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  • isamisam Posts: 42,398
    Regarding the poll that showed 35% saying Lucy Connolly's sentence was too harsh, 32% saying about right, and 20% saying too lenient, isn't there an argument that the "about right" option is probably inflated by people who nod along unthinkingly to authority? We saw during covid, the Milgram experiment, and German's actions in the 30's that a lot of people just accept things from above no matter what
  • TresTres Posts: 3,017

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,098
    Sean_F said:

    Ed Davey boycotts the state dinner and Trump dies of shock.

    LibDems winning here!!!

    I've never understood how people could tolerate the State banquets of the 19th century, with seven or eight courses, each with their own wine, followed by port and brandy, and the room cloudy with cigar smoke, and everyone wearing uncomfortable evening clothes.

    In fact, Felix Faure, French President, didn't. He collapses and died, after having sex with his mistress, straight after presiding over a banquet.
    Surely the clothes were comfortable, wealthy people had tailors
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,595
    edited August 30
    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Many would say he hasn't played golf at anytime

    His swing and play is absurd, considering how much coaching is available to him, and the mysterious sudden find of lost balls is quite remarkable
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,941
    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    The BMG poll gives a result of Reform 445, Labour 75, Lib Dem 50, SNP 36, Con 17.

    But, on topic, Labour still retains a plurality of seats in London, with 33 to 30 for Reform.

    Unless the useless occupant of No. 10 renounces all his previous convictions and leaves the ECHR, this is where the next election is headed, IMO.
    75% of Labour voters want to stay in the ECHR, so Starmer won't be doing that
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/06/06/7bca7/1
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,684
    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Probably like your average Soviet dictator, the rumours of death, as opposed to disability, have little substance.

    We won't know he's actually dead until Fox go blackscreen with the MAGA equivalent of Swan Lake.
    (YMCA seems slightly inappropriate; any suggestions ?)
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,035
    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    And yet he’s miraculously reduced his golf handicap in that time.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,898
    Sean_F said:

    Ed Davey boycotts the state dinner and Trump dies of shock.

    LibDems winning here!!!

    I've never understood how people could tolerate the State banquets of the 19th century, with seven or eight courses, each with their own wine, followed by port and brandy, and the room cloudy with cigar smoke, and everyone wearing uncomfortable evening clothes.

    In fact, Felix Faure, French President, didn't. He collapses and died, after having sex with his mistress, straight after presiding over a banquet.
    I believe that event served as a background to the underrated Paris Police 1900.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,941
    MattW said:

    My observations on the potential Epping demonstrations. I'm being a bit speculative in parts, and my biases are known.

    Police have some restrictions in place, after indications that demonstrators who were at Cheshunt were going to head to Epping. From the piccies on the Guardian live blog, it is spearheaded by Homeland Party people, who are 'British fascist' / white nationalist (word used in its correct definition - like the BNP. I'm not being rhetorical on that point).

    Callum Barker is there, making a speech from the same pickup as used on the first round of Epping demonstrations, and the women in their "Save our Kids" pink Ts. It is imo more clearly a Homeland Party animated event than last time. There is also a visible "I am Tommy Robinson" flag.

    I think that could be a risk for politicians, especially Cons, who turn up. It's potentially (low probability?) risky for Jenrick, as there are people there of an anti-semitic / holocaust denial stripe, and that could but him all over the Jewish press. He already managed to get himself pictured standing next to a major league former BNP / Combat-18 activist a couple of weeks ago last time he turned up. Combat-18 are a banned neo-Nazi group (18 = "AH").

    I think it could be be an elephant trap for any national pol who turns up. I don't see Farage or other RefUKers appearing, as imo they are pivoting to the centre a little in their marketing, and won't want the association. Some of the GB News outriders or ex-staffers or those building a personal brand may go for a different tack (Martin Daubney?).

    Guardian live blog:
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/aug/29/latest-live-uk-politics-news-updates-asylum-hotels-labour-conservatives-reform?page=with:block-68b2146e8f08b0d009a2852d#block-68b2146e8f08b0d009a2852d

    No Tory councillors or MPs have turned up to the Epping protests bar Jenrick.

    Reform councillors have though, including ECC and EFDC Reform councillor McIvor and a Reform Ongar Towh councillor who has now been expelled for comments made
    https://inews.co.uk/news/reform-councillor-suspended-racist-posts-epping-hotel-protests-3883933?srsltid=AfmBOorttTiMVRhT4pRMDB8YgEdFw18nvJsfi6qH59CNoN3uKGnkSH0T
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,035
    Nigelb said:

    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Probably like your average Soviet dictator, the rumours of death, as opposed to disability, have little substance.

    We won't know he's actually dead until Fox go blackscreen with the MAGA equivalent of Swan Lake.
    (YMCA seems slightly inappropriate; any suggestions ?)
    AC/DC’s Highway to Hell?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,684
    boulay said:

    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    And yet he’s miraculously reduced his golf handicap in that time.
    The handicap being the rules ?
    Reduced to the point of invisibility.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,484
    Speaking of Leon, his favourite ancient statues have had their crown usurped.

    Archaeologists have unearthed ancient structures in Turkey that could represent the world's earliest human settlement.

    The discovery was made at Mendik Tepe, near Göbekli Tepe, the 12,000-year-old site known for its monumental stone pillars and early rituals.

    Experts revealed this week that the newly uncovered structures likely predate Göbekli Tepe, placing them 7,000 years before Stonehenge and extending the timeline of organized settlements and monumental building beyond what scholars once thought.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-15046957/structures-older-Stonehenge-turkey.html
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,115
    Leon said:

    I see the “Most Read” article on the Spectator is advocating that Sir Keir calls a new EU Referendum - a vote in which the PM should campaign for Rejoin!!

    How times have changed

    Um. 'Most read' does not equate to 'most liked'. Is there any indication ...?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,941
    edited August 30
    trukat said:

    HYUFD said:

    You could make a case for several from across the spectrum.

    For instance, James Cleverly has been mentioned a lot; Jenrick might fancy the Boris route to Downing Street; Boris (as boulay suggests); Dawn Butler has a better, more natural, walk-and-talk game than Jenrick imo, although she seems mainly to be campaigning against gambling outlets on high streets. Anyway, you get the picture. Best to wait for the runners and riders imo.

    I understand James Cleverly will not be running for Mayor of London which is why he rejoined the shadow cabinet.

    His premise for running was winning on a low share under FPTP but now Labour have gone back to the supplementary vote system his interested has waned.
    If that is true then Cleverly could well be Tory leader by this time next year if Kemi has not improved the Tory voteshare
    You would be far better off with the former health sec and cote, if you cannot persuade him just keep Kemi.
    Hunt does not have the support in either the parliamentary party or the membership Cleverly and Jenrick do.

    He also might win over a handful of LDs but wouldn't win back any voters from Reform and might even leak some to Reform still voting Tory under Kemi
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,484
    edited August 30

    Rumour doing the rounds on BlueSky that The Donald has carked it.

    Absolutely no evidence to support this whatsoever that I can see.

    If he has carked it then the PB headline will be 'Ayrshire hotelier dies and is replaced by a lawyer.'
    But unfortunately not a Cambridge educated lawyer,
    If only he had gone to Harvard not Yale.
    Thanks. Now I've got that song about camels and hedgehogs stuck in my brain.

    ETA to raise the tone:-
    Lammy = Harvard-educated lawyer
    Vance = Yale-educated lawyer
    Jenrick & Braverman = Cambridge-educated lawyers.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,960
    Nigelb said:

    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Probably like your average Soviet dictator, the rumours of death, as opposed to disability, have little substance.

    We won't know he's actually dead until Fox go blackscreen with the MAGA equivalent of Swan Lake.
    (YMCA seems slightly inappropriate; any suggestions ?)
    Pharrell Williams , Happy !
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,816
    nico67 said:

    Rumour doing the rounds on BlueSky that The Donald has carked it.

    Absolutely no evidence to support this whatsoever that I can see.

    Shame I was hoping to book the Mariachi band and put out the bunting ! On second thoughts that would mean we’d get Vance !
    If Trump's dead, we only need the First Nazi on Mars to OD and Farage to be in another aircraft crash and then 2025 will be shaping up to be a decent year. As long as Leeds don't make a habit of getting humped 5-0.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,484
    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Yes, that might be what triggered the health rumours, along with what looked like a cannula bruise on his hand. But I'm not across the alt-right social media networks like some. It does appear the speculation is driven by the MAGA right, not woke Democrats.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,892
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    I think Boris might be an outside bet - his new svelte form and macho bearded Viking look suggests he’s getting ready for something.

    Plus the Boriswave will be something that will be a positive in London.
    It’s high profile enough and a good title to use around the world. “Mayor of London” works in the US and probably adds to his bankability. Not a huge workload/responsibility but a pulpit to bloviate from.
    After his premiership, after Partygate, after Brexit (for those on the left), after the Boriswave (for those on the right)... he's got no chance.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,684
    Former head of Ukraine's parliament assassinated.

    This guy.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,686

    Speaking of Leon, his favourite ancient statues have had their crown usurped.

    Archaeologists have unearthed ancient structures in Turkey that could represent the world's earliest human settlement.

    The discovery was made at Mendik Tepe, near Göbekli Tepe, the 12,000-year-old site known for its monumental stone pillars and early rituals.

    Experts revealed this week that the newly uncovered structures likely predate Göbekli Tepe, placing them 7,000 years before Stonehenge and extending the timeline of organized settlements and monumental building beyond what scholars once thought.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-15046957/structures-older-Stonehenge-turkey.html

    Er, this is the same place as Gobekli Tepe

    It’s the collective site now known as the “Tas Tepeler”. Every discovery here confirms the conclusion, controversially reached by a Spectator writer - in their second most read article of 2023 - that what we are unearthing here is an entire buried civilisation. At LEAST 12,000 years old
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,484
    On the subject of presidents walking towards the light:-

    Frail Bill Clinton, 79, sparks health fears as he and Hillary are seen leaving Hamptons with defibrillator
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15047921/bill-clinton-health-fears-defibrillator-hamptons-hillary.html
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,583

    Rumour doing the rounds on BlueSky that The Donald has carked it.

    Absolutely no evidence to support this whatsoever that I can see.

    I am beginning to suspect that things reported on social media aren't always entirely accurate.
    You cannot be serious!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,583
    Thought provoking article in the Guardian by Rowan Williams (a former Archbishop of Canterbury for those who've forgotten)

    Ordinary people outside hotels raging at ordinary people inside them: that’s the tragedy of this refugee controversy. Anyone who has met refugees sees the ordinariness of their hopes and dreams. If we reject their humanity, how can we be proud of ourselves?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,684

    Rumour doing the rounds on BlueSky that The Donald has carked it.

    Absolutely no evidence to support this whatsoever that I can see.

    I am beginning to suspect that things reported on social media aren't always entirely accurate.
    I'm also watching the @dieworkwear feed to see if Obama posts a query about wearing tan suits at state funerals.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,941
    Mussolini's great-grandson makes Serie A debut
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2l74klqpkwo
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,583
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mussolini's great-grandson makes Serie A debut
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2l74klqpkwo

    Playing on the Right Wing?
    Well, a right-sided player, but, apparently, a full-back. Got more hair than some Mussolini's had.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,575

    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    I was asleep last night after a hard day drinking my way around the Steiemarkt wine route (love the Morrilon, avoid the Weltschriesling) so I missed this gem

    Let us fetch it into the light once again, because: wow

    BMG full figures with changes since their last poll from 29-31 July

    Ref 35% (+3)
    Lab 20% (-3)
    Con 17% (-1)
    LD 13% (nc)
    Grn 7% (-1)
    SNP 2% (nc)
    PC 1% (nc)
    Oth 5% (+2)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    Reform would certainly win a general election tomorrow but a general election isn't due for nearly four years.

    By then net immigration could have fallen further, the asylum hotels been shut, the Tories won back some voters from Reform and tactical voting against Farage on the rise
    #2 would require some desire on the part of government and state to do so.
    Actually, I suppose it's perfectly feasible that the asylum hotels will be shut simply by granting absolutely everyone asylum, which appears to be what govvernment and state fundamentally want to do. But I don't imagine this driving Reform voters back to Labour.
    If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels

    At the moment Labour could do with just sending some Reform voters back to the Tories.

    Reform on 35% means Farage likely wins even with some tactical votes for Labour.

    Labour 26%, Reform 24% and the Tories 24% likely gives Labour most seats in a hung parliament
    Good morning

    'If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels'

    Please explain the grounds for refusal based on planning law, not politics
    Trouble is that plenty of council.planming committees think they can refuse things without convincing planning law, but just because they/their voters don't like it.

    If the developer has enough determination and money, they then win on appeal. That then becomes more grist to the "out of touch judges thwart the will of the people" mill.

    Which would probably suit a lot of politicians fine in this case.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,892

    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Yes, that might be what triggered the health rumours, along with what looked like a cannula bruise on his hand. But I'm not across the alt-right social media networks like some. It does appear the speculation is driven by the MAGA right, not woke Democrats.
    The MAGA right being drawn to baseless speculation? My flabber is even more gasted.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,767

    Musk now shilling for Advance UK. Farage must be properly fucked off

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961707976101683378

    Honestly WTF

    He needs, as a few Wall Street talking heads have been saying, drop this crap and focus on Tesla as a business.

    He knows little about UK politics and I doubt supporting rTommeh will endear him to people.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,767
    Nigelb said:

    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Probably like your average Soviet dictator, the rumours of death, as opposed to disability, have little substance.

    We won't know he's actually dead until Fox go blackscreen with the MAGA equivalent of Swan Lake.
    (YMCA seems slightly inappropriate; any suggestions ?)
    I think if Trump is pushing up daisies then we would know about it, as there could be no hiding it. If he was seriously ill, then keeping hush would make more sense.

    In terms of music I would go with Chumbawamba:

    https://open.spotify.com/track/3OlXDh31sBuXhMzR06WC92?si=mZuMAabtQYuHHn5zWbe-ng
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,816
    Taz said:

    Musk now shilling for Advance UK. Farage must be properly fucked off

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961707976101683378

    Honestly WTF

    He needs, as a few Wall Street talking heads have been saying, drop this crap and focus on Tesla as a business.

    He knows little about UK politics and I doubt supporting rTommeh will endear him to people.

    The fuccboi seems to have a burning obsession with the demographic composition of a few Western European countries. I wonder why.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,686
    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,898
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mussolini's great-grandson makes Serie A debut
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2l74klqpkwo

    Playing on the Right Wing?
    Goalhanger..
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,197
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    I was asleep last night after a hard day drinking my way around the Steiemarkt wine route (love the Morrilon, avoid the Weltschriesling) so I missed this gem

    Let us fetch it into the light once again, because: wow

    BMG full figures with changes since their last poll from 29-31 July

    Ref 35% (+3)
    Lab 20% (-3)
    Con 17% (-1)
    LD 13% (nc)
    Grn 7% (-1)
    SNP 2% (nc)
    PC 1% (nc)
    Oth 5% (+2)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    Reform would certainly win a general election tomorrow but a general election isn't due for nearly four years.

    By then net immigration could have fallen further, the asylum hotels been shut, the Tories won back some voters from Reform and tactical voting against Farage on the rise
    I think it's more likely Reform's support will go up than down over that time.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,720
    Leon said:

    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/

    I'm glad you're on @Leon. I'd like to thank you for encouraging us to look into the Dundee story, as it's clear that you were appalled at an innocent Bulgarian being threatened with weapons by a young girl. This highlights very well the way low-IQ shitbags are encouraging people to attack and threaten innocent immigrants.

    I'm glad you've changed from being one of those low-IQ shitbags to being someone pro-immigrants. There is hope for you yet!
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,767
    Leon said:

    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/

    Stainz is where senior Austrian Nazis used to have masturbating contests in the forties. Early forties obvs.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,197
    edited August 30
    fpt
    isam said:

    Has anyone got any dirt on BMG? Are they run by Douglas Murray or Arron Banks?

    They're published in the left-of-centre i newspaper and the firm is a "member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules."

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-shock-15-point-lead-labour-farage-power-3887857
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,484
    Trump in talks to deploy private army to Ukraine
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/30/trump-talks-deploy-private-army-ukraine/ (£££)

    American military contractors (don't call them mercenaries but...)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,686

    Leon said:

    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/

    I'm glad you're on @Leon. I'd like to thank you for encouraging us to look into the Dundee story, as it's clear that you were appalled at an innocent Bulgarian being threatened with weapons by a young girl. This highlights very well the way low-IQ shitbags are encouraging people to attack and threaten innocent immigrants.

    I'm glad you've changed from being one of those low-IQ shitbags to being someone pro-immigrants. There is hope for you yet!
    The Styrian river trout is exceptional here at “Terra”. You MUST pair it with the Kaariegel “Natur Weiss” Steirmarkt Sauvignon Blanc, probably the 2023 is best
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,035
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/

    Stainz is where senior Austrian Nazis used to have masturbating contests in the forties. Early forties obvs.
    They should have just crossed the border into Germany and gone here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wank_(mountain)#:~:text=The Wank (German pronunciation: [,5,840 ft) at the summit.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,484

    Leon said:

    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/

    I'm glad you're on @Leon. I'd like to thank you for encouraging us to look into the Dundee story, as it's clear that you were appalled at an innocent Bulgarian being threatened with weapons by a young girl. This highlights very well the way low-IQ shitbags are encouraging people to attack and threaten innocent immigrants.

    I'm glad you've changed from being one of those low-IQ shitbags to being someone pro-immigrants. There is hope for you yet!
    Welcome to Britain's Bronx: Towers stuffed with addicts and migrants, children selling crack, and poverty, prostitution and murders. As video of girl allegedly wielding an axe goes viral...
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15047841/Britains-Bronx-addicts-migrants-crack-poverty-prostitution-murders-graham-grant.html (£££)

    Lochee, Dundee. Once the thriving hub of the jute trade, now just another symbol of deindustrialisation.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 455
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    I was asleep last night after a hard day drinking my way around the Steiemarkt wine route (love the Morrilon, avoid the Weltschriesling) so I missed this gem

    Let us fetch it into the light once again, because: wow

    BMG full figures with changes since their last poll from 29-31 July

    Ref 35% (+3)
    Lab 20% (-3)
    Con 17% (-1)
    LD 13% (nc)
    Grn 7% (-1)
    SNP 2% (nc)
    PC 1% (nc)
    Oth 5% (+2)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    Reform would certainly win a general election tomorrow but a general election isn't due for nearly four years.

    By then net immigration could have fallen further, the asylum hotels been shut, the Tories won back some voters from Reform and tactical voting against Farage on the rise
    I think it's more likely Reform's support will go up than down over that time.
    Maybe, maybe not. A week is a long time in politics, events dear boy, events etc.

    I'm finding it very hard to be optimistic as things stand. The elite deserve a good kicking but I'm very unenthusiastic about who might replace them. Farage seems like a one man band who'll surround himself with yes men. Neither does he seem like the sort of patriot who respects our institutions much. You now have solid conservatives in Europe like Merz and Meloni but I suspect he prefers the orange creature in the White House. Badenoch and Jenrick may have started to get the Tories going but a bit late in the day. If Reform are polling a 2:1 ratio over the Tories surely they're in danger of getting squeezed in the middle.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,772
    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rumour doing the rounds on BlueSky that The Donald has carked it.

    Absolutely no evidence to support this whatsoever that I can see.

    If he has carked it then the PB headline will be 'Ayrshire hotelier dies and is replaced by a lawyer.'
    But unfortunately not a Cambridge educated lawyer,
    If only he had gone to Harvard not Yale.
    Vance would be the first Republican President who was a lawyer since Gerald Ford
    Also the first Republican president to follow an active criminal since Ford.

    A nice symmetry.
    I miss Williamglenn

    J.D. “JUST DANCE” VANCE, WHO NOBODY LIKED UNTIL TRUMP PICKED HIM OUT OF THE "BARGAIN BIN" IN THE WALMART CLEARANCE SECTION, WENT ON FOX TO TRASH ME, GAVIN C. NEWSOM, AMERICA'S MOST POPULAR GOVERNOR. THE DANCING QUEEN CAN’T STOP! I LIVE RENT-FREE IN HIS HEAD (VERY TINY SPACE, ALMOST NO ROOM WITH "THE COUCH"). HE IS VERY WEAK... THE GUY CAN'T RUN, TAKES MORE "VACATIONS" THAN ANY VICE PRESIDENT IN HISTORY (AND WE’VE HAD SOME LAZY ONES!), GOT CAUGHT TAKING PHOTOS IN THE BATHROOM (VERY SICK!) ..
    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1961224278390477025
    https://x.com/TheRealThelmaJ1/status/1961316401370808750
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,772

    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    Yes, that might be what triggered the health rumours, along with what looked like a cannula bruise on his hand. But I'm not across the alt-right social media networks like some. It does appear the speculation is driven by the MAGA right, not woke Democrats.
    He has bruises on both hands
  • isamisam Posts: 42,398
    Andy_JS said:

    fpt

    isam said:

    Has anyone got any dirt on BMG? Are they run by Douglas Murray or Arron Banks?

    They're published in the left-of-centre i newspaper and the firm is a "member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules."

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-shock-15-point-lead-labour-farage-power-3887857
    After the policy fiasco this week as well, whatever next?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,720
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/

    I'm glad you're on @Leon. I'd like to thank you for encouraging us to look into the Dundee story, as it's clear that you were appalled at an innocent Bulgarian being threatened with weapons by a young girl. This highlights very well the way low-IQ shitbags are encouraging people to attack and threaten innocent immigrants.

    I'm glad you've changed from being one of those low-IQ shitbags to being someone pro-immigrants. There is hope for you yet!
    The Styrian river trout is exceptional here at “Terra”. You MUST pair it with the Kaariegel “Natur Weiss” Steirmarkt Sauvignon Blanc, probably the 2023 is best
    I take it back. Your IQ is so hilariously low that you cannot even understand what I wrote. :)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,846
    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    The BMG poll gives a result of Reform 445, Labour 75, Lib Dem 50, SNP 36, Con 17.

    But, on topic, Labour still retains a plurality of seats in London, with 33 to 30 for Reform.

    Unless the useless occupant of No. 10 renounces all his previous convictions and leaves the ECHR, this is where the next election is headed, IMO.
    75% of Labour voters want to stay in the ECHR, so Starmer won't be doing that
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/06/06/7bca7/1
    Leaving the ECHR would tear the Labour Party apart. I can see why some red wall MPs and government pragmatists might come to see it as part of the solution, but the Party’s activist class and a chunk of its metropolitan voter base would be appalled. Starmer would have to play a remarkable game of 4D chess to keep the party together to support such a policy, and for all his previous skill in party management in opposition I think that is well beyond him. It also presupposes that Starmer would go for it as an option, which given his background is rather unlikely IMHO.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,316

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    The BMG poll gives a result of Reform 445, Labour 75, Lib Dem 50, SNP 36, Con 17.

    But, on topic, Labour still retains a plurality of seats in London, with 33 to 30 for Reform.

    Unless the useless occupant of No. 10 renounces all his previous convictions and leaves the ECHR, this is where the next election is headed, IMO.
    75% of Labour voters want to stay in the ECHR, so Starmer won't be doing that
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/06/06/7bca7/1
    Leaving the ECHR would tear the Labour Party apart. I can see why some red wall MPs and government pragmatists might come to see it as part of the solution, but the Party’s activist class and a chunk of its metropolitan voter base would be appalled. Starmer would have to play a remarkable game of 4D chess to keep the party together to support such a policy, and for all his previous skill in party management in opposition I think that is well beyond him. It also presupposes that Starmer would go for it as an option, which given his background is rather unlikely IMHO.
    Do Labour activists want another decade in the wilderness? Thems the brakes.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,476
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    My observations on the potential Epping demonstrations. I'm being a bit speculative in parts, and my biases are known.

    Police have some restrictions in place, after indications that demonstrators who were at Cheshunt were going to head to Epping. From the piccies on the Guardian live blog, it is spearheaded by Homeland Party people, who are 'British fascist' / white nationalist (word used in its correct definition - like the BNP. I'm not being rhetorical on that point).

    Callum Barker is there, making a speech from the same pickup as used on the first round of Epping demonstrations, and the women in their "Save our Kids" pink Ts. It is imo more clearly a Homeland Party animated event than last time. There is also a visible "I am Tommy Robinson" flag.

    I think that could be a risk for politicians, especially Cons, who turn up. It's potentially (low probability?) risky for Jenrick, as there are people there of an anti-semitic / holocaust denial stripe, and that could but him all over the Jewish press. He already managed to get himself pictured standing next to a major league former BNP / Combat-18 activist a couple of weeks ago last time he turned up. Combat-18 are a banned neo-Nazi group (18 = "AH").

    I think it could be be an elephant trap for any national pol who turns up. I don't see Farage or other RefUKers appearing, as imo they are pivoting to the centre a little in their marketing, and won't want the association. Some of the GB News outriders or ex-staffers or those building a personal brand may go for a different tack (Martin Daubney?).

    Guardian live blog:
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/aug/29/latest-live-uk-politics-news-updates-asylum-hotels-labour-conservatives-reform?page=with:block-68b2146e8f08b0d009a2852d#block-68b2146e8f08b0d009a2852d

    No Tory councillors or MPs have turned up to the Epping protests bar Jenrick.

    Reform councillors have though, including ECC and EFDC Reform councillor McIvor and a Reform Ongar Towh councillor who has now been expelled for comments made
    https://inews.co.uk/news/reform-councillor-suspended-racist-posts-epping-hotel-protests-3883933?srsltid=AfmBOorttTiMVRhT4pRMDB8YgEdFw18nvJsfi6qH59CNoN3uKGnkSH0T
    The expelled one is described as a District Councillor in the iPaper, but you seem to be right that he is a Town Councillor called James Regan.

    A couple of points:

    1 - Why expel now? This one was exposed back in May, and Farage sat on his hands for months.
    https://x.com/reformexposed/status/1926165896625598614

    2 - Jaymey McIvor is one to watch. His position in Reform is a bit like Lee Anderson - he was their first County Councillor, and is on the core Reform party team as Head of Local Government. It will be interesting to see whether he appears again, or is expelled.

    I'd say that Farage will tell him to keep his head down, and stay away.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,846
    edited August 30
    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    The BMG poll gives a result of Reform 445, Labour 75, Lib Dem 50, SNP 36, Con 17.

    But, on topic, Labour still retains a plurality of seats in London, with 33 to 30 for Reform.

    Unless the useless occupant of No. 10 renounces all his previous convictions and leaves the ECHR, this is where the next election is headed, IMO.
    75% of Labour voters want to stay in the ECHR, so Starmer won't be doing that
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/06/06/7bca7/1
    Leaving the ECHR would tear the Labour Party apart. I can see why some red wall MPs and government pragmatists might come to see it as part of the solution, but the Party’s activist class and a chunk of its metropolitan voter base would be appalled. Starmer would have to play a remarkable game of 4D chess to keep the party together to support such a policy, and for all his previous skill in party management in opposition I think that is well beyond him. It also presupposes that Starmer would go for it as an option, which given his background is rather unlikely IMHO.
    Do Labour activists want another decade in the wilderness? Thems the brakes.
    Fundamentally, probably, yes, some of them would see it as enough of a red line. Never underestimate the blind idealism that permeates some quarters of the Labour Party.

    Edit: but to be fair and give the Labour Party some credit, they have been ideologically consistent on the topic of human rights for decades now. You can argue that they have been part of the reason a cottage industry has grown around international human rights law and gummed up the courts and government policy, but it is something that they have argued for and which has delivered some progress and good over the years.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,577
    Starmer names former Bank deputy governor as his chief economic adviser

    "former Bank of England deputy governor Minouche Shafik is set to join Keir Starmer’s team as chief economic adviser."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/29/starmer-names-former-bank-of-england-deputy-governor-as-his-chief-economic-adviser

    This stood out though:

    "she has spent most her working life in organisations focused on resolving global poverty."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,197
    New from the prime minister.

    "Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer

    I am clear: we will not reward illegal entry.

    If you cross the Channel unlawfully, you will be detained and sent back."

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1961709921377894782
  • Andy_JS said:

    New from the prime minister.

    "Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer

    I am clear: we will not reward illegal entry.

    If you cross the Channel unlawfully, you will be detained and sent back."

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1961709921377894782

    Smells like bovine manure to me.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,739
    Andy_JS said:

    New from the prime minister.

    "Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer

    I am clear: we will not reward illegal entry.

    If you cross the Channel unlawfully, you will be detained and sent back."

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1961709921377894782

    "Smash the gangs!"
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,846
    Andy_JS said:

    New from the prime minister.

    "Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer

    I am clear: we will not reward illegal entry.

    If you cross the Channel unlawfully, you will be detained and sent back."

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1961709921377894782

    Nurse! He’s out again!
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,792

    Leon said:

    Me? What am I doing? Oh I’m just having lunch in the famous restaurant “Terra” in Stainz on their terrace over the river by their converted water mall with moss walls with superstar young Austrian chef Maximilian Grandtner and he’s explaining how they make his signature dish of char with star anise and pickled roots even as I pretend to take notes but I’m actually typing this on PB


    https://en.genusspunkt.at/magazine/between-root-world-and-wine-how-terra-in-stainz-is-rethinking-the-taste-of-the-earth/

    I'm glad you're on @Leon. I'd like to thank you for encouraging us to look into the Dundee story, as it's clear that you were appalled at an innocent Bulgarian being threatened with weapons by a young girl. This highlights very well the way low-IQ shitbags are encouraging people to attack and threaten innocent immigrants.

    I'm glad you've changed from being one of those low-IQ shitbags to being someone pro-immigrants. There is hope for you yet!
    Welcome to Britain's Bronx: Towers stuffed with addicts and migrants, children selling crack, and poverty, prostitution and murders. As video of girl allegedly wielding an axe goes viral...
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15047841/Britains-Bronx-addicts-migrants-crack-poverty-prostitution-murders-graham-grant.html (£££)

    Lochee, Dundee. Once the thriving hub of the jute trade, now just another symbol of deindustrialisation.
    Why wasn't Jesus born in Dundee?
    Because they couldn't find three wise men and a virgin.
    A popular joke when I was growing up in Fife.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 455
    Andy_JS said:

    New from the prime minister.

    "Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer

    I am clear: we will not reward illegal entry.

    If you cross the Channel unlawfully, you will be detained and sent back."

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1961709921377894782

    Luckily we can guarantee that all the people crossing the channel will do so lawfully, by claiming asylum.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,898

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    The BMG poll gives a result of Reform 445, Labour 75, Lib Dem 50, SNP 36, Con 17.

    But, on topic, Labour still retains a plurality of seats in London, with 33 to 30 for Reform.

    Unless the useless occupant of No. 10 renounces all his previous convictions and leaves the ECHR, this is where the next election is headed, IMO.
    75% of Labour voters want to stay in the ECHR, so Starmer won't be doing that
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/06/06/7bca7/1
    Leaving the ECHR would tear the Labour Party apart. I can see why some red wall MPs and government pragmatists might come to see it as part of the solution, but the Party’s activist class and a chunk of its metropolitan voter base would be appalled. Starmer would have to play a remarkable game of 4D chess to keep the party together to support such a policy, and for all his previous skill in party management in opposition I think that is well beyond him. It also presupposes that Starmer would go for it as an option, which given his background is rather unlikely IMHO.
    Do Labour activists want another decade in the wilderness? Thems the brakes.
    Fundamentally, probably, yes, some of them would see it as enough of a red line. Never underestimate the blind idealism that permeates some quarters of the Labour Party.
    Taking a card from the Tory Brexiteers book: hammer away at your cause for decades, split your party and make it unelectable for three GEs, finally get your precious referendum which fucks up the country and ultimately destroys your party.
    Lab schismatics seem a bit wishy washy in comparison.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,854
    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,767

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,035

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Was that written by some AI Teenager simulator?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,982

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
  • TresTres Posts: 3,017
    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,316

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Sean_F said:

    The BMG poll gives a result of Reform 445, Labour 75, Lib Dem 50, SNP 36, Con 17.

    But, on topic, Labour still retains a plurality of seats in London, with 33 to 30 for Reform.

    Unless the useless occupant of No. 10 renounces all his previous convictions and leaves the ECHR, this is where the next election is headed, IMO.
    75% of Labour voters want to stay in the ECHR, so Starmer won't be doing that
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/06/06/7bca7/1
    Leaving the ECHR would tear the Labour Party apart. I can see why some red wall MPs and government pragmatists might come to see it as part of the solution, but the Party’s activist class and a chunk of its metropolitan voter base would be appalled. Starmer would have to play a remarkable game of 4D chess to keep the party together to support such a policy, and for all his previous skill in party management in opposition I think that is well beyond him. It also presupposes that Starmer would go for it as an option, which given his background is rather unlikely IMHO.
    Do Labour activists want another decade in the wilderness? Thems the brakes.
    Fundamentally, probably, yes, some of them would see it as enough of a red line. Never underestimate the blind idealism that permeates some quarters of the Labour Party.

    Edit: but to be fair and give the Labour Party some credit, they have been ideologically consistent on the topic of human rights for decades now. You can argue that they have been part of the reason a cottage industry has grown around international human rights law and gummed up the courts and government policy, but it is something that they have argued for and which has delivered some progress and good over the years.
    Surely it would be better deemed a Mansion industry, given the costs of most legal action.....

    Labour would be utter, utter fools to believe the tripe about the imperative of the ECHR whipped up by the Process Statists. The ECHR was brought in to tutor Europe in the value of British style rights. It wasn't meant to hamper our own more than adequate legal system and democratic processes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    Corbyn as mayor seems a good fit, he should have gone last time. But he left leaving Labour until he had no choice.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,854
    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    1. Reform look like they are on track to win the election
    2. A splinter party has picked up Musk's support and is much further to the right
    3. That splinter says all the racist things you see Reform supporters complaining their party should say but doesn't
    4. If Advance make progress with support, this could split Reform and remove them as a threat, or we see both of them howling hate at each other after a General election where both win seats
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    Tres said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    FPT. This was posted in February

    rottenborough Posts: 67,561
    February 7
    "Brian Stelter posted a December 9, 2017, quote from the New York Times:

    "Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals."

    Stelter wrote: “I think about this quote a lot.” "

    Heather Richardson email - 'Letters from an American'



    When was the last time he took three consecutive days off?
    I think the death rumour is pretty absurd (to tempt fate - cue an announcement that makes me look a fool).

    Health may be realistic though - he's clearly had a few issues with the hand make-up and so on, is notoriously non-transparent about his health, and is in a difficult position to say "a few days off for a minor op" given the battering he dished out to Biden on the matter. That could realistically be played reasonably close to their chests, particularly if it's not under general anaesthetic, and he's doing light duties (the odd document signed etc).
    PB's Leon pointed to the increased volume of Trump health rumours earlier in the week. The fact that Leon has not mentioned death (unless he has and I missed it) is probably significant.
    A lot of people are saying that Trump hasn't played golf for 17 days.
    That's ICU territory for anyone else.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,982
    Nigelb said:

    Starmer names former Bank deputy governor as his chief economic adviser

    "former Bank of England deputy governor Minouche Shafik is set to join Keir Starmer’s team as chief economic adviser."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/29/starmer-names-former-bank-of-england-deputy-governor-as-his-chief-economic-adviser

    This stood out though:

    "she has spent most her working life in organisations focused on resolving global poverty."

    Good prep for the UK's future ?
    ROFL

    it was just this time last year I was being hounded by the PB Lefties for saying Rachel Reeves is a bag of shit and will trash the economy.

    How's that looking now ?

    Labour have no plan, no courage no clue.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,854

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
    Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,575
    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,398
    edited August 30
    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    It’s called trying too hard
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,854

    Nigelb said:

    Starmer names former Bank deputy governor as his chief economic adviser

    "former Bank of England deputy governor Minouche Shafik is set to join Keir Starmer’s team as chief economic adviser."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/29/starmer-names-former-bank-of-england-deputy-governor-as-his-chief-economic-adviser

    This stood out though:

    "she has spent most her working life in organisations focused on resolving global poverty."

    Good prep for the UK's future ?
    ROFL

    it was just this time last year I was being hounded by the PB Lefties for saying Rachel Reeves is a bag of shit and will trash the economy.

    How's that looking now ?

    Labour have no plan, no courage no clue.
    Wasn't that clear enough in the GE campaign. CHANGE. Whats the policy on x? CHANGE. Ah, so how would you CHANGE

    Right.

    Problem for the political right is that no matter how inept Labour are, they're still a lot better than the Tories.

    Badenoch has been howling away for the whole month, blaming Labour for all the things the Tories did. And the lates poll puts them on 17 seats. Epic.
  • Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    I wouldn't say oh well, the last thing this country needs is a party more racist than Farage gaining traction.

    Farage is bad enough as it is.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,752

    I find it hard to believe those rumours re Trump. News like that would surely leak more widely within a very short space of time.

    Since the whole criminal enterprise is embodied by Trump you could definitely see a Death of Stalin panic engulf the acolytes - paralysed by fear and inaction.
    I’m enjoying imagining various Trumpites taking the Beria role, snivelling for mercy, summarily shot and then burned in a courtyard.
    Nikita Khrushchev: I really need your help.
    Georgy Zhukov: To do what? There's bodies fucking piling up in the street, it's a bit late, isn't it?
    Nikita Khrushchev: What if we blame this on someone...
    Georgy Zhukov: Wait...
    Nikita Khrushchev: Who's out of control?
    Georgy Zhukov: Nicky, be very careful what you say next. Who?
    Nikita Khrushchev: Beria.
    Georgy Zhukov: I'm going to have to report this conversation. Threatening to do harm or obstruct any member of the Presidium in the process of...
    [grins]
    Georgy Zhukov: Look at your fucking face!
    [bursts out laughing]

    Death of Stalin Trump
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,316
    edited August 30

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.

    The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.

    If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,398

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    I wouldn't say oh well, the last thing this country needs is a party more racist than Farage gaining traction.

    Farage is bad enough as it is.
    People trying to make this point seemingly have no recollection of the BNP in the mid naughties to early tens. Or of UKIP from 2017 until now. Or Britain First more recently. There have always been parties to the right of Farage, people just don’t remember them because they never get any votes when they try to compete
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,283

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    In recent times I've been genuinely surprised about how withering much of the British hard-Right has been about Nigel - to the extent that they regard him as a tacit supporter of Muslim grooming gangs. As the racist tendency spreads and more people embrace that movement, will Nigel become more isolated? It's a bit of a paradox for him.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,197
    edited August 30

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    If the main way of combatting Reform is going to be by talking about racism/fascism, then I think they definitely will win the next election. It's a totally bonkers approach to trying to understand why they're so popular at the moment.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,982

    Nigelb said:

    Starmer names former Bank deputy governor as his chief economic adviser

    "former Bank of England deputy governor Minouche Shafik is set to join Keir Starmer’s team as chief economic adviser."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/29/starmer-names-former-bank-of-england-deputy-governor-as-his-chief-economic-adviser

    This stood out though:

    "she has spent most her working life in organisations focused on resolving global poverty."

    Good prep for the UK's future ?
    ROFL

    it was just this time last year I was being hounded by the PB Lefties for saying Rachel Reeves is a bag of shit and will trash the economy.

    How's that looking now ?

    Labour have no plan, no courage no clue.
    Wasn't that clear enough in the GE campaign. CHANGE. Whats the policy on x? CHANGE. Ah, so how would you CHANGE

    Right.

    Problem for the political right is that no matter how inept Labour are, they're still a lot better than the Tories.

    Badenoch has been howling away for the whole month, blaming Labour for all the things the Tories did. And the lates poll puts them on 17 seats. Epic.
    Better at what ?

    The economy is tanking in just 14 months of their inept care.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,767
    I wonder if @Foxy has a view on this.

    After the game last night it was noted there seemed to be quite a lot of animosity to Demarai Gray from the Leicester fans.

    Did he leave on bad terms ?

    He helped you win the premiership.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,982

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
    Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
    This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    In recent times I've been genuinely surprised about how withering much of the British hard-Right has been about Nigel - to the extent that they regard him as a tacit supporter of Muslim grooming gangs. As the racist tendency spreads and more people embrace that movement, will Nigel become more isolated? It's a bit of a paradox for him.
    I tend to think Farage is quite mainstream, dare i say even Establishment, even though he is very disliked by centrists.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,767

    Nigelb said:

    Starmer names former Bank deputy governor as his chief economic adviser

    "former Bank of England deputy governor Minouche Shafik is set to join Keir Starmer’s team as chief economic adviser."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/29/starmer-names-former-bank-of-england-deputy-governor-as-his-chief-economic-adviser

    This stood out though:

    "she has spent most her working life in organisations focused on resolving global poverty."

    Good prep for the UK's future ?
    ROFL

    it was just this time last year I was being hounded by the PB Lefties for saying Rachel Reeves is a bag of shit and will trash the economy.

    How's that looking now ?

    Labour have no plan, no courage no clue.
    Wasn't that clear enough in the GE campaign. CHANGE. Whats the policy on x? CHANGE. Ah, so how would you CHANGE

    Right.

    Problem for the political right is that no matter how inept Labour are, they're still a lot better than the Tories.

    Badenoch has been howling away for the whole month, blaming Labour for all the things the Tories did. And the lates poll puts them on 17 seats. Epic.
    Better at what ?

    The economy is tanking in just 14 months of their inept care.
    I voted for them and I’d say they’re no better, just the same.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    Probably why Reform, and to a lesser extent the Greens, have seen a growth in their support since the last election.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,476
    edited August 30
    Lordy. RefUK's first member of the House of Lords?

    At least this one wouldn't say anything embarrassing. Imposed from the centre.

    Nigel Farage’s Reform UK Party is advertising for a candidate to run in Croydon’s mayoral elections next May.

    The recruitment ad went out this week. Reform are looking for a replacement, because at the start of this year, they chose as their Croydon mayoral candidate a woman from Yorkshire who had been dead for nearly six months.

    https://insidecroydon.com/2025/08/27/farage-party-picked-a-dead-woman-to-run-for-croydon-mayor/

    Wasn't there one from somewhere who believed in reincarnation? Call the cavalry ...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,982
    Andy_JS said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    If the main way of combatting Reform is going to be by talking about racism/fascism, then I think they definitely will win the next election. It's a totally bonkers approach to trying to understand why they're so popular at the moment.
    calling voters racist and thickos worked really well in the EU referendum.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,892
    Mortimer said:

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.

    The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.

    If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
    This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.

    Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,982
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Starmer names former Bank deputy governor as his chief economic adviser

    "former Bank of England deputy governor Minouche Shafik is set to join Keir Starmer’s team as chief economic adviser."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/29/starmer-names-former-bank-of-england-deputy-governor-as-his-chief-economic-adviser

    This stood out though:

    "she has spent most her working life in organisations focused on resolving global poverty."

    Good prep for the UK's future ?
    ROFL

    it was just this time last year I was being hounded by the PB Lefties for saying Rachel Reeves is a bag of shit and will trash the economy.

    How's that looking now ?

    Labour have no plan, no courage no clue.
    Wasn't that clear enough in the GE campaign. CHANGE. Whats the policy on x? CHANGE. Ah, so how would you CHANGE

    Right.

    Problem for the political right is that no matter how inept Labour are, they're still a lot better than the Tories.

    Badenoch has been howling away for the whole month, blaming Labour for all the things the Tories did. And the lates poll puts them on 17 seats. Epic.
    Better at what ?

    The economy is tanking in just 14 months of their inept care.
    I voted for them and I’d say they’re no better, just the same.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    Probably why Reform, and to a lesser extent the Greens, have seen a growth in their support since the last election.
    Quite.

    The weakness in the argument that Reform would be a disaster is its coming from people who created the current disaster.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,316

    Mortimer said:

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.

    The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.

    If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
    This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.

    Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
    Hundreds of thousands of people arriving every year. Millions arriving in the last 10 years.

    You have to be wilfully blind not to accept that this has happened.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,684
    Senior Pentagon official had affair with ‘notorious’ astrologer who stalked him, lawsuit says
    Anthony Tata, Trump’s undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, files defamation lawsuit in Florida
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/30/pentagon-astrologer-affair-anthony-tata

    Nothing particularly newsworthy here, but this detail…
    .. The lawsuit, seen by the Guardian, claims the pair met on the dating app Bumble in April 2024 when Tata was seeking advice for a book he was writing with astrological elements. It said Tata “was having trouble in his marriage” at the time – and frames their subsequent trysts as “a casual sexual relationship as well as a professional relationship regarding the astrology business”..


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,767

    Mortimer said:

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.

    The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.

    If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
    This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.

    Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
    The right have long since moved on from wanting reduced immigration.

    "If they are black, send them back" is no longer a slogan from the 1970s National Front. It is the policy of the party leading the polls.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,854

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
    Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
    This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
    I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.

    And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,721
    edited August 30
    For info. A Trump schedule tracker:

    https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/topic/calendar/

    Last appearance that wasn't closed to the press was the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday, although closed briefings and lunches have been on the timetable since then, and he went to his golf course in DC both days last weekend.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,982

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
    Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
    This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
    I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.

    And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
    Youve sold out.

    Youre now one of the snobs
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,464
    edited August 30

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
    Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
    “Blow it out your arse.” Is that doric? Will it be on your election leaflet?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,316

    Mortimer said:

    Tres said:

    Taz said:

    This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.

    Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.

    RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.

    We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.

    Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.

    If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.

    In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.

    Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.

    Can this be translated into English ?
    Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
    More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.

    Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.

    Oh well.
    The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.

    The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.

    If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
    This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.

    Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
    I've just realised that your response is in fact the perfect encapsulation of my description of the 'centrist mindset'.
    Unspoofable.
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