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This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
If the main way of combatting Reform is going to be by talking about racism/fascism, then I think they definitely will win the next election. It's a totally bonkers approach to trying to understand why they're so popular at the moment.
Reform is chock full of racists and everyone knows it. We've had newly elected Reform councillors have to quit because what they said has been exposed. Is everyone voting Reform racist? Hell no. Are all the racists voting Reform? Absolutely.
If Advance go for it we will see a neat division. All the blood and soil "patriots" will leave Reform for Advance, and whilst Reform will lose a portion of their support they will be more electable for it.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
Is it snobbish to use apostrophes and full stops? Asking for a friend.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
“Blow it out your arse.” Is that doric?. Will it be on your election leaflet?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
Is it snobbish to use apostrophes and full stops? Asking for a friend.
Use them if you wish, it keeps the anally retentive happy.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
“Blow it out your arse.” Is that doric? Will it be on your election leaflet?
Blaw it oot yer doup would be closest in the spik o’ the Mearns (a bit further south than RP of course).
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
Not all working class are racists. Not even all working class are anti-immigrant. THey are a vocal minority in every 'class'.
Remember it was the working class of London and other cities who stood against Mosely then later the BNP. There is nothing 'working class' about being racist. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that the middle and upper class wannabe big shots are the ones using anti-immigration rhetoric as a tool to incite the working classes and pretend it is the answer to all their genuine problems. Just as Trump used immigration and ;protectionism as a tool to galvanise the working classes in America when actually the issues are far deeper than that.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Anyway, Musk backing Advance UK and Tommeh is definitely politically relevant whatever our resident Pools expert thinks.
Farage is very good at expelling rivals. Because without the heat and light coming off the Nigel, said rival quickly fades into the black. Not this time. Farage was right to keep SYL away, but having feted Musk and failed, there is now this fascist splinter party proposing deporting British citizens because they are brown.
I have no doubt at all that Farage will hack away at the defectors and dismiss them out of hand. But they are the natural evolution of the summer of flags we have had, have SYL and Musk on board and are perfectly capable of eclipsing Reform in creating seductive propaganda.
Split the right and who knows - even the Tories could benefit and win 50 seats.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
If the main way of combatting Reform is going to be by talking about racism/fascism, then I think they definitely will win the next election. It's a totally bonkers approach to trying to understand why they're so popular at the moment.
Reform is chock full of racists and everyone knows it. We've had newly elected Reform councillors have to quit because what they said has been exposed. Is everyone voting Reform racist? Hell no. Are all the racists voting Reform? Absolutely.
If Advance go for it we will see a neat division. All the blood and soil "patriots" will leave Reform for Advance, and whilst Reform will lose a portion of their support they will be more electable for it.
I tend to agree with Isam on this one. Uncouth racist parties have not generally done well in Europe. They’re too obvious. Farage will easily see off the gaggle of fruitcakes splitting off to his right. He is the couth (or couth enough) far right, like his RN counterparts in France who have seen off repeated efforts from more ideologically extreme challengers.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
If the main way of combatting Reform is going to be by talking about racism/fascism, then I think they definitely will win the next election. It's a totally bonkers approach to trying to understand why they're so popular at the moment.
Reform is chock full of racists and everyone knows it. We've had newly elected Reform councillors have to quit because what they said has been exposed. Is everyone voting Reform racist? Hell no. Are all the racists voting Reform? Absolutely.
If Advance go for it we will see a neat division. All the blood and soil "patriots" will leave Reform for Advance, and whilst Reform will lose a portion of their support they will be more electable for it.
Except Farage needs those 'patriots' for a majority. 30-35% for Reform gives him that, 20-25% for Reform with 10% for Advance does not under FPTP. Musk endorsing Advance on X today also means they could have plenty of money if Musk bankrolls them.
Labour and the Tories should be hoping for an Advance surge to split the Reform vote
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
RP has been a Lib Dem for as long as I can remember. Certainly longer than you have been on PB.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
RP has been a Lib Dem for as long as I can remember. Certainly longer than you have been on PB.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
Can this be translated into English ?
Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.
Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.
Oh well.
The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.
The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.
If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.
Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
Due to the tighter measures Sunak brought in mainly
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
As well as a fatcory in Hartlepool I also look after one in Aberdeen where middle class wankers are trying to close the entire town down. They wave their promises of green jobs to ease their conscience, but I havent seen any real ones to date.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
RP has been a Lib Dem for as long as I can remember. Certainly longer than you have been on PB.
Some of us might profit from looking up the eponymous group.
Anyway, Musk backing Advance UK and Tommeh is definitely politically relevant whatever our resident Pools expert thinks.
Farage is very good at expelling rivals. Because without the heat and light coming off the Nigel, said rival quickly fades into the black. Not this time. Farage was right to keep SYL away, but having feted Musk and failed, there is now this fascist splinter party proposing deporting British citizens because they are brown.
I have no doubt at all that Farage will hack away at the defectors and dismiss them out of hand. But they are the natural evolution of the summer of flags we have had, have SYL and Musk on board and are perfectly capable of eclipsing Reform in creating seductive propaganda.
Split the right and who knows - even the Tories could benefit and win 50 seats.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
Not all working class are racists. Not even all working class are anti-immigrant. THey are a vocal minority in every 'class'.
Remember it was the working class of London and other cities who stood against Mosely then later the BNP. There is nothing 'working class' about being racist. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that the middle and upper class wannabe big shots are the ones using anti-immigration rhetoric as a tool to incite the working classes and pretend it is the answer to all their genuine problems. Just as Trump used immigration and ;protectionism as a tool to galvanise the working classes in America when actually the issues are far deeper than that.
Exactly. The problem that Hartlepools and other red wall communities have is endemic poverty and hopelessness. Boats aren't the issue in Stanley because the town in 98% white. And yet residents get filmed abusing foreign students because they have been the victim of propaganda telling them the reason their town is poor is because of people who aren't even there...
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
RP has been a Lib Dem for as long as I can remember. Certainly longer than you have been on PB.
And ?
He was a labour member kicked out, he’ll tell you why, for many years and was a Labour member when he lived in the North East.
Good morning everybody.Another bright summery one here, although the forecast for this evening isn't too good. However, yesterday's, and last night's, rain has made our lawn just a little greener.
Otherwise I suggest we''re still in the political silly season. IMHO there's no way Corbyn will give up his nice, comfortable and above all, safe seat in Westminster for the job of Mayor. If Khan stands he'll be almost unbeatable unless the non-Khan vote coalesces around the second placed candidate. If we had the French system that would be possible, but we don't. And on housing asylum seekers, I think there'll be one noisy row when Parliament gets back to work and then it'll all calm down. Those housed in Epping will have their cases assessed and if necessary appealed quite quickly and those who can work will do so, while those refused will find themselves back in the Pas de Calais if they're lucky or their home countries if not.
On the asylum issue - if we had a government of leaders, then possibly.
The current government are middle managers whose response to legal challenges is to agree to whatever the courts say. Respect for the law is all very well, but they are supposed to be *lawmakers*.
As the Supreme Court said on their judgement on the trans issue - “this is the current state of the law. If you want different, change it.”
Surely the Government has got the outcome they wanted on asylum hotels, so why change the law?
They might well have done so if the Court of Appeal had agreed with the first instance decision that planning law dramatically restricted the ability to use asylum hotels (which Government want to phase out but on a timetable of their own devising).
Similarly, they essentially got the result they wanted on the trans issue - they aren't vocal on that but there is quite plainly no appetite to change the Equality Act to reverse the effect of the decision because the Supreme Court decision was clear and reasonably workable (whereas the alternative was "fuzzy" at best), and it's not a culture war front Starmer has any interest in reopening.
Starmer literally changed his stated principles to match the Supreme Court ruling.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
If the main way of combatting Reform is going to be by talking about racism/fascism, then I think they definitely will win the next election. It's a totally bonkers approach to trying to understand why they're so popular at the moment.
Reform is chock full of racists and everyone knows it. We've had newly elected Reform councillors have to quit because what they said has been exposed. Is everyone voting Reform racist? Hell no. Are all the racists voting Reform? Absolutely.
If Advance go for it we will see a neat division. All the blood and soil "patriots" will leave Reform for Advance, and whilst Reform will lose a portion of their support they will be more electable for it.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
In what way am I dumping on working class communities? Have I not been the person endlessly repeating on here that the red wall isn't as stupid as many make out?
They're voting Reform because every ther choice has failed. Labour failed. Brexit failed. Boris failed. Farage is next - I set this out a few years ago on here - and that we should fear what happens when Farage fails.
Voting to try and change your lot when it is relentlessly shit is smart. That many have started voting instead of abstaining is smart. They know their needs, they don't need outsiders patronising them.
Here I go again, the class snob talking down to the people I've lived with for decades by talking them up.
I was asleep last night after a hard day drinking my way around the Steiemarkt wine route (love the Morrilon, avoid the Weltschriesling) so I missed this gem
Let us fetch it into the light once again, because: wow
BMG full figures with changes since their last poll from 29-31 July
Ref 35% (+3) Lab 20% (-3) Con 17% (-1) LD 13% (nc) Grn 7% (-1) SNP 2% (nc) PC 1% (nc) Oth 5% (+2)
Reform would certainly win a general election tomorrow but a general election isn't due for nearly four years.
By then net immigration could have fallen further, the asylum hotels been shut, the Tories won back some voters from Reform and tactical voting against Farage on the rise
#2 would require some desire on the part of government and state to do so. Actually, I suppose it's perfectly feasible that the asylum hotels will be shut simply by granting absolutely everyone asylum, which appears to be what govvernment and state fundamentally want to do. But I don't imagine this driving Reform voters back to Labour.
If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels
At the moment Labour could do with just sending some Reform voters back to the Tories.
Reform on 35% means Farage likely wins even with some tactical votes for Labour.
Labour 26%, Reform 24% and the Tories 24% likely gives Labour most seats in a hung parliament
Good morning
'If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels'
Please explain the grounds for refusal based on planning law, not politics
Trouble is that plenty of council.planming committees think they can refuse things without convincing planning law, but just because they/their voters don't like it.
If the developer has enough determination and money, they then win on appeal. That then becomes more grist to the "out of touch judges thwart the will of the people" mill.
Which would probably suit a lot of politicians fine in this case.
They can only win on appeal with a legal argument no matter how much their lawyers cost.
It would take the judge ruling in October that using hotels for migrants is a change of use in law anyway for the council to then be able to refuse planning permission at planning cttee
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
If the main way of combatting Reform is going to be by talking about racism/fascism, then I think they definitely will win the next election. It's a totally bonkers approach to trying to understand why they're so popular at the moment.
Reform is chock full of racists and everyone knows it. We've had newly elected Reform councillors have to quit because what they said has been exposed. Is everyone voting Reform racist? Hell no. Are all the racists voting Reform? Absolutely.
If Advance go for it we will see a neat division. All the blood and soil "patriots" will leave Reform for Advance, and whilst Reform will lose a portion of their support they will be more electable for it.
Disagree.
Sure, its one of the scenarios: 1. Advance UK goes nowhere fast, SYL and Musk depart, Reform win big 2. Advance UK break off the lunatic fringe. Reform become more electable in well to do areas (seats like Eastbourne shown as going Reform in the latest poll) but fail in many seats as the pop-right vote fractures. Reform win but its tight 3. Advance UK tear a hole in Reform who see a chunk of defections. Lots of accusations of the other faction being traitors. Labour form a minority government with a rainbow coalition to shut out the Reform & Advance MPs who make it
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
Not all working class are racists. Not even all working class are anti-immigrant. THey are a vocal minority in every 'class'.
Remember it was the working class of London and other cities who stood against Mosely then later the BNP. There is nothing 'working class' about being racist. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that the middle and upper class wannabe big shots are the ones using anti-immigration rhetoric as a tool to incite the working classes and pretend it is the answer to all their genuine problems. Just as Trump used immigration and ;protectionism as a tool to galvanise the working classes in America when actually the issues are far deeper than that.
Exactly. The problem that Hartlepools and other red wall communities have is endemic poverty and hopelessness. Boats aren't the issue in Stanley because the town in 98% white. And yet residents get filmed abusing foreign students because they have been the victim of propaganda telling them the reason their town is poor is because of people who aren't even there...
Worth remembering some of the strongest Reform support is in the outer suburbs and dormitory towns of (East and South East) London, where employment is plentiful and the population is largely middle class. The very poorest communities continue to vote disproportionately for left wing parties.
Having mainly white surroundings probably means people notice even small changes much more than somewhere like where I live where the population is already very mixed. Then on top of that you have US social media bombarding people with stories of London no go areas, streets flowing with blood, and sharia law.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
As well as a fatcory in Hartlepool I also look after one in Aberdeen where middle class wankers are trying to close the entire town down. They wave their promises of green jobs to ease their conscience, but I havent seen any real ones to date.
There actually are quite a few green jobs being created in the area:
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
No it’s not. But it’s depressing how quickly and reflexively you conflate working class and far right.
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
In what way am I dumping on working class communities? Have I not been the person endlessly repeating on here that the red wall isn't as stupid as many make out?
They're voting Reform because every ther choice has failed. Labour failed. Brexit failed. Boris failed. Farage is next - I set this out a few years ago on here - and that we should fear what happens when Farage fails.
Voting to try and change your lot when it is relentlessly shit is smart. That many have started voting instead of abstaining is smart. They know their needs, they don't need outsiders patronising them.
Here I go again, the class snob talking down to the people I've lived with for decades by talking them up.
The thought that the likes of Johnson, Jenrick, Farage and for that matter Trump being besties with their less refined voters is a remarkable idea. But it is one their fans like to hint at. Not snobs at all, unlike it would appear non-right wingers.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
In what way am I dumping on working class communities? Have I not been the person endlessly repeating on here that the red wall isn't as stupid as many make out?
Absolutely, yes you have. Repeatedly and I do make that point. You have absolutely stood out against a tidal wave of anti working class prejudice with clear insight and a lack of judgement on these people and communities.
Which is why I’m surprised at the heel turn today.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
RP has been a Lib Dem for as long as I can remember. Certainly longer than you have been on PB.
And ?
He was a labour member kicked out, he’ll tell you why, for many years and was a Labour member when he lived in the North East.
If he’s been listening to the pitiful mealy-mouthed hand wringing from Kirsty McNeill on R4 right now, he’ll be well pleased to be away from the Labour Party. I can’t imagine her pitch is going down very well with her own voters, let alone anybody else?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
No it’s not. But it’s depressing how quickly and reflexively you conflate working class and far right.
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
I’m not conflating it, as I point out, others are doing so. Like the guy I was debating with on a local Facebook group this morning. A proud Lib Dem who calls working class people ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
As well as a fatcory in Hartlepool I also look after one in Aberdeen where middle class wankers are trying to close the entire town down. They wave their promises of green jobs to ease their conscience, but I havent seen any real ones to date.
There actually are quite a few green jobs being created in the area:
THE INTERNET IS abuzz with chat on one topic and one topic only this morning: whether the 47th President of the United States, Donald J Trump, has died.
He hasn’t. The speculation seems to be based on three main factors: He hasn’t been out and about in public as normal since Wednesday, he was photographed with a bruise on his hand previously, and the White House flag is at half mast.
The White House flag is at half mast today as a mark of respect for the Minneapolis school shooting victims.
Trump has a clear official schedule for this weekend, but he is booked and busy again come Tuesday.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
As well as a fatcory in Hartlepool I also look after one in Aberdeen where middle class wankers are trying to close the entire town down. They wave their promises of green jobs to ease their conscience, but I havent seen any real ones to date.
There actually are quite a few green jobs being created in the area:
I said real jobs. This is just subsidised unsustaibale nonsense. None of the employers I speak to are having to raise wages because theyre worried about losing their staff. They would create more and sustainble jobs if they got back to North Sea oil.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
Most Reform voters are middle class. Most Brexit voters were middle class. Much of the red wall is middle class, and retired on decent pensions.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
THE INTERNET IS abuzz with chat on one topic and one topic only this morning: whether the 47th President of the United States, Donald J Trump, has died.
He hasn’t. The speculation seems to be based on three main factors: He hasn’t been out and about in public as normal since Wednesday, he was photographed with a bruise on his hand previously, and the White House flag is at half mast.
The White House flag is at half mast today as a mark of respect for the Minneapolis school shooting victims.
Trump has a clear official schedule for this weekend, but he is booked and busy again come Tuesday.
Presumably factor 4 is he hasn't tweeted/posted anything moronic in, ooh, multiple hours.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
Most Reform voters are middle class. Most Brexit voters were middle class. Much of the red wall is middle class, and retired on decent pensions.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
Most of Britain is middle class (A-C1), its not a great surprise therefore that the party leading in the polls gets most of its support from the middle classes.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
Can this be translated into English ?
Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.
Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.
Oh well.
The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.
The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.
If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.
Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
I've just realised that your response is in fact the perfect encapsulation of my description of the 'centrist mindset'. Unspoofable.
Does 'centrist' just mean skeptical of populist nonsense now?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
No it’s not. But it’s depressing how quickly and reflexively you conflate working class and far right.
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
I’m not conflating it, as I point out, others are doing so. Like the guy I was debating with on a local Facebook group this morning. A proud Lib Dem who calls working class people ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’
You’re jumping to two conclusions:
1. That gammon or flag shagger are jibes about class rather than attitude 2. That the actual flag protesters are working class.
I doubt your proud Lib Dem on Facebook used the term working class.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
I don't associate "gammons" with working class.
Weren't gammons the younger brothers of the Turnip Taliban, who did not get the inheritance?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
Most Reform voters are middle class. Most Brexit voters were middle class. Much of the red wall is middle class, and retired on decent pensions.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
I dunno about the red wall being mainly middle class but where I live in North Durham, and the value of our 3 bed detached wouldn’t even get you a 1 bedroom flat in a rough part of London, but the estate I live on is very middle,class.
We were one of the few parts of Durham that didn’t return a Reform councillor.
From Durham I get the impression reform is more popular in the less wealthy working class areas.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
Can this be translated into English ?
Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.
Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.
Oh well.
The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.
The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.
If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.
Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
I've just realised that your response is in fact the perfect encapsulation of my description of the 'centrist mindset'. Unspoofable.
Does 'centrist' just mean skeptical of populist nonsense now?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
In what way am I dumping on working class communities? Have I not been the person endlessly repeating on here that the red wall isn't as stupid as many make out?
They're voting Reform because every ther choice has failed. Labour failed. Brexit failed. Boris failed. Farage is next - I set this out a few years ago on here - and that we should fear what happens when Farage fails.
Voting to try and change your lot when it is relentlessly shit is smart. That many have started voting instead of abstaining is smart. They know their needs, they don't need outsiders patronising them.
Here I go again, the class snob talking down to the people I've lived with for decades by talking them up.
What was it that lady said to Ian Duncan-Smith? - “Those sound like good ideas, but we don’t do politics here. We vote Labour.”
That’s gone away, with a vengeance. Not coming back, either.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
No it’s not. But it’s depressing how quickly and reflexively you conflate working class and far right.
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
I’m not conflating it, as I point out, others are doing so. Like the guy I was debating with on a local Facebook group this morning. A proud Lib Dem who calls working class people ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’
You’re jumping to two conclusions:
1. That gammon or flag shagger are jibes about class rather than attitude 2. That the actual flag protesters are working class.
I doubt your proud Lib Dem on Facebook used the term working class.
You’re right. The flag raisers are not working class. They popped down from Darrass Hall.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
Most Reform voters are middle class. Most Brexit voters were middle class. Much of the red wall is middle class, and retired on decent pensions.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
I dunno about the red wall being mainly middle class but where I live in North Durham, and the value of our 3 bed detached wouldn’t even get you a 1 bedroom flat in a rough part of London, but the estate I live on is very middle,class.
We were one of the few parts of Durham that didn’t return a Reform councillor.
From Durham I get the impression reform is more popular in the less wealthy working class areas.
Twas always the case - Eek twin A has 2 Lib Dem Councillors which given it's Gilesgate and central Durham really isn't a surprise..
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
No it’s not. But it’s depressing how quickly and reflexively you conflate working class and far right.
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
Hitler wasn't especially monied, nor was Mussolini, nor was Nick Griffin nor is Tommy Robinson
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This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
The most snobbish upper middle class voters who used to vote Tory as a mark to distinguish themselves from the working class and tend to live in the Home Counties or the poshest parts of London now since Brexit largely vote LD
Advance isn’t going to succeed Reform or act as a Reform spoiler. At least not yet. There’s been absolutely zero indication that it has any kind of significant following, or ability to attract one. A party with momentum (and Reform, like it or not, has momentum) is not ripe for successful splinter movements.
If Reform enter government and come to be seen as ideological sell-outs, that’s when there could be a splinter.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
Most Reform voters are middle class. Most Brexit voters were middle class. Much of the red wall is middle class, and retired on decent pensions.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
No, most Reform voters are C2DE working class, with whom Reform are on 37% with Yougov.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
Can this be translated into English ?
Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.
Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.
Oh well.
I wouldn't say oh well, the last thing this country needs is a party more racist than Farage gaining traction.
Farage is bad enough as it is.
People trying to make this point seemingly have no recollection of the BNP in the mid naughties to early tens. Or of UKIP from 2017 until now. Or Britain First more recently. There have always been parties to the right of Farage, people just don’t remember them because they never get any votes when they try to compete
The BNP were awful but thankfully never gained that much traction.
UKIP post-2017 were a nothingburger. Britain First are a nothingburger.
Hopefully AdvanceUK remain another nothingburger too. If they gain traction, which was my comment, then that would be awful.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
They were German graffiti artists interrupted before they could complete the sentence?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
Most Reform voters are middle class. Most Brexit voters were middle class. Much of the red wall is middle class, and retired on decent pensions.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
I dunno about the red wall being mainly middle class but where I live in North Durham, and the value of our 3 bed detached wouldn’t even get you a 1 bedroom flat in a rough part of London, but the estate I live on is very middle,class.
We were one of the few parts of Durham that didn’t return a Reform councillor.
From Durham I get the impression reform is more popular in the less wealthy working class areas.
Twas always the case - Eek twin A has 2 Lib Dem Councillors which given it's Gilesgate and central Durham really isn't a surprise..
Yes, I know that. I’m disagreeing with the point most Reform voters are middle class, certainly in Durham. Maybe the case in the U.K. but not here.
I wasn’t surprised CLS South and Lumley didn’t return Reform councillors.
When I worked I used to go to the craft beer bar in Gilesgate every Friday. A steady cycle there, a wobbly one back 🤣
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
I don't associate "gammons" with working class.
Weren't gammons the younger brothers of the Turnip Taliban, who did not get the inheritance?
“Gammon” isn’t a term I use because it’s deliberately insulting and based on looks, but it’s mostly about gender (men), age (retired), attitude, and accent (usually London / Essex). If it’s associated with a milieu it’s not a particularly working class one - more white van, taxi driver, definitely a home owner, takes holiday etc.
I live in one of the most deprived boroughs in the country. There are thousands who are homeless or borderline homeless, in HMOs, jobless or in the informal sector, on multiple benefits, and with one of the worst rates of child policy of any local authority. Ie DE in the class list. I’m not working class myself but by any meaningful measure I am in the middle of one of the most working class milieus in Britain, unless “working class” only means whites.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
They were German graffiti artists interrupted before they could complete the sentence?
They were just paper hangers. No one more obscurer.
I was asleep last night after a hard day drinking my way around the Steiemarkt wine route (love the Morrilon, avoid the Weltschriesling) so I missed this gem
Let us fetch it into the light once again, because: wow
BMG full figures with changes since their last poll from 29-31 July
Ref 35% (+3) Lab 20% (-3) Con 17% (-1) LD 13% (nc) Grn 7% (-1) SNP 2% (nc) PC 1% (nc) Oth 5% (+2)
Reform would certainly win a general election tomorrow but a general election isn't due for nearly four years.
By then net immigration could have fallen further, the asylum hotels been shut, the Tories won back some voters from Reform and tactical voting against Farage on the rise
#2 would require some desire on the part of government and state to do so. Actually, I suppose it's perfectly feasible that the asylum hotels will be shut simply by granting absolutely everyone asylum, which appears to be what govvernment and state fundamentally want to do. But I don't imagine this driving Reform voters back to Labour.
If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels
At the moment Labour could do with just sending some Reform voters back to the Tories.
Reform on 35% means Farage likely wins even with some tactical votes for Labour.
Labour 26%, Reform 24% and the Tories 24% likely gives Labour most seats in a hung parliament
Good morning
'If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels'
Please explain the grounds for refusal based on planning law, not politics
Trouble is that plenty of council.planming committees think they can refuse things without convincing planning law, but just because they/their voters don't like it.
If the developer has enough determination and money, they then win on appeal. That then becomes more grist to the "out of touch judges thwart the will of the people" mill.
Which would probably suit a lot of politicians fine in this case.
They can only win on appeal with a legal argument no matter how much their lawyers cost.
It would take the judge ruling in October that using hotels for migrants is a change of use in law anyway for the council to then be able to refuse planning permission at planning cttee
There will be pressure on Epping Forest councillors and council officers from Westminster, both politicians and civil servants. Will the council leaders and judges MBEs be under threat?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
I don't associate "gammons" with working class.
Weren't gammons the younger brothers of the Turnip Taliban, who did not get the inheritance?
I associate gammons with middle class golf club bores and retired army officers wearing blazers and cravats.
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
I was asleep last night after a hard day drinking my way around the Steiemarkt wine route (love the Morrilon, avoid the Weltschriesling) so I missed this gem
Let us fetch it into the light once again, because: wow
BMG full figures with changes since their last poll from 29-31 July
Ref 35% (+3) Lab 20% (-3) Con 17% (-1) LD 13% (nc) Grn 7% (-1) SNP 2% (nc) PC 1% (nc) Oth 5% (+2)
Reform would certainly win a general election tomorrow but a general election isn't due for nearly four years.
By then net immigration could have fallen further, the asylum hotels been shut, the Tories won back some voters from Reform and tactical voting against Farage on the rise
#2 would require some desire on the part of government and state to do so. Actually, I suppose it's perfectly feasible that the asylum hotels will be shut simply by granting absolutely everyone asylum, which appears to be what govvernment and state fundamentally want to do. But I don't imagine this driving Reform voters back to Labour.
If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels
At the moment Labour could do with just sending some Reform voters back to the Tories.
Reform on 35% means Farage likely wins even with some tactical votes for Labour.
Labour 26%, Reform 24% and the Tories 24% likely gives Labour most seats in a hung parliament
Good morning
'If ruled a change of use then Tory councils could certainly refuse planning permission to such asylum hotels'
Please explain the grounds for refusal based on planning law, not politics
Trouble is that plenty of council.planming committees think they can refuse things without convincing planning law, but just because they/their voters don't like it.
If the developer has enough determination and money, they then win on appeal. That then becomes more grist to the "out of touch judges thwart the will of the people" mill.
Which would probably suit a lot of politicians fine in this case.
They can only win on appeal with a legal argument no matter how much their lawyers cost.
It would take the judge ruling in October that using hotels for migrants is a change of use in law anyway for the council to then be able to refuse planning permission at planning cttee
There will be pressure on Epping Forest councillors and council officers from Westminster, both politicians and civil servants. Will the council leaders and judges MBEs be under threat?
If they ignore public opinion and Farage wins a landslide, yes
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
As well as a fatcory in Hartlepool I also look after one in Aberdeen where middle class wankers are trying to close the entire town down. They wave their promises of green jobs to ease their conscience, but I havent seen any real ones to date.
There actually are quite a few green jobs being created in the area:
I said real jobs. This is just subsidised unsustaibale nonsense. None of the employers I speak to are having to raise wages because theyre worried about losing their staff. They would create more and sustainble jobs if they got back to North Sea oil.
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
Brexit, which sent the upper middle class liberal left and the white working class populist right
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
A lot simpler than that. The working class have become (compared to the population at large) more socially and culturally right wing, the middle classes more socially and culturally globalist and liberal.
This has been the divide in American politics for decades.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
No it’s not. But it’s depressing how quickly and reflexively you conflate working class and far right.
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
Hitler wasn't especially monied, nor was Mussolini, nor was Nick Griffin nor is Tommy Robinson
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
It is impossible to ignore class politics in the UK, particularly England. The reality is that many middle class people define themselves against the working class. John Major's classless society and John Prescott's 'we're all middle class now' feels a long time ago.
Most Reform voters are middle class. Most Brexit voters were middle class. Much of the red wall is middle class, and retired on decent pensions.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
No, most Reform voters are C2DE working class, with whom Reform are on 37% with Yougov.
Reform at the last election did best with C1 and C2 and less well with DE. Labour did worst with C2 and joint best with DE. It looks like the pattern is not dissimilar now.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
Not all working class are racists. Not even all working class are anti-immigrant. THey are a vocal minority in every 'class'.
Remember it was the working class of London and other cities who stood against Mosely then later the BNP. There is nothing 'working class' about being racist. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that the middle and upper class wannabe big shots are the ones using anti-immigration rhetoric as a tool to incite the working classes and pretend it is the answer to all their genuine problems. Just as Trump used immigration and ;protectionism as a tool to galvanise the working classes in America when actually the issues are far deeper than that.
Exactly. The problem that Hartlepools and other red wall communities have is endemic poverty and hopelessness. Boats aren't the issue in Stanley because the town in 98% white. And yet residents get filmed abusing foreign students because they have been the victim of propaganda telling them the reason their town is poor is because of people who aren't even there...
Worth remembering some of the strongest Reform support is in the outer suburbs and dormitory towns of (East and South East) London, where employment is plentiful and the population is largely middle class. The very poorest communities continue to vote disproportionately for left wing parties.
Having mainly white surroundings probably means people notice even small changes much more than somewhere like where I live where the population is already very mixed. Then on top of that you have US social media bombarding people with stories of London no go areas, streets flowing with blood, and sharia law.
yeah these are the voters who left the tories when they noticed they were being led by a black women
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
In what way am I dumping on working class communities? Have I not been the person endlessly repeating on here that the red wall isn't as stupid as many make out?
Absolutely, yes you have. Repeatedly and I do make that point. You have absolutely stood out against a tidal wave of anti working class prejudice with clear insight and a lack of judgement on these people and communities.
Which is why I’m surprised at the heel turn today.
What specific quote have I given which makes you think I’ve turned?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
Can this be translated into English ?
Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.
Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.
Oh well.
The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.
The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.
If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.
Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
I've just realised that your response is in fact the perfect encapsulation of my description of the 'centrist mindset'. Unspoofable.
Does 'centrist' just mean skeptical of populist nonsense now?
Even more unspoofable
Really?
How about "the Centrist Mindset is to assume that everybody will come around to the latest mad idea being proposed by the NU10k Process State at the behest of the Treasury Mindset"?
You could try that. That should get a laugh. It's good.
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
Brexit, which sent the upper middle class liberal left and the white working class populist right
A genius strategy by your party, then? Looking at retaining just 17 seats in the latest poll.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
The most snobbish upper middle class voters who used to vote Tory as a mark to distinguish themselves from the working class and tend to live in the Home Counties or the poshest parts of London now since Brexit largely vote LD
So, Rochdale Pioneers will be relying on gammons to be elected? Can’t see it, somehow.
Advance isn’t going to succeed Reform or act as a Reform spoiler. At least not yet. There’s been absolutely zero indication that it has any kind of significant following, or ability to attract one. A party with momentum (and Reform, like it or not, has momentum) is not ripe for successful splinter movements.
If Reform enter government and come to be seen as ideological sell-outs, that’s when there could be a splinter.
Not yet indeed - just another angry ex Farage supporter.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
The most snobbish upper middle class voters who used to vote Tory as a mark to distinguish themselves from the working class and tend to live in the Home Counties or the poshest parts of London now since Brexit largely vote LD
Source please.
I’m acquainted with plenty of snobbish upper middle class voters who are sticking loyally to the Tory cause.
The campaign to tar Lib Dems as a bloc as some sort of basket of deplorables is to be regretted. It’s a symptom of our US-imported in-group out-group politics.
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
A lot simpler than that. The working class have become (compared to the population at large) more socially and culturally right wing, the middle classes more socially and culturally globalist and liberal.
This has been the divide in American politics for decades.
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
In what way am I dumping on working class communities? Have I not been the person endlessly repeating on here that the red wall isn't as stupid as many make out?
Absolutely, yes you have. Repeatedly and I do make that point. You have absolutely stood out against a tidal wave of anti working class prejudice with clear insight and a lack of judgement on these people and communities.
Which is why I’m surprised at the heel turn today.
What specific quote have I given which makes you think I’ve turned?
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
Brexit, which sent the upper middle class liberal left and the white working class populist right
A genius strategy by your party, then? Looking at retaining just 17 seats in the latest poll.
To think, when Theresa was soaring in the polls there was talk of the Tories becoming Britain's ANC - so interwoven were they with an epoch-changing phenomenon that a devoted population would keep them in power for ever.
I don’t know about class per se, but Reform voters are almost definitionally “low information”.
But communities like Hartlepool have been ignored for my entire lifetime.
That is true for the entire post industrial revolution period. Blue-collar works were exploited by the bourgeois classes and taken for granted by the political class that purported to be fighting their corner. Labour grandees and the trade union barons all became a little too much like the pigs in Animal Farm.
Where else have they to go for their last throw of the dice but to people who have convinced them if it wasn't for flag hating interlopers their lives would have been fine and dandy?
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
Can this be translated into English ?
Farage is smart enough not to be outwardly racist if he wants to be PM but a lot of his support would prefer the outwardly racist option.
More importantly, up to now, Farage has broadly been able to take the racist vote for granted. He hasn't had to give them anything really.
Now he is at risk of having to fight on two fronts, which tends to end badly.
Oh well.
The problem with the centrist mindset is that it always assumes people will 'come around to it'; 'it' being whatever often barking proposal is currently being pursued by the process state, often at the behest of the Treasury Mindset. The 'it' of the moment is mass immigration.
The reality is that mass immigration - a very very new experiment in a welfare state - is simply not popular, and almost certainly too expensive. For too long too many people have put up with the negative externalities of it, and/or been too scared to oppose it. That has now ended.
If nothing really changes, I think @RochdalePioneers scenario of a Faragist govt with an opposition of even more strident views on immigration is more likely than the current supposed 'centre' holding.
This description doesn't seem to have much to do with reality.
Immigration is well down on the Johnson/Sunak years. Figures for 2025 will probably be further reduced.
I've just realised that your response is in fact the perfect encapsulation of my description of the 'centrist mindset'. Unspoofable.
Does 'centrist' just mean skeptical of populist nonsense now?
Even more unspoofable
Really?
How about "the Centrist Mindset is to assume that everybody will come around to the latest mad idea being proposed by the NU10k Process State at the behest of the Treasury Mindset"?
You could try that. That should get a laugh. It's good.
Those who keep being dismissive of the views of the majority will continue to tank in the polls
Afternoon from France where the trains run on time, buses are cheap, roads are renewed and public spaces cleaned. Why people clamber on boats to leave this pleasant country is bewildering. Perhaps they appreciate the warmth and hospitality of the UK.
Changing the subject my local water utility are increasing my monthly payment by 60% following a 30% early this year. I’m now paying double last year’s rate and four times the level of a few years ago. I can’t work out if I’m being ripped off or this is just a reaction to years of people not willing to recognise the cost of replacing infrastructure.
Afternoon from France where the trains run on time, buses are cheap, roads are renewed and public spaces cleaned. Why people clamber on boats to leave this pleasant country is bewildering. Perhaps they appreciate the warmth and hospitality of the UK.
Changing the subject my local water utility are increasing my monthly payment by 60% following a 30% early this year. I’m now paying double last year’s rate and four times the level of a few years ago. I can’t work out if I’m being ripped off or this is just a reaction to years of people not willing to recognise the cost of replacing infrastructure.
Bayrou is about to lose his job as he’s speaking the truth and France doesn’t have a pot to piss in
This 35% for Reform could be their Boris in Hartlepool moment.
Let me give you the scenario - the rise of Advance UK.
RetardUK was founded by Ben "Nigel was mean" Habib and now has Rock-on Tommeh as a member and Elon Musk as cheerleader.
We haven't yet seen which way Rupert Lowe goes, but he seems to be heading to join Retard as well.
Reform - Farage - knows that to get elected they can't go full fascist. So they are throwing out soundbites and genius tribe-building moves like the football shirt, but when pressed on policy detail they equivocate.
If Muskbaby amplifies the fascist cause then they will find a way to build a tribe which is more effective than a football shirt.
In this scenario, if we are lucky then the Fukker and the Retard mobs cancel each other out. If we are unlucky? Tommy Robinson as LOTO shouting DEPORT THE PAKIS NOW across the dispatch box at PM Nigel Farage.
Advance UK may be yet another damp squib. We will see. But they are far more dangerous than Farage. For all of his endless faults SYL is a very effective agitator. Give him a BIG platform and who knows what damage he could do to our electoral system.
I work in Hartlepool, drivel like this is just the ususal class based snobbery
Blow it out your arse. I was on here calling Hartlepool for the Tories before their Labour MP quit.
This has nothing to do with the politics and everything to do with snobs looking down on those less fortunate than themselves.
I lived in different parts of the red wall for 42 years. I had nothing growing up - we couldn't afford a proper football shirt for me to wear at school like all my mates had. I then went on to represent constituents in a seriously poor community.
And you think I'm a class snob because I abhor racism. Bless.
Youve sold out.
Youre now one of the snobs
I've sold out because I'm not painting "Die Pakis" on bus shelters or excusing the people who did?
Youve brought race in to it I didnt. I said youre a class snob.
It’s bizarre because previously Rochdale has been non judgemental and insightful on working class communities at a time when, on here, centrist dad types were dumping on them
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Projection there, perhaps. Not everyone has loathing of a group of people hard wired into their DNA.
Interestingly one of the handful of thoughtful Lib Dem MPs is starting a move to connect the Lib Dem’s with the working class.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
No it’s not. But it’s depressing how quickly and reflexively you conflate working class and far right.
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
I’m not conflating it, as I point out, others are doing so. Like the guy I was debating with on a local Facebook group this morning. A proud Lib Dem who calls working class people ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’
You’re jumping to two conclusions:
1. That gammon or flag shagger are jibes about class rather than attitude 2. That the actual flag protesters are working class.
I doubt your proud Lib Dem on Facebook used the term working class.
You’re right. The flag raisers are not working class. They popped down from Darrass Hall.
I have Darrass Hall down as "more money than taste". Perhaps I'm a snob as well .
That's where I would expect to find Charlie Mullins should he decide he likes the North East, and escapees from Geordie Shore.
Surprisingly cheap square footage rates eg 7200sqft for £1.4m, an so elegant they had to photograph it in the dark: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/152897060 On the surface, that will be a 25-35% discount on build cost, which for that place would be of the order of £2+m, even in 2010 when it was built.
Is it really an affected version of "Doris Hall", which was what the estate was called previously?
The British Right's fetishizing of the working class can be fickle. A few years ago the trope of the obese, McDonalds-guzzling, welfare-scrounging chav woman with a buggy full of kids was common in right-wing circles - the ghastly personification of Blair's Britain. What's changed? Is it that the flag botherers are seen as a more manageable, forelock-tugging type?
Wasn’t there some meme about the resentment felt by honest workers towards the skivers sleeping behind drawn curtains at 8 in the morning? Well, the skivers have twitched open the curtains and noticed all the brown faces on their way to work at the jobs presumed stolen from the skivers.
"she has spent most her working life in organisations focused on resolving global poverty."
Good prep for the UK's future ?
ROFL
it was just this time last year I was being hounded by the PB Lefties for saying Rachel Reeves is a bag of shit and will trash the economy.
How's that looking now ?
Labour have no plan, no courage no clue.
Wasn't that clear enough in the GE campaign. CHANGE. Whats the policy on x? CHANGE. Ah, so how would you CHANGE
Right.
Problem for the political right is that no matter how inept Labour are, they're still a lot better than the Tories.
Badenoch has been howling away for the whole month, blaming Labour for all the things the Tories did. And the lates poll puts them on 17 seats. Epic.
Better at what ?
The economy is tanking in just 14 months of their inept care.
yet in the past month the ftse has been hitting record high after record high
And the British economy grew faster than both the US and Euro Area in the first half of this year, which doesn't seem a whole lot like "tanking".
Thanks to govt spending. Cashback !
The biggest contribution to growth across Q1 and Q2 was private consumption spending, not government consumption.
And we need more of that. British households and businesses are sitting on a goldmine, largely lying dormant in low yielding savings and property.
Yet the average business is still more interested in cost cutting than investing in productivity, unlike its continental or US peers, and households continue to hit near record savings ratios.
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If Advance go for it we will see a neat division. All the blood and soil "patriots" will leave Reform for Advance, and whilst Reform will lose a portion of their support they will be more electable for it.
https://x.com/SammiRaeMurray/status/1961294374563725666
Remember it was the working class of London and other cities who stood against Mosely then later the BNP. There is nothing 'working class' about being racist. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that the middle and upper class wannabe big shots are the ones using anti-immigration rhetoric as a tool to incite the working classes and pretend it is the answer to all their genuine problems. Just as Trump used immigration and ;protectionism as a tool to galvanise the working classes in America when actually the issues are far deeper than that.
He’s a Lib Dem now and been a PPC so a loathing of working class communities is hard wired into their DNA.
Farage is very good at expelling rivals. Because without the heat and light coming off the Nigel, said rival quickly fades into the black. Not this time. Farage was right to keep SYL away, but having feted Musk and failed, there is now this fascist splinter party proposing deporting British citizens because they are brown.
I have no doubt at all that Farage will hack away at the defectors and dismiss them out of hand. But they are the natural evolution of the summer of flags we have had, have SYL and Musk on board and are perfectly capable of eclipsing Reform in creating seductive propaganda.
Split the right and who knows - even the Tories could benefit and win 50 seats.
Labour and the Tories should be hoping for an Advance surge to split the Reform vote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_Society_of_Equitable_Pioneers
He was a labour member kicked out, he’ll tell you why, for many years and was a Labour member when he lived in the North East.
Not sure how it will work.
On my local Facebook group Lib Dem members are calling people who put up,flags ‘gammons’ and ‘flag shaggers’. The hatred of working class communities, we don’t have a Gail’s or a Waitrose after all, really is in Lib Dem DNA.
They're voting Reform because every ther choice has failed. Labour failed. Brexit failed. Boris failed. Farage is next - I set this out a few years ago on here - and that we should fear what happens when Farage fails.
Voting to try and change your lot when it is relentlessly shit is smart. That many have started voting instead of abstaining is smart. They know their needs, they don't need outsiders patronising them.
Here I go again, the class snob talking down to the people I've lived with for decades by talking them up.
It would take the judge ruling in October that using hotels for migrants is a change of use in law anyway for the council to then be able to refuse planning permission at planning cttee
1. Advance UK goes nowhere fast, SYL and Musk depart, Reform win big
2. Advance UK break off the lunatic fringe. Reform become more electable in well to do areas (seats like Eastbourne shown as going Reform in the latest poll) but fail in many seats as the pop-right vote fractures. Reform win but its tight
3. Advance UK tear a hole in Reform who see a chunk of defections. Lots of accusations of the other faction being traitors. Labour form a minority government with a rainbow coalition to shut out the Reform & Advance MPs who make it
Having mainly white surroundings probably means people notice even small changes much more than somewhere like where I live where the population is already very mixed. Then on top of that you have US social media bombarding people with stories of London no go areas, streets flowing with blood, and sharia law.
https://www.sserenewables.com/news-and-views/2023/08/first-campaign-to-install-turbines-at-world-s-largest-offshore-wind-farm-is-underway/
The far right is a moneyed elite movement, always has been.
Speaking of racism as a white only phenomenon in 2025 Britain won't really do.
Which is why I’m surprised at the heel turn today.
He hasn’t. The speculation seems to be based on three main factors: He hasn’t been out and about in public as normal since Wednesday, he was photographed with a bruise on his hand previously, and the White House flag is at half mast.
The White House flag is at half mast today as a mark of respect for the Minneapolis school shooting victims.
Trump has a clear official schedule for this weekend, but he is booked and busy again come Tuesday.
Farage is upper middle class. So are Tice, Oakeshott, large chunks of the rest of the party and its backers. So is Elon Musk.
The far right use supposed working class imagery and mythology to lay claim to ownership of “the people”. They ignore thd minority working class, because in their mythical world the people are the white working class. They then create the enemy without (foreigners) and the enemy within (liberals). A tale as old as time.
1. That gammon or flag shagger are jibes about class rather than attitude
2. That the actual flag protesters are working class.
I doubt your proud Lib Dem on Facebook used the term working class.
Weren't gammons the younger brothers of the Turnip Taliban, who did not get the inheritance?
We were one of the few parts of Durham that didn’t return a Reform councillor.
From Durham I get the impression reform is more popular in the less wealthy working class areas.
But communities like Hartlepool have been ignored for my entire lifetime.
That’s gone away, with a vengeance. Not coming back, either.
If Reform enter government and come to be seen as ideological sell-outs, that’s when there could be a splinter.
You see that on both extremes - People who become extremely aggressive when confronted with facts that oppose their world view.
Social media makes it easier to build the bubble to sustain this.
Labour still lead with ABC1 middle class voters on 23% just ahead of Reform on 22% https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/voting-intention?crossBreak=abc1
UKIP post-2017 were a nothingburger.
Britain First are a nothingburger.
Hopefully AdvanceUK remain another nothingburger too. If they gain traction, which was my comment, then that would be awful.
I wasn’t surprised CLS South and Lumley didn’t return Reform councillors.
When I worked I used to go to the craft beer bar in Gilesgate every Friday. A steady cycle there, a wobbly one back 🤣
I live in one of the most deprived boroughs in the country. There are thousands who are homeless or borderline homeless, in HMOs, jobless or in the informal sector, on multiple benefits, and with one of the worst rates of child policy of any local authority. Ie DE in the class list. I’m not working class myself but by any meaningful measure I am in the middle of one of the most working class milieus in Britain, unless “working class” only means whites.
This has been the divide in American politics for decades.
How about "the Centrist Mindset is to assume that everybody will come around to the latest mad idea being proposed by the NU10k Process State at the behest of the Treasury Mindset"?
You could try that. That should get a laugh. It's good.
Until Musk pledges support this morning.
I’m acquainted with plenty of snobbish upper middle class voters who are sticking loyally to the Tory cause.
The campaign to tar Lib Dems as a bloc as some sort of basket of deplorables is to be regretted. It’s a symptom of our US-imported in-group out-group politics.
Where else have they to go for their last throw of the dice but to people who have convinced them if it wasn't for flag hating interlopers their lives would have been fine and dandy?
Changing the subject my local water utility are increasing my monthly payment by 60% following a 30% early this year. I’m now paying double last year’s rate and four times the level of a few years ago. I can’t work out if I’m being ripped off or this is just a reaction to years of people not willing to recognise the cost of replacing infrastructure.
That's where I would expect to find Charlie Mullins should he decide he likes the North East, and escapees from Geordie Shore.
Surprisingly cheap square footage rates eg 7200sqft for £1.4m, an so elegant they had to photograph it in the dark: https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/152897060
On the surface, that will be a 25-35% discount on build cost, which for that place would be of the order of £2+m, even in 2010 when it was built.
Is it really an affected version of "Doris Hall", which was what the estate was called previously?
Well, the skivers have twitched open the curtains and noticed all the brown faces on their way to work at the jobs presumed stolen from the skivers.
Yet the average business is still more interested in cost cutting than investing in productivity, unlike its continental or US peers, and households continue to hit near record savings ratios.