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  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,498


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    Curious. There are loads of replies by, presumably, Reform fans triumphantly quoting the Tylenol manufacturer as saying that they don't recommend that any of their products be taken during pregnancy. But here:

    Tylenol maker Kenvue said Monday that it “strongly disagrees” that acetaminophen causes autism and said it is “deeply concerned about the health risks and confusion this poses for expecting mothers and parents.”

    “Acetaminophen is the safest pain reliever option for pregnant women as needed throughout their entire pregnancy,” the company said in a statement. “Without it, women face dangerous choices: suffer through conditions like fever that are potentially harmful to both mom and baby or use riskier alternatives. High fevers and pain are widely recognized as potential risks to a pregnancy if left untreated.”


    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/22/health/trump-autism-announcement-cause-tylenol

    So what gives? Change of mind? Fake tweets?
  • Adam Boulton on Sky

    Starmer is in big trouble

    I wouldn't have expected that from Boulton
  • isamisam Posts: 42,765


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    Paracetamol saved my life after having that first insane covid jab!
  • Adam Boulton on Sky

    Starmer is in big trouble

    I wouldn't have expected that from Boulton

    Why does he think so?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,570
    rcs1000 said:

    I thought there was an argument that fever is adaptive, and therefore you should let a fever burn hot. So an argument against taking paracetamol against fever, at least for adults.

    Your body gets hot because that rise in temperature might be enough to kill the virus/bacteria that have infected it.

    Unfortunately, the rate of evolution for viruses and bacteria is several orders of magnitude faster than for humans. This means that increasing your temperature is unlikely to kill the invaders, because those that were so easily dispatched did not get a chance to reproduce. Humans, though, still do it even though it hasn't worked for 50,000 years because the evolutionary disadvantage is so slight.
    It's a very complex subject, but the fact that it's widespread across the animal kingdom suggests it's evolutionary selected. Probably several mechanisms involved, not simply a raised temp killing pathogens.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 24
    Starmer gambles on ‘levelling up’-style initiative to tackle Reform threat

    Deprived areas of the UK will be given tens of millions of pounds each from a new fund that Keir Starmer hopes will help Labour tackle the threat posed by Reform UK.

    The prime minister will launch the regeneration initiative on Thursday, gambling that an updated version of “levelling up” will address anger about Britain’s broken communities.

    He will say the money will help “get rid of the boarded-up shops, shuttered youth clubs and crumbling parks that have become symbols of a system that stopped listening”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/starmer-gambles-on-levelling-up-style-initiative-to-tackle-reform-threat
  • TresTres Posts: 3,120
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    I really wish the British media would focus on the Russian shithousery than Charlie Kirk and Jimmy Kimmel.

    In that context, it’s worth noting that Kirk called Zelensky (not Putin) a “petulant child” who was “responsible for a million deaths”.
    In Kirk’s defence, while admitting it’s likely to be the worst thing he’s on record as saying, that was on the day of the first disasterous meeting between the two leaders in the White House, and he was joining in with a Twitter pile-on.

    I’ll keep defending Charlie Kirk on here, because he was at his heart a good man who didn’t deserve to suffer his fate, and that if we were all to be judged by our worst online comments then the world would not be a better place.
    He certainly didn’t deserve what happened to him.
    I make no judgment about whether he was good or bad as a person.
    The more you see of him, the more you see that he was a good person, genuinely engaged in the youth movement and willing to talk to anyone.
    sure, if you can skip the whole racist dog whistle stuff
  • isamisam Posts: 42,765
    edited September 24

    Adam Boulton on Sky

    Starmer is in big trouble

    I wouldn't have expected that from Boulton

    Why does he think so?
    The videos from the Labour leadership election show Starmer being very evasive as to who financed his campaign. The other candidates published donors names on the website before the vote, but Sir Keir didn’t, hiding behind ‘process’… quelle surprise

    https://x.com/timmyvoe/status/1970818915740926205?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://x.com/timmyvoe/status/1970837020680581129?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 24
    isam said:

    Adam Boulton on Sky

    Starmer is in big trouble

    I wouldn't have expected that from Boulton

    Why does he think so?
    The videos from the Labour leadership election show Starmer being very evasive as to who financed his campaign. The other candidates published donors names on the website before the vote, but Sir Keir didn’t, hiding behind ‘process’… quelle surprise

    https://x.com/timmyvoe/status/1970818915740926205?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://x.com/timmyvoe/status/1970837020680581129?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    Waiting for the it never crossed my desk...Starmer always trends the line of the letter of the process, but not the spirit.

    The media got distracted very quickly from the lack of process over Mandelson.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,104

    Starmer gambles on ‘levelling up’-style initiative to tackle Reform threat

    Deprived areas of the UK will be given tens of millions of pounds each from a new fund that Keir Starmer hopes will help Labour tackle the threat posed by Reform UK.

    The prime minister will launch the regeneration initiative on Thursday, gambling that an updated version of “levelling up” will address anger about Britain’s broken communities.

    He will say the money will help “get rid of the boarded-up shops, shuttered youth clubs and crumbling parks that have become symbols of a system that stopped listening”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/starmer-gambles-on-levelling-up-style-initiative-to-tackle-reform-threat

    Needs to be thousands of millions.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    edited September 24
    Thetford Castle is a Reform gain, Labour clear in second, Con a very poir third and LDs bottom but make 10% which us fair for Thetford

    https://x.com/BreckElections/status/1970972909028970696?t=WNrQIubkxHQY3aHttqFExQ&s=19

    Ref 47%
    Lab 26%
    Con 15%
    LD 11%
  • Adam Boulton on Sky

    Starmer is in big trouble

    I wouldn't have expected that from Boulton

    Why does he think so?
    He was on the paper review and both he and his colleague both agreed largely over Burnham's intervention
  • Eabhal said:

    Starmer gambles on ‘levelling up’-style initiative to tackle Reform threat

    Deprived areas of the UK will be given tens of millions of pounds each from a new fund that Keir Starmer hopes will help Labour tackle the threat posed by Reform UK.

    The prime minister will launch the regeneration initiative on Thursday, gambling that an updated version of “levelling up” will address anger about Britain’s broken communities.

    He will say the money will help “get rid of the boarded-up shops, shuttered youth clubs and crumbling parks that have become symbols of a system that stopped listening”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/starmer-gambles-on-levelling-up-style-initiative-to-tackle-reform-threat

    Needs to be thousands of millions.
    Well and not wasted. There has been a lot of attention of the wastage during COVID on PPE etc, but I know of some scandalous uses "levelling up" money was spent that goes beyond the nonsense of stone chessboards without any chess pieces.
  • Eabhal said:

    Starmer gambles on ‘levelling up’-style initiative to tackle Reform threat

    Deprived areas of the UK will be given tens of millions of pounds each from a new fund that Keir Starmer hopes will help Labour tackle the threat posed by Reform UK.

    The prime minister will launch the regeneration initiative on Thursday, gambling that an updated version of “levelling up” will address anger about Britain’s broken communities.

    He will say the money will help “get rid of the boarded-up shops, shuttered youth clubs and crumbling parks that have become symbols of a system that stopped listening”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/starmer-gambles-on-levelling-up-style-initiative-to-tackle-reform-threat

    Needs to be thousands of millions.
    Starmer and labour promise the earth with all these announcements which means nothing without tangible evidence of progress which is years away if at all
  • moonshine said:

    Concerning B Johnson. I still hold him as the most likely next Tory PM. By some time in the next parliament, migration will be a solved problem. And the Boriswave will fall down the pecking order of concerns. Cakegate will be history into legend into myth by then.

    Reform’s fiscal contradictions might well then do for them. Not that Boris has a good record on this. But Labour’s will be 10x worse by then and they won’t be trusted. And the yellow peril will be as unserious as ever. I can only sigh with disappointment at the public utterances of their leadership and new gen MPs.

    It’s far from obvious where the tories find the new figure that can appeals across the spectrum and bring them back to government from what might be a low double digit base of MPs. Much excitement here on fresh skins like Katie Lam. Hmmm. I don’t think you need look beyond the guy that’s already done it, and has a burning desire to do it again.

    He’d start with some notable Reform defections from those that have lost faith in Farage / Tice. Probably in the red wall. And build from there.

    This scenario will be scoffed at I’m sure. But most underestimate the naked ambition of the man. And those that scoff loudest would have been those that said the same of Trump 4 years ago too.

    What on earth did you prompt ChatGPT with, for it to come up with that nonsense?
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,490

    Starmer gambles on ‘levelling up’-style initiative to tackle Reform threat

    Deprived areas of the UK will be given tens of millions of pounds each from a new fund that Keir Starmer hopes will help Labour tackle the threat posed by Reform UK.

    The prime minister will launch the regeneration initiative on Thursday, gambling that an updated version of “levelling up” will address anger about Britain’s broken communities.

    He will say the money will help “get rid of the boarded-up shops, shuttered youth clubs and crumbling parks that have become symbols of a system that stopped listening”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/starmer-gambles-on-levelling-up-style-initiative-to-tackle-reform-threat

    And where exactly is the cash coming from?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,765

    moonshine said:

    Concerning B Johnson. I still hold him as the most likely next Tory PM. By some time in the next parliament, migration will be a solved problem. And the Boriswave will fall down the pecking order of concerns. Cakegate will be history into legend into myth by then.

    Reform’s fiscal contradictions might well then do for them. Not that Boris has a good record on this. But Labour’s will be 10x worse by then and they won’t be trusted. And the yellow peril will be as unserious as ever. I can only sigh with disappointment at the public utterances of their leadership and new gen MPs.

    It’s far from obvious where the tories find the new figure that can appeals across the spectrum and bring them back to government from what might be a low double digit base of MPs. Much excitement here on fresh skins like Katie Lam. Hmmm. I don’t think you need look beyond the guy that’s already done it, and has a burning desire to do it again.

    He’d start with some notable Reform defections from those that have lost faith in Farage / Tice. Probably in the red wall. And build from there.

    This scenario will be scoffed at I’m sure. But most underestimate the naked ambition of the man. And those that scoff loudest would have been those that said the same of Trump 4 years ago too.

    What on earth did you prompt ChatGPT with, for it to come up with that nonsense?
    If he became PM again after managing to unite backers and opponents of his against him after his last disastrous spell in charge, it would be hard to argue he didn’t have some kind of special sauce!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,048
    edited September 24
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    In case any of you were wondering where I’ve been I’ve been Raptured! Happened last night. It’s lovely up here and I look forward to seeing 2 of you in person here in due course.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z6dbtcw

    I'm wondering if I want to spend eternity with a bunch of lawyers... 🙂
    Strangely, a common theme of movies about heaven and the afterlife is that its a bit of a bureaucracy, with added lawyers. See for example "A Matter of Life and Death" or even "Betelgeuse".

    I am sure that @DougSeal will be happy there with angels chucking mackerel at him all day, while he reclines on a cloud.
    According to Revelation, Heaven is a cube 1400miles to a side.

    Which raises the possibility that it was built by the Borg
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 24
    theProle said:

    Starmer gambles on ‘levelling up’-style initiative to tackle Reform threat

    Deprived areas of the UK will be given tens of millions of pounds each from a new fund that Keir Starmer hopes will help Labour tackle the threat posed by Reform UK.

    The prime minister will launch the regeneration initiative on Thursday, gambling that an updated version of “levelling up” will address anger about Britain’s broken communities.

    He will say the money will help “get rid of the boarded-up shops, shuttered youth clubs and crumbling parks that have become symbols of a system that stopped listening”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/starmer-gambles-on-levelling-up-style-initiative-to-tackle-reform-threat

    And where exactly is the cash coming from?
    Magic Money tree forest is alive and well. We will be getting the nonsense again about some tax rise that might raise £1bn being used for 87 new spending commitments.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,325


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
    ·
    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    Curious. There are loads of replies by, presumably, Reform fans triumphantly quoting the Tylenol manufacturer as saying that they don't recommend that any of their products be taken during pregnancy. But here:

    Tylenol maker Kenvue said Monday that it “strongly disagrees” that acetaminophen causes autism and said it is “deeply concerned about the health risks and confusion this poses for expecting mothers and parents.”

    “Acetaminophen is the safest pain reliever option for pregnant women as needed throughout their entire pregnancy,” the company said in a statement. “Without it, women face dangerous choices: suffer through conditions like fever that are potentially harmful to both mom and baby or use riskier alternatives. High fevers and pain are widely recognized as potential risks to a pregnancy if left untreated.”


    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/22/health/trump-autism-announcement-cause-tylenol

    So what gives? Change of mind? Fake tweets?
    Surely most people never get an illness that actually requires treating
  • nico67 said:

    This Burnham saga is beginning to grate on me . He failed miserably two times challenging for the leadership and seems to now think he can walk on water and is Labours saviour .

    Unless someone stands aside to provide him with a by-election chance then this paper talk is just nonsense .

    Burnham is not nonsense as much as you would want him to be, but a real threat to Starmer from within the labour membership and if Lucy Powell wins than a real and dangerous division is extremely likely

    He is a champion of the north and has considerable support within the movement

    Yeah, like you know all about relative support within "the movement.".
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361
    Am I the only person for whom paracetamol feels like it has never significantly lowered the level of any pain? I take it almost because I'm supposed to...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    edited September 24
    Breckland, Thetford Castle

    Ref gain from Lab

    Ref 512
    Lab 289
    Con 164
    LD 118

    Turnout 24.9%

    Ref 47.28% [new]
    Lab 26.69% [-15.78]
    Con 15.14% [-13.90]
    LD 10.90% [new]

    no No Description [previously 14.52%]
    no UKIP [previously 13.97%]
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921

    Andy_JS said:

    Talking of forces of Putin.

    The BBC really are useless.

    Nick Ferrari took down Farage on LBC with a gotcha that has Farage pleading the 5th as far as Trump's link between Paracetamol/ Tylenol and autism is concerned. Farage even denied science by suggesting scientists didn't realise how dangerous Thalidomide was until we realised it was, implying Trump may have a point about Paracetamol. It has been the top story on LBC all day.

    I was thus interested to see how BBC PM broached a clear error by Farage. The answer is it didn't. The story didn't make the programme, although they did find a New Statesman article that hints at a huge bust-up between Burnham and Starmer.

    So Farage f**** up and the BBC bury it.

    The Beeb seems to be paralysed. Rabbit meets cobra.
    The BBC are playing the long game. If they can help engineer a right wing dictatorship, they will be the state broadcaster and all the other broadcasters will be closed down. The licence fee will be increased to £1,984 per year.
    I think this may be the silliest comment I've ever read on PB, unless it's a joke.
    What do you think about the proposed price?
    I don't think that will be the price of a TV licence.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,325
    carnforth said:

    Am I the only person for whom paracetamol feels like it has never significantly lowered the level of any pain? I take it almost because I'm supposed to...

    Depends on the pain. If it's inflammatory (including headache) take ibuprofen
  • Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    carnforth said:

    Am I the only person for whom paracetamol feels like it has never significantly lowered the level of any pain? I take it almost because I'm supposed to...

    It works okay for me.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,765
    carnforth said:

    Am I the only person for whom paracetamol feels like it has never significantly lowered the level of any pain? I take it almost because I'm supposed to...

    When I felt really awful after the first covid jab, the worst I’d ever felt multiplied by 50,000, necking two paracetamol every four hours was like nectar from the Gods
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,490
    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 24
    theProle said:

    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
    I have some question how a recent arrival on a boat with nothing can afford 2 months vacation to Afghanistan along with a load of other European city breaks.....
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361
    theProle said:

    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
    But how do we know he went to Afghanistan? Unless we're going to ban people who went on the ferry to France.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 24
    Andy Burnham has said MPs have privately called on him to challenge Sir Keir Starmer to become prime minister.

    In the Telegraph the Manchester mayor, who is not currently an MP, said he was not "plotting to get back" to Westminster but in the interview he did not rule out running again for the leadership.

    "I stood twice to be leader of the Labour Party. And I think that tells you, doesn't it?"

    The mayor also told the Telegraph, external that Number 10 had created a "climate of fear" among some MPs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v1m873mjyo

    This #10 aren't very nice to their own team seems to be a recurring story.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,788
    carnforth said:

    theProle said:

    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
    But how do we know he went to Afghanistan? Unless we're going to ban people who went on the ferry to France.
    Why take the chance? If he took public transport, who knows where he could have ended up?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,813
    carnforth said:

    theProle said:

    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
    But how do we know he went to Afghanistan? Unless we're going to ban people who went on the ferry to France.
    Isn’t the story that he posted on social media about his holiday back to Kabul?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    theProle said:

    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
    But how do we know he went to Afghanistan? Unless we're going to ban people who went on the ferry to France.
    Why take the chance? If he took public transport, who knows where he could have ended up?
    I wouldn't wish Victoria Coach Station on anyone.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,361
    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    theProle said:

    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
    But how do we know he went to Afghanistan? Unless we're going to ban people who went on the ferry to France.
    Isn’t the story that he posted on social media about his holiday back to Kabul?
    What would be the proposed rule? Can't go back for how many years after asylum granted. Five? Ten? Until regime change?

    It's infuriating, I agree. But hard to legislate against.

    We do have a separate problem with people taking benefits, subletting their council flat, and living high on the hog in their home countries. But that's an enforcement issue, again. The legal scope for rescinding is slight.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,813
    carnforth said:

    RobD said:

    carnforth said:

    theProle said:

    carnforth said:

    Fury as Afghan dinghy migrant given asylum in UK goes on eight week HOLIDAY to ‘dangerous’ Afghanistan he’d fled

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36824629/uk-asylum-migrant-afghanistan-holiday/

    Unless we reinstate exit checks, not much we can do about this. Always possible to fly via a third country.
    We could decline to let him back in on the grounds that his asylum claim is evidently fraudulent?
    But how do we know he went to Afghanistan? Unless we're going to ban people who went on the ferry to France.
    Isn’t the story that he posted on social media about his holiday back to Kabul?
    What would be the proposed rule? Can't go back for how many years after asylum granted. Five? Ten? Until regime change?

    It's infuriating, I agree. But hard to legislate against.

    We do have a separate problem with people taking benefits, subletting their council flat, and living high on the hog in their home countries. But that's an enforcement issue, again. The legal scope for rescinding is slight.
    I assume his asylum application included a fear of persecution if he returned. Given he returned willingly for an extended period, it’s clear that was a lie.
  • carnforth said:

    Am I the only person for whom paracetamol feels like it has never significantly lowered the level of any pain? I take it almost because I'm supposed to...

    It never does anything for me on its own, I prefer to go to a chemist and get co-codamol (paracetamol + codeine) which works a lot better.

    I do find it darkly hilarious that paracetamol is available everywhere and widely recommended even though it's quite a dangerous drug if taken above the recommended dose, but add a little codeine and it's now behind the counter, 10x more expensive and the staff have to give you a spiel about not abusing it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921

    Andy Burnham has said MPs have privately called on him to challenge Sir Keir Starmer to become prime minister.

    In the Telegraph the Manchester mayor, who is not currently an MP, said he was not "plotting to get back" to Westminster but in the interview he did not rule out running again for the leadership.

    "I stood twice to be leader of the Labour Party. And I think that tells you, doesn't it?"

    The mayor also told the Telegraph, external that Number 10 had created a "climate of fear" among some MPs.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v1m873mjyo

    This #10 aren't very nice to their own team seems to be a recurring story.

    The problem is the only seat Labour could definitely hold in the Manchester area is probably Manchester Central and Lucy Powell isn't going anywhere.
  • Chapel Down has abandoned plans for a £32m winery after a slowdown in sales of English wine.

    The company announced on Wednesday that it would no longer build a massive winery east of Canterbury, citing a succession of delays in obtaining planning permission
  • South Park is back tonight. I am sure they won't have anything to say about past couple of weeks.
  • Starmer gambles on ‘levelling up’-style initiative to tackle Reform threat

    Deprived areas of the UK will be given tens of millions of pounds each from a new fund that Keir Starmer hopes will help Labour tackle the threat posed by Reform UK.

    The prime minister will launch the regeneration initiative on Thursday, gambling that an updated version of “levelling up” will address anger about Britain’s broken communities.

    He will say the money will help “get rid of the boarded-up shops, shuttered youth clubs and crumbling parks that have become symbols of a system that stopped listening”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/24/starmer-gambles-on-levelling-up-style-initiative-to-tackle-reform-threat

    Again, pb was ahead of the herd when it predicted the return of Boris Johnson, even though some posters possibly meant the man himself rather than his policies. #ClassicDom.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    Isn't it interesting how things that used to be regarded as cheerful are now regarded as a nuisance? For example in the 80s and 90s young people used to walk around with ghetto blasters on public transport and most people had a fairly happy attitude towards the music they were playing, but now it's a bad thing if people play music publicly.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,048
    Andy_JS said:

    Isn't it interesting how things that used to be regarded as cheerful are now regarded as a nuisance? For example in the 80s and 90s young people used to walk around with ghetto blasters on public transport and most people had a fairly happy attitude towards the music they were playing, but now it's a bad thing if people play music publicly.

    If I understand the historical document "Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home" correctly, the playing of loud music by a ghetto blaster on a bus is greeted by a Vulcan nerve pinch, unconsciousness and applause from the rest of the bus.

    (It's the one with the whales, Andy)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    Thanks for the replies.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    edited September 25
    Seems like Andy Burnham really is going for it.

    "Andy Burnham attacks ‘divisive’ Keir Starmer before Labour conference" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-labour-conference-2025-cl3fh26vh


    "Keir Starmer’s Kevin Keegan moment
    What if the prime minister just quits?"

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/09/24/keir-starmers-kevin-keegan-moment
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,226
    edited September 25
    Looks like paracetamol use in pregnancy correlates with ADHD, autism and intellectual disability; sibling analysis - which I guess is the closest thing to double blinding a pregnancy trial suggests this is because of the underlying factors involved in taking paracetamol.
    As an aside, drug use during pregnancy seems under researched generally
  • rcs1000 said:

    Chapel Down has abandoned plans for a £32m winery after a slowdown in sales of English wine.

    The company announced on Wednesday that it would no longer build a massive winery east of Canterbury, citing a succession of delays in obtaining planning permission

    Probably because @Leon is on the ozempic and isn't drinking so much any more.
    I predict another impassioned diatribe directed at Starmer from Leon Llewelyn-Bowen.

    ‘The bastard has killed English fizz!’
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 25
    Anybody concerned that South Park might have been neutered or self censoring.....they went for head of FCC and Israel.....
  • Andy_JS said:

    Isn't it interesting how things that used to be regarded as cheerful are now regarded as a nuisance? For example in the 80s and 90s young people used to walk around with ghetto blasters on public transport and most people had a fairly happy attitude towards the music they were playing, but now it's a bad thing if people play music publicly.

    I suspect if you go back throughout history, as people age 3-4 decades, especially men, they have always started regarding things they found cheerful earlier on, a nuisance as they get older.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Isn't it interesting how things that used to be regarded as cheerful are now regarded as a nuisance? For example in the 80s and 90s young people used to walk around with ghetto blasters on public transport and most people had a fairly happy attitude towards the music they were playing, but now it's a bad thing if people play music publicly.

    I suspect if you go back throughout history, as people age 3-4 decades, especially men, they have always started regarding things they found cheerful earlier on, a nuisance as they get older.
    For a truly dreadful experience, public buses in Latin America. They must be some crazy laws there that restrict importation of headphones as no f##ker seems to ever have or use them.
  • The BBC stories on anti social behaviour in Southampton and asylum seeker taxis this week really showcase broken Britain and why Reform are doing well. We really have lost our common sense to bureaucracy and process. That is not just expensive but socially very damaging too.

    Farage and Reform won't fix any of it, and will probably make it worse, but unless Labour get radical and focused straight away we shall be in the hands of Farage and his billionaire friends soon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 25

    The BBC stories on anti social behaviour in Southampton and asylum seeker taxis this week really showcase broken Britain and why Reform are doing well. We really have lost our common sense to bureaucracy and process. That is not just expensive but socially very damaging too.

    Farage and Reform won't fix any of it, and will probably make it worse, but unless Labour get radical and focused straight away we shall be in the hands of Farage and his billionaire friends soon.

    Fraser Nelson and Co have charts to tell us we are all wrong. Never had it so good.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,677

    The BBC stories on anti social behaviour in Southampton and asylum seeker taxis this week really showcase broken Britain and why Reform are doing well. We really have lost our common sense to bureaucracy and process. That is not just expensive but socially very damaging too.

    Farage and Reform won't fix any of it, and will probably make it worse, but unless Labour get radical and focused straight away we shall be in the hands of Farage and his billionaire friends soon.

    Tik Tok* and the like appear to provide a platform to share these anti-social behaviour stories and provide encouragement. Family member who works at a provincial rail station comments that post-covid the behaviour, fare dodging, and general nihilist behaviour has increased. They are thinking of moving back out of the UK again if it doesn't get better.

    But how would a process state deal with this? Perhaps if they lower the voting age to 16, they could simultaneously match it to the age of criminal responsibility. Might make a few of them think twice.

    * Which version of Tik Tok will we get in the UK going forward. The Chinese version or the MAGA version?
  • I think back to the old Dom Jolly sketch with the massive mobile phone which would ring and he would have shout his side of the conversion.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,681
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like paracetamol use in pregnancy correlates with ADHD, autism and intellectual disability; sibling analysis - which I guess is the closest thing to double blinding a pregnancy trial suggests this is because of the underlying factors involved in taking paracetamol.
    As an aside, drug use during pregnancy seems under researched generally

    Links to credible research? I understood the Swedish mass study had found no correlations.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield
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    2h
    This is absolutely extraordinary. Reform going full crank on the paracetamol/autism stuff

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1970914176500629563


    The fact that Farage and co have spent the whole day effectively backing up Trump's ludicrous claims shows there can be no shred of doubt that they intend to govern as Trump 2.0 UK version. From DOGE to closing down the public health agencies.

    Curious. There are loads of replies by, presumably, Reform fans triumphantly quoting the Tylenol manufacturer as saying that they don't recommend that any of their products be taken during pregnancy. But here:

    Tylenol maker Kenvue said Monday that it “strongly disagrees” that acetaminophen causes autism and said it is “deeply concerned about the health risks and confusion this poses for expecting mothers and parents.”

    “Acetaminophen is the safest pain reliever option for pregnant women as needed throughout their entire pregnancy,” the company said in a statement. “Without it, women face dangerous choices: suffer through conditions like fever that are potentially harmful to both mom and baby or use riskier alternatives. High fevers and pain are widely recognized as potential risks to a pregnancy if left untreated.”


    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/22/health/trump-autism-announcement-cause-tylenol

    So what gives? Change of mind? Fake tweets?
    Surely most people never get an illness that actually requires treating
    And where it causes a problem is daily use for 4 weeks…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,827
    Donald Trump is going to have one of his former beauty pageant contestants indict his former FBI Director and the current NY Attorney General.
    https://x.com/jimstewartson/status/1970991733367607605

    All the best lawyers.
    She'll probably end up being appointed to the Supreme Court.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167
    carnforth said:

    Am I the only person for whom paracetamol feels like it has never significantly lowered the level of any pain? I take it almost because I'm supposed to...

    codeine works for me
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Talking of forces of Putin.

    The BBC really are useless.

    Nick Ferrari took down Farage on LBC with a gotcha that has Farage pleading the 5th as far as Trump's link between Paracetamol/ Tylenol and autism is concerned. Farage even denied science by suggesting scientists didn't realise how dangerous Thalidomide was until we realised it was, implying Trump may have a point about Paracetamol. It has been the top story on LBC all day.

    I was thus interested to see how BBC PM broached a clear error by Farage. The answer is it didn't. The story didn't make the programme, although they did find a New Statesman article that hints at a huge bust-up between Burnham and Starmer.

    So Farage f**** up and the BBC bury it.

    The Beeb seems to be paralysed. Rabbit meets cobra.
    The BBC are playing the long game. If they can help engineer a right wing dictatorship, they will be the state broadcaster and all the other broadcasters will be closed down. The licence fee will be increased to £1,984 per year.
    I think this may be the silliest comment I've ever read on PB, unless it's a joke.
    What do you think about the proposed price?
    I don't think that will be the price of a TV licence.
    It was a comment about an right wing dictatorship clearly referring Orwell’s 1984… 💁
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,886
    Have the BBC reported the Farage-Trump axis of autism yet? Or are they still focusing on Burnham's bid for the premiership?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,167
    Dopermean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like paracetamol use in pregnancy correlates with ADHD, autism and intellectual disability; sibling analysis - which I guess is the closest thing to double blinding a pregnancy trial suggests this is because of the underlying factors involved in taking paracetamol.
    As an aside, drug use during pregnancy seems under researched generally

    Links to credible research? I understood the Swedish mass study had found no correlations.
    Association but not necessarily correlation.

    Basically someone who is taking paracetamol daily for 4 weeks is probably ill.

    (That said there is increasing scientific interest in the inflammatory cascade and the image that has on a whole range of issues)
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,262
    edited September 25

    rcs1000 said:

    Chapel Down has abandoned plans for a £32m winery after a slowdown in sales of English wine.

    The company announced on Wednesday that it would no longer build a massive winery east of Canterbury, citing a succession of delays in obtaining planning permission

    Probably because @Leon is on the ozempic and isn't drinking so much any more.
    I predict another impassioned diatribe directed at Starmer from Leon Llewelyn-Bowen.

    ‘The bastard has killed English fizz!’
    The reality of this story is a bit different. For reasons inexplicable to me, their planned development at Bridge (a few miles away from my vineyard) kept getting planning permission blocked. Not the only winery to have suffered aggressive nimbyism.

    The “slowdown in sales” is partially true. Chapel Down planned it to accommodate significant expansion, but the rate of growth has slowed a bit as the market digests massive increases in volume over the last few years. So slower growth rather than contraction.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,325

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Talking of forces of Putin.

    The BBC really are useless.

    Nick Ferrari took down Farage on LBC with a gotcha that has Farage pleading the 5th as far as Trump's link between Paracetamol/ Tylenol and autism is concerned. Farage even denied science by suggesting scientists didn't realise how dangerous Thalidomide was until we realised it was, implying Trump may have a point about Paracetamol. It has been the top story on LBC all day.

    I was thus interested to see how BBC PM broached a clear error by Farage. The answer is it didn't. The story didn't make the programme, although they did find a New Statesman article that hints at a huge bust-up between Burnham and Starmer.

    So Farage f**** up and the BBC bury it.

    The Beeb seems to be paralysed. Rabbit meets cobra.
    The BBC are playing the long game. If they can help engineer a right wing dictatorship, they will be the state broadcaster and all the other broadcasters will be closed down. The licence fee will be increased to £1,984 per year.
    I think this may be the silliest comment I've ever read on PB, unless it's a joke.
    What do you think about the proposed price?
    I don't think that will be the price of a TV licence.
    It was a comment about an right wing dictatorship clearly referring Orwell’s 1984… 💁
    Which was of course a left wing dictatorship
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,681
    Andy_JS said:

    Seems like Andy Burnham really is going for it.

    "Andy Burnham attacks ‘divisive’ Keir Starmer before Labour conference" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-labour-conference-2025-cl3fh26vh


    "Keir Starmer’s Kevin Keegan moment
    What if the prime minister just quits?"

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/09/24/keir-starmers-kevin-keegan-moment

    Burnham is a tedious useful idiot. As a minister under Brown, you'd have thought he might have picked up on how electorally successful continual backstabbing is...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,472

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Talking of forces of Putin.

    The BBC really are useless.

    Nick Ferrari took down Farage on LBC with a gotcha that has Farage pleading the 5th as far as Trump's link between Paracetamol/ Tylenol and autism is concerned. Farage even denied science by suggesting scientists didn't realise how dangerous Thalidomide was until we realised it was, implying Trump may have a point about Paracetamol. It has been the top story on LBC all day.

    I was thus interested to see how BBC PM broached a clear error by Farage. The answer is it didn't. The story didn't make the programme, although they did find a New Statesman article that hints at a huge bust-up between Burnham and Starmer.

    So Farage f**** up and the BBC bury it.

    The Beeb seems to be paralysed. Rabbit meets cobra.
    The BBC are playing the long game. If they can help engineer a right wing dictatorship, they will be the state broadcaster and all the other broadcasters will be closed down. The licence fee will be increased to £1,984 per year.
    I think this may be the silliest comment I've ever read on PB, unless it's a joke.
    What do you think about the proposed price?
    I don't think that will be the price of a TV licence.
    It was a comment about an right wing dictatorship clearly referring Orwell’s 1984… 💁
    Which was of course a left wing dictatorship
    Was it?

    I remember IngSoc was the claimed ideology, but I don't recall The Party having much in the way of ideology or economic programme. Indeed it took very little interest in the proles.

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,677
    "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dr0zrr1kpo
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,044
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Seems like Andy Burnham really is going for it.

    "Andy Burnham attacks ‘divisive’ Keir Starmer before Labour conference" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-labour-conference-2025-cl3fh26vh


    "Keir Starmer’s Kevin Keegan moment
    What if the prime minister just quits?"

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/09/24/keir-starmers-kevin-keegan-moment

    Burnham is a tedious useful idiot. As a minister under Brown, you'd have thought he might have picked up on how electorally successful continual backstabbing is...
    He doesn’t really have much choice. He either rolls the dice or gives up. He likely wont get another opportunity.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,886

    Have the BBC reported the Farage-Trump axis of autism yet? Or are they still focusing on Burnham's bid for the premiership?

    Just checked the BBC News website and no, nothing about how Chris Mason's favourite would-be Trump has tied himself up in knots over Paracetamolgate.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,067

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Seems like Andy Burnham really is going for it.

    "Andy Burnham attacks ‘divisive’ Keir Starmer before Labour conference" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-labour-conference-2025-cl3fh26vh


    "Keir Starmer’s Kevin Keegan moment
    What if the prime minister just quits?"

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/09/24/keir-starmers-kevin-keegan-moment

    Burnham is a tedious useful idiot. As a minister under Brown, you'd have thought he might have picked up on how electorally successful continual backstabbing is...
    He doesn’t really have much choice. He either rolls the dice or gives up. He likely wont get another opportunity.
    Ironically, Starmer’s unpopularity will probably make it easier for him to win any by-election, as voters will be well aware of why he is trying to get back into the House.
  • NEW THREAD

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,104
    edited September 25

    carnforth said:

    Am I the only person for whom paracetamol feels like it has never significantly lowered the level of any pain? I take it almost because I'm supposed to...

    codeine works for me
    Paracetemol certainly works for me. Does the trick while you wait for the MR team or helicopter to arrive.

    Codeine is much better but grim side-effects and the risk you get addicted. I got off it as quickly as I could, though that led to me being over-protective of my injury and extending the physiotherapy.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,547
    edited September 25
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Seems like Andy Burnham really is going for it.

    "Andy Burnham attacks ‘divisive’ Keir Starmer before Labour conference" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-labour-conference-2025-cl3fh26vh


    "Keir Starmer’s Kevin Keegan moment
    What if the prime minister just quits?"

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/09/24/keir-starmers-kevin-keegan-moment

    Burnham is a tedious useful idiot. As a minister under Brown, you'd have thought he might have picked up on how electorally successful continual backstabbing is...
    I was amused how the news was saying he was “on manoeuvres”, this is a dirty great ticker tape parade with bands, dancing girls and circus elephants, not manoeuvres.

    They played his pitch from 10 years ago and it I sounded like one of those naff montages the BBC do whenever Wales are playing in a Six Nations match where it’s all fake portentous and emotional. As much as I dislike Starmer I think the vanity and emptiness of Nurnham is potentially much worse for the country.
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