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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Just noticed this from yesterday.
    FFS.

    BREAKING:
    Government refuses to back Northern Powerhouse Rail. Rumours of a reduction in scheme.

    https://x.com/JeromeMayhew/status/2009213331580637500

    In other news bear does unspeakable things in the woods
    Basically this says the country is going to go into (un)managed decline as we are doing nothing to help productivity improve.

    Because no matter what people in whitehall think productivity comes from investing in productivity improvements of which one major one is increasing the number of people able to access decent jobs by increasing commuting areas..
    Consider the flip side of managed decline

    1) A rocket with a reusable first stage can be developed for less than £500 million
    2) Reusable first stages mean that we don't have to worry about bombing the North Sea/Europe when launching from the UK
    3) Cheap phased array satellite terminals are now a consumer good.

    Put that together, and we could have expanded OneWeb into a mega constellation. Data, navigation and cellular access. Then made vast amounts of money selling it around the world.

    But that would upset Bae (stuff must be expensive), ESA, the Settled Policy etc...
    JFDI

    If we allow industrial policy to be dictated by the incumbents, it will be disastrous for them too in the long term.
    See the saw motion disaster in the US Navy procurement chain.

    When Trump tried to block buybacks, the other day, he was reacting to a genuine problem.

    SpaceX started by eating the launch industries lunch - they love their cost plus. Then they ate the satellite data industry. Now they are eating the military satellite industry. As one Biden admin official put it - "No-one asked them to produce these capbilities at this price. This is overturning all the political decision made on The Hill"

    Other companies are starting to move in the military business in the US.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837
    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    DavidL said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    I think it was the Dune series, particularly God Emperor, that made me cynical about religion and caused me to rethink my own beliefs. But if it hadn't this would be another opportunity. You'd like to think most civilised or principled countries would have no problem in scooping these clerics up and returning them to justice for their cruelty in a new Iran but you can see the equivocation already.
    Don’t worry, they will have lawyers briefed already for their asylum applications

    “M’lud. My client faces the death penalty if he is returned home. He ordered the murder of 5,000 dissidents, so it would be really unfair for him to face the consequences.”
    You’re right. Let’s give him a subsidised social home on a long lease and a monthly pot of index linked cash to,live on.
    On the upside, if the Met accidentally bump them off, there will be lots of evidence that they were wrong 'uns....
    They'll be no evidence other than a couple of conveniently broken body cams...
    Nonsense. Give them more credit than that.

    With de Menzes, they had to lose the footage from the tube train as well.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    There's an argument, which isn't entirely without validity, that the fates of Saddam and Gaddafi made other dictators yet more repressive for fear of something similar.

    And to be frank, Moscow is welcome to them, and permanent exile there is not a particularly pleasant fate.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,285

    Scott_xP said:

    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: The US economy added just 50,000 jobs in December, capping off one of the weakest years of job gains in decades.

    Yes but how many new AI agents were employed?
    They won’t need new jobs when they’re killing off democrats.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,481
    Scott_xP said:

    The Americans arrested the crew of the oil tanker it boarded and is shipping them to the US for questioning.

    Apart from the Russians onboard. They have been released...

    Diplomacy in action.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Just noticed this from yesterday.
    FFS.

    BREAKING:
    Government refuses to back Northern Powerhouse Rail. Rumours of a reduction in scheme.

    https://x.com/JeromeMayhew/status/2009213331580637500

    In other news bear does unspeakable things in the woods
    Basically this says the country is going to go into (un)managed decline as we are doing nothing to help productivity improve.

    Because no matter what people in whitehall think productivity comes from investing in productivity improvements of which one major one is increasing the number of people able to access decent jobs by increasing commuting areas..
    Consider the flip side of managed decline

    1) A rocket with a reusable first stage can be developed for less than £500 million
    2) Reusable first stages mean that we don't have to worry about bombing the North Sea/Europe when launching from the UK
    3) Cheap phased array satellite terminals are now a consumer good.

    Put that together, and we could have expanded OneWeb into a mega constellation. Data, navigation and cellular access. Then made vast amounts of money selling it around the world.

    But that would upset Bae (stuff must be expensive), ESA, the Settled Policy etc...
    JFDI

    If we allow industrial policy to be dictated by the incumbents, it will be disastrous for them too in the long term.
    See the saw motion disaster in the US Navy procurement chain.

    When Trump tried to block buybacks, the other day, he was reacting to a genuine problem.

    SpaceX started by eating the launch industries lunch - they love their cost plus. Then they ate the satellite data industry. Now they are eating the military satellite industry. As one Biden admin official put it - "No-one asked them to produce these capbilities at this price. This is overturning all the political decision made on The Hill"

    Other companies are starting to move in the military business in the US.
    Lockheed was an upstart, back in the day.
    And the new entrants are sharpening the game of the defence primes, to some extent.

    Space is an oddity in that the economics have been completely upended by a single simple idea.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,135
    in hindsight, incredible restraint from these ICE officers in this horrific vehicular attack
    https://x.com/CryptoCronkite/status/2009241914881740879
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,849

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,516

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Just noticed this from yesterday.
    FFS.

    BREAKING:
    Government refuses to back Northern Powerhouse Rail. Rumours of a reduction in scheme.

    https://x.com/JeromeMayhew/status/2009213331580637500

    That’s Okay as they’ve frozen rail fares that predominantly helps the affluent south. 👍

    Priorities priorities
    Bicester to Bletchley rail route is "operational" - but Chiltern Rail and the Unions are still arguing about whether the trains should have guards or not, so the route hasn't seen any passenger trains since it became "operational" over a year ago...
    My suggested rule of thumb: If a train can be boarded step-free, unassisted (e.g. like DLR and, increasingly the tube) then no guard required. Otherwise there needs to be a guard.

    Simple.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,141

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    DavidL said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    I think it was the Dune series, particularly God Emperor, that made me cynical about religion and caused me to rethink my own beliefs. But if it hadn't this would be another opportunity. You'd like to think most civilised or principled countries would have no problem in scooping these clerics up and returning them to justice for their cruelty in a new Iran but you can see the equivocation already.
    Don’t worry, they will have lawyers briefed already for their asylum applications

    “M’lud. My client faces the death penalty if he is returned home. He ordered the murder of 5,000 dissidents, so it would be really unfair for him to face the consequences.”
    You’re right. Let’s give him a subsidised social home on a long lease and a monthly pot of index linked cash to,live on.
    On the upside, if the Met accidentally bump them off, there will be lots of evidence that they were wrong 'uns....
    They'll be no evidence other than a couple of conveniently broken body cams...
    Nonsense. Give them more credit than that.

    With de Menzes, they had to lose the footage from the tube train as well.
    Is that true ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Just noticed this from yesterday.
    FFS.

    BREAKING:
    Government refuses to back Northern Powerhouse Rail. Rumours of a reduction in scheme.

    https://x.com/JeromeMayhew/status/2009213331580637500

    In other news bear does unspeakable things in the woods
    Basically this says the country is going to go into (un)managed decline as we are doing nothing to help productivity improve.

    Because no matter what people in whitehall think productivity comes from investing in productivity improvements of which one major one is increasing the number of people able to access decent jobs by increasing commuting areas..
    Consider the flip side of managed decline

    1) A rocket with a reusable first stage can be developed for less than £500 million
    2) Reusable first stages mean that we don't have to worry about bombing the North Sea/Europe when launching from the UK
    3) Cheap phased array satellite terminals are now a consumer good.

    Put that together, and we could have expanded OneWeb into a mega constellation. Data, navigation and cellular access. Then made vast amounts of money selling it around the world.

    But that would upset Bae (stuff must be expensive), ESA, the Settled Policy etc...
    JFDI

    If we allow industrial policy to be dictated by the incumbents, it will be disastrous for them too in the long term.
    See the saw motion disaster in the US Navy procurement chain.

    When Trump tried to block buybacks, the other day, he was reacting to a genuine problem.

    SpaceX started by eating the launch industries lunch - they love their cost plus. Then they ate the satellite data industry. Now they are eating the military satellite industry. As one Biden admin official put it - "No-one asked them to produce these capbilities at this price. This is overturning all the political decision made on The Hill"

    Other companies are starting to move in the military business in the US.
    Lockheed was an upstart, back in the day.
    And the new entrants are sharpening the game of the defence primes, to some extent.

    Space is an oddity in that the economics have been completely upended by a single simple idea.
    Not really. What was upended was the idea of ever spiralling costs, paid for by the government with cost-plus-profit.

    Read some of stories of people who worked at SpaceX early on. It was pretty standard for them to make equipment 1 *or more* orders of magnitude cheaper than the traditional suppliers.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,169
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    There's an argument, which isn't entirely without validity, that the fates of Saddam and Gaddafi made other dictators yet more repressive for fear of something similar.

    And to be frank, Moscow is welcome to them, and permanent exile there is not a particularly pleasant fate.
    No punishment could have been too horrible for Kim Philby but retirement in the Soviet Union must have been pretty grim and no more than he deserved,
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,033
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,844
    Scott_xP said:

    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: The US economy added just 50,000 jobs in December, capping off one of the weakest years of job gains in decades.

    If you drill in, the numbers are particularly poor for "blue collar" jobs and manufacturing: employment dropped in these areas in 2025.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    DavidL said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    I think it was the Dune series, particularly God Emperor, that made me cynical about religion and caused me to rethink my own beliefs. But if it hadn't this would be another opportunity. You'd like to think most civilised or principled countries would have no problem in scooping these clerics up and returning them to justice for their cruelty in a new Iran but you can see the equivocation already.
    Don’t worry, they will have lawyers briefed already for their asylum applications

    “M’lud. My client faces the death penalty if he is returned home. He ordered the murder of 5,000 dissidents, so it would be really unfair for him to face the consequences.”
    You’re right. Let’s give him a subsidised social home on a long lease and a monthly pot of index linked cash to,live on.
    On the upside, if the Met accidentally bump them off, there will be lots of evidence that they were wrong 'uns....
    They'll be no evidence other than a couple of conveniently broken body cams...
    Nonsense. Give them more credit than that.

    With de Menzes, they had to lose the footage from the tube train as well.
    Is that true ?
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/sep/24/london

    “Other cameras - on the bus, at Stockwell underground station and on the train on which De Menezes was shot - were faulty, the inquest was told.”

    The police officer who gave evidence had some difficulty leaving the court room - his nose was 23 feet long at that point. His underwear had also exploded in a fireball.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,439
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: The US economy added just 50,000 jobs in December, capping off one of the weakest years of job gains in decades.

    If you drill in, the numbers are particularly poor for "blue collar" jobs and manufacturing: employment dropped in these areas in 2025.
    It's all Biden's fault obviously.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837
    Nigelb said:

    in hindsight, incredible restraint from these ICE officers in this horrific vehicular attack
    https://x.com/CryptoCronkite/status/2009241914881740879

    Fake - no shots fired.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: The US economy added just 50,000 jobs in December, capping off one of the weakest years of job gains in decades.

    If you drill in, the numbers are particularly poor for "blue collar" jobs and manufacturing: employment dropped in these areas in 2025.
    It's all Biden's fault obviously.

    Ah, the quiet competence of Biden.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,439
    Nigelb said:

    Just noticed this from yesterday.
    FFS.

    BREAKING:
    Government refuses to back Northern Powerhouse Rail. Rumours of a reduction in scheme.

    https://x.com/JeromeMayhew/status/2009213331580637500

    That'll show that King of the North guy to stay in his lane.


  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,634

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    I agree.

    She's a historian of the Reconstruction Era. The suggestion is that it is of wider import because this time they have killed one of "us", rather than one of "them".

    Time will tell, as ever.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,292

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,292
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    I agree.

    She's a historian of the Reconstruction Era. The suggestion is that it is of wider import because this time they have killed one of "us", rather than one of "them".

    Time will tell, as ever.
    But, she’s not one of “us.” She’s a race traitor, libtard, lesbo, who had it coming.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100
    kjh said:

    Cicero said:

    He's a NOTA choice.

    As soon as he took a position support would plummet.

    In an ideal world the LDs would say which party they would be prepared to support in government before the election then they would be completely done away with as 2015.
    There's a conflicting mix of dissatisfied people who are projecting onto the LDs that they share their beliefs and are on their side.

    This is what leads to the higher polling; it survives only as long as they're not in the spotlight.
    The Anti-Liberal Democrats do tie themselves up in knots, so blinded by hatred are they.

    I've clearly touched a nerve.
    I think you are confusing 'touching a nerve' with finding it funny.
    It's quite funny to be labelled as being blinded by hatred when I calmly point out what's underpinning their higher level of polling.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,055
    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,141

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
    Bot alert!!!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,503
    Sean_F said:

    But, she’s not one of “us.” She’s a race traitor, libtard, lesbo, who had it coming.

    Maybe if her wife had also been her cousin...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,503
    @adampayne26

    WhatsApp mgs leaked to PolHome's
    @zoenora6
    show Labour MPs urging government to quit X amid the Grok scandal

    They say X is "worse than ever, especially for women" and their constituents are on Facebook anyway

    One says it's "surely time to take a stand"

    https://x.com/adampayne26/status/2009629730966823113?s=20
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,844
    Nigelb said:

    in hindsight, incredible restraint from these ICE officers in this horrific vehicular attack
    https://x.com/CryptoCronkite/status/2009241914881740879

    Amusing as that video is, those aren't ICE officers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,133
    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    10% below the number needed to win. Only 39% approve, 56% disapprove:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,844

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
    Oh yes, I remember the Democratic Senators claiming he got what he deserved.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,844

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    10% below the number needed to win. Only 39% approve, 56% disapprove:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

    The Silver Bulletin tracker has a considerably smaller margin. Nevertheless, there is little doubt that Trump has managed to become increasingly unpopular, and I suspect the Minnesota shooting will probably move him down another point or two.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,565
    edited January 9
    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    On your final sentence: not necessarily. 43% backing a particular politician is 43% thinking that on balance that politician is the better option, not 43% unconditionally supporting everything that politician does.
    Politicians make many errors based on this fallacy. And many nonsensical arguments are had on this basis.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,891

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    Also Khamenei is the king maker, not the king and as ayatollah likely will be protected by the religious institutions.

    I don't know the slightest thing about Iran's political internals obviously.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,562
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
    Oh yes, I remember the Democratic Senators claiming he got what he deserved.
    The quality of right wing whataboutery is really declining.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,659
    What happens if/when the Iranian regime falls? It seems likely to happen at some point, even if not this time.

    I can foresee a few different outcomes:

    1. Worst case, the Libya option: Iran descends into chaos and civil war, with competing great powers seeking to influence different factions. The economy collapses. It becomes even more of a no go area than now
    2. Egypt option: democracy dawns, elections held, this descends into civil unrest and terrorist attacks. Out of the chaos a new authoritarian steps into power. Either US or Russia-aligned
    3. The dream scenario, 1989 revisited. Iran enjoys a democratic flourishing and economic boom as sanctions are lifted, normalised relations with Israel, makes friends with the Sunni powers in the region and becomes the go-to holiday destination of 2027.
    4. “Young Persians”: like Ataturk after the fall of the Ottomans, a new Western-coded but Persian ethno-nationalist leadership emerges. Partial / managed democracy. Economy performs relatively well. Kurds, Arabs and other minorities suffer. Likely Kurdish insurgency in North West.

    4 seems most likely to me.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,292

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
    None of them were senior figures.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,136

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
    I don't remember anyone claiming that Mangione was acting in self defence because Brian Thompson had tried to kill Mangione, and that it was a miracle Mangione was still alive.

    Let alone any elected official. Let alone the President of the USA.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,837
    FF43 said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    Also Khamenei is the king maker, not the king and as ayatollah likely will be protected by the religious institutions.

    I don't know the slightest thing about Iran's political internals obviously.
    He will be in the... er... firing line, if real change happens.

    The "religious institutions" will also be in the firing line. They've been part of the system too long for the "But We Are Men Of God" thing to protect them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,100
    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    We should ask ourselves why, and why it's not 36% or 31% or even 27%.

    That's the really interesting question.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,367
    edited January 9
    Nigelb said:

    Just noticed this from yesterday.
    FFS.

    BREAKING:
    Government refuses to back Northern Powerhouse Rail. Rumours of a reduction in scheme.

    https://x.com/JeromeMayhew/status/2009213331580637500

    Will probably u-turn on the u-turn in 6 months.

    Are we sure we got rid of the other lot in 2024?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157
    Scott_xP said:

    The Americans arrested the crew of the oil tanker it boarded and is shipping them to the US for questioning.

    Apart from the Russians onboard. They have been released...

    Released from a helicopter over the Atlantic?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,367
    edited January 9
    A Council van in Sheffield..

    https://x.com/CrimeLdn/status/2009574047575667141?s=20

    Must watch with audio, its Yaaarrrrkshire through and through.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,529

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cnn.com‬

    JUST IN: The US economy added just 50,000 jobs in December, capping off one of the weakest years of job gains in decades.

    If you drill in, the numbers are particularly poor for "blue collar" jobs and manufacturing: employment dropped in these areas in 2025.
    Team Trump are going to need ten million more ICE operatives. That should help.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,367
    edited January 9
    US forces have seized another tanker in the Caribbean Sea, officials said, as Washington continues its efforts to control exports of Venezuelan oil.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxj28xd542o
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,481

    A Council van in Sheffield..

    https://x.com/CrimeLdn/status/2009574047575667141?s=20

    Must watch with audio, its Yaaarrrrkshire through and through.

    Sheffield council's gritting is appalling mind, went flying the other day walking on the wicker...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,367
    World number one Luke Littler has signed a record sponsorship deal for a darts player worth a reported £20m.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/articles/c70leg9rdkpo

    That will buy a few kebabs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,133

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Potentially a huge peace dividend for the world if it does.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,011
    Scott_xP said:

    @adampayne26

    WhatsApp mgs leaked to PolHome's
    @zoenora6
    show Labour MPs urging government to quit X amid the Grok scandal

    They say X is "worse than ever, especially for women" and their constituents are on Facebook anyway

    One says it's "surely time to take a stand"

    https://x.com/adampayne26/status/2009629730966823113?s=20

    Govt can either be bounced into this or get ahead of it.
    Maybe its unwise to pick a fight with Musk, but he's certainly picking a fight with Starmer. Might be worth fighting back.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,598

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
    Yes but if some people have to die to keep America's 2nd Amendment intact, then that's a price worth paying (said some guy).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,817
    'Exclusive: Labour's support has collapsed among school and college staff, according to a poll carried out on behalf of the country's biggest education union.The poll, shared exclusively with PoliticsHome, found that support for Labour among members of the National Education Union (NEU) has fallen by 70 per cent since the July 2024 general election.

    The findings come as NEU leader Daniel Kebede warned that conditions have worsened for teachers and others working in education since Keir Starmer's party entered office.

    Deltapoll surveyed 3,751 NEU members in England between December 12-15. The poll found that while 60 per cent of respondents said they voted Labour in 2024, 18 per cent would do so if a general election were held tomorrow.

    While Labour's popularity has fallen sharply, support for the Greens among members of the education union has risen from 10 per cent to 23 per cent — making Zack Polanski's party the most popular option among this cohort. The Greens have been on the rise nationwide since Polanski became leader in September, with the left-wing London Assembly Member's growing popularity seemingly coming at the expense of the Labour vote
    Support for the Liberal Democrats among NEU members has fallen from 9 per cent to 7 per cent, according to the poll, while the Conservatives have remained at 4 per cent. Reform UK's popularity rose slightly from 3 to 6 per cent, the same level of support being shown for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana's left-wing project, Your Party.'

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-support-among-neu-teachers-collapses-poll-finds
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340

    Sean_F said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Renee Good's ex-husband told reporters this morning that:

    1) Renee was not an activist
    2) She was in the vicinity because she had just dropped off her 6 year-old off at school
    3) She was a devoted Christian and stay-at-home mom

    https://x.com/JoshEakle/status/2009297500453171440

    Note this makes no difference to the absolute lack of justification for the shooting.

    But it makes clear that the administration engaged in lies and character assassination yesterday, along with their lies about the event itself.

    Is being an activist is a risky lifestyle choice ?
    The video of Heather Cox Richardson I linked for Trump pushback is an argument that this is a hinge-point, because they have now killed a white soccer-mom for no reason whatsoever, and so women who have been silently tolerating Trump's abuses will identify with her.

    She makes an analogy with Uncle Tom's Cabin the early popular novel, where white women losing their children to diseases (including Harriet Beecher-Stowe) could identify with black women losing their children in slavery.

    And that period is where Trump's backers personal values are sourced.

    I'm not well enough up with emotional links of the 19C to judge well, but it was a powerful presentation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPOHCoTbgE
    I think each person has their own tipping point, and Trump's declining poll ratings show that more and more people are coming to them. So, whether there's a hinge-point or not, as long as more and more people open their eyes, then the worse Trump and the Republicans do in elections (presuming there still are fair elections).
    Possibly. The thing is, Trump still has the backing of 43% or so. That’s only 6% below the figure needed to win. That 43% see Renee Good’s death as a cause for rejoicing.
    If you want rejoicing, look at the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination or Luigi Mangione's hit on the insurance executive.
    You're not really having a very good couple of days are you, William.
    It is a shame because when he is not shilling for Trump, William is a particularly well versed and articulate poster. He knows his stuff, but he leaves it all at the door when he enters the Trumposphere.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,216

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Potentially a huge peace dividend for the world if it does.
    There are risks around the regime's technicals clearing off and doing work for hire tho'.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,290

    World number one Luke Littler has signed a record sponsorship deal for a darts player worth a reported £20m.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/articles/c70leg9rdkpo

    That will buy a few kebabs.

    His challenge at the moment is finding someone who can give him exciting matches. The last championship was far too easy for proper entertainment outside the hard core.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,659
    edited January 9
    DavidL said:

    World number one Luke Littler has signed a record sponsorship deal for a darts player worth a reported £20m.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/articles/c70leg9rdkpo

    That will buy a few kebabs.

    His challenge at the moment is finding someone who can give him exciting matches. The last championship was far too easy for proper entertainment outside the hard core.
    Almost like he’s been crying salt tears because there are no worlds left to conquer.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,157
    HYUFD said:

    'Exclusive: Labour's support has collapsed among school and college staff, according to a poll carried out on behalf of the country's biggest education union.The poll, shared exclusively with PoliticsHome, found that support for Labour among members of the National Education Union (NEU) has fallen by 70 per cent since the July 2024 general election.

    The findings come as NEU leader Daniel Kebede warned that conditions have worsened for teachers and others working in education since Keir Starmer's party entered office.

    Deltapoll surveyed 3,751 NEU members in England between December 12-15. The poll found that while 60 per cent of respondents said they voted Labour in 2024, 18 per cent would do so if a general election were held tomorrow.

    While Labour's popularity has fallen sharply, support for the Greens among members of the education union has risen from 10 per cent to 23 per cent — making Zack Polanski's party the most popular option among this cohort. The Greens have been on the rise nationwide since Polanski became leader in September, with the left-wing London Assembly Member's growing popularity seemingly coming at the expense of the Labour vote
    Support for the Liberal Democrats among NEU members has fallen from 9 per cent to 7 per cent, according to the poll, while the Conservatives have remained at 4 per cent. Reform UK's popularity rose slightly from 3 to 6 per cent, the same level of support being shown for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana's left-wing project, Your Party.'

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-support-among-neu-teachers-collapses-poll-finds

    Bunch of Trots.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,290

    US forces have seized another tanker in the Caribbean Sea, officials said, as Washington continues its efforts to control exports of Venezuelan oil.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxj28xd542o

    How soon is it going to be before such ships have a Chinese escort? That is when things are going to get seriously hairy.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416
    HYUFD said:

    'Exclusive: Labour's support has collapsed among school and college staff, according to a poll carried out on behalf of the country's biggest education union.The poll, shared exclusively with PoliticsHome, found that support for Labour among members of the National Education Union (NEU) has fallen by 70 per cent since the July 2024 general election.

    The findings come as NEU leader Daniel Kebede warned that conditions have worsened for teachers and others working in education since Keir Starmer's party entered office.

    Deltapoll surveyed 3,751 NEU members in England between December 12-15. The poll found that while 60 per cent of respondents said they voted Labour in 2024, 18 per cent would do so if a general election were held tomorrow.

    While Labour's popularity has fallen sharply, support for the Greens among members of the education union has risen from 10 per cent to 23 per cent — making Zack Polanski's party the most popular option among this cohort. The Greens have been on the rise nationwide since Polanski became leader in September, with the left-wing London Assembly Member's growing popularity seemingly coming at the expense of the Labour vote
    Support for the Liberal Democrats among NEU members has fallen from 9 per cent to 7 per cent, according to the poll, while the Conservatives have remained at 4 per cent. Reform UK's popularity rose slightly from 3 to 6 per cent, the same level of support being shown for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana's left-wing project, Your Party.'

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-support-among-neu-teachers-collapses-poll-finds


    Hmm. Wonder what the teachers on here will say when they get back. I get the impression from those of my family working in education (n=3) that things are looking up.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,503
    SCOTUS bottles the tariff decision
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340
    DavidL said:

    US forces have seized another tanker in the Caribbean Sea, officials said, as Washington continues its efforts to control exports of Venezuelan oil.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxj28xd542o

    How soon is it going to be before such ships have a Chinese escort? That is when things are going to get seriously hairy.
    Why specifically Chinese hookers when Russian ones are readily available at most Black Sea and Baltic docksides?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,529
    edited January 9
    rkrkrk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @adampayne26

    WhatsApp mgs leaked to PolHome's
    @zoenora6
    show Labour MPs urging government to quit X amid the Grok scandal

    They say X is "worse than ever, especially for women" and their constituents are on Facebook anyway

    One says it's "surely time to take a stand"

    https://x.com/adampayne26/status/2009629730966823113?s=20

    Govt can either be bounced into this or get ahead of it.
    Maybe its unwise to pick a fight with Musk, but he's certainly picking a fight with Starmer. Might be worth fighting back.
    … and therefore the most likely thing that will happen is Starmer will say he has no plans to do so, then do it months later and get no benefit from doing so.

    If it stops Starmer tweeting, it has to be a plus for the Labour Party.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,111
    rkrkrk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @adampayne26

    WhatsApp mgs leaked to PolHome's
    @zoenora6
    show Labour MPs urging government to quit X amid the Grok scandal

    They say X is "worse than ever, especially for women" and their constituents are on Facebook anyway

    One says it's "surely time to take a stand"

    https://x.com/adampayne26/status/2009629730966823113?s=20

    Govt can either be bounced into this or get ahead of it.
    Maybe its unwise to pick a fight with Musk, but he's certainly picking a fight with Starmer. Might be worth fighting back.
    UK commercial advertising for "X" is down c 60% so I see no reason why the state should spend any money on this crappy and increasingly dangerous media channel, when the private sector -say Unilever- does not. The invisible hand is already kicking Mu*k in the nuts, so its a bit closing the stable door to regulate, but Starmer should do it anyway just for the Lols. The Tech Bros are going to burn anyway, Fu*k em.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416

    DavidL said:

    US forces have seized another tanker in the Caribbean Sea, officials said, as Washington continues its efforts to control exports of Venezuelan oil.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxj28xd542o

    How soon is it going to be before such ships have a Chinese escort? That is when things are going to get seriously hairy.
    Why specifically Chinese hookers when Russian ones are readily available at most Black Sea and Baltic docksides?
    Have you been checking?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,033
    HYUFD said:

    'Exclusive: Labour's support has collapsed among school and college staff, according to a poll carried out on behalf of the country's biggest education union.The poll, shared exclusively with PoliticsHome, found that support for Labour among members of the National Education Union (NEU) has fallen by 70 per cent since the July 2024 general election.

    The findings come as NEU leader Daniel Kebede warned that conditions have worsened for teachers and others working in education since Keir Starmer's party entered office.

    Deltapoll surveyed 3,751 NEU members in England between December 12-15. The poll found that while 60 per cent of respondents said they voted Labour in 2024, 18 per cent would do so if a general election were held tomorrow.

    While Labour's popularity has fallen sharply, support for the Greens among members of the education union has risen from 10 per cent to 23 per cent — making Zack Polanski's party the most popular option among this cohort. The Greens have been on the rise nationwide since Polanski became leader in September, with the left-wing London Assembly Member's growing popularity seemingly coming at the expense of the Labour vote
    Support for the Liberal Democrats among NEU members has fallen from 9 per cent to 7 per cent, according to the poll, while the Conservatives have remained at 4 per cent. Reform UK's popularity rose slightly from 3 to 6 per cent, the same level of support being shown for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana's left-wing project, Your Party.'

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-support-among-neu-teachers-collapses-poll-finds

    This is rather expected! Labour's polling has dropped precipitously among the general public. Ergo, one would expect it to have collapsed among any particular subset of the public: here, school and college staff.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,033

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,340

    DavidL said:

    US forces have seized another tanker in the Caribbean Sea, officials said, as Washington continues its efforts to control exports of Venezuelan oil.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxj28xd542o

    How soon is it going to be before such ships have a Chinese escort? That is when things are going to get seriously hairy.
    Why specifically Chinese hookers when Russian ones are readily available at most Black Sea and Baltic docksides?
    Have you been checking?
    Just window shopping and asking for prices. I can't afford them on my meagre wage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,817

    HYUFD said:

    'Exclusive: Labour's support has collapsed among school and college staff, according to a poll carried out on behalf of the country's biggest education union.The poll, shared exclusively with PoliticsHome, found that support for Labour among members of the National Education Union (NEU) has fallen by 70 per cent since the July 2024 general election.

    The findings come as NEU leader Daniel Kebede warned that conditions have worsened for teachers and others working in education since Keir Starmer's party entered office.

    Deltapoll surveyed 3,751 NEU members in England between December 12-15. The poll found that while 60 per cent of respondents said they voted Labour in 2024, 18 per cent would do so if a general election were held tomorrow.

    While Labour's popularity has fallen sharply, support for the Greens among members of the education union has risen from 10 per cent to 23 per cent — making Zack Polanski's party the most popular option among this cohort. The Greens have been on the rise nationwide since Polanski became leader in September, with the left-wing London Assembly Member's growing popularity seemingly coming at the expense of the Labour vote
    Support for the Liberal Democrats among NEU members has fallen from 9 per cent to 7 per cent, according to the poll, while the Conservatives have remained at 4 per cent. Reform UK's popularity rose slightly from 3 to 6 per cent, the same level of support being shown for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana's left-wing project, Your Party.'

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-support-among-neu-teachers-collapses-poll-finds

    This is rather expected! Labour's polling has dropped precipitously among the general public. Ergo, one would expect it to have collapsed among any particular subset of the public: here, school and college staff.
    Though while nationally it is mainly Reform who have benefited from that collapse, no surprise amongst teachers and lecturers it is the Greens who have benefited most
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,503
    @peterwalker99.bsky.social‬

    NEW: Liz Kendall, the technology secretary, says Ofcom would have the "full backing" of government if it opted to block access to X in the UK (but it's a decision for Ofcom)

    https://bsky.app/profile/peterwalker99.bsky.social/post/3mbytelinzk2r
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,297
    edited January 9
    HYUFD said:

    'Exclusive: Labour's support has collapsed among school and college staff, according to a poll carried out on behalf of the country's biggest education union.The poll, shared exclusively with PoliticsHome, found that support for Labour among members of the National Education Union (NEU) has fallen by 70 per cent since the July 2024 general election.

    The findings come as NEU leader Daniel Kebede warned that conditions have worsened for teachers and others working in education since Keir Starmer's party entered office.

    Deltapoll surveyed 3,751 NEU members in England between December 12-15. The poll found that while 60 per cent of respondents said they voted Labour in 2024, 18 per cent would do so if a general election were held tomorrow.

    While Labour's popularity has fallen sharply, support for the Greens among members of the education union has risen from 10 per cent to 23 per cent — making Zack Polanski's party the most popular option among this cohort. The Greens have been on the rise nationwide since Polanski became leader in September, with the left-wing London Assembly Member's growing popularity seemingly coming at the expense of the Labour vote
    Support for the Liberal Democrats among NEU members has fallen from 9 per cent to 7 per cent, according to the poll, while the Conservatives have remained at 4 per cent. Reform UK's popularity rose slightly from 3 to 6 per cent, the same level of support being shown for Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana's left-wing project, Your Party.'

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-support-among-neu-teachers-collapses-poll-finds

    Greens at only 23%? Given that at the last GE the Greens promised to abolish Ofsted, end high-stakes primary and secondary school tests, and scrap tuition fees, I'm surprised they're not at around 80%.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,029

    DavidL said:

    US forces have seized another tanker in the Caribbean Sea, officials said, as Washington continues its efforts to control exports of Venezuelan oil.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxj28xd542o

    How soon is it going to be before such ships have a Chinese escort? That is when things are going to get seriously hairy.
    Why specifically Chinese hookers when Russian ones are readily available at most Black Sea and Baltic docksides?
    Chinese (generally) less than 50% of the Rysskaya. Less chance of getting assaulted and/or robbed though which may or may not be a negative depending on your predilections.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,033
    edited January 9

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Thanks; stupid mistype on my part. Not a lot of places for Khameni to do a runner to, then.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,055
    Worrying story from France about a state employee selling access to tax details to organised criminals involved in kidnapping cryptocurrency investors:

    https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/lagente-du-fisc-ciblait-gardiens-de-prison-et-investisseurs-en-cryptomonnaie-pour-un-mysterieux-commanditaire-06-01-2026-WYVSPSJXYFCUFND23GKKJR3D6Y.php
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,529
    Scott_xP said:

    @peterwalker99.bsky.social‬

    NEW: Liz Kendall, the technology secretary, says Ofcom would have the "full backing" of government if it opted to block access to X in the UK (but it's a decision for Ofcom)

    https://bsky.app/profile/peterwalker99.bsky.social/post/3mbytelinzk2r

    So they’re making it Ofcom’s problem, not the governments. Conveniently.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,503
    @gregsargent.bsky.social‬

    NEWS --> Reps Eric Swalwell and Dan Goldman are introducing a new bill to strip ICE officers of qualified immunity, making lawsuits and prosecutions easier. They also say agent who killed Renee Good should be prosecuted in Minnesota.

    https://bsky.app/profile/gregsargent.bsky.social/post/3mbyh4dhwk22g
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887
    Scott_xP said:

    SCOTUS bottles the tariff decision

    Pathetic
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    Worrying story from France about a state employee selling access to tax details to organised criminals involved in kidnapping cryptocurrency investors:

    https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/lagente-du-fisc-ciblait-gardiens-de-prison-et-investisseurs-en-cryptomonnaie-pour-un-mysterieux-commanditaire-06-01-2026-WYVSPSJXYFCUFND23GKKJR3D6Y.php

    Been going on for years. My National Insurance number was fraudulently used by someone else in the late nineties to claim benefits.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,796

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Thanks; stupid mistype on my part. Not a lot of places for Khameni to do a runner to, then.
    He'll need to find somewhere, might find himself hoisted from a crane
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,263

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Iraq is majority Shia, and Azerbaijan is also Shia.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Sunni and Shia.

    I got you babe.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,290
    Scott_xP said:

    SCOTUS bottles the tariff decision

    What do you mean? AFAICS they have simply not issued it today.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,263

    World number one Luke Littler has signed a record sponsorship deal for a darts player worth a reported £20m.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/articles/c70leg9rdkpo

    That will buy a few kebabs.

    Luke Fattler?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,659
    edited January 9

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Azerbaijan (despite being besties with its ethnic brethren in Sunni Turkey). Bahrain is majority Shia too.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,416

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Iraq is majority Shia, and Azerbaijan is also Shia.
    I did wonder about Azerbaijan as a bolthole. Can't see Iraq being a 'good idea'!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,468
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    in hindsight, incredible restraint from these ICE officers in this horrific vehicular attack
    https://x.com/CryptoCronkite/status/2009241914881740879

    Amusing as that video is, those aren't ICE officers.
    Clearly not. They are way too athletic
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,263

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Iraq is majority Shia, and Azerbaijan is also Shia.
    I did wonder about Azerbaijan as a bolthole. Can't see Iraq being a 'good idea'!
    Also bear in mind the NW of Iran is dominated by ethnic Azerbaijanis.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,263
    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Sunni and Shia.

    I got you babe.
    Thank you for Cher-ing!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,033

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Iraq is majority Shia, and Azerbaijan is also Shia.
    I did wonder about Azerbaijan as a bolthole. Can't see Iraq being a 'good idea'!
    They don't always get on well with Iran. Iran is suspicious of Azerbaijan because there's a large Azeri population in north-west Iran (more than there are in Azerbaijan).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,133
    Nigelb said:

    For TSE

    A guy chilled himself to -273.15°C; everyone said he was nuts, but he was 0K.

    From absolute zero to absolute hero?
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,887

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Sunni and Shia.

    I got you babe.
    Thank you for Cher-ing!
    No problem, Sunny
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,766
    A strange thought..... I have a few issues with Starmer and Labour to do with authoritarianism and lack of principles but compared to their only realistic opponents- Badenoch's Tories and Farage's fascists- there's no comparison.......

    .......But today I went to see the film 'Hamnet' which is universally liked and I loathed it. I'm a Shakespeare fan and pretty well know Hamlet off by heart. I also like slow paced thoughtful films so all round this film could have been made for me

    ...And then a strange thought hit me: Maybe its not Badenoch and Farage....Maybe it's me!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,055
    Scott_xP said:

    @adampayne26

    WhatsApp mgs leaked to PolHome's
    @zoenora6
    show Labour MPs urging government to quit X amid the Grok scandal

    They say X is "worse than ever, especially for women" and their constituents are on Facebook anyway

    One says it's "surely time to take a stand"

    https://x.com/adampayne26/status/2009629730966823113?s=20

    Amusing that they cite Trump's preference for Truth Social as a precedent.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,133

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Iraq is majority Shia, and Azerbaijan is also Shia.
    I did wonder about Azerbaijan as a bolthole. Can't see Iraq being a 'good idea'!
    Does Azerbaijan need the heat?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,849
    edited January 9

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Foss said:

    Trump says Khamenei planning to flee.

    He is often full of BS, but could be onto something.

    As long as it's not here then that's probably for the best. I wonder if he'll end up in Moscow like Assad?
    Just what Putin needs, a Muslim cleric speaking out of Moscow...
    That the leading lights of the revolution, in Iran, have their Go-Bags packed is well known. For years, they have been buying property abroad, setting up their kids in jobs and universities abroad.
    To be honest, most sensible tyrants have an escape plan of some sort to ensure personal survival given they are mostly cowards. We know there's plenty of property in London owned by wealthy Arabs and if and when the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Bahrainis. Qataris and others decide they no longer want to be ruled by autocrats, said autocrats, albeit down to their last few hundred billion, will doubtless be offered sanctuary in the UK where they can do their bit for the economy by employing the locals to clean their houses, wash their cars etc.
    Strangely, some don't. Some of them meet terrible ends, when rich obscurity and safety was just a private jet flight away.
    Well Saddam and Gaddafi didn't manage to get their boarding passes in time. Assad did, but you have to wonder how much he is really enjoying the hospitality in Moscow.
    I don't think Khamenei will flee. He's 87, his legacy within the theocracy means more than a few years of poor health in Moscow. Though this assumes the regime will fall in his life time, something I doubt. It took Syria a decade to oust Assad even with Western support. Also American bombing might be tricky as their carriers are currently hanging around South America.
    I think he’ll hot foot it out of there at the first serious sign that the regime is crumbling. He won’t want to risk the Gaddafi or Ceausescu treatment.

    It seems exceptionally likely that the regime dies with him in any event, but these protests do appear to be snowballing and the regime is already at its weakest point. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it collapses.
    Is Khameni popular in Afghanistan? Or is he the wrong sort of Muslim?
    Wrong sort! Iran (Shi'a) was fighting the Taliban (Sunni) long before the West was.
    Thanks; I did wonder but couldn't be bothered to do the research. I knew someone here would know! I don't think there's another significant Sunni state, is there?
    Shi'a. There isn't another significant Shi'a state after Iran. Well, Iraq partly is now. Syria was Alawite dominated, and they're a subbranch of Shi'a, but the new government is Sunni-led. There are lots of Sunni states.
    Iraq is majority Shia, and Azerbaijan is also Shia.
    I did wonder about Azerbaijan as a bolthole. Can't see Iraq being a 'good idea'!
    They don't always get on well with Iran. Iran is suspicious of Azerbaijan because there's a large Azeri population in north-west Iran (more than there are in Azerbaijan).
    Israel has strong ties with Azerbaijan* and its widely believed that the Azeri’s helped with the 12 day bombing campaign.

    *see Armenia
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,529
    If Khamenei flees, it surely will be to Moscow. Hard to see anyone else in the region will want the potential trouble.
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