This 2/1 bet feels like value – politicalbetting.com

System · October 16

This 2/1 bet feels like value – politicalbetting.com

NEW: Polling on behalf of @CamlasCymru sees Reform UK and Plaid Cymru neck and neck in Caerphilly as Labour fall far behind into third place ahead of the Caerphilly Senedd by-election next Thursday.REF: 42% (+40)PC: 38% (+10)LAB: 12% (-34)CON: 4% (-14)GRN: 3% (+3)LD: 1%… pic.twitter.com/3OwnJfId1Q

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wooliedyed · October 16

Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,

LostPassword · October 16

The oldies don't often lose elections, and it's notable how many switchers from Plaid Reform are picking up in that poll. I'm not convinced that 2/1 is value.

Mexicanpete · October 16

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,

Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.

Andy_JS · October 16

Labour on 12% are already squeezed to the max wrt the 46% they got at the last Welsh election. Not sure they could conceivably go any lower than that in a seat they've always held since it was created (at both Cardiff and Westminster).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caerphilly_(Senedd_constituency)

DecrepiterJohnL · October 16

Maybe though Caerphilly might not like Plaid's language obsessions.

DecrepiterJohnL · October 16

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,
Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.

Nice castle.

Leon · October 16

I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

TheScreamingEagles · October 16

Leon said:
I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

Leave your phone home and buy a dumb phone.

Last time I went for business reasons that’s what I did.

LostPassword · October 16

Leon said:
I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

It's a trap!

(What have you done to upset the Saudis?)

Mexicanpete · October 16

Leon said:
I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

Not the range and quality of hookers or beverages you are used to mind.

Good luck.

ManOfGwent · October 16

The new Green "surge" may do some damage to Plaid's hopes. I'd say Caerphilly is probably more Plaid friendly though than most of the valley seats given that it's southern half is now basically a Cardiff suburb.

Big_G_NorthWales · October 16

I expect Reform to win the seat

Taz · October 16

This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61

Taz · October 16

Has anyone made the gag about how the Welsh make their cheese yet ?

tlg86 · October 16

Lol!

https://order-order.com/2025/10/16/watch-sky-news-mistakenly-reports-mass-layoffs-of-all-nestle-uk-employees/

Andy_JS · October 16

"updated 2 mins ago

Chinese state operatives present a daily national security threat to the UK, the head of MI5 Sir Ken McCallum has said."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0ex172rxwzo

StillWaters · October 16

Leon said:
I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

What will your orange juice bill be?

Mexicanpete · October 16

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,
Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.
Nice castle.

Otherwise, Caerfilthy.

There are a lot of big industrial estates which had imported employment from EU grants in the 80s and 90s, those jobs have all but gone. Braces bakery announced yesterday one of its two factories in the area will close. Like most of South Wales north of the M4 past the tunnel it's an economic desert.

kinabalu · October 16

Why is constituency polling particularly difficult?

RochdalePioneers · October 16

Starting the tiresome process of setting up my new iPhone. Well, tiresome in that I didn't get chance to just tap old to new. But I'd want to do some things manually anyway. Clean canvas to paint on...

Flatlander · October 16

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61

Is this Net Zero energy costs again?

ManOfGwent · October 16

Mexicanpete said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,
Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.
Nice castle.
Otherwise, Caerfilthy.

There are a lot of big industrial estates which had imported employment from EU grants in the 80s and 90s, those jobs have all but gone. Braces bakery announced yesterday one of its two factories in the area will close. Like most of South Wales north of the M4 past the tunnel it's an economic desert.

There is still resentment in Islwyn to being forced to merge with Mid Glamorgan to from Caerphilly in the mid 90s. The former being much better run before the merger. However, I'd say Islwyn is probably more Reform territory.

I will not mourn the end of Braces bread, I have a formative memory of getting food poisoning from one of their bakeries.

LostPassword · October 16

kinabalu said:
Why is constituency polling particularly difficult?

The response rate for opinion polls is risibly low - 1-2% or so - so to get a sample size of 500 you have to ask 50,000 people in the constituency, which is roughly half the population in the constituency. That's really hard. And then you have to try and weight your demographics to the constituency, which is a bit of a moving target as people move in and out of the area - this is easier in a national poll, because the national population will have a lower turnover.

Leon · October 16

Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day

TheScreamingEagles · October 16

kinabalu said:
Why is constituency polling particularly difficult?

The electorate are much more transient, so it hard to nail down demographics and past VI, if you get the weightings all wrong then the poll is rubbish.

Plus there’s local factors that always aren’t picked up.

Mexicanpete · October 16

ManOfGwent said:

Mexicanpete said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,
Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.
Nice castle.
Otherwise, Caerfilthy.

There are a lot of big industrial estates which had imported employment from EU grants in the 80s and 90s, those jobs have all but gone. Braces bakery announced yesterday one of its two factories in the area will close. Like most of South Wales north of the M4 past the tunnel it's an economic desert.
There is still resentment in Islwyn to being forced to merge with Mid Glamorgan to from Caerphilly in the mid 90s. The former being much better run before the merger. However, I'd say Islwyn is probably more Reform territory.

I will not mourn the end of Braces bread, I have a formative memory of getting food poisoning from one of their bakeries.

Lansbury Park?

Yes, Blackwood, Fleur de Lys, and Newbridge was what I had it mind. I think they even closed the Pot Noodle mines and moved them to England.

Taz · October 16

Flatlander said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Is this Net Zero energy costs again?

This is what Ed Conway says.

Lack of support. That ‘may’ include energy but, like Biopharma, it looks like the US wants to support these key industries more than other nations.

‘But now I've learnt Pensana has decided to ditch its plans for a UK rare earths refinery and will instead refine its metals in the US instead.

Why? Because the US is providing far more support and security to critical minerals firms. Britain & Europe are losing the race’

LostPassword · October 16

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61

Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.

So why isn't the refinery already built?

ManOfGwent · October 16

Mexicanpete said:

ManOfGwent said:

Mexicanpete said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,
Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.
Nice castle.
Otherwise, Caerfilthy.

There are a lot of big industrial estates which had imported employment from EU grants in the 80s and 90s, those jobs have all but gone. Braces bakery announced yesterday one of its two factories in the area will close. Like most of South Wales north of the M4 past the tunnel it's an economic desert.
There is still resentment in Islwyn to being forced to merge with Mid Glamorgan to from Caerphilly in the mid 90s. The former being much better run before the merger. However, I'd say Islwyn is probably more Reform territory.

I will not mourn the end of Braces bread, I have a formative memory of getting food poisoning from one of their bakeries.
Lansbury Park?

Yes, Blackwood, Fleur de Lys, and Newbridge was what I had it mind. I think they even closed the Pot Noodle mines and moved them to England.

I was a Newbridge boy myself and there was the offending Bakery.

I think the Unilever noodle factory remains in use. It's about 200 yards from the site of this recent incident. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5p033d3xdo

Not many other industries left, General Dynamics is probably the only glimmer of light.

Sunil_Prasannan · October 16

Mexicanpete said:

turbotubbs said:

Mexicanpete said:

bigjohnowls said:

Mexicanpete said:

tlg86 said:
https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1978796649037103380

@DPJHodges
Just to be crystal clear. Keir Starmer said in the House yesterday:

“What was on issue in the trial is not the position of the current Government, but the position of the last Government”.

That statement was a clear, provable lie. Collins literally cut and pasted from the Labour manifesto because the position of the current government was key to the trial.
He may eventually take the win, but Hodges seems a little ahead of himself here.
SKS told a lie?

Never.

Wouldn't it be more difficult to find when he disnt lie?
Aren't both you and Hodges walking a fine line with what is undoubtedly unParliamentary language?
Except neither Hodges or a random on PB are in Parliament...
Out of interest was it @scampi25 who "liked" that post?

Asking for a friend.

I think it was Sunil.

Malmesbury · October 16

LostPassword said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.

So why isn't the refinery already built?

Three years - that’s barely time to chose the biscuits for the meeting to discuss the logo for the 9th enquiry into the project.

Joking aside - Rare earths refining involves complex chemical work. Lots of opportunities for pollution etc.

The kind of stuff where it’s easier to heroically oppose doing it here, then use the results.

Much like the proposal for toxic ship (ships full of asbestos etc) breaking facility in the U.K., years back. Despite being a totally enclosed setup, air filtration etc - banned.

Instead, kids with hammers break up these ships on Indian beaches.

Gallowgate · October 16

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day

Is it full of Antifa?

Fishing · October 16

LostPassword said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.

So why isn't the refinery already built?

Do you have any idea how long it takes to get anything built in this country?

I'd be surprised if they've finished digging the foundations.

Fishing · October 16

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day

Go see Chewing Gum Alley.

Very strange.

That's my random off-beat tourist tip of the day.

Rather more mainstream, take the ferry across to, and walk around, Bainbridge Island if you haven't already for some North-West small town charm.

LostPassword · October 16

LostPassword said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.

So why isn't the refinery already built?

The photo is from July 2022. In the accompanying government press release, it is said that "Pensana expect operations to begin at the end of 2023."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uks-first-magnet-refinery-given-huge-financial-boost-as-first-ever-strategy-for-supply-of-critical-minerals-published

It's stated that government money is being provided, though it's not explicit how much: "The facility is backed by the government’s Automotive Transformation Fund, an £850 million programme to electrify Britain’s automotive supply chain and protect our nation’s competitiveness in the global market."

So, y'know, credit to the government at the time, it looks like the sort of thing the PB consensus would be in favour of. What went wrong? Why wasn't it built?

Mexicanpete · October 16

ManOfGwent said:

Mexicanpete said:

ManOfGwent said:

Mexicanpete said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,
Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.
Nice castle.
Otherwise, Caerfilthy.

There are a lot of big industrial estates which had imported employment from EU grants in the 80s and 90s, those jobs have all but gone. Braces bakery announced yesterday one of its two factories in the area will close. Like most of South Wales north of the M4 past the tunnel it's an economic desert.
There is still resentment in Islwyn to being forced to merge with Mid Glamorgan to from Caerphilly in the mid 90s. The former being much better run before the merger. However, I'd say Islwyn is probably more Reform territory.

I will not mourn the end of Braces bread, I have a formative memory of getting food poisoning from one of their bakeries.
Lansbury Park?

Yes, Blackwood, Fleur de Lys, and Newbridge was what I had it mind. I think they even closed the Pot Noodle mines and moved them to England.
I was a Newbridge boy myself and there was the offending Bakery.

I still think the Unilever noodle factory remains in use. It's about 200 yards from the site of this recent incident. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5p033d3xdo

Not many other industry left, General Dynamics is probably the only glimmer of light.

It's the Pen y fan site they are closing. When I was in the hazardous waste collection business in the 1990s Croespenmaen, Hawtin Park and that estate in Risca where Tesco and KFC are now were all very busy.

The Scouts incident nails on a Reform landslide I suspect.

rottenborough · October 16

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?

Nothing like a crisp tear gas to accompany the oysters in order to heighten the palate.

tlg86 · October 16

https://x.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1978846025986003211

The Athletic | Football
@TheAthleticFC
West Midlands Police (WMP) has requested that supporters of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv not be allowed to attend the Europa League game against Aston Villa in Birmingham on November 6 due to concerns over unrest, sources briefed on the matter told The Athletic.

The force has advised the city’s Safety Advisory Group (SAG) against approving an away allocation at Villa Park, and UEFA, the competition’s organiser, is expected to follow the recommendation of local authorities.

Part of the problem with the new format of European competition is that Villa fans can't be banned from going to the reverse fixture (not that that would necessarily be a satisfactory compromise, of course).

A local MP was stoking tensions not so long ago:

https://x.com/AyoubKhanMP/status/1968379890388058359

UEFA might insist the game is played behind closed doors.

Leon · October 16

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?

It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically

Taz · October 16

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically

Well Europe leads the world in one thing. Regulation.

Flatlander · October 16

LostPassword said:

LostPassword said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.

So why isn't the refinery already built?
The photo is from July 2022. In the accompanying government press release, it is said that "Pensana expect operations to begin at the end of 2023."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uks-first-magnet-refinery-given-huge-financial-boost-as-first-ever-strategy-for-supply-of-critical-minerals-published

It's stated that government money is being provided, though it's not explicit how much: "The facility is backed by the government’s Automotive Transformation Fund, an £850 million programme to electrify Britain’s automotive supply chain and protect our nation’s competitiveness in the global market."

So, y'know, credit to the government at the time, it looks like the sort of thing the PB consensus would be in favour of. What went wrong? Why wasn't it built?

Perhaps they were just positioning to get more funding in the US? Or perhaps it was the Treasury again.

Leon · October 16

Taz said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Well Europe leads the world in one thing. Regulation.

And boy, can you see it

Europe is regulating itself to death. We all need a hard right populist libertarian revolution, or Europe is finished

Mexicanpete · October 16

...

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically

Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.

Sandpit · October 16

Leon said:
I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

Looking forward to your review of their beverages.

RochdalePioneers · October 16

Leon said:

Taz said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Well Europe leads the world in one thing. Regulation.
And boy, can you see it

Europe is regulating itself to death. We all need a hard right populist libertarian revolution, or Europe is finished

"Europe is regulating itself to death" - a bit extreme but there's a solid point that we're leaving ourselves open to being overtaken by Fascist America and Capicommunist China

"We all need a hard right populist libertarian revolution, or Europe is finished". Nope. To quote Peter Mannion "that's Fucking Mental"

MattW · October 16

For a reason unknown to me, Youtube is throwing me the Texas Furries Law from several months ago.

TLDR: Republiprats in the Texas Legislature were passing a law to ban (apparently, and amongst other things) provision of litter boxes for school chiddren in loos who self-identify as animals.

TLLDR: The claim that such provision is made, and therefore requires banning, is afaics a straw man fabricated (or believed if they are such Alpha-Grade Numpties as appears) by such legislators around their "anti-woke" obsession, when it misfired. I guess it's better than banning books.

Viral video of the chap (not popular with the Secretary of War, as he has a beard aka a "beardo" in Pantomime Pete's argot) having his pants pulled down by some polite questions. The car crash is mesmerising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnEe5bBX2s

* Furries are a cosplay community - vaguely in the same niche as people who like Star Trek conventions or Wild West weekends. The Republicans just went loopy.

Leon · October 16

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.

Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH

Mexicanpete · October 16

LBC doorstepped Kemi in Kent saying that Kinnock had said Kemi should be ashamed of herself for her China claims. She bit and absolutely let rip on Starmer "he misled Parliament" she seethed.

Kemi is bold!

numbertwelve · October 16

BBC reporting Reeves may cut VAT on energy bills.

How much is that going to cost? Add it to the black hole…

Battlebus · October 16

In more legal news.

Carter Ruck and Amersi taking on the SRA in a Part 8 claim. Anyone any idea about that or will they get slapped down?

boulay · October 16

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day

On the subject of shellfish I read a very good use for the roe from Scallops yesterday (I can’t stand the stuff due to the texture). The chap blends with butter and paprika and melts it to use as a drizzle. Might try this weekend.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2025/oct/15/turn-scallop-roe-into-butter-recipe-zero-waste-cooking-tom-hunt

kjh · October 16

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH

You do know you were posting the exact opposite not that long ago about places like San Francisco don't you. The exact opposite. The death of places like SF and Portland.

MattW · October 16

numbertwelve said:
BBC reporting Reeves may cut VAT on energy bills.

How much is that going to cost? Add it to the black hole…

Is it not already only 5%, or are we talking business bills?

IMO if that is an option they are watching the treadmill, not their objectives.

Flatlander · October 16

numbertwelve said:
BBC reporting Reeves may cut VAT on energy bills.

How much is that going to cost? Add it to the black hole…

It all adds up to some kind of bombshell. What, though?

ManOfGwent · October 16

numbertwelve said:
BBC reporting Reeves may cut VAT on energy bills.

How much is that going to cost? Add it to the black hole…

Blame Brexit for economic problems, then use Brexit freedom for tax cut and economic growth. I'd agree with it, but not sure it's a narrative that will be easy to sell

viewcode · October 16

Battlebus said:
In more legal news.

Carter Ruck and Amersi taking on the SRA in a Part 8 claim. Anyone any idea about that or will they get slapped down?

What is the "SRA" plz?

Sandpit · October 16

kjh said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH
You do know you were posting the exact opposite not that long ago about places like San Francisco don't you. The exact opposite. The death of places like SF and Portland.

The difference is that he’s being paid by them this week.

Eabhal · October 16

numbertwelve said:
BBC reporting Reeves may cut VAT on energy bills.

How much is that going to cost? Add it to the black hole…

It might be a fiscally neutral cut of electricity VAT with increases in fuel duty/VED replacement/gas.

Carnyx · October 16

viewcode said:

Battlebus said:
In more legal news.

Carter Ruck and Amersi taking on the SRA in a Part 8 claim. Anyone any idea about that or will they get slapped down?
What is the "SRA" plz?

Solicitors Regulation Authority. But the other stuff in re Carter Ruck et al is incomprehensible. We need explanation!

Leon · October 16

kjh said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH
You do know you were posting the exact opposite not that long ago about places like San Francisco don't you. The exact opposite. The death of places like SF and Portland.

When the facts change…

And these days, they change FAST

viewcode · October 16

MattW said:
For a reason unknown to me, Youtube is throwing me the Texas Furries Law from several months ago.

YouTube has fucked with their algorithm: now prioritising shorts over longform, phone users over laptop users, and videos restricted by default. A lot of the better content creators are having the shit kicked out of them, and some are considering leaving. The survivors will be those with loyal Patreon-or-similar subscribers.

Meanwhile the number of simply racist shorts is rising, as I pointed out here: https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5352046/#Comment_5352046

CumberlandGap · October 16

Eabhal said:

numbertwelve said:
BBC reporting Reeves may cut VAT on energy bills.

How much is that going to cost? Add it to the black hole…
It might be a fiscally neutral cut of electricity VAT with increases in fuel duty/VED replacement/gas.

VAT is only 5% on domestic energy as it is. It's a rounding error in energy costs.

SandyRentool · October 16

Leon said:
I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

A lot of people would give their right arm to go on a free trip to Saudi.

Get on the wrong side of the authorities, and that might well happen.

Sunil_Prasannan · October 16

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

Though.

Leon · October 16

SandyRentool said:

Leon said:
I’ve just been commissioned to go to Saudi Arabia

A lot of people would give their right arm to go on a free trip to Saudi.

Get on the wrong side of the authorities, and that might well happen.

Hah

Sunil_Prasannan · October 16

rottenborough said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
Nothing like a crisp tear gas to accompany the oysters in order to heighten the palate.

"I love the smell of tear gas in the morning. Smells like victory!"

Sunil_Prasannan · October 16

LostPassword said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.

Kwasi pops up from time to time on GB News.

Omnium · October 16

Sunil_Prasannan said:

LostPassword said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.
Kwasi pops up from time to time on GB News.

Some sort of whack-a-mole game is it?

kjh · October 16

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH
You do know you were posting the exact opposite not that long ago about places like San Francisco don't you. The exact opposite. The death of places like SF and Portland.
When the facts change…

And these days, they change FAST

Well that is true, but you definitively write stuff off in a hyperbolic manner and for good eg there is no recovery from this, they are doomed, etc. Then a few months later everything is sunshine and light. It is just so much over reaction that we can't tell when something is really scary or really good, because it all is one or the other.

Sunil_Prasannan · October 16

kjh said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH
You do know you were posting the exact opposite not that long ago about places like San Francisco don't you. The exact opposite. The death of places like SF and Portland.
When the facts change…

And these days, they change FAST

Well that is true, but you definitively write stuff off in a hyperbolic manner and for good eg there is no recovery from this, they are doomed, etc. Then a few months later everything is sunshine and light. It is just so much over reaction that we can't tell when something is really scary or really good, because it all is one or the other.

I find the Spectator less absorbent than Andrex.

BartholomewRoberts · October 16

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Mexicanpete said:

wooliedyed said:
Plaid have more to call on for tacticals. 2/1 therefore value in a statistical toss up
Con, Green, LD to lose deposits,
Hmm, Caerphilly Borough is a shit hole and I would have thought fertile pasture for Reform.
Nice castle.

And cheese.

Omnium · October 16

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH
You do know you were posting the exact opposite not that long ago about places like San Francisco don't you. The exact opposite. The death of places like SF and Portland.
When the facts change…

And these days, they change FAST

Well that is true, but you definitively write stuff off in a hyperbolic manner and for good eg there is no recovery from this, they are doomed, etc. Then a few months later everything is sunshine and light. It is just so much over reaction that we can't tell when something is really scary or really good, because it all is one or the other.
I find the Spectator less absorbent than Andrex.

Much lighter weight and more fluffy though.

Leon · October 16

kjh said:

Leon said:

kjh said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:
...
Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:
Seattle has just the most fantastic oysters. Ate a dozen at Pike Place Market last night. Also, I’ve discovered the joys of accompanying oysters with a really cold crisp pilsener beer. It’s better than any wine

That’s my big political opinion of the day
Is it full of Antifa?
It’s notably white, at least in downtown

This is true of Portland and SF as well. Compared to modern big European cities, these west coast cities feel “whiter”. Muslims are replaced by Hispanics etc

They also feel much much richer than Europe. I used to think Europeans had lives as good as Americans, perhaps better - but different

I no longer think that. Europe is falling behind, dramatically
Next time you are over try Greater Detroit. Try Gary, Indiana.
Yawn

I’ve traveled extensively around the poorest state in the Union. Mississippi

On this trip I went to Eureka, Ca. I saw the meth towns of southern Oregon. I’ve seen plenty of US poverty. It can be very grim (tho Europe can be easily as grim)

What Europe lacks is the dynamism and optimism of America, plus the huge amounts of money. America is RICH
You do know you were posting the exact opposite not that long ago about places like San Francisco don't you. The exact opposite. The death of places like SF and Portland.
When the facts change…

And these days, they change FAST

Well that is true, but you definitively write stuff off in a hyperbolic manner and for good eg there is no recovery from this, they are doomed, etc. Then a few months later everything is sunshine and light. It is just so much over reaction that we can't tell when something is really scary or really good, because it all is one or the other.

You should demand a refund

Taz · October 16

Sunil_Prasannan said:

LostPassword said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Kwasi Kwarteng was Secretary of State for Business until September 2022 - there's a photo in that thread of Kwarteng posing with a shovel at the intended site for this refinery. So that photo must have been taken at least three years ago.
Kwasi pops up from time to time on GB News.

And GMB, he’s also appeared on the Merryn Talks Money podcast.

He’s quite thoughtful.

tlg86 · October 16

That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.

Taz · October 16

Have the Reform obsessives covered this ?

A police investigation into allegations against Reform councillors and their election agent of overspending on election expenses has been dropped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0ejjdqme6o

Luckyguy1983 · October 16

Taz said:

Flatlander said:

Taz said:
This govt is crap pt 94

The firm at the heart of Britain's critical minerals strategy has ditched plans for a rare earths refinery in the UK, and will build it in the US instead.

It's a serious blow to the Chancellor and her plans for "securonomics" ahead of next month's Budget

https://x.com/edconwaysky/status/1978745822704447573?s=61
Is this Net Zero energy costs again?
This is what Ed Conway says.

Lack of support. That ‘may’ include energy but, like Biopharma, it looks like the US wants to support these key industries more than other nations.

‘But now I've learnt Pensana has decided to ditch its plans for a UK rare earths refinery and will instead refine its metals in the US instead.

Why? Because the US is providing far more support and security to critical minerals firms. Britain & Europe are losing the race’

It is called 'lack of support' because the cost base of doing anything industrial in the UK ceased to be economical years ago, so now it's more about going cap in hand to get Government loans and incentive schemes. Complaining about that is far less controversial than complaining about Net Zero.

algarkirk · October 16

WRT the China prosecution DPP thing, would I be right in thinking that more or less everyone who is following it at all assumes that the reason why it isn't going ahead is entirely political and about not offending China, that there is small possibility of getting at the truth, that it won't be interesting at all unless heads start to threaten to roll, that all politicians will want to make sure that that doesn't happen, that the real long term issue is the extent to which we are in China's hands and can't get out of it and it's beginning to look like a mistake, and there is no possibility at all of getting the whole story, and probably we shouldn't anyway, and that this is how the world of power works and the public don't find it especially shocking?

Taz · October 16

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.

Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV

tlg86 · October 16

Taz said:

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.
Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV

Don't think it's the Villa fans that the police are concerned about.

Taz · October 16

tlg86 said:

Taz said:

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.
Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV
Don't think it's the Villa fans that the police are concerned about.

Really, so they’re not going to give the opposition fans a shit time then ? They’re not part of the problem. Course they are.

Dont be an apologist for trash.

Pro_Rata · October 16

Classic third party squeeze in a by-election. I'd be over to Plaid in the hope of defeating Reform.

Could be a pattern of things to come now.

Peter_the_Punter · October 16

tlg86 said:

Taz said:

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.
Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV
Don't think it's the Villa fans that the police are concerned about.

Since this is a EUFA competition, the problem could be solved easily by unfurling a map of Europe and asking how an Israeli team qualifies. Since there is no logical answer to that, the interlopers can be immediately thrown out of the competition.

Presumably this would give Villa a bye into the next round, so double win there.

Taz · October 16

Peter_the_Punter said:

tlg86 said:

Taz said:

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.
Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV
Don't think it's the Villa fans that the police are concerned about.
Since this is a EUFA competition, the problem could be solved easily by unfurling a map of Europe and asking how an Israeli team qualifies. Since there is no logical answer to that, the interlopers can be immediately thrown out of the competition.

Presumably this would give Villa a bye into the next round, so double win there.

Kick Villa out of the completion.

By the same token remove Georgian, Armenian, Azeri and Kazakh teams if proximity to Europe is the issue.

LostPassword · October 16

Looks like the Trump/Putin bromance is back on - they've agreed to meet again in Budapest.

Putin playing Trump like a fiddle and has spiked Zelensky's meeting tomorrow.

This is why Europe needs to establish strategic autonomy.

Taz · October 16

Nick Timothy is quite right on the disgraceful banning of away supporters at Villa Park

https://x.com/nj_timothy/status/1978865979611291844?s=61

viewcode · October 16

There's a new MapMen up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq-kgUpd-5E

rottenborough · October 16

My factoid of the day:

Hampshire council spends 83% of its budget on social care.

FT.

FrancisUrquhart · October 16

I thought Mrs U experience of being asked for a tip by an airport self service check out was the height of US tipping culture out of control....but no...

A number of payday loan apps that allow poor people to access to a proportion of their paycheck in advance, on top of all the fees, ask for a tip....no once, not twice, one asks 13 times during the process.

BartholomewRoberts · October 16

Utterly disgusting, that Villa decision.

Ban Jews from supporting their club because people are so racist they might not be safe? What a disgraceful victim-blaming attitude.

Taz · October 16

rottenborough said:
My factoid of the day:

Hampshire council spends 83% of its budget on social care.

FT.

I saw this on Twitter.

The Tories have much to answer for.

https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1978854635403182300?s=61

BartholomewRoberts · October 16

Peter_the_Punter said:

tlg86 said:

Taz said:

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.
Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV
Don't think it's the Villa fans that the police are concerned about.
Since this is a EUFA competition, the problem could be solved easily by unfurling a map of Europe and asking how an Israeli team qualifies. Since there is no logical answer to that, the interlopers can be immediately thrown out of the competition.

Presumably this would give Villa a bye into the next round, so double win there.

The same way Cardiff qualifies to the English league.

They're members of UEFA.

tlg86 · October 16

Peter_the_Punter said:

tlg86 said:

Taz said:

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.
Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV
Don't think it's the Villa fans that the police are concerned about.
Since this is a EUFA competition, the problem could be solved easily by unfurling a map of Europe and asking how an Israeli team qualifies. Since there is no logical answer to that, the interlopers can be immediately thrown out of the competition.

Presumably this would give Villa a bye into the next round, so double win there.

Have a read of the history as to why Israel are part of UEFA:

https://news.sky.com/story/why-does-israels-football-team-play-in-europe-10359083

turbotubbs · October 16

Taz said:

tlg86 said:

Taz said:

tlg86 said:
That Villa decision is a disgrace. Jews not safe yet again.
Villa fans are wrong uns.

SOTV
Don't think it's the Villa fans that the police are concerned about.
Really, so they’re not going to give the opposition fans a shit time then ? They’re not part of the problem. Course they are.

Dont be an apologist for trash.

I think there are threats from outside football.

Foss · October 16

Taz said:

rottenborough said:
My factoid of the day:

Hampshire council spends 83% of its budget on social care.

FT.

I saw this on Twitter.

The Tories have much to answer for.

https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1978854635403182300?s=61

There's going to have to be a hard per capita cap on this stuff.

Taz · October 16

BartholomewRoberts said:
Utterly disgusting, that Villa decision.

Ban Jews from supporting their club because people are so racist they might not be safe? What a disgraceful victim-blaming attitude.

Villa are a crap club with wankers for fans.

The West Mids Police are a disgrace.

FrancisUrquhart · October 16

Prince Andrew met the top Chinese official at the centre of the Beijing spy case at least three times, The Telegraph can reveal.

tlg86 · October 16

Taz said:

BartholomewRoberts said:
Utterly disgusting, that Villa decision.

Ban Jews from supporting their club because people are so racist they might not be safe? What a disgraceful victim-blaming attitude.
Villa are a crap club with wankers for fans.

The West Mids Police are a disgrace.

Nah, it's people like this MP who are to blame:

https://x.com/AyoubKhanMP/status/1978872616279536026

BartholomewRoberts · October 16

Taz said:

BartholomewRoberts said:
Utterly disgusting, that Villa decision.

Ban Jews from supporting their club because people are so racist they might not be safe? What a disgraceful victim-blaming attitude.
Villa are a crap club with wankers for fans.

The West Mids Police are a disgrace.

Not sure how much this is Villa's fault.

The Police much more to blame.

If Villa and the Police can't ensure safety it should be relocated to be played in another country that can keep fans safe.

BartholomewRoberts · October 16

tlg86 said:

Taz said:

BartholomewRoberts said:
Utterly disgusting, that Villa decision.

Ban Jews from supporting their club because people are so racist they might not be safe? What a disgraceful victim-blaming attitude.
Villa are a crap club with wankers for fans.

The West Mids Police are a disgrace.
Nah, it's people like this MP who are to blame:

https://x.com/AyoubKhanMP/status/1978872616279536026

Plus the scum that voted for him.

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