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Ed Davey is the choice of the voters to be PM after the next election – politicalbetting.com

Which potential coalitions have the most support from Britons?LD + Lab, Davey PM: 36% supportLab + Grn, Starmer PM: 33%Lab + LD, Starmer PM: 31%Grn + Lab, Polanski PM: 30%Ref + Con, Farage PM: 29%LD + Con, Davey PM: 26%Con + Ref, Badenoch PM: 25%yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,228
    It's a stunt.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,516
    edited January 9
    Premier! Not like Farage, it seems.

    Edit: Just like Farage!
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,577
    Yeah ... no. Sorry to say I don't fancy any of them much.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,386
    So was Charles Kennedy.

    And if we had a presidential system he would've led the government.

    But we don't. And he didn't.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,516
    Davey is the least unpopular PM prospect... rings true to me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,554
    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,248
    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,186

    Davey is the least unpopular PM prospect... rings true to me.

    Still pretty unpopular, though, in a historic context.

    Hard to see who can do much about that. Saying "politicians should be better" is just passing the buck.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    Iran is 3.5h *ahead* of you.

    Current time in Teheran is 11:30.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,577
    It's understandable that people don't like coalitions. FPTP has made it unusual for there to be any delay in forming a government after a GE. We aren't accustomed to the inevitable bargaining over policies or the length of time it takes. We expect to know the day after.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,577

    Davey is the least unpopular PM prospect... rings true to me.

    Still pretty unpopular, though, in a historic context.

    Hard to see who can do much about that. Saying "politicians should be better" is just passing the buck.
    Yes; all the candidates come from the population. Want better candidates? Be better oneself.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,669
    The wisdom of crowds. Ed Davey would be a good Prime Minister, sensible and commpassionate, moderate on the finances.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,554
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783
    edited January 9
    AnneJGP said:

    It's understandable that people don't like coalitions. FPTP has made it unusual for there to be any delay in forming a government after a GE. We aren't accustomed to the inevitable bargaining over policies or the length of time it takes. We expect to know the day after.

    The one thing worth considering from the American system is the forward date for politicians' taking office. OK, they do it so the new guys can sack all the staff and stuff the offices with all their own partisan crowd, which we wouldn't want to do - but having some time between election and office would both resolve the issue you raise, and give the incoming government some time to work out what it wants to do, and how it will go about it. Labour being dropped straight in at the deep end in July 2024 has hardly turned out well, has it?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,099
    He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783
    edited January 9
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us* so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    *ahead of us
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,099

    So was Charles Kennedy.

    And if we had a presidential system he would've led the government.

    But we don't. And he didn't.

    I doubt he would have done even if we had.

    All PMs have to take tough choices on public money, foreign policy, social policy and immigration- and I could see the LDs rapidly falling foul of all of those.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    You flatter yourself.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,463

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    Perhaps the Ayatollah himself could lead them in the centre of Tehran. He could give a homily against rebellion - would go down nice, I think.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    If you’ve ever sat through a 2h high Catholic Mass…
  • eekeek Posts: 32,248

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    If a week of snow is enough to ake a noticeable impact the UK we have big problems.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157
    I would be more than happy for Labour to be in coalition with an environmentalist party. Sadly the 'Green' Party doesn't fulfil that role.

    If the LibDems could put a stop to Labour's 'build houses everywhere' policy, then I'd be happy to have them on board.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,463
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    If you’ve ever sat through a 2h high Catholic Mass…
    Grim childhood memories. I always hated Good Friday for that reason.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,577

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    Sermons vary in length, so that's 15 mins plus 10 mins, or plus 30 mins, or plus 1hr or .....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,554
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    If you’ve ever sat through a 2h high Catholic Mass…
    I have.

    I've been to a Catholic wedding once or twice, where the parents/grandparents were very religious but the bride and groom weren't.

    Absolute high point was her grandmother telling her she was in for a special night under the assumption her granddaughter was a virgin. I exercised huge amounts of self control to not burst out laughing.

    I've enjoyed Jewish weddings too, have another one soon.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,936

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    Good snowstorm improves efficiency of Sheffield-Manchester transport links shocker.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    A positive impact on GDP. Folk will have to get on with their work while WFH, rather than spending half the day chatting with colleagues and being unable to focus due to the extremely loud person who spends all day on Teams calls.
  • He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.

    In an ideal world the LDs would say which party they would be prepared to support in government before the election then they would be completely done away with as 2015.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    Foxy said:

    The wisdom of crowds. Ed Davey would be a good Prime Minister, sensible and commpassionate, moderate on the finances.

    He’d treat the US administration like it was a sub postmaster with a dodgy till.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,464
    IanB2 said:

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    You flatter yourself.
    Hardly the first time
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,554
    edited January 9
    FWIW my Persian friends are worried, the phone lines and internet were cut last night.

    In the past when this happens the regime starts to get violent.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    The wisdom of crowds. Ed Davey would be a good Prime Minister, sensible and commpassionate, moderate on the finances.

    He’d treat the US administration like it was a sub postmaster with a dodgy till.
    That’s a little harsh on sub postmasters.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,099

    He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.

    In an ideal world the LDs would say which party they would be prepared to support in government before the election then they would be completely done away with as 2015.
    There's a conflicting mix of dissatisfied people who are projecting onto the LDs that they share their beliefs and are on their side.

    This is what leads to the higher polling; it survives only as long as they're not in the spotlight.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,099
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    The wisdom of crowds. Ed Davey would be a good Prime Minister, sensible and commpassionate, moderate on the finances.

    He’d treat the US administration like it was a sub postmaster with a dodgy till.
    Except he wouldn't.

    If he was PM geopolitical reality would mean he'd need to act much more differently than a tertiary opposition politician.

    Look at Lammy.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,577
    IanB2 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    It's understandable that people don't like coalitions. FPTP has made it unusual for there to be any delay in forming a government after a GE. We aren't accustomed to the inevitable bargaining over policies or the length of time it takes. We expect to know the day after.

    The one thing worth considering from the American system is the forward date for politicians' taking office. OK, they do it so the new guys can sack all the staff and stuff the offices with all their own partisan crowd, which we wouldn't want to do - but having some time between election and office would both resolve the issue you raise, and give the incoming government some time to work out what it wants to do, and how it will go about it. Labour being dropped straight in at the deep end in July 2024 has hardly turned out well, has it?
    Seems to me that the general expectation in the UK is for parties to work out what & how before the GE so they can tell us what we're voting for. Labour's ming vase strategy was actually telling us they had no idea but we mostly supposed they just didn't want to frighten off floating voters.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176



    Yes, I know I'm going to hell.

    The Scottish gritters all have names:

    https://x.com/catherinemmunro/status/1997940687900225954
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783

    He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.

    In an ideal world the LDs would say which party they would be prepared to support in government before the election then they would be completely done away with as 2015.
    There's a conflicting mix of dissatisfied people who are projecting onto the LDs that they share their beliefs and are on their side.

    This is what leads to the higher polling; it survives only as long as they're not in the spotlight.
    Labour and Tory have always been propped up by a shedload of support that came their way, not motivated by shared policy or beliefs, but simply from fear of the other. Very many British voters have always voted negatively, a tendency amplified by our voting system. That rationale, of voting against the major party you fear, is on its way to being broken - although it would take a GE where neither major party polls well to break it entirely.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,766
    Reassuring. If Id been asked my first priority would be keeping Farage out with any combination of support and my second would be keeping out Baddenoch with Reform support. I'm glad that Yougov are finally asking the right questions. Of course people don't like Starmer but nothing concentrates the mind better than looking at the alternative.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,841
    AnneJGP said:

    Yeah ... no. Sorry to say I don't fancy any of them much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    Fair enough. What do you think of them as potential PMs? :tongue:
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,565

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    Lamenting Manchester's persistent non-snowiness, I asked Chatgpt earlier thise week what the snowiest of the big cities in the UK were. Naturally Sheffield was first, followed by Newcastle, Edinburgh and Leeds (I forget in which order), but to my surprise Manchester was 5th.
    But aside from Sheffield, our big cities are not very snowy.
    Moving on, I asked where to live if I wanted to maximise snow but be within reach of a big city - the Peak District comes out top, followed by the Tyne Valley, the Calder Valley and Stirling.

    I'm slightly surprised the south east doesn't feature at all, given the fuss made on the news when it snows in Kent or somewhere.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Roger said:

    Reassuring. If Id been asked my first priority would be keeping Farage out with any combination of support and my second would be keeping out Baddenoch with Reform support. I'm glad that Yougov are finally asking the right questions. Of course people don't like Starmer but nothing concentrates the mind better than looking at the alternative.

    Who are your favourites for the Golden Globes?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,087
    Perhaps more interesting that 50% of current LD voters would be happy with a Lab/Green coalition that excluded the LDs
    I thought this type of supposition polling has very low credibility :smiley:
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,783
    edited January 9
    Meanwhile, in local news, the North Carolina Corn Snake, which had been roaming loose on the island, has survived the spell of cold weather and has been recovered, given a health check at my local vet's and is now recovering at Monkey Haven. Speculation is that it might be an unwanted Xmas gift that someone has turned loose.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,857

    He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.

    In an ideal world the LDs would say which party they would be prepared to support in government before the election then they would be completely done away with as 2015.
    There's a conflicting mix of dissatisfied people who are projecting onto the LDs that they share their beliefs and are on their side.

    This is what leads to the higher polling; it survives only as long as they're not in the spotlight.
    I see the Conservative Friends of Ed Davey are up and about early this morning....

    Of course, Ed comes over as a "decent bloke" but that's a long way from being Prime Minister and indeed you could argue someone with a tough, mean streak is probably better equipped but given the ragtag and bobtail of Conservatives we had for a decade and a half, that's probably a slightly unfair call.

    As to which way the Liberal Democrats (and the Conservatives) will "jump" after the next election, who knows and to be honest at this stage who cares? Kemi Badenoch will find, I suspect, equidistance will serve her well in the short to medium term but does she really want her party to be seen as the enabler for a Reform Government any more than the LDs wanting to be seen as an enabler for a second term Labour administration?

    Three years off an election (in all probability), such questions don't need to and indeed can't easily be answered.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,841

    He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.

    In an ideal world the LDs would say which party they would be prepared to support in government before the election then they would be completely done away with as 2015.
    There's a conflicting mix of dissatisfied people who are projecting onto the LDs that they share their beliefs and are on their side.

    This is what leads to the higher polling; it survives only as long as they're not in the spotlight.
    LD -> Reform typo there? :wink:

    Seriously though, I think that was very true in 2010 and before. Less so now, partly because there's no way LDs would prop up a Bandenoch Con government. They'd be a socially more liberal and maybe slightly more fiscally dry partner to Labour.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,439
    Have we had the 'Climate warming is a hoax, just look out of my window - there's six inches of snow" Tweets yet?

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,225

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    If you’ve ever sat through a 2h high Catholic Mass…
    Grim childhood memories. I always hated Good Friday for that reason.
    Mass not celebrated on Good Friday. It's, IIRC, the only day it isn't. Up to three hours are spent on other stuff. For me it is the single day when it is most significant to spend time in church. This act of pure duration is an act of solidarity with right against wrong on a day when it didn't seem to work. It's the most up to date and relevant day in the church year.

  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,841

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    A positive impact on GDP. Folk will have to get on with their work while WFH, rather than spending half the day chatting with colleagues and being unable to focus due to the extremely loud person who spends all day on Teams calls.
    In my new office, there's a row of 'phone booths' down one wall - bar stool and little shelf for laptop, closed door - and the protocol is that if you're speaking more than minimally on a call you go in one of those.

    Can't have cost a lot and is very sensible, both for other users and for the person on the call.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,631
    edited January 9
    AnneJGP said:

    It's understandable that people don't like coalitions. FPTP has made it unusual for there to be any delay in forming a government after a GE. We aren't accustomed to the inevitable bargaining over policies or the length of time it takes. We expect to know the day after.

    We expect to have voted for one set of policies or another, not to have politicians carve them up after the election over the fabled beer and sandwiches in smoke-filled rooms. This is why the coalition-era LibDems were hammered by the electorate – in 2010, Nick Clegg had ditched everything the party had campaigned for.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Starmer for the community note, again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2009174530779172891

    Seriously, who’s running No.10 comms?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,891
    But of course we have FPTP so we'll get Farage, possibly on a stonking majority.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,577
    Selebian said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Yeah ... no. Sorry to say I don't fancy any of them much.

    Good morning, everybody.

    Fair enough. What do you think of them as potential PMs? :tongue:
    I'll have you know I am not a cradle-snatcher!
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    Reassuring. If Id been asked my first priority would be keeping Farage out with any combination of support and my second would be keeping out Baddenoch with Reform support. I'm glad that Yougov are finally asking the right questions. Of course people don't like Starmer but nothing concentrates the mind better than looking at the alternative.

    Who are your favourites for the Golden Globes?
    Sydney Sweeney 👍
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    Have we had the 'Climate warming is a hoax, just look out of my window - there's six inches of snow" Tweets yet?

    No, but after Dale ‘we don’t get snow anymore’ Vince I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few.

    https://x.com/markhiggie1/status/2008571388425273491?s=61
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,529
    edited January 9
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer for the community note, again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2009174530779172891

    Seriously, who’s running No.10 comms?

    What is all this “I won’t apologise” stuff in aid of? Is it supposed to look tough? It just comes across as prickly, unnecessarily belligerent (who are you talking like that to, the voters!?) and a bit prissy.

    Maybe it would land better for someone else but you can’t help reading it in Starmer’s tone of voice and then.. god.

    Why do the comms team persist in highlighting Starmer’s very worst presentational traits? It’s bizarre.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    Had to curtail my morning jog today, due to a sleet shower making it a pain. No show overnight, about 4 degrees,

    Off to Playa Bianca tomorrow.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    Reassuring. If Id been asked my first priority would be keeping Farage out with any combination of support and my second would be keeping out Baddenoch with Reform support. I'm glad that Yougov are finally asking the right questions. Of course people don't like Starmer but nothing concentrates the mind better than looking at the alternative.

    Who are your favourites for the Golden Globes?
    Sydney Sweeney 👍
    I can think of a pair of reasons to like her.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,857
    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    I still cannot believe why the whole UK media attention is not right now totally focussed on events unfolding in Iran as the main story outside the UK?! It has been a total failure of their news coverage over the last week and more importantly the last pivotal 24 hours as events unfolded and the Iranian Regime shut down the internet, telephone lines and cut off electricity as the growing civil unrest led to huge crowds taking to the streets of towns and cities right across Iran last night. A complete failure by the UK news channels which left anyone following events having to rely on social media for immediate updates on what was happening there!

    This is an incredible serious foreign story that has huge implications for the Middle East if the brutal Regime in Iran is finally on the cusp of falling, but only last night did we see some of our news channels finally start reporting on it briefly!
    I'd argue the overnight storm is big domestic news and quite clearly there are problems in several areas.

    I'm not quite sure what it is you want - absent on-the-ground coverage, yes, all you have today is social media but we also know a lot of social media is about misinformation or disinformation. I've read this morning that apparently all the crowds want the Shah back - really? I find that hard to believe - I appreciate there's no love for the theocracy but the Pavlavi regime wasn't exactly a byword for freedom for those politically opposed though I appreciate women did a lot better in terms of freedom.

    Is it for the BBC (unlike some news organisations who seem to have no problem if such views reflect their politics) to report misinformation simply for something to report or should it wait until such information can be properly verified before its dissemination?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,503

    Have we had the 'Climate warming is a hoax, just look out of my window - there's six inches of snow" Tweets yet?

    Andrew Neil has been fighting them off this morning
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    A website for people to check if, prior to the latest climbdown, their local is fucked

    The local to us we like to walk to in the summer and have a bite and drink is totally fucked. 400% increase in rateable value. The flat roof pub on the estate next to ours is okay !

    https://www.ismypubfucked.com/

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,386
    Nigelb said:

    stodge said:

    He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.

    In an ideal world the LDs would say which party they would be prepared to support in government before the election then they would be completely done away with as 2015.
    There's a conflicting mix of dissatisfied people who are projecting onto the LDs that they share their beliefs and are on their side.

    This is what leads to the higher polling; it survives only as long as they're not in the spotlight.
    I see the Conservative Friends of Ed Davey are up and about early this morning....

    Of course, Ed comes over as a "decent bloke" but that's a long way from being Prime Minister and indeed you could argue someone with a tough, mean streak is probably better equipped but given the ragtag and bobtail of Conservatives we had for a decade and a half, that's probably a slightly unfair call.

    As to which way the Liberal Democrats (and the Conservatives) will "jump" after the next election, who knows and to be honest at this stage who cares? Kemi Badenoch will find, I suspect, equidistance will serve her well in the short to medium term but does she really want her party to be seen as the enabler for a Reform Government any more than the LDs wanting to be seen as an enabler for a second term Labour administration?

    Three years off an election (in all probability), such questions don't need to and indeed can't easily be answered.
    If nothing else, he is at least absolutely clear on what a completely untrustworthy POS the current occupant of the White House is.
    Which makes him far more reliable on foreign policy than Starmer, Badenoch, or the mini-MAGA Farage.
    Suddenly occurred to me that Trump is like a blend of a Romulan, a Ferengi, and a moron.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,326
    edited January 9
    Interesting from @georgeeaton on what might be driving the Tory stabilisation/partial recovery in today’s Morning Call. Features some work we did looking at parties people would consider as well as their main VI which suggests the Tories ceiling has grown.




    https://x.com/luketryl/status/2009232428037230916?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    Reassuring. If Id been asked my first priority would be keeping Farage out with any combination of support and my second would be keeping out Baddenoch with Reform support. I'm glad that Yougov are finally asking the right questions. Of course people don't like Starmer but nothing concentrates the mind better than looking at the alternative.

    Who are your favourites for the Golden Globes?
    Sydney Sweeney 👍
    I can think of a pair of reasons to like her.
    👍👍👍👍

    My Twitter feed was full of pics of her for a while. Nice.
  • FWIW my Persian friends are worried, the phone lines and internet were cut last night.

    In the past when this happens the regime starts to get violent.

    The amount of pain in a callous moment is so disproportionate it doesn’t bear thinking about.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    stodge said:

    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    I still cannot believe why the whole UK media attention is not right now totally focussed on events unfolding in Iran as the main story outside the UK?! It has been a total failure of their news coverage over the last week and more importantly the last pivotal 24 hours as events unfolded and the Iranian Regime shut down the internet, telephone lines and cut off electricity as the growing civil unrest led to huge crowds taking to the streets of towns and cities right across Iran last night. A complete failure by the UK news channels which left anyone following events having to rely on social media for immediate updates on what was happening there!

    This is an incredible serious foreign story that has huge implications for the Middle East if the brutal Regime in Iran is finally on the cusp of falling, but only last night did we see some of our news channels finally start reporting on it briefly!
    I'd argue the overnight storm is big domestic news and quite clearly there are problems in several areas.

    I'm not quite sure what it is you want - absent on-the-ground coverage, yes, all you have today is social media but we also know a lot of social media is about misinformation or disinformation. I've read this morning that apparently all the crowds want the Shah back - really? I find that hard to believe - I appreciate there's no love for the theocracy but the Pavlavi regime wasn't exactly a byword for freedom for those politically opposed though I appreciate women did a lot better in terms of freedom.

    Is it for the BBC (unlike some news organisations who seem to have no problem if such views reflect their politics) to report misinformation simply for something to report or should it wait until such information can be properly verified before its dissemination?

    The storm is big news and should take prominence. Iran does deserve more coverage.

    GMB News just covered Iran and did so quite fairly, they did ‘both sides’ it but that’s a change from some coverage, like the Guardian, who seem to be pro Mullah.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,225
    FF43 said:

    But of course we have FPTP so we'll get Farage, possibly on a stonking majority.

    Long way to go yet. One possible trajectory is done by asking the question, often raised here already, What sort of election will it be? and suppose for a moment the next election's unofficial slogan will be both: Reform v Not Reform but also Anyone But Labour. These contrary thoughts are already in place.

    The possibilities for this are interesting. Who gains?

    In 100 possible LD seats, the LDs score. In Scotland and Wales the nats score. In Green territory the Greens. In a handful of special cases some version of Jezbollah scores. In Clacton etc Reform are unstoppable; in Bootle etc Labour are unstoppable.

    Everywhere else? Tories score. By then it is 5 years since the wipeout. Memories fade. IMO This is Kemi's strategy.

    Take Cumbria (except Farron's seat) as a tiny and simple model. In 2019 all five were Tory. In 2024 all five are Labour. Now, all projected to go Reform. The 'anyone but Labour' + 'most are anti-Reform' = Tory resurgence.

    This is not a prediction, but it is one of the plausible models for the next three years.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    .
    stodge said:

    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    I still cannot believe why the whole UK media attention is not right now totally focussed on events unfolding in Iran as the main story outside the UK?! It has been a total failure of their news coverage over the last week and more importantly the last pivotal 24 hours as events unfolded and the Iranian Regime shut down the internet, telephone lines and cut off electricity as the growing civil unrest led to huge crowds taking to the streets of towns and cities right across Iran last night. A complete failure by the UK news channels which left anyone following events having to rely on social media for immediate updates on what was happening there!

    This is an incredible serious foreign story that has huge implications for the Middle East if the brutal Regime in Iran is finally on the cusp of falling, but only last night did we see some of our news channels finally start reporting on it briefly!
    I'd argue the overnight storm is big domestic news and quite clearly there are problems in several areas.

    I'm not quite sure what it is you want - absent on-the-ground coverage, yes, all you have today is social media but we also know a lot of social media is about misinformation or disinformation. I've read this morning that apparently all the crowds want the Shah back - really? I find that hard to believe - I appreciate there's no love for the theocracy but the Pavlavi regime wasn't exactly a byword for freedom for those politically opposed though I appreciate women did a lot better in terms of freedom.

    Is it for the BBC (unlike some news organisations who seem to have no problem if such views reflect their politics) to report misinformation simply for something to report or should it wait until such information can be properly verified before its dissemination?
    I'm also unclear what it is that fitalass expects of them.
    Their reports last night and this morning said pretty well what she just said. Plus interviews with those with knowledge of the country.

    Since no one has reporters in the country, it's hard to see what detail they can add until events develop further.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,439
    "The Russian war economy is running on fumes."

    " “Russia is losing,” write William Dixon and Maksym Beznosiuk in a commentary for the Royal United Services Institute. "

    " “The Russian railways are a microcosm of a much broader economic contraction and incipient collapse. They are massively in debt and are being hammered by a shrinking industrial base that looks increasingly like the prelude to a major depression,” said Jeff Hawn, from the London School of Economics. "

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/01/09/trump-narcotic-charades-obscure-simple-way-to-break-putin/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,891
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer for the community note, again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2009174530779172891

    Seriously, who’s running No.10 comms?

    Seriously I would challenge why No 10 is doing any comms at all on X. Grok running completely wild on that thread.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    Neighbors just released a new angle of the ICE shooting and it settles any debate on what actually happened.

    This was a mother doing something completely ordinary: Dropping somebody off, then trying to leave. She goes to pull out, stops for one car to pass, then waves the agents to drive past. Within seconds, those ICE agents exit their vehicle and rush her, shouting and escalating the situation. Panicked, she tries to drive away and gets shot in the face three times.

    She posed no threat, showed no intent to harm, and was interfering with no one. She was a civilian going about her life. The official statements that followed contradict the footage and read like an attempt to rewrite what happened.

    This was a reckless, unjustified killing, followed by a dishonest effort to evade responsibility. It’s horrifying, and it exposes something deeply wrong with the US government and these ICE agents. They must be held accountable.

    https://x.com/GinoTheGhost/status/2009525021665034702
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Nigelb said:

    .

    stodge said:

    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    I still cannot believe why the whole UK media attention is not right now totally focussed on events unfolding in Iran as the main story outside the UK?! It has been a total failure of their news coverage over the last week and more importantly the last pivotal 24 hours as events unfolded and the Iranian Regime shut down the internet, telephone lines and cut off electricity as the growing civil unrest led to huge crowds taking to the streets of towns and cities right across Iran last night. A complete failure by the UK news channels which left anyone following events having to rely on social media for immediate updates on what was happening there!

    This is an incredible serious foreign story that has huge implications for the Middle East if the brutal Regime in Iran is finally on the cusp of falling, but only last night did we see some of our news channels finally start reporting on it briefly!
    I'd argue the overnight storm is big domestic news and quite clearly there are problems in several areas.

    I'm not quite sure what it is you want - absent on-the-ground coverage, yes, all you have today is social media but we also know a lot of social media is about misinformation or disinformation. I've read this morning that apparently all the crowds want the Shah back - really? I find that hard to believe - I appreciate there's no love for the theocracy but the Pavlavi regime wasn't exactly a byword for freedom for those politically opposed though I appreciate women did a lot better in terms of freedom.

    Is it for the BBC (unlike some news organisations who seem to have no problem if such views reflect their politics) to report misinformation simply for something to report or should it wait until such information can be properly verified before its dissemination?
    I'm also unclear what it is that fitalass expects of them.
    Their reports last night and this morning said pretty well what she just said. Plus interviews with those with knowledge of the country.

    Since no one has reporters in the country, it's hard to see what detail they can add until events develop further.
    The problem is the contrast with Gaza, where there were also no Western journalists, but the BBC and other news sites carried what was clearly Hamas propoganda daily for two years.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,641
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    If you’ve ever sat through a 2h high Catholic Mass…
    Polish guy who worked as a subcontractor for me died two or three years ago. The Catholic funeral service conducted entirely in a mixture of Polish and Latin was quite the experience.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,107
    edited January 9
    Taz said:

    A website for people to check if, prior to the latest climbdown, their local is fucked

    The local to us we like to walk to in the summer and have a bite and drink is totally fucked. 400% increase in rateable value. The flat roof pub on the estate next to ours is okay !

    https://www.ismypubfucked.com/

    That's a great site. I had a look at a pub that I frequent in Cumbria. It has repeatedly gone out of business because the brewery smashes the rent up whenever someone makes a decent go of it. It's in a great location and should be a viable business.

    Rateable value is going up by +250%, I guess because it's picked up the rent that the brewery charges when they are squeezing the pips. System is broken.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,216
    Taz said:

    A website for people to check if, prior to the latest climbdown, their local is fucked

    The local to us we like to walk to in the summer and have a bite and drink is totally fucked. 400% increase in rateable value. The flat roof pub on the estate next to ours is okay !

    https://www.ismypubfucked.com/

    Huh, a bunch of pubs I frequent don't show up on there. I suspect that's a bad thing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    FWIW my Persian friends are worried, the phone lines and internet were cut last night.

    In the past when this happens the regime starts to get violent.

    The amount of pain in a callous moment is so disproportionate it doesn’t bear thinking about.
    My barber is Iranian. I saw him yesterday for a cut. He’s organising an anti regime demo in the toon on Saturday.

    His family are in the North. They’ve not been protesting but are planning too. The feeling is ‘fuck it, if not now when’. He’s also very pro Trump and Israel which surprised me,

    If the Mullahs fall I’ve been promised a free cut as only a few of his customers bother to ask. I wouldn’t take it as it’s his livelihood and pays his bills but I would have a large JD.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    A website for people to check if, prior to the latest climbdown, their local is fucked

    The local to us we like to walk to in the summer and have a bite and drink is totally fucked. 400% increase in rateable value. The flat roof pub on the estate next to ours is okay !

    https://www.ismypubfucked.com/

    Huh, a bunch of pubs I frequent don't show up on there. I suspect that's a bad thing.
    What surprised me was some have small decreases.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,107
    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer for the community note, again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2009174530779172891

    Seriously, who’s running No.10 comms?

    Seriously I would challenge why No 10 is doing any comms at all on X. Grok running completely wild on that thread.
    It's just AI crap and blue-tick bots spouting misinformation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,107
    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    A website for people to check if, prior to the latest climbdown, their local is fucked

    The local to us we like to walk to in the summer and have a bite and drink is totally fucked. 400% increase in rateable value. The flat roof pub on the estate next to ours is okay !

    https://www.ismypubfucked.com/

    Huh, a bunch of pubs I frequent don't show up on there. I suspect that's a bad thing.
    It's quite tricky to do pub analysis given the data available. I've previously tried to do cycling/walking analysis around them (e.g. population within 15 minutes) but couldn't be bothered scraping the data required.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    stodge said:

    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    I still cannot believe why the whole UK media attention is not right now totally focussed on events unfolding in Iran as the main story outside the UK?! It has been a total failure of their news coverage over the last week and more importantly the last pivotal 24 hours as events unfolded and the Iranian Regime shut down the internet, telephone lines and cut off electricity as the growing civil unrest led to huge crowds taking to the streets of towns and cities right across Iran last night. A complete failure by the UK news channels which left anyone following events having to rely on social media for immediate updates on what was happening there!

    This is an incredible serious foreign story that has huge implications for the Middle East if the brutal Regime in Iran is finally on the cusp of falling, but only last night did we see some of our news channels finally start reporting on it briefly!
    I'd argue the overnight storm is big domestic news and quite clearly there are problems in several areas.

    I'm not quite sure what it is you want - absent on-the-ground coverage, yes, all you have today is social media but we also know a lot of social media is about misinformation or disinformation. I've read this morning that apparently all the crowds want the Shah back - really? I find that hard to believe - I appreciate there's no love for the theocracy but the Pavlavi regime wasn't exactly a byword for freedom for those politically opposed though I appreciate women did a lot better in terms of freedom.

    Is it for the BBC (unlike some news organisations who seem to have no problem if such views reflect their politics) to report misinformation simply for something to report or should it wait until such information can be properly verified before its dissemination?
    I'm also unclear what it is that fitalass expects of them.
    Their reports last night and this morning said pretty well what she just said. Plus interviews with those with knowledge of the country.

    Since no one has reporters in the country, it's hard to see what detail they can add until events develop further.
    The problem is the contrast with Gaza, where there were also no Western journalists, but the BBC and other news sites carried what was clearly Hamas propoganda daily for two years.
    That's nonsense.
    Gaza is a tiny strip of land; there are plenty of journalists on its borders; the extent of the destruction wreaked by the IDF is easily verifiable by satellite photograph; the conflict has been ongoing for a very long time.

    You're comparing that with the coverage of the events of a few days.

    If you're going to demand journalists do better, then apply the same standards to your own thinking.
  • Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    stodge said:

    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    I still cannot believe why the whole UK media attention is not right now totally focussed on events unfolding in Iran as the main story outside the UK?! It has been a total failure of their news coverage over the last week and more importantly the last pivotal 24 hours as events unfolded and the Iranian Regime shut down the internet, telephone lines and cut off electricity as the growing civil unrest led to huge crowds taking to the streets of towns and cities right across Iran last night. A complete failure by the UK news channels which left anyone following events having to rely on social media for immediate updates on what was happening there!

    This is an incredible serious foreign story that has huge implications for the Middle East if the brutal Regime in Iran is finally on the cusp of falling, but only last night did we see some of our news channels finally start reporting on it briefly!
    I'd argue the overnight storm is big domestic news and quite clearly there are problems in several areas.

    I'm not quite sure what it is you want - absent on-the-ground coverage, yes, all you have today is social media but we also know a lot of social media is about misinformation or disinformation. I've read this morning that apparently all the crowds want the Shah back - really? I find that hard to believe - I appreciate there's no love for the theocracy but the Pavlavi regime wasn't exactly a byword for freedom for those politically opposed though I appreciate women did a lot better in terms of freedom.

    Is it for the BBC (unlike some news organisations who seem to have no problem if such views reflect their politics) to report misinformation simply for something to report or should it wait until such information can be properly verified before its dissemination?
    I'm also unclear what it is that fitalass expects of them.
    Their reports last night and this morning said pretty well what she just said. Plus interviews with those with knowledge of the country.

    Since no one has reporters in the country, it's hard to see what detail they can add until events develop further.
    The problem is the contrast with Gaza, where there were also no Western journalists, but the BBC and other news sites carried what was clearly Hamas propoganda daily for two years.
    That's just a reflection of your own politics. To me, the BBC reporting has appeared ridiculously pro-Israel, seeming to normalise genocide and allowing IDF mouthpieces to spout obvious untruths. But perhaps that is just a reflection of my own worldview.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,029
    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    I still cannot believe why the whole UK media attention is not right now totally focussed on events unfolding in Iran as the main story outside the UK?! It has been a total failure of their news coverage over the last week and more importantly the last pivotal 24 hours as events unfolded and the Iranian Regime shut down the internet, telephone lines and cut off electricity as the growing civil unrest led to huge crowds taking to the streets of towns and cities right across Iran last night. A complete failure by the UK news channels which left anyone following events having to rely on social media for immediate updates on what was happening there!

    This is an incredible serious foreign story that has huge implications for the Middle East if the brutal Regime in Iran is finally on the cusp of falling, but only last night did we see some of our news channels finally start reporting on it briefly!
    I'd argue the overnight storm is big domestic news and quite clearly there are problems in several areas.

    I'm not quite sure what it is you want - absent on-the-ground coverage, yes, all you have today is social media but we also know a lot of social media is about misinformation or disinformation. I've read this morning that apparently all the crowds want the Shah back - really? I find that hard to believe - I appreciate there's no love for the theocracy but the Pavlavi regime wasn't exactly a byword for freedom for those politically opposed though I appreciate women did a lot better in terms of freedom.

    Is it for the BBC (unlike some news organisations who seem to have no problem if such views reflect their politics) to report misinformation simply for something to report or should it wait until such information can be properly verified before its dissemination?

    The storm is big news and should take prominence. Iran does deserve more coverage.

    GMB News just covered Iran and did so quite fairly, they did ‘both sides’ it but that’s a change from some coverage, like the Guardian, who seem to be pro Mullah.
    Guardian is not remotely pro-Mullah in its coverage.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,297
    TSE's header concludes with:
    The next election is shaping up to be one giant unpopularity contest.

    If he's right, surely Starmer will win handsomely?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,891
    Eabhal said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer for the community note, again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2009174530779172891

    Seriously, who’s running No.10 comms?

    Seriously I would challenge why No 10 is doing any comms at all on X. Grok running completely wild on that thread.
    It's just AI crap and blue-tick bots spouting misinformation.
    Even if you're cool with X's casual attitude to child sex abuse material, why would you think grotesque platform generated images of Keir Starmer helps your messaging?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,810
    edited January 9
    Yes, what the Yougov polling shows is that voters want neither Starmer nor Farage to be PM. We are heading for a hung parliament and so on a forced choice of PM Davey, as the most centrist option, tends to be the beneficiary.

    More realistically though with the LDs set to hold their 70 odd seats the most favoured option ends up a Labour and LD government in a hung parliament. Kemi will be a bit disappointed Farage is preferred to her in any Reform and Conservative government but voters also prefer her to be PM in a coalition with Labour or the LDs than Farage PM in a Reform and Labour government.

    LD and Green voters would also prefer to govern now even with the Tories than Reform, even if they would still prefer to govern with Labour than the Tories. Labour voters would ideally prefer to govern with the LDs in a hung parliament but would also on a forced choice prefer to govern with even the Tories now than with Reform.

    Interestingly too slightly more current Conservative voters would prefer to govern with the LDs now if that was the only way to keep Labour from power in a hung parliament than with Reform
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,029
    Eabhal said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer for the community note, again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2009174530779172891

    Seriously, who’s running No.10 comms?

    Seriously I would challenge why No 10 is doing any comms at all on X. Grok running completely wild on that thread.
    It's just AI crap and blue-tick bots spouting misinformation.
    And child porn and deepfakes.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,825
    I know 7% of LDs is probably only one guy but it's great to see someone advocating the fun options like a LibDem-Reform coalition.
  • Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    That conflicts with claims that she was present as a "legal observer". While you are absolutely correct that it makes no difference with regard to justification for the shooting, it would be interesting to know whether she was taking an active role with regard to ICE activities or really was simply an uninvolved bystander.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157
    algarkirk said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Watch for what happens after midday prayers in Iran.

    These things tend to happen on Fridays.

    Iran is 3.5 hurs behind us so midday prays is 8:30. Which means we should see things from about 10 (UK time) onwards.
    How long do you think Islamic prayers are? Zuhr is four rakats plus an actual prayer, so about 15 mins, plus the imam giving a sermon.

    #IslamicScholar
    If you’ve ever sat through a 2h high Catholic Mass…
    Grim childhood memories. I always hated Good Friday for that reason.
    Mass not celebrated on Good Friday. It's, IIRC, the only day it isn't. Up to three hours are spent on other stuff. For me it is the single day when it is most significant to spend time in church. This act of pure duration is an act of solidarity with right against wrong on a day when it didn't seem to work. It's the most up to date and relevant day in the church year.

    I remember having to go to church TWICE on Good Friday.

    Kissing Jesus' feet on the cross always struck me as a bit unhygienic, despite an alter boy giving it a quick wipe down between each pair of lips.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,029

    I know 7% of LDs is probably only one guy but it's great to see someone advocating the fun options like a LibDem-Reform coalition.

    An ex's grandfather was a lovely man. OK, it was slightly odd that he thought lampposts were spying on him... One election, he told us he couldn't decide between voting BNP or Green. The electorate of the country do have quite a range of views.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157
    Selebian said:

    It has properly snowed in Sheffield causing me to work from home today, no trains to and from Manchester for me today.

    This is going to impact GDP isn't it.

    A positive impact on GDP. Folk will have to get on with their work while WFH, rather than spending half the day chatting with colleagues and being unable to focus due to the extremely loud person who spends all day on Teams calls.
    In my new office, there's a row of 'phone booths' down one wall - bar stool and little shelf for laptop, closed door - and the protocol is that if you're speaking more than minimally on a call you go in one of those.

    Can't have cost a lot and is very sensible, both for other users and for the person on the call.
    But then you don't have the dual screen set up with the Teams call on one and PB on the other.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,029

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    That conflicts with claims that she was present as a "legal observer". While you are absolutely correct that it makes no difference with regard to justification for the shooting, it would be interesting to know whether she was taking an active role with regard to ICE activities or really was simply an uninvolved bystander.
    State officials had said she was there as a legal observer, but the family say she wasn't. I guess the family know better?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,055
    Talk of banning X in the U.K. hasn’t gone down well

    https://x.com/repluna/status/2009460496668426449

    If Starmer is successful in banning @X in Britain, I will move forward with legislation that is currently being drafted to sanction not only Starmer, but Britain as a whole. This would mirror actions previously taken by the United States in response to foreign governments restricting the platform, including the dispute with Brazil in 2024–2025, which resulted in tariffs, visa revocations, and sanctions and consequences tied to free speech concerns against Brazilian officials over concerns related to censorship and free-speech violations.

    Starmer should reconsider this course of action, or there will be consequences
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,029

    Talk of banning X in the U.K. hasn’t gone down well

    https://x.com/repluna/status/2009460496668426449

    If Starmer is successful in banning @X in Britain, I will move forward with legislation that is currently being drafted to sanction not only Starmer, but Britain as a whole. This would mirror actions previously taken by the United States in response to foreign governments restricting the platform, including the dispute with Brazil in 2024–2025, which resulted in tariffs, visa revocations, and sanctions and consequences tied to free speech concerns against Brazilian officials over concerns related to censorship and free-speech violations.

    Starmer should reconsider this course of action, or there will be consequences

    I don't think it's a good look for the Republicans, given the President's associations with Epstein, to be trying to force child sex abuse material down our throats.
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