The whole situation is just desperately sad. I think Starmer and Labour come out of this looking like utter cretins as well.
Useless.
There's a video of a slightly ranty Shabana Mahmood attending a pro-Palestinian rally, where everyone in the background is shouting "the usual slogans"
It looks very very very bad, tonight
She won't get the top job, unless Labour are insane
It is an old video from a few years ago.
But of course, she's a canny politician, no way she'd do that NOW
But it is being wheeled out and the optics are grim, for her
Is all I am saying
In some ways I quite like her, she seems to have spirit. But the times are very much against her
Police have now nicked 3 - suspect shot is called 'Jihad Al-Shamie'. British citizen - Syrian.
The name feels like a joke
I did my PhD in the same office as a foreign student called Jihad. She was a delight, to be fair.
I know somebody called Osama (born well before you know who became infamous).
In typical British tradition he was known as Ozzy but he still gets looks when he has to use his proper name (such as banks etc.)
Many years ago I lived in a rented house in Norwich - rented from a chap called S. Hussain. One night, a ramble drunk message was left on the phone ranting about Iraq and everything Saddam Hussain (It was the time of Stop The War etc). Next night came a ramble apology… I found it very amusing.
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
I'd like to agree with you, and "calm down", but the trouble is Prof Betz - a world renowned specialist in civil breakdown and civil war - lucidly laid down what he expected to happen in "a western European country" in the next few years, if his fears of civil strife, largely Muslim/native/Jews - were to come true
And we are following the path he described, almost perfectly
Anyway I am done for tonight. Too depressing. Shalom
Two people have been murdered. Condolences to their family and friends, inadequate as those words are.
I don't care about the murderer. I hope he rots in Hell.
I fear he might have suspected he was headed somewhere else!
72 year-old virgin?
On that note, it has been reported the bomb was not a bomb. Presumably it was there to fool the police into shooting him, thus ensuring his passage to heaven. Paradoxically, if you have been indoctrinated into that mindset, being killed by the enemies of Islam (operationally defined as the local constabulary or anyone at all really; let's face it, if you think Israel's government is run from Manchester, you are not the full shekel) is an incentive, not a deterrent.
Weren’t the suicide vests at the London Bridge narwhal horn joust also fake?
The thing that is comforting is that these guys can’t do chemistry. Anyone remember the Doctors Plot? - where a bunch of medics seemed to think that a car load of Jerry cans and some road flares = Michael Bay Time
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
But see the second tweet, it also implies the denial of a Palestinian state.
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Indeed
And remember the Pro-Palestinian Muslims that drove down Finchley Road in their cars, flying the Palestinian flag and shouting "fuck the Jews and rape their daughters", in a Jewish district of London
And remember what happened to them? Nothing. Nothing happened to them. They didn't even face trial. Charges were dropped
"In May 16, 2021 a Muslim convoy drove through Jewish areas St John's Wood, Finchley Road, & near Golders Green. The men from Blackburn, shouted antisemitic abuse, inc threats such as "f*** the Jews, f*** their daughters, & mothers, rape their daughters" & calls to "show your support for Palestine".
The CPS did decide to prosecute, but when Asif Ali, 26, Adil Mota, 27, Mohammed Iftikhar Hanif, 28, & Jawaad Hussain, 25, arrived at the Magistrates Court, all of a sudden the charges were dropped."
it is stuff like this, the tolerance of this sectarian hatred and violence from "communities", which has led directly to today
Two Tier Kier of course shoulders a massive share of the blame for our ills. But your story was in 2021. After the supposed Tory wets had been thrown out the party. It’s why I find it impossible to trust the Tory party to correct things. For all that Farage is likely to be bringing a band of pirates into Parliament next time, I’m personally at the point where it’s worth the roll of the dice.
And how much will you blame the Left for the disaster of a Farage government?
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
If we assume Reform is likely to win elections, what should sane right wingers do?
Leave them to recruit from the fringes and point at the disaster, or infiltrate the party with vaguely competent professionals?
The whole situation is just desperately sad. I think Starmer and Labour come out of this looking like utter cretins as well.
Useless.
There's a video of a slightly ranty Shabana Mahmood attending a pro-Palestinian rally, where everyone in the background is shouting "the usual slogans"
It looks very very very bad, tonight
She won't get the top job, unless Labour are insane
It is an old video from a few years ago.
But of course, she's a canny politician, no way she'd do that NOW
But it is being wheeled out and the optics are grim, for her
Is all I am saying
In some ways I quite like her, she seems to have spirit. But the times are very much against her
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
Don't be ridiculous. Yes it is a call for the slaughter of Jews as Hamas has made clear. Hamas has expressly urged its followers to kill Jews everywhere in the world, wherever they can be found. Israel was the homeland of the Jews long before the Palestinians even existed. Israel is not a colonial venture but a legally constituted state created by the UN. It has as much right to exist as Pakistan and Jordan which are also the result of colonialism, if you want to go down that route. If you want a colonial empire to blame, the various Arab, Ottoman and Persian empires are just as much to blame for the messes in that part of the world.
On a day when Jews praying on their most important holy day are murdered, common decency should have demanded a moment's thought for the Jewish community, not the waving of flags of those who are and have been gleeful at the murder of Jews.
Freedom of speech is the right to offend.
Yes if people were marching/driving through Finchley chanting for Jews to be killed, they should have been prosecuted. If not, the CPS should be required to say why. They are our servants.
Palestine was not a (particularly) Jewish homeland between the Roman sack of Jerusalem and the First Aliyah. The settlement was mostly Western colonialism taking advantage of Ottoman weakness.
Yes Israel has the right to exist, but the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is effectively a colonial war that needs to be settled.
The whole situation is just desperately sad. I think Starmer and Labour come out of this looking like utter cretins as well.
Useless.
There's a video of a slightly ranty Shabana Mahmood attending a pro-Palestinian rally, where everyone in the background is shouting "the usual slogans"
It looks very very very bad, tonight
She won't get the top job, unless Labour are insane
It is an old video from a few years ago.
But of course, she's a canny politician, no way she'd do that NOW
But it is being wheeled out and the optics are grim, for her
Is all I am saying
In some ways I quite like her, she seems to have spirit. But the times are very much against her
Are they? Polls show most British voters back recognition of a Palestinian state and a two state solution and opposed the bombing of Gaza even if they want the hostages freed.
Today's violence was awful and terrible for the Jewish community but brutal political reality is it would have had most political impact in this country if it had been a church or public building mainly attended by white Christian or irreligious British people attacked rather than a synagogue
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Indeed
And remember the Pro-Palestinian Muslims that drove down Finchley Road in their cars, flying the Palestinian flag and shouting "fuck the Jews and rape their daughters", in a Jewish district of London
And remember what happened to them? Nothing. Nothing happened to them. They didn't even face trial. Charges were dropped
"In May 16, 2021 a Muslim convoy drove through Jewish areas St John's Wood, Finchley Road, & near Golders Green. The men from Blackburn, shouted antisemitic abuse, inc threats such as "f*** the Jews, f*** their daughters, & mothers, rape their daughters" & calls to "show your support for Palestine".
The CPS did decide to prosecute, but when Asif Ali, 26, Adil Mota, 27, Mohammed Iftikhar Hanif, 28, & Jawaad Hussain, 25, arrived at the Magistrates Court, all of a sudden the charges were dropped."
it is stuff like this, the tolerance of this sectarian hatred and violence from "communities", which has led directly to today
Two Tier Kier of course shoulders a massive share of the blame for our ills. But your story was in 2021. After the supposed Tory wets had been thrown out the party. It’s why I find it impossible to trust the Tory party to correct things. For all that Farage is likely to be bringing a band of pirates into Parliament next time, I’m personally at the point where it’s worth the roll of the dice.
And how much will you blame the Left for the disaster of a Farage government?
Part of the appeal of Faragism is to be able to say "it's not my fault". Whatever Farage does, the blame will lie with his opponents, because that's the bloody point.
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
Both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have said that no Jew will be allowed to live in a "free" Palestine.
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
If we assume Reform is likely to win elections, what should sane right wingers do?
Leave them to recruit from the fringes and point at the disaster, or infiltrate the party with vaguely competent professionals?
No idea, the Tories are dead.
The only solution I can see is that they learn from the lefties and infiltrate the breakaway party with fewer swivel eyed loons.
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Indeed
And remember the Pro-Palestinian Muslims that drove down Finchley Road in their cars, flying the Palestinian flag and shouting "fuck the Jews and rape their daughters", in a Jewish district of London
And remember what happened to them? Nothing. Nothing happened to them. They didn't even face trial. Charges were dropped
"In May 16, 2021 a Muslim convoy drove through Jewish areas St John's Wood, Finchley Road, & near Golders Green. The men from Blackburn, shouted antisemitic abuse, inc threats such as "f*** the Jews, f*** their daughters, & mothers, rape their daughters" & calls to "show your support for Palestine".
The CPS did decide to prosecute, but when Asif Ali, 26, Adil Mota, 27, Mohammed Iftikhar Hanif, 28, & Jawaad Hussain, 25, arrived at the Magistrates Court, all of a sudden the charges were dropped."
it is stuff like this, the tolerance of this sectarian hatred and violence from "communities", which has led directly to today
Two Tier Kier of course shoulders a massive share of the blame for our ills. But your story was in 2021. After the supposed Tory wets had been thrown out the party. It’s why I find it impossible to trust the Tory party to correct things. For all that Farage is likely to be bringing a band of pirates into Parliament next time, I’m personally at the point where it’s worth the roll of the dice.
And how much will you blame the Left for the disaster of a Farage government?
I have quite low expectations of competence from a Farage government. But I at least have some hope that its inclinations will be broadly the right ones (fiscally is a huge question mark still). There is however plenty of time for them to up their competence levels.
Anyone watched that Guinness thing? Just started it and the paddywhackery music is already putting me off. Do I detect the vulgar hand of Peaky Blinder-ism in its makeup?
Anyone watched that Guinness thing? Just started it and the paddywhackery music is already putting me off. Do I detect the vulgar hand of Peaky Blinder-ism in its makeup?
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
But see the second tweet, it also implies the denial of a Palestinian state.
A great pity then that the Palestinians have turned down every state offered to them, turned Gaza into a base for attacking Israel and that Jordan which annexed the land now claimed by the Palestinians as their state utterly failed to create a Palestinian state during the 18 years when they could have done so.
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
Both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have said that no Jew will be allowed to live in a "free" Palestine.
Is there anywhere else where most of the population are implants in the last 80 years?
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
If we assume Reform is likely to win elections, what should sane right wingers do?
Leave them to recruit from the fringes and point at the disaster, or infiltrate the party with vaguely competent professionals?
No idea, the Tories are dead.
The only solution I can see is that they learn from the lefties and infiltrate the breakaway party with fewer swivel eyed loons.
By the time of the next general election Cleverly could be Tory leader, Burnham Labour leader and Farage may even not be Reform leader so far too early to say that
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
But see the second tweet, it also implies the denial of a Palestinian state.
A great pity then that the Palestinians have turned down every state offered to them, turned Gaza into a base for attacking Israel and that Jordan which annexed the land now claimed by the Palestinians as their state utterly failed to create a Palestinian state during the 18 years when they could have done so.
It's frustrating, the Palestinians are a poorly led people.
Politics UK @PolitlcsUK · 1m 🚨 UPDATE: Jihad al Shamie entered the UK as a child and was granted British citizenship in 2006
Batten down the hatches, lads. This will not play out well.
That's interesting as 2006 was before the Syrian Civil War. You have to wonder how his family got to come to the UK in the first place (especially as Syrian's historic links were with France)
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
Don't be ridiculous. Yes it is a call for the slaughter of Jews as Hamas has made clear. Hamas has expressly urged its followers to kill Jews everywhere in the world, wherever they can be found. Israel was the homeland of the Jews long before the Palestinians even existed. Israel is not a colonial venture but a legally constituted state created by the UN. It has as much right to exist as Pakistan and Jordan which are also the result of colonialism, if you want to go down that route. If you want a colonial empire to blame, the various Arab, Ottoman and Persian empires are just as much to blame for the messes in that part of the world.
On a day when Jews praying on their most important holy day are murdered, common decency should have demanded a moment's thought for the Jewish community, not the waving of flags of those who are and have been gleeful at the murder of Jews.
Freedom of speech is the right to offend.
Yes if people were marching/driving through Finchley chanting for Jews to be killed, they should have been prosecuted. If not, the CPS should be required to say why. They are our servants.
Palestine was not a (particularly) Jewish homeland between the Roman sack of Jerusalem and the First Aliyah. The settlement was mostly Western colonialism taking advantage of Ottoman weakness.
Yes Israel has the right to exist, but the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is effectively a colonial war that needs to be settled.
Jews are not colonialists in Israel. If anything, they are more like the First Nation. And the atrocity today is why so many Jews, wherever they live, feel the need to have a homeland of their own because they cannot trust us to keep them safe, not to turn on them. I am ashamed that this should be so.
Anyone watched that Guinness thing? Just started it and the paddywhackery music is already putting me off. Do I detect the vulgar hand of Peaky Blinder-ism in its makeup?
'The Irish Times review lamented the show’s “rudimentary understanding of Ireland’s experiences of colonialism” and “stunning lack of appreciation for who the Anglo-Irish were and where they fit (or didn’t) into Irish society”.
It said the heart-throb hard man, played by the English actor James Norton, sounded like “a steampunk Mr Tayto” – a reference to an Irish crisp brand mascot – and that the revolutionaries, the Fenians, “dress and speak like feral leprechauns”.'
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
If we assume Reform is likely to win elections, what should sane right wingers do?
Leave them to recruit from the fringes and point at the disaster, or infiltrate the party with vaguely competent professionals?
No idea, the Tories are dead.
The only solution I can see is that they learn from the lefties and infiltrate the breakaway party with fewer swivel eyed loons.
By the time of the next general election Cleverly could be Tory leader, Burnham Labour leader and Farage may even not be Reform leader so far too early to say that
Does Farage still have the "It really is my party, because I own enough of the shares" thing? Technically, he could be replaced, I guess, or he could get bored/frit and wander off.
But I doubt any replacement would keep the show on the road for long.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
Politics UK @PolitlcsUK · 1m 🚨 UPDATE: Jihad al Shamie entered the UK as a child and was granted British citizenship in 2006
Batten down the hatches, lads. This will not play out well.
That's interesting as 2006 was before the Syrian Civil War. You have to wonder how his family got to come to the UK in the first place (especially as Syrian's historic links were with France)
Normal immigration? It happens. Alternatively Bashar al-Assad was no doubt already being a c*** to his opponents in 2006 so maybe refugees.
Getting some classic #pbfreespeech this evening. The weakest set of principles known on the internet.
Protesting against what is going on in Gaza is not glorifying violence - it's the exact opposite. It does not equate to expressing glee at the murders that happened today.
If there are people calling for the death of Jews, or celebrating what happened today, they should be banged up like those who called for the same after Southport.* I'm personally uneasy about any protest happening today given events; we know that some members of the Jewish community find them intimidating. They should have been postponed to tomorrow.
But I would never presume to deny people's right to free assembly, whatever my personal feelings. If we allow a terrorist attack like the one today to lead us to abandon our principles in this way then the Islamist extremists have succeeded in subverting our democracy.
*Note that the police don't often arrest people straight away other than ringleaders - we may find that some individuals are lifted the morning like what happened after the far-right march in London.
You say that but have a Jewish wife and three half Jewish children then tell me that the Gaza flag wavers glorifying Hamas and calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide is just free speech. These thugs are on our streets encouraging acts like the one we saw today, they're out there waving the flags of Hezbollah, Hamas and even ISIS sometimes. They are supporting terrorists and they are celebrating the deaths of innocent people tonight, chanting "from the river to the sea" which is code for "kill all Jews".
We're allowing this kind of extremism against Jews to be normalised in this country with zero consequences, except to the innocent people who get murdered by the terrorists who are inspired to acts of violence by the mob. My wife hasn't been to the temple for almost 6 months, our third child has yet to be taken there either. This is exactly why, there is a huge amount of fear among the British Jewish community and it's time to bring these Gaza thugs to book.
Well, Hezbollah Hamas and ISIS are all terrorist organisations so waving their flags is illegal. Arrests should happen.
Who is calling for the eradication of Jews worldwide?
"From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" is arguably not a call for genocide. The Jewish occupation of Palestine is unfortunately yet another 19th/20th century colonial conflict that has yet to be worked out.
From the river to the sea is one of those terms I find weird because Israeli people themselves use it.
For example the Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom.
It’s not the phrase “from the river to the sea”. The chant is “Palestine shall be free from the river to the sea” implicitly denying the right of Israel to exist
Both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have said that no Jew will be allowed to live in a "free" Palestine.
Is there anywhere else where most of the population are implants in the last 80 years?
There are hardly any Germans in East Prussia, Pomerania, and Silesia, 80 years on.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
I credit Stamer with sorting out Labour's antismemitism problem, even if I can't quite forgive him for sitting in Corbyn's shadow cabinet. He gets a pass on balance.
We must grasp the nettle. Voting Reform might not even be enough
Oh God. You are going to be insufferably over excited at discovering the petp was an Islamist terrorist. Did it come as a complete surprise to you after seeing the video and photos at lunchtime?
I am very worried where this is going and what may follow
We may even find ourselves in a national emergency where all protest marches are banned no matter by whom
This would be extreme but I fear this is a dangerous moment
Yes. I agree.
A problem will be if the itching-to-be-violent extreme right start bussing themselves in from everywhere. I would expect something like a Demasking Order and also perhaps a Section 34 order (if that's the right one) to be in place quite quickly.
Where's Tommy Ten Jail Sentences at the moment?
Is he still in a South American country awaiting deportation complaining about being detained as an being for being an unwelcome alien? Or is he sitting on his butt in an expensive hotel somewhere on the money he conned off his gullibles?
We must grasp the nettle. Voting Reform might not even be enough
Oh God. You are going to be insufferably over excited at discovering the petp was an Islamist terrorist. Did it come as a complete surprise to you after seeing the video and photos at lunchtime?
I am very worried where this is going and what may follow
We may even find ourselves in a national emergency where all protest marches are banned no matter by whom
This would be extreme but I fear this is a dangerous moment
Yes. I agree.
A problem will be if the itching-to-be-violent extreme right start bussing themselves in from everywhere. I would expect something like a Demasking Order and also perhaps a Section 34 order (if that's the right one) to be in place quite quickly.
Where's Tommy Ten Jail Sentences at the moment?
Is he still in a South American country awaiting deportation complaining about being detained as an being for being an unwelcome alien? Or is he sitting on his butt in an expensive hotel somewhere on the money he conned off his gullibles?
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
With a few, very rare, exceptions, "my enemy's enemy is my friend" is a terrible model of the world.
Yes, I know what Churchill said about Satan during World War Two. That was one of the rare exceptions. One of our problems as a nation is we insist on drawing the wrong lessons from 1939-45.
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
Has it not dawned on you and the 5 people so far that liked your post, that the Hamas flag wavers on the streets tonight are not protesting? But celebrating.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
The whole situation is just desperately sad. I think Starmer and Labour come out of this looking like utter cretins as well.
Useless.
There's a video of a slightly ranty Shabana Mahmood attending a pro-Palestinian rally, where everyone in the background is shouting "the usual slogans"
It looks very very very bad, tonight
She won't get the top job, unless Labour are insane
It is an old video from a few years ago.
I very much understand your outrage at the event today. I don't believe any Jewish person should feel unsafe in their own country, and I can understand why you feel unsafe when vile criminals plan and complete such a vile atrocity as the criminal in Crumpsall did today. It could be you or your loved ones he is randomly attacking. This isn't the country I love.
I have also mentioned earlier this week British Muslim women callers crying on LBC because they feel unsafe when the fanbois of Farage and Yaxley-Lennon threaten and harass them to the point where they also want to leave the country because they feel unsafe. This isn't the country I love.
Lucy Connolly aside I believe I have identified a common denominator for this vile display of hatred. Both those Jewish people going about their business and Muslim people going about theirs are made to feel unsafe because of men, be they Jihadi men set on intifada or white racist men telling people of colour to "go home" in unparliamentary terms.
I don't believe Leon's excitable promotion on here of inflammatory anti Muslim narratives calms any troubled waters. He has an agenda, but the fact he has already received 15 likes for one of these posts (the first paragraph of which I can't disagree with a word of) and 9 likes for another suggests I might be in the minority.
It has been very calm on here on a sombre Yom Kippur until Leon decided he wanted to play to the gallery. Does Leon venting from the safety of his recently refurbished Regents Park flat really help us come to terms with the mindset of a lone wolf Jihadi bastard?
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
If we assume Reform is likely to win elections, what should sane right wingers do?
Leave them to recruit from the fringes and point at the disaster, or infiltrate the party with vaguely competent professionals?
No idea, the Tories are dead.
The only solution I can see is that they learn from the lefties and infiltrate the breakaway party with fewer swivel eyed loons.
By the time of the next general election Cleverly could be Tory leader, Burnham Labour leader and Farage may even not be Reform leader so far too early to say that
Hopefully they grow some balls when they get routed in May and oust Badenoch for a route back to sanity.
Anyone watched that Guinness thing? Just started it and the paddywhackery music is already putting me off. Do I detect the vulgar hand of Peaky Blinder-ism in its makeup?
'The Irish Times review lamented the show’s “rudimentary understanding of Ireland’s experiences of colonialism” and “stunning lack of appreciation for who the Anglo-Irish were and where they fit (or didn’t) into Irish society”.
It said the heart-throb hard man, played by the English actor James Norton, sounded like “a steampunk Mr Tayto” – a reference to an Irish crisp brand mascot – and that the revolutionaries, the Fenians, “dress and speak like feral leprechauns”.'
Barely a stereotype left unturned so far. I quite like James Norton but he’s picking dogs to appear in recently. He seems to be channelling Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York in this one.
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
Has it not dawned on you and the 5 people so far that liked your post, that the Hamas flag wavers on the streets tonight are not protesting? But celebrating.
These protests have been going on for years, and the one this evening was planned far in advance of the terrorist attack today.
Those flying that flag do not consider it the "Hamas flag", FYI.
Politics UK @PolitlcsUK · 1m 🚨 UPDATE: Jihad al Shamie entered the UK as a child and was granted British citizenship in 2006
Batten down the hatches, lads. This will not play out well.
That's interesting as 2006 was before the Syrian Civil War. You have to wonder how his family got to come to the UK in the first place (especially as Syrian's historic links were with France)
Normal immigration? It happens. Alternatively Bashar al-Assad was no doubt already being a c*** to his opponents in 2006 so maybe refugees.
The original Baathtubist regime in Syria was an especially vicious and paranoid dictatorship, right from the beginning. They used very anti-Semitic state propaganda for decades as justification for their repression. “The Jews are hiding under the bed…”
Anyone from that county would have been soaked in that nonsense, non-stop.
A question: my wife is encouraging me to install the easy fundraising app. The idea is that when you make online purchases, a small percentage goes to your fundraising target of choice (our daughter's planned VSO-type trip to Cambodia in a couple of years). You install the app, then the instructioms casually tell you to go into your acceasibility settings and flick a switch which essentially gives it access to everything you do online on the phone. This is madness, surely? Ostensibly this is so it can remind you to go through easyfundraising whenever it sees you about to make a purchase of any sort. But even my phone was telling me not to do it apart from in very special circumstances. I'm not a massive data-privacy nerd - but surely this is giving an app far, far too much personal information?
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
Nonetheless it is a Daily Telegraph dog whistle. Starmer must despise his Jewish wife and children.
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
Has it not dawned on you and the 5 people so far that liked your post, that the Hamas flag wavers on the streets tonight are not protesting? But celebrating.
These protests have been going on for years, and the one this evening was planned far in advance of the terrorist attack today.
Those flying that flag do not consider it the "Hamas flag", FYI.
Perhaps. But there are scenes of open jubilation across the country.
A question: my wife is encouraging me to install the easy fundraising app. The idea is that when you make online purchases, a small percentage goes to your fundraising target of choice (our daughter's planned VSO-type trip to Cambodia in a couple of years). You install the app, then the instructioms casually tell you to go into your acceasibility settings and flick a switch which essentially gives it access to everything you do online on the phone. This is madness, surely? Ostensibly this is so it can remind you to go through easyfundraising whenever it sees you about to make a purchase of any sort. But even my phone was telling me not to do it apart from in very special circumstances. I'm not a massive data-privacy nerd - but surely this is giving an app far, far too much personal information?
Don't do it.
Just set up savings pot with your bank and top it up there.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
Nonetheless it is a Daily Telegraph dog whistle. Starmer must despise his Jewish wife and children.
Are we still sticking to the thing of Starmer being happily married? Mmmkay
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
Has it not dawned on you and the 5 people so far that liked your post, that the Hamas flag wavers on the streets tonight are not protesting? But celebrating.
I (deliberately) didn't comment on protesters.
In my view, ideally people would avoid protest that is even tangentially related immediately after such a crime, out of respect.
However, on balance, I decided that my view was it shouldn't be illegal unless the protest is of a kind that breaks existing laws. Because, again, I think that's a slippery slope towards changing rules for law abiding citizens in response to the actions of terrorists.
If existing laws are insufficient to prevent inciting violence then that's an entirely separate conversation that should be addressed.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
Nonetheless it is a Daily Telegraph dog whistle. Starmer must despise his Jewish wife and children.
Are we still sticking to the thing of Starmer being happily married? Mmmkay
For anyone wanting something different, this is a very good video from Times Radio today looking at one of the components of the white evangelical movement that pushed Trump to the Presidency last year.
It touches on the movement I have mentioned called the "New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)" , which is a "build the USA to be a society directed by our version of Christendom".
It's has a lot of clips of the leaders speaking their minds, and how their peculiar evangelicalism applies to politics, and their bizarre ideas about 'spiritual warfare in a political cause', and who believe Trump was "anointed by God". So they tolerated immorality and justified violence.
I'm fascinated that one of the protagonists is Kenneth Copeland, who was one of the originators of the Prosperity Gospel movement, starting in 1967. These guys stay around. His TV station took its audience from 55k to 32 million in 6 months on the back of the movement in 2020/2021.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
To be blunt . Netanyahu has acted as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Semitism . Things don’t happen in a vacuum . It’s a tragic irony that those killed on October 7 were most likely to be pro peace and more sympathetic to a two state solution and Jews around the world are now being targeted in response to the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF . The UK won’t be lectured by anyone in that cesspit cabinet who have overseen a genocide and now seek to deflect by accusing others of exactly what they’ve caused .
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
Has it not dawned on you and the 5 people so far that liked your post, that the Hamas flag wavers on the streets tonight are not protesting? But celebrating.
I (deliberately) didn't comment on protesters.
In my view, ideally people would avoid protest that is even tangentially related immediately after such a crime, out of respect.
However, on balance, I decided that my view was it shouldn't be illegal unless the protest is of a kind that breaks existing laws. Because, again, I think that's a slippery slope towards changing rules for law abiding citizens in response to the actions of terrorists.
If existing laws are insufficient to prevent inciting violence then that's an entirely separate conversation that should be addressed.
I don’t think they should be illegal. But it does underline to me why I should not spend much time considering their supposed cause.
We cannot let big political decisions be decided by thugs, terrorists and lunatics.
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
Has it not dawned on you and the 5 people so far that liked your post, that the Hamas flag wavers on the streets tonight are not protesting? But celebrating.
I (deliberately) didn't comment on protesters.
In my view, ideally people would avoid protest that is even tangentially related immediately after such a crime, out of respect.
However, on balance, I decided that my view was it shouldn't be illegal unless the protest is of a kind that breaks existing laws. Because, again, I think that's a slippery slope towards changing rules for law abiding citizens in response to the actions of terrorists.
If existing laws are insufficient to prevent inciting violence then that's an entirely separate conversation that should be addressed.
I don’t think they should be illegal. But it does underline to me why I should not spend much time considering their supposed cause.
Marvellous that one of my numerous guilty pleasures, Salvage Hunters, is currently highlighting the Khan brothers, a couple of hipster Muslim antiques dealers/restorers. Seem totally English to me, they’ve even got W.G.Grace beards.
I suppose they’ll be banned in the New Farage Order.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
To be blunt . Netanyahu has acted as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Semitism . Things don’t happen in a vacuum . It’s a tragic irony that those killed on October 7 were most likely to be pro peace and more sympathetic to a two state solution and Jews around the world are now being targeted in response to the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF . The UK won’t be lectured by anyone in that cesspit cabinet who have overseen a genocide and now seek to deflect by accusing others of exactly what they’ve caused .
Except there were waves of “protests” (aka celebrations) after 7 Oct, before Israel had fired a single shell in response.
Marvellous that one of my numerous guilty pleasures, Salvage Hunters, is currently highlighting the Khan brothers, a couple of hipster Muslim antiques dealers/restorers. Seem totally English to me, they’ve even got W.G.Grace beards.
I suppose they’ll be banned in the New Farage Order.
One can only hope.
What a depressing post on an equally depressing day.
Marvellous that one of my numerous guilty pleasures, Salvage Hunters, is currently highlighting the Khan brothers, a couple of hipster Muslim antiques dealers/restorers. Seem totally English to me, they’ve even got W.G.Grace beards.
I suppose they’ll be banned in the New Farage Order.
One can only hope.
What a depressing post on an equally depressing day.
Being charitable, I think it was written as a slightly inappropriately executed joke about bearded hipsters.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
To be blunt . Netanyahu has acted as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Semitism . Things don’t happen in a vacuum . It’s a tragic irony that those killed on October 7 were most likely to be pro peace and more sympathetic to a two state solution and Jews around the world are now being targeted in response to the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF . The UK won’t be lectured by anyone in that cesspit cabinet who have overseen a genocide and now seek to deflect by accusing others of exactly what they’ve caused .
Except there were waves of “protests” (aka celebrations) after 7 Oct, before Israel had fired a single shell in response.
It isn't really the day to put your post into any historical context, and as I don't want to appear as a Hamas apologist, of which I am not, it would be best if I stfu.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 9m This is the Director of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign. His tweet claims we should all be displaying "common humanity and empathy for the victims and their loved ones". Two hours earlier his organisation had urged people onto the streets for tonight's demonstrations.
The kind of ludicrous conflating of Netanyahu’s personal crime spree and religious identity which seems to have become the thicko norm in circles including this one.
Marvellous that one of my numerous guilty pleasures, Salvage Hunters, is currently highlighting the Khan brothers, a couple of hipster Muslim antiques dealers/restorers. Seem totally English to me, they’ve even got W.G.Grace beards.
I suppose they’ll be banned in the New Farage Order.
One can only hope.
What a depressing post on an equally depressing day.
Being charitable, I think it was written as a slightly inappropriately executed joke about bearded hipsters.
The fact that he, along with Scampi gave the Starmer marriage slur post a like I am not so sure you are right.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
There have been some pretty awful takes on all of this today. I've largely sat it out this evening as I don't much want to add to them.
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
The DT is quoting an Israeli official who is the one doing the blaming not the newspaper:
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
To be blunt . Netanyahu has acted as a recruiting sergeant for anti-Semitism . Things don’t happen in a vacuum . It’s a tragic irony that those killed on October 7 were most likely to be pro peace and more sympathetic to a two state solution and Jews around the world are now being targeted in response to the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF . The UK won’t be lectured by anyone in that cesspit cabinet who have overseen a genocide and now seek to deflect by accusing others of exactly what they’ve caused .
Except there were waves of “protests” (aka celebrations) after 7 Oct, before Israel had fired a single shell in response.
No one’s arguing that Hamas are vile or what happened on October 7th was horrific .
I see the DT is blaming Starmer for the attack . Absolutely pathetic .
It is darkly amusing to see that a man with a Jewish wife is being accused of stoking antisemitsm, nearly as 'amusing' that people are saying that Nigel Farage is best placed to deal with antisemitism, given in the past he has been criticised by Jewish organisations for repeating antisemitic tropes.
There have been some pretty awful takes on all of this today. I've largely sat it out this evening as I don't much want to add to them.
I mentioned earlier on today my friend's grandfather visits the synagogue attacked today.
He'd be disgusted by some of the takes on here today.
I've actually tried to avoid The Manchester Thing, today, hence my going on about weird female tastes in perverse fiction
But tonight I am thinking about it. And it is horribly bleak
On a basic maybe tasteless political level it is clearly very bad for Labour, but also for the Tories, not that they matter. Good for Reform, FWIW
But more importantly it feels like a pivotal moment. maybe more than the average terror attack. This is what France has been through and now it is happening here
The nation is being Balkanised, Prof David Betz is again looking prophetic. Britain is heading for some kind of chronic civil instability and inter-community violence, which could explode into outright strife. Politicians are utterly inadequate to the task of avoiding this
I don't think things are that bleak just yet. But there will be a political backlash the like of which bedwetters and appeaser MPs who have been trying to 'both sides' and 'all communities' the events of the last 10-15 in the UK years are not ready for.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
I'd like to agree with you, and "calm down", but the trouble is Prof Betz - a world renowned specialist in civil breakdown and civil war - lucidly laid down what he expected to happen in "a western European country" in the next few years, if his fears of civil strife, largely Muslim/native/Jews - were to come true
And we are following the path he described, almost perfectly
Anyway I am done for tonight. Too depressing. Shalom
Thank Tetragrammaton, Adonai, El, Elohim, Shaddai, Tzevaot, God, Jesus and the 99 names of Allah for that.
Tonight’s protest was extremely ill-judged and they have done their cause no favours. But protest is not yet illegal, so far as I know.
We’ve come a ways from a political party being able to advocate a *repeat* of the attempted murder of the PM, haven’t we?
I’ve no idea what this refers to.
During the 80s, The Shiners were cheering on a repeat of the Brighton Bombing. The British government reaction was next to nothing, in terms of limiting speach. Yes, with had the Psychopathic School Teacher dubbed for a bit - but they didn’t even cut his MP allowances. Despite refusing to show up for work.
Now we arrest people for offensive T-shirts. Progress, by progressives, eh?
A question: my wife is encouraging me to install the easy fundraising app. The idea is that when you make online purchases, a small percentage goes to your fundraising target of choice (our daughter's planned VSO-type trip to Cambodia in a couple of years). You install the app, then the instructioms casually tell you to go into your acceasibility settings and flick a switch which essentially gives it access to everything you do online on the phone. This is madness, surely? Ostensibly this is so it can remind you to go through easyfundraising whenever it sees you about to make a purchase of any sort. But even my phone was telling me not to do it apart from in very special circumstances. I'm not a massive data-privacy nerd - but surely this is giving an app far, far too much personal information?
I wouldn't touch such an app with a bargepole, although I am a bit on the paranoid side and only buy things from a desktop normally.
Expect lots of spam to go with it, as that's presumably where the money comes from.
Trains? Yes, probably one of those filthy heretics who hates Deltics.
Now let us pray.
Our Penwarden, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy crankshaft sequence be done; In Preston as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily cylinder cycle. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not to 4 stroke engine cycles; but deliver us from evil. For thine is the prime mover, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
Why is @Big_G_NorthWales ranting about Antifa now? He needs to get off Guido or whatever alt-right nut-shop he’s frequenting.
Hope to God he isn't pronouncing it anTEEfa like Farage.
That's worthy of the banhammer.
How is it supposed to be pronounced? I’ve literally no clue.
How are anti freeze, antediluvian, anti disestablishmentarianism, anti matter, my Aunty Annie all pronounced? Like that. He didn't even go for the American Anti either but some weird concoction that sounded like a struggling Serie B team. Honestly.
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But it is being wheeled out and the optics are grim, for her
Is all I am saying
In some ways I quite like her, she seems to have spirit. But the times are very much against her
Next night came a ramble apology…
I found it very amusing.
Reform are going to lay waste to mainstream political parties at the locals. The Caerphilly by-election should be an indication of the mood of the people.
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🚨 UPDATE: Jihad al Shamie entered the UK as a child and was granted British citizenship in 2006
Batten down the hatches, lads. This will not play out well.
When the owner said he wanted Ange, he really should have gone for Rayner. At least Forest might have saved some money on their transfer fees.
Fucking depressing.
And we are following the path he described, almost perfectly
Anyway I am done for tonight. Too depressing. Shalom
The thing that is comforting is that these guys can’t do chemistry. Anyone remember the Doctors Plot? - where a bunch of medics seemed to think that a car load of Jerry cans and some road flares = Michael Bay Time
Leave them to recruit from the fringes and point at the disaster, or infiltrate the party with vaguely competent professionals?
Yes if people were marching/driving through Finchley chanting for Jews to be killed, they should have been prosecuted. If not, the CPS should be required to say why. They are our servants.
Palestine was not a (particularly) Jewish homeland between the Roman sack of Jerusalem and the First Aliyah. The settlement was mostly Western colonialism taking advantage of Ottoman weakness.
Yes Israel has the right to exist, but the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is effectively a colonial war that needs to be settled.
Today's violence was awful and terrible for the Jewish community but brutal political reality is it would have had
most political impact in this
country if it had been a church
or public building mainly
attended by white Christian or
irreligious British people
attacked rather than a
synagogue
The only solution I can see is that they learn from the lefties and infiltrate the breakaway party with fewer swivel eyed loons.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/01/irish-critics-netflix-series-house-of-guinness-ireland
'The Irish Times review lamented the show’s “rudimentary understanding of Ireland’s experiences of colonialism” and “stunning lack of appreciation for who the Anglo-Irish were and where they fit (or didn’t) into Irish society”.
It said the heart-throb hard man, played by the English actor James Norton, sounded like “a steampunk Mr Tayto” – a reference to an Irish crisp brand mascot – and that the revolutionaries, the Fenians, “dress and speak like feral leprechauns”.'
Today's terrorist attack is horrific. We should mourn its victims. And support the Jewish community that was targeted in this case. They should feel safe on our streets.
But that has precisely zero bearing on how we should respond to the barbarism of the current Israeli government. In fact, in a counterintuitive way we'd be letting terrorism dictate how we behave if we were to go easy on Netanyahu as a consequence of such an attack.
But I doubt any replacement would keep the show on the road for long.
A problem will be if the itching-to-be-violent extreme right start bussing themselves in from everywhere. I would expect something like a Demasking Order and also perhaps a Section 34 order (if that's the right one) to be in place quite quickly.
Where's Tommy Ten Jail Sentences at the moment?
Is he still in a South American country awaiting deportation complaining about being detained as an being for being an unwelcome alien? Or is he sitting on his butt in an expensive hotel somewhere on the money he conned off his gullibles?
Yes, I know what Churchill said about Satan during World War Two. That was one of the rare exceptions. One of our problems as a nation is we insist on drawing the wrong lessons from 1939-45.
"As news of the outrage spread, Gideon Sa’ar, the Israeli foreign affairs minister, issued a scathing statement blaming the British Government for allowing anti-Jewish hatred to take hold and flourish."
I have also mentioned earlier this week British Muslim women callers crying on LBC because they feel unsafe when the fanbois of Farage and Yaxley-Lennon threaten and harass them to the point where they also want to leave the country because they feel unsafe. This isn't the country I love.
Lucy Connolly aside I believe I have identified a common denominator for this vile display of hatred. Both those Jewish people going about their business and Muslim people going about theirs are made to feel unsafe because of men, be they Jihadi men set on intifada or white racist men telling people of colour to "go home" in unparliamentary terms.
I don't believe Leon's excitable promotion on here of inflammatory anti Muslim narratives calms any troubled waters. He has an agenda, but the fact he has already received 15 likes for one of these posts (the first paragraph of which I can't disagree with a word of) and 9 likes for another suggests I might be in the minority.
It has been very calm on here on a sombre Yom Kippur until Leon decided he wanted to play to the gallery. Does Leon venting from the safety of his recently refurbished Regents Park flat really help us come to terms with the mindset of a lone wolf Jihadi bastard?
I quite like James Norton but he’s picking dogs to appear in recently. He seems to be channelling Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York in this one.
Those flying that flag do not consider it the "Hamas flag", FYI.
Anyone from that county would have been soaked in that nonsense, non-stop.
Just set up savings pot with your bank and top it up there.
In my view, ideally people would avoid protest that is even tangentially related immediately after such a crime, out of respect.
However, on balance, I decided that my view was it shouldn't be illegal unless the protest is of a kind that breaks existing laws. Because, again, I think that's a slippery slope towards changing rules for law abiding citizens in response to the actions of terrorists.
If existing laws are insufficient to prevent inciting violence then that's an entirely separate conversation that should be addressed.
It touches on the movement I have mentioned called the "New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)" , which is a "build the USA to be a society directed by our version of Christendom".
It's has a lot of clips of the leaders speaking their minds, and how their peculiar evangelicalism applies to politics, and their bizarre ideas about 'spiritual warfare in a political cause', and who believe Trump was "anointed by God". So they tolerated immorality and justified violence.
I'm fascinated that one of the protagonists is Kenneth Copeland, who was one of the originators of the Prosperity Gospel movement, starting in 1967. These guys stay around. His TV station took its audience from 55k to 32 million in 6 months on the back of the movement in 2020/2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJvtfB80vYU
I've largely sat it out this evening as I don't much want to add to them.
He'd be disgusted by some of the takes on here today.
He needs to get off Guido or whatever alt-right nut-shop he’s frequenting.
Would you believe: spotted a pro-Palestinian protest outside Waverley station as I walked down North Bridge Street. On today of all days.
However.
There is a line.
Lone wolf attacker
Mental illness
But Gaza
Now we arrest people for offensive T-shirts. Progress, by progressives, eh?
Expect lots of spam to go with it, as that's presumably where the money comes from.
Its a a vile individual...that is probably a fair one given its come from the PM.,..
Now let us pray.
Our Penwarden, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come;
thy crankshaft sequence be done;
In Preston as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily cylinder cycle.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not to 4 stroke engine cycles;
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the prime mover,
the power and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.
Like that.
He didn't even go for the American Anti either but some weird concoction that sounded like a struggling Serie B team.
Honestly.
https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1973868332022464779?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
I thought the government's decision on Palestinian state recognition wrong but linking it to today's attack seems rather rash.
I watched about two minutes of Channel 4's news coverage and all I can say is that was enough.
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Hutton South (Brentwood) Council By-Election Result:
➡️ RFM: 45.8% (New)
🌳 CON: 30.9% (-14.5)
🌹 LAB: 13.3% (-14.5)
🔶 LDM: 6.2% (-9.6)
🌍 GRN: 3.8% (-7.2)
Reform GAIN from Conservative.
Changes w/ 2024.