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  • eekeek Posts: 31,068
    edited September 1

    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    Angela Rayner ‘unable to explain housing arrangements due to court order’

    No 10 said the deputy prime minister could not speak further on the topic, as Keir Starmer gave her his backing over the stamp duty scrutiny


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-tax-house-news-keir-starmer-9gc9rjwkv

    Divorce or custody related at a guess?
    She is getting divorced and her new bloke is based in Brighton instead of up north.

    I’ve a feeling that she’s done nothing wrong but the problem is you need to be whiter than white as a politician because any slight issue will be blown up in half stories
    And especially a left wing politician. If you're one of those a bit of routine tax efficiency in your personal affairs can lead to accusations of 'hypocrisy'.
    I don't think she's lax, I think there is a bit of the story (divorce) which both explains everything and the papers are avoiding talking about..
    Except for paying council tax in both places as if it was her primary residence.

    If it is divorce related you suck it up and pay both. May be 2k more - she can afford it
    You do know the issue is £40,000 in stamp duty - the papers claim its due because its a second home, she didn't pay it because she claims it isn't...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768
    edited September 1
    MaxPB said:

    Ratters said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakf 22ast.

    France has the worse position because it has no independent currency. Combined with no government, new elections coming sooner makes me think they'll face crisis first.

    The UK will plod along in an unsustainable position but falling short of crisis for a number of years, in my opinion.
    I don't agree, France has an implicit debt guarantor within the EMU. There is a wink and a nod that should things go south then Germany and the Netherlands will pick up the bill through the same mechanisms that they did when Greece went bankrupt.
    Yep. France can ultimately draw on the vast resources of the ECB and - in the end - the unified debt of the EU

    The EU could afford to let a small peripheral member like Greece go bust and maybe even grexit. France is the most important EU member alongside Germany. If France falls then the euro and the EU are mortally endangered. Can’t happen. Hence the lower interest rate France pays for debt

    The UK does not have that safety net
  • eekeek Posts: 31,068
    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just on government bond yields, it is worth remembering that the UK is affected by the US, and US long term yields have risen from under 4%, to about 5%. So, yes, Starmer (and Reeves) have been shit, and their actions have led to higher bond yields.

    But investors generally are taking the view that interest rates and inflation are rising worldwide.

    I think UK economic prospects look brighter than everyone is making out.
    Business confidence is up, wages are up and Reeves seems to be grasping the opportunity of property tax reform from the necessity of raising more money.
    Yet the one thing we haven't seen in the leaks is a sensible property tax reform proposal..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,780
    eek said:

    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    Angela Rayner ‘unable to explain housing arrangements due to court order’

    No 10 said the deputy prime minister could not speak further on the topic, as Keir Starmer gave her his backing over the stamp duty scrutiny


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-tax-house-news-keir-starmer-9gc9rjwkv

    Divorce or custody related at a guess?
    She is getting divorced and her new bloke is based in Brighton instead of up north.

    I’ve a feeling that she’s done nothing wrong but the problem is you need to be whiter than white as a politician because any slight issue will be blown up in half stories
    And especially a left wing politician. If you're one of those a bit of routine tax efficiency in your personal affairs can lead to accusations of 'hypocrisy'.
    I don't think she's lax, I think there is a bit of the story (divorce) which both explains everything and the papers are avoiding talking about..
    Except for paying council tax in both places as if it was her primary residence.

    If it is divorce related you suck it up and pay both. May be 2k more - she can afford it
    You do know the issue is £40,000 in stamp duty - the papers claim its because its a second home, but she didn't pay it because it isn't...
    She doesn't own her constituency house, it is owned by a Trust with her 3 children as beneficiaries, and in London she has a Grace and Favour flat, owned by the government. So in legal terms for stamp duty the flat in Hove is her sole property, not a second home.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768

    Leon said:

    Omg the Toolmakersson has outdone himself on X

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    This is a genuine tweet from Number 10. He just gets worse and worse

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1962577680190042223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Does he really write this stuff himself, or does he have a rogue Spad whose work he doesn’t check?
    I picture him at home eating a reheated Asda curry under a 40 foot wide Union Jack, while also frowning with concern that the flag may be seen as “divisive”
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282
    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Would France - at almost any cost - be bailed out by the Eurozone/ECB? I can't see the EU letting them go under whether it breaks any of their sacrosanct rules or not.

    Which might leave some more gambling types eyeing the UK.

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the Toolmakersson has outdone himself on X

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    This is a genuine tweet from Number 10. He just gets worse and worse

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1962577680190042223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Does he really write this stuff himself, or does he have a rogue Spad whose work he doesn’t check?
    I picture him at home eating a reheated Asda curry under a 40 foot wide Union Jack, while also frowning with concern that the flag may be seen as “divisive”
    Eating it while taking the knee. For old times sake. Simpler times.
  • viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    Would nationalisation cure this problem, or are "the markets" just too powerful now?
    Nationalisation would need assets to be booked, and not just expenditure. But it is futile anyway because the next government would just flog them all off again. And not even Jeremy Corbyn would want to nationalise Harrods or Manchester United.

    The government also needs to be a bit cuter about favouring British rather than American companies. Look at the number of tech contracts handed over to Microsoft, AWS, Oracle or Palantir, and contrast with the way America invokes national security so that not even the dog warden can host a website overseas, or the way foreign wealth funds were blocked from buying ports. Look at the billions of dollars of subsidies and pump-priming for American firms, whereas we cut investment.

    We do need to find some way of retaining British companies, whether the answer lies in the tax system, venture capital, pensions or what.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    This is the price of running a trade deficit for nearly 30 years. To balance the books we sell assets to the same value as the deficit every year. If you want this to stop we need to reduce consumption, increase investment, probably devalue and export more. It really is as simple as that but the electorate and our political class would rather put their fingers in their ears and then lament the inevitable consequences.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,725
    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Would France - at almost any cost - be bailed out by the Eurozone/ECB? I can't see the EU letting them go under whether it breaks any of their sacrosanct rules or not.

    Which might leave some more gambling types eyeing the UK.

    Yes of course. This is why Britain is first in the firing line
  • Leon said:

    Omg the Toolmakersson has outdone himself on X

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    This is a genuine tweet from Number 10. He just gets worse and worse

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1962577680190042223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Does he really write this stuff himself, or does he have a rogue Spad whose work he doesn’t check?
    I damn well hope it's the second. Frankly, the same goes for any politician above bored backbencher grade. They have much more important things to do with their time, as does Muskybaby.

    (Doesn't let senior politicians off the hook. Even if they are only checking the person who is checking the person who is checking the person who is tweeting, they need to be making sure that there is quality all along the chain, and that clearly isn't happening. I'll let him off not having the words himself, but in that case he needs to find someone with the words.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting next to a young married couple, the woman is pretty and bright, he is quite handsome and ridiculous. She is wincing at his inept and flailing humour

    It is becoming painfully obvious to her that she has mistakenly married an idiot. Her anguish is palpable. I see her as Britain under Boris

    What does one do? Should I stage an intervention?

    You're offering yourself as a Starmer ?

    Best not.
    Starmer is, by all accounts, including people with direct knowledge - a successful ladies man. How can that be? He’s a humourless dolt of the first water

    Yet he is - or was - handsome. He is living reproof of the idea women go for brains and wit
    Good looking, stupid and rich beats ugly, smart and poor every time. People don't have sex for conversation, they get that from their friends or their second marriages. First marriages are about sex and having children



    Makes me glad I stuck with my first marriage then.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I hate to be the last sceptic in the room but the continual pumping of this new class of drugs as wonder workers all has a feel of Miltown to me.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,281
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    This is the price of running a trade deficit for nearly 30 years. To balance the books we sell assets to the same value as the deficit every year. If you want this to stop we need to reduce consumption, increase investment, probably devalue and export more. It really is as simple as that but the electorate and our political class would rather put their fingers in their ears and then lament the inevitable consequences.
    Don't worry! We're going to elect a bunch of people who promise even more sweeties, for even less cost.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768

    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I hate to be the last sceptic in the room but the continual pumping of this new class of drugs as wonder workers all has a feel of Miltown to me.

    Or it’s the new penicillin

    Allow us to hope
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the Toolmakersson has outdone himself on X

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    This is a genuine tweet from Number 10. He just gets worse and worse

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1962577680190042223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Does he really write this stuff himself, or does he have a rogue Spad whose work he doesn’t check?
    I picture him at home eating a reheated Asda curry under a 40 foot wide Union Jack, while also frowning with concern that the flag may be seen as “divisive”
    Eating it while taking the knee. For old times sake. Simpler times.
    Asda curry? Surely he is north london dinner party tofu-eating wokerati?

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,281
    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I'm always slightly sceptical of these kind of results, because all too often people who are depressed come off their meds, and therefore are not included in the numbers.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    This is the price of running a trade deficit for nearly 30 years. To balance the books we sell assets to the same value as the deficit every year. If you want this to stop we need to reduce consumption, increase investment, probably devalue and export more. It really is as simple as that but the electorate and our political class would rather put their fingers in their ears and then lament the inevitable consequences.
    I think it's coming up to the 60th anniversary of the last planned devaluation - seems fitting. We can all sit around with Union Jack pork pie hats on, bunting, and braying at foreigners for two minutes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Would France - at almost any cost - be bailed out by the Eurozone/ECB? I can't see the EU letting them go under whether it breaks any of their sacrosanct rules or not.

    Which might leave some more gambling types eyeing the UK.

    Will Germany be prepared to continue to pay the price to keep France in eurozone?

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the Toolmakersson has outdone himself on X

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    This is a genuine tweet from Number 10. He just gets worse and worse

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1962577680190042223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Does he really write this stuff himself, or does he have a rogue Spad whose work he doesn’t check?
    I picture him at home eating a reheated Asda curry under a 40 foot wide Union Jack, while also frowning with concern that the flag may be seen as “divisive”
    Eating it while taking the knee. For old times sake. Simpler times.
    Asda curry? Surely he is north london dinner party tofu-eating wokerati?

    I'm sure if he could shake off the guilt. Looking wistfully at an artisan 'cook at home' curry kit, then shuffling down the Asda to keep his perceived credentials.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Would France - at almost any cost - be bailed out by the Eurozone/ECB? I can't see the EU letting them go under whether it breaks any of their sacrosanct rules or not.

    Which might leave some more gambling types eyeing the UK.

    Will Germany be prepared to continue to pay the price to keep France in eurozone?

    I imagine if they can squeeze some advantageous terms out of the commission in return, then sure.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255
    rcs1000 said:

    Just on government bond yields, it is worth remembering that the UK is affected by the US, and US long term yields have risen from under 4%, to about 5%. So, yes, Starmer (and Reeves) have been shit, and their actions have led to higher bond yields.

    But investors generally are taking the view that interest rates and inflation are rising worldwide.

    Our gilt rates do tend to follow American bond rates. And the US have the distinct disadvantage of a completely deranged kleptomaniac in the White House who is determined to make the Fed his poodle. This is a problem for the government here and not their fault but they are not helping themselves.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,161

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Would France - at almost any cost - be bailed out by the Eurozone/ECB? I can't see the EU letting them go under whether it breaks any of their sacrosanct rules or not.

    Which might leave some more gambling types eyeing the UK.

    Will Germany be prepared to continue to pay the price to keep France in eurozone?

    Yes, as long as they think the price of not doing so will be greater (which it would).
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,778
    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just on government bond yields, it is worth remembering that the UK is affected by the US, and US long term yields have risen from under 4%, to about 5%. So, yes, Starmer (and Reeves) have been shit, and their actions have led to higher bond yields.

    But investors generally are taking the view that interest rates and inflation are rising worldwide.

    I think UK economic prospects look brighter than everyone is making out.
    Business confidence is up, wages are up and Reeves seems to be grasping the opportunity of property tax reform from the necessity of raising more money.
    Yet the one thing we haven't seen in the leaks is a sensible property tax reform proposal..
    I'd be very happy with scrapping stamp duty for an annual % tax on more expensive homes. Raise money, make it easier for people to move and downsize.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    Just loving how many rightwing newspaper columnist types spend every morning glued to the 30-year gilts market so they can tweet at some point in the day that this is the end of Britain.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,161
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    This is the price of running a trade deficit for nearly 30 years. To balance the books we sell assets to the same value as the deficit every year. If you want this to stop we need to reduce consumption, increase investment, probably devalue and export more. It really is as simple as that but the electorate and our political class would rather put their fingers in their ears and then lament the inevitable consequences.
    I think it's coming up to the 60th anniversary of the last planned devaluation - seems fitting. We can all sit around with Union Jack pork pie hats on, bunting, and braying at foreigners for two minutes.
    Callaghan and Wilson were both English.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I'm always slightly sceptical of these kind of results, because all too often people who are depressed come off their meds, and therefore are not included in the numbers.
    I am a data point of 1. But I’m on Mounjaro and: I’m drinking less booze, eating less food, moving around more, and generally feeling better and buzzier. I’ve also dropped a few pounds

    I still drink too much alcohol by the standards of most. But it’s down ~40%. Or more

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I hate to be the last sceptic in the room but the continual pumping of this new class of drugs as wonder workers all has a feel of Miltown to me.

    Or it’s the new penicillin

    Allow us to hope
    ...

    image
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,725
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I'm always slightly sceptical of these kind of results, because all too often people who are depressed come off their meds, and therefore are not included in the numbers.
    Of course, and it's not a clinical trial.

    I too retain some scepticism about these drugs, particularly what might be the effects of long term use.
    But they are undeniably and remarkably effective, thus far, in improving health outcomes for obese individuals.
    (As is, of course, losing weight by more natural means.)

    What also remains to be seen is to what extent some of those health benefits might (if at all) outweigh those from conventional weight loss / alcohol abstinence, etc.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255
    Ratters said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakf 22ast.

    France has the worse position because it has no independent currency. Combined with no government, new elections coming sooner makes me think they'll face crisis first.

    The UK will plod along in an unsustainable position but falling short of crisis for a number of years, in my opinion.
    The French deficit is roughly twice what is allowed under the ECB rules. But, unlike Greece and Italy, they are not being held to account for this because, well, they are France. There must be a limit beyond which others whose financial futures are tied to the Euro are going to get very unhappy with their currency being undermined in this way but quite when is unclear.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,231
    "Overwhelmingly white’ countryside needs more halal food, report claims
    Academics argue that rural England should make ‘sustained inclusion efforts’ for ethnic minorities
    Craig Simpson"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/01/overwhelmingly-white-countryside-halal-food-report-claims
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,706
    rcs1000 said:

    Just on government bond yields, it is worth remembering that the UK is affected by the US, and US long term yields have risen from under 4%, to about 5%. So, yes, Starmer (and Reeves) have been shit, and their actions have led to higher bond yields.

    But investors generally are taking the view that interest rates and inflation are rising worldwide.

    But an implied 10% pre-tax return on UK government debt if you expect to live for 30 years is worth having…

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,725
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I hate to be the last sceptic in the room but the continual pumping of this new class of drugs as wonder workers all has a feel of Miltown to me.

    Or it’s the new penicillin

    Allow us to hope
    Who knows ?

    Another drug which might bring about very large health improvements, is the new blood pressure medicine from AZN.
    https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2025/baxdrostat-demonstrated-statistically-significant-clinically-meaningful-reduction-sbp-patients-hard-control-hypertension-baxhtn-phase-iii-trial.html

    Anti-hypertensives are one of the most frequently prescribed drugs. This might be a significant advance.
  • viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting next to a young married couple, the woman is pretty and bright, he is quite handsome and ridiculous. She is wincing at his inept and flailing humour

    It is becoming painfully obvious to her that she has mistakenly married an idiot. Her anguish is palpable. I see her as Britain under Boris

    What does one do? Should I stage an intervention?

    You're offering yourself as a Starmer ?

    Best not.
    Starmer is, by all accounts, including people with direct knowledge - a successful ladies man. How can that be? He’s a humourless dolt of the first water

    Yet he is - or was - handsome. He is living reproof of the idea women go for brains and wit
    Good looking, stupid and rich beats ugly, smart and poor every time. People don't have sex for conversation, they get that from their friends or their second marriages. First marriages are about sex and having children

    My brother had his son (my nephew) from his second marriage.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,706
    eek said:

    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    Angela Rayner ‘unable to explain housing arrangements due to court order’

    No 10 said the deputy prime minister could not speak further on the topic, as Keir Starmer gave her his backing over the stamp duty scrutiny


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-tax-house-news-keir-starmer-9gc9rjwkv

    Divorce or custody related at a guess?
    She is getting divorced and her new bloke is based in Brighton instead of up north.

    I’ve a feeling that she’s done nothing wrong but the problem is you need to be whiter than white as a politician because any slight issue will be blown up in half stories
    And especially a left wing politician. If you're one of those a bit of routine tax efficiency in your personal affairs can lead to accusations of 'hypocrisy'.
    I don't think she's lax, I think there is a bit of the story (divorce) which both explains everything and the papers are avoiding talking about..
    Except for paying council tax in both places as if it was her primary residence.

    If it is divorce related you suck it up and pay both. May be 2k more - she can afford it
    You do know the issue is £40,000 in stamp duty - the papers claim its due because its a second home, she didn't pay it because she claims it isn't...
    She’s given a plausible explanation (she sold the Manchester home in order to buy the Brighton one)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,780

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omg the Toolmakersson has outdone himself on X

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    This is a genuine tweet from Number 10. He just gets worse and worse

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1962577680190042223?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Does he really write this stuff himself, or does he have a rogue Spad whose work he doesn’t check?
    I picture him at home eating a reheated Asda curry under a 40 foot wide Union Jack, while also frowning with concern that the flag may be seen as “divisive”
    Eating it while taking the knee. For old times sake. Simpler times.
    Asda curry? Surely he is north london dinner party tofu-eating wokerati?

    Surely we have hard evidence that he likes a beer and a curry.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,231
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting next to a young married couple, the woman is pretty and bright, he is quite handsome and ridiculous. She is wincing at his inept and flailing humour

    It is becoming painfully obvious to her that she has mistakenly married an idiot. Her anguish is palpable. I see her as Britain under Boris

    What does one do? Should I stage an intervention?

    You're offering yourself as a Starmer ?

    Best not.
    Starmer is, by all accounts, including people with direct knowledge - a successful ladies man. How can that be? He’s a humourless dolt of the first water

    Yet he is - or was - handsome. He is living reproof of the idea women go for brains and wit
    Good looking, stupid and rich beats ugly, smart and poor every time. People don't have sex for conversation, they get that from their friends or their second marriages. First marriages are about sex and having children



    Ugly, smart and poor should win though.
  • Fishing said:

    Eabhal said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Bracing WSJ piece on the disaster of Britain’s post Brexit immigration policies

    https://x.com/cojobrien/status/1961077952256319857?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    It’s really hard to believe such a catastrophe happened “by mistake”

    I am now convinced we are heading for a quasi fascist government which will try to reverse this. And probably fail

    And no, this does not please me. I wanted better for my kids 😢

    Immigration helps to increase growth in terms of GDP. I can’t see why else they would have issued so many visas .

    I think we forget just how tight the labour market was after COVID. Loads of people in service type jobs (bartenders etc) went into education or starting coding (or Onlyfans), EU migration dried up and the economy was genuinely in a spot of bother because of the lack of cheap labour on which it has depended for so long.

    Now, I'd normally welcome such a change because it would help reduce in-work poverty and stimulate investment in capital. Basically, your Wetherspoons would have a machine pouring your pint rather than a human, because humans were really expensive. But it was an incredibly rapid change and there are some sectors like social care where people were simply unwilling to stump up the cash to incentivise people to work in that sector.

    So all these minimum-wage sectors went squealing to the Treasury, and here we are: productivity growth remains stagnant, we continue to have vast inequality and in-work poverty, and people are rather upset because of housing and public service pressure from a gigantic influx of people in just a couple of years.
    Empirically, factor substitutability is very low - most studies I've seen put it at 0.15 or 0.2. Most jobs cannot be substituted with machines yet, and that was even more the case in 2022.

    What has caused our low investment isn't the abundance of labour, it's that the government has regulated and taxed returns on capital, increasingly, unpredictably and idiotically. If you view entrepreneurs as cash cows, rather than as the font of economic growth, of course they'll invest much less than they should. And if you adopt a nanny-knows-best attitude to investment, directing it to favoured regions or industries, rather than letting the market direct it to where returns are highest, of course you'll get lower overall returns and lower investment.

    Higher, more productive investment will come only if this country drops its belief that the public sector can run industry and that the private sector is just there to finance an ever-growing state. It's extremely basic economics, as well as common sense.
    No, our economy is not productive because the private sector didn't invest in productive capital , but bought property instead. We have gone from capitalism to landlordism.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,725
    The Israeli Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir addressed the government's plan, which includes capturing Gaza city, and stated: "You are heading toward military rule. Understand the implications."
    https://x.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1962494975943324045
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,231
    "The court that stops us speaking our mind
    Strasbourg is spooked by the idea of US-style protections for free speech

    Andrew Tettenborn"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-court-that-stops-us-speaking-our-mind
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,593

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Would France - at almost any cost - be bailed out by the Eurozone/ECB? I can't see the EU letting them go under whether it breaks any of their sacrosanct rules or not.

    Which might leave some more gambling types eyeing the UK.

    Will Germany be prepared to continue to pay the price to keep France in eurozone?

    Yes, if France falls out then the whole EU will fracture. The political cost of France being kicked out of the Eurozone is far, far higher than whatever the monetary liability Germany and other creditor nations will have to take on. There will be a price though, France is likely to have it's budgets passed in Berlin.

    My gut feeling is that if France exits the Eurozone it will be because French people vote to leave it because they don't want German politicians making their budgets.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,797
    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a notable result from an observational study of those on the new obesity drugs.

    GLP-1 receptor agonists will transform mental health over the next five years:

    » Suicide: 58% reduction
    » Depression: 37% reduction
    » Substance use disorder: 42% reduction

    n=174,000 obese adults who initiated GLP-1RAs in a target trial emulation published yesterday.

    https://x.com/therealRYC/status/1962213801635569738

    I'm always slightly sceptical of these kind of results, because all too often people who are depressed come off their meds, and therefore are not included in the numbers.
    Of course, and it's not a clinical trial.

    I too retain some scepticism about these drugs, particularly what might be the effects of long term use.
    But they are undeniably and remarkably effective, thus far, in improving health outcomes for obese individuals.
    (As is, of course, losing weight by more natural means.)

    What also remains to be seen is to what extent some of those health benefits might (if at all) outweigh those from conventional weight loss / alcohol abstinence, etc.
    Or whether people can get off them again.

    SSRIs were the wonder drug of 1990s with introduction of Prozac.

    Now millions take them for just mild everyday blues and have side effects and struggle to get off them again.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,593

    Just loving how many rightwing newspaper columnist types spend every morning glued to the 30-year gilts market so they can tweet at some point in the day that this is the end of Britain.

    It's not right wing newspapers, it's city analysts that have been sounding the alarm for about 6 months. The press have only just caught up.

    No one's been listening and the government is useless. Its Liz Truss in slow motion. Our idiot premium is higher now than it was under Truss but because it's taken 6 months to get there rather than 6 days people who don't follow this haven't cottoned on as to just how bad it's become.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,593

    Fishing said:

    Eabhal said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Bracing WSJ piece on the disaster of Britain’s post Brexit immigration policies

    https://x.com/cojobrien/status/1961077952256319857?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    It’s really hard to believe such a catastrophe happened “by mistake”

    I am now convinced we are heading for a quasi fascist government which will try to reverse this. And probably fail

    And no, this does not please me. I wanted better for my kids 😢

    Immigration helps to increase growth in terms of GDP. I can’t see why else they would have issued so many visas .

    I think we forget just how tight the labour market was after COVID. Loads of people in service type jobs (bartenders etc) went into education or starting coding (or Onlyfans), EU migration dried up and the economy was genuinely in a spot of bother because of the lack of cheap labour on which it has depended for so long.

    Now, I'd normally welcome such a change because it would help reduce in-work poverty and stimulate investment in capital. Basically, your Wetherspoons would have a machine pouring your pint rather than a human, because humans were really expensive. But it was an incredibly rapid change and there are some sectors like social care where people were simply unwilling to stump up the cash to incentivise people to work in that sector.

    So all these minimum-wage sectors went squealing to the Treasury, and here we are: productivity growth remains stagnant, we continue to have vast inequality and in-work poverty, and people are rather upset because of housing and public service pressure from a gigantic influx of people in just a couple of years.
    Empirically, factor substitutability is very low - most studies I've seen put it at 0.15 or 0.2. Most jobs cannot be substituted with machines yet, and that was even more the case in 2022.

    What has caused our low investment isn't the abundance of labour, it's that the government has regulated and taxed returns on capital, increasingly, unpredictably and idiotically. If you view entrepreneurs as cash cows, rather than as the font of economic growth, of course they'll invest much less than they should. And if you adopt a nanny-knows-best attitude to investment, directing it to favoured regions or industries, rather than letting the market direct it to where returns are highest, of course you'll get lower overall returns and lower investment.

    Higher, more productive investment will come only if this country drops its belief that the public sector can run industry and that the private sector is just there to finance an ever-growing state. It's extremely basic economics, as well as common sense.
    No, our economy is not productive because the private sector didn't invest in productive capital , but bought property instead. We have gone from capitalism to landlordism.
    No, our economy isn't productive because the public sector now accounts for almost 1 in 5 jobs and eats up 40% of GDP and use a big chunk of that to pay working age people to sit at home because they're a bit sad.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,405
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    On topic.

    It seems that Kemi believes she was tapped up by Stanford with an overseas scholarship.

    The obvious answer is that she was the mark in an attempted scam where the family stumps up some fees, then turns up to find no such thing. Nigeria does have form for this!

    Sometimes our personal anecdotes become transfigured into untruth. I bet she believes it.

    I remember being in a minor traffic accident in a friends car 20 years ago. I wasn't - but he was. Imagine how stupid I felt bringing that up and being corrected.
    Yes, it may well be like Tony Blair watching Jackie Milburn from the terraces, or William Hagues pint at every pub when doing deliveries, a story that grew in the telling because they wanted it to be true. Like young Kemi.
    Or the latest one; Sir Keir watching EastEnders in his ‘flat’ with a St George’s Flag on the fireplace
  • Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    On topic.

    It seems that Kemi believes she was tapped up by Stanford with an overseas scholarship.

    The obvious answer is that she was the mark in an attempted scam where the family stumps up some fees, then turns up to find no such thing. Nigeria does have form for this!

    Sometimes our personal anecdotes become transfigured into untruth. I bet she believes it.

    I remember being in a minor traffic accident in a friends car 20 years ago. I wasn't - but he was. Imagine how stupid I felt bringing that up and being corrected.
    Yes, it may well be like Tony Blair watching Jackie Milburn from the terraces, or William Hagues pint at every pub when doing deliveries, a story that grew in the telling because they wanted it to be true. Like young Kemi.
    In Tony Blair's case it was the story of his telling that grew in the telling - he never claimed to have watched Jackie Milburn from the terraces in the first place.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    There's a huge focus on Reeves and Starmer over the 10 year and so on gilt yields but maybe some of this is the market factoring in what a shit show the next it seems likely government will be under Farage in 2029?

    'cos controlling inflation 'aint gonna be anywhere near Nigel's desk when there's a £20b deportation army and nationalisation of water and railways plus raising income tax threshold to £20k all to be funded.

    And of course Mad Mickey the Metal Trader who Nigel has known since school days and is a good laugh in the pub could well become CoE under his plan to put non-MPs into Cabinet at senior levels.



  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255
    isam said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    On topic.

    It seems that Kemi believes she was tapped up by Stanford with an overseas scholarship.

    The obvious answer is that she was the mark in an attempted scam where the family stumps up some fees, then turns up to find no such thing. Nigeria does have form for this!

    Sometimes our personal anecdotes become transfigured into untruth. I bet she believes it.

    I remember being in a minor traffic accident in a friends car 20 years ago. I wasn't - but he was. Imagine how stupid I felt bringing that up and being corrected.
    Yes, it may well be like Tony Blair watching Jackie Milburn from the terraces, or William Hagues pint at every pub when doing deliveries, a story that grew in the telling because they wanted it to be true. Like young Kemi.
    Or the latest one; Sir Keir watching EastEnders in his ‘flat’ with a St George’s Flag on the fireplace
    Surely Lord Alli's flat?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,780

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    On topic.

    It seems that Kemi believes she was tapped up by Stanford with an overseas scholarship.

    The obvious answer is that she was the mark in an attempted scam where the family stumps up some fees, then turns up to find no such thing. Nigeria does have form for this!

    Sometimes our personal anecdotes become transfigured into untruth. I bet she believes it.

    I remember being in a minor traffic accident in a friends car 20 years ago. I wasn't - but he was. Imagine how stupid I felt bringing that up and being corrected.
    Yes, it may well be like Tony Blair watching Jackie Milburn from the terraces, or William Hagues pint at every pub when doing deliveries, a story that grew in the telling because they wanted it to be true. Like young Kemi.
    In Tony Blair's case it was the story of his telling that grew in the telling - he never claimed to have watched Jackie Milburn from the terraces in the first place.
    Yes, much like Mandlesons avocado dip from a fish and chip shop in Hartlepool...
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,245
    edited September 1
    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press. He's never been camera shy.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    And if Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,068

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,245
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,025
    Andy_JS said:

    "Overwhelmingly white’ countryside needs more halal food, report claims
    Academics argue that rural England should make ‘sustained inclusion efforts’ for ethnic minorities
    Craig Simpson"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/01/overwhelmingly-white-countryside-halal-food-report-claims

    I think those who believe they need halal food ought are in need of bringing into the 21st century.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,068

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    I was thinking sanity relative to Trump... I can't imagine Vance would announce something and then chicken out 2 days later...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,797

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press. He's never been camera shy.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    And if Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Stroke seems to be the current favourite
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,245
    edited September 1
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    I was thinking sanity relative to Trump... I can't imagine Vance would announce something and then chicken out 2 days later...
    That's true. There probably will be a plan beyond the next 4 hours (assuming that's how long a round of golf took).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    edited September 1

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    I honestly think Vance remains an engima.

    What does he really believe?

    What would he actually do if given the presidency?

    The guy who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and the guy who now spends his days licking Trump's toes to pleasure him just seem like two different people.

    Whatever else he may be he is not a moron nor a stupid, deliberately know-nothing in the way Trump is.

  • eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    Is chaotic evil to lawful evil an upgrade?

    (Possibly yes, a little bit. Lawful evil lets you survive by tiptoeing round the laws, whereas you can't do anything in a chaotic evil environment. But it's not much of an improvement.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,797
    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,464

    There's a huge focus on Reeves and Starmer over the 10 year and so on gilt yields but maybe some of this is the market factoring in what a shit show the next it seems likely government will be under Farage in 2029?

    'cos controlling inflation 'aint gonna be anywhere near Nigel's desk when there's a £20b deportation army and nationalisation of water and railways plus raising income tax threshold to £20k all to be funded.

    And of course Mad Mickey the Metal Trader who Nigel has known since school days and is a good laugh in the pub could well become CoE under his plan to put non-MPs into Cabinet at senior levels.



    Embarrassing post.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837

    His key market is tofu wokerati with green ideals and of course a bit of money.

    Everything he does on X seems designed to f*ck this group right off.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,281

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837

    His key market is tofu wokerati with green ideals and of course a bit of money.

    Everything he does on X seems designed to f*ck this group right off.
    Tesla is facing the perfect storm of:

    1. An ageing lineup
    2. Serious competition, from both BYD and European carmakers
    3. A CEO who seems determined to trash his firm's brand

    I would not like to be a Tesla shareholder.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768

    There's a huge focus on Reeves and Starmer over the 10 year and so on gilt yields but maybe some of this is the market factoring in what a shit show the next it seems likely government will be under Farage in 2029?

    'cos controlling inflation 'aint gonna be anywhere near Nigel's desk when there's a £20b deportation army and nationalisation of water and railways plus raising income tax threshold to £20k all to be funded.

    And of course Mad Mickey the Metal Trader who Nigel has known since school days and is a good laugh in the pub could well become CoE under his plan to put non-MPs into Cabinet at senior levels.



    Oh do shut up
  • eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    Is chaotic evil to lawful evil an upgrade?

    (Possibly yes, a little bit. Lawful evil lets you survive by tiptoeing round the laws, whereas you can't do anything in a chaotic evil environment. But it's not much of an improvement.)
    No, its a downgrade.

    Chaos is a good thing, its requirement for evolution which is how we improve.

    When you're currently on evil, you need chaos all the more. Lawful evil is the worst of all combinations, like dumb and ambitious.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837

    Model Y on display in Romford shopping centre the other day. Can't imagine too many sales, though!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,931

    Fishing said:

    Eabhal said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Bracing WSJ piece on the disaster of Britain’s post Brexit immigration policies

    https://x.com/cojobrien/status/1961077952256319857?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    It’s really hard to believe such a catastrophe happened “by mistake”

    I am now convinced we are heading for a quasi fascist government which will try to reverse this. And probably fail

    And no, this does not please me. I wanted better for my kids 😢

    Immigration helps to increase growth in terms of GDP. I can’t see why else they would have issued so many visas .

    I think we forget just how tight the labour market was after COVID. Loads of people in service type jobs (bartenders etc) went into education or starting coding (or Onlyfans), EU migration dried up and the economy was genuinely in a spot of bother because of the lack of cheap labour on which it has depended for so long.

    Now, I'd normally welcome such a change because it would help reduce in-work poverty and stimulate investment in capital. Basically, your Wetherspoons would have a machine pouring your pint rather than a human, because humans were really expensive. But it was an incredibly rapid change and there are some sectors like social care where people were simply unwilling to stump up the cash to incentivise people to work in that sector.

    So all these minimum-wage sectors went squealing to the Treasury, and here we are: productivity growth remains stagnant, we continue to have vast inequality and in-work poverty, and people are rather upset because of housing and public service pressure from a gigantic influx of people in just a couple of years.
    Empirically, factor substitutability is very low - most studies I've seen put it at 0.15 or 0.2. Most jobs cannot be substituted with machines yet, and that was even more the case in 2022.

    What has caused our low investment isn't the abundance of labour, it's that the government has regulated and taxed returns on capital, increasingly, unpredictably and idiotically. If you view entrepreneurs as cash cows, rather than as the font of economic growth, of course they'll invest much less than they should. And if you adopt a nanny-knows-best attitude to investment, directing it to favoured regions or industries, rather than letting the market direct it to where returns are highest, of course you'll get lower overall returns and lower investment.

    Higher, more productive investment will come only if this country drops its belief that the public sector can run industry and that the private sector is just there to finance an ever-growing state. It's extremely basic economics, as well as common sense.
    No, our economy is not productive because the private sector didn't invest in productive capital , but bought property instead. We have gone from capitalism to landlordism.
    Our productivity is significantly below several large economies that have much higher tax rates on both corporate profits and investment returns, and also significantly behind several large economies that have lower taxes on those things.

    Productivity and business investment is a conundrum but tax policy seems only partially to influence it if at all. The biggest factors seem to be funding costs, education levels and transport infrastructure but even there the stats are fuzzy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616

    There's a huge focus on Reeves and Starmer over the 10 year and so on gilt yields but maybe some of this is the market factoring in what a shit show the next it seems likely government will be under Farage in 2029?

    'cos controlling inflation 'aint gonna be anywhere near Nigel's desk when there's a £20b deportation army and nationalisation of water and railways plus raising income tax threshold to £20k all to be funded.

    And of course Mad Mickey the Metal Trader who Nigel has known since school days and is a good laugh in the pub could well become CoE under his plan to put non-MPs into Cabinet at senior levels.



    Embarrassing post.
    Because...?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    Seems I have touched a nerve this evening.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,889

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    I think time is running out and the market won't countenance waiting for growth to balance the books. They will force fiscal rectitude onto Britain in a short period.

    Then the country can worry about how to generate growth in order to pay for the things they want.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,931
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837

    His key market is tofu wokerati with green ideals and of course a bit of money.

    Everything he does on X seems designed to f*ck this group right off.
    Tesla is facing the perfect storm of:

    1. An ageing lineup
    2. Serious competition, from both BYD and European carmakers
    3. A CEO who seems determined to trash his firm's brand

    I would not like to be a Tesla shareholder.
    We’re seeing a lot more large non-Tesla EVs on the roads now and that must be helping to normalise the idea that no longer is the large luxury EV synonymous with Tesla, but is simply a category. A bit like Hoovers, or more recently the bagless versions pioneered by Dyson.

    To me it’s not about Tesla vs BYD or MG. It’s the trad car manufacturers now getting properly into the category. On a short drive these days I’m likely to pass a Polestar 2 or 3, a Volvo EX40, a Hyundai Ioniq 5, a Kia EV6 or EV9, a Skoda Enyaq, a Mercedes EQ range and so on. There will be Teslas too, but they no longer dominate.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768

    Seems I have touched a nerve this evening.

    No, you’re just criminally stupid
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,231
    edited September 1
    I keep seeing car parks with large numbers of electric chargers and only one or two of them being used.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,931

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    I think time is running out and the market won't countenance waiting for growth to balance the books. They will force fiscal rectitude onto Britain in a short period.

    Then the country can worry about how to generate growth in order to pay for the things they want.
    The main thing bond traders are jumpy about is growth. That’s why the NI rise in the last budget went down so badly. The second is inflation. And FX (which is a product of expectations on those 2).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,889
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Would France - at almost any cost - be bailed out by the Eurozone/ECB? I can't see the EU letting them go under whether it breaks any of their sacrosanct rules or not.

    Which might leave some more gambling types eyeing the UK.

    Yes of course. This is why Britain is first in the firing line
    So you regret that Britain didn't join the Euro?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,889

    There's a huge focus on Reeves and Starmer over the 10 year and so on gilt yields but maybe some of this is the market factoring in what a shit show the next it seems likely government will be under Farage in 2029?

    'cos controlling inflation 'aint gonna be anywhere near Nigel's desk when there's a £20b deportation army and nationalisation of water and railways plus raising income tax threshold to £20k all to be funded.

    And of course Mad Mickey the Metal Trader who Nigel has known since school days and is a good laugh in the pub could well become CoE under his plan to put non-MPs into Cabinet at senior levels.

    Any Farage budget is four years away. I don't think we'll make it to the next election without a crisis in the bond market first.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,889

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    I honestly think Vance remains an engima.

    What does he really believe?

    What would he actually do if given the presidency?

    The guy who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and the guy who now spends his days licking Trump's toes to pleasure him just seem like two different people.

    Whatever else he may be he is not a moron nor a stupid, deliberately know-nothing in the way Trump is.

    But could be hold a governing coalition together?

    I have no idea if the MAGA base of support transfers to Vance, and if he can keep any moderate Republicans left in line

    My guess would be not, that Trump just has this unique appeal to these voters, and a unique ability to intimidate other Republicans. But I could be wrong.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282

    There's a huge focus on Reeves and Starmer over the 10 year and so on gilt yields but maybe some of this is the market factoring in what a shit show the next it seems likely government will be under Farage in 2029?

    'cos controlling inflation 'aint gonna be anywhere near Nigel's desk when there's a £20b deportation army and nationalisation of water and railways plus raising income tax threshold to £20k all to be funded.

    And of course Mad Mickey the Metal Trader who Nigel has known since school days and is a good laugh in the pub could well become CoE under his plan to put non-MPs into Cabinet at senior levels.

    Any Farage budget is four years away. I don't think we'll make it to the next election without a crisis in the bond market first.
    Only tangentially related - but I came across a copy of this recently :

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0675204/

    "Play for Today: By Common Consent (1975)

    Adapted from Paul Thompson's celebrated play for the National Youth Theatre, "By Common Consent" is set in an unnamed country sometime in the future where a League of Youth has been established to restore moral and political order. The Boys of City Zone 8 are in disgrace when four of their members desert to join the 'terrorists' in the North."

    I'm fond of the 70s drama's like this. "1990", "The Guardians" etc.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,322
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    This is the price of running a trade deficit for nearly 30 years. To balance the books we sell assets to the same value as the deficit every year. If you want this to stop we need to reduce consumption, increase investment, probably devalue and export more. It really is as simple as that but the electorate and our political class would rather put their fingers in their ears and then lament the inevitable consequences.
    Don't worry! We're going to elect a bunch of people who promise even more sweeties, for even less cost.
    Phew, what a relief, I was worried for a second!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,282
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    On topic.

    It seems that Kemi believes she was tapped up by Stanford with an overseas scholarship.

    The obvious answer is that she was the mark in an attempted scam where the family stumps up some fees, then turns up to find no such thing. Nigeria does have form for this!

    Sometimes our personal anecdotes become transfigured into untruth. I bet she believes it.

    I remember being in a minor traffic accident in a friends car 20 years ago. I wasn't - but he was. Imagine how stupid I felt bringing that up and being corrected.
    Yes, it may well be like Tony Blair watching Jackie Milburn from the terraces, or William Hagues pint at every pub when doing deliveries, a story that grew in the telling because they wanted it to be true. Like young Kemi.
    In Tony Blair's case it was the story of his telling that grew in the telling - he never claimed to have watched Jackie Milburn from the terraces in the first place.
    Yes, much like Mandlesons avocado dip from a fish and chip shop in Hartlepool...
    I think you'll find that his "avocado dip" was a euphemism.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,231
    edited September 1
    The original emblem of the Fabian Society was a wolf in sheep's clothing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society#Establishment
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,322

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    I honestly think Vance remains an engima.

    What does he really believe?

    What would he actually do if given the presidency?

    The guy who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and the guy who now spends his days licking Trump's toes to pleasure him just seem like two different people.

    Whatever else he may be he is not a moron nor a stupid, deliberately know-nothing in the way Trump is.

    But could be hold a governing coalition together?

    I have no idea if the MAGA base of support transfers to Vance, and if he can keep any moderate Republicans left in line

    My guess would be not, that Trump just has this unique appeal to these voters, and a unique ability to intimidate other Republicans. But I could be wrong.
    When variious wannabee Trump's try to ape his style it often comes across as inauthentic, it's hard to see all of the base holding together when someone other than Trump himself tries to do the same things, but then they have surprised before.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,889
    TimS said:

    DavidL said:

    On more important matters our 30 year gilt rates reach a 27 year high of 5.64% today. The consequences for Reeves' budget are horrendous as, of course, they are for our future wellbeing. We are simply becoming a worse and worse risk. We have incompetent and delusional leadership which is incapable of delivering the most pitiful cuts by a party that are frankly insane as well as stupid.

    It is a race to the bottom with France. Which country will crash first? France basically doesn't have a government. They do not have the ability to cut their deficit just as we do not. Their borrowing as a share of GDP exceeds even ours. Both countries are in terrible trouble. One pretends to have a government. Both have electorates who are capable of believing 6 impossible things before breakfast.

    Cuts are not the problem. It's lack of growth and the systematic selling of any national assets not nailed down so that profits and wealth flow abroad rather than circulating round the British economy. Everything from utilities to football clubs sends money out of the country.
    I think time is running out and the market won't countenance waiting for growth to balance the books. They will force fiscal rectitude onto Britain in a short period.

    Then the country can worry about how to generate growth in order to pay for the things they want.
    The main thing bond traders are jumpy about is growth. That’s why the NI rise in the last budget went down so badly. The second is inflation. And FX (which is a product of expectations on those 2).
    Bond Traders are a group of people and so, like any group of people, they are prone to collective panics.

    We are one badly conceived or delivered budget away from such a collective panic among bond traders about the ability of Britain to service its debts. The failure of the government to hold the line on cutting winter fuel allowance, or disability benefit, undermines confidence that the government is able to do what is necessary to ensure that Britain can pay its way.

    Forget the effect of the budget on opinion polls. Reeves has to regain the confidence of the bond market, and she has to convince Labour backbenchers that it's necessary to do so.

    Obviously convincing the public is important too, but it doesn't matter so much if either of the other two are failed.

    It's a big ask. And she already failed the first time when the task was easier.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,470
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837

    His key market is tofu wokerati with green ideals and of course a bit of money.

    Everything he does on X seems designed to f*ck this group right off.
    Tesla is facing the perfect storm of:

    1. An ageing lineup
    2. Serious competition, from both BYD and European carmakers
    3. A CEO who seems determined to trash his firm's brand

    I would not like to be a Tesla shareholder.
    The superchargers are good though, even if they do hide them. Work seamlessly from the app and much cheaper than the competition. Just a pity the coverage is so patchy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,281
    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837

    His key market is tofu wokerati with green ideals and of course a bit of money.

    Everything he does on X seems designed to f*ck this group right off.
    Tesla is facing the perfect storm of:

    1. An ageing lineup
    2. Serious competition, from both BYD and European carmakers
    3. A CEO who seems determined to trash his firm's brand

    I would not like to be a Tesla shareholder.
    The superchargers are good though, even if they do hide them. Work seamlessly from the app and much cheaper than the competition. Just a pity the coverage is so patchy.
    Yep: on a recent trip down from Napa back to LA, I made two brief stops - one was at a Tesla Supercharger and one at a Rivian equivalent. Both were great.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,281
    TimS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for Model Y

    @Reuters

    Tesla's sales continued to struggle in key European markets in August, marking the eighth consecutive month of declines as the electric vehicle maker faced growing competition and consumer backlash tied to CEO Elon Musk's political affiliations

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1962624001400082837

    His key market is tofu wokerati with green ideals and of course a bit of money.

    Everything he does on X seems designed to f*ck this group right off.
    Tesla is facing the perfect storm of:

    1. An ageing lineup
    2. Serious competition, from both BYD and European carmakers
    3. A CEO who seems determined to trash his firm's brand

    I would not like to be a Tesla shareholder.
    We’re seeing a lot more large non-Tesla EVs on the roads now and that must be helping to normalise the idea that no longer is the large luxury EV synonymous with Tesla, but is simply a category. A bit like Hoovers, or more recently the bagless versions pioneered by Dyson.

    To me it’s not about Tesla vs BYD or MG. It’s the trad car manufacturers now getting properly into the category. On a short drive these days I’m likely to pass a Polestar 2 or 3, a Volvo EX40, a Hyundai Ioniq 5, a Kia EV6 or EV9, a Skoda Enyaq, a Mercedes EQ range and so on. There will be Teslas too, but they no longer dominate.
    The Ioniq 5 is a great car. If I were moving to the UK, and buying an EV, that's the one I would buy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,616
    I know there's a few lovers of the ancients on here.

    Be ready people...


    The Odyssey (2026 film)

    The Odyssey is an upcoming epic action fantasy film written and directed by Christopher Nolan.

    Filming took place from February to August 2025 throughout various regions worldwide, including Morocco, Greece, Italy, Scotland, Iceland, and Western Sahara. With an estimated production budget of $250 million, it is poised to be the most expensive film of Nolan's career and the first blockbuster to be shot entirely using 70 mm IMAX film cameras.

    The Odyssey is scheduled to be theatrically released in the United States on July 17, 2026.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(2026_film)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,687

    Seems I have touched a nerve this evening.

    I'm going to plot gilts against Reform's vote share and then you can use that graph as your profile pic.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,687

    I know there's a few lovers of the ancients on here.

    Be ready people...


    The Odyssey (2026 film)

    The Odyssey is an upcoming epic action fantasy film written and directed by Christopher Nolan.

    Filming took place from February to August 2025 throughout various regions worldwide, including Morocco, Greece, Italy, Scotland, Iceland, and Western Sahara. With an estimated production budget of $250 million, it is poised to be the most expensive film of Nolan's career and the first blockbuster to be shot entirely using 70 mm IMAX film cameras.

    The Odyssey is scheduled to be theatrically released in the United States on July 17, 2026.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(2026_film)

    Saw them filming it up in the north of Scotland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,768

    I know there's a few lovers of the ancients on here.

    Be ready people...


    The Odyssey (2026 film)

    The Odyssey is an upcoming epic action fantasy film written and directed by Christopher Nolan.

    Filming took place from February to August 2025 throughout various regions worldwide, including Morocco, Greece, Italy, Scotland, Iceland, and Western Sahara. With an estimated production budget of $250 million, it is poised to be the most expensive film of Nolan's career and the first blockbuster to be shot entirely using 70 mm IMAX film cameras.

    The Odyssey is scheduled to be theatrically released in the United States on July 17, 2026.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(2026_film)

    I predict this will be the last movie made with such a budget. Because, obvs
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,322

    I know there's a few lovers of the ancients on here.

    Be ready people...


    The Odyssey (2026 film)

    The Odyssey is an upcoming epic action fantasy film written and directed by Christopher Nolan.

    Filming took place from February to August 2025 throughout various regions worldwide, including Morocco, Greece, Italy, Scotland, Iceland, and Western Sahara. With an estimated production budget of $250 million, it is poised to be the most expensive film of Nolan's career and the first blockbuster to be shot entirely using 70 mm IMAX film cameras.

    The Odyssey is scheduled to be theatrically released in the United States on July 17, 2026.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(2026_film)

    I find Nolan to be good but still way overhyped, but an interesting project for him.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,687
    Andy_JS said:

    I keep seeing car parks with large numbers of electric chargers and only one or two of them being used.

    Because everyone is charging at home so it's not worth paying the extra to do it in a car park.

    You only really need 3 types of charger: 1) Off your house 2) on-street in areas with flats or terraces 3) rapid chargers at the House of Bruar. The Morrisons car park ones seem redundant to me.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,231
    edited September 1
    I can't believe most Labour MPs and supporters are happy with today's announcement about no more family reunions of migrants.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,281
    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I keep seeing car parks with large numbers of electric chargers and only one or two of them being used.

    Because everyone is charging at home so it's not worth paying the extra to do it in a car park.

    You only really need 3 types of charger: 1) Off your house 2) on-street in areas with flats or terraces 3) rapid chargers at the House of Bruar. The Morrisons car park ones seem redundant to me.
    This is spot on: they aren't quick enough to be useful, given you won't be at Morrison's more than 40 minutes. What's the use of adding 3KWh to your battery?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,908
    Andy_JS said:

    I can't believe most Labour MPs and supporters are happy with today's announcement about no more family reunions of migrants.

    Not the announcement. She has temporarily suspended them pending rule changes. To avoid a rush of applications under the old rules, presumably.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,281

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Gotta say, I didn't know Walter Reed had a golf course...

    All this speculation could be stopped if he got out and shouted at the press.

    The longer this goes on the more likely it is that _something_ has happened. But what?


    If Vance becomes El Presidente, what next?
    Some vague focus and sanity?
    Focus, yes. Sanity? Not convinced.
    I honestly think Vance remains an engima.

    What does he really believe?

    What would he actually do if given the presidency?

    The guy who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and the guy who now spends his days licking Trump's toes to pleasure him just seem like two different people.

    Whatever else he may be he is not a moron nor a stupid, deliberately know-nothing in the way Trump is.

    Indeed: and he's married to an accomplished lawyer of Indian origin.
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