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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,354
    By the way, now that Jaguar is kaput, which vehicle will Waymo choose? A quick Google does not reveal...
  • isamisam Posts: 42,763
    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    I suspect Badenoch has done enough in the past 24 hours to keep the Conservative leadership for now. The ECHR position isn't for me and the ludicrous diktat every PPC for the Party must publicly commit to it reminds me of how various candidates undermined John Major in 1997.

    I'm also of the view if it had been a policy worth doing, why wasn't it doen under Johnson, Truss or Sunak? Why has it taken the worst defeat in their history for the Conservatives to "see the light" on the ECHR or is it something else?

    It's to be hoped she moves off trying to make the Conservative Party the moderate wing of Reform. As others have opined, it'll be interesting to see what Stride says about economic policy.

    Think jury is still out on Kemi. She's certainly not an IDS-type dud - indeed, may even, just discernible?, have a dusting of something special. Or maybe not. But it's not impossible. What may prove impossible is turning things round in time, and riding out next May. We shall see. But it's not over til it's over, and having watched the speech I think she still has a fighting chance.
    It was a good speech.

    I think Kemi is exactly what she she always has been as a minister, a leadership candidate, and a leader. Pretty impressive as a speaker, got a bit about her, makes the odd gaffe, is sometimes combative and talks a very combative game, but actually does a fair bit more path of least resistance stuff than she would publicly acknowledge. Bright and articulate but not a genius.

    The question is whether that's enough in the circumstances. It might be enough with a bit of luck. Not to turn back the Nige tide, but to keep the Tories successful enough to form a decent chunk of his Government, and eventually effect a backward takeover of Reform. Kemi isn't silly. She knows the story of Canada as well as Farage does.
    I think she’s just in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
    Hopefully her and Farage will come to some kind of arrangement and they become the Cameron-Clegg of the 2030s

    The Mail on Sunday Comment today shares that hope. I swear it is written by Peter Hitchens

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15162993/MAIL-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Kemis-vital-step-bringing-end-Blairite-revolution.html
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,077

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,773

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    Think of it more as a violent form of chess.
    An awful lot goes down in those few seconds.
    Nah. It’s just a crap sport
    You've made it fairly clear that you don't understand it well enough to form anything more than a superficial judgment.
    But that is not uncharacteristic.
    I used to be into it when I was about 19. Because that’s who it’s aimed at. Late teenagers

    It is the marvel comic universe of sports. It’s shit
    Weirdly there is the germ of a really good game there. I’d scrap the helmets and ensure safer tackling. I’d probably ditch the forward pass too. Then maybe a few more players on the pitch and no special teams for offence and defence - one team does both.

    But then I realise it’s rugby.

    More seriously I like a watch on a Sunday night, and even have a team, the Packers. But it’s just so slow. Needlessly slow.
    Offensive and defensive specialist teams developed mid 20thC both resulting from, and allowing for the increasing sophistication of the game.

    The contrast between offensive and defensive lines is far superior to the rugby scrum and what's going on far more visible to the spectator.

    The aerial game is of much greater skill than the boot it upfield that often disfigures rugby.

    And it's not slow; the actual action is lightning fast. It just that there are long pauses between each play.

    But it is really a game of the television age.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,358

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    There is been a fair amount of evidence that the likes of ISIS recruiters were looking for exactly these kind of people and then fill them with stories that they can never undone their un-Islamic behaviour in this life without making the ultimate sacrifice.
    I recall being told that restricting the more insane preachers going into the jails was not-nice and an infringement of "human rights".

    Jail is supposed to be a restriction on human rights.

    If The Church of The Creator was preaching to BNP prison gangs, I have a feeling that someone would stop that.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,077
    sarissa said:

    Cyclists injured record number of pedestrians last year, data reveals
    Collisions on pavements and at zebra crossings surged nearly 60 percent in five years
    ...
    Last year was the worst on record for casualties involving cyclists on pavements and at zebra crossings.

    Police recorded 603 incidents where a pedestrian was injured in collision with a cyclist in 2024.

    That’s up 19 percent from the 507 similar injuries in 2023.

    Up to 321 of those collisions took place either on a pavement or a pedestrian crossing, a 9 percent surge from the 292 seen in 2023.

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/cyclists-injured-pedestrians-record-5HjdDww_2/

    Context, please - These stats are meaningless without comparable cycling miles or trips taken. The City of London for example saw a 50% increase in cycling from 2022-24.

    I’m willing to bet a lot of the increase is due to the explosion of delivery riders on illegally modified e-bikes.
    Full tables are here: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-annual-report-2024/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-annual-report-2024#casualties-and-rates-by-road-user-type

    I dom't think they have the breakdown you are looking for - but Chart 9 rather puts things in perspective.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,549
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    Think of it more as a violent form of chess.
    An awful lot goes down in those few seconds.
    Nah. It’s just a crap sport
    You've made it fairly clear that you don't understand it well enough to form anything more than a superficial judgment.
    But that is not uncharacteristic.
    I used to be into it when I was about 19. Because that’s who it’s aimed at. Late teenagers

    It is the marvel comic universe of sports. It’s shit
    Weirdly there is the germ of a really good game there. I’d scrap the helmets and ensure safer tackling. I’d probably ditch the forward pass too. Then maybe a few more players on the pitch and no special teams for offence and defence - one team does both.

    But then I realise it’s rugby.

    More seriously I like a watch on a Sunday night, and even have a team, the Packers. But it’s just so slow. Needlessly slow.
    Offensive and defensive specialist teams developed mid 20thC both resulting from, and allowing for the increasing sophistication of the game.

    The contrast between offensive and defensive lines is far superior to the rugby scrum and what's going on far more visible to the spectator.

    The aerial game is of much greater skill than the boot it upfield that often disfigures rugby.

    And it's not slow; the actual action is lightning fast. It just that there are long pauses between each play.

    But it is really a game of the television age.
    It IS slow, in that a play happens and then for seemingly no good reason nothing happens for five minutes. It could be played in 1h 30 mins, no question. But as you say, it’s a TV game now.

    Do you have any idea how long games took back in the fifties, say?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,358
    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    What's this about? I don't have a clue.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,050
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    Think of it more as a violent form of chess.
    An awful lot goes down in those few seconds.
    Nah. It’s just a crap sport
    You've made it fairly clear that you don't understand it well enough to form anything more than a superficial judgment.
    But that is not uncharacteristic.
    I used to be into it when I was about 19. Because that’s who it’s aimed at. Late teenagers

    It is the marvel comic universe of sports. It’s shit
    Weirdly there is the germ of a really good game there. I’d scrap the helmets and ensure safer tackling. I’d probably ditch the forward pass too. Then maybe a few more players on the pitch and no special teams for offence and defence - one team does both.

    But then I realise it’s rugby.

    More seriously I like a watch on a Sunday night, and even have a team, the Packers. But it’s just so slow. Needlessly slow.
    Offensive and defensive specialist teams developed mid 20thC both resulting from, and allowing for the increasing sophistication of the game.

    The contrast between offensive and defensive lines is far superior to the rugby scrum and what's going on far more visible to the spectator.

    The aerial game is of much greater skill than the boot it upfield that often disfigures rugby.

    And it's not slow; the actual action is lightning fast. It just that there are long pauses between each play.

    But it is really a game of the television age.
    So many of the breaks are for commercial breaks. Which is why Redzone is brilliant - no ad breaks, they go to the action in one of the other 7 games underway.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,354
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    What's this about? I don't have a clue.
    Fake Rugby.
  • Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    14h
    My message is clear: if you’re here illegally, you will be detained and deported.

    Our new Removals Force, modelled on US ICE, will deport 150,000 illegal migrants each year.



    She wants us to model this?

    https://x.com/PabloReports/status/1974882303211192750

    Bad Enoch is really not trying to win my vote back at all.

    ICE are repugnant. Nobody should be modelling anything on them.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,077

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    In terms of mass casualties, I think the scary one is someone hiring a car and ramming through something like the Edinburgh Marathon. It does cross my mind when I do these kinds of events - we've had a few Sovereign Citizen-types drive through them already, and we're still waiting to find our what really happened in Liverpool.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    edited October 5

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    We will never know all the plots that have been foiled but there have definitely been some lucky escapes. I seemed to remember a gang in Crawley had got all the ingredients for a massive bomb and appeared to know what they were doing. They got caught I believe because one of the ingredients they were using are common product in hairdressers but despite buying from various places it somehow triggered some alert that somebody was buying too much of it.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,533
    This song may help you understand baseball, a little: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq3hEMUeBGQ
  • TresTres Posts: 3,117

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    Think of it more as a violent form of chess.
    An awful lot goes down in those few seconds.
    Nah. It’s just a crap sport
    You've made it fairly clear that you don't understand it well enough to form anything more than a superficial judgment.
    But that is not uncharacteristic.
    I used to be into it when I was about 19. Because that’s who it’s aimed at. Late teenagers

    It is the marvel comic universe of sports. It’s shit
    Weirdly there is the germ of a really good game there. I’d scrap the helmets and ensure safer tackling. I’d probably ditch the forward pass too. Then maybe a few more players on the pitch and no special teams for offence and defence - one team does both.

    But then I realise it’s rugby.

    More seriously I like a watch on a Sunday night, and even have a team, the Packers. But it’s just so slow. Needlessly slow.
    Offensive and defensive specialist teams developed mid 20thC both resulting from, and allowing for the increasing sophistication of the game.

    The contrast between offensive and defensive lines is far superior to the rugby scrum and what's going on far more visible to the spectator.

    The aerial game is of much greater skill than the boot it upfield that often disfigures rugby.

    And it's not slow; the actual action is lightning fast. It just that there are long pauses between each play.

    But it is really a game of the television age.
    So many of the breaks are for commercial breaks. Which is why Redzone is brilliant - no ad breaks, they go to the action in one of the other 7 games underway.
    it's only no ads over here. my American friends were very miffed when I told them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    edited October 5
    Tres said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    Think of it more as a violent form of chess.
    An awful lot goes down in those few seconds.
    Nah. It’s just a crap sport
    You've made it fairly clear that you don't understand it well enough to form anything more than a superficial judgment.
    But that is not uncharacteristic.
    I used to be into it when I was about 19. Because that’s who it’s aimed at. Late teenagers

    It is the marvel comic universe of sports. It’s shit
    Weirdly there is the germ of a really good game there. I’d scrap the helmets and ensure safer tackling. I’d probably ditch the forward pass too. Then maybe a few more players on the pitch and no special teams for offence and defence - one team does both.

    But then I realise it’s rugby.

    More seriously I like a watch on a Sunday night, and even have a team, the Packers. But it’s just so slow. Needlessly slow.
    Offensive and defensive specialist teams developed mid 20thC both resulting from, and allowing for the increasing sophistication of the game.

    The contrast between offensive and defensive lines is far superior to the rugby scrum and what's going on far more visible to the spectator.

    The aerial game is of much greater skill than the boot it upfield that often disfigures rugby.

    And it's not slow; the actual action is lightning fast. It just that there are long pauses between each play.

    But it is really a game of the television age.
    So many of the breaks are for commercial breaks. Which is why Redzone is brilliant - no ad breaks, they go to the action in one of the other 7 games underway.
    it's only no ads over here. my American friends were very miffed when I told them.
    Yes and no. The ads in the US version only came in this season and its not a "proper ad", its ad boxes that appear, you still get to see all the action uninterrupted. Americans are very unhappy about this as they already pay specifically for Redzone.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,773
    edited October 5

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    Think of it more as a violent form of chess.
    An awful lot goes down in those few seconds.
    Nah. It’s just a crap sport
    You've made it fairly clear that you don't understand it well enough to form anything more than a superficial judgment.
    But that is not uncharacteristic.
    I used to be into it when I was about 19. Because that’s who it’s aimed at. Late teenagers

    It is the marvel comic universe of sports. It’s shit
    Weirdly there is the germ of a really good game there. I’d scrap the helmets and ensure safer tackling. I’d probably ditch the forward pass too. Then maybe a few more players on the pitch and no special teams for offence and defence - one team does both.

    But then I realise it’s rugby.

    More seriously I like a watch on a Sunday night, and even have a team, the Packers. But it’s just so slow. Needlessly slow.
    Offensive and defensive specialist teams developed mid 20thC both resulting from, and allowing for the increasing sophistication of the game.

    The contrast between offensive and defensive lines is far superior to the rugby scrum and what's going on far more visible to the spectator.

    The aerial game is of much greater skill than the boot it upfield that often disfigures rugby.

    And it's not slow; the actual action is lightning fast. It just that there are long pauses between each play.

    But it is really a game of the television age.
    It IS slow, in that a play happens and then for seemingly no good reason nothing happens for five minutes. It could be played in 1h 30 mins, no question. But as you say, it’s a TV game now.

    Do you have any idea how long games took back in the fifties, say?
    Pretty well as long as they do now, I think.
    And that goes back before WWII and the TV age.

    Until the early 20thC, it was a lot more violent, with several deaths on field, every year (part of the reason for its then popularity). The introduction of the forward pass was one of the rule changes, demanded by Teddy Roosevelt, who threatened to ban it, intended to make it safer.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,443
    "NIRS fire destroys government's cloud storage system, no backups available"

    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-10-01/national/socialAffairs/NIRS-fire-destroys-governments-cloud-storage-system-no-backups-available/2412936

    "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for external backups. This vulnerability ultimately left it unprotected."

    I'm vaguely remembering a word from "The Meaning of Liff" along the lines of "the vague feeling that somewhere, somehow, something has gone wrong."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    "Why You Should Be Worried About Digital ID - Silkie Carlo"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhymUHtl4p8
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,533
    edited October 5
    As most of you will know, that video is in the post-Jackie Robinson era:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Robinson

    (I like the way the video maks that point, fairly subtly. By the way, baseball players from the Dominican Republic are now among the most successful immigrants to the US, currently -- and Samoans are way over-represented in football.)
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,443

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    14h
    My message is clear: if you’re here illegally, you will be detained and deported.

    Our new Removals Force, modelled on US ICE, will deport 150,000 illegal migrants each year.



    She wants us to model this?

    https://x.com/PabloReports/status/1974882303211192750

    Bad Enoch is really not trying to win my vote back at all.

    ICE are repugnant. Nobody should be modelling anything on them.
    I can't unsee 'Bad Enoch' now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,773
    ohnotnow said:

    "NIRS fire destroys government's cloud storage system, no backups available"

    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-10-01/national/socialAffairs/NIRS-fire-destroys-governments-cloud-storage-system-no-backups-available/2412936

    "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for external backups. This vulnerability ultimately left it unprotected."

    I'm vaguely remembering a word from "The Meaning of Liff" along the lines of "the vague feeling that somewhere, somehow, something has gone wrong."

    Not the first time, either.

    The fire was caused by .. power backup batteries.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,818

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    14h
    My message is clear: if you’re here illegally, you will be detained and deported.

    Our new Removals Force, modelled on US ICE, will deport 150,000 illegal migrants each year.



    She wants us to model this?

    https://x.com/PabloReports/status/1974882303211192750

    Bad Enoch is really not trying to win my vote back at all.

    ICE are repugnant. Nobody should be modelling anything on them.
    Hell has frozen over. I have had to give you a like. Armed masked goons beating the shit out of people going about their ( in many cases) lawful business before being thrown into a truck and dragged off to El Salvador. Is this genuinely proposed Conservative Party policy or just performative?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,443

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    There is been a fair amount of evidence that the likes of ISIS recruiters were looking for exactly these kind of people and then fill them with stories that they can never undone their un-Islamic behaviour in this life without making the ultimate sacrifice.

    I can't remember the exact story (I am sure somebody like TSE can correct me), but something like come judgement those who have behaved poorly will face seven gates of Hell and they tell these low life criminals they will face the worst of the punishments and they are particularly nasty tales.
    Also filling them full of eccies. Nothing like that sense of heavenly euphoria before you press the button.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    The Conservatives will set out proposals later on cutting public spending on welfare, aid and civil servants which the shadow chancellor will say would save £47bn over five years.

    His proposals include saving:

    £23bn from the welfare bill

    £8bn by bringing civil servant numbers from 517,000 down to 2016 levels of 384,000

    £7bn from the overseas aid budget

    £3.5bn by ending the use of hotels to home asylum seekers

    £4bn by ensuring benefits and social housing are reserved for UK nationals

    £1.6bn by scrapping environmental policies, including cutting subsidies for heat pumps and electric vehicles.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzv9j78dyo
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    ohnotnow said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    There is been a fair amount of evidence that the likes of ISIS recruiters were looking for exactly these kind of people and then fill them with stories that they can never undone their un-Islamic behaviour in this life without making the ultimate sacrifice.

    I can't remember the exact story (I am sure somebody like TSE can correct me), but something like come judgement those who have behaved poorly will face seven gates of Hell and they tell these low life criminals they will face the worst of the punishments and they are particularly nasty tales.
    Also filling them full of eccies. Nothing like that sense of heavenly euphoria before you press the button.
    That comes later. You have to get them on board first.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,821
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    What's this about? I don't have a clue.
    Fake Rugby.
    Bad Fake Rugby
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    edited October 5
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    What's this about? I don't have a clue.
    Fake Rugby.
    Bad Fake Rugby
    The hits are much bigger in NFL. Although they have dialed it back a bit where it used to be allowed to go helmet to helmet. Also the acceleration and top end pace is greater than any rugby players. Rees-Zammit is thought of one of the fastest players in rugby, he had a go at NFL, but they basically said ain't anything special in terms of pace.

    Also the kickers are better than rugby. No rugby kicker can make 65 yard penalty kicks or send it 80 yards kicking out the hand.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,773
    .
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    What's this about? I don't have a clue.
    Fake Rugby.
    Bad Fake Rugby
    Just a different extrapolation of the form.
    Stupid parochialism to call it fake.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,050

    The Conservatives will set out proposals later on cutting public spending on welfare, aid and civil servants which the shadow chancellor will say would save £47bn over five years.

    His proposals include saving:

    £23bn from the welfare bill

    £8bn by bringing civil servant numbers from 517,000 down to 2016 levels of 384,000

    £7bn from the overseas aid budget

    £3.5bn by ending the use of hotels to home asylum seekers

    £4bn by ensuring benefits and social housing are reserved for UK nationals

    £1.6bn by scrapping environmental policies, including cutting subsidies for heat pumps and electric vehicles.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzv9j78dyo

    "£1.6bn by scrapping environmental policies..."

    Wot, not cutting the £25bn on carbon capture?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    ID cards petition on 2.8 million so far.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,773
    A "collateral arrest" is not a lawful term.
    Plain illegality.

    ICE admits that up to 50% of arrests in its Chicago raids are "collateral.” These aren't statistics. They are parents taken from their children, neighbors taken from our communities. When does a "collateral" U.S. citizen child's trauma matter? This isn't law enforcement; it's a campaign of terror.
    https://x.com/Weinsteinlaw/status/1974856047933133195

    Great idea to copy them, Kemi.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,541
    Nigelb said:

    A "collateral arrest" is not a lawful term.
    Plain illegality.

    ICE admits that up to 50% of arrests in its Chicago raids are "collateral.” These aren't statistics. They are parents taken from their children, neighbors taken from our communities. When does a "collateral" U.S. citizen child's trauma matter? This isn't law enforcement; it's a campaign of terror.
    https://x.com/Weinsteinlaw/status/1974856047933133195

    Great idea to copy them, Kemi.

    Either she is aware of many similar stories and thinks it's a fine idea, in which case she is an idiot, or she is not aware of the stories, in which case she is ignorant. But it defies belief that any sensible person could hear about what ICE are doing in the US and think "we should do that."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    "Mum, 35, 'interviewed under caution' for throwing envelope in public bin
    Natasha Sheldon Lane has been accused of "unlawful depositing of waste""

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-35-interviewed-under-caution-32605098
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,287

    The Conservatives will set out proposals later on cutting public spending on welfare, aid and civil servants which the shadow chancellor will say would save £47bn over five years.

    His proposals include saving:

    £23bn from the welfare bill

    £8bn by bringing civil servant numbers from 517,000 down to 2016 levels of 384,000

    £7bn from the overseas aid budget

    £3.5bn by ending the use of hotels to home asylum seekers

    £4bn by ensuring benefits and social housing are reserved for UK nationals

    £1.6bn by scrapping environmental policies, including cutting subsidies for heat pumps and electric vehicles.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzv9j78dyo

    "£1.6bn by scrapping environmental policies..."

    Wot, not cutting the £25bn on carbon capture?
    Possibly because carbon capture is promoted by polluting industries who want to carry on as now. It isn't really a green policy.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,777
    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    A "collateral arrest" is not a lawful term.
    Plain illegality.

    ICE admits that up to 50% of arrests in its Chicago raids are "collateral.” These aren't statistics. They are parents taken from their children, neighbors taken from our communities. When does a "collateral" U.S. citizen child's trauma matter? This isn't law enforcement; it's a campaign of terror.
    https://x.com/Weinsteinlaw/status/1974856047933133195

    Great idea to copy them, Kemi.

    Either she is aware of many similar stories and thinks it's a fine idea, in which case she is an idiot, or she is not aware of the stories, in which case she is ignorant. But it defies belief that any sensible person could hear about what ICE are doing in the US and think "we should do that."
    She's not an idiot. She knows performative cruelty is the fashion.
  • bobbobbobbob Posts: 117

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    14h
    My message is clear: if you’re here illegally, you will be detained and deported.

    Our new Removals Force, modelled on US ICE, will deport 150,000 illegal migrants each year.



    She wants us to model this?

    https://x.com/PabloReports/status/1974882303211192750

    Is it too late for Reform’s deputy leader to reveal their own Travel, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (TICE) agency ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,750

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    What's this about? I don't have a clue.
    Fake Rugby.
    Bad Fake Rugby
    The hits are much bigger in NFL. Although they have dialed it back a bit where it used to be allowed to go helmet to helmet. Also the acceleration and top end pace is greater than any rugby players. Rees-Zammit is thought of one of the fastest players in rugby, he had a go at NFL, but they basically said ain't anything special in terms of pace.

    Also the kickers are better than rugby. No rugby kicker can make 65 yard penalty kicks or send it 80 yards kicking out the hand.
    While that's true, an NFL team is fuill of specialists. They'll switch out almost all the people on the field between plays depending on whether they're playing offence, defence, kicking or running.

    Typically, they'll have an offensive 11, a defensive 11, and then a further 11 specialists, and then another 12-14 reserves. For each game.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    edited October 5
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    What's this about? I don't have a clue.
    Fake Rugby.
    Bad Fake Rugby
    The hits are much bigger in NFL. Although they have dialed it back a bit where it used to be allowed to go helmet to helmet. Also the acceleration and top end pace is greater than any rugby players. Rees-Zammit is thought of one of the fastest players in rugby, he had a go at NFL, but they basically said ain't anything special in terms of pace.

    Also the kickers are better than rugby. No rugby kicker can make 65 yard penalty kicks or send it 80 yards kicking out the hand.
    While that's true, an NFL team is fuill of specialists. They'll switch out almost all the people on the field between plays depending on whether they're playing offence, defence, kicking or running.

    Typically, they'll have an offensive 11, a defensive 11, and then a further 11 specialists, and then another 12-14 reserves. For each game.
    Absolutely and the specialists give tiny edges e.g. the "centre" who throws the ball back is different for the field goal attempts. He is a specialist in just being able to launch the ball further back and faster than the regular centre who delivers the ball to the QB.

    But it is also a league of "freaks" (plus plenty of use of PEDs). Rees-Zammit is fast, I have seen him real life and he has absolute wheels, but in relation to NFL speedsters he isn't all that and he isn't "that big". Some of the WR are 6ft 4/5 and still have better acceleration and top end speed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,358
    Andy_JS said:

    "Mum, 35, 'interviewed under caution' for throwing envelope in public bin
    Natasha Sheldon Lane has been accused of "unlawful depositing of waste""

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-35-interviewed-under-caution-32605098

    It’s quite beautiful really.

    You practise programming people to behave as if they are in the film Brazil.

    You winnow out the dangerous ones. The ones who might think. Until you have the perfect Process State functionaries.

    Then you have a system you can tell to do *anything*. Think fat, weak, stupid Spartans. With their Cortanas being a rule book on an iPad.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,811
    ohnotnow said:

    "NIRS fire destroys government's cloud storage system, no backups available"

    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-10-01/national/socialAffairs/NIRS-fire-destroys-governments-cloud-storage-system-no-backups-available/2412936

    "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for external backups. This vulnerability ultimately left it unprotected."

    I'm vaguely remembering a word from "The Meaning of Liff" along the lines of "the vague feeling that somewhere, somehow, something has gone wrong."

    They hadn't heard of rsync? ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    edited October 5
    The whole not making any announcements while other parties conferences has gone out the window. They could easily have announced this last week.

    The government has unveiled major housing market reform plans which will aim to cut costs, reduce delays and halve failed sales.

    Housing Secretary Steve Reed said the changes would "fix the broken system" and put more money "back into working people's pockets". Hundreds of thousands of families and first-time buyers could benefit from the reforms, in what the government claims would be the biggest house buying shakeup in decades.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0v7zwp0dlo
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,818
    carnforth said:

    By the way, now that Jaguar is kaput, which vehicle will Waymo choose? A quick Google does not reveal...

    Still retro fitting the last 20,000 i pace Jags from what I gather. They were going to use some ugly Chinese thing, but Biden and Trump tariffs might have put the kibosh on that. This is from last year.

    https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/12/24218528/waymo-zeekr-geely-robotaxi-china-biden-tariff-ev-import
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    Fianna Fáil candidate Jim Gavin has announced he is withdrawing from the Irish presidential election with "immediate effect".

    The former Dublin gaelic football manager was set to be one of three candidates standing for election on 24 October, alongside Independent TD Catherine Connolly and Fine Gael's Heather Humphreys.

    However, on Sunday evening he said in a statement he had "made a mistake that was not in keeping with my character and the standards I set myself".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6946ez6dqo
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,552
    edited 12:17AM
    stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Told you Kemi was the best option at the moment.

    "Dumping Badenoch would not reduce Farage’s lead over Tories, poll finds
    Kemi outscores Jenrick, Cleverly and Johnson in head-to-heads, but Reform leader still beats all four" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/05/badenoch-best-tory-to-challenge-farage-poll-finds

    I think "best" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Probably "least worst" is more accurate.

    That's why she'll be safe until the local elections next year - none of her potential opponents would be doing any better against Reform. IF, however, the elections are very bad, the pressure to remove her will likely be irresistible.
    Boris led Tories would lead Reform by 3% and a Sunak led Tories would tie Reform a May
    MoreinCommon poll found. Both would also lead Labour. Tonight's poll largely irrelevant as it did not include hypothetical voting intentions
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    Interesting language from the Tory leader.

    "The Conservatives say they would task officials with removing 750,000 illegal immigrants within five years, under Trump-style deportation plans.

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that returnees should "go back to where they came from" or another country deemed safe to receive them, with a strengthened "Removals Force" backed by new powers and a bigger budget."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c708g5x2yqzo
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,552
    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzv9j78dyo

    Tories double down on Labour's shameful foreign aid cuts.

    Who do I vote for next time? Christ.

    LD or Green?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,358
    RobD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    "NIRS fire destroys government's cloud storage system, no backups available"

    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-10-01/national/socialAffairs/NIRS-fire-destroys-governments-cloud-storage-system-no-backups-available/2412936

    "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for external backups. This vulnerability ultimately left it unprotected."

    I'm vaguely remembering a word from "The Meaning of Liff" along the lines of "the vague feeling that somewhere, somehow, something has gone wrong."

    They hadn't heard of rsync? ;)
    It’s a new way to deliver government.

    Every now and then, it’s Year Zero.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    Interesting figures.

    "ICYMI: Chicago Had Safest Summer Since The ‘60s
    A WBEZ analysis found summer 2025 saw the fewest homicides in Chicago in 60 years, while overall violent crime remained near its lowest point in at least four decades."

    https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/mayor/press_room/press_releases/2025/september/safest-summer-since-1965.html#:~:text=A WBEZ analysis found summer,in at least four decades.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    ohnotnow said:

    "NIRS fire destroys government's cloud storage system, no backups available"

    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-10-01/national/socialAffairs/NIRS-fire-destroys-governments-cloud-storage-system-no-backups-available/2412936

    "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for external backups. This vulnerability ultimately left it unprotected."

    I'm vaguely remembering a word from "The Meaning of Liff" along the lines of "the vague feeling that somewhere, somehow, something has gone wrong."

    Kind of a warning against digital ID.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,904
    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222
    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    If everyone is cheering, then he definitely did run the full ten yards!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,430
    Have the usual suspects claimed this was done by a trans, woke, antifa terrorist yet?

    https://x.com/danielsgoldman/status/1975009846627058123?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,399
    Nigelb said:

    The MAGA replies to this are remarkable for their utter ignorance of both the law, and the facts of the case.

    https://x.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1974663550850511057
    Stephen Miller has now declared this Trump-appointed judge an insurrectionist.

    To emphasize, the judge painstakingly examined all the protest happening in Portland before Trump activated the Guard. She noted that there hadn't been any violence at a protest since mid-July...


    The Trump administration* has ignored the court order and is trying to go ahead with the illegal deployment of the military.

    *I don't ascribe all that much policy to Trump himself these days, as he seems to be a malign but semi-senile figurehead, manipulated by those that surround him.

    @DailyMail

    Top judge's $1.5M beachfront home is burned to the ground as her ex-senator husband is rushed to hospital

    https://x.com/DailyMail/status/1974925040849187271
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,663
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    If there is one politician in Europe who needs to shut the F up about Putin’s war in Ukraine, it’s Angela Merkel. No-one has done more to embolden Putin in the last decade.
    Another politician who cannot say: "I made mistakes, and I was a fool. Sorry."

    And in the process, causes even more harm.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,050

    Have the usual suspects claimed this was done by a trans, woke, antifa terrorist yet?

    https://x.com/danielsgoldman/status/1975009846627058123?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That civil war? It's started.

    I bet the FBI are all over it... yeah, right.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,050
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,050
    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    What do older Germans have against Poland?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,773
    .
    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    Merkel is far more responsible, as that piece of idiocy suggests, than any of those countries.
    But even so, unless she was an actual agent for Putin, isn't really any more responsible than are they.

    It is entirely Russia's responsibility.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,818

    Have the usual suspects claimed this was done by a trans, woke, antifa terrorist yet?

    https://x.com/danielsgoldman/status/1975009846627058123?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    That civil war? It's started.

    I bet the FBI are all over it... yeah, right.

    I doubt that. Kash Patel would have forgotten to bring the matches.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,663
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    Merkel is far more responsible, as that piece of idiocy suggests, than any of those countries.
    But even so, unless she was an actual agent for Putin, isn't really any more responsible than are they.

    It is entirely Russia's responsibility.
    Yes, Russia is responsible for its imperialist war.

    However, Merkel is responsible for making Germany so reliant on Russian gas, giving her country ten of fifteen years of cheap gas and Russia billions with which to rearm. And continuing to do so even after 2014.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,750

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    Merkel is far more responsible, as that piece of idiocy suggests, than any of those countries.
    But even so, unless she was an actual agent for Putin, isn't really any more responsible than are they.

    It is entirely Russia's responsibility.
    Yes, Russia is responsible for its imperialist war.

    However, Merkel is responsible for making Germany so reliant on Russian gas, giving her country ten of fifteen years of cheap gas and Russia billions with which to rearm. And continuing to do so even after 2014.
    Actually, this isn't really true.

    Nord Stream didn't result in Russia exporting more gas to Europe, it just changed how it got to Europe. Germany was importing less gas from Russia in 2022 than in 2012 or 2002 (albeit more than in 2020/2021 when Covid resulted in a sharp decline in energy demand).

    Where Russia did benefit is that no longer needed to pay so much to countries (like Ukraine) for transit fees.

    Also, Russian gas sold into Europe at market rates. Germany didn't get "cheap gas", it got gas at market rates. Remember, the German government did not buy gas: commercial entities in Germany (or indeed anywhere on the European gas pipeline network) bought Russian gas.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,284
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    If you’re life without parole you’d risk the escape I’d expect.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,750
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    If there is one politician in Europe who needs to shut the F up about Putin’s war in Ukraine, it’s Angela Merkel. No-one has done more to embolden Putin in the last decade.
    Errr: Schroder waves hello.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,750
    theProle said:

    FF43 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Bloody laptop now updated to Win 11 at last after two failed downloads. Taken much of the afternoon and evening. Now I can depart. Night all.

    Get a Macbook :wink:
    MacBooks are extortionate. You can't buy one for less than £1000 - it goes up rapidly from there - and at the price the models are nice, but not that nice. With discounts you can buy decent enough Windows and Chromebook equivalents for literally half the price.
    My experience is pay twice as much for a Macbook - and they last four times as long. No hassles upgrading the operating system either.

    Every Windows laptop I ever had turned to sludge after a few years.
    Unless you're running a LLM or rendering video, almost any spec of machine will do these days.

    My work desktop is close to celebrating it's 20th birthday. It was a fairly high end rig in its day (20gb ram, decent Xeion(iirc) series processor, Quattro graphics card, and we stuck an SSD in it about 10 years ago. I did have to replace the CMOS battery a couple of weeks ago! It won't run win 11 (no TPM2) so it's days are probably numbered now support for win 10 has ended, although I'm not in a mad panic over it (everything business critical is cloud based with decent rollback provision, the machine is effectively just a terminal).

    It's not even the oldest machine in the business - there is a 23 year old laptop running Vista sat airgaped on one of the cnc milling machines - you stick a program on a USB, shove it in the laptop, then download it to the machine control (Heidenhain Tnc 155P) via Rs232 serial.

    Sluggish windows laptops aren't usually hardware, generally nuke windows and reinstall and they go OK again. It's not the problem it used to be either (win 98 machines seemed to need throwing away and starting again every few months, I'm not I've every had to nuke a win 10 box).
    This is spot on.

    I am running a new "PC". Specifically, it's the cheapest Mac Mini on Amazon, bought on a sale for under $500 (400 quid). It powers two monitors and is quite the most powerful computer I've ever used.

    There is no reason to spend more than 400 quid on a new computer, and anything from the last decade (or even 15 t years) will be fine for anything that doesn't involve LLMs or 3D gaming.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,663
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    There have already been lots of helicopter prison escapes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopter_prison_escapes

    Not all successful. Since many high-risk prisons have cables strung across them, getting a drone in might be possible, but it might be a bit like threading a needle...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,663
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    Merkel is far more responsible, as that piece of idiocy suggests, than any of those countries.
    But even so, unless she was an actual agent for Putin, isn't really any more responsible than are they.

    It is entirely Russia's responsibility.
    Yes, Russia is responsible for its imperialist war.

    However, Merkel is responsible for making Germany so reliant on Russian gas, giving her country ten of fifteen years of cheap gas and Russia billions with which to rearm. And continuing to do so even after 2014.
    Actually, this isn't really true.

    Nord Stream didn't result in Russia exporting more gas to Europe, it just changed how it got to Europe. Germany was importing less gas from Russia in 2022 than in 2012 or 2002 (albeit more than in 2020/2021 when Covid resulted in a sharp decline in energy demand).

    Where Russia did benefit is that no longer needed to pay so much to countries (like Ukraine) for transit fees.

    Also, Russian gas sold into Europe at market rates. Germany didn't get "cheap gas", it got gas at market rates. Remember, the German government did not buy gas: commercial entities in Germany (or indeed anywhere on the European gas pipeline network) bought Russian gas.
    Fair enough, I sit corrected.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222
    edited 5:42AM
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Andy_JS said:

    "Angela Merkel says Poland and the Baltic states are responsible for Putin's war in Ukraine"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15164671/Ex-German-Chancellor-71-blames-Poland-Baltic-states-Putins-war-Ukraine.html

    Merkel is far more responsible, as that piece of idiocy suggests, than any of those countries.
    But even so, unless she was an actual agent for Putin, isn't really any more responsible than are they.

    It is entirely Russia's responsibility.
    Yes, Russia is responsible for its imperialist war.

    However, Merkel is responsible for making Germany so reliant on Russian gas, giving her country ten of fifteen years of cheap gas and Russia billions with which to rearm. And continuing to do so even after 2014.
    Actually, this isn't really true.

    Nord Stream didn't result in Russia exporting more gas to Europe, it just changed how it got to Europe. Germany was importing less gas from Russia in 2022 than in 2012 or 2002 (albeit more than in 2020/2021 when Covid resulted in a sharp decline in energy demand).

    Where Russia did benefit is that no longer needed to pay so much to countries (like Ukraine) for transit fees.

    Also, Russian gas sold into Europe at market rates. Germany didn't get "cheap gas", it got gas at market rates. Remember, the German government did not buy gas: commercial entities in Germany (or indeed anywhere on the European gas pipeline network) bought Russian gas.
    The decision to close down, and stop construction on, thousands of MW of nuclear power though, that was entirely on Merkel and her government.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,663
    rcs1000 said:

    theProle said:

    FF43 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Bloody laptop now updated to Win 11 at last after two failed downloads. Taken much of the afternoon and evening. Now I can depart. Night all.

    Get a Macbook :wink:
    MacBooks are extortionate. You can't buy one for less than £1000 - it goes up rapidly from there - and at the price the models are nice, but not that nice. With discounts you can buy decent enough Windows and Chromebook equivalents for literally half the price.
    My experience is pay twice as much for a Macbook - and they last four times as long. No hassles upgrading the operating system either.

    Every Windows laptop I ever had turned to sludge after a few years.
    Unless you're running a LLM or rendering video, almost any spec of machine will do these days.

    My work desktop is close to celebrating it's 20th birthday. It was a fairly high end rig in its day (20gb ram, decent Xeion(iirc) series processor, Quattro graphics card, and we stuck an SSD in it about 10 years ago. I did have to replace the CMOS battery a couple of weeks ago! It won't run win 11 (no TPM2) so it's days are probably numbered now support for win 10 has ended, although I'm not in a mad panic over it (everything business critical is cloud based with decent rollback provision, the machine is effectively just a terminal).

    It's not even the oldest machine in the business - there is a 23 year old laptop running Vista sat airgaped on one of the cnc milling machines - you stick a program on a USB, shove it in the laptop, then download it to the machine control (Heidenhain Tnc 155P) via Rs232 serial.

    Sluggish windows laptops aren't usually hardware, generally nuke windows and reinstall and they go OK again. It's not the problem it used to be either (win 98 machines seemed to need throwing away and starting again every few months, I'm not I've every had to nuke a win 10 box).
    This is spot on.

    I am running a new "PC". Specifically, it's the cheapest Mac Mini on Amazon, bought on a sale for under $500 (400 quid). It powers two monitors and is quite the most powerful computer I've ever used.

    There is no reason to spend more than 400 quid on a new computer, and anything from the last decade (or even 15 t years) will be fine for anything that doesn't involve LLMs or 3D gaming.
    When I started working at a company that designed chips, the chip designers had access to the most powerful servers, with the best processors, the most memory, and oodles of storage. We poor coders had calculators in comparison.

    Three decades on, and the chip designers *still* have access to the most powerful servers, as the chips, and the simulations required, have just got more complex.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    There have already been lots of helicopter prison escapes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopter_prison_escapes

    Not all successful. Since many high-risk prisons have cables strung across them, getting a drone in might be possible, but it might be a bit like threading a needle...
    The one linked is 2140mm ‘wide’ when running, and weighs 40kg unladen. A lot smaller and quieter than a helo, and much easier to find one for dodgy use.

    Prisoner governors will need to upgrade the nets covering the exercise yards!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,663
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    There have already been lots of helicopter prison escapes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopter_prison_escapes

    Not all successful. Since many high-risk prisons have cables strung across them, getting a drone in might be possible, but it might be a bit like threading a needle...
    The one linked is 2140mm ‘wide’ when running, and weighs 40kg unladen. A lot smaller and quieter than a helo, and much easier to find one for dodgy use.

    Prisoner governors will need to upgrade the nets covering the exercise yards!
    If the cables are 5m apart, I wouldn't like to have to fly a drone *upwards* through the gap.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,299
    Why can't the Americans just play rugby?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    edited 6:02AM
    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,509
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    And what about those of us who are pretty damn close to 100kg in weight? Would that just make it more exciting?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,101

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    The first couple of those explain a lot- including a fair bit of the lamppost decorating community and the howling on social media community.

    They may not find any sort of God, but they find redemption in their activities, however antisocial they are.

    In the better old days, the days that many of them profess to pine for, they would have been told to go and get a constructive hobby.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,663

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    The first couple of those explain a lot- including a fair bit of the lamppost decorating community and the howling on social media community.

    They may not find any sort of God, but they find redemption in their activities, however antisocial they are.

    In the better old days, the days that many of them profess to pine for, they would have been told to go and get a constructive hobby.
    "They may not find any sort of God, but they find redemption in their activities, however antisocial they are."

    The same with many of the habitual 'protestors', whether on the right or left.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,121

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    The first couple of those explain a lot- including a fair bit of the lamppost decorating community and the howling on social media community.

    They may not find any sort of God, but they find redemption in their activities, however antisocial they are.

    In the better old days, the days that many of them profess to pine for, they would have been told to go and get a constructive hobby.
    Or they'd be drowning their sorrows down at the pub, but that's too expensive for many today.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    And what about those of us who are pretty damn close to 100kg in weight? Would that just make it more exciting?
    I’m sure that a few months in the Big House contemplating your “journey”, might make a few kilos magically disappear!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,829

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    I had forgotten he was Shadow Chancellor until yesterday when sadly someone reminded me.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,284

    Why can't the Americans just play rugby?

    They do, they have qualified for most of the World Cups

    We also had the Argentina-South Africa rugby international this weekend.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,284

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    I had forgotten he was Shadow Chancellor until yesterday when sadly someone reminded me.
    Some people were touting him as leadership material.

    He’s classic middle manager material.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,509

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    None of our political class come close to addressing the scale of our problems. That in itself is demoralising. The budget next month really needs £20bn of tax increases and £30bn of cuts. As does the budget next year. And the one after. And the one after that. No money for fripperies or addressing alleged unfairnesses such as the 2 child cap. No money for optimistic investment. It is brutal and necessary but none of our politicians have the courage to even talk about it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,456

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Everybody just went bonkers coz some guy ran about ten yards

    Think of it more as a violent form of chess.
    An awful lot goes down in those few seconds.
    Nah. It’s just a crap sport
    You've made it fairly clear that you don't understand it well enough to form anything more than a superficial judgment.
    But that is not uncharacteristic.
    I used to be into it when I was about 19. Because that’s who it’s aimed at. Late teenagers

    It is the marvel comic universe of sports. It’s shit
    Weirdly there is the germ of a really good game there. I’d scrap the helmets and ensure safer tackling. I’d probably ditch the forward pass too. Then maybe a few more players on the pitch and no special teams for offence and defence - one team does both.

    But then I realise it’s rugby.

    More seriously I like a watch on a Sunday night, and even have a team, the Packers. But it’s just so slow. Needlessly slow.
    Offensive and defensive specialist teams developed mid 20thC both resulting from, and allowing for the increasing sophistication of the game.

    The contrast between offensive and defensive lines is far superior to the rugby scrum and what's going on far more visible to the spectator.

    The aerial game is of much greater skill than the boot it upfield that often disfigures rugby.

    And it's not slow; the actual action is lightning fast. It just that there are long pauses between each play.

    But it is really a game of the television age.
    It IS slow, in that a play happens and then for seemingly no good reason nothing happens for five minutes. It could be played in 1h 30 mins, no question. But as you say, it’s a TV game now.

    Do you have any idea how long games took back in the fifties, say?
    High School games are best as they are not televised, but still have the full cheerleader/marching band/drill team experience. They take a couple of hours and are great fun.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    If only we had any political journalists who understand the difference between debt and deficit, the difference between prices and inflation, etc etc.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,045

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    The idiots must be on drugs
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,203
    Sandpit said:

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    If only we had any political journalists who understand the difference between debt and deficit, the difference between prices and inflation, etc etc.
    All the numpties on R5 cared about was had he done his diversity impact assessment and asking him to give an exact result next May that would get Kemi sacked.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,284
    Former England Rugger international, Lewis Moody, has a diagnosis of MND.

    Terrible news.

    https://x.com/lewismoody7/status/1975077616857276607?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,284
    Sandpit said:

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    If only we had any political journalists who understand the difference between debt and deficit, the difference between prices and inflation, etc etc.
    Peston ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,284
    malcolmg said:

    The Green Party wants to abolish me :disappointed:

    The Green Party has just voted to make "Abolish Landlords" Party policy. Some concerns around the proactive name but passed almost unanimously

    https://x.com/isaac_kh/status/1974818309645185217

    So these are their proposals.

    Here follows the Green Party’s Six Step Plan to Abolish Landlords;


    Introduce Rent Controls and Abolish Right to Buy. (HO401, HO503)

    Abolish Section 21 Evictions and make all rental agreements secure long-term tenancies that can only be terminated by the tenant. (HO519)

    Tax the Landlords - move towards a Land Value Tax levied on Owners, not Tenants. No Exceptions. Business Rates on AirBnBs/Short Lets. No Exceptions. Double taxation for empty properties. Put National Insurance on Private Rents. (HO401, EC780-2)

    Remove finance for Landlords - end Buy to Let mortgages. (HO521)

    Provide government backed finance to tenants. Give tenants First Right to Buy when Landlords sell, with their total rent paid discounted.

    Provide finance to Councils. Councils should be given Second Right to Buy when Landlords sell, or property that hasn’t been insulated to EPC rating C or fails to meet the decent homes standard, or any property that is left empty for more than six months, with the total current tenancy discounted, tenants moved to a truly affordable Council tenancy. Government must change prudential borrowing requirements to allow Councils to buy back and build new housing on a massive scale. (2024 Manifesto Pg9).


    https://www.greencoordinate.co.uk/motions/abolish-landlords/
    The idiots must be on drugs
    Very probably.

    Morning Malc, hope you’re well Sir.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,101
    Sandpit said:

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    If only we had any political journalists who understand the difference between debt and deficit, the difference between prices and inflation, etc etc.
    Even if we did, is there any sign at all that the public would vote for it? We didn't get here accidentally, and it's not just due to Ukraine/COVID/Truss/Brown etc.

    In the days of the duopoly, you might have had a back channels understanding that something tough needed to be done and neither side would push the issue too hard. (There was a fair chunk of that in 2010- the question was more about the shape of austerity than the need for it.) In a politics where there are opportunistic populists on the left and right, that will be much much harder.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,668
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    And what about those of us who are pretty damn close to 100kg in weight? Would that just make it more exciting?
    Don't get caught, or lose weight, or get yourself a good criminal lawyer ..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,773

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    More back story to the Jihadi Jihad.

    Manchester synagogue attacker was cannabis-smoking university dropout
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/05/manchester-synagogue-attacker-cannabis-smoking-drop-out/

    When was the last time we had a member of the Spontaneously Self Exploding* Community who didn't follow this path?

    1) Loser
    2) Criminal
    3) Found God (exploding kind) in jail
    4) Exploded

    *Well, wanabee. The recent batch can't do chemistry and can't get hold of explosives. So they play Lets Pretend To Be A Suicide Bomber.
    I wonder if the data supports the general sense that terrorist attacks are becoming just a bit rubbish. Once upon a time we had coordinated bombing attacks across London - now we just have one loser with a kitchen knife. MaxPB compared the latest one to Four Lions but even that was more sophisticated.

    No consolation to those killed of course.
    It's only a matter of time before someone who can do chemistry and can learn to fly a drone gets involved.

    The later really only requires opposable thumbs and a few hundred quid (for a reasonable payload).
    Governments need to be ready to buy up surplus drones once the war in Ukraine finishes. This war has shown how easy it is to use what are basically toy drones for killing people. The Ukranians also now have their own factories churning out thousands of them designed for war.

    As in the 1990s, with the war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the fighting stops there will be a lot of poor people out there with access to serious weapons, happy to sell their ‘souveniers’ to anyone with a handful of Benjamins.

    We’ve all seen how easy it is to hang a grenade or an artillery shell from a quad-rotor drone and drop it on command, that’s before we get on to the surveillance drones and the remote-controlled light aircraft.

    It’s going to be a big problem.
    Be big business for prison breaks.
    https://www.motionew.com/shop/multirotor-drone/mrh214-hexacopter/
    $50k hexcopter drone, can lift 100kg. Loads of similar in Ukraine and Russia at the moment.

    Tie a couple of wrist straps to the bottom of one of those, and you can have someone out of the prison yard before the guards knew what happened. Would be a damn scary ride for the escapee though, not sure I’d volunteer to test it!
    There have already been lots of helicopter prison escapes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopter_prison_escapes

    Not all successful. Since many high-risk prisons have cables strung across them, getting a drone in might be possible, but it might be a bit like threading a needle...
    Cheap anti drone systems are on the way.
    Just stick a couple on HMP Scrubs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,222
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Red card for Mel Stride in the morning media round he kept saying these cuts will pay down the debt. Absolute BS given currently borrowing £150bn a year. Reduce the deficit perhaps.

    If only we had any political journalists who understand the difference between debt and deficit, the difference between prices and inflation, etc etc.
    Peston ?
    Peston on a good day maybe, where he’s actually looking for a sensible answer rather than a political ‘gotcha’ that looks great clipped out of context to a 30s soundbite.

    Andrew Neil was good back in the day too.

    The rest of them, not so much.

    The only thing in their favor (sic), is that they come across as total and utter geniuses to anyone who spends any time watching what passes for mainstream political journalism in the US, where ignorance and partisanship are way more important than informing the audience.
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