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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,855
    Maccabi Tel Aviv won't accept any tickets for Villa.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,328

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    Garnering the spirit of the ephemeral nature of French Prime Ministerial tenures:

    The Three Trussketeers.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,245
    isam said:

    Please let this happen. I’d take Arsenal finishing second again

    This evening I have received new and important information on #beergate

    This concerns Sir Beer Korma

    More to come in the near future…


    https://x.com/rosskempsell/status/1980363442533101913?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    If he is found to have lied about this to wriggle out of it, all the humble pie that has ever been made, and all that ever will be won’t be enough

    Who is Ross Kempsall? Three and a half years too late, but a good effort, I'm sure.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,491

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    The French Con-Election?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,657
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
    "Steppin' Razor" is a nickname for the character Molly Millions in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer. It is used by a Rastafarian space pilot and is presumably a reference to the reggae song of the same name by Peter Tosh, given that Molly has razor-sharp blades implanted under her fingernails. When Malmesbury(?) said "I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet", this was also a reference to the novels in the Sprawl trilogy, of which Neuromancer is one. In the Sprawl trilogy, two AIs - Wintermute and Neuromancer - unite/fight/fission and take over cyberspace, a digital visualisation of the internet, and manifest in the later books as voodoo gods.

    I have seven copies of the four books in the trilogy, but they are so old now I hesitate to take them down.
    I have no knowledge of the books of which you speak, but highly recommend Peter Tosh's 1977 albumn "Equal Rights" from which the track "Steppin'Razor" comes. It's up there with the rather more roots "Blackheart Man" as the best reggae albumn of all time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    I'll come up with some suggestions as I am well known for my brilliantly subtle headlines.
    "C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas Daguerre"
    - It won't be a photo finish...
  • TresTres Posts: 3,141

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    That was a very strange move by Kemi. Surely she must know that the Trump phenomenon isn't particularly popular over here, and ICE must be one of the least popular elements of that phenomenon. And if she doesn't know that where's she getting her information from?
    right-wing billionaire run social media
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,701
    edited October 20
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
    "Steppin' Razor" is a nickname for the character Molly Millions in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer. It is used by a Rastafarian space pilot and is presumably a reference to the reggae song of the same name by Peter Tosh, given that Molly has razor-sharp blades implanted under her fingernails. When Malmesbury(?) said "I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet", this was also a reference to the novels in the Sprawl trilogy, of which Neuromancer is one. In the Sprawl trilogy, two AIs - Wintermute and Neuromancer - unite/fight/fission and take over cyberspace, a digital visualisation of the internet, and manifest in the later books as voodoo gods.

    I have seven copies of the four books in the trilogy, but they are so old now I hesitate to take them down.
    The "Cornell pastiche boxes" might also be a reference, since the non-human entities in the Sprawl trilogy are a but whimsical/philosophical, and I think one of them did things like that, but it's been a long time...

    Let me check...

    Yup, I just cracked the less-fragile copy of Count Zero, and yes, they're in it. A young, hungry female art researcher is given an ungodly commission by a very-ill wealthy older man to track one down. Of course, that's just a cover for What's Really Going On. :)

    Actually the fact that an AI was making Better-Than-Cornell boxes was what convinced Virek that the Ai had truly achieved something beyond humanity.

    Which is why it was worth capturing/bargaining with.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,528

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z
    The round tripping that is going on from Nvidia should worry everybody with money in the markets.
    Your out of date there I posted Ed's article as it came out...

    What should really scare anyone investing in LLMs is the bottom of the article, the costs aren't training costs it's day to day running costs - basically sales and costs are aligned so unless LLMs can massively increase their prices (which they can't) they will never generate profits
    Yes I am well aware of that. The inference costs are large in terms of GPU cycles / power demand, but also what they are finding is hammering these GPUs to such an enormous extent, they are going through GPUs like no tomorrow. So it isn't a matter of you spent $5bn on a GPU cluster that is basically the major investment done and dusted, you will every day need to be replacing significant numbers of $25k a pop GPUs as they keep breaking down.

    There was a good video a few months ago doing some rough calcs and basically $200 / month doesn't touch the sides as it works it way up the chain of infrastructure that is required to facilitate the inference.
    The way I see it is there will be an equilibrium whereby some combination of improved monetising (search style payments for click through links), subscriptions and improved efficiency (not just making LLMs bigger and bigger) whereby LLMs will be profitable for a small number of companies.

    We've got a long way to go before then.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,900

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    Le chalice empoisonné?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,842

    Prince Andrew’s team tried to hire “internet trolls to hassle” his accuser, Virginia Giuffre, while he hid behind the “well-guarded gates” of Balmoral Castle to avoid being served court papers, according to allegations in her posthumous memoir.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/20/prince-andrew-internet-trolls-virginia-giuffre-book-nobodys-girl

    At best, he is going to end up in a bedsit known only as Andy from Windsor. No way Charles / William can keep paying for his massive home etc.

    He's lucky he isnt in prison.

    Typical of Starmer that Labour are so weak and confused on this.
    Sanctioning him and offering him up to the US authorities would be popular!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,256

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    I'll come up with some suggestions as I am well known for my brilliantly subtle headlines.
    I'd go for "The Girondins And The Ancien Regime", but that's really obscure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_groups_in_the_French_Revolution

    If you can't squeeze a French Revolution reference, try jokes like "Not Tonight, Marine" or "Men Of French Letters"

    There's nobody called "Dreyfus", "Petain" or even "Clouseau", so I'm stuck. Johnny Hallyday est mort. I hate Jean-Luc Godard. Truffaut is little spoken of these days, malheureusement. Hmmm

    Ah. This might work. You may have heard of The New French Extremity, a film movement that produced some very unpleasant/disgusting films which I shall not list.

    So you can use "The New French Extremity" or "The New New French Extremity" as your title.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,367
    edited October 20
    Ratters said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    lol
    Sunk all your money in to OpenAI shares, have you?
    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z
    The round tripping that is going on from Nvidia should worry everybody with money in the markets.
    Your out of date there I posted Ed's article as it came out...

    What should really scare anyone investing in LLMs is the bottom of the article, the costs aren't training costs it's day to day running costs - basically sales and costs are aligned so unless LLMs can massively increase their prices (which they can't) they will never generate profits
    Yes I am well aware of that. The inference costs are large in terms of GPU cycles / power demand, but also what they are finding is hammering these GPUs to such an enormous extent, they are going through GPUs like no tomorrow. So it isn't a matter of you spent $5bn on a GPU cluster that is basically the major investment done and dusted, you will every day need to be replacing significant numbers of $25k a pop GPUs as they keep breaking down.

    There was a good video a few months ago doing some rough calcs and basically $200 / month doesn't touch the sides as it works it way up the chain of infrastructure that is required to facilitate the inference.
    The way I see it is there will be an equilibrium whereby some combination of improved monetising (search style payments for click through links), subscriptions and improved efficiency (not just making LLMs bigger and bigger) whereby LLMs will be profitable for a small number of companies.

    We've got a long way to go before then.
    One of the big issues at the moment is the "chain of thought" mode i.e. sending the output back in as input. Generating tokens is the expensive part of the operation, so now you have gone from somebody typing a wrote of 20-30 words and it perhaps generating a responsible for a few 100 words, to some even very simple prompts generating 1000s and 1000s of tokens.

    If you look at how they solve the "how many states in the US have i in the name". The last time I tried it, it took 11 steps, was writing python code, then sending the output generated by that into something else, then getting it wrong, fixing it, rebuilding code, ......
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,375

    Prince Andrew has not paid rent on Royal Lodge for two decades

    The Times obtained a copy of the leasehold agreement for Royal Lodge, revealing the terms under which the prince lives on the 30-room estate.

    It states that, while the prince paid £1 million for the lease plus at least £7.5 million for refurbishments completed in 2005, he has paid “one peppercorn (if demanded)” in rent per year, since 2003.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-rent-free-windsor-mansion-rbrgfjkrr

    Bloody scroungers.

    We don't know he hasn't paid rent. Maybe the King has requested the peppercorn.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,328
    viewcode said:

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    I'll come up with some suggestions as I am well known for my brilliantly subtle headlines.
    I'd go for "The Girondins And The Ancien Regime", but that's really obscure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_groups_in_the_French_Revolution

    If you can't squeeze a French Revolution reference, try jokes like "Not Tonight, Marine" or "Men Of French Letters"

    There's nobody called "Dreyfus", "Petain" or even "Clouseau", so I'm stuck. Johnny Hallyday est mort. I hate Jean-Luc Godard. Truffaut is little spoken of these days, malheureusement. Hmmm

    Ah. This might work. You may have heard of The New French Extremity, a film movement that produced some very unpleasant/disgusting films which I shall not list.

    So you can use "The New French Extremity" or "The New New French Extremity" as your title.
    Crapillon :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,328
    O/T

    Over the last couple of weeks, I've binged on the 80s cartoon "Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds" (all 26 episodes available online!), and that in turn inspired me to re-read a decent translation of The Thee Musketeers.

    Next on my cartoon list is "The Mysterious Cities of Gold".
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,256

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
    "Steppin' Razor" is a nickname for the character Molly Millions in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer. It is used by a Rastafarian space pilot and is presumably a reference to the reggae song of the same name by Peter Tosh, given that Molly has razor-sharp blades implanted under her fingernails. When Malmesbury(?) said "I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet", this was also a reference to the novels in the Sprawl trilogy, of which Neuromancer is one. In the Sprawl trilogy, two AIs - Wintermute and Neuromancer - unite/fight/fission and take over cyberspace, a digital visualisation of the internet, and manifest in the later books as voodoo gods.

    I have seven copies of the four books in the trilogy, but they are so old now I hesitate to take them down.
    The "Cornell pastiche boxes" might also be a reference, since the non-human entities in the Sprawl trilogy are a but whimsical/philosophical, and I think one of them did things like that, but it's been a long time...

    Let me check...

    Yup, I just cracked the less-fragile copy of Count Zero, and yes, they're in it. A young, hungry female art researcher is given an ungodly commission by a very-ill wealthy older man to track one down. Of course, that's just a cover for What's Really Going On. :)

    Actually the fact that an AI was making Better-Than-Cornell boxes was what convinced Virek that the Ai had truly achieved something beyond humanity.

    Which is why it was worth capturing/bargaining with.
    I go to the library most Saturdays, and when I was there a few weeks ago I picked up Neuromancer to read whilst having nibbles. Although it has obviously dated, it's really readable and thick with atmosphere and world building and great fun. When you get a chance, reread the Sprawl books.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    Aukus appears still to be a thing.

    Albanese at the White House: Trump endorses Aukus, signs $8.5bn rare earths deal and calls PM ‘great leader’
    President says US has no better friend than Australia but tells ambassador Kevin Rudd “I don’t like you’
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/oct/20/albanese-at-the-white-house-trump-endorses-aukus-signs-85bn-rare-earths-deal-and-calls-pm-great-leader
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,367
    edited October 20

    O/T

    Over the last couple of weeks, I've binged on the 80s cartoon "Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds" (all 26 episodes available online!), and that in turn inspired me to re-read a decent translation of The Thee Musketeers.

    Next on my cartoon list is "The Mysterious Cities of Gold".

    There was only 26 episodes. I genuinely thought it was one of those cartoons that had absolutely loads and loads of episodes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.

    LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.

    They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.

    I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet or make Cornell pastiche boxes for LOLs.

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
    Several times, Sunil.
    {Steppin’ Razor has entered the chat}
    ???
    "Steppin' Razor" is a nickname for the character Molly Millions in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer. It is used by a Rastafarian space pilot and is presumably a reference to the reggae song of the same name by Peter Tosh, given that Molly has razor-sharp blades implanted under her fingernails. When Malmesbury(?) said "I’m still waiting for AI to become voodoo gods on the internet", this was also a reference to the novels in the Sprawl trilogy, of which Neuromancer is one. In the Sprawl trilogy, two AIs - Wintermute and Neuromancer - unite/fight/fission and take over cyberspace, a digital visualisation of the internet, and manifest in the later books as voodoo gods.

    I have seven copies of the four books in the trilogy, but they are so old now I hesitate to take them down.
    The "Cornell pastiche boxes" might also be a reference, since the non-human entities in the Sprawl trilogy are a but whimsical/philosophical, and I think one of them did things like that, but it's been a long time...

    Let me check...

    Yup, I just cracked the less-fragile copy of Count Zero, and yes, they're in it. A young, hungry female art researcher is given an ungodly commission by a very-ill wealthy older man to track one down. Of course, that's just a cover for What's Really Going On. :)

    Actually the fact that an AI was making Better-Than-Cornell boxes was what convinced Virek that the Ai had truly achieved something beyond humanity.

    Which is why it was worth capturing/bargaining with.
    I go to the library most Saturdays, and when I was there a few weeks ago I picked up Neuromancer to read whilst having nibbles. Although it has obviously dated, it's really readable and thick with atmosphere and world building and great fun. When you get a chance, reread the Sprawl books.
    The technology was a bit dodgy, but the aesthetics were cutting edge.
  • Scott_xP said:


    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z

    The round tripping that is going on from Nvidia should worry everybody with money in the markets.
    They very much should be worried. NVidia's CEO Jensen Huang is confident in his ability to take risks and get them to pay off. He sees AI as the critical inflection point that will secure the company's dominance, vindicating his long held agenda of prioritising compute performance in their GPUs over graphics. After all, that policy made Nvidia a lots of money in the crypto boom and is making them even more now.

    He's essentially betting there's some way to get the inference costs of AI under control to the extent that providing LLMs as a subscription service becomes very profitable. If he's right, those round trip deals are a good way of making sure NVidia hardware continues to be core to the whole AI industry. It's notable that AMD, which has more risk-averse management than NVidia, has been rather more cautious in their approach to this.

    If Huang is wrong (and there's no sign of that cost miracle yet) then the whole industry will implode in a year or two when it runs out of other people's money, and that's going to be the mother and father of a shitstorm.

    I'll be interesting to see how the US reacts politically if the AI bubble pops, markets crash and the economy does an impression of Wile E Coyote running off a cliff.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,140
    edited October 20

    O/T

    Over the last couple of weeks, I've binged on the 80s cartoon "Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds" (all 26 episodes available online!), and that in turn inspired me to re-read a decent translation of The Thee Musketeers.

    Next on my cartoon list is "The Mysterious Cities of Gold".

    Used to watch both of those on Children's BBC. The theme tunes are good. Very memorable. Also Willy Fogg.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,468

    Prince Andrew has not paid rent on Royal Lodge for two decades

    The Times obtained a copy of the leasehold agreement for Royal Lodge, revealing the terms under which the prince lives on the 30-room estate.

    It states that, while the prince paid £1 million for the lease plus at least £7.5 million for refurbishments completed in 2005, he has paid “one peppercorn (if demanded)” in rent per year, since 2003.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/prince-andrew-rent-free-windsor-mansion-rbrgfjkrr

    Bloody scroungers.

    We don't know he hasn't paid rent. Maybe the King has requested the peppercorn.
    I would assume the King is repulsed by Andrew's seed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    Trump nominee says MLK Jr. holiday belongs in ‘hell’ and that he has ‘Nazi streak,’ according to texts
    Paul Ingrassia’s bid to lead a whistleblower agency is set for a Senate confirmation hearing Thursday
    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/20/paul-ingrassia-racist-text-messages-nazi-00613608
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,657
    dixiedean said:

    Maccabi Tel Aviv won't accept any tickets for Villa.

    Yes, that seems to be true.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,579

    Scott_xP said:


    Exclusive: Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services in the first three quarters of 2025, around 100% of their estimated revenue. Its costs appear to increase with their revenue, showing little path to profitability.

    https://bsky.app/profile/edzitron.com/post/3m3n4inva5k2z

    The round tripping that is going on from Nvidia should worry everybody with money in the markets.
    They very much should be worried. NVidia's CEO Jensen Huang is confident in his ability to take risks and get them to pay off. He sees AI as the critical inflection point that will secure the company's dominance, vindicating his long held agenda of prioritising compute performance in their GPUs over graphics. After all, that policy made Nvidia a lots of money in the crypto boom and is making them even more now.

    He's essentially betting there's some way to get the inference costs of AI under control to the extent that providing LLMs as a subscription service becomes very profitable. If he's right, those round trip deals are a good way of making sure NVidia hardware continues to be core to the whole AI industry. It's notable that AMD, which has more risk-averse management than NVidia, has been rather more cautious in their approach to this.

    If Huang is wrong (and there's no sign of that cost miracle yet) then the whole industry will implode in a year or two when it runs out of other people's money, and that's going to be the mother and father of a shitstorm.

    I'll be interesting to see how the US reacts politically if the AI bubble pops, markets crash and the economy does an impression of Wile E Coyote running off a cliff.
    You can run a half-decent LLM on a laptop these days, as I think you noted earlier. Optimising performance for certain functions seems like the way to go, which is not a path that makes NVidia lots of money.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,140
    "Prince Andrew deemed a threat by security services
    Concerns about the royal’s links to alleged Chinese spies reached highest levels of government, say sources"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2025/10/20/prince-andrew-deemed-threat-by-security-services
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,262
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,656
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Police didn't bring charges, but advised him to be 'Careful Now'.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,328
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Over the last couple of weeks, I've binged on the 80s cartoon "Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds" (all 26 episodes available online!), and that in turn inspired me to re-read a decent translation of The Thee Musketeers.

    Next on my cartoon list is "The Mysterious Cities of Gold".

    Used to watch both of those on Children's BBC. The theme tunes are good. Very memorable. Also Willy Fogg.
    Yes, of course. But best of all was another cartoon epic: Ulysses 31.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,579
    Nigelb said:

    Trump nominee says MLK Jr. holiday belongs in ‘hell’ and that he has ‘Nazi streak,’ according to texts
    Paul Ingrassia’s bid to lead a whistleblower agency is set for a Senate confirmation hearing Thursday
    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/20/paul-ingrassia-racist-text-messages-nazi-00613608

    Senate Republicans all misplaced their spines a while back. He’ll probably still get approved.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,468
    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    They were introduced after a recommendation by the Stephen Lawrence report. Not the argument, but the genesis.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,657
    There is no better visual metaphor for this [Trump] era

    https://bsky.app/profile/goldengateblond.bsky.social/post/3m3nlmgbo4k2p

    Trump demolishing the East Wing of the White House. It seems now permission is required despite the historic nature of the building.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,328

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Police didn't bring charges, but advised him to be 'Careful Now'.
    "What's that, then, Ted?"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716
    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    Sort of pre-crime flagger? Maybe some of that. Also deterrence? If you know there's a fair chance of something official coming your way if you racially abuse someone you might be less likely to do it? But I don't actually know. I think the Lawrence case was a contributor.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,262
    carnforth said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    They were introduced after a recommendation by the Stephen Lawrence report. Not the argument, but the genesis.
    I wonder if it's a result of us losing local cops who would know the local wrong 'uns and keep an eye on them. I know in my home town there was a fair bit of informal "keeping of the peace" that would be difficult to perform in a big city.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,395
    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,140
    Manhunter just starting on BBC2, probably the most perfectly mid-80s movie ever made.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,262

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,800
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    Sort of pre-crime flagger? Maybe some of that. Also deterrence? If you know there's a fair chance of something official coming your way if you racially abuse someone you might be less likely to do it? But I don't actually know. I think the Lawrence case was a contributor.
    I think it’s social engineering. People not conforming get a flag that progressively worsens their life, perhaps by cropping up when said person tries for a job.

    And stepping away from race, it’s use in regards of contested areas such as trans is a sure sign of something deeply wrong.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,800
    Andy_JS said:

    Manhunter just starting on BBC2, probably the most perfectly mid-80s movie ever made.

    I’d go for Highlander if pressed.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,395

    On topic, my one word descriptions would be:

    Starmer - Drowning
    Badenoch - Underwhelming
    Farage - Marmite
    Davey - Vanilla

    And as for the rest:

    Polanski - Student
    Corbyn - Unbending
    Swinney - Caretaker
    Iorweth - Forgettable

    Who’s Iorweth?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,579

    On topic, my one word descriptions would be:

    Starmer - Drowning
    Badenoch - Underwhelming
    Farage - Marmite
    Davey - Vanilla

    And as for the rest:

    Polanski - Student
    Corbyn - Unbending
    Swinney - Caretaker
    Iorweth - Forgettable

    Who’s Iorweth?
    I’ve forgotten.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,245

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Over the last couple of weeks, I've binged on the 80s cartoon "Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds" (all 26 episodes available online!), and that in turn inspired me to re-read a decent translation of The Thee Musketeers.

    Next on my cartoon list is "The Mysterious Cities of Gold".

    Used to watch both of those on Children's BBC. The theme tunes are good. Very memorable. Also Willy Fogg.
    Yes, of course. But best of all was another cartoon epic: Ulysses 31.

    Halas and Bachelor animations were very good. Mainly sixties and seventies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halas_and_Batchelor
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,245

    On topic, my one word descriptions would be:

    Starmer - Drowning
    Badenoch - Underwhelming
    Farage - Marmite
    Davey - Vanilla

    And as for the rest:

    Polanski - Student
    Corbyn - Unbending
    Swinney - Caretaker
    Iorweth - Forgettable

    Who’s Iorweth?
    Rhun ap Iorweth's dad. "Ap" being son of.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,440
    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    This is precisely what was predicted on this forum months ago. And why the deal was such a terrible idea.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,440
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    We TOLD you this at the beginning. The whole thing is a treacherous piece of fuckery by a British Establishment (on both sides) desperate to curry favour and make money out of China, by selling us out, and by selling everything we own. All can go

    It is a disgrace and it needs serious investigation. And, on top of that, the Chagos deal needs reversing ASAFP

    The moment it is done, China will move in, and western security is compromised in the most critical place on earth, arguably

    How can this be not-obvious to people like you??
    It is a disgrace. The one group of people to whom a major injustice was done - the Chagossians - get jack shit out of the agreement.

    The beneficiary is - as predicted - China.

    We will find out, in the years to come, that many Mauritius politicians and ICJ judges were in their pay.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,514

    Andy_JS said:

    Manhunter just starting on BBC2, probably the most perfectly mid-80s movie ever made.

    I’d go for Highlander if pressed.
    Repoman, Robocop, Blue Velvet or The Cook, The Thief.

    Fight!

    Somewhat related - I was thinking to myself the other week how much "Betty Blue" has faded. I don't think I know any 'young people' who even know it exists.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,140

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    We TOLD you this at the beginning. The whole thing is a treacherous piece of fuckery by a British Establishment (on both sides) desperate to curry favour and make money out of China, by selling us out, and by selling everything we own. All can go

    It is a disgrace and it needs serious investigation. And, on top of that, the Chagos deal needs reversing ASAFP

    The moment it is done, China will move in, and western security is compromised in the most critical place on earth, arguably

    How can this be not-obvious to people like you??
    It is a disgrace. The one group of people to whom a major injustice was done - the Chagossians - get jack shit out of the agreement.

    The beneficiary is - as predicted - China.

    We will find out, in the years to come, that many Mauritius politicians and ICJ judges were in their pay.
    Farage is going to be PM because of nonsense like this Chagos Deal.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,395
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,262

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    If you're putting ICE in a sentence we know exactly what you're alluding to. Get real.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,442

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    We could call it Border Force perhaps? Brilliant innovation, bound to sort it all out.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,440
    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    We TOLD you this at the beginning. The whole thing is a treacherous piece of fuckery by a British Establishment (on both sides) desperate to curry favour and make money out of China, by selling us out, and by selling everything we own. All can go

    It is a disgrace and it needs serious investigation. And, on top of that, the Chagos deal needs reversing ASAFP

    The moment it is done, China will move in, and western security is compromised in the most critical place on earth, arguably

    How can this be not-obvious to people like you??
    It is a disgrace. The one group of people to whom a major injustice was done - the Chagossians - get jack shit out of the agreement.

    The beneficiary is - as predicted - China.

    We will find out, in the years to come, that many Mauritius politicians and ICJ judges were in their pay.
    Farage is going to be PM because of nonsense like this Chagos Deal.
    I suspect Farage's mainstay of support is isolationist. This is a geopolitical issue that has low resonance, and most people probably don't care - wrongly, IMHO - but that might change if it gets out that our security has been badly compromised because Starmer was played and we have all been fleeced for the privilege.

    Because he has.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    Sort of pre-crime flagger? Maybe some of that. Also deterrence? If you know there's a fair chance of something official coming your way if you racially abuse someone you might be less likely to do it? But I don't actually know. I think the Lawrence case was a contributor.
    I think it’s social engineering. People not conforming get a flag that progressively worsens their life, perhaps by cropping up when said person tries for a job.

    And stepping away from race, it’s use in regards of contested areas such as trans is a sure sign of something deeply wrong.
    I wouldn't describe abusing someone for their race, gender, religion etc as 'not conforming'. That awards an unmerited gravitas to uncomplex sicko behaviour. I think most NCHIs are of that nature rather than the expression of an opinion. But I could be wrong. I haven't looked into it much.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,514
    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    They were introduced after a recommendation by the Stephen Lawrence report. Not the argument, but the genesis.
    I wonder if it's a result of us losing local cops who would know the local wrong 'uns and keep an eye on them. I know in my home town there was a fair bit of informal "keeping of the peace" that would be difficult to perform in a big city.
    I know in my home town - the house all the kids knew was just the place you don't go near mysteriously caught on fire one day.

    The local police wouldn't let the fire brigade near it until they'd salvaged all the files and folders.

    This was, and it's so obvious I'm sure I don't even need to mention it, 100% not at the behest of the local council leader. Who also was 100% not the leader of the local Orange lodge.

    And the Chief Constable was also not 100% in any way in that same lodge.

    Just to be clear.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,395
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    If you're putting ICE in a sentence we know exactly what you're alluding to. Get real.
    Badenoch is not going to introduce masked and armed lawbreakers on to the British streets to detain people on sight. It’s just not going to happen.

    So either she was lying, or she has been misrepresented or a bit of both.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,262

    Andy_JS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
    Time to tell Mauritius to do one.

    China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.

    The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.

    This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.

    https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003

    We TOLD you this at the beginning. The whole thing is a treacherous piece of fuckery by a British Establishment (on both sides) desperate to curry favour and make money out of China, by selling us out, and by selling everything we own. All can go

    It is a disgrace and it needs serious investigation. And, on top of that, the Chagos deal needs reversing ASAFP

    The moment it is done, China will move in, and western security is compromised in the most critical place on earth, arguably

    How can this be not-obvious to people like you??
    It is a disgrace. The one group of people to whom a major injustice was done - the Chagossians - get jack shit out of the agreement.

    The beneficiary is - as predicted - China.

    We will find out, in the years to come, that many Mauritius politicians and ICJ judges were in their pay.
    Farage is going to be PM because of nonsense like this Chagos Deal.
    I suspect Farage's mainstay of support is isolationist. This is a geopolitical issue that has low resonance, and most people probably don't care - wrongly, IMHO - but that might change if it gets out that our security has been badly compromised because Starmer was played and we have all been fleeced for the privilege.

    Because he has.
    I think that's right - most people don't really care, and Reform voters least of all. It's really "rightish dads" that are kicking up a fuss.

    I probably care about it more than most Reform voters tbh.
  • Foxy said:

    There is no better visual metaphor for this [Trump] era

    https://bsky.app/profile/goldengateblond.bsky.social/post/3m3nlmgbo4k2p

    Trump demolishing the East Wing of the White House. It seems now permission is required despite the historic nature of the building.

    I thought Federal spending was halted?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    Why did she say 'ICE' then? And she's got form for simpering about Trump.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,262

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    If you're putting ICE in a sentence we know exactly what you're alluding to. Get real.
    Badenoch is not going to introduce masked and armed lawbreakers on to the British streets to detain people on sight. It’s just not going to happen.

    So either she was lying, or she has been misrepresented or a bit of both.
    She made the choice to make a direct reference to ICE. It's either the former, and designed to titillate Reform voters, or she actually wants to see that happen.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,442

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    If you're putting ICE in a sentence we know exactly what you're alluding to. Get real.
    Badenoch is not going to introduce masked and armed lawbreakers on to the British streets to detain people on sight. It’s just not going to happen.

    So either she was lying, or she has been misrepresented or a bit of both.
    We are typically a decade behind the US. So currently we are in the phase where politicians say crazy things, no-one takes them seriously, and they cant actually do them. Give it another few years though.....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,256
    Andy_JS said:

    Manhunter just starting on BBC2, probably the most perfectly mid-80s movie ever made.

    Dammit, it's one of my favourite films! Thank you, Andy!

    (hums "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vita"...)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,309
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    Sort of pre-crime flagger? Maybe some of that. Also deterrence? If you know there's a fair chance of something official coming your way if you racially abuse someone you might be less likely to do it? But I don't actually know. I think the Lawrence case was a contributor.
    I think it’s social engineering. People not conforming get a flag that progressively worsens their life, perhaps by cropping up when said person tries for a job.

    And stepping away from race, it’s use in regards of contested areas such as trans is a sure sign of something deeply wrong.
    I wouldn't describe abusing someone for their race, gender, religion etc as 'not conforming'. That awards an unmerited gravitas to uncomplex sicko behaviour. I think most NCHIs are of that nature rather than the expression of an opinion. But I could be wrong. I haven't looked into it much.
    I think the point is you cam get an NCHI flag just because someone reports you for it - there doesn't have to be any substance to it. I think.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,256

    Andy_JS said:

    Manhunter just starting on BBC2, probably the most perfectly mid-80s movie ever made.

    I’d go for Highlander if pressed.
    Wrong choice. There can be only one most perfectly mid-80s movie ever made. :):):)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,395
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    Why did she say 'ICE' then? And she's got form for simpering about Trump.
    Because she was simpering about Trump and looking for headlines to attract back reform curious people.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,256
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Manhunter just starting on BBC2, probably the most perfectly mid-80s movie ever made.

    Dammit, it's one of my favourite films! Thank you, Andy!

    (hums "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vita"...)
    I'm ten minutes in and it's gorgeous. I live posted it before (2023 when I was in a Premier Inn in RSS Harrogate), so I won't do it again. But imagine me going "squee" every five minutes.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,262

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    Why did she say 'ICE' then? And she's got form for simpering about Trump.
    Because she was simpering about Trump and looking for headlines to attract back reform curious people.
    Yep. And the cost of that kind of politics is you're indelibly associated with the kind of organisation now buying chemical weapons and missiles.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
    I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.

    The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
    The link with the Linehan case in the BBC item is a bit confusing. That was being investigated as a crime not a non crime. Hence the police statement that 'charges will not be brought'. There'd be no decision on charges to be made if it were being investigated as a NCHI - which the story says they will not be doing from now on. So I'm not sure what the point or ramification is. Saving police time, I guess. Plus maybe another shift in the direction of us all becoming a little more relaxed about racism in public.
    Do you support NCHIs or not?
    I've no objection to the principle of recording (eg) incidents of racial abuse that don't reach the threshold of a chargeable crime. The question for me is does it do any good in practice and is it a good use of police time.
    What is the argument for them? I've always assumed that there is a very good reason, something around intelligence gathering allowing the police to narrow down suspects quickly in the event a violent assault takes place or something. Otherwise, impossible to justify IMO.
    Sort of pre-crime flagger? Maybe some of that. Also deterrence? If you know there's a fair chance of something official coming your way if you racially abuse someone you might be less likely to do it? But I don't actually know. I think the Lawrence case was a contributor.
    I think it’s social engineering. People not conforming get a flag that progressively worsens their life, perhaps by cropping up when said person tries for a job.

    And stepping away from race, it’s use in regards of contested areas such as trans is a sure sign of something deeply wrong.
    I wouldn't describe abusing someone for their race, gender, religion etc as 'not conforming'. That awards an unmerited gravitas to uncomplex sicko behaviour. I think most NCHIs are of that nature rather than the expression of an opinion. But I could be wrong. I haven't looked into it much.
    I think the point is you cam get an NCHI flag just because someone reports you for it - there doesn't have to be any substance to it. I think.
    Well that would plainly be wrong if so.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,229
    isam said:
    Surely the most absurd argument ever heard in parliament. By the same token you cannot proscribe any Israeli thug because on the balance of probability they will be Jewish and therefore the action is anti semitic. Even Netanyahu would allow himself a smile at that one particularly sas Maccabi Haifa have even been banned from their own derby in Israel because of their vandalism
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 226

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    Plus ca change .....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,716

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    Why did she say 'ICE' then? And she's got form for simpering about Trump.
    Because she was simpering about Trump and looking for headlines to attract back reform curious people.
    Yes, I imagine so. But it all just rolls the pitch for right wing populist extremists and she should steer clear. Ditto all politicians other than those (like Farage) who really do admire Trump.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,468
    Preliminary report on the Lisbon funicular disaster:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20pg8pzp2no
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 226
    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o

    Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.

    The Meta are being disingenuous. It's the recording of them which is the problem and which needs to be stopped.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,229
    slade said:

    I am usually a fan of Ch 4 news but I have just watched a bizarre episode. They spent at least 30 minutes interviewing the brother and sister in law of Virginia Giuffre about the involvement of Prince Andrew in the Epstein case. Almost all the questions were about the British police involvement of which the Americans were ignorant . Why?

    I agree. Complete rubbish. They've become obsessed with gossip and trivia. Eventually I switched off. I couldn't face another minute
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,140
    Roger said:

    slade said:

    I am usually a fan of Ch 4 news but I have just watched a bizarre episode. They spent at least 30 minutes interviewing the brother and sister in law of Virginia Giuffre about the involvement of Prince Andrew in the Epstein case. Almost all the questions were about the British police involvement of which the Americans were ignorant . Why?

    I agree. Complete rubbish. They've become obsessed with gossip and trivia. Eventually I switched off. I couldn't face another minute
    Channel 4 News used to be compulsory viewing for anyone interested in politics and/or current affairs until about 10 years ago. Sad.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,256
    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    slade said:

    I am usually a fan of Ch 4 news but I have just watched a bizarre episode. They spent at least 30 minutes interviewing the brother and sister in law of Virginia Giuffre about the involvement of Prince Andrew in the Epstein case. Almost all the questions were about the British police involvement of which the Americans were ignorant . Why?

    I agree. Complete rubbish. They've become obsessed with gossip and trivia. Eventually I switched off. I couldn't face another minute
    Channel 4 News used to be compulsory viewing for anyone interested in politics and/or current affairs until about 10 years ago. Sad.
    Jon Snow and his ties. After The Simpsons. Jumpers for goalposts...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,256
    "Casting by Bonnie Timmermann"....

    and so ends our broadcast day. Nighty-night, kiddies: don't let the bed-bugs bite.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    Neither can be carried by the UK's F35s.
    And their is little prospect of that changing.

    KAI and MBDA sign a MoU to work to bring SPEAR to South Korean KF-21 Boramae fighter. KF-21 is already to be armed with METEOR, with a "sustantial sale" for it concluded in 2023. New SPEAR test launches (from Typhoon used x trials) were planned for this year although no news yet.
    https://x.com/Gabriel64869839/status/1980252464642228232
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343

    Foxy said:

    There is no better visual metaphor for this [Trump] era

    https://bsky.app/profile/goldengateblond.bsky.social/post/3m3nlmgbo4k2p

    Trump demolishing the East Wing of the White House. It seems now permission is required despite the historic nature of the building.

    I thought Federal spending was halted?
    Only the bits Trump wants to halt.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    They might as well publicly smear themselves with shit to display their complete abasement before him.

    Top Republicans stand by president's poop video
    https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1980306253449470454
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    The US has refused to support the "Big Seven" plan to transfer €140 billion in frozen russian assets to Ukraine, — Bloomberg
    https://x.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1980311600151289953
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,140
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    slade said:

    I am usually a fan of Ch 4 news but I have just watched a bizarre episode. They spent at least 30 minutes interviewing the brother and sister in law of Virginia Giuffre about the involvement of Prince Andrew in the Epstein case. Almost all the questions were about the British police involvement of which the Americans were ignorant . Why?

    I agree. Complete rubbish. They've become obsessed with gossip and trivia. Eventually I switched off. I couldn't face another minute
    Channel 4 News used to be compulsory viewing for anyone interested in politics and/or current affairs until about 10 years ago. Sad.
    Jon Snow and his ties. After The Simpsons. Jumpers for goalposts...
    Snow was always slightly left-wing but not so much as to be irritating to people not on that wing of politics.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    This is absolutely wild.

    My Signal exchange with the interim U.S. attorney about the Letitia James grand jury.

    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/anna--lindsey-halligan-here
    Lindsey Halligan—the top prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia—was texting me. As it turned out, she was texting me about a criminal case she is pursuing against one of the president’s perceived political enemies: New York Attorney General Letitia James.

    So began my two-day text correspondence with the woman President Donald Trump had installed, in no small part, to bring the very prosecution she was now discussing with me by text message.

    Over the next 33 hours, Halligan texted me again.

    And again.

    And again.

    And again.

    Through the whole of our correspondence, however, there is something Halligan never said: She never said a word suggesting that she was not “on the record.”

    It is not uncommon for federal prosecutors to communicate with the press, both through formal channels and sometimes informally. My exchange with Halligan, however, was highly unusual in a number of respects. She initiated a conversation with me, a reporter she barely knew, to discuss an ongoing prosecution that she is personally handling. She mostly criticized my reporting—or, more precisely, my summary of someone else’s reporting. But several of her messages contained language that touch on grand jury matters, even as she insisted that she could not reveal such information, which is protected from disclosure by prosecutors under federal law...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    Also wild, but in a good way.

    ESMO 2025: mRNA-based COVID vaccines generate improved responses to immunotherapy

    https://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/research-newsroom/-esmo-2025--mrna-based-covid-vaccines-generate-improved-response.h00-159780390.html
    Cancer patients who received mRNA COVID vaccines within 100 days of starting immunotherapy were twice as likely to be alive three years after treatment as those who never received a vaccine
    These findings have prompted a randomized Phase III trial to determine if mRNA COVID vaccines should be part of the standard of care for this type of therapy
    If validated, findings could significantly increase the number of patients who benefit from immunotherapy..


    Obviously this needs confirming in a controlled clinical trial (a phase III trial is in now in the works), but this is a huge effect, in a study of a thousand patients, so it seems pretty likely it will be.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 82,343
    edited 1:52AM
    Nigelb said:

    Also wild, but in a good way.

    ESMO 2025: mRNA-based COVID vaccines generate improved responses to immunotherapy

    https://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/research-newsroom/-esmo-2025--mrna-based-covid-vaccines-generate-improved-response.h00-159780390.html
    Cancer patients who received mRNA COVID vaccines within 100 days of starting immunotherapy were twice as likely to be alive three years after treatment as those who never received a vaccine
    These findings have prompted a randomized Phase III trial to determine if mRNA COVID vaccines should be part of the standard of care for this type of therapy
    If validated, findings could significantly increase the number of patients who benefit from immunotherapy..


    Obviously this needs confirming in a controlled clinical trial (a phase III trial is in now in the works), but this is a huge effect, in a study of a thousand patients, so it seems pretty likely it will be.

    This is a particularly interesting part of the findings. I'd like to hear @Foxy 's thoughts on this, and the implications for cancers not routinely treated with immunotherapy.

    Importantly, these survival improvements were most pronounced in patients with immunologically “cold” tumors, which would not be expected to respond well to immunotherapy. These patients, who have very low PD-L1 expression on their tumors, experienced a nearly five-fold improvement in three-year overall survival with receipt of a COVID vaccine...

    It's a matter of more than academic interest for some of us.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,367
    edited 2:10AM
    Andy_JS said:
    He said: “It’s viewers who are scared of trying new talent, not commissioners. It’s viewers who nine times out of ten will choose a mediocre true crime or celebrity doc over a brilliantly made doc about almost anything else.

    This is demonstrably bullshit. Creators making high quality (and increasingly) expensive documentaries, interview and science videos on YouTube gain absolute massive views. Yes the slop can get a lot of views with da yuff, but increasingly older people are watching YouTube on their telly and they aren't wasting their time on Mr Beast.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,644
    edited 2:37AM

    Andy_JS said:
    He said: “It’s viewers who are scared of trying new talent, not commissioners. It’s viewers who nine times out of ten will choose a mediocre true crime or celebrity doc over a brilliantly made doc about almost anything else.

    This is demonstrably bullshit. Creators making high quality (and increasingly) expensive documentaries, interview and science videos on YouTube gain absolute massive views. Yes the slop can get a lot of views with da yuff, but increasingly older people are watching YouTube on their telly and they aren't wasting their time on Mr Beast.
    That’s like the cable news bosses who think that we all want to watch four or five people talking over each other for 7 minutes between ad breaks, when two-hour podcasts are getting orders of magnitude higher audiences.

    And then the whole industry going totally mad when one of the bosses decides to break from the mould and hire a sensible middle-of-the-road editor to shake things up.

    Meanwhile, even on serious subjects like the Ukraine war, there’s way more useful content on Twitter and Youtube, than anywhere on TV. Although fair play to the Telegraph and the Times, both of whom have good Ukraine-themed podcasts - which I watch on Twitter or Youtube.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,034

    Andy_JS said:
    He said: “It’s viewers who are scared of trying new talent, not commissioners. It’s viewers who nine times out of ten will choose a mediocre true crime or celebrity doc over a brilliantly made doc about almost anything else.

    This is demonstrably bullshit. Creators making high quality (and increasingly) expensive documentaries, interview and science videos on YouTube gain absolute massive views. Yes the slop can get a lot of views with da yuff, but increasingly older people are watching YouTube on their telly and they aren't wasting their time on Mr Beast.
    Certainly not: we've all left YouTube for TikTok.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,245
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Kemi should hang her head in shame for saying this should be a model for the UK.

    ICE increased weapons spending by 700% — including purchases of chemical weapons and guided missile warheads.

    ICE was always going to be Trump’s private military to deploy domestically against Americans.

    https://x.com/DarrigoMelanie/status/1980235668937953463

    She said “modelled on” not “a model for”.

    Very different
    Haha, HYUFD levels of splitting hairs. Bravo.
    It irritates me - people have been saying she’s going to replicate ICE in toto when that’s clearly not what she meant. If anything, it will be an independent branch of law enforcement - like British transport police for example - with a specific remit
    Why did she say 'ICE' then? And she's got form for simpering about Trump.
    When a voter is interpreting a stated aim for another voter, I would suggest the messaging wasn't perfect in the first instance. She spelled it out in black and white and now the interpreter is suggesting she really meant grey.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,634
    Nigelb said:

    The US has refused to support the "Big Seven" plan to transfer €140 billion in frozen russian assets to Ukraine, — Bloomberg
    https://x.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1980311600151289953

    Of course they have. Putin told him it would upset him if Russian money was used to buy weapons to help Ukraine win the war.

    Even though likely more than half of the money would be used to buy weapons from US manufacturers, Trump's love for Putin is greater than his his desire for an opportunity to skim off some money from a big deal.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,653
    Andy_JS said:
    That’s all a bit ‘old man shouts at clouds’
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,245

    isam said:

    Please let this happen. I’d take Arsenal finishing second again

    This evening I have received new and important information on #beergate

    This concerns Sir Beer Korma

    More to come in the near future…


    https://x.com/rosskempsell/status/1980363442533101913?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    If he is found to have lied about this to wriggle out of it, all the humble pie that has ever been made, and all that ever will be won’t be enough

    Who is Ross Kempsall? Three and a half years too late, but a good effort, I'm sure.
    I have checked him out. It turns out he is a 32 year old Conservative Peer installed by the King of Comedy Boris Johnson in 2022. Whenever one learns about some of the absurd stunts Johnson pulled as PM like installing an excitable 20 something Guido Fawkes hack into the House of Lords one is reminded of how incredibly unserious Boris Johnson is.

    Anyway apparently Baron Kempsall is about to bring down Starmer over Currygate. I'm tempted to suggest he lets it go, but if the Conservatives are confident of their win, more power to their elbow.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,653

    Andy_JS said:
    He said: “It’s viewers who are scared of trying new talent, not commissioners. It’s viewers who nine times out of ten will choose a mediocre true crime or celebrity doc over a brilliantly made doc about almost anything else.

    This is demonstrably bullshit. Creators making high quality (and increasingly) expensive documentaries, interview and science videos on YouTube gain absolute massive views. Yes the slop can get a lot of views with da yuff, but increasingly older people are watching YouTube on their telly and they aren't wasting their time on Mr Beast.
    I predominantly either watch YouTube or my old TV collection. There’s precious little on mainstream TV that interests me.

    Blaming the viewers for the decline of mainstream TV won’t bring people back.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,794
    Fishing said:

    I am writing a thread header about the next French presidential election.

    I came up with the title "The War of the Poseurs" but don't really like it. Can anyone do better?

    Le chalice empoisonné?
    The French Correction.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,644
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    Phew, well it looks like Amazon AWS is back up this morning.

    Apparently one of the victims yesterday was gov.uk One Login system, hopefully there will be questions to the minister responsible as to why they were reliant on a single cloud services provider, and how such architecture might work with their wonderful ID cards scheme.

    https://x.com/chrislittlewoo8/status/1980278887562031198
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,644
    There’s not one Russian O&G facility on fire this morning.

    There’s two Russian O&G facilities on fire this morning!

    Drones hit Rosneft’s Novokuybyshevsk oil refinery and Gazprom’s Orenburg gas plant, nearly 1,000 km inside Russia.

    The Orenburg gas plant is one of the largest such facilities in the world, 1,000km from Ukraine, and has now been bombed two days running.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1980369413531640108

    These facilities still appear to be totally undefended, most of the attacks are made by suicide drones that fly slowly.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,448
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:
    He said: “It’s viewers who are scared of trying new talent, not commissioners. It’s viewers who nine times out of ten will choose a mediocre true crime or celebrity doc over a brilliantly made doc about almost anything else.

    This is demonstrably bullshit. Creators making high quality (and increasingly) expensive documentaries, interview and science videos on YouTube gain absolute massive views. Yes the slop can get a lot of views with da yuff, but increasingly older people are watching YouTube on their telly and they aren't wasting their time on Mr Beast.
    I predominantly either watch YouTube or my old TV collection. There’s precious little on mainstream TV that interests me.

    Blaming the viewers for the decline of mainstream TV won’t bring people back.
    The question around television is whether we have seen a permanent change or just extreme disruption, because now the streamers are starting to act more like traditional broadcasters – instead of dropping whole series (or box sets) at once for binge viewing, they are increasingly moving to the broadcast model of one episode a week.
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