts of items with tracking devices would have been a win for the police - if theres one stolen item at a location, there will probably me more.

    Instead, they are quite aggressive about telling you not to go to the location yourself - are refuse to go themselves.
    You would have thought that if there's a tracker, there woukd be evidence for a warrant and they can all turn up mob handed. I remember when my local Bobby apologised for how many balaclava'd officers in black turned up for the drugs raid on my upstairs neighbours. We put out the call, he said, and were surprised how many people turned up. I thought the police liked doing that sort of thing?
    It is very bad for perception of crime - happens a lot with bike theft. Trackers are increasing common in bikes.

    Know several people who’ve had their bikes stolen, saw the tracker was active and tried the police. In no case did the police want to do anything.
    The problem for the police is an intelligence-led investigation is objectively much more effective than burning police time on investigated individual thefts via CCTV etc.

    E.g. they reckon this gang was processing 40% of all phone snatches: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo

    With conventional bikes I reckon it's much less organised, particularly as the resale value is so low. We think we know which warehouse the £3k e-bikes end up in though - but unfortunately the police still consider them a toy rather than an essential form of transport like a car.
    If you're not prepared to folliw up an individual theft from a tracker, at least you should record it and plot it on a map. That sounds to me like "intelligence".

    It's almost as if the police don't want to piss off the local ne'er-do-wells.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,682
    edited 2:39PM
    Scottish Budget incoming:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0lxn7e7rlpt#player

    (Apologies to The Real North *, if I am not up to speed on this.)

    * Or, as they call it on road signs in Lerwick, the South.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,002

    Roger said:

    Talking about the BBC (which no one was) Victoria Derbyshire is now about as good as they've got. I've only seen her on Newsnight but she's very impressive. Last night Matthew Syed was lauding Trump as he does and his excellent performance in taking out Maduro without a single death. "What about the 50 Cubans?" She asked. "Don't they count?"

    I couldn't bear Derbyshire on 5Live all those years ago. The BBC always looked to be attempting to find a home for her over confident incompetence. Then they gave her Newsnight, which very much annoyed me, and lo and behold she was a revelation.
    On the 1pm News we had an incredibly sarcastic Chris Mason talking about the LibDems latest policy on the NHS. Sarcastic and patronising about the LibDems not being in the public eye; got me shouting at the TV that if he and his colleagues didn't spend all their time cosying up to Farage they might find that there are other parties.
    Farage's looks means all broadcasters have toad his line.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,406

    Roger said:

    Talking about the BBC (which no one was) Victoria Derbyshire is now about as good as they've got. I've only seen her on Newsnight but she's very impressive. Last night Matthew Syed was lauding Trump as he does and his excellent performance in taking out Maduro without a single death. "What about the 50 Cubans?" She asked. "Don't they count?"

    I couldn't bear Derbyshire on 5Live all those years ago. The BBC always looked to be attempting to find a home for her over confident incompetence. Then they gave her Newsnight, which very much annoyed me, and lo and behold she was a revelation.
    On the 1pm News we had an incredibly sarcastic Chris Mason talking about the LibDems latest policy on the NHS. Sarcastic and patronising about the LibDems not being in the public eye; got me shouting at the TV that if he and his colleagues didn't spend all their time cosying up to Farage they might find that there are other parties.
    Mason came out of nowhere after Kuenssberg was pushed sideways. His eulogising Farage after the Reform Conference really was something to behold. He was not even the best internal candidate for the job. He's no John Cole.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,671
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    ...
    Sixty Symbols tests AI's physics skills by marking a quantum mechanics exam. A second-year undergraduate exam is uploaded to ChatGPT, which provides solutions surprisingly quickly. The resulting answers are then graded, raising questions about AI's role in education.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQPAZP7-sE
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,224
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Talking about the BBC (which no one was) Victoria Derbyshire is now about as good as they've got. I've only seen her on Newsnight but she's very impressive. Last night Matthew Syed was lauding Trump as he does and his excellent performance in taking out Maduro without a single death. "What about the 50 Cubans?" She asked. "Don't they count?"

    I couldn't bear Derbyshire on 5Live all those years ago. The BBC always looked to be attempting to find a home for her over confident incompetence. Then they gave her Newsnight, which very much annoyed me, and lo and behold she was a revelation.
    On the 1pm News we had an incredibly sarcastic Chris Mason talking about the LibDems latest policy on the NHS. Sarcastic and patronising about the LibDems not being in the public eye; got me shouting at the TV that if he and his colleagues didn't spend all their time cosying up to Farage they might find that there are other parties.
    Farage's looks means all broadcasters have toad his line.
    Bufo bufo buffoon.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,682

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,817
    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,002
    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225
    edited 2:55PM
    Now suggestions that at least two dodgy tankers got droned on their way to Novorossiysk.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2011076063804129317

    The only sanctions the Russians understand, and also the only sanctions their ‘partners’ and suppliers understand. No-one is insuring anything bigger than a rubber dinghy in the Black Sea at the moment.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,233
    Trump says to Iranians “help is on its way”…
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,002

    Trump says to Iranians “help is on its way”…

    The Ayatollahs seem to be doing far too well even without his help.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,032
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Bognor.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,002
    boulay said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Bognor.
    creamed in Cromer.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,192
    boulay said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Bognor.
    Bolloxed in Bradford
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,264
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,528
    edited 3:01PM
    I assumed this would set PB alight:

    "New Birmingham-Manchester rail link to be proposed

    On Wednesday, the government is also expected to confirm proposals for new and improved rail links across the North of England in a scheme known as Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR)"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75xrwlw5n2o
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,002

    boulay said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Bognor.
    Bolloxed in Bradford
    Obliterated in Openshaw.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,002

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
    TMI...

    Will he be Wilted in Wiltshire?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225
    3rd source for the Bella 1 cargo story.

    https://x.com/bricktop_nafo/status/2011033951670771942

    They’re all all slightly different though, and from normally reliable accounts but with no obvious primary source.

    Do we really know who’s briefing these independent journalists covering the war?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,264
    edited 3:04PM
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
    TMI...

    Will he be Wilted in Wiltshire?
    I doubt it. All of the farmers I speak to love him

    Edit: they might be able swindle a win in Swindon
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
    You can apply by marriage, or if you have exceptional talent.

    You can also apply for long-term (10y) residency if you can support yourself and your family.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,817

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
    Hampshire have apparently requested that the local elections are *not* postponed for another year, so that is quite likely.

    Also that the reorganisation is put back a year as they are not ready for it yet and likely to really fuck it up. (The council resolution didn't quite say that, but I can read between the lines).

    In contrast, Surrey has already decided to be split into East and West, but that is probably down to "shit, if we agree something quickly we might get away with Woking"
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,895

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
    You’re surely not criticising the traditional social mores of First Dubians?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,213
    edited 3:11PM
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    They're out of sorts in Sunderland
    And terribly cross in Kent.
    They're dull in Hull,
    And the Isle of Mull
    Is seething with discontent.
    They're nervous in Northumberland,
    And Devon is down the drain.
    They're filled with wrath
    On the firth of Forth
    And sullen on Salisbury Plain.


    Given that at least part of Salisbury Plan is in Danny Kruger's patch, that's picking out far more bits of Reform territory than is comfortable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,837

    Roger said:

    Talking about the BBC (which no one was) Victoria Derbyshire is now about as good as they've got. I've only seen her on Newsnight but she's very impressive. Last night Matthew Syed was lauding Trump as he does and his excellent performance in taking out Maduro without a single death. "What about the 50 Cubans?" She asked. "Don't they count?"

    I couldn't bear Derbyshire on 5Live all those years ago. The BBC always looked to be attempting to find a home for her over confident incompetence….
    A career in politics clearly beckoned?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,817
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
    You can apply by marriage, or if you have exceptional talent.

    You can also apply for long-term (10y) residency if you can support yourself and your family.
    So an ethnocentric state that is run for the locals, and ruled by an hereditary ruler's fiat. With, I presume, sharia. Never quite been sure what your interest is in politics, although I'm sure it pays well and I might be tempted for a year or two to line my pockets before going somewhere more, er, liberal.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,528
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Sexy gilts news today! 🫦

    Strongest demand seen for a gilt auction since DMO records began in 1998.

    Britain sold £900 million of an index-linked gilt due in 2035 and received orders worth £4.333 billion - the highest such ratio (4.81) seen in at least 27 years.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3mcceh5ke6c2q

    Gilts booming. Equities booming. Nothing to do with Rachel Reeves of course. Only bad things are down to her.
    What happened to the IMF btw?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,264

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
    TMI...

    Will he be Wilted in Wiltshire?
    I doubt it. All of the farmers I speak to love him

    Edit: they might be able swindle a win in Swindon
    They should get crushed in Crudwell, and trounced in Trowbridge
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225
    edited 3:22PM

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
    You can apply by marriage, or if you have exceptional talent.

    You can also apply for long-term (10y) residency if you can support yourself and your family.
    First prize, 10 year residency in Dubai.

    Second prize, 20 year residency in Dubai.
    Okay that gets a like, I pick up my second prize this year!

    For most people out here it’s just a job like any other, except that the rubbish weather’s in the summer and the good weather in the winter. Just had my parents out for a month over Christmas and New Year.

    Unless you’re in quite specific jobs the pay isn’t necessarily massive, but there’s no personal income tax and a lot of 20s use a few years abroad to defer their student loans - but then spend all their cash on fancy hotel brunches and don’t save anything like the house deposit they wanted.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,675
    FPT:

    "And you know who else came to power by getting a plurailty of voters?"

    Well, here's a start for the post WW II US presidential elections:

    Trump (2024 and 2016)
    Bush (2000)
    Clinton (1992 and 1996)
    Nixon (1968)
    Kennedy (1960) *
    Truman (1948)

    In all of those elections, the winner received less than 50 percent of the popular vote.

    * Kennedy may have received fewer popular votes than Nixon, though I see no way to determine that, thanks to the odd situation in Alabama, where some Democratic electors were "unpledged".
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,445
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
    You can apply by marriage, or if you have exceptional talent.

    You can also apply for long-term (10y) residency if you can support yourself and your family.
    First prize, 10 year residency in Dubai.

    Second prize, 20 year residency in Dubai.
    Okay that gets a like, I pick up my second prize this year!

    For most people out here it’s just a job like any other, except that the rubbish weather’s in the summer and the good weather in the winter. Just had my parents out for a month over Christmas and New Year.

    Unless you’re in quite specific jobs the pay isn’t necessarily massive, but there’s no personal income tax and a lot of 20s use a few years abroad to defer their student loans - but then spend all their cash on fancy hotel brunches and don’t save anything like the house deposit they wanted.
    The husband of one of my nieces took a finance job in Dubai upwards of 20 years ago now, and they spent, I think, 12 or so years there. They came back to UK because of the children; they weren't keen on the secondary education available.
    She's now working in the Foreign (etc) Office; not sure what he does, but they've a very nice house in Wimbledon.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225
    RIP Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert office cartoons.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,258
    edited 3:33PM
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Sexy gilts news today! 🫦

    Strongest demand seen for a gilt auction since DMO records began in 1998.

    Britain sold £900 million of an index-linked gilt due in 2035 and received orders worth £4.333 billion - the highest such ratio (4.81) seen in at least 27 years.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3mcceh5ke6c2q

    Gilts booming. Equities booming. Nothing to do with Rachel Reeves of course. Only bad things are down to her.
    It's index linked. If you think that interest rates are coming down and inflation going up, and you want safety, it's an offer of free stable money for 9 years. Might that be part of the interest in the gilt sale?

    If Reeves were really successful we would by now be reducing government debt not increasing it by flogging free money for the tax payer to fund the coupon.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,909
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @bruceandy.bsky.social‬

    Sexy gilts news today! 🫦

    Strongest demand seen for a gilt auction since DMO records began in 1998.

    Britain sold £900 million of an index-linked gilt due in 2035 and received orders worth £4.333 billion - the highest such ratio (4.81) seen in at least 27 years.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bruceandy.bsky.social/post/3mcceh5ke6c2q

    Gilts booming. Equities booming. Nothing to do with Rachel Reeves of course. Only bad things are down to her.
    So how is the booming FTSE down to Reeves ?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,245
    Better than buying a home for 'investment'. So if there are all these people desperate for a home why are house sales flat and those that do sell may sell at a loss.

    London homeowners more likely to sell at a loss than any others in the UK

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-15449095/London-homeowners-likely-sell-loss-UK.html
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,283
    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    I think the word you are looking for is "serfs"
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 535

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
    TMI...

    Will he be Wilted in Wiltshire?
    I doubt it. All of the farmers I speak to love him

    Edit: they might be able swindle a win in Swindon
    They should get crushed in Crudwell, and trounced in Trowbridge
    Maybe this could be a question in Ben Pointer's much anticipated 2026 PB Quiz - Exactly how many local authorities will have elections in May 2026 ? (Exactly right answers =10 points, one either way 5 points.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,837

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
    TMI...

    Will he be Wilted in Wiltshire?
    I doubt it. All of the farmers I speak to love him

    Edit: they might be able swindle a win in Swindon
    They should get crushed in Crudwell, and trounced in Trowbridge
    Maybe this could be a question in Ben Pointer's much anticipated 2026 PB Quiz - Exactly how many local authorities will have elections in May 2026 ? (Exactly right answers =10 points, one either way 5 points.)
    Most of them have already decided whether to ask, or not, by now (and certainly by the time the quiz is set) and those who've asked will be granted. The only mystery is whether any that have not asked will be postponed nevertheless - I'd expect not, as the point of the government asking was to duck the blame for the outcome in the first place.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,306
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,837
    edited 3:48PM
    LBC: Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump has called on Iranians to "keep protesting" and vowed that "help is its way". [sic]

    Mr Trump wrote on Truth Social: "Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!! Save the names of the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price. I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials until the senseless killing of protesters STOPS. HELP IS ON ITS WAY. MIGA!!! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"

    British spelling, too
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,016
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Buckley

    Shat on in Sheffield

    Rogered in Rugby

    Peed on in Peterborough

    Fucked in Fulham?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,224
    edited 3:50PM

    I assumed this would set PB alight:

    "New Birmingham-Manchester rail link to be proposed

    On Wednesday, the government is also expected to confirm proposals for new and improved rail links across the North of England in a scheme known as Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR)"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75xrwlw5n2o

    Is this another scheme they're going to look at for a few years before deciding to cancel it ?

    "A scheme known as Northern Powerhouse Rail" ? How original.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,445
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
    Interesting thoughts.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,592
    IanB2 said:

    LBC: Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump has called on Iranians to "keep protesting" and vowed that "help is its way". [sic]

    Mr Trump wrote on Truth Social: "Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!! Save the names of the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price. I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials until the senseless killing of protesters STOPS. HELP IS ON ITS WAY. MIGA!!! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"

    British spelling, too

    British spelling of what?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,406
    Sandpit said:

    RIP Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert office cartoons.

    An enormous Trumpster. Did you find his work remotely funny?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,599
    Sandpit said:

    RIP Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert office cartoons.

    Can't believe he ended up supporting Trump. He was a troubled man IMHO.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,283

    Sandpit said:

    RIP Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert office cartoons.

    An enormous Trumpster. Did you find his work remotely funny?
    I found his work hysterically funny. I found his politics repellent. It's almost like people are complex. :(
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,224
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
    The entire case is absurd (or would be if the potential for serious judicial malfeasance weren't now a regular part of US litigation).
    The BBC's request for dismissal includes other grounds, just in case.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,669

    Trump says to Iranians “help is on its way”…

    I see from his morning ranting that he still doesn't understand what asylum is. He's promising retribution against Minnesotans for the crime of protesting ICE murdering one of their fellow citizens.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,592
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
    The entire case is absurd (or would be if the potential for serious judicial malfeasance weren't now a regular part of US litigation).
    The BBC's request for dismissal includes other grounds, just in case.
    It is absurd, but its the BBC's fault that they opened themselves up to it too. We all despise Trump (I think). We all believe the sentiments that the BBC edited it to look like were correct (he wanted the Capitol Riot). But they played fast and loose and shouldn't have done.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225

    Sandpit said:

    RIP Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert office cartoons.

    An enormous Trumpster. Did you find his work remotely funny?
    Yes, it’s possible to find someone’s work good while disagreeing with their personal politics.

    We should all do more of that.

    RIP.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,306
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
    The entire case is absurd (or would be if the potential for serious judicial malfeasance weren't now a regular part of US litigation).
    The BBC's request for dismissal includes other grounds, just in case.
    Yes, but for me it is jurisdiction that is the key. The argument that he has not set out any evidence of loss, for example, is very difficult for a court to definitively determine at this stage. Similarly, the argument that the documentary as a whole was fair and balanced involves a value judgment that the court will be reluctant to make at this point. We shall see.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,264
    Those PBers who want Begum back should be hugely encouraged by the successes of Attorney General Hermer’s dodgiest clients. How much compensation do we think that wicked woman will be awarded?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,302

    Sandpit said:

    RIP Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert office cartoons.

    An enormous Trumpster. Did you find his work remotely funny?
    It had a wide reach for a long time, even if had heard he'd gone a bit loopy
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,909
    Cool in Goole
    Dry in rye
    Topping in Wapping
    In Lissingdown take an Umbrella
  • eekeek Posts: 32,265

    Those PBers who want Begum back should be hugely encouraged by the successes of Attorney General Hermer’s dodgiest clients. How much compensation do we think that wicked woman will be awarded?

    Currently we haven’t let her be tortured in Guantanamo bay so I don’t think it’s likely to be an issue.

    But she is our problem and we should be dealing with her not trying to offload our mess on to Bangladesh
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,302

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
    The entire case is absurd (or would be if the potential for serious judicial malfeasance weren't now a regular part of US litigation).
    The BBC's request for dismissal includes other grounds, just in case.
    It is absurd, but its the BBC's fault that they opened themselves up to it too. We all despise Trump (I think). We all believe the sentiments that the BBC edited it to look like were correct (he wanted the Capitol Riot). But they played fast and loose and shouldn't have done.
    It's not their fault if the retaliatory action is absurd. Other consequences would be their fault, but not that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
    You can apply by marriage, or if you have exceptional talent.

    You can also apply for long-term (10y) residency if you can support yourself and your family.
    So an ethnocentric state that is run for the locals, and ruled by an hereditary ruler's fiat. With, I presume, sharia. Never quite been sure what your interest is in politics, although I'm sure it pays well and I might be tempted for a year or two to line my pockets before going somewhere more, er, liberal.
    < devils_advocate > Should the UK not be run primarily for the benefit of the UK citizens? < / devils_advocate >
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,139
    edited 4:05PM
    IanB2 said:

    LBC: Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump has called on Iranians to "keep protesting" and vowed that "help is its way". [sic]

    Mr Trump wrote on Truth Social: "Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!! Save the names of the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price. I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials until the senseless killing of protesters STOPS. HELP IS ON ITS WAY. MIGA!!! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"

    British spelling, too

    "I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials" hardly strikes me as Churchillian rhetoric. Perhaps people being encouraged to risk their lives would be justified in hoping for something a little more incisive.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,302
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
    The entire case is absurd (or would be if the potential for serious judicial malfeasance weren't now a regular part of US litigation).
    The BBC's request for dismissal includes other grounds, just in case.
    Yes, but for me it is jurisdiction that is the key. The argument that he has not set out any evidence of loss, for example, is very difficult for a court to definitively determine at this stage. Similarly, the argument that the documentary as a whole was fair and balanced involves a value judgment that the court will be reluctant to make at this point. We shall see.
    He only wants to drag things out as much as he can, an actual win would be extra. So anything that can get by preliminary stages to start costing real money is key.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,225
    Okay, so we’re now up to four dodgy oil tankers attacked in the Black Sea.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2011101471052312647

    This could be about to start getting fun.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,406
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    RIP Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert office cartoons.

    An enormous Trumpster. Did you find his work remotely funny?
    Yes, it’s possible to find someone’s work good while disagreeing with their personal politics.

    We should all do more of that.

    RIP.
    I didn't really get Dilbert long before Adams's personal white supremacist ramblings.

    I used to like Steve Bell's If. No other PBers approved, so it's probably me.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,487
    Zahawi recruitment to Reform going down like cold sick on X. Think the Tories (Not Starmer, noone likes him) will have the lead back in a poll soon.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,591

    NEW THREAD

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,224
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Some good news at last. The BBC are going to defend their case against Trump

    More accurately, they're going to try and get it dismissed so that they don't have to defend it.
    Filing for a dismissal is the first step in a defence against a bogus lawsuit.
    You still have to present at least a partial case against the claim to show why it should be dismissed.
    In this country (by which I mean Scotland) you would have a plea, ante omnia forum non conveniens, that is before everything this court is not a suitable court for the issue. The basis of jurisdiction that I saw in the claim was that someone (unnamed) in Florida might have watched the documentary illegally using a VPN. Trump will have the chance to expand the basis of jurisdiction but it is very difficult to think what he might say that would give a Floridian court jurisdiction over something shown in the UK to which Floridians had no legal access.

    I raised this when the action was first lodged. The American justice system has been deeply corrupted by Trump's appointees but this is international private law and the rules apply (subject to any agreements) the world over. The consequences of the American courts seizing jurisdiction on some spurious ground might include the non recognition of such judgments around the world.
    The entire case is absurd (or would be if the potential for serious judicial malfeasance weren't now a regular part of US litigation).
    The BBC's request for dismissal includes other grounds, just in case.
    Yes, but for me it is jurisdiction that is the key. The argument that he has not set out any evidence of loss, for example, is very difficult for a court to definitively determine at this stage. Similarly, the argument that the documentary as a whole was fair and balanced involves a value judgment that the court will be reluctant to make at this point. We shall see.
    I'm not sure the latter bit is true given the very high bar for libel cases against public individuals in the US.
    Trump has to show evidence of malice, not that the programme wasn't "fair and balanced", and unless he's claiming defamation "per se", then it ought to be impossible to show damage, given that half of the US media (and half of the electorate) were firmly and publicly convinced that he incited the riot, long before the Newsnight program aired in another jurisdiction.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,137
    edited 4:12PM
    Fishing said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Buckley

    Shat on in Sheffield

    Rogered in Rugby

    Peed on in Peterborough

    Fucked in Fulham?
    Mangled in Manchester

    Licked in Liverpool

    Checked-out in Cheshire
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,837
    Chris said:

    IanB2 said:

    LBC: Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump has called on Iranians to "keep protesting" and vowed that "help is its way". [sic]

    Mr Trump wrote on Truth Social: "Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!! Save the names of the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price. I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials until the senseless killing of protesters STOPS. HELP IS ON ITS WAY. MIGA!!! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"

    British spelling, too

    "I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials" hardly strikes me as Churchillian rhetoric. Perhaps people being encouraged to risk their lives would be justified in hoping for something a little more incisive.
    Either Trump's tweet is the most irresponsible bluster with nothing behind it, or he's about to get his Israeli friends to go bomb some government installations in Iran?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,189

    I know I bore on about aesthetics but this is just objectively shit.



    https://x.com/DoWCTO/status/2010826442725056648?s=20

    Giving Tony "Demon Eyes" Blair some work?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,151

    Fishing said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Buckley

    Shat on in Sheffield

    Rogered in Rugby

    Peed on in Peterborough

    Fucked in Fulham?
    Mangled in Manchester

    Licked in Liverpool

    Checked-out in Cheshire
    Stumped in Stoke

    Harpooned in Haverfordwest
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,245
    IanB2 said:

    Chris said:

    IanB2 said:

    LBC: Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump has called on Iranians to "keep protesting" and vowed that "help is its way". [sic]

    Mr Trump wrote on Truth Social: "Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!! Save the names of the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price. I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials until the senseless killing of protesters STOPS. HELP IS ON ITS WAY. MIGA!!! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"

    British spelling, too

    "I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials" hardly strikes me as Churchillian rhetoric. Perhaps people being encouraged to risk their lives would be justified in hoping for something a little more incisive.
    Either Trump's tweet is the most irresponsible bluster with nothing behind it, or he's about to get his Israeli friends to go bomb some government installations in Iran?
    Isn't the Don-Roe doctrine that the Eastern Hemisphere is the responsibility of 'allies'. So Russia is Europe's problem and Iran is Israel's problem. Netanyahu is likely working out the cash cost for him or a side promise of more bits of Syria,
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,682

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    I’d go for Humped in Hampshire
    TMI...

    Will he be Wilted in Wiltshire?
    I doubt it. All of the farmers I speak to love him

    Edit: they might be able swindle a win in Swindon
    They should get crushed in Crudwell, and trounced in Trowbridge
    Maybe this could be a question in Ben Pointer's much anticipated 2026 PB Quiz - Exactly how many local authorities will have elections in May 2026 ? (Exactly right answers =10 points, one either way 5 points.)
    @Benpointer

    I think we also want one about total seats held by each party, including perhaps Advance UK - who may get some defections. In Nottingham we have a "Nottingham People's Alliance", whatever that is. I suspect it's Fruit and Nut fellow travellers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,837

    Fishing said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Buckley

    Shat on in Sheffield

    Rogered in Rugby

    Peed on in Peterborough

    Fucked in Fulham?
    Mangled in Manchester

    Licked in Liverpool

    Checked-out in Cheshire
    Stumped in Stoke

    Harpooned in Haverfordwest
    Whipped on Wight
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,837
    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    Chris said:

    IanB2 said:

    LBC: Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump has called on Iranians to "keep protesting" and vowed that "help is its way". [sic]

    Mr Trump wrote on Truth Social: "Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!! Save the names of the killers and abusers. They will pay a big price. I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials until the senseless killing of protesters STOPS. HELP IS ON ITS WAY. MIGA!!! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP"

    British spelling, too

    "I have cancelled all meetings with Iranian Officials" hardly strikes me as Churchillian rhetoric. Perhaps people being encouraged to risk their lives would be justified in hoping for something a little more incisive.
    Either Trump's tweet is the most irresponsible bluster with nothing behind it, or he's about to get his Israeli friends to go bomb some government installations in Iran?
    Isn't the Don-Roe doctrine that the Eastern Hemisphere is the responsibility of 'allies'. So Russia is Europe's problem and Iran is Israel's problem. Netanyahu is likely working out the cash cost for him or a side promise of more bits of Syria,
    I’d think Israel already owes the US a fair few favours
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,076

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sarah Sultana MP:

    While Iranians are stuffed into body bags by the regime there, please remember that the bad guys are the US, UK, and of course Israel.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/2010800541274948037

    That is not a fair summary of what Sultana said. Her tweet begins:

    "The images of body bags leave no doubt about the brutality of Iran’s repression, and a communications blackout is indefensible."
    It goes downhill after that.
    It does, but it's nothing as bad as Sandpit's summary. I have little respect for Sultana, but let's be fair to what she actually said.
    It’s hardly my fault she’s tone deaf, is getting monstered and ratioed in her own comments.

    I’m not an MP, I’m just an idiot with a keyboard about a hundred miles from Iran.
    You’re not having Dubai-ers remorse, I trust?
    I presume he's happy living in an ethno-theocratic autocracy. Or at any rate, he has his price.
    One of the most ethnically and nationally diverse places in the whole world.

    I worked here for an hotel chain that employed staff of 190 nationalities.
    None of which are allowed to apply for citizenship
    But how hard would it be for them to rise up and take over the country by force?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,308
    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour facing the wipeout in Wales, the slaughter in Scotland, and the, er, extinguishing in England?

    Technically sl- doesn't alliterate with sc-. Scotched in Scotland? Shat on in Scotland? (historically sh- was sc-). But any vowel alliterates with any other (as technically they all start with a glottal stop in English)
    Scorched.
    Scunnered in Scotland.
    Stepmommed in Scotland.
    Normalled in Norfolk.
    Wiped out in Worcestershire.

    Losers in Lancashire.

    Exterminated in Exeter.

    Hammered in Hampshire.
    Buggered in Buckley

    Shat on in Sheffield

    Rogered in Rugby

    Peed on in Peterborough

    Fucked in Fulham?
    Mangled in Manchester

    Licked in Liverpool

    Checked-out in Cheshire
    Stumped in Stoke

    Harpooned in Haverfordwest
    Whipped on Wight
    That would be whipped in Whippingham.
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