A number of MPs have had their offices attacked in recent months. I hope if they are caught they get the extra special harsh treatment, like the authorities stamp down hard on rioting, any attack on a politician / their offices etc, should carry similar extra penalties. It is incredibly important that they are protected even if I don't agree with them e.g. Jezza getting assaulted.
As I said, the left are on a roll of violence at the moment.
There’s a horribly plausible theory on X that says a foreign actor likely killed Kirk
Logic:
1 cui bono? No one in America, not really. This pushes the country closer to civil strife
2 the job looks extremely professional. State level lethality. A clever sniper who got clean away
Putin has made it clear he’s happy to kill people abroad and he’d love to see the USA sink into internecine violence. I expect Xi would be positive, too
Murdering Charlie Kirk could be the perfect trigger event to allow Trump to send armed militia into cities he dislikes and round up "radical liberals". Trump needs to impose martial law to scrap the mid terms. He benefits from this absolutely.
You cannot discount this being a false flag. Especially when MAGA immediately screams that the perp is liberal and demands vengeance. Everyone stopped talking about Epstein as well. Perfect.
Let's hope that doesn't happen, but there's no doubt that something needs to be done about serious crime in places like Chicago, which has a murder rate about 20 times that of London.
My posts upthread were not about PB obsessives, especially, but rather about the PM of the UK thinking that Charlie Kirk’s murder is materially important enough to be posted about.
What next, King Charles opining on “US Traitors”?
Charlie Kirk’s company ‘Turning Point’ would be quite closely associated with Farage’s Reform I would have thought. It was a vehicle to get youngsters on board with right wing politics. Starmer would have been a target for it, so a bit strange he felt the need to post. A bit like Trump commenting if the leader of momentum was murdered. Maybe he would, I don’t know
Yes but no but ...
Farage and Tice were at the launch in 2018.
But in the UK now the COO of TP is also the leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, so it's probably some way further out than Reform could officially tolerate at present. I'm sure there will be a few people from RefUK attached somewhere though.
Haven't looked it up, but PLEASE let it be Day Trip to Bangor.
I really want it to be "This Corrosion" or "Duel of the Fates". Both of which begin with a choir...
Looking at it, they composed a "Canticle of indignation", and sung it during administration of communion.
The choir sang a specially composed “Canticle of Indignation” as clergy distributed wafers and wine during communion. At the end of the piece, the choir silently walked out.
The canticle’s lyrics included “Lord, how long shall the ungodly triumph?” and “How long shall all wicked doers speak so disdainfully?”
Simon Ogdon, its author, wrote on Facebook that he was “honoured to be in the same position as #banksy in having my art publicly censured”. He added: “There is a long history of protest through art, even through church music … and I am proud to be part of that. One of the clearest signs of tyranny is its desire to silence dissent and opposition, and that can never be tolerated.”
The protest was staged after the cathedral announced that five out of eight members of staff were at risk of redundancy due to financial pressures. The music director’s hours were to be reduced, it said.
Aha. It's Psalm 94:1-11.
Which is not normally on the Canticle rota.
Doesn't have a drum solo in the middle either. Amateurs!
A number of MPs have had their offices attacked in recent months. I hope if they are caught they get the extra special harsh treatment, like the authorities stamp down hard on rioting, any attack on a politician / their offices etc, should carry similar extra penalties. It is incredibly important that they are protected even if I don't agree with them e.g. Jezza getting assaulted.
As I said, the left are on a roll of violence at the moment.
There’s a horribly plausible theory on X that says a foreign actor likely killed Kirk
Logic:
1 cui bono? No one in America, not really. This pushes the country closer to civil strife
2 the job looks extremely professional. State level lethality. A clever sniper who got clean away
Putin has made it clear he’s happy to kill people abroad and he’d love to see the USA sink into internecine violence. I expect Xi would be positive, too
Murdering Charlie Kirk could be the perfect trigger event to allow Trump to send armed militia into cities he dislikes and round up "radical liberals". Trump needs to impose martial law to scrap the mid terms. He benefits from this absolutely.
You cannot discount this being a false flag. Especially when MAGA immediately screams that the perp is liberal and demands vengeance. Everyone stopped talking about Epstein as well. Perfect.
Let's hope that doesn't happen, but there's no doubt that something needs to be done about serious crime in places like Chicago, which has a murder rate about 20 times that of London.
Oh Andy, and that demonstrates how relatively safe the UK is compared to the US.
You can compare Chicago with some red cities that are worse.
Remember that he isn’t a politician, there weren’t Secret Service everywhere and only half a dozen local police in attendance, mostly for crowd control. This was a guy famous for setting up a stand in the middle of a university and asking strangers to step up to the mic and debate him, which is exactly what he was doing yesterday. He was a relatively moderate conservative youth movement leader, who had been doing the same thing for the past decade, willing to discuss and debate with anyone on any subject.
He was conscious of the risk. His studio at his 'compound' was unmarked, for security reasons
Sadly almost anyone with a political platform in the US is acutely aware of the security considerations that come with being in a generally armed and polarised country. They’ve almost all had to put up with ‘swattings’ and low-level harassment at studios and locations.
My posts upthread were not about PB obsessives, especially, but rather about the PM of the UK thinking that Charlie Kirk’s murder is materially important enough to be posted about.
What next, King Charles opining on “US Traitors”?
Charlie Kirk’s company ‘Turning Point’ would be quite closely associated with Farage’s Reform I would have thought. It was a vehicle to get youngsters on board with right wing politics. Starmer would have been a target for it, so a bit strange he felt the need to post. A bit like Trump commenting if the leader of momentum was murdered. Maybe he would, I don’t know
Yes but no but ...
Farage and Tice were at the launch in 2018.
But in the UK now the COO of TP is also the leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, so it's probably some way further out than Reform could officially tolerate at present. I'm sure there will be a few people from RefUK attached somewhere though.
Remember that he isn’t a politician, there weren’t Secret Service everywhere and only half a dozen local police in attendance, mostly for crowd control. This was a guy famous for setting up a stand in the middle of a university and asking strangers to step up to the mic and debate him, which is exactly what he was doing yesterday. He was a relatively moderate conservative youth movement leader, who had been doing the same thing for the past decade, willing to discuss and debate with anyone on any subject.
He was conscious of the risk. His studio at his 'compound' was unmarked, for security reasons
Sadly almost anyone with a political platform in the US is acutely aware of the security considerations that come with being in a generally armed and polarised country. They’ve almost all had to put up with ‘swattings’ and low-level harassment at studios and locations.
My posts upthread were not about PB obsessives, especially, but rather about the PM of the UK thinking that Charlie Kirk’s murder is materially important enough to be posted about.
What next, King Charles opining on “US Traitors”?
Charlie Kirk’s company ‘Turning Point’ would be quite closely associated with Farage’s Reform I would have thought. It was a vehicle to get youngsters on board with right wing politics. Starmer would have been a target for it, so a bit strange he felt the need to post. A bit like Trump commenting if the leader of momentum was murdered. Maybe he would, I don’t know
Yes but no but ...
Farage and Tice were at the launch in 2018.
But in the UK now the COO of TP is also the leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, so it's probably some way further out than Reform could officially tolerate at present. I'm sure there will be a few people from RefUK attached somewhere though.
Convenient. Another lucky escape for the man for whom nothing ever crosses his desk. I mean its not like we have GCHQ, MI5, MI6, etc for checking out people. That dreaded old closed email account foils the spooks again.
Understand that the PM had *not* previously seen the emails with Epstein that emerged y'day. I'm told that info was not available at time of his appt as ambo - to PM or even to Mandelson - as they were from long-closed email address.
And Mandelson did not remember them ..... pull the other one!
There is far more to this scandal than meets the eye methinks. It was an extraordinary appointment to begin with, but given what the security services must have had to say, it is curious indeed that Starmer elevated him to this role.
A number of MPs have had their offices attacked in recent months. I hope if they are caught they get the extra special harsh treatment, like the authorities stamp down hard on rioting, any attack on a politician / their offices etc, should carry similar extra penalties. It is incredibly important that they are protected even if I don't agree with them e.g. Jezza getting assaulted.
As I said, the left are on a roll of violence at the moment.
There’s a horribly plausible theory on X that says a foreign actor likely killed Kirk
Logic:
1 cui bono? No one in America, not really. This pushes the country closer to civil strife
2 the job looks extremely professional. State level lethality. A clever sniper who got clean away
Putin has made it clear he’s happy to kill people abroad and he’d love to see the USA sink into internecine violence. I expect Xi would be positive, too
Murdering Charlie Kirk could be the perfect trigger event to allow Trump to send armed militia into cities he dislikes and round up "radical liberals". Trump needs to impose martial law to scrap the mid terms. He benefits from this absolutely.
You cannot discount this being a false flag. Especially when MAGA immediately screams that the perp is liberal and demands vengeance. Everyone stopped talking about Epstein as well. Perfect.
Let's hope that doesn't happen, but there's no doubt that something needs to be done about serious crime in places like Chicago, which has a murder rate about 20 times that of London.
But now a fraction that of a number of Republican-voting cities that don't seem to need the National Guard.
Ordinarily, I avoid anecdotes, but this one is so timely I have to mention it: Yesterday evening, a couple of Jehovah Witnesses knocked on my door, offering to share their beliefs with me. The homely young man was white, the pretty young woman, black.
Earlier, I had walked by a group of refugees from Ukraine, also Jehovah Witnesses, who have a little place on a main street near me, where they regularly offer smiles, and literature.
One of the things that makes me proud to be an American is that we -- mostly -- tolerate religious groups that are persecuted elsewhere. I have known Jehovah Witnesses all my life, and have found them to be good people, who contribute to society.
(Years ago, I used to meet local politicians who campaigned from door to door, but that seems to have stopped, at least in my neighborhood.)
For the record: I am a "cultural Christian", but have close relatives who are Evangelicals.
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Farage and Tice were at the launch in 2018.
But in the UK now the COO of TP is also the leader of UKIP, Nick Tenconi, so it's probably some way further out than Reform could officially tolerate at present. I'm sure there will be a few people from RefUK attached somewhere though.
Basically: I believed what the nice man told me
You can compare Chicago with some red cities that are worse.
It was a couple of years ago that Tim Pool’s live podcast got swatted, and tens of thousands of people watched a live stream of an empty studio for three hours. https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tim-pool-podcast-swatted-for-ninth-time-this-year-40k-viewers-stayed-to-watch-abandoned-studio-for-three-hours/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_UK
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🟦 Reform UK: 34% (+2)
🔴 Labour: 19% (-)
🔵 Conservatives: 15% (-2)
🟠 Lib Dems: 12% (-1)
🟢 Greens: 12% (+1)
Changes from 3rd September
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I'd hoped he would have vanished into well-deserved obscurity by now.
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I noted it at the time.
These nuances matter. They're useful indicators.
Zack, is getting the voters back, it seems. He seems to be good at attracting media coverage.
Interesting !
Hmmmmmmm....
If so...Starmer is in real danger.
Earlier, I had walked by a group of refugees from Ukraine, also Jehovah Witnesses, who have a little place on a main street near me, where they regularly offer smiles, and literature.
One of the things that makes me proud to be an American is that we -- mostly -- tolerate religious groups that are persecuted elsewhere. I have known Jehovah Witnesses all my life, and have found them to be good people, who contribute to society.
(Years ago, I used to meet local politicians who campaigned from door to door, but that seems to have stopped, at least in my neighborhood.)
For the record: I am a "cultural Christian", but have close relatives who are Evangelicals.