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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921

    Andy_JS said:

    Scottish Westminster voting intention, FindOutNow

    Lab 30%
    Ref 23%
    Lab 15%
    Con 10%
    LD 9%
    Grn 6%
    Oth 5%

    https://x.com/OwenWntr/status/1970522583327285604

    Labour might be polling better in England than Scotland and Wales for the first time ever.

    Labour 1st and 3rd !!!!!
    Thanks for the correction. SNP 30%.
  • That LYING POS (aka DOPEY DONALD) promised he would SORT OUT the Ukraine/Russia War within TWENTY-FOUR HOURS! It's now full on EIGHT MONTHS since he took office, and the war IS STILL ONGOING! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    He is the stereotypical New Yorker.
    I know New Yorkers are often accused of being rude . I found them okay . Manhattan is marvellous as you can barely find a Trump supporter !
  • Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that rudeness, for lack of a better word, is good. Rudeness is right, rudeness works. Rudeness clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Rudeness in all of its forms. Rudeness in life, money, love, knowledge, has marked the upward surge of Trump, and rudeness – you mark my words – will not only save Aberdonian hotels, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the U.S.A.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,326
    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I'm not sure that a UK population of 86m should be considered desirable.
    I've seen The Economist in the past argue for 100m and suggest any cultural problems it causes could be solved by English lessons.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 23
    nico67 said:

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    He is the stereotypical New Yorker.
    I know New Yorkers are often accused of being rude . I found them okay . Manhattan is marvellous as you can barely find a Trump supporter !
    I added a clarification. Its not all, but the city does breed a class of people that watched Wolf of Wall Street and said he that bloke is too tame. Everything is defined by how much money you make and they aren't shy to tell you are every f##king opportunity.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,691

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Well, it's first time out for the life support system. It's never flown in space before.

    It's the first time out for this version of the heat shield. The spacecraft will be flying an adjusted trajectory to see if that mitigates the high and uneven erosion of the heat shield on the previous test flight.

    There's a whole bunch of other firsts as well.
    It'll still be safer than Starship will be for many years... ;)
    We shall see


    Firstly, there are lots and lots of piccies of SH/SS with damage and exploding.

    Secondly, be careful not to give the impression you want a crewed SLS mission to fail, just because you're on Team SS.

    Thirdly, I really don't see SS being man-rated for earth landings in the near future. Do you?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,691
    scampi25 said:

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Do we call moon dwellers "moonies" or "lunatics"?
    Nutters. :)
  • scampi25 said:

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Do we call moon dwellers "moonies" or "lunatics"?
    Nutters. :)
    "Everybody knows the moon is made of cheese!"
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,913

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that rudeness, for lack of a better word, is good. Rudeness is right, rudeness works. Rudeness clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Rudeness in all of its forms. Rudeness in life, money, love, knowledge, has marked the upward surge of Trump, and rudeness – you mark my words – will not only save Aberdonian hotels, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the U.S.A.
    Bollocks...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,842
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    Blame @glw for asking us all to think of someone dumb.
    If you want to obsess about me even more, I am just off to the Groucho to drink with the MI6 dude

    If you press your forlorn faces to the windows hard enough, you might even glimpse me. Clearly they won't let you in
    I'll be there on Friday evening.
    I am intrigued about who Leon has met on the M16, and how has it progressed to wining and dining so quickly?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,326
    Andy_JS said:

    William Hague has written yet another article in the Times with which I totally disagree, this time on ID cards. Funny to think he was in favour of "saving the pound" in 2001 when I happened to be in favour of adopting the Euro.

    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/arguments-against-digital-id-are-paper-thin-s3ls8zx25

    Somewhere along the way, Hague totally broke his duck.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,041

    scampi25 said:

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Do we call moon dwellers "moonies" or "lunatics"?
    Nutters. :)
    "Everybody knows the moon is made of cheese!"
    Quite right - so the 'jammy off-planeter' insults really take the biscuit.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,041

    That LYING POS (aka DOPEY DONALD) promised he would SORT OUT the Ukraine/Russia War within TWENTY-FOUR HOURS! It's now full on EIGHT MONTHS since he took office, and the war IS STILL ONGOING! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!!

    To be fair he didn't say which 24 hours.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476

    nico67 said:

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    He is the stereotypical New Yorker.
    I know New Yorkers are often accused of being rude . I found them okay . Manhattan is marvellous as you can barely find a Trump supporter !
    I added a clarification. Its not all, but the city does breed a class of people that watched Wolf of Wall Street and said he that bloke is too tame. Everything is defined by how much money you make and they aren't shy to tell you are every f##king opportunity.
    That is a general American trait , thankfully Brits are much more classy !
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,233
    I feel really sorry for the translators at the UN. How do they render Trump in Urdu or Hungarian - indeed in English.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 23
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    He is the stereotypical New Yorker.
    I know New Yorkers are often accused of being rude . I found them okay . Manhattan is marvellous as you can barely find a Trump supporter !
    I added a clarification. Its not all, but the city does breed a class of people that watched Wolf of Wall Street and said he that bloke is too tame. Everything is defined by how much money you make and they aren't shy to tell you are every f##king opportunity.
    That is a general American trait , thankfully Brits are much more classy !
    Yes and no. It is much more common in the US than UK, but I have found NYC to particularly egregious for these class-less loud rude loooooooadssss of money down the plebs types. They are much more uncommon in the south (Miami excluded) or mid-west. Even Boston down the road, people really love to play up I have been successful, but overdo the humble Irish working class backgrounds that they definitely still in touch with the community.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,226

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Well, it's first time out for the life support system. It's never flown in space before.

    It's the first time out for this version of the heat shield. The spacecraft will be flying an adjusted trajectory to see if that mitigates the high and uneven erosion of the heat shield on the previous test flight.

    There's a whole bunch of other firsts as well.
    It'll still be safer than Starship will be for many years... ;)
    We shall see


    Firstly, there are lots and lots of piccies of SH/SS with damage and exploding.

    Secondly, be careful not to give the impression you want a crewed SLS mission to fail, just because you're on Team SS.

    Thirdly, I really don't see SS being man-rated for earth landings in the near future. Do you?
    A way to go yet, but ay least Musk is getting on with it. One of the good things about his other rocket - Falcon is it's done so many missions the crash odds are a statistical reality rather than a computer model extrapolation
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    edited September 23
    Labour polling 14% in Wales, 15% in Scotland, 20% overall. Interesting change from the way it used to be. The party's vote holding up in London must be one of the main explanations.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,281
    viewcode said:

    I can only assume that Jacob Rees-Mogg, who is many things but (probably) not stupid, was taking the piss here.

    It reminds me of the legend that No Way by Vanilla in the 1990s was a bet between the music execs to see what the worst song they could get in the charts was.

    JRM over a claret: “oh yes the telegraph will publish any old sh!t, I bet they’ll even publish an article explaining how Trump will become prime minister”.

    https://www.cantstopthepop.com/2023/04/24/vanilla-no-way-no-way/
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,328
    slade said:

    I feel really sorry for the translators at the UN. How do they render Trump in Urdu or Hungarian - indeed in English.

    "kaka... Kaka... Kaka... Kaka..."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 23

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    He is the stereotypical New Yorker.
    I know New Yorkers are often accused of being rude . I found them okay . Manhattan is marvellous as you can barely find a Trump supporter !
    I added a clarification. Its not all, but the city does breed a class of people that watched Wolf of Wall Street and said he that bloke is too tame. Everything is defined by how much money you make and they aren't shy to tell you are every f##king opportunity.
    That is a general American trait , thankfully Brits are much more classy !
    Yes and no. It is much more common in the US than UK, but I have found NYC to particularly egregious for these class-less loud rude loooooooadssss of money down the plebs types. They are much more uncommon in the south (Miami excluded) or mid-west. Even Boston down the road, people really love to play up I have been successful, but overdo the humble Irish working class backgrounds that they definitely still in touch with the community.
    Pacific North West doesn't really go for the Wolf of Wall Street types at all.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,328

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
    We don't have a system that can only function with a growing population. (Even if we did, not every such system constitutes a Ponzi scheme, which is a specific sort of fraudulent financial scheme.)

    But, hey, if you want to bring down capitalism, go for it.
    To an extent we do: as the population grows older and the dependency ratio worsens the cost of paying for pensions + NHS + welfare is beyond the capabilities of the working age population.

    The government could cut spending / voters could amend their expectations. But instead the government has chosen to import more people without factoring in the long term cost.

    That’s a reasonable description of a Ponzi scheme
    Technically, it's only a Ponzi scheme if the life expectancy keeps growing, and therefore you need to keep importing ever growing numbers of people. Otherwise you're justy making up for a deficit of local births.
    Although, within reason, most would agree that an increasing life expectancy is a good thing
    I don't know about Big G, but I'm beginning to wonder!
    Having just turned 60, I am wondering how I am going to amuse myself for another 30 years or so. But I'm sitting in a bar in Montenegro drinking Baltic porter and listening to rock music, so that's a start
    For someone who is 81 the time flies by, and I always advise to follow your dreams as long as you can
    I think that's my plan. Christmas in Cambodia is my next project. April in Vietnam needs booking... probably when I get back from this trip
  • slade said:

    I feel really sorry for the translators at the UN. How do they render Trump in Urdu or Hungarian - indeed in English.

    As an Urdu speaker, you just say that 'ma chawd bowlray thati hay'.

    Which translates as 'that mother fucker is talking shit.'
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,049

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I'm not sure that a UK population of 86m should be considered desirable.
    I've seen The Economist in the past argue for 100m and suggest any cultural problems it causes could be solved by English lessons.
    ...and everybody breathing in and standing on tippy-toe
  • Oooh. I might be able to do a thread about stepmoms because I am aware of some stepmoms really love their stepsons.

    Wife of Trump cabinet secretary: Stepmoms are not “authentic,” children “inherited”

    Duffy: And then she tried to convince everybody that she was mamala when she actually inherited stepchildren… It just doesn't count. She is just not authentic.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1970521685075075431
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,041
    Pulpstar said:

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Well, it's first time out for the life support system. It's never flown in space before.

    It's the first time out for this version of the heat shield. The spacecraft will be flying an adjusted trajectory to see if that mitigates the high and uneven erosion of the heat shield on the previous test flight.

    There's a whole bunch of other firsts as well.
    It'll still be safer than Starship will be for many years... ;)
    We shall see


    Firstly, there are lots and lots of piccies of SH/SS with damage and exploding.

    Secondly, be careful not to give the impression you want a crewed SLS mission to fail, just because you're on Team SS.

    Thirdly, I really don't see SS being man-rated for earth landings in the near future. Do you?
    A way to go yet, but ay least Musk is getting on with it. One of the good things about his other rocket - Falcon is it's done so many missions the crash odds are a statistical reality rather than a computer model extrapolation
    Musk is a bit of a hero in terms of his space efforts. He's advancing knowledge at a similar rate to that which NASA did in the 1960s. I think its about the finest commitment to the future of humanity ever made by an individual. In which light I can forgive him for quite a lot.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    Although if he was polite it wouldn't make any difference to the disastrousness of his policies.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,281

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    So long as the immigrants don’t then become citizens and add to the Ponzi scheme…
    People being born, getting educated, going to work, having children of their own, and retiring is not a Ponzi scheme. It's how society works.
    If a system can only function with a growing population then I think it's fair to describe it as a Ponzi scheme.

    We might discover that this is true for capitalism in general.
    We don't have a system that can only function with a growing population. (Even if we did, not every such system constitutes a Ponzi scheme, which is a specific sort of fraudulent financial scheme.)

    But, hey, if you want to bring down capitalism, go for it.
    To an extent we do: as the population grows older and the dependency ratio worsens the cost of paying for pensions + NHS + welfare is beyond the capabilities of the working age population.

    The government could cut spending / voters could amend their expectations. But instead the government has chosen to import more people without factoring in the long term cost.

    That’s a reasonable description of a Ponzi scheme
    Technically, it's only a Ponzi scheme if the life expectancy keeps growing, and therefore you need to keep importing ever growing numbers of people. Otherwise you're justy making up for a deficit of local births.
    Although, within reason, most would agree that an increasing life expectancy is a good thing
    I don't know about Big G, but I'm beginning to wonder!
    Having just turned 60, I am wondering how I am going to amuse myself for another 30 years or so. But I'm sitting in a bar in Montenegro drinking Baltic porter and listening to rock music, so that's a start
    For someone who is 81 the time flies by, and I always advise to follow your dreams as long as you can
    I think that's my plan. Christmas in Cambodia is my next project. April in Vietnam needs booking... probably when I get back from this trip
    Great bar in Pnohm Penh called the Blue Dog
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,281
    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Well, it's first time out for the life support system. It's never flown in space before.

    It's the first time out for this version of the heat shield. The spacecraft will be flying an adjusted trajectory to see if that mitigates the high and uneven erosion of the heat shield on the previous test flight.

    There's a whole bunch of other firsts as well.
    It'll still be safer than Starship will be for many years... ;)
    We shall see


    Firstly, there are lots and lots of piccies of SH/SS with damage and exploding.

    Secondly, be careful not to give the impression you want a crewed SLS mission to fail, just because you're on Team SS.

    Thirdly, I really don't see SS being man-rated for earth landings in the near future. Do you?
    A way to go yet, but ay least Musk is getting on with it. One of the good things about his other rocket - Falcon is it's done so many missions the crash odds are a statistical reality rather than a computer model extrapolation
    Musk is a bit of a hero in terms of his space efforts. He's advancing knowledge at a similar rate to that which NASA did in the 1960s. I think its about the finest commitment to the future of humanity ever made by an individual. In which light I can forgive him for quite a lot.
    I wholeheartedly agree. The prior poster further up has an irritatingly childish attitude to Musk and the achievement of his companies.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,827
    edited September 23
    Evening, PB

    A hazard of state visits to would-be autocrats. I doubt Trump would have mentioned London so specifically if he hadn't been wined and dined here, so recently. A high price for Starmer to pay for those tech promises, in terms of stirring up domestic issues.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    Andy_JS said:

    Labour polling 14% in Wales, 15% in Scotland, 20% overall. Interesting change from the way it used to be. The party's vote holding up in London must be one of the main explanations.

    30% in London wont add much more than 1% to their overall average at best. They are just polling more in England than other 2 nations
    Their Westminster share was 18% in the recent poll of course
  • I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,403
    viewcode said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I'm not sure that a UK population of 86m should be considered desirable.
    I've seen The Economist in the past argue for 100m and suggest any cultural problems it causes could be solved by English lessons.
    ...and everybody breathing in and standing on tippy-toe
    We're going to be at 72 million by 2032 (if current projections are accurate).

    There's room for 100 million - there are 42,680 per sq mile in Tower Hamlets and in my neck of the woods (Newham) it's 25,660 per square mile in Newham while West Devon has 130. The area of West Devon is 448 square miles so to have the same density as Newham it would have a population of 12 million while it has 58,000 so accommodating 100 million wouldn't in theory be a problem.

    I'm NOT advocating it - simply there's room.

    Bangladesh has 170 million people in a country whose area is not much larger than England.
  • Has modern football adopted the Allardyce playbook?

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cd9ykn45xz2o

    No tippy tappy football....

    One of the lesser known thing is how far ahead Big Sam was with analytics. I think it was Opta (or another one of the early football analytical firms) said they couldn't get any top tier client at the time and would have gone bust if Big Sam hadn't bought into using their services and it was a springboard to how the game changed with regards to use of data.
  • I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Well they have their conference coming up.....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,216

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    What a shame we don't have a Blair anymore. Starmer's grovelling is depressing. Blair would have had the wit and wisdom to deal with the rude and pompous old crank.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour polling 14% in Wales, 15% in Scotland, 20% overall. Interesting change from the way it used to be. The party's vote holding up in London must be one of the main explanations.

    30% in London wont add much more than 1% to their overall average at best. They are just polling more in England than other 2 nations
    Their Westminster share was 18% in the recent poll of course
    Welsh westminster share i mean
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    A variety of combinations are possible in isolation but the overall picture is completely unchanged since the Locals in May
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,821

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I see I am mentioned four times on this thread, and I've not even commented

    It's very flattering that you all obsess so much, but perhaps the PB Centrist Dorks need to get out a bit? Just a kindly thought

    Blame @glw for asking us all to think of someone dumb.
    If you want to obsess about me even more, I am just off to the Groucho to drink with the MI6 dude

    If you press your forlorn faces to the windows hard enough, you might even glimpse me. Clearly they won't let you in
    I'll be there on Friday evening.
    I am intrigued about who Leon has met on the M16, and how has it progressed to wining and dining so quickly?
    I'm sure I could find ways to get on a watch list, but the whole Centrist Dad thing is a bit of an inhibitor to wanting to do that.

    Maybe just wait for fascism and I'll elicit more attention then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,310

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales

    The struggle is real
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476
    Will Your or Our or whatever the party is called be fielding candidates at next years May elections ?

    That could turn a bad night for Labour into a complete disaster of epic proportions.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,049

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Well they have their conference coming up.....
    Badenoch: return to your constituencies, and PREPARE FOR GOVERNMENT
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,691
    moonshine said:

    Omnium said:

    Pulpstar said:

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Well, it's first time out for the life support system. It's never flown in space before.

    It's the first time out for this version of the heat shield. The spacecraft will be flying an adjusted trajectory to see if that mitigates the high and uneven erosion of the heat shield on the previous test flight.

    There's a whole bunch of other firsts as well.
    It'll still be safer than Starship will be for many years... ;)
    We shall see


    Firstly, there are lots and lots of piccies of SH/SS with damage and exploding.

    Secondly, be careful not to give the impression you want a crewed SLS mission to fail, just because you're on Team SS.

    Thirdly, I really don't see SS being man-rated for earth landings in the near future. Do you?
    A way to go yet, but ay least Musk is getting on with it. One of the good things about his other rocket - Falcon is it's done so many missions the crash odds are a statistical reality rather than a computer model extrapolation
    Musk is a bit of a hero in terms of his space efforts. He's advancing knowledge at a similar rate to that which NASA did in the 1960s. I think its about the finest commitment to the future of humanity ever made by an individual. In which light I can forgive him for quite a lot.
    I wholeheartedly agree. The prior poster further up has an irritatingly childish attitude to Musk and the achievement of his companies.
    I admire what SpaceX has done, but SH/SS is nowhere near where Musk promised in terms of time and capability. Tesla has not delivered what it promised wrt self-driving - nowhere near.

    And as for Musk himself: there is little positive to be said about him personally. You just need to look at what he said to Tommy's march to see some evidence of that.

    I do not have a 'childish' attitude towards Musk. I have an realistic attitude.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,331
    One for Ed Davey.

    As he said in his speech today. Farage and Reform are the Trump party:



    Darren Grimes
    @darrengrimes_

    “If you don’t get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail.”

    Absolutely love watching Donald put the fear of God into the UN consensus.

    https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1970502738766430456

    ====

    For those who don't know this eager young beaver: he's on the Reform Board and a councillor in Durhamshire.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,691
    edited September 23
    Pulpstar said:

    More depressing news:

    "Nasa has said it hopes to send astronauts on a trip around the Moon as soon as February to prepare for landing there as early as 2027.... The Artemis II mission is the second launch of the Artemis programme, whose aim is to land astronauts and eventually establish a long-term presence on the lunar surface."

    Cool! I hope it'll be a safe mission.
    Well, it's first time out for the life support system. It's never flown in space before.

    It's the first time out for this version of the heat shield. The spacecraft will be flying an adjusted trajectory to see if that mitigates the high and uneven erosion of the heat shield on the previous test flight.

    There's a whole bunch of other firsts as well.
    It'll still be safer than Starship will be for many years... ;)
    We shall see


    Firstly, there are lots and lots of piccies of SH/SS with damage and exploding.

    Secondly, be careful not to give the impression you want a crewed SLS mission to fail, just because you're on Team SS.

    Thirdly, I really don't see SS being man-rated for earth landings in the near future. Do you?
    A way to go yet, but ay least Musk is getting on with it. One of the good things about his other rocket - Falcon is it's done so many missions the crash odds are a statistical reality rather than a computer model extrapolation
    The problem is SH/SS is late, and allegedly is nowhere near the payload capability they wanted and promised. Which may prove problematic in the near future.

    Edit: that's just *some* of the problems.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    nico67 said:

    Will Your or Our or whatever the party is called be fielding candidates at next years May elections ?

    That could turn a bad night for Labour into a complete disaster of epic proportions.

    If they manage to actually avoid self destruction they plan to
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,200

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?

    Drongo is a word I have not heard for a few years.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,603

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    They should get a small bounce at conference when Kemi announces she would leave the ECHR
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,921
    edited September 23

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476

    One for Ed Davey.

    As he said in his speech today. Farage and Reform are the Trump party:



    Darren Grimes
    @darrengrimes_

    “If you don’t get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail.”

    Absolutely love watching Donald put the fear of God into the UN consensus.

    https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1970502738766430456

    ====

    For those who don't know this eager young beaver: he's on the Reform Board and a councillor in Durhamshire.

    He’s a total moron . Reform would fellate Trump even if he threatened to nuke the country .
  • The question is whom.....I imagine there are a fair few suspects.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    700 grand also seems potentially a little more serious than being smutty about Diane in WhatsApps
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 23
    BBC News - TV stations refuse to air 'insensitive' Kimmel's show after ABC lifts suspension
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4j0zldevyo

    Sinclair and Nexstar won't carry his show. Wonder how many of the 1 million (150k in key demographic) that watch are via these affiliates?

    I saw it somewhere his contract is up next year. Wonder if they will renew it?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
    Everything is very flat atm, most likely boost if she gets one this year will come via the Budget and response. Or a currently unseen Reform collapse of any magnitude would benefit them, as would crossover with Labour in a series of polls filtering into the narrative
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,041
    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
    Wasn't Major termed the quiet man, and turned things around. Kemi is perhaps the quiet lady and may do so as well. She's certainly improving.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,499
    I'm sorry to say I think Rees-Mogg might actually be serious here. These people are so ensconced in their own little bubble that not only are they convinced that Trump is benign, adorable and infinitely wise but they assume everyone else on earth shares that view. That Trump should rule us seems so uncontroversial that the only things left to consider are the mechanisms by which this can be achieved and whether he'd be gracious enough to do it. They literally perceive Trump as a divine being.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    Omnium said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
    Wasn't Major termed the quiet man, and turned things around. Kemi is perhaps the quiet lady and may do so as well. She's certainly improving.
    IDS was the quiet man, Major was portrayed as grey
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    edited September 23

    The question is whom.....I imagine there are a fair few suspects.
    Kristin Shepherd (for the oldies)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,366
    stodge said:

    viewcode said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, research from Eurostat and the ONS in the Guardian:


    I'm not sure that a UK population of 86m should be considered desirable.
    I've seen The Economist in the past argue for 100m and suggest any cultural problems it causes could be solved by English lessons.
    ...and everybody breathing in and standing on tippy-toe
    We're going to be at 72 million by 2032 (if current projections are accurate).

    There's room for 100 million - there are 42,680 per sq mile in Tower Hamlets and in my neck of the woods (Newham) it's 25,660 per square mile in Newham while West Devon has 130. The area of West Devon is 448 square miles so to have the same density as Newham it would have a population of 12 million while it has 58,000 so accommodating 100 million wouldn't in theory be a problem.

    I'm NOT advocating it - simply there's room.

    Bangladesh has 170 million people in a country whose area is not much larger than England.
    Fewer deltas here too...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,278

    BBC News - TV stations refuse to air 'insensitive' Kimmel's show after ABC lifts suspension
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4j0zldevyo

    Sinclair and Nexstar won't carry his show. Wonder how many of the 1 million (150k in key demographic) that watch are via these affiliates?

    I saw it somewhere his contract is up next year. Wonder if they will renew it?

    Last week the online liberals were cancelling Disney subscriptions, and now the online conservatives are doing the same.

    Meanwhile the affiliaties are fed up of politically polarising content, plus what appear to be serious security threats to the stations themselves.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2025/09/19/abc-building-shooting/86251168007/
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,041

    Omnium said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
    Wasn't Major termed the quiet man, and turned things around. Kemi is perhaps the quiet lady and may do so as well. She's certainly improving.
    IDS was the quiet man, Major was portrayed as grey
    Oh yes. Perhaps not so great for Kemi then.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 23
    Sandpit said:

    BBC News - TV stations refuse to air 'insensitive' Kimmel's show after ABC lifts suspension
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4j0zldevyo

    Sinclair and Nexstar won't carry his show. Wonder how many of the 1 million (150k in key demographic) that watch are via these affiliates?

    I saw it somewhere his contract is up next year. Wonder if they will renew it?

    Last week the online liberals were cancelling Disney subscriptions, and now the online conservatives are doing the same.

    Meanwhile the affiliaties are fed up of politically polarising content, plus what appear to be serious security threats to the stations themselves.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2025/09/19/abc-building-shooting/86251168007/
    I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings are well up for the next while (which will be reported a big success), before slowly sinking back down again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,331
    MattW said:

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?

    Drongo is a word I have not heard for a few years.
    Common in my youth in Birmingham.

    Is it a Brummie word?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
    Wasn't Major termed the quiet man, and turned things around. Kemi is perhaps the quiet lady and may do so as well. She's certainly improving.
    IDS was the quiet man, Major was portrayed as grey
    Oh yes. Perhaps not so great for Kemi then.
    She'd settle for IDS's vote stickiness in his seat right now I think!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476

    I'm sorry to say I think Rees-Mogg might actually be serious here. These people are so ensconced in their own little bubble that not only are they convinced that Trump is benign, adorable and infinitely wise but they assume everyone else on earth shares that view. That Trump should rule us seems so uncontroversial that the only things left to consider are the mechanisms by which this can be achieved and whether he'd be gracious enough to do it. They literally perceive Trump as a divine being.

    The so called sovereignty warriors were a bunch of frauds . All that hysteria over the EU and they’d happily see the UK become the 51st state .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    Roger said:

    Listening to Trump at the UN, setting aside all the criticisms of his views, the thing that really does my head in is his rudeness. He has no manners, no grace, no civility. I know this is nothing new, as Zelensky would testify. But it matters, because it contributes significantly to the coarsening of political debate, both in the US and here, and stokes division.

    Call me old-fashioned, but our leaders should be setting a good example of manners, civility and polite debate and disagreement, and most manage it most of the time. Trump sets a horrific example, which to me is unforgivable in itself regardless of all the other stuff.

    What a shame we don't have a Blair anymore. Starmer's grovelling is depressing. Blair would have had the wit and wisdom to deal with the rude and pompous old crank.
    Yes. Look just how brilliantly he dealt with George W Bush...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,278

    Sandpit said:

    BBC News - TV stations refuse to air 'insensitive' Kimmel's show after ABC lifts suspension
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4j0zldevyo

    Sinclair and Nexstar won't carry his show. Wonder how many of the 1 million (150k in key demographic) that watch are via these affiliates?

    I saw it somewhere his contract is up next year. Wonder if they will renew it?

    Last week the online liberals were cancelling Disney subscriptions, and now the online conservatives are doing the same.

    Meanwhile the affiliaties are fed up of politically polarising content, plus what appear to be serious security threats to the stations themselves.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2025/09/19/abc-building-shooting/86251168007/
    I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings are well up for the next while (which will be reported a big success), before slowly sinking back down again.
    That might have been the case if half the affiliates hadn’t ‘pre-empted’ the show.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,041

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
    Wasn't Major termed the quiet man, and turned things around. Kemi is perhaps the quiet lady and may do so as well. She's certainly improving.
    IDS was the quiet man, Major was portrayed as grey
    Oh yes. Perhaps not so great for Kemi then.
    She'd settle for IDS's vote stickiness in his seat right now I think!
    Lets not get into such details.
  • ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    And Jacks has a broken finger....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463

    ydoethur - Two thoughts on Mitch McConnell's decision: First, he probably thought, as I did, that the Loser was finished in politics. (I think most informed Americans had come to that conclusion, after January 6th.) And, Trump, by then, was out of office.

    Second, he may not have been able to sway enough of his caucus to get a conviction. Remember, that requires a 2/3 majority. There were only 57 votes for conviction in the 2nd trial. (McConnell is good at counting votes in the Senate.)

    Yes, but one of the 43 who voted against was McConnell. Hard to imagine that another nine wouldn't have followed him if he had done what was right rather than what was expedient.
  • viewcode said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Well they have their conference coming up.....
    Badenoch: return to your constituencies, and PREPARE FOR GOVERNMENT
    Also Badenoch:
    The good news is that we're heading for government. The bad news is that it's as junior partners in a RefCon coalition.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,226
    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    Disappointed Ahmed hasn't got the nod tbh, his bowling in the hundred was generally excellent and looked like it would have carried over to tests.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,570

    MattW said:

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?

    Drongo is a word I have not heard for a few years.
    Common in my youth in Birmingham.

    Is it a Brummie word?
    Aussie, I think. Came over here via tea time Aussie soaps.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,483

    MattW said:

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?

    Drongo is a word I have not heard for a few years.
    Common in my youth in Birmingham.

    Is it a Brummie word?
    Adopted from Aussie soap opera I think.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    Telegraph now also covering the 700 grand cover up story.
    I suspect McSweeney will go fairly soon
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,570
    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    Odds on not to play, surely?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,570
    nico67 said:

    I'm sorry to say I think Rees-Mogg might actually be serious here. These people are so ensconced in their own little bubble that not only are they convinced that Trump is benign, adorable and infinitely wise but they assume everyone else on earth shares that view. That Trump should rule us seems so uncontroversial that the only things left to consider are the mechanisms by which this can be achieved and whether he'd be gracious enough to do it. They literally perceive Trump as a divine being.

    The so called sovereignty warriors were a bunch of frauds . All that hysteria over the EU and they’d happily see the UK become the 51st state .
    Which is what I don’t get about the SNP.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476

    Telegraph now also covering the 700 grand cover up story.
    I suspect McSweeney will go fairly soon

    Good riddance to him .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    Disappointed Ahmed hasn't got the nod tbh, his bowling in the hundred was generally excellent and looked like it would have carried over to tests.
    Yes. He would have been the best pick.

    But if not him, Leach, Parkinson, even Price are better red ball options than Jacks.

    Perhaps they are thinking his height might get him a bit more bounce on Aussie pitches, but he's hardly a giant at 6ft 1 and Shane Warne showed turn and guile mattered more than bounce in Australia anyway.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463

    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    Odds on not to play, surely?
    Then why take him at all?

    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    And Jacks has a broken finger....
    Will that make him bowl better?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,205
    edited September 23
    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    Disappointed Ahmed hasn't got the nod tbh, his bowling in the hundred was generally excellent and looked like it would have carried over to tests.
    Yes. He would have been the best pick.

    But if not him, Leach, Parkinson, even Price are better red ball options than Jacks.

    Perhaps they are thinking his height might get him a bit more bounce on Aussie pitches, but he's hardly a giant at 6ft 1 and Shane Warne showed turn and guile mattered more than bounce in Australia anyway.
    The only left arm bowling option they have picked across the whole squad is Bethell, and he is still very much a part timer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    Disappointed Ahmed hasn't got the nod tbh, his bowling in the hundred was generally excellent and looked like it would have carried over to tests.
    Yes. He would have been the best pick.

    But if not him, Leach, Parkinson, even Price are better red ball options than Jacks.

    Perhaps they are thinking his height might get him a bit more bounce on Aussie pitches, but he's hardly a giant at 6ft 1 and Shane Warne showed turn and guile mattered more than bounce in Australia anyway.
    The only left arm bowling option they have picked across the whole squad is Bethell, and he is still very much a part timer.
    Which is odd, because you would have thought Josh Hull might be a genuine threat in Australia.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    Could be worse, our bowling attack could be Fraser, Mulalley, Sailsbury and Malcolm with Chris Lewis as all rounder
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,326
    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't be astonished to see a poll soon showing the Tories in fifth place.

    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (21-22 Sep 2025)

    Reform: 29% (no change from 14-15 Sep)
    Lab: 21% (+1)
    Con: 16% (-1)
    Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
    Green: 12% (+2)
    SNP: 3% (=)


    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1970449019488084126

    Ironically Kemi is the best leader they've had since John Major imo. Hopefully she can do something to turn the situation around.
    Nah. For all his faults, that was David Cameron.
  • Telegraph now also covering the 700 grand cover up story.
    I suspect McSweeney will go fairly soon

    Won’t believe it until I see a blue tent at Schloss McSweeney.
  • Could be worse, our bowling attack could be Fraser, Mulalley, Sailsbury and Malcolm with Chris Lewis as all rounder

    That's fighting talk, Angus Fraser would have been one of England's all time greats if the schedule hadn't ruined him.

    He would have thrived under central contracts.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    England have axed Ollie Pope as their vice-captain for the Ashes and replaced him with Harry Brook while picking all-rounder Will Jacks as the second spinner.

    England’s selectors have named their squad for the Ashes, which begin on Nov 21 in Perth.

    Ben Stokes, who captains the squad, and Mark Wood are both passed fit in a 16-man party which also includes Matthew Potts at the expense of Chris Woakes, who was not considered because of the shoulder he dislocated against India at the Oval last month.

    Ben Stokes (Durham) captain, Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Shoaib Bashir (Somerset), Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire), Harry Brook (Yorkshire) vice-captain, Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Will Jacks (Surrey), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Josh Tongue (Nottinghamshire), Mark Wood (Durham).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/23/england-ashes-squad-harry-brook-vice-captain-will-jacks/

    Matthew f##king Potts....No clue what they see in him. No Livingstone or Bairstow for the ODI or T20. Think that is definitely their international careers finished if you can bully the hell out of the elite competition that is the Hundred and still not get picked.

    In the case of Potts, worth remembering many of us thought the same about Bresnan 15 years ago, and he played a crucial role in that win.

    As for Will Jacks as a spinner, just no. What were they thinking?
    Disappointed Ahmed hasn't got the nod tbh, his bowling in the hundred was generally excellent and looked like it would have carried over to tests.
    Yes. He would have been the best pick.

    But if not him, Leach, Parkinson, even Price are better red ball options than Jacks.

    Perhaps they are thinking his height might get him a bit more bounce on Aussie pitches, but he's hardly a giant at 6ft 1 and Shane Warne showed turn and guile mattered more than bounce in Australia anyway.
    The only left arm bowling option they have picked across the whole squad is Bethell, and he is still very much a part timer.
    Which is odd, because you would have thought Josh Hull might be a genuine threat in Australia.
    Carse and Tongue are a waste of time, Hull and Stone should be going (if fit)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,366

    Sandpit said:

    BBC News - TV stations refuse to air 'insensitive' Kimmel's show after ABC lifts suspension
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4j0zldevyo

    Sinclair and Nexstar won't carry his show. Wonder how many of the 1 million (150k in key demographic) that watch are via these affiliates?

    I saw it somewhere his contract is up next year. Wonder if they will renew it?

    Last week the online liberals were cancelling Disney subscriptions, and now the online conservatives are doing the same.

    Meanwhile the affiliaties are fed up of politically polarising content, plus what appear to be serious security threats to the stations themselves.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2025/09/19/abc-building-shooting/86251168007/
    I wouldn't be surprised if the ratings are well up for the next while (which will be reported a big success), before slowly sinking back down again.
    Late night's been on a 30 year down trend. David Letterman was getting lower numbers in 2000 at 11:30 than he used to get in 1990 at 12:30. At some point the $10-$30 million yearly salaries have to come under pressure.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,476

    nico67 said:

    I'm sorry to say I think Rees-Mogg might actually be serious here. These people are so ensconced in their own little bubble that not only are they convinced that Trump is benign, adorable and infinitely wise but they assume everyone else on earth shares that view. That Trump should rule us seems so uncontroversial that the only things left to consider are the mechanisms by which this can be achieved and whether he'd be gracious enough to do it. They literally perceive Trump as a divine being.

    The so called sovereignty warriors were a bunch of frauds . All that hysteria over the EU and they’d happily see the UK become the 51st state .
    Which is what I don’t get about the SNP.
    The SNP view the EU differently as they will be a country that has a veto in certain areas . And the relationship is one that they choose to have . I wouldn’t like to see the UK break up but understand why many Scots think they would be better off . A Reform government would see a huge increase in support for independence.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654

    Could be worse, our bowling attack could be Fraser, Mulalley, Sailsbury and Malcolm with Chris Lewis as all rounder

    That's fighting talk, Angus Fraser would have been one of England's all time greats if the schedule hadn't ruined him.

    He would have thrived under central contracts.
    He made WG Grace look athletic. Filthy carthorse
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,310

    MattW said:

    Can't get LBC in Mid Wales so have 5Live on. The utter drongo on now very, very critical of Davey. He is particularly annoyed that Davey mentioned Farage 30 times and Starmer not once, and that the BBC have given Farage a free ride for the last decade. A young guy, very angry with Davey, who is he?

    Drongo is a word I have not heard for a few years.
    Common in my youth in Birmingham.

    Is it a Brummie word?
    There was a punk band called The Drongos
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,463

    Could be worse, our bowling attack could be Fraser, Mulalley, Sailsbury and Malcolm with Chris Lewis as all rounder

    That's fighting talk, Angus Fraser would have been one of England's all time greats if the schedule hadn't ruined him.

    He would have thrived under central contracts.
    He made WG Grace look athletic. Filthy carthorse
    WG Grace was a champion hurdler in his youth.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,499
    ydoethur said:

    Could be worse, our bowling attack could be Fraser, Mulalley, Sailsbury and Malcolm with Chris Lewis as all rounder

    That's fighting talk, Angus Fraser would have been one of England's all time greats if the schedule hadn't ruined him.

    He would have thrived under central contracts.
    He made WG Grace look athletic. Filthy carthorse
    WG Grace was a champion hurdler in his youth.
    My dad knew someone who played against him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,331
    nico67 said:

    Telegraph now also covering the 700 grand cover up story.
    I suspect McSweeney will go fairly soon

    Good riddance to him .
    Maybe I dreamt it but I'm pretty sure this story about admin errors and electoral commission and £700k and Sweeney was doing the rounds months ago.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,654
    ydoethur said:

    Could be worse, our bowling attack could be Fraser, Mulalley, Sailsbury and Malcolm with Chris Lewis as all rounder

    That's fighting talk, Angus Fraser would have been one of England's all time greats if the schedule hadn't ruined him.

    He would have thrived under central contracts.
    He made WG Grace look athletic. Filthy carthorse
    WG Grace was a champion hurdler in his youth.
    Angus was the hurdle!
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