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Can Polanski direct the Greens to a brighter future? – politicalbetting.com

?/ With the Green Party conference ongoing, we looked at the views of Green members% of members with a favourable view of…Carla Denyer: 85%Zack Polanski: 79%Sian Berry: 78%Adrian Ramsay: 60%Ellie Chowns: 59%Jeremy Corbyn: 83%Ed Davey: 58%Keir Starmer: 18%yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,459
    I am not sure your last paragraph is true. Green members may well not support a Labour coalition, but Green voters are a different bunch and may vote tactically.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,189
    Oh Jeremy Corbyn. And Carla Denyer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,786
    No.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,824
    Hideous news about Lewis Moody. Awful. Sympax in the extreme

    This is something that actually unites NFL and rugby - they both have major problems with brain damage to players and haven’t found a way to really fix it
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,786
    Don't understand Leon's disdain for Gridiron football given his enjoyment of Viking drama.

    The clash of offensive and defensive lines is the shield wall reincarnated.

    There's even a team called the Vikings.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    How predictable.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,673
    Over the last couple of days, I've seen three or four different tweets promoted in the 'For you' section saying things like: "why does this cartoon caricature call himself Zack Polanski when his real name is actually David Paulden, yet Tommeh gets criticised for changing his name?"

    The reason? Polanski is returning to his family name, denied to him due to anti-Semitism. Tommeh changed his name because he's a criminal.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,786

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    Something in common with both the Greens and Reform, then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,288

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,306
    Interesting polling on Greens. I see those who voted for Ramsey/Chowns are the ones who basically want the focus on the environment and sustainability. Perhaps we can call them the old ecology party crowd?

    Small %.

    80K members now apparently. How many have just joined to use the party as the new new left-wing vehicle?

    We are heading to having two parties of the Radical Left if Corbyn gets his act together and it will be very hard to tell them apart.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,105

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    Second contact with reality.

    The first was when they wrote to the government saying they didn't want restrictions on visas for social care workers.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx201znge11o
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
    Reform claimed (and still claim) to have simple solutions to every problem and lo and behold such simple solutions don’t exist. Labour might have their own delulu but they didn’t claim to magically fix everything.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,117
    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
    They went into the election denying reality saying Reform DOGE would cut all wasteful spending on green and woke crap ignoring the fact it wasn't true.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,288

    Interesting polling on Greens. I see those who voted for Ramsey/Chowns are the ones who basically want the focus on the environment and sustainability. Perhaps we can call them the old ecology party crowd?

    Small %.

    80K members now apparently. How many have just joined to use the party as the new new left-wing vehicle?

    We are heading to having two parties of the Radical Left if Corbyn gets his act together and it will be very hard to tell them apart.

    The coverage of the greens conference I’ve seen had Gaza, Gender, evil landlords, wealth tax now and other hard left causes but nothing on the environment

    I wonder if they will become two parties. In cities the Corbynite hard left in the countryside fluffy environmentalists opposing any development
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,117

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,306

    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
    They went into the election denying reality saying Reform DOGE would cut all wasteful spending on green and woke crap ignoring the fact it wasn't true.
    Exactly. The Reform approach is to claim/lie that woke and net zero and all that "crap" is costing so much that there is no need to worry about local government finance. It is simple to solve. We just cut out all the crap and whamoo everything is ok again. It's snake oil.

  • TazTaz Posts: 21,288

    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
    They went into the election denying reality saying Reform DOGE would cut all wasteful spending on green and woke crap ignoring the fact it wasn't true.

    Like I say no different to other parties in that respect.

    Saying what they expected their base wanted to hear
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,306
    As I come from the good olde days of rotten boroughs I was not aware of the word 'delulu' until this morning. :lol:
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,036

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    The problem is too many old people. There are no easy solutions. I don't know why politicians can't focus on this problem rather than constantly casting around for some bogeyman - the EU, immigrants etc - to blame for our ills. It's getting so boring.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,288

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    I hope renters and their lobby groups get what they want and live with the consequences of it. It won’t be good for them 😂
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,553
    I see little point in this YP of Corbyn/Sultana now that the Greens have gone with Polanski.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,239

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    The problem is too many old people. There are no easy solutions. I don't know why politicians can't focus on this problem rather than constantly casting around for some bogeyman - the EU, immigrants etc - to blame for our ills. It's getting so boring.
    Hence the “Assisted Dying Bill”.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,209
    edited 7:41AM
    YES THEY CAN

    I'm joining the exodus to the Greens. Only a threat of Farage winning in a constituency I was voting in and a vote for Labour preventing it would change my mind. Mahmood is indistinguishable from Badenoch and Starmer has reverted to the unthinking Zionist of a year ago. This is no longer a recognisable Labour Party. If Labour sleep with the Angels God help the Angels!

    I'm going to start donating today in case I weaken.

    ZACK's MY MAN!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,306
    edited 7:39AM

    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
    They went into the election denying reality saying Reform DOGE would cut all wasteful spending on green and woke crap ignoring the fact it wasn't true.
    And modelled on Real DOGE - which has been an utter disaster. Is anyone keeping track of how many they have had to rehire because it turns out their jobs weren't "crap" but essential?

    The last lot I read about ran some kind of central service renting office space for government departments. As they had pretty much all been sacked landlords were creaming the money in as no one was negotiating with them and the government was still occupying the offices.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,288

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    The problem is too many old people. There are no easy solutions. I don't know why politicians can't focus on this problem rather than constantly casting around for some bogeyman - the EU, immigrants etc - to blame for our ills. It's getting so boring.
    Labour, who are faultless apparently on this, kicked the problem down the line into the next parliament.

    It’s a massive issue that urgently needs addressing on a cross party basis. Problem is any attempt to solve it is greeted by immediate opposition for party political advantage and all parties are at fault on that respect
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,226
    I think the only thing that might nix Kent and other councils financial issues is to abolish the statutory duty for social care. It might sound brutal but I think that's where we will be in time
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,459

    Interesting polling on Greens. I see those who voted for Ramsey/Chowns are the ones who basically want the focus on the environment and sustainability. Perhaps we can call them the old ecology party crowd?

    Small %.

    80K members now apparently. How many have just joined to use the party as the new new left-wing vehicle?

    We are heading to having two parties of the Radical Left if Corbyn gets his act together and it will be very hard to tell them apart.

    I dont think that true. The environment is way ahead in both Polanskites and The old guard as the number one policy.

    Though like Reform with immigration they do need a full range of policies if serious about government.

    I think Polanski will squeeze out "Your Party" fairly quickly. They are simply too factional.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,288
    Roger said:

    YES THEY CAN

    I'm joining the exodus to the Greens. Only a threat of Farage winning in a constituency I was voting in and a vote for Labour preventing it would change my mind. Mahmood is indistinguishable from Badenoch and Starmer has reverted to the unthinking Zionist of a year ago. This is no longer a recognisable Labour Party. If Labour sleep with the Angels God help the Angels!

    I'm going to start donating today in case I weaken. Zach's my man!

    FOM isn’t coming back
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,762

    Over the last couple of days, I've seen three or four different tweets promoted in the 'For you' section saying things like: "why does this cartoon caricature call himself Zack Polanski when his real name is actually David Paulden, yet Tommeh gets criticised for changing his name?"

    The reason? Polanski is returning to his family name, denied to him due to anti-Semitism. Tommeh changed his name because he's a criminal.

    Dave came up with Zack all by himself
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,239
    edited 7:42AM
    Have a video of the largest oil terminal in Crimea, suffering from an unexpected conflagration overnight.

    https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1975081937346687114
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,762

    Over the last couple of days, I've seen three or four different tweets promoted in the 'For you' section saying things like: "why does this cartoon caricature call himself Zack Polanski when his real name is actually David Paulden, yet Tommeh gets criticised for changing his name?"

    The reason? Polanski is returning to his family name, denied to him due to anti-Semitism. Tommeh changed his name because he's a criminal.

    Dave came up with Zack all by himself
    When discussing this yesterday, politicians who use their middle names (James Brown, Al Johnson and Gideon Osborne) were mentioned

    Greta should use hers: Tintin Thunberg
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    Pulpstar said:

    I think the only thing that might nix Kent and other councils financial issues is to abolish the statutory duty for social care. It might sound brutal but I think that's where we will be in time

    I don’t think local councils should be responsible for social care to begin with. What a stupid idea.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,056
    A verbatim extract from Trump’s speech to the US top military, courtesy of the Guardian:

    America is respected again as a country. We were not respected with Biden. They looked at him falling down stairs every day. Every day, the guy’s falling down stairs. I said: ‘It’s not our president. We can’t have it.’ I’m very careful, you know, when I walk downstairs for – like I’m on stairs, like these stairs, I’m very – I walk very slowly. Nobody has to set a record, just try not to fall because it doesn’t work out well. A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy. We don’t want that. Need to walk nice and easy. You not have – you don’t have to set any record. Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don’t, don’t bop down the stairs. That’s the one thing with Obama, I had zero respect for him as a president, but he would bop down those stairs, I’ve never seen – da da da da da da, bop, bop, bop, he’d go down the stairs, wouldn’t hold on. I said, it’s great, I don’t want to do it. I guess I could do it, but eventually bad things are going to happen and it only takes once, but he did a lousy job as president.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,105

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    The problem is too many old people. There are no easy solutions. I don't know why politicians can't focus on this problem rather than constantly casting around for some bogeyman - the EU, immigrants etc - to blame for our ills. It's getting so boring.
    Politicians can't focus on the problem of the number of and demands of old people, because they are such a huge chunk of the electorate.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,125

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,306

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,306
    IanB2 said:

    A verbatim extract from Trump’s speech to the US top military, courtesy of the Guardian:

    America is respected again as a country. We were not respected with Biden. They looked at him falling down stairs every day. Every day, the guy’s falling down stairs. I said: ‘It’s not our president. We can’t have it.’ I’m very careful, you know, when I walk downstairs for – like I’m on stairs, like these stairs, I’m very – I walk very slowly. Nobody has to set a record, just try not to fall because it doesn’t work out well. A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy. We don’t want that. Need to walk nice and easy. You not have – you don’t have to set any record. Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don’t, don’t bop down the stairs. That’s the one thing with Obama, I had zero respect for him as a president, but he would bop down those stairs, I’ve never seen – da da da da da da, bop, bop, bop, he’d go down the stairs, wouldn’t hold on. I said, it’s great, I don’t want to do it. I guess I could do it, but eventually bad things are going to happen and it only takes once, but he did a lousy job as president.

    Nurse!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,105

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    And because of that, investors invest in buying existing property (because that's where the simple sure profits are), rather than anything new and useful.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    Because they do the absolute bare minimum and expect and feel they are entitled to massive rents and think they’re doing a civic duty in the process. (Yes, I know, not all landlords, but the experience is pretty universal in my age group and below).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,117

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,148

    PM quits.

    (French PM)

    Sebastien Lecornu lasted 27 days, which equates to 2.45 Scaramuccis, or about 0.55 Liz Trusses

    https://x.com/realBenBloch/status/1975107409174810809

    0.55 Liz Trusses :lol:
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    edited 7:57AM

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
    You’re falling into the trap of believing that you’re doing some sort of civic good rather than simply investing in an unproductive asset.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,148

    Over the last couple of days, I've seen three or four different tweets promoted in the 'For you' section saying things like: "why does this cartoon caricature call himself Zack Polanski when his real name is actually David Paulden, yet Tommeh gets criticised for changing his name?"

    The reason? Polanski is returning to his family name, denied to him due to anti-Semitism. Tommeh changed his name because he's a criminal.

    Dave came up with Zack all by himself
    When discussing this yesterday, politicians who use their middle names (James Brown, Al Johnson and Gideon Osborne) were mentioned

    Greta should use hers: Tintin Thunberg
    King Edward VIII or King David??
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,853
    Roger said:

    YES THEY CAN

    I'm joining the exodus to the Greens. Only a threat of Farage winning in a constituency I was voting in and a vote for Labour preventing it would change my mind. Mahmood is indistinguishable from Badenoch and Starmer has reverted to the unthinking Zionist of a year ago. This is no longer a recognisable Labour Party. If Labour sleep with the Angels God help the Angels!

    I'm going to start donating today in case I weaken.

    ZACK's MY MAN!

    Have a strong coffee, take a long walk and shake off the hangover.

    Surely you are too old for student politics?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,339
    This is a new and unfortunately very low point from Angela Merkel: to blame the Baltic states and Poland for triggering Russia’s imperial war.

    Sadly, this casts a shadow over her entire period as Germany’s chancellor. I won’t even start talking about Nord Stream here.


    https://x.com/markomihkelson/status/1975067451076616553
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,052

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    Nobody forces people to rent properties from them.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    edited 7:58AM
    malcolmg said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    Nobody forces people to rent properties from them.
    Yeah man. Everyone should simply live in tents in the street instead. What an absolutely stupid and utterly out of touch comment.

    If there was a housing surplus your point would have some merit but we don’t so it doesn’t.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,209

    Interesting polling on Greens. I see those who voted for Ramsey/Chowns are the ones who basically want the focus on the environment and sustainability. Perhaps we can call them the old ecology party crowd?

    Small %.

    80K members now apparently. How many have just joined to use the party as the new new left-wing vehicle?

    We are heading to having two parties of the Radical Left if Corbyn gets his act together and it will be very hard to tell them apart.

    Corbyn will never get his act together. He doesn't want a Party. He was just humouring the over ambitious Sultana. As a combo they offered nothing new. I sense Zack could be different. I understand why he likes Corbyn. The man has values. But he's now got his own Party and hopefully enough political acumen to know Corbyn and Sultana's baggage is a liability
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,398
    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
    Whatever you may think of KCC, it was my experience they were a well-run county council and the amounts of waste claimed by Reform just didn't exist and this has been proved during Reform's long (and no doubt costly) review of the county council's finances.

    The 2025-26 Budget had been passed by the previous administration - the Blue Book containing details of all council expenditure was in the public domain but Reform couldn't or wouldn't go through it before the election and identify areas of potential savings apart from the pensions (which Reform think they can manage better than the LPGS).

    I do agree the funding model for local Government is broken - the tax base remains the 1991 revaluation for residential properties which is absurd. Property owners now need to contribute a reasonable sum based on the true value of their properties while somebody (and perhaps Reform can have a go) needs to resolve the funding of social care for vulnerable adults AND children as well as dealing with SEN referrals and the cost of temporary housing accommodation (perhaps once the migrants have gone, we can use the hotels to house our actual homeless).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383

    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here.

    Politicians say what they need to get elected then ‘find problems’ and blame others.

    No different to any other party.
    They went into the election denying reality saying Reform DOGE would cut all wasteful spending on green and woke crap ignoring the fact it wasn't true.
    And modelled on Real DOGE - which has been an utter disaster. Is anyone keeping track of how many they have had to rehire because it turns out their jobs weren't "crap" but essential?

    The last lot I read about ran some kind of central service renting office space for government departments. As they had pretty much all been sacked landlords were creaming the money in as no one was negotiating with them and the government was still occupying the offices.
    Gordon Brown's famous gold sale was because he had disbanded the Bank of England gold managing unit. This bought and sold gold for the Bank of England. It had made a small profit for every year of its existence.

    So when Gordon sold the gold, he simply announced to the market beforehand, and crashed the price. Then sold. This actually caused moderately serious difficulties for the ANC government in South Africa - who actually asked why they were being attacked.....
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,339

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    Kent is the place where Zia Yusuf claimed to have discovered £350m in spare money.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,052
    Taz said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    I hope renters and their lobby groups get what they want and live with the consequences of it. It won’t be good for them 😂
    Once they are in tents they will have time to think about it, nothing but grifters about nowadays wanting to steal anything they can get from anybody.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    The problem is actually a shortage of places for people to live. Unlike certain posters here, the majority of adults do not want to live in an HMO (often an impromptu one, illegally divided up, without the required safety features).

    The problem for the Greens is that they can't advocate building more. So they need a squirrel to point to on housing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,052

    malcolmg said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    Nobody forces people to rent properties from them.
    Yeah man. Everyone should simply live in tents in the street instead. What an absolutely stupid and utterly out of touch comment.

    If there was a housing surplus your point would have some merit but we don’t so it doesn’t.
    So you think stealing other people's property is the answer rather than building more social housing comrade.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    Nobody forces people to rent properties from them.
    Yeah man. Everyone should simply live in tents in the street instead. What an absolutely stupid and utterly out of touch comment.

    If there was a housing surplus your point would have some merit but we don’t so it doesn’t.
    So you think stealing other people's property is the answer rather than building more social housing comrade.
    I didn’t say anything about stealing other people’s property.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,853

    Over the last couple of days, I've seen three or four different tweets promoted in the 'For you' section saying things like: "why does this cartoon caricature call himself Zack Polanski when his real name is actually David Paulden, yet Tommeh gets criticised for changing his name?"

    The reason? Polanski is returning to his family name, denied to him due to anti-Semitism. Tommeh changed his name because he's a criminal.

    Dave came up with Zack all by himself
    When discussing this yesterday, politicians who use their middle names (James Brown, Al Johnson and Gideon Osborne) were mentioned

    Greta should use hers: Tintin Thunberg
    Herge presents : Tintin and the 40 year stretch in an Israeli jail.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,392
    IanB2 said:

    A verbatim extract from Trump’s speech to the US top military, courtesy of the Guardian:

    America is respected again as a country. We were not respected with Biden. They looked at him falling down stairs every day. Every day, the guy’s falling down stairs. I said: ‘It’s not our president. We can’t have it.’ I’m very careful, you know, when I walk downstairs for – like I’m on stairs, like these stairs, I’m very – I walk very slowly. Nobody has to set a record, just try not to fall because it doesn’t work out well. A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy. We don’t want that. Need to walk nice and easy. You not have – you don’t have to set any record. Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don’t, don’t bop down the stairs. That’s the one thing with Obama, I had zero respect for him as a president, but he would bop down those stairs, I’ve never seen – da da da da da da, bop, bop, bop, he’d go down the stairs, wouldn’t hold on. I said, it’s great, I don’t want to do it. I guess I could do it, but eventually bad things are going to happen and it only takes once, but he did a lousy job as president.

    The combination of passages like that, with the passage about using American cities as a training ground, and the reality of the military assault on an apartment building in Chicago over the weekend is completely surreal and terrifying.

    I am struggling to reconcile the twin images of Trump as a pathetic old coward and wannabe cosplay dictator, and the reality of nameless people acting out his authoritarian fantasies on the streets of America.

    Where is Congress? Where are the Courts? What of the famed checks and balances of the Constitution?

    I'm also still waiting for Farage to suffer by association with the Trump madness in America. Hasn't happened yet.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,541
    So only 7% of Green Party members are environmentalists.

    And most of them want to bulldoze over the countryside to build more homes.

    Time for a new party.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,052

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    The problem is too many old people. There are no easy solutions. I don't know why politicians can't focus on this problem rather than constantly casting around for some bogeyman - the EU, immigrants etc - to blame for our ills. It's getting so boring.
    Too many young spongers and not enough older people to pay for everything the lazy gits want for nothing , bunch of scroungers with their poor me I have anxiety about actually doing a day's work the state must keep me and give me a free house and and and
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,541

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    The problem is actually a shortage of places for people to live. Unlike certain posters here, the majority of adults do not want to live in an HMO (often an impromptu one, illegally divided up, without the required safety features).

    The problem for the Greens is that they can't advocate building more. So they need a squirrel to point to on housing.
    The problem is too many people for the available housing stock. If we hadn't imported a few million extra people over the past few years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,786
    Taz said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    And ?

    We all know the funding model for local govt is broken.

    Honestly the obsession with Reform borders on the deranged here...
    Says the scourge of the LibDems.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,392
    Ireland Presidential Election

    Jim Gavin (Fianna Fail) has withdrawn from the race, leaving Heather Humphreys (Fine Gael) and Catherine Connolly (Independent Left) as the only two candidates.

    Latest poll had Connolly leading Humphreys by 53-47, well within the historical error of Irish Presidential polls (often out by 10pp).

    In a debate yesterday lunchtime Gavin could not say whether he owed a former tenant thousands of Euros in overpaid rent. So I guess he wasn't going to win anyway.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,084
    edited 8:12AM

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,052

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    Nobody forces people to rent properties from them.
    Yeah man. Everyone should simply live in tents in the street instead. What an absolutely stupid and utterly out of touch comment.

    If there was a housing surplus your point would have some merit but we don’t so it doesn’t.
    So you think stealing other people's property is the answer rather than building more social housing comrade.
    I didn’t say anything about stealing other people’s property.
    that is what the Greens are proposing and what you seem to think is great. Build council/HOA houses and landlords will disappear. It is not rocket science but wanting to introduce nationalisation/ theft of property by government is pretty stupid even for a commie.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383

    Pulpstar said:

    I think the only thing that might nix Kent and other councils financial issues is to abolish the statutory duty for social care. It might sound brutal but I think that's where we will be in time

    I don’t think local councils should be responsible for social care to begin with. What a stupid idea.
    Any time government can spend other peoples budgets (regulation on private firms, regulation on councils etc) - the result is inevitable.

    Freed from any actual responsibility, the politicians start doing stupid stuff.

    A classic is child care. New Labour bought in regulations that made UK child care the most expensive in the developed world. The cost of a nurse place is pretty much that of private school.

    So

    1) The people who can afford private school send their children to high quality nurseries. This includes most MPs, of course.
    2) The people who can afford a big house and have au pair park the kids with the random stranger they fond God Knows where.... and who will live with them for 6 months and move on.
    3) The people who can't afford big houses and private schools make impromptu arrangements which are very often illegal and unregulated.

    There is no "Oh err. Nursery = Private Skool = EVUL", interestingly. Despite the long known evidence that the early years of a child's development are critical. A child attending a good nursery will have a massive advantage over the kids who rock up in primary school unable to go to the toilet by themselves.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383
    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
    You may not have noticed a small population increase. But reading the papers, some other people have.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,355

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
    You’re falling into the trap of believing that you’re doing some sort of civic good rather than simply investing in an unproductive asset.
    It produces shelter, every day.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,438

    Over the last couple of days, I've seen three or four different tweets promoted in the 'For you' section saying things like: "why does this cartoon caricature call himself Zack Polanski when his real name is actually David Paulden, yet Tommeh gets criticised for changing his name?"

    The reason? Polanski is returning to his family name, denied to him due to anti-Semitism. Tommeh changed his name because he's a criminal.

    Dave came up with Zack all by himself
    When discussing this yesterday, politicians who use their middle names (James Brown, Al Johnson and Gideon Osborne) were mentioned

    Greta should use hers: Tintin Thunberg
    Herge presents : Tintin and the 40 year stretch in an Israeli jail.
    The IDF shot Snowy and currently five of them are holding Captain Haddock down while a sixth approaches holding a truncheon in a menacing manner.

    ‘Blistering buggery by a baton!’
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    Nobody forces people to rent properties from them.
    Yeah man. Everyone should simply live in tents in the street instead. What an absolutely stupid and utterly out of touch comment.

    If there was a housing surplus your point would have some merit but we don’t so it doesn’t.
    So you think stealing other people's property is the answer rather than building more social housing comrade.
    I didn’t say anything about stealing other people’s property.
    that is what the Greens are proposing and what you seem to think is great. Build council/HOA houses and landlords will disappear. It is not rocket science but wanting to introduce nationalisation/ theft of property by government is pretty stupid even for a commie.
    I didn’t say that I think what the Greens are proposing is great. I just said that landlords have a raging case of the delulu.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    The problem is actually a shortage of places for people to live. Unlike certain posters here, the majority of adults do not want to live in an HMO (often an impromptu one, illegally divided up, without the required safety features).

    The problem for the Greens is that they can't advocate building more. So they need a squirrel to point to on housing.
    The problem is too many people for the available housing stock. If we hadn't imported a few million extra people over the past few years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
    But we have.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    carnforth said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
    You’re falling into the trap of believing that you’re doing some sort of civic good rather than simply investing in an unproductive asset.
    It produces shelter, every day.
    No it doesn’t. The shelter is already there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,392

    Ireland Presidential Election

    Jim Gavin (Fianna Fail) has withdrawn from the race, leaving Heather Humphreys (Fine Gael) and Catherine Connolly (Independent Left) as the only two candidates.

    Latest poll had Connolly leading Humphreys by 53-47, well within the historical error of Irish Presidential polls (often out by 10pp).

    In a debate yesterday lunchtime Gavin could not say whether he owed a former tenant thousands of Euros in overpaid rent. So I guess he wasn't going to win anyway.

    In the same debate Heather Humphreys said, "I absolutely acknowledge that everyone needs a place to live," when pressed on her party's failure in government on housing. So that was a concession from her, I guess.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    The problem is actually a shortage of places for people to live. Unlike certain posters here, the majority of adults do not want to live in an HMO (often an impromptu one, illegally divided up, without the required safety features).

    The problem for the Greens is that they can't advocate building more. So they need a squirrel to point to on housing.
    The problem is too many people for the available housing stock. If we hadn't imported a few million extra people over the past few years, we wouldn't be in this situation.
    The Greens can't advocate anything except pretty much open borders. Otherwise they lose the ultra-left in their coalition.

    So they are boxed in - increasing population and can't increase the places for them to live.

    Mind you, I met a Green once who had thought it through. Her vision of the future was mega-skyscrapers of small flats. Home working would be mandated for as many as possible to cut down on travel. Food would be provided by the government and delivered en masse. I did check and she had no idea what I was talking about, when I made suggestions about law and order in such an environment.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,766
    On topic the new economics foundation's latest podcast discusses the Greens and Your Party in some depth. It also touches on eg coalitions with Labour, electoral pacts.

    Whilst being (imv) hopelessly unrealistic about both the realities of winning political power and the economic situation this country is in, it's an interesting listen to understand Polanski's popularity and how the Greens might interact with both Labour and Your Party. (TL;DL a coalition with Labour will be beyond the pale before any election but will almost certainly become palatable if the numbers work after an.election)

    https://pca.st/episode/bbc19796-c4f9-447a-a693-998acce42a64
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,084

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
    You may not have noticed a small population increase. But reading the papers, some other people have.
    Why does that matter for changing proportions of housing tenure? You could build millions more houses but if they are all bought up by private landlords it doesn't help people get onto the housing ladder.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,398
    Morning all :)

    Another day, another policy from the Conservatives which will beg the inevitable question - if it's such a good idea now, why didn't you implement it in the time you were in Government? The commitment to reduce the size of the Civil Service (and we all know there were ways of reducing the headcount without sacking a single individual) has been there since 2016 but instead the Service has added an extra 130,000 roles.

    There's also an aim of cutting £23 billion from the welfare budget - now, it's true the welfare side is spiralling out of control - from £64 billion now to £100 billion by 2030 though that may be a function of an ageing population. £23 billion is a big amount - apparently to be funded from cutting off claimants with "lower level mental health issues" (apparently).

    Curious the party couldn't support the more modest £5 billion cuts proposed by the Government earlier this year.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,438
    I’m not sure about all of the unlikely to be enacted policies of the Greens but I commend them for the massive amount of lip quivering they’re inducing in righties.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042

    carnforth said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
    You’re falling into the trap of believing that you’re doing some sort of civic good rather than simply investing in an unproductive asset.
    It produces shelter, every day.
    No it doesn’t. The shelter is already there.
    Every investment asset has risk associated with it. If you invest in housing you have to accept that it is politically charged. Landlords are not entitled to guaranteed rents and not saying this is you but there is a massive entitlement amongst those who invested in property as a “sure thing”.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,398
    Not sure if it was remarked on here but last Saturday was the 89th anniversary of the Battle of Cable Street.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,392

    I’m not sure about all of the unlikely to be enacted policies of the Greens but I commend them for the massive amount of lip quivering they’re inducing in righties.

    Annoying all the right people?

    I may have heard that somewhere else before...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,037
    FPT
    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    Yup, she's a spy
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,593
    Some of this pollling data about Greens etc cries out for less quantitative and more qualitative data about opinion.

    Two examples:

    It would be fascinating to know for what reasons more Greens prefer a deal with the LDs than with Labour.

    And why such a large % of them would be happy with in a deal with a party that doesn't exist - far more than with actual real parties.

    As much as Reform, Greens deserve close up examination of their agendas.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
    You may not have noticed a small population increase. But reading the papers, some other people have.
    Why does that matter for changing proportions of housing tenure? You could build millions more houses but if they are all bought up by private landlords it doesn't help people get onto the housing ladder.
    Because if lots of places for rent are available, rents fall to below the cost of buying a property, with a full mortgage.

    That is, you can't make a profit from renting a place with large amounts of debt against it.

    This has been observed everywhere there is a functional property market (8%+ of properties empty due to lack of demand). This is because prices get set by those who have significant capital in the properties, allowing them to make a return at a lower price.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,961

    I’m not sure about all of the unlikely to be enacted policies of the Greens but I commend them for the massive amount of lip quivering they’re inducing in righties.

    Good morning, everyone.

    I rather dislike the '"they're annoying the right sort of people" line of 'thinking' that's becoming ever more popular in political discourse.

    An idiot can be right sometimes. The wise can be wrong. And annoying any group of people is not a reason to do anything. It's just throwing more excrement into the cesspit of negativity, of which we already have an overflowing abundance.

    I know you're saying this in a lighthearted way, so please don't take it as an attack on yourself. Some people, alas, see it as an end in itself. Such is polarised political division for fundamentalists.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,668
    I would never let out residential property, because of the difficulty and expense of evicting a defaulting tenant.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    edited 8:25AM

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
    You may not have noticed a small population increase. But reading the papers, some other people have.
    Why does that matter for changing proportions of housing tenure? You could build millions more houses but if they are all bought up by private landlords it doesn't help people get onto the housing ladder.
    Because if lots of places for rent are available, rents fall to below the cost of buying a property, with a full mortgage.

    That is, you can't make a profit from renting a place with large amounts of debt against it.

    This has been observed everywhere there is a functional property market (8%+ of properties empty due to lack of demand). This is because prices get set by those who have significant capital in the properties, allowing them to make a return at a lower price.
    I agree. But the same people who own all the property also oppose development, which I guess is rational because why would they want to reduce the yield of their assets? It doesn’t matter if it negatively affects the economy because fuck those entitled lazy youngsters.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,036
    malcolmg said:

    Morning all,

    Snake oil meets first contact with reality down in Kent:


    "Diane Morton, Reform’s cabinet member for adult social care on Kent county council, told the Financial Times that services in Kent were already “down to the bare bones”.

    “We’ve got more demand than ever before and it’s growing,” she said, stressing she did not believe access to those services should be limited. “We just want more money.” "

    Guardian Live blog

    The problem is too many old people. There are no easy solutions. I don't know why politicians can't focus on this problem rather than constantly casting around for some bogeyman - the EU, immigrants etc - to blame for our ills. It's getting so boring.
    Too many young spongers and not enough older people to pay for everything the lazy gits want for nothing , bunch of scroungers with their poor me I have anxiety about actually doing a day's work the state must keep me and give me a free house and and and
    With respect, Malcolm, you are completely wrong.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,670

    carnforth said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
    You’re falling into the trap of believing that you’re doing some sort of civic good rather than simply investing in an unproductive asset.
    It produces shelter, every day.
    No it doesn’t. The shelter is already there.
    Every investment asset has risk associated with it. If you invest in housing you have to accept that it is politically charged. Landlords are not entitled to guaranteed rents and not saying this is you but there is a massive entitlement amongst those who invested in property as a “sure thing”.
    There's going to be even more wailing when the RRA comes in. Councils will have a duty to investigate rogue landlords with very heavy civil penalties. That's on top of the civil cases against landlords for not following the proscribed formats.

    Perhaps this government will make private landlords a 'fair but generous' offer to sell to the local council - at a 40% discount.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,042
    edited 8:33AM

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
    You may not have noticed a small population increase. But reading the papers, some other people have.
    Why does that matter for changing proportions of housing tenure? You could build millions more houses but if they are all bought up by private landlords it doesn't help people get onto the housing ladder.
    Because if lots of places for rent are available, rents fall to below the cost of buying a property, with a full mortgage.

    That is, you can't make a profit from renting a place with large amounts of debt against it.

    This has been observed everywhere there is a functional property market (8%+ of properties empty due to lack of demand). This is because prices get set by those who have significant capital in the properties, allowing them to make a return at a lower price.
    I agree. But the same people who own all the property also oppose development, which I guess is rational because why would they want to reduce the yield of their assets? It doesn’t matter if it negatively affects the economy because fuck those entitled lazy youngsters.
    I feel that this is an inherent weakness of capitalism. Its benefits are, by human nature, stifled by rent seeking, regulatory capture and monopolisation. Ironic really.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 120
    The Lib Dem / Green coalition, favoured by most, on current polling would give them 2nd place in percentages. If they did that, I would expect more to come over from Labour, as they've always benefited from leakage to them from those parties due to electability. That said, I also don't expect any coalition to happen.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,036

    carnforth said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
    You’re falling into the trap of believing that you’re doing some sort of civic good rather than simply investing in an unproductive asset.
    It produces shelter, every day.
    No it doesn’t. The shelter is already there.
    Every investment asset has risk associated with it. If you invest in housing you have to accept that it is politically charged. Landlords are not entitled to guaranteed rents and not saying this is you but there is a massive entitlement amongst those who invested in property as a “sure thing”.
    There is a lot of entitlement around landlords, and I say this as a landlord. Mind you, there can also be a degree of entitlement among tenants! People are sometimes annoying.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383
    edited 8:33AM

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
    You may not have noticed a small population increase. But reading the papers, some other people have.
    Why does that matter for changing proportions of housing tenure? You could build millions more houses but if they are all bought up by private landlords it doesn't help people get onto the housing ladder.
    Because if lots of places for rent are available, rents fall to below the cost of buying a property, with a full mortgage.

    That is, you can't make a profit from renting a place with large amounts of debt against it.

    This has been observed everywhere there is a functional property market (8%+ of properties empty due to lack of demand). This is because prices get set by those who have significant capital in the properties, allowing them to make a return at a lower price.
    I agree. But the same people who own all the property also oppose development, which I guess is rational because why would they want to reduce the yield of their assets? It doesn’t matter if it negatively affects the economy because fuck those entitled lazy youngsters.
    There is opposition to absolutely everything. If we listen to all that opposition, all of the time, we have a world where doing anything takes 20 years of wheedling and billions in enquiries and law cases.

    That would be shit, wouldn't it?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,239

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    The problem is actually a shortage of places for people to live. Unlike certain posters here, the majority of adults do not want to live in an HMO (often an impromptu one, illegally divided up, without the required safety features).

    The problem for the Greens is that they can't advocate building more. So they need a squirrel to point to on housing.
    Every solution involves a combination of building millions more houses or reducing the number of households substantially.

    We all know that rent controls don’t work for a whole number of reasons, although one gets the impression that New York might be about to give the World a refresher course in 2026.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,577
    The Greens are now under Polanski a socialist, probably Trans, anti Brexit, pro immigration, anti Israel and anti Trump party far more than an action on climate change party. Indeed in wishing to ban landlords they are even left of Corbyn who they want to deal with via his Your Party.

    I disagree with the final point from TSE though. Polanski has made clear he sees Farage as his enemy and 99% of Green voters rule out a Coalition with Reform and disapprove of Farage. Over half of Green voters back a coalition with Labour though so on a forced choice in a Labour seat many would cast tactical votes for Labour to beat Reform
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,036

    carnforth said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    Two of my properties are for student accommodation, not sure how the Greens proposals will help.
    You’re falling into the trap of believing that you’re doing some sort of civic good rather than simply investing in an unproductive asset.
    It produces shelter, every day.
    No it doesn’t. The shelter is already there.
    It produces a daily flow of shelter services. It's not an unproductive asset.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,383

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    I love reading landlord forums and seeing how they think they’re doing everyone a favour. Delulu levels off the charts.

    You'll miss us when rent controls destroy the market.
    We need to destroy this market - it is broken. Part of the reason why our economy is broken is because people pay crazy amounts of their wages in mortgages pr worse still rent. That is money not circulating through the economy which costs more jobs and removes growth.
    There's too many people and not enough housing.

    What have landlords to do with it?
    You could change the proportions of housing tenure without building any additional housing. There is a need for a rental market for students and highly mobile workers, but the vast majority of the 9.3 million households renting do not want to be.

    Over the last 10 years we've built about 2 million houses, but the number of households renting has increased by 1.3 million. Just building houses isn't enough - you need to do something about tenure too.
    You may not have noticed a small population increase. But reading the papers, some other people have.
    Why does that matter for changing proportions of housing tenure? You could build millions more houses but if they are all bought up by private landlords it doesn't help people get onto the housing ladder.
    Because if lots of places for rent are available, rents fall to below the cost of buying a property, with a full mortgage.

    That is, you can't make a profit from renting a place with large amounts of debt against it.

    This has been observed everywhere there is a functional property market (8%+ of properties empty due to lack of demand). This is because prices get set by those who have significant capital in the properties, allowing them to make a return at a lower price.
    I agree. But the same people who own all the property also oppose development, which I guess is rational because why would they want to reduce the yield of their assets? It doesn’t matter if it negatively affects the economy because fuck those entitled lazy youngsters.
    I feel that this is an inherent weakness of capitalism. Its benefits are, by human nature, stifled by rent seeking and monopolisation. Ironic really.
    Nope - read Adam Smith. This is why you regulation to prevent monopolistic capture of markets etc.

    We have constructed a system where you can't build properties at the rate of demand/population growth. In law. Which is enforced.

    I go back to my farmer friend, who couldn't get the police out to deal with serious theft, damage to buildings etc. He started putting the roof back on an abandoned outbuilding - to create a secure store (massive stone walls).

    The fuzz and the planners were round, before he'd got the building materials off the pallets.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,117

    I’m not sure about all of the unlikely to be enacted policies of the Greens but I commend them for the massive amount of lip quivering they’re inducing in righties.

    Good morning, everyone.

    I rather dislike the '"they're annoying the right sort of people" line of 'thinking' that's becoming ever more popular in political discourse.

    An idiot can be right sometimes. The wise can be wrong. And annoying any group of people is not a reason to do anything. It's just throwing more excrement into the cesspit of negativity, of which we already have an overflowing abundance.

    I know you're saying this in a lighthearted way, so please don't take it as an attack on yourself. Some people, alas, see it as an end in itself. Such is polarised political division for fundamentalists.
    I've taken the 12s on Max Verstappen to win the F1 title this year.

    McLaren are going to fuck this up.
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