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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,933
    THE TRAITORS.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,870
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is their big growth idea ?

    Pffft.

    Pubs to stay open until early hours in move to boost UK growth
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/08/pub-opening-hours-in-england-and-wales-could-be-extended

    I just found out my favourite Indian restaurant is currently battling a noise complaint from someone who has just bought the flat above. An unlicensed family place with no music. This is not the first time one of my fave spots has had to deal with something like this.

    If I work out who it is there will certainly be some noise. Anyway, my point is that getting our pubs and restaurants buzzing is something we should welcome, particularly as it's part of the economy not under threat from AI. Ditching NIMBY regulation and welcoming such a buzz is really important for this sector.
    I don't have a problem with the idea (actually I approve), but this was the lead story on the Guardian website.
    Which suggests it was briefed as a major initiative.

    It's small potatoes (or beer).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,270
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is their big growth idea ?

    Pffft.

    Pubs to stay open until early hours in move to boost UK growth
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/08/pub-opening-hours-in-england-and-wales-could-be-extended

    I just found out my favourite Indian restaurant is currently battling a noise complaint from someone who has just bought the flat above. An unlicensed family place with no music. This is not the first time one of my fave spots has had to deal with something like this.

    If I work out who it is there will certainly be some noise. Anyway, my point is that getting our pubs and restaurants buzzing is something we should welcome, particularly as it's part of the economy not under threat from AI. Ditching NIMBY regulation and welcoming such a buzz is really important for this sector.
    Almost bad as our local Turkish restaurant being pursued by Lewisham Council for £2.5 million under the Proceeds of Crime Act, because an extractor vent - which they installed because a neighbour complained about barbecue smells - didn’t comply with planning regs.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/meze-mangal-london-lewisham-restaurant-kitchen-fan-council-planning-rules-b1251616.html
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,557

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,183
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We have a wannabe dictator, making up stuff and threatening people if he doesn't get his own way.

    And Trump is doing some dodgy shit as well

    Not the first time I have been compared to Donald Trump in recent weeks.

    A colleague said I have Donald Trump like subtlety.
    Did they also say taste ?
    In the past, I have some gold trainers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,870

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We have a wannabe dictator, making up stuff and threatening people if he doesn't get his own way.

    And Trump is doing some dodgy shit as well

    Not the first time I have been compared to Donald Trump in recent weeks.

    A colleague said I have Donald Trump like subtlety.
    Did they also say taste ?
    In the past, I have some gold trainers.
    That was my thinking.

    I'm pretty sure your suits are better tailored.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,270
    Badenoch’s SDLT idea is a good one. It needs to be paid for, ideally by land value taxation.

    As it happens I was on a panel at the conference fringe on Monday and we were asked a question by a CIOT representative in the audience about what single revenue-neutral tax measure we would suggest to boost growth.

    I said abolish SDLT and replace with land value taxation. TimSdamus. I did think the shadow treasury minister to my right looked a bit perplexed by my answer. Did he worry there was a leak?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,370
    edited October 8

    Sandpit said:

    An Australian paper on tax efficiency.

    https://treasury.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-03/TWP2015-01.pdf

    TL:DR transaction taxes on property sales are really bad, but regular property taxes are really good.

    Thanks for finding that - that answers my question from this morning.

    Skip to pages 53/54 for the pretty graphs. The suggestion is that it really isn't close.


    Reflects quite well on Kemi for picking the right tax to dump first even if it isn't an immediately obvious one.
    Of course it’s obvious. It primarily benefits wealthy folk in the south east.

    Meanwhile redwallers are targeted for benefit cuts. Workshy, scroungers, layabouts.
    I live deep in the Red Wall and have never paid Stamp Duty [Except on shares]

    That doesn't mean I want taxes that cause collateral damage to the economy of (checks estimate) 75p for every £ they raise.


    A property tax instead of council tax would be a huge win here and everywhere else in the Red Wall. Labour have a majority of 150. Rachel? Rachel?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,432
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    Nigelb said:

    This is their big growth idea ?

    Pffft.

    Pubs to stay open until early hours in move to boost UK growth
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/08/pub-opening-hours-in-england-and-wales-could-be-extended

    Didn't Tone usher in twenty-four hour drinking all those years ago?
    Someone could write a book on the methodical process by which late night stuff is being cutoff and shut down.

    My favourite, recently, was the opposition of the police to a jazz venue in Covent Garden. Which would lead to crime, according to the police.

    No, they didn’t think that black musicians would be encouraging the smoking of The Demon Weed.

    They said that it would encourage muggers and pickpockets to target the clientele….
  • isamisam Posts: 42,770
    edited October 8

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    The Times loved it. I’m glad she did well, it would be a shame if she were the equivalent of a one cap wonder. In an ideal world the stories and Reform will team up somehow. I think I might be beginning to prefer Badenoch’s Tories to Reform, who seem to be a little bit brash

    Kemi Badenoch stamps her authority and gets the crowd on its feet

    She pulled it off. She marched from the stage in a vague sense of triumph. There were chants of “Kemi! Kemi! Kemi!”. They may have been more than a little underwhelming, but they happened. On her way out of the hall she shook hands with a young man who appeared at first sight to be standing on the safety barrier but was, in fact, merely the tallest person anyone present had ever seen, seven feet at a minimum.

    Her first ever conference speech had been a success. If the Tories have any desire to be taken even remotely seriously ever again, they may wish to consider resisting the temptation to make it her last.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/88da6c7a-50b0-4c9a-a0f0-381082113622?shareToken=4e1c782b35704a9fa65fde12e395f60a
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,870
    Made me laugh.

    ICE is really upset that local businesses in Chicago and Seattle won’t let them use the potty and I just have to admit, I apologize to the 3rd Amendment for previously underestimating its importance
    https://x.com/lydiakauppi/status/1975749485192999086
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,139
    TimS said:

    Badenoch’s SDLT idea is a good one. It needs to be paid for, ideally by land value taxation.

    As it happens I was on a panel at the conference fringe on Monday and we were asked a question by a CIOT representative in the audience about what single revenue-neutral tax measure we would suggest to boost growth.

    I said abolish SDLT and replace with land value taxation. TimSdamus. I did think the shadow treasury minister to my right looked a bit perplexed by my answer. Did he worry there was a leak?

    That's the rub.

    There's half a good idea here- SDLT is a bad way of taxing things- it's lumpy and deters people from moving house. But the other half of the idea is missing; the "plan" is that fairies are going to provide the money, and the effect would be to bung cash at rich southern downsizers.

    As things stand, the badness of the second half (which bit of the "there's not even enough money to afford a note saying that there's no money" do the Conservatives not understand?) outweighs the virtue of the first half.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,071
    Is it true that the Greens now have more members than the LDs?

    https://xcancel.com/natehiggins/status/1974406058341982356#m
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,295

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    I just watched it. Was certainly well-delivered and she seemed entirely at ease: a good sign as temperament is incredibly important in a role like that.

    I keep going backwards and forwards with Kemi. She has become leader too early, perhaps fatally so, like Hague. And yet, the talent is there, and maybe a sprinkling of stardust. But the ogre of May 2026 lies in wait. I wish her luck as she could well be a good thing.
    I thought the speech utterly incoherent. Actually worse than Liz Truss. The difference of course was that Truss was Prime Minister and important, while Badenoch fortunately is irrelevant.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,770
    isam said:

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    The Times loved it. I’m glad she did well, it would be a shame if she were the equivalent of a one cap wonder. In an ideal world the stories and Reform will team up somehow. I think I might be beginning to prefer Badenoch’s Tories to Reform, who seem to be a little bit brash

    Kemi Badenoch stamps her authority and gets the crowd on its feet

    She pulled it off. She marched from the stage in a vague sense of triumph. There were chants of “Kemi! Kemi! Kemi!”. They may have been more than a little underwhelming, but they happened. On her way out of the hall she shook hands with a young man who appeared at first sight to be standing on the safety barrier but was, in fact, merely the tallest person anyone present had ever seen, seven feet at a minimum.

    Her first ever conference speech had been a success. If the Tories have any desire to be taken even remotely seriously ever again, they may wish to consider resisting the temptation to make it her last.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/88da6c7a-50b0-4c9a-a0f0-381082113622?shareToken=4e1c782b35704a9fa65fde12e395f60a
    ‘Tories’ not ‘stories’ 🙈
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,139

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    Nigelb said:

    This is their big growth idea ?

    Pffft.

    Pubs to stay open until early hours in move to boost UK growth
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/08/pub-opening-hours-in-england-and-wales-could-be-extended

    Didn't Tone usher in twenty-four hour drinking all those years ago?
    Someone could write a book on the methodical process by which late night stuff is being cutoff and shut down.

    My favourite, recently, was the opposition of the police to a jazz venue in Covent Garden. Which would lead to crime, according to the police.

    No, they didn’t think that black musicians would be encouraging the smoking of The Demon Weed.

    They said that it would encourage muggers and pickpockets to target the clientele….
    Forget the day-to-day weather; the long-term climatic cycle has been that the British Boomers (born up to about 1965) have basically got what they wanted at each stage of their lives. Hedonism in their youth, as much free education as they wanted, cheap money and houses as they settled down, low taxes while they were paying in... then slam on the brakes, no more building by me, defintiely no noisy young people and more generous provision than they funded for their parents.

    And they have been so electorally hefty that politicians have had little choice but to dance to their tune.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,859

    TimS said:

    Badenoch’s SDLT idea is a good one. It needs to be paid for, ideally by land value taxation.

    As it happens I was on a panel at the conference fringe on Monday and we were asked a question by a CIOT representative in the audience about what single revenue-neutral tax measure we would suggest to boost growth.

    I said abolish SDLT and replace with land value taxation. TimSdamus. I did think the shadow treasury minister to my right looked a bit perplexed by my answer. Did he worry there was a leak?

    That's the rub.

    There's half a good idea here- SDLT is a bad way of taxing things- it's lumpy and deters people from moving house. But the other half of the idea is missing; the "plan" is that fairies are going to provide the money, and the effect would be to bung cash at rich southern downsizers.

    As things stand, the badness of the second half (which bit of the "there's not even enough money to afford a note saying that there's no money" do the Conservatives not understand?) outweighs the virtue of the first half.
    Utter garbage.

    The Tories identified £47bn worth of savings. Not enough granted, but a start. They have 'spent' approximately £8bn of that in tax cuts. That makes them £39bn more responsible than your bunch of goons. As things stand, it makes them more responsible fiscally than any major party, and it isn't even close.

    Your very acute case of sour grapes that the Tory conference was a success is embarrassing. I'd have a lie down and forget about it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,818

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    Nigelb said:

    This is their big growth idea ?

    Pffft.

    Pubs to stay open until early hours in move to boost UK growth
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/08/pub-opening-hours-in-england-and-wales-could-be-extended

    Didn't Tone usher in twenty-four hour drinking all those years ago?
    Someone could write a book on the methodical process by which late night stuff is being cutoff and shut down.

    My favourite, recently, was the opposition of the police to a jazz venue in Covent Garden. Which would lead to crime, according to the police.

    No, they didn’t think that black musicians would be encouraging the smoking of The Demon Weed.

    They said that it would encourage muggers and pickpockets to target the clientele….
    Forget the day-to-day weather; the long-term climatic cycle has been that the British Boomers (born up to about 1965) have basically got what they wanted at each stage of their lives. Hedonism in their youth, as much free education as they wanted, cheap money and houses as they settled down, low taxes while they were paying in... then slam on the brakes, no more building by me, defintiely no noisy young people and more generous provision than they funded for their parents.

    And they have been so electorally hefty that politicians have had little choice but to dance to their tune.
    Glad I was born a year too late.
    They sound selfish bastards.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,075

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,436
    @emmamurphyitv

    Sources close to Hamas telling me a deal is done between Israel and Hamas on #Gaza. “Now for the hard work” he added. Announcement could come as soon as tonight.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,432

    a

    Nigelb said:

    This is their big growth idea ?

    Pffft.

    Pubs to stay open until early hours in move to boost UK growth
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/08/pub-opening-hours-in-england-and-wales-could-be-extended

    Didn't Tone usher in twenty-four hour drinking all those years ago?
    Someone could write a book on the methodical process by which late night stuff is being cutoff and shut down.

    My favourite, recently, was the opposition of the police to a jazz venue in Covent Garden. Which would lead to crime, according to the police.

    No, they didn’t think that black musicians would be encouraging the smoking of The Demon Weed.

    They said that it would encourage muggers and pickpockets to target the clientele….
    Forget the day-to-day weather; the long-term climatic cycle has been that the British Boomers (born up to about 1965) have basically got what they wanted at each stage of their lives. Hedonism in their youth, as much free education as they wanted, cheap money and houses as they settled down, low taxes while they were paying in... then slam on the brakes, no more building by me, defintiely no noisy young people and more generous provision than they funded for their parents.

    And they have been so electorally hefty that politicians have had little choice but to dance to their tune.
    It's not so much old residents in, say, Soho. The dynamics are much more interesting. Part is property developers - see the chap closing the Prince Charles Cinema. Part is using people living in council housing in the areas as the complaints to head the campaigns. There is a a lot of money behind this and it's quite methodical.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,818
    Am struggling to understand why a massive tax cut for expensive homeowners in the southeast would have been received so positively by the folk at the Times?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,436
    @evanvucci

    Secretary of State Marco Rubio whispers in the ear of President Donald Trump after handing him a note about a Middle East deal saying “Very close. We need you to approve a Truth Social post soon so you can announce deal first”

    https://x.com/evanvucci/status/1976040805677867015
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800
    edited October 8

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
    Kemi explained where the money is coming from and it has been welcomed by most think tanks with Paul Johnson formerly of the IFS saying it is the worse of many bad taxes

    Furthermore it will be excellent for growth

    She is not speaking to the tribal opposition but laying out a path to a recovering party

    Reeves has done far more damage to our economy than the 6 weeks of Truss evidenced by higher bond rates today
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800
    Scott_xP said:

    @emmamurphyitv

    Sources close to Hamas telling me a deal is done between Israel and Hamas on #Gaza. “Now for the hard work” he added. Announcement could come as soon as tonight.

    Fingers crossed
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,859

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
    Kemi explained where the money is coming from and it has been welcomed by most think tanks with Paul Johnson formerly of the IFS saying it is the worse of many bad taxes

    Furthermore it will be excellent for growth

    She is not speaking to the tribal opposition but laying out a path to a recovering party

    Reeves has done far more damage to our economy than the 6 weeks of Truss evidenced by higher bond rates today
    Quite.

    I was wondering what you thought of the speech, and it's nice to be aligned for once.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,859
    FF43 said:

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    I just watched it. Was certainly well-delivered and she seemed entirely at ease: a good sign as temperament is incredibly important in a role like that.

    I keep going backwards and forwards with Kemi. She has become leader too early, perhaps fatally so, like Hague. And yet, the talent is there, and maybe a sprinkling of stardust. But the ogre of May 2026 lies in wait. I wish her luck as she could well be a good thing.
    I thought the speech utterly incoherent. Actually worse than Liz Truss. The difference of course was that Truss was Prime Minister and important, while Badenoch fortunately is irrelevant.
    You OK hun?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,557

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
    Not at all. The Tories' nonsense won't stand up to scrutiny. Their so-called savings are just wishful thinking. Cutting waste, part 65.

    But it will grab them some positive headlines in their lickspittle press.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,246

    TimS said:

    Badenoch’s SDLT idea is a good one. It needs to be paid for, ideally by land value taxation.

    As it happens I was on a panel at the conference fringe on Monday and we were asked a question by a CIOT representative in the audience about what single revenue-neutral tax measure we would suggest to boost growth.

    I said abolish SDLT and replace with land value taxation. TimSdamus. I did think the shadow treasury minister to my right looked a bit perplexed by my answer. Did he worry there was a leak?

    That's the rub.

    There's half a good idea here- SDLT is a bad way of taxing things- it's lumpy and deters people from moving house. But the other half of the idea is missing; the "plan" is that fairies are going to provide the money, and the effect would be to bung cash at rich southern downsizers.

    As things stand, the badness of the second half (which bit of the "there's not even enough money to afford a note saying that there's no money" do the Conservatives not understand?) outweighs the virtue of the first half.
    The attraction of stamp duty is that there is actually liquid cash to tax. The nonsense is that the buyer pays the tax while the seller makes the profit.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,954
    KEMI!!!!!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,557

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
    Kemi explained where the money is coming from and it has been welcomed by most think tanks with Paul Johnson formerly of the IFS saying it is the worse of many bad taxes

    Furthermore it will be excellent for growth

    She is not speaking to the tribal opposition but laying out a path to a recovering party

    Reeves has done far more damage to our economy than the 6 weeks of Truss evidenced by higher bond rates today
    Property prices will simply rise to make up the difference. Buyers will be no better off, but sellers will trouser the cash that would otherwise be funding public services and bolstering the nation's defences.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
    Not at all. The Tories' nonsense won't stand up to scrutiny. Their so-called savings are just wishful thinking. Cutting waste, part 65.y

    But it will grab them some positive headlines in their lickspittle press.
    You do seen rattled, and she explained where the money is coming from, and it has been widely welcomed

    She has a mountain to climb but she started today and best of all the loser is Jenrick

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
    Kemi explained where the money is coming from and it has been welcomed by most think tanks with Paul Johnson formerly of the IFS saying it is the worse of many bad taxes

    Furthermore it will be excellent for growth

    She is not speaking to the tribal opposition but laying out a path to a recovering party

    Reeves has done far more damage to our economy than the 6 weeks of Truss evidenced by higher bond rates today
    Quite.

    I was wondering what you thought of the speech, and it's nice to be aligned for once.
    Yes indeed
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,954
    edited October 8

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    Remember, who was on the Kemi bandwagon on PB before anyone else... ;)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800
    edited October 8

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    A tad rattled?
    Kemi explained where the money is coming from and it has been welcomed by most think tanks with Paul Johnson formerly of the IFS saying it is the worse of many bad taxes

    Furthermore it will be excellent for growth

    She is not speaking to the tribal opposition but laying out a path to a recovering party

    Reeves has done far more damage to our economy than the 6 weeks of Truss evidenced by higher bond rates today
    Property prices will simply rise to make up the difference. Buyers will be no better off, but sellers will trouser the cash that would otherwise be funding public services and bolstering the nation's defences.
    Property prices are governed by affordability and adding stamp duty will make them much more unaffordable

    The money saved will generate a lot of growth in the economy to pay towards public services and pay down debt
  • eekeek Posts: 31,469

    TimS said:

    Badenoch’s SDLT idea is a good one. It needs to be paid for, ideally by land value taxation.

    As it happens I was on a panel at the conference fringe on Monday and we were asked a question by a CIOT representative in the audience about what single revenue-neutral tax measure we would suggest to boost growth.

    I said abolish SDLT and replace with land value taxation. TimSdamus. I did think the shadow treasury minister to my right looked a bit perplexed by my answer. Did he worry there was a leak?

    That's the rub.

    There's half a good idea here- SDLT is a bad way of taxing things- it's lumpy and deters people from moving house. But the other half of the idea is missing; the "plan" is that fairies are going to provide the money, and the effect would be to bung cash at rich southern downsizers.

    As things stand, the badness of the second half (which bit of the "there's not even enough money to afford a note saying that there's no money" do the Conservatives not understand?) outweighs the virtue of the first half.
    Utter garbage.

    The Tories identified £47bn worth of savings. Not enough granted, but a start. They have 'spent' approximately £8bn of that in tax cuts. That makes them £39bn more responsible than your bunch of goons. As things stand, it makes them more responsible fiscally than any major party, and it isn't even close.

    Your very acute case of sour grapes that the Tory conference was a success is embarrassing. I'd have a lie down and forget about it.
    Um not quite - they've claimed to find £47bn of spending cuts but without exact details we don't know if that figure is accurate or complete bullshit.

    Remember Reform found a whole set of cuts at Kent County Council - supposedly enough that next years council tax increase was cancelled.

    Now 4 months later it's looking like another 5% increase to council tax in Kent...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,639

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800
    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
  • eekeek Posts: 31,469

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Yes but it is good politics
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,295
    edited October 8

    FF43 said:

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    I just watched it. Was certainly well-delivered and she seemed entirely at ease: a good sign as temperament is incredibly important in a role like that.

    I keep going backwards and forwards with Kemi. She has become leader too early, perhaps fatally so, like Hague. And yet, the talent is there, and maybe a sprinkling of stardust. But the ogre of May 2026 lies in wait. I wish her luck as she could well be a good thing.
    I thought the speech utterly incoherent. Actually worse than Liz Truss. The difference of course was that Truss was Prime Minister and important, while Badenoch fortunately is irrelevant.
    You OK hun?
    Not really politically speaking but Badenoch's dismal Conference speech has nothing to do with that. Half her speech was platitudes and insults against the other parties - mainly Labour even though Labour isn't at all the driver for the Conservatives' 16% standing in the polls. But fair enough, if a party leader can't serve platitudes and insult the other parties in a conference speech, when can they?

    The other half is the problem. So she says:

    [Young people] feel they are living somewhere where things never get any better. Britain is stagnating, while the world around us moves on. We are competing with restless and ambitious countries around the world. We are competing with a billion people in India striving to become middle class. We are competing with economic success stories like Poland. 15 years ago, Polish workers came here to find opportunity. Now, Poland is growing twice as fast as we are. While Britain was redefining what a woman is, China was building five nuclear reactors.

    On whose watch did this happen and why? Does she think that happened entirely in the last 14 months? Actually from the rest of the speech it appears she does. But not the slightest hint of the "bold ideas", "positive vision for this country" and "plan to deliver it" in her speech.

    A public sector which already every year, demands more and more and more of our money, yet services don’t get better, they get worse.

    Why does she think this is? (I have a good idea and interestingly I don't think it's mainly the previous government's fault). Her solution for collapsing public services is to spend less money on them.

    Her "fully costed savings" that offset uncosted tax cuts
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,075
    How many of the Israeli hostages are going to be still alive? Single fingers?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,800
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    I just watched it. Was certainly well-delivered and she seemed entirely at ease: a good sign as temperament is incredibly important in a role like that.

    I keep going backwards and forwards with Kemi. She has become leader too early, perhaps fatally so, like Hague. And yet, the talent is there, and maybe a sprinkling of stardust. But the ogre of May 2026 lies in wait. I wish her luck as she could well be a good thing.
    I thought the speech utterly incoherent. Actually worse than Liz Truss. The difference of course was that Truss was Prime Minister and important, while Badenoch fortunately is irrelevant.
    You OK hun?
    Not really politically speaking but Badenoch's dismal Conference speech has nothing to do with that. Half her speech was platitudes and insults against the other parties - mainly Labour even though Labour isn't at all the driver for the Conservatives' 16% standing in the polls. But fair enough, if a party leader can't serve platitudes and insult the other parties in a conference speech, when can they?

    The other half is the problem. So she says:

    [Young people] feel they are living somewhere where things never get any better. Britain is stagnating, while the world around us moves on. We are competing with restless and ambitious countries around the world. We are competing with a billion people in India striving to become middle class. We are competing with economic success stories like Poland. 15 years ago, Polish workers came here to find opportunity. Now, Poland is growing twice as fast as we are. While Britain was redefining what a woman is, China was building five nuclear reactors.

    On whose watch did this happen and why? Does she think that happened entirely in the last 14 months? Actually from the rest of the speech it appears she does. But not the slightest hint of the "bold ideas", "positive vision for this country" and "plan to deliver it" in her speech.

    A public sector which already every year, demands more and more and more of our money, yet services don’t get better, they get worse.

    Why does she think this is? (I have a good idea and interestingly I don't think it's mainly the previous government's fault). Her solution for collapsing public services is to spend less money on them.

    Her "fully costed savings" that offset mostly uncosted tax cuts
    Starmer and Reeves have done far more damage to our economy with their job destroying budgets and enormous new black hole entirely made in nos 10 and 11
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,818

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    I just watched it. Was certainly well-delivered and she seemed entirely at ease: a good sign as temperament is incredibly important in a role like that.

    I keep going backwards and forwards with Kemi. She has become leader too early, perhaps fatally so, like Hague. And yet, the talent is there, and maybe a sprinkling of stardust. But the ogre of May 2026 lies in wait. I wish her luck as she could well be a good thing.
    I thought the speech utterly incoherent. Actually worse than Liz Truss. The difference of course was that Truss was Prime Minister and important, while Badenoch fortunately is irrelevant.
    You OK hun?
    Not really politically speaking but Badenoch's dismal Conference speech has nothing to do with that. Half her speech was platitudes and insults against the other parties - mainly Labour even though Labour isn't at all the driver for the Conservatives' 16% standing in the polls. But fair enough, if a party leader can't serve platitudes and insult the other parties in a conference speech, when can they?

    The other half is the problem. So she says:

    [Young people] feel they are living somewhere where things never get any better. Britain is stagnating, while the world around us moves on. We are competing with restless and ambitious countries around the world. We are competing with a billion people in India striving to become middle class. We are competing with economic success stories like Poland. 15 years ago, Polish workers came here to find opportunity. Now, Poland is growing twice as fast as we are. While Britain was redefining what a woman is, China was building five nuclear reactors.

    On whose watch did this happen and why? Does she think that happened entirely in the last 14 months? Actually from the rest of the speech it appears she does. But not the slightest hint of the "bold ideas", "positive vision for this country" and "plan to deliver it" in her speech.

    A public sector which already every year, demands more and more and more of our money, yet services don’t get better, they get worse.

    Why does she think this is? (I have a good idea and interestingly I don't think it's mainly the previous government's fault). Her solution for collapsing public services is to spend less money on them.

    Her "fully costed savings" that offset mostly uncosted tax cuts
    Starmer and Reeves have done far more damage to our economy with their job destroying budgets and enormous new black hole entirely made in nos 10 and 11
    No they haven't.
    Give them time and they may.
    But it's a colossal leap of magical thinking to imagine they've undone 14 years in 14 months.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,295
    .

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Kemi's speech - bloody brilliant.

    I just watched it. Was certainly well-delivered and she seemed entirely at ease: a good sign as temperament is incredibly important in a role like that.

    I keep going backwards and forwards with Kemi. She has become leader too early, perhaps fatally so, like Hague. And yet, the talent is there, and maybe a sprinkling of stardust. But the ogre of May 2026 lies in wait. I wish her luck as she could well be a good thing.
    I thought the speech utterly incoherent. Actually worse than Liz Truss. The difference of course was that Truss was Prime Minister and important, while Badenoch fortunately is irrelevant.
    You OK hun?
    Not really politically speaking but Badenoch's dismal Conference speech has nothing to do with that. Half her speech was platitudes and insults against the other parties - mainly Labour even though Labour isn't at all the driver for the Conservatives' 16% standing in the polls. But fair enough, if a party leader can't serve platitudes and insult the other parties in a conference speech, when can they?

    The other half is the problem. So she says:

    [Young people] feel they are living somewhere where things never get any better. Britain is stagnating, while the world around us moves on. We are competing with restless and ambitious countries around the world. We are competing with a billion people in India striving to become middle class. We are competing with economic success stories like Poland. 15 years ago, Polish workers came here to find opportunity. Now, Poland is growing twice as fast as we are. While Britain was redefining what a woman is, China was building five nuclear reactors.

    On whose watch did this happen and why? Does she think that happened entirely in the last 14 months? Actually from the rest of the speech it appears she does. But not the slightest hint of the "bold ideas", "positive vision for this country" and "plan to deliver it" in her speech.

    A public sector which already every year, demands more and more and more of our money, yet services don’t get better, they get worse.

    Why does she think this is? (I have a good idea and interestingly I don't think it's mainly the previous government's fault). Her solution for collapsing public services is to spend less money on them.

    Her "fully costed savings" that offset mostly uncosted tax cuts
    Starmer and Reeves have done far more damage to our economy with their job destroying budgets and enormous new black hole entirely made in nos 10 and 11
    I blame Starmer and Reeves for not focusing on growth as they said they were going to do and have got far too much caught up in Reform's culture wars. Nevertheless economic growth so far is marginally higher than it was in the last couple of years when Badenoch was in government.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,639
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Of course it will help farmers by ensuring they can pass on the family farm to their sons rather than many having to sell up. Indeed the family farm tax is so awful that not only the Conservatives but Reform, the LDs and even the SNP have also pledged to scrap it.

    Reeves could have required farmland to be actively used for livestock or crops to benefit from the agricultural property relief from inheritance tax exemption if she wanted to hit tax dodgers
  • eekeek Posts: 31,469

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Yes but it is good politics
    Only for the hard of thinking - there are very few votes in farming even in rural areas...
  • isamisam Posts: 42,770
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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,818
    edited October 8

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Yes but it is good politics
    Yes. They've bought off pensioners, farmers, private schools and wealthy SE home owners.
    All just at the cost of the mentally ill, Northerners, renters, the climate, those who can't afford five figures a year for their kids' education and other people of no importance.
    They're putting the band back together for another Century of British growth.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,639
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Yes but it is good politics
    Yes. They've bought off pensioners, farmers and wealthy SE home owners.
    All just at the cost of the mentally ill, Northerners, renters and the climate and other people of no merit.
    They're putting the band back together for another Century of British growth.
    The mentally ill will be helped back to work, more apprenticeships will be available for young northerners, renters will still have homes to rent as landlords will not be hammered as Labour and the Greens plan to do
  • eekeek Posts: 31,469
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Of course it will help farmers by ensuring they can pass on the family farm to their sons rather than many having to sell up. Indeed the family farm tax is so awful that not only the Conservatives but Reform, the LDs and even the SNP have also pledged to scrap it.

    Reeves could have required farmland to be actively used for livestock or crops to benefit from the agricultural property relief from inheritance tax exemption if she wanted to hit tax dodgers
    Um the land is usually actively used just by a tenant farmer....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,818
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Yes but it is good politics
    Yes. They've bought off pensioners, farmers and wealthy SE home owners.
    All just at the cost of the mentally ill, Northerners, renters and the climate and other people of no merit.
    They're putting the band back together for another Century of British growth.
    The mentally ill will be helped back to work, more apprenticeships will be available for young northerners, renters will still have homes to rent as landlords will not be hammered as Labour and the Greens plan to do
    No they won't.
    They weren't before. Where are the detailed plans to outline how this will happen now?
    And. More pertinently. Why should we be stupid enough to believe there is the will to do any of this?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,639
    eek said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Yes but it is good politics
    Only for the hard of thinking - there are very few votes in farming even in rural areas...
    In small hamlets and villages like where we live half the population are farmers or work on farms and in rural seats those voters can swing such seats. Hence not only rural Tory MPs but rural LD and SNP MPs and Reform oppose the hated family farm tax
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,818
    edited October 8
    isam said:

    …..

    You have to say that's a fine looking cherry pie.
    If the eating is half as good ...
    Then maybe he'll deserve the Nobel Prize.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,639
    edited October 8
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Conference season ends and I believe the unexpected happened

    Kemi Badenoch delivered the best speech, rolled out an array of policies, and stamp duty the 'rabbit out of the hat'

    She energised her supporters and have given them something to sell on the doorstep

    And she did what I prayed she would, sent out a positive [conservative] message and barely mentioned Starmer or Farage

    Labour and Farage fell into the trap of hurling insults at each other to the detriment of both

    The added bonus is Jenrick is the biggest loser

    I do not know how the polls will react, but today was a start on the long road to relevance

    Rabbit out of a hat, or bollocks out of her arse?

    Pound shop Liz Truss.
    No Kemi identified welfare and spending cuts to fund her tax cut
    It wasn't just welfare but cuts in climate change subsidies and increasing north sea production with associated tax income, as well as welcoming back millionaires, entrepreneurs, and wealth creators

    She also will scrap IHT on farmers and abolish vat on private school fees

    Add in banning doctor strikes

    This is conservative policies and is a direct challenge to Labour and Reform
    Scrapping IHT on farmers won't help farmers but just continue the tax dodgy of farm land being a great way of avoiding inheritance tax..
    Of course it will help farmers by ensuring they can pass on the family farm to their sons rather than many having to sell up. Indeed the family farm tax is so awful that not only the Conservatives but Reform, the LDs and even the SNP have also pledged to scrap it.

    Reeves could have required farmland to be actively used for livestock or crops to benefit from the agricultural property relief from inheritance tax exemption if she wanted to hit
    tax dodgers
    Um the land is usually actively
    used just by a tenant farmer....
    So not really just a tax dodge if it is being farmed
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,940
    edited October 8
    PB Tory hyperbole back to levels not seen since the pandemic.

    I thought the week belonged to Jenrick, but it seems an insanely costed positive tax cut does the trick.

    Still if it keeps Farage and Jenrick in their boxes, an £11.6b tax cut with no inverse tax rise, predicated on swingeing cuts not seen between the years 2010 to 2024 and economic growth at a level several times what was seen between 2010 and 2024, I suppose we can view it as a win.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,814
    isam said:

    …..

    Fingers crossed.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,933
    edited October 8
    Keep signing the anti-ID cards petition, nearing 3 million.

    https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=730194
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,818
    edited October 8

    PB Tory hyperbole back to levels not seen since the pandemic.

    I thought the week belonged to Jenrick, but it seems an insanely coated positive tax cut does the trick.

    Still if it keeps Farage and Jenrick in their boxes, an £11.6b tax cut with no inverse tax rise, predicated on swingeing cuts not seen between the years 2010 to 2024 and economic growth at a level several times what was seen between 2010 and 2024, I suppose we can view it as a win.

    The future's bright. The future's Tory.
    The self-evident rectitude of the One True Righteous Path only becomes blatantly obvious to our minds when we mere electors are stupid enough to doubt their Ocean of Wisdom.
    Our collective lack of Faith is disturbing.
    And we shall be duly punished as is Right and Proper.
    How could we mortals have not noticed Stamp Duty was the single thing holding us back before?
    Because we didn't believe hard enough. We dared to doubt.
    How silly of us.
  • How many of the Israeli hostages are going to be still alive? Single fingers?

    Quite. Hamas are butchers, the likelihood of any more than a few hostages not having met a grisly end is remote. Netanyahu presumably knows that and is just waiting for the whole peace process to fall apart when Hamas has to admit they can only hand over bodies at best.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,524

    TimS said:

    Badenoch’s SDLT idea is a good one. It needs to be paid for, ideally by land value taxation.

    As it happens I was on a panel at the conference fringe on Monday and we were asked a question by a CIOT representative in the audience about what single revenue-neutral tax measure we would suggest to boost growth.

    I said abolish SDLT and replace with land value taxation. TimSdamus. I did think the shadow treasury minister to my right looked a bit perplexed by my answer. Did he worry there was a leak?

    That's the rub.

    There's half a good idea here- SDLT is a bad way of taxing things- it's lumpy and deters people from moving house. But the other half of the idea is missing; the "plan" is that fairies are going to provide the money, and the effect would be to bung cash at rich southern downsizers.

    As things stand, the badness of the second half (which bit of the "there's not even enough money to afford a note saying that there's no money" do the Conservatives not understand?) outweighs the virtue of the first half.
    Utter garbage.

    The Tories identified £47bn worth of savings. Not enough granted, but a start. They have 'spent' approximately £8bn of that in tax cuts. That makes them £39bn more responsible than your bunch of goons. As things stand, it makes them more responsible fiscally than any major party, and it isn't even close.

    Your very acute case of sour grapes that the Tory conference was a success is embarrassing. I'd have a lie down and forget about it.
    No it doesn’t work like that lucky. If any of the saving measures are doable, they have just been handed to Labour to play with and don’t pay for anything in the next Conservative Party budget, which is why the flagship policy announcement today is for the end of the next Conservative term in office, not the first Kings Speech. The first thing the policy would do if enacted is put up the price of all properties, and that certainly is a freebie to the property owning class like my family, we own lots of them, especially if this money is just government gift to us in terms of higher property price, not offset by another type of land or property taxation to pay for it.

    People selling will obviously add the removed tax cost to the cost of their property, none of us are stupid enough not to.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,071
    isam said:

    …..

    Well that's good news, or at least the start of it
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,495
    Various comments tonight about how 1% annual tax on house values would let you abolish council tax, SDLT, and IHT at a stroke.

    At the same time it's a policy where the average home owner will pay the same or less in tax as the current council tax bill, with almost all the incidence falling on rich people in the SE.

    Tax simplification. Two fairly unpopular taxes gone, a third one effectively restructured to be considerably more progressive. No loss of tax revenue.

    So - why hasn't one of the parties picked it up and run with it? OK it will make a small number of rich voters very angry, but for Reform and these days the Tories, it probably doesn't matter all that much electorally - a policy with 10 winners to every loser and with the losers geographically concentrated in places you don't win anyway, why care? They will all be ABCs in the SE who vote Lib-Dem anyway.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,231
    Is it because some of the Britian flags are upside down? CCHQ are either useless or out to get Kemi.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,231
    edited 1:35AM
    viewcode said:

    As you may know, AI slop and YouTube algorithms are killing YouTube channels, to the extent it's become it's own genre. Here is Kurzgesagt pointing this out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zfN9wnPvU0 "AI Slop Is Killing Our Channel" 13 mins

    Dove instead of dived. AI or decades of America television?

    ETA and 10-year anniversary rather than 10th anniversary.
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