No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
Maduro lost, in 2024. But, he was able to declare himself the winner.
According to the National Electoral Council Maduro won 51% of the vote, even if he didn't though it is up to Venezuelans themselves to start the process to remove him
Christopher Sabatini, senior fellow for Latin America at Chatham House:
"But assuming even if there is regime change-of some sort, and it’s by no means clear even if it does happen that it will be democratic-the US’s military action will likely require sustained US engagement of some sort. Will the Trump White House have the stomach for that?"
If you are China - or Russia for that matter - I’d get you see no harm in ramping up action towards Taiwan or Russia.
Basically, the US has decided it can do want it want, and the international rule book may as well not exist anymore.
It's a total humiliation for Putin and a brutal demonstration that Russia is not a military peer of the US.
Indeed, Russia’s overseas adventures are quickly coming to a close, with the US and China both set to take advantage.
Their allies around the world now see that they can no longer provide security guarantees, thanks to Putin’s misadventures in Ukraine keeping the whole Russian military much closer to home.
Not only that, but the last couple of years have shown that their air defence technology simply isn't that good - a BUK air defence system was one of the targets in Caracas - while the Chinese air defence systems Pakistan has performed better in the conflict with India.
Christopher Sabatini, senior fellow for Latin America at Chatham House:
"But assuming even if there is regime change-of some sort, and it’s by no means clear even if it does happen that it will be democratic-the US’s military action will likely require sustained US engagement of some sort. Will the Trump White House have the stomach for that?"
More on Guardian live blog
Who knows ? Best wait to see what the mad old fart has to say this afternoon.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
How does it give leverage over Canada..
Venezuela is an alternative source of the heavy oil for refining for which the USA is dependent on Canada. So that undermines one of Canada's cards in countering Trump's trade war.
(Responding to the other comment off the cuff, I think that Tim Marshall is perhaps not looking at enough detail or context, but I'll have a listen later.)
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
'Russia’s Foreign Ministry on Saturday condemned what it called a U.S. act of “armed aggression” against Venezuela, urging restraint and warning against further escalation after a series of explosions rocked the capital Caracas early in the morning.
“The pretexts cited to justify these actions are untenable. Ideologically driven hostility has prevailed over practical pragmatism and a willingness to build relations based on trust and predictability,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
Moscow, an ally of Venezuela, called for dialogue and said it was ready to support diplomatic efforts.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
May have the world's largest reserves of hydrocarbons, but much is like boot polish - expensive in energy to extract. Iraq a far more tempting target if you were looking for oil reserves to tie up.
The American actions in Venezuela overnight are unorthodox and contrary to international law — but if they make China and Russia think twice, it may be a good thing.
I hope the Venezuelan people can now turn a new leaf without Maduro.
Will Nigel be appearing on RT to promulgate his unorthodox (for him) view of how many times Russia should be thinking?
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
And that’s why you opposed the bombing of Belgrade?
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
May have the world's largest reserves of hydrocarbons, but much is like boot polish - expensive in energy to extract. Iraq a far more tempting target if you were looking for oil reserves to tie up.
Christopher Sabatini, senior fellow for Latin America at Chatham House:
"But assuming even if there is regime change-of some sort, and it’s by no means clear even if it does happen that it will be democratic-the US’s military action will likely require sustained US engagement of some sort. Will the Trump White House have the stomach for that?"
More on Guardian live blog
I don't really know anything about Venezuela, but this seems key. It's quite possible Trump will bag the win and let the Venezuelan chips fall where they may. But if he wants particular political outcomes in the country he will have to invest in them and I'm not sure he or the US generally has the appetite for that.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
How does it give leverage over Canada..
Venezuela is an alternative source of the heavy oil for refining for which the USA is dependent on Canada. So that undermines one of Canada's cards in countering Trump's trade war.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
May have the world's largest reserves of hydrocarbons, but much is like boot polish - expensive in energy to extract. Iraq a far more tempting target if you were looking for oil reserves to tie up.
It's hard to have any sympathy with the odious Mr Maduro but frankly I am rather nervous.
This is where I am at.
It's akin to the feeling I'd imagine you'd have when meeting the surgeon before the removal of your appendix, only for them to greet you with a Trump-style monologue while attempting to twirl a scalpel that they drop.
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
And that’s why you opposed the bombing of Belgrade?
Have you ever considered that there may be more conversational options than using whataboutery every single time?
If you are China - or Russia for that matter - I’d get you see no harm in ramping up action towards Taiwan or Russia.
Basically, the US has decided it can do want it want, and the international rule book may as well not exist anymore.
It's a total humiliation for Putin and a brutal demonstration that Russia is not a military peer of the US.
Indeed, Russia’s overseas adventures are quickly coming to a close, with the US and China both set to take advantage.
Their allies around the world now see that they can no longer provide security guarantees, thanks to Putin’s misadventures in Ukraine keeping the whole Russian military much closer to home.
Not only that, but the last couple of years have shown that their air defence technology simply isn't that good - a BUK air defence system was one of the targets in Caracas - while the Chinese air defence systems Pakistan has performed better in the conflict with India.
Indeed so, Russian military exports have dropped off a cliff in the last couple of years, as everyone gets to see how badly they perform against even mostly obsolete Western tech.
Perhaps they’ll try exporting horses next, after their latest adventure with cavalry in Ukraine.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
May have the world's largest reserves of hydrocarbons, but much is like boot polish - expensive in energy to extract. Iraq a far more tempting target if you were looking for oil reserves to tie up.
Christopher Sabatini, senior fellow for Latin America at Chatham House:
"But assuming even if there is regime change-of some sort, and it’s by no means clear even if it does happen that it will be democratic-the US’s military action will likely require sustained US engagement of some sort. Will the Trump White House have the stomach for that?"
More on Guardian live blog
I don't really know anything about Venezuela, but this seems key. It's quite possible Trump will bag the win and let the Venezuelan chips fall where they may. But if he wants particular political outcomes in the country he will have to invest in them and I'm not sure he or the US generally has the appetite for that.
It's a bit too early to tell that.
If there's some arrangement with the opposition, it's not completely impossible that a bit of US military help puts them in power.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
The rules based order was always a fairly flimsy facade for America's hegemony. It's just that today's America has a radically different policy. Though one could argue that the transition from world hegemon to dominant regional power was an inevitability - Trump just gives it a face.
Well done to SkyNews for noticing that we are now on day three of an amber warning for snow and ice up here in the North East of Scotland. Its been a few years since we have seen such a heavy dump of snow that has made our local roads so impassable in parts of Aberdeenshire and that have also left the council gritters having to concentrate full time on trying to keep the main routes open and passable during the day while local village roads are still heavily impacted with snow despite being gritted a couple of times a day. A big shout out to our local farmers for doing their bit to help in this wintry weather, you know the weather is bad when you can say you have not seen a car on the road after dusk in our patch for 48 hours.
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
And that’s why you opposed the bombing of Belgrade?
Um. Sometimes you could engage with the point the commentator is making and explain, in your considered opinion, why the UK did, or did not, benefit from the post- War world order?
'Iran's Foreign Ministry on Saturday strongly condemned the U.S. military attack on Venezuela, calling it a "flagrant violation" of the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity.
In a statement, the ministry described the attack as an "act of aggression" and a clear breach of the fundamental principles of the United Nations Charter and international law prohibiting the use of force against sovereign states.' https://english.news.cn/20260103/7bc7b798835648a38504b55c7801117f/c.html
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
Tim Marshall on Sky was just saying any of this talk about oil being a motivation is nonsense as Venezuelas oil is on the very poor quality end and US have access to loads. Its not equivalent to the Middle East.
Milei delighted with the US capture of Maduro though.
'U.S. President Donald Trump announced the arrest and extradition of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, 64 years old, amid which the reactions of Latin American leaders were sharply divided. Argentine President Javier Milei, who has built a strategic close relationship with President Trump, publicly issued a welcoming message, while Colombia and Chile, which share borders with Venezuela, urged the U.S. military to refrain from unilateral military actions, expressing concerns over security and humanitarian crises.
Milei shared a social media post by Trump related to the "arrest of Maduro" on his Instagram account on the 3rd, leaving a short message: "Freedom advances. Long live freedom." Milei, who has consistently labeled Maduro as a "criminal" and "dictator," was interpreted as effectively publicly supporting the U.S. military action, evaluating the situation as a victory for the freedom camp.' https://www.chosun.com/english/world-en/2026/01/03/Z64HCERLBFEKTLXC3G4DBOKS7Y/
It's hard to have any sympathy with the odious Mr Maduro but frankly I am rather nervous.
Have you been running a repressive and corrupt regime having fixed an election ?
If not, you should be OK.
But it's Trump making the decisions. The next places on his target list are:
Iran Panama Canada Greenland
He's erratic, and now he's had a huge confidence boost from the success of this operation. So somewhere is definitely going to be next.
Iran wouldn't upset many. Panama can probably be brushed off - it's only the 70th anniversary of the Suez Crisis this year after all. But Greenland?
He has to ensure a 'smooth and stable transition' in Caracas first, if it turns into terrorism and bombings and riots then US troops will be needed to keep order there potentially for the rest of Trump's term
Christopher Sabatini, senior fellow for Latin America at Chatham House:
"But assuming even if there is regime change-of some sort, and it’s by no means clear even if it does happen that it will be democratic-the US’s military action will likely require sustained US engagement of some sort. Will the Trump White House have the stomach for that?"
More on Guardian live blog
I don't really know anything about Venezuela, but this seems key. It's quite possible Trump will bag the win and let the Venezuelan chips fall where they may. But if he wants particular political outcomes in the country he will have to invest in them and I'm not sure he or the US generally has the appetite for that.
It's a bit too early to tell that.
If there's some arrangement with the opposition, it's not completely impossible that a bit of US military help puts them in power.
Or it could all go pear shaped.
Surely not the woman who stole Donald Trump's Nobel Peace Prize?
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
Starmer doing media pool interview. Was totally in the dark that it was going to happen, and still in the dark about what is going on. Not spoken to Trump. Is waiting to see Trump's press conference later to learn more.
Bit rude of his mate Trump not to drop him a Whatsapp. Or have him in that big Signal group where Pete tells everybody ahead of time the plan of action.
It's hard to have any sympathy with the odious Mr Maduro but frankly I am rather nervous.
Have you been running a repressive and corrupt regime having fixed an election ?
If not, you should be OK.
Indeed.
We now have a situation where a corrupt dictator, crime boss and serially failed President with major health issues whose policies are destroying a once great economy and who only holds power through dubious election results and a passive legal and judicial system...
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
How does it give leverage over Canada..
Venezuela is an alternative source of the heavy oil for refining for which the USA is dependent on Canada. So that undermines one of Canada's cards in countering Trump's trade war.
(Responding to the other comment, I think that Tim Marshall is perhaps not looking at the detail, but I'll have a listen later.)
Not really - How would you get the oil from the east coast to the north mid west where canada's oil is currently used.
Canadian oil is also used in Gulf Coast refineries. AIUI the history is that this has taken up space previously used by Venezuelan Oil when that was run down.
As at 2019/2020, half a million barrels per day. On these numbers that is 20% of Canadian oil imports at that time.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
It's hard to have any sympathy with the odious Mr Maduro but frankly I am rather nervous.
Have you been running a repressive and corrupt regime having fixed an election ?
If not, you should be OK.
But it's Trump making the decisions. The next places on his target list are:
Iran Panama Canada Greenland
He's erratic, and now he's had a huge confidence boost from the success of this operation. So somewhere is definitely going to be next.
Iran wouldn't upset many. Panama can probably be brushed off - it's only the 70th anniversary of the Suez Crisis this year after all. But Greenland?
He has to ensure a 'smooth and stable transition' in Caracas first, if it turns into terrorism and bombings and riots then US troops will be needed to keep order there potentially for the rest of Trump's term
Trump would leave Venezuela to descend into Libyan/Syrian-style chaos and bloodshed rather than put US troops on the ground to be the target for IEDs and snipers.
This is one reason why the references to oil are wide of the mark. Trump doesn't have the stomach for the fight that would be required to secure the oil, and we should be grateful for that at least.
Trump is a TV kinda guy and he has secured his made-for-TV triumph.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
And that’s why you opposed the bombing of Belgrade?
No, i will come back to you on this. The American bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade may, or may not, have been deliberate action by the people doing it, but it wasn't consequence free. It put China and the United States on a conflict path in addition to causing a huge amount of embarrassment at the time. As such it was one of the worst American foreign policy blunders of the post War period.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I wonder whether that explains Farage's surprising equivocation. Could Farage be closer to the Russians than we thought?
No, he just knows many of his supporters are isolationists, as are many MAGA supporters of Trump, so it is a gamble by the US President. Though unlike Farage he cannot stand for election again, so Trump is now just focused on his legacy
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
Milei delighted with the US capture of Maduro though.
'U.S. President Donald Trump announced the arrest and extradition of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, 64 years old, amid which the reactions of Latin American leaders were sharply divided. Argentine President Javier Milei, who has built a strategic close relationship with President Trump, publicly issued a welcoming message, while Colombia and Chile, which share borders with Venezuela, urged the U.S. military to refrain from unilateral military actions, expressing concerns over security and humanitarian crises.
Milei shared a social media post by Trump related to the "arrest of Maduro" on his Instagram account on the 3rd, leaving a short message: "Freedom advances. Long live freedom." Milei, who has consistently labeled Maduro as a "criminal" and "dictator," was interpreted as effectively publicly supporting the U.S. military action, evaluating the situation as a victory for the freedom camp.' https://www.chosun.com/english/world-en/2026/01/03/Z64HCERLBFEKTLXC3G4DBOKS7Y/
Chile doesn't share a border with Venezuela and has just elected a rather 'iffy' far right President.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
Who would agree to stand trial in the US as part of a ‘negotiated exit’? Mixed messages..
Since when did Trump keep his promises ?
Though given Trump set aside via pardon one convicted S American former leader's drug trafficking conviction only weeks ago, Maduro is still in with a shout.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Quite.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Pretty sure every Cold War POTUS would have informed his allies of any impending action as well as the USSR, indeed probably have tried to inveigle said allies into any shitstorm. So much for the value of the special chemistry between Trump and SKS.
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
We have an interest in the continuation of the Maduro regime?
If your answer is that it's against our interests because we have an interest in upholding 'international law', how can you justify the bombing of Belgrade?
The last leader of a Latin American country to end up in a US jail was the former president of Honduras, locked up on drug charges. Trump pardoned him.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Quite.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Pretty sure every Cold War POTUS would have informed his allies of any impending action as well as the USSR, indeed probably have tried to inveigle said allies into any shitstorm. So much for the value of the special chemistry between Trump and SKS.
Venezuala is over the other side of the planet not in Europe and not a British overseas territory, what on earth could Starmer do even if he was informed of the US action?
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Quite.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Pretty sure every Cold War POTUS would have informed his allies of any impending action as well as the USSR, indeed probably have tried to inveigle said allies into any shitstorm. So much for the value of the special chemistry between Trump and SKS.
Did not the US invade Grenada, then a Crown Realm member of the Commonwealth, without Reagan telling Thatcher? (Edit: Ah no, apparently she had three hours warning, but considered that insufficient)
Different rules have always applied as far as the US is concerned with the Western Hemisphere.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Quite.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Pretty sure every Cold War POTUS would have informed his allies of any impending action as well as the USSR, indeed probably have tried to inveigle said allies into any shitstorm. So much for the value of the special chemistry between Trump and SKS.
Did not the US invade Grenada, then a Crown Realm, without Reagan telling Thatcher?
Different rules have always applied as far as the US is concerned with the Western Hemisphere.
Indeed and Venezuela is not a Crown Realm or even in the Commonwealth so completely irrelevant as far as the UK is concerned
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Next: Trump and Vance invade the EU in order to restore free speech, halt mass migration, restore democracy, and end the era of woke decadence that has corrupted Europe. You heard it here first.
The United States needs to stay out of Venezuela. Let the Venezuelan people determine their future. We don't want other countries to choose our leaders--so we have to stop trying to choose theirs. https://x.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1088531713649713153
Next: Trump and Vance invade the EU in order to restore free speech, halt mass migration, restore democracy, and end the era of woke decadence that has corrupted Europe. You heard it here first.
Nah EU politicians are too broke to afford the required donations to be granted their future pardons.
The ‘rules‑based international order’ was underwritten—again, with exceptions—by American military restraint and structured power. That era is over. If Europeans want to preserve it, military power is like a dinner jacket: when it’s required, nothing else will do. https://x.com/HoansSolo/status/2007421203724808219
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Quite.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Pretty sure every Cold War POTUS would have informed his allies of any impending action as well as the USSR, indeed probably have tried to inveigle said allies into any shitstorm. So much for the value of the special chemistry between Trump and SKS.
Did not the US invade Grenada, then a Crown Realm, without Reagan telling Thatcher?
Different rules have always applied as far as the US is concerned with the Western Hemisphere.
According to google told in advance, but Thatcher unhappy at lack of earlier notice (and to be honest them deciding to do it against our advice):
The Sequence of Events Before the invasion: US President Ronald Reagan and his administration had been planning the possibility of an invasion for some time but largely kept the UK government in the dark, citing fears of security leaks. Thatcher and her Foreign Secretary, Geoffrey Howe, were actively counselling against military action in private discussions when the topic of intervention in the region arose. Evening of October 24, 1983: Reagan sent a message to Thatcher at 7:15 pm, stating he was "giving serious consideration" to an invasion. Before she could reply, a second message at 11:00 pm informed her the invasion would go ahead. Early morning of October 25, 1983: Thatcher replied in strong terms just after midnight, asking him to "think most carefully" and arguing the only credible justification (protecting citizens) was not applicable as British and US citizens were not at risk. She also phoned Reagan on a secure line to reiterate her opposition. October 25, 1983: Reagan confirmed at 7:45 am that the US would proceed, and US troops landed at 9:40 am.
No great fan of Maduro but he was elected and about half the people of Venezuela probably still support him.
Not sure if this invasion of Venezuela will be that popular with the US voters and even some of his MAGA base either given Trump promised not to get involved in more wars.
At least one GOP US Senator has already questioned why the action was taken without support from Congress
Putin has condemned the US action and capture of Maduro so the happiest man this morning is probably Zelensky, so it is good news on that front
I don't see an invasion of Venezuela. I see decapitation followed by a "Trump's pocket" regime, in traditional mid-20C banana republic style - but oil companies. They want leverage against Canada.
How does it give leverage over Canada..
Venezuela is an alternative source of the heavy oil for refining for which the USA is dependent on Canada. So that undermines one of Canada's cards in countering Trump's trade war.
(Responding to the other comment, I think that Tim Marshall is perhaps not looking at the detail, but I'll have a listen later.)
Not really - How would you get the oil from the east coast to the north mid west where canada's oil is currently used.
Canadian oil is also used in Gulf Coast refineries. AIUI the history is that this has taken up space previously used by Venezuelan Oil when that was run down.
As at 2019/2020, half a million barrels per day. On these numbers that is 20% of Canadian oil imports at that time.
Correction: I think my 20% is incorrect. Those are strange positions of % totals in that table, which reads horizontally.
I make Canadian heavy crude imports to be 516k barrels per day in 2019, which is 5.7% of imports of oil to the Gulf Coast (which is PADD3) equal to 516/9090, and is 13.5% of Canadian oil imports equal to 516/3815.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Secretaries Rubio and Hegseth looked every Senator in the eye a few weeks ago and said this wasn’t about regime change. I didn’t trust them then and we see now that they blatantly lied to Congress. Trump rejected our Constitutionally required approval process for armed conflict because the Administration knows the American people overwhelmingly reject risks pulling our nation into another war... https://x.com/SenatorAndyKim/status/2007399987596906501
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Quite.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Pretty sure every Cold War POTUS would have informed his allies of any impending action as well as the USSR, indeed probably have tried to inveigle said allies into any shitstorm. So much for the value of the special chemistry between Trump and SKS.
Did not the US invade Grenada, then a Crown Realm member of the Commonwealth, without Reagan telling Thatcher? (Edit: Ah no, apparently she had three hours warning, but considered that insufficient)
Different rules have always applied as far as the US is concerned with the Western Hemisphere.
According to Wiki Reagan warned Thatcher it might happen and gave her 3 hrs notice beforehand. Though she wasn’t happy about it she gave public support.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Of course they’d condemn it publicly! Jesus!
They knew about it and agreed with it so don’t be surprised to see Ukraine further cut off.
Your black and white view of international politics is quaint though, I’ll give you that.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Quite.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Pretty sure every Cold War POTUS would have informed his allies of any impending action as well as the USSR, indeed probably have tried to inveigle said allies into any shitstorm. So much for the value of the special chemistry between Trump and SKS.
Venezuala is over the other side of the planet not in Europe and not a British overseas territory, what on earth could Starmer do even if he was informed of the US action?
Starmer could at least feel a bit better about abasing himself before the Orange Cthulhu.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Of course they’d condemn it! The knew about it and agreed with it don’t be surprised to see Ukraine further cut off.
Your black and white view of international politics is quaint though, I’ll give you that.
Rubbish, you just said in your last post Putin had agreed to hand Maduro to Trump. Yet this very morning Moscow has made clear it condemns the US invasion and stands by Maduro.
If Zelensky has any sense he will now tweet how brilliant Trump's actions were in removing the Putin backed dictator of Venezuela
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Of course they’d condemn it! The knew about it and agreed with it don’t be surprised to see Ukraine further cut off.
Your black and white view of international politics is quaint though, I’ll give you that.
Rubbish, you just said in your last post Putin had agreed to hand Maduro to Trump. This very morning Moscow has made clear it condemns the US invasion and stands by Maduro
And you believe what politicians, especially Russian ones, tell the cameras? Lol.
Do you not think they might be doing that thing called…ummm.. what’s it called? Ah yes. Lying!
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
And that’s why you opposed the bombing of Belgrade?
Um. Sometimes you could engage with the point the commentator is making and explain, in your considered opinion, why the UK did, or did not, benefit from the post- War world order?
Your point is based on a false premise, as my example was intended to illustrate. In any case, the UK was arguably the primary loser of the post-WW2 order.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Rubio is strongly in favour of this action, yes. Supposedly this is because he sees Venezuela as an important source of support for Cuba - so we might expect to see action against Cuba in the future.
I think most of the MAGA base is onside because it's been framed as protecting the US border from smuggling - provided there is no US occupation.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
This is all the precursor to a Ukrainian settlement which will go much further and wider than we think, even if it isn’t formally recorded. The world is about to be carved up into zones of influence again, and nobody is going to have any say on that other than Putin (with Xi in the background) and Trump.
Europe is going to have to step up and hold its own.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Of course they’d condemn it publicly! Jesus!
They knew about it and agreed with it so don’t be surprised to see Ukraine further cut off.
Your black and white view of international politics is quaint though, I’ll give you that.
And how did Putin agree with it ?
Putin was powerless to protect Maduro and has been exposed again.
So where does this leave us? (I.e the UK). Europe has been shown to have been totally irrelevant, so I guess our only option is to go along with the US..
It leaves us seriously adrift. We've cut our ties with Europe and are stuck in a performative alliance with a state acting against our interests.
Trump's cowardice against Putin is against our interests.
Not sure how this morning's actions affect our interests either way?
True. This morning's actions don't materially make the UK's position worse.
Contrary to your position, the UK as an open, middle ranking, somewhat prosperous country benefits from the rule of law internationally. If the rule of law is gone, it has to deal with the situation it finds itself in, but it doesn't have good cards to play right now, hence the continuing abusive relationship with the United States.
The rule of law, internationally, hasn’t gone. It never was.
I disagree, at least as far as the UK's interest is concerned. The UK benefited from a sixty year post War world order and now it no longer does. Hence its suddenly much weakened position internationally.
And that’s why you opposed the bombing of Belgrade?
Um. Sometimes you could engage with the point the commentator is making and explain, in your considered opinion, why the UK did, or did not, benefit from the post- War world order?
Your point is based on a false premise, as my example was intended to illustrate. In any case, the UK was arguably the primary loser of the post-WW2 order.
Keir Starmer should condemn Trump’s illegal action in Venezuela. Maduro is a brutal and illegitimate dictator, but unlawful attacks like this make us all less safe. Trump is giving a green light to the likes of Putin and Xi to attack other countries with impunity.
For once I think Davey is absolutely right here. This will embolden Russia and China rather than worry them.
Russia and China have both condemned the US action. It should at least split Trump a bit from Putin which will be good news for Ukraine
I’d imagine Putin was told this was going to happen. Trump gets free rein in his sphere - Putin his - hence Ukraine in more danger than ever.
Was he? Evidence? It does at least make it unlikely Putin accepts any Trump peace plan which means Zelensky won't be pressured to give up more territory
It’s how international power politics works and has always worked. To envisage that US military action would be taken against a Russian ally without telling them - especially considering the military build-up in the Gulf - is risible.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
Bullshit. It is if anything Rubio pushing this action against Maduro most and he is more anti Putin than Trump, much of the MAGA base will also not be happy at this US intervention overseas in Caracas just as they don't want any intervention in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Of course they’d condemn it! The knew about it and agreed with it don’t be surprised to see Ukraine further cut off.
Your black and white view of international politics is quaint though, I’ll give you that.
Rubbish, you just said in your last post Putin had agreed to hand Maduro to Trump. This very morning Moscow has made clear it condemns the US invasion and stands by Maduro
And you believe what politicians, especially Russian ones, tell the cameras? Lol.
Do you not think they might be doing that thing called…ummm.. what’s it called? Ah yes. Lying!
You have already proved your posts completely inaccurate this morning. Putin has clearly not agreed Trump can have Maduro, indeed Russia has joined Iran and China in openly condemning the US actions today
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"But assuming even if there is regime change-of some sort, and it’s by no means clear even if it does happen that it will be democratic-the US’s military action will likely require sustained US engagement of some sort. Will the Trump White House have the stomach for that?"
More on Guardian live blog
Best wait to see what the mad old fart has to say this afternoon.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/how-venezuelan-crude-could-shake-things-up-for-canadian-producers-9.7019971
(Responding to the other comment off the cuff, I think that Tim Marshall is perhaps not looking at enough detail or context, but I'll have a listen later.)
https://x.com/davenewworld_2/status/2007372939776405800
“The pretexts cited to justify these actions are untenable. Ideologically driven hostility has prevailed over practical pragmatism and a willingness to build relations based on trust and predictability,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
Moscow, an ally of Venezuela, called for dialogue and said it was ready to support diplomatic efforts.
“We reaffirm our solidarity with the Venezuelan people and our support for the course pursued by its Bolivarian leadership to defend the country’s national interests and sovereignty,” the Foreign Ministry said.'
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/01/03/russia-condemns-us-military-strikes-against-venezuela-a91602
This is a brazen attempt to secure control over Venezuelan natural resources.
It is an act of war that puts the lives of millions of people at risk — and should be condemned by anyone who believes in sovereignty and international law.'
https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/2007397883994112062?s=20
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/iraq
If not, you should be OK.
It's akin to the feeling I'd imagine you'd have when meeting the surgeon before the removal of your appendix, only for them to greet you with a Trump-style monologue while attempting to twirl a scalpel that they drop.
Perhaps they’ll try exporting horses next, after their latest adventure with cavalry in Ukraine.
If there's some arrangement with the opposition, it's not completely impossible that a bit of US military help puts them in power.
Or it could all go pear shaped.
https://www.wionews.com/videos/us-venezuela-tensions-china-criticises-us-interference-in-venezuela-crisis-1767420354933
'Iran's Foreign Ministry on Saturday strongly condemned the U.S. military attack on Venezuela, calling it a "flagrant violation" of the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity.
In a statement, the ministry described the attack as an "act of aggression" and a clear breach of the fundamental principles of the United Nations Charter and international law prohibiting the use of force against sovereign states.'
https://english.news.cn/20260103/7bc7b798835648a38504b55c7801117f/c.html
Iran
Panama
Canada
Greenland
He's erratic, and now he's had a huge confidence boost from the success of this operation. So somewhere is definitely going to be next.
Iran wouldn't upset many. Panama can probably be brushed off - it's only the 70th anniversary of the Suez Crisis this year after all. But Greenland?
'U.S. President Donald Trump announced the arrest and extradition of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, 64 years old, amid which the reactions of Latin American leaders were sharply divided. Argentine President Javier Milei, who has built a strategic close relationship with President Trump, publicly issued a welcoming message, while Colombia and Chile, which share borders with Venezuela, urged the U.S. military to refrain from unilateral military actions, expressing concerns over security and humanitarian crises.
Milei shared a social media post by Trump related to the "arrest of Maduro" on his Instagram account on the 3rd, leaving a short message: "Freedom advances. Long live freedom." Milei, who has consistently labeled Maduro as a "criminal" and "dictator," was interpreted as effectively publicly supporting the U.S. military action, evaluating the situation as a victory for the freedom camp.'
https://www.chosun.com/english/world-en/2026/01/03/Z64HCERLBFEKTLXC3G4DBOKS7Y/
Frank isn't on that list.
https://x.com/OzKaterji/status/2007401074744013306
Bit rude of his mate Trump not to drop him a Whatsapp. Or have him in that big Signal group where Pete tells everybody ahead of time the plan of action.
We now have a situation where a corrupt dictator, crime boss and serially failed President with major health issues whose policies are destroying a once great economy and who only holds power through dubious election results and a passive legal and judicial system...
...has kidnapped the President of Venezuela.
As at 2019/2020, half a million barrels per day. On these numbers that is 20% of Canadian oil imports at that time.
PADD 3 U.S. Gulf Coast remains the prime customer for Canada’s heavy oil producers, including diluted bitumen from the oil sands. The region’s refineries are best designed to handle heavy sour grades, offering the best purchase prices for the world’s heavy oil benchmarks. Almost 100% of Canadian crude oil exports into the U.S. Gulf Coast are heavy. This is precisely why completion of Keystone XL is of critical importance to a region with refineries that are hungry for heavy crude feedstock. (Oil Sands Magazine, 2020)
https://energynow.ca/2021/06/analyzing-the-contributions-of-the-canadian-crude-oil-sector-to-u-s-petroleum-refineries/#:~:text=Canadian crude as a percentage,According to OSM,
Venezuela opposition source says that last night’s operation was a “negotiated exit” agreement between Maduro and the US.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2007391482341404938
Said to be first photo of Maduro in custody.
https://x.com/maks_nafo_fella/status/2007402548043636884
Sec Rubio said to have told Sen Mike Lee that the operation was a one-off, with the aim of getting Maduro out to stand trial in the US.
https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2007395531023352319
This is one reason why the references to oil are wide of the mark. Trump doesn't have the stomach for the fight that would be required to secure the oil, and we should be grateful for that at least.
Trump is a TV kinda guy and he has secured his made-for-TV triumph.
Mixed messages..
We don't think Trump has stitched them up with the Art of the Deal promising them safe passage out of Venzeula only to deploy lawfare?
The exception that proves the rule as it were.
We are reverting to the Cold War, but with the rules of engagement governed by even more self-interest than ideology.
Though given Trump set aside via pardon one convicted S American former leader's drug trafficking conviction only weeks ago, Maduro is still in with a shout.
Besides I doubt Trump's conscience, Stephen Miller requires sleep let alone time to gather his thoughts.
Different rules have always applied as far as the US is concerned with the Western Hemisphere.
It is patently clear Trump is throwing Ukraine to the wolves as a deal to allow him to settle his scores in South America. What did Trump and Putin talk about the other week do you think? Maybe Putin gave him Maduro - and made it clear to Maduro that he’s gone. On the proviso Trump gets him and no more.
Trump gets his press conference and a “victory” and then the world moves on. As it will.
Trump is a dealer. A trader. This is what this is.
You heard it here first.
The United States needs to stay out of Venezuela. Let the Venezuelan people determine their future. We don't want other countries to choose our leaders--so we have to stop trying to choose theirs.
https://x.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1088531713649713153
https://x.com/HoansSolo/status/2007421203724808219
The Sequence of Events
Before the invasion: US President Ronald Reagan and his administration had been planning the possibility of an invasion for some time but largely kept the UK government in the dark, citing fears of security leaks. Thatcher and her Foreign Secretary, Geoffrey Howe, were actively counselling against military action in private discussions when the topic of intervention in the region arose.
Evening of October 24, 1983: Reagan sent a message to Thatcher at 7:15 pm, stating he was "giving serious consideration" to an invasion. Before she could reply, a second message at 11:00 pm informed her the invasion would go ahead.
Early morning of October 25, 1983: Thatcher replied in strong terms just after midnight, asking him to "think most carefully" and arguing the only credible justification (protecting citizens) was not applicable as British and US citizens were not at risk. She also phoned Reagan on a secure line to reiterate her opposition.
October 25, 1983: Reagan confirmed at 7:45 am that the US would proceed, and US troops landed at 9:40 am.
I make Canadian heavy crude imports to be 516k barrels per day in 2019, which is 5.7% of imports of oil to the Gulf Coast (which is PADD3) equal to 516/9090, and is 13.5% of Canadian oil imports equal to 516/3815.
The Russian Foreign Ministry have already issued a statement condemning the US actions in Venezuala as a breach of international law and Moscow has made clear it stands by Maduro
Secretaries Rubio and Hegseth looked every Senator in the eye a few weeks ago and said this wasn’t about regime change. I didn’t trust them then and we see now that they blatantly lied to Congress. Trump rejected our Constitutionally required approval process for armed conflict because the Administration knows the American people overwhelmingly reject risks pulling our nation into another war...
https://x.com/SenatorAndyKim/status/2007399987596906501
They knew about it and agreed with it so don’t be surprised to see Ukraine further cut off.
Your black and white view of international politics is quaint though, I’ll give you that.
‘See, it’s still a special relationship!’
If Zelensky has any sense he will now tweet how brilliant Trump's actions were in removing the Putin backed dictator of Venezuela
Do you not think they might be doing that thing called…ummm.. what’s it called? Ah yes. Lying!
I think most of the MAGA base is onside because it's been framed as protecting the US border from smuggling - provided there is no US occupation.
The BBC wants us to think it’s impartial.
The US claims it’s civilised.
Farmers believe 20% over £5m is still too much tax.
We all have our own truth.
Europe is going to have to step up and hold its own.
Putin was powerless to protect Maduro and has been exposed again.