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  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    I wonder if 2028 will be the year an independent candidate wins presidency. Probably not - but the odds might be interesting
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,655
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    I was being truthful, not funny.

    Anti-wokeism is about being selfish, nasty to others, intolerant, and racist.

    Which sums you up to a tee.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,746
    Taz said:

    Interesting take on the man of the future. Torsten Bell.

    People may want to protect assets.

    https://x.com/moving_charlie/status/1960235886571909524?s=61

    Meh, a hatchet job does more to reinforce ones own prejudices than to persuade others.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    Utah judge orders new congressional maps for 2026 in another redistricting twist

    “The judge ruled that GOP legislators illegally disregarded voters who passed a ballot measure banning gerrymandering. The state currently has an all-Republican House delegation.”

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1960172887249219598

    Look at the county and district maps together (a useful Wikipedia feature) and you can see how the gerrymander works.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Utah

    This, together with Newsom's ballot measure, suggests a possible future path to multilateral disarmament on gerrymandering (unilateral is, obviously, just political suicide).
    Future ballot measures implementing independent districting commissions, but (like the Newsom measure) conditional, in this case on a given number of states doing the same, would provide a means for the states (as opposed to the federal government) to sort out the mess.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    I was being truthful, not funny.

    Anti-wokeism is about being selfish, nasty to others, intolerant, and racist.

    Which sums you up to a tee.
    The Democratic problem is perhaps that they're not explaining themselves in simple language, as you just did.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,746
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Do any PB Scotch experts know the true story behind the axe-wielding girl in Dundee?

    It’s an eerie, melancholy and disturbing video. She’s been arrested, it seems. But there are wildly conflicting accounts of the context

    @DavidL is local, perhaps he has more detail.

    Broadly I fully support the police arresting people who have offensive weapons.
    The video has gone totally viral and she’s being turned into a meme across the Net

    There’s loads of this under Elon’s “England flag” tweet

    https://x.com/wilplatypus/status/1960232649177600220?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/dutch1777real/status/1960232253163749713?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/yishengjiang/status/1960233850703155318?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Time to take your pills.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,655
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    I was being truthful, not funny.

    Anti-wokeism is about being selfish, nasty to others, intolerant, and racist.

    Which sums you up to a tee.
    The Democratic problem is perhaps that they're not explaining themselves in simple language, as you just did.
    Not just that: the GOP or GOP-minded have got a large amount of control over the new media, and much of the traditional media is either aligned with the GOP/Trump, or have bent the knee to Trump.

    Also, the Trump Circus so dominates the story - including over here - that it is hard for them to mould, or create, the story.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,084

    ydoethur said:

    A crucial difference you touch on briefly is that when Truss started the Trussterfuck it was very easy to remove her.

    For Trump to be removed, there are two options:

    1) Invoke the 25th Amendment. This requires Vance to persuade half the cabinet that Trump is off his head (or at least, get them to admit that Trump is off his head) and then either instantly lock him up without access to email or any other sort of communication for a month or persuade two thirds of the House and the Senate to concur. I'll file that under 'will happen the day Cummings shows some intellectual humility.'

    2) Death.

    As (2) hasn't happened yet and hasn't even come close apart from Mr Crooks, we must assume there is no Deep State that will arrange matters, and the Indira Gandhi option seems improbable.

    So we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.

    Republicans in Congress could do plenty to push back, as can Republican states and the Supreme Court. The US system has plenty of checks and balances if someone wants to use them.

    I'm not saying they WILL, but they COULD.
    And the lawyers who falsified court paperwork to convict postmasters they knew to be innocent could have a crisis of conscience, admit their guilt and resign.

    I'm not saying they will, but they could.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,106

    ydoethur said:

    A crucial difference you touch on briefly is that when Truss started the Trussterfuck it was very easy to remove her.

    For Trump to be removed, there are two options:

    1) Invoke the 25th Amendment. This requires Vance to persuade half the cabinet that Trump is off his head (or at least, get them to admit that Trump is off his head) and then either instantly lock him up without access to email or any other sort of communication for a month or persuade two thirds of the House and the Senate to concur. I'll file that under 'will happen the day Cummings shows some intellectual humility.'

    2) Death.

    As (2) hasn't happened yet and hasn't even come close apart from Mr Crooks, we must assume there is no Deep State that will arrange matters, and the Indira Gandhi option seems improbable.

    So we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.

    Republicans in Congress could do plenty to push back, as can Republican states and the Supreme Court. The US system has plenty of checks and balances if someone wants to use them.

    I'm not saying they WILL, but they COULD.
    It's interesting that when my daughter was doing her A levels (she is 25 this year) they were taught about the checks and balances in the US between the President, the Supreme Court and Congress. One of the disadvantages with it being it potentially prevents getting things done. It appears if you are malign you can override this stuff. There don't seem to be any checks and balances on what Trump does now. The Supreme Court and Congress are neutered.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,649
    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting take on the man of the future. Torsten Bell.

    People may want to protect assets.

    https://x.com/moving_charlie/status/1960235886571909524?s=61

    Meh, a hatchet job does more to reinforce ones own prejudices than to persuade others.
    Hence why I said ‘interesting take’ 🙄
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    I was being truthful, not funny.

    Anti-wokeism is about being selfish, nasty to others, intolerant, and racist.

    Which sums you up to a tee.
    The Democratic problem is perhaps that they're not explaining themselves in simple language, as you just did.
    Not just that: the GOP or GOP-minded have got a large amount of control over the new media, and much of the traditional media is either aligned with the GOP/Trump, or have bent the knee to Trump.

    Also, the Trump Circus so dominates the story - including over here - that it is hard for them to mould, or create, the story.
    Hence Newsom's gambit.

    The other Democratic problem is that significant parts of what should be a coalition don't understand the necessity of coalition in an FPTP system.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,636
    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    edited August 26

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    I was being truthful, not funny.

    Anti-wokeism is about being selfish, nasty to others, intolerant, and racist.

    Which sums you up to a tee.
    And a very good morning to you

    It’s amazing how I’m now basically the most polite commenter on this site, as the rest of you become utterly unhinged
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,846
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Do any PB Scotch experts know the true story behind the axe-wielding girl in Dundee?

    It’s an eerie, melancholy and disturbing video. She’s been arrested, it seems. But there are wildly conflicting accounts of the context

    @DavidL is local, perhaps he has more detail.

    Broadly I fully support the police arresting people who have offensive weapons.
    The video has gone totally viral and she’s being turned into a meme across the Net

    There’s loads of this under Elon’s “England flag” tweet

    https://x.com/wilplatypus/status/1960232649177600220?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/dutch1777real/status/1960232253163749713?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/yishengjiang/status/1960233850703155318?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Time to take your pills.
    He's already red pilled aff his nut.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)

    Nah, everyone uses triggered these days.
    Bothsides.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    AnneJGP said:

    .

    Anyone very very excited by the Reform presser this morning?

    They are going to solve the migrant crisis with one simple easy policy.

    It is so simple that it beggars belief that no politician or civil servant had thought of it previously.

    Stopping small boats pales into insignificance against His Majesty's Government's plan to make murder illegal or at least launch a pilot study into whether anyone can be arsed to read past the headline.

    Crackdown on ‘honour’ crime to be launched by government
    ...
    In 2021, pregnant Fawziyah Javed, 31, died when she was pushed from Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh by her husband after she decided to leave the marriage.

    New statutory guidance and a legal definition of honour-based abuse will be brought in to help combat the crime, the government has said.

    The Home Office will pilot a study looking at how widespread this crime is, a community awareness campaign will be launched and teachers, police officers, social workers and healthcare professionals will receive more training under the new policies.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/honour-crime-abuse-government-b2813844.html

    Sorry, I've done the Jess & Yvette show an injustice. Their's is a three-fold plan – a pilot study; a glossy poster; and more work for under-employed social workers and teachers so we can blame them next time.
    Any information on what it is about the existing laws around murder, abuse, etc that makes them inadequate for the honour-based defences?

    Good morning, everybody.
    There was the case of a retiring government lawyer, who in her parting message, proudly announced that she had prevented any prosecutions for FGM.

    Sometimes you need a version of Mrs May announcing that all reported incidents of X will be investigated.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889
    Taz said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Plastic patriot taking his case (sic) overseas.

    Nigel Farage will testify before US Congress on Sept 3, highlighting UK free speech concerns.
    Lucy Connolly’s imprisonment over an X post will be at the heart of his case.

    https://x.com/now_onearth/status/1959613396585971751

    How much are you betting that he will totally misrepresent English law when he appears?

    He is a traitor.
    He’s seeking help from the relatives. It’s what people do in families. It’s the least treacherous thing imaginable

    And right now the US is led by the most Anglophile administration in many decades
    What utter bullshit.
    To be fair it’s not unprecedented. Viktor Yanukovich sought help from the relatives in 2014, and the results were strikingly effective.
    Yes, it was two fingers and carry on Vladimir.
    The response to Yanukovich was “yes, come and stay with us here and we’ll go in and take Crimea”. So it was pretty successful.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    The dollar is up against the euro on the week. I was fully expecting it to be down a few cents on the basis of the thread header.

    I guess money talks and the underlying strength of the US economy is still a greater factor in trader's minds than Trump's follies. At least, for now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    The US system, and political setup are very different, though.
    Those numbers can reverse themselves remarkable quickly (as they've done many times in the past).

    And there's no third (or fourth or fifth) party.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,655
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    I was being truthful, not funny.

    Anti-wokeism is about being selfish, nasty to others, intolerant, and racist.

    Which sums you up to a tee.
    And a very good morning to you

    It’s amazing how I’m now basically the most polite commenter on this site, as the rest of you become utterly unhinged
    You are, as ever, delusional.

    Which is why we love you. Or is it loathe? The two are quite easy to mistake at times. ;)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    edited August 26
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Yes "Be nice", "Don't be racist" and "Other people matter," are terribly alienating phrases for the average GOP voter.
    I doubt the Dems find this take amusing as - despite the unpopularity of Trump - they are shedding support even faster than the GOP

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/us-democrats-collapse-in-support-labour-uk
    I was being truthful, not funny.

    Anti-wokeism is about being selfish, nasty to others, intolerant, and racist.

    Which sums you up to a tee.
    And a very good morning to you

    It’s amazing how I’m now basically the most polite commenter on this site, as the rest of you become utterly unhinged
    I look forward to reminding you of that.

    And good morning to you, too.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,106
    edited August 26
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)

    I can safely say I have never used any of those words, with the possible exception of 'stakeholder' as in stakeholder pension. There are a couple which I don't even understand. I note Casino uses OW and T so does that make him more woke than me?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,649

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    The dollar is up against the euro on the week. I was fully expecting it to be down a few cents on the basis of the thread header.

    I guess money talks and the underlying strength of the US economy is still a greater factor in trader's minds than Trump's follies. At least, for now.
    I am accused of being obsessed with the Lib Dem’s by posters here who are obsessed with Trump and Reform.

    When markets speak, people should listen to them. Not their political prejudices.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,636
    Taz said:

    Can I give a big shout out to the classy Newcastle fans who gave a sixteen year old boy abuse for scoring a goal.

    No wonder you're happy being run by a country who executes teenagers and murders dissents.

    #FreeIsak

    Sorry, you support a team that forces children to work ?
    I am given to believe that 16 is over the age of football consent. Provided that parental consent is given and the correct jumpers for goalposts.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    AnneJGP said:

    .

    Anyone very very excited by the Reform presser this morning?

    They are going to solve the migrant crisis with one simple easy policy.

    It is so simple that it beggars belief that no politician or civil servant had thought of it previously.

    Stopping small boats pales into insignificance against His Majesty's Government's plan to make murder illegal or at least launch a pilot study into whether anyone can be arsed to read past the headline.

    Crackdown on ‘honour’ crime to be launched by government
    ...
    In 2021, pregnant Fawziyah Javed, 31, died when she was pushed from Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh by her husband after she decided to leave the marriage.

    New statutory guidance and a legal definition of honour-based abuse will be brought in to help combat the crime, the government has said.

    The Home Office will pilot a study looking at how widespread this crime is, a community awareness campaign will be launched and teachers, police officers, social workers and healthcare professionals will receive more training under the new policies.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/honour-crime-abuse-government-b2813844.html

    Sorry, I've done the Jess & Yvette show an injustice. Their's is a three-fold plan – a pilot study; a glossy poster; and more work for under-employed social workers and teachers so we can blame them next time.
    Any information on what it is about the existing laws around murder, abuse, etc that makes them inadequate for the honour-based defences?

    Good morning, everybody.
    I think it's that the defence of provocation has been applied far too widely (i.e. at all), and so it has been argued that the killers in these cases are temporarily not in their right mind as a result of the "provocation"/"insult to family honour" and consequently not culpable for their actions.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    edited August 26
    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,117
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Can I give a big shout out to the classy Newcastle fans who gave a sixteen year old boy abuse for scoring a goal.

    No wonder you're happy being run by a country who executes teenagers and murders dissents.

    #FreeIsak

    Sorry, you support a team that forces children to work ?
    I am given to believe that 16 is over the age of football consent. Provided that parental consent is given and the correct jumpers for goalposts.
    It's actually the season in which they turn 16. I think Arsenal wanted to play Max Dowman last season!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,424
    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    A crucial difference you touch on briefly is that when Truss started the Trussterfuck it was very easy to remove her.

    For Trump to be removed, there are two options:

    1) Invoke the 25th Amendment. This requires Vance to persuade half the cabinet that Trump is off his head (or at least, get them to admit that Trump is off his head) and then either instantly lock him up without access to email or any other sort of communication for a month or persuade two thirds of the House and the Senate to concur. I'll file that under 'will happen the day Cummings shows some intellectual humility.'

    2) Death.

    As (2) hasn't happened yet and hasn't even come close apart from Mr Crooks, we must assume there is no Deep State that will arrange matters, and the Indira Gandhi option seems improbable.

    So we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.

    Republicans in Congress could do plenty to push back, as can Republican states and the Supreme Court. The US system has plenty of checks and balances if someone wants to use them.

    I'm not saying they WILL, but they COULD.
    It's interesting that when my daughter was doing her A levels (she is 25 this year) they were taught about the checks and balances in the US between the President, the Supreme Court and Congress. One of the disadvantages with it being it potentially prevents getting things done. It appears if you are malign you can override this stuff. There don't seem to be any checks and balances on what Trump does now. The Supreme Court and Congress are neutered.
    Democracy is fragile which is why malignant state actors are happy to push the boundaries especially Iran. And the resulting pushback becomes another area of criticism of democracy. Farage is just an instrument (also known as a tool)
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,435
    tlg86 said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Can I give a big shout out to the classy Newcastle fans who gave a sixteen year old boy abuse for scoring a goal.

    No wonder you're happy being run by a country who executes teenagers and murders dissents.

    #FreeIsak

    Sorry, you support a team that forces children to work ?
    I am given to believe that 16 is over the age of football consent. Provided that parental consent is given and the correct jumpers for goalposts.
    It's actually the season in which they turn 16. I think Arsenal wanted to play Max Dowman last season!
    AIUI they can't sign a professional contract until 17, so they're on apprentice terms. So it seems a big risk for the player, potential injury and loss of career earnings, does anyone know if these kids are covered for that?
    If not I'm surprised their parents/agents allow them to play.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    kjh said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)

    I can safely say I have never used any of those words, with the possible exception of 'stakeholder' as in stakeholder pension. There are a couple which I don't even understand. I note Casino uses OW and T so does that make him more woke than me?
    Whenever the word Stakeholder is used,

    1) I assume that someone is ducking actual responsibility.
    2) who is holding the hammer?


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)
    The issue here isn't so much sounding woke as sounding overeducated and wonky. It turns a lot of people off. Eg if you talk about a society that for all the progress over recent decades remains one in which wealth and power resides mainly with men, you'll have a chance of getting through. But if you unleash the word "patriarchy" - or even worse *The Patriarchy* - you'll be speaking only to those already in your space and you'll repel, irritate or anger the rest. Ditto with "white privilege". Don't go there unless you want to repel, irritate and anger (which you might want to do tbf), talk instead of the obstacles still faced by people of colour and esp black people. Come a long way on racial equality, not there yet etc etc. This is the PC way to make your point.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)

    Nah, everyone uses triggered these days.
    Bothsides.
    And I wouldn’t have had Overton window as woke. Surely it’s a term that’s mainly used with glee by anti-wokes when commenting on ever-more edgy positions taken by their heroes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    He's extrapolating. It requires imagination.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    A crucial difference you touch on briefly is that when Truss started the Trussterfuck it was very easy to remove her.

    For Trump to be removed, there are two options:

    1) Invoke the 25th Amendment. This requires Vance to persuade half the cabinet that Trump is off his head (or at least, get them to admit that Trump is off his head) and then either instantly lock him up without access to email or any other sort of communication for a month or persuade two thirds of the House and the Senate to concur. I'll file that under 'will happen the day Cummings shows some intellectual humility.'

    2) Death.

    As (2) hasn't happened yet and hasn't even come close apart from Mr Crooks, we must assume there is no Deep State that will arrange matters, and the Indira Gandhi option seems improbable.

    So we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.

    Republicans in Congress could do plenty to push back, as can Republican states and the Supreme Court. The US system has plenty of checks and balances if someone wants to use them.

    I'm not saying they WILL, but they COULD.
    It's interesting that when my daughter was doing her A levels (she is 25 this year) they were taught about the checks and balances in the US between the President, the Supreme Court and Congress. One of the disadvantages with it being it potentially prevents getting things done. It appears if you are malign you can override this stuff. There don't seem to be any checks and balances on what Trump does now. The Supreme Court and Congress are neutered.
    They're not neutered, they are subservient.

    Either or both of them could stop Trump tomorrow, but at the moment they refuse to act. I assume they think their interests are aligned.

    I am not sure that is true.

    I think the moment they find out is going to be ugly.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,282
    Somebody cocked up on one of these mini-roundabout painted flags, and ended up with a Danish Flag.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,746
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    You don't read the "potential civil war", "States seceding", "economic misery" stuff that is so much a feature of the media landscape? Its funny because quite a lot of that comes from your side of the political fence. Indeed won't you telling us about the absolute degradation of large parts of Appalachia and forecasting various doom laden scenarios, only a few months ago?

    I am not saying that the US will collapse, but it is certainly in a hell of a mess and Trump is setting the US economy up for something that will make the Lehman bankruptcy and the GFC look fairly normal.

    There is an awful lot of ruin in a nation. Doesn't mean it can't be ruined though.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,282
    Leon said:

    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling

    It's not magic - it's a tin of paint.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889
    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)
    The issue here isn't so much sounding woke as sounding overeducated and wonky. It turns a lot of people off. Eg if you talk about a society that for all the progress over recent decades remains one in which wealth and power resides mainly with men, you'll have a chance of getting through. But if you unleash the word "patriarchy" - or even worse *The Patriarchy* - you'll be speaking only to those already in your space and you'll repel, irritate or anger the rest. Ditto with "white privilege". Don't go there unless you want to repel, irritate and anger (which you might want to do tbf), talk instead of the obstacles still faced by people of colour and esp black people. Come a long way on racial equality, not there yet etc etc. This is the PC way to make your point.
    “Privilege” just doesn’t translate across the Atlantic because here it’s so wrapped up in class and poshness.

    More generally there are far too many American words, phrases, reference points and culture battles that have infiltrated British politics, from both the woke US college left and the MAGA right.

    Enough.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,846
    TimS said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)

    Nah, everyone uses triggered these days.
    Bothsides.
    And I wouldn’t have had Overton window as woke. Surely it’s a term that’s mainly used with glee by anti-wokes when commenting on ever-more edgy positions taken by their heroes.
    As in 'It's great that strong man Putin is chucking his enemies out of windows, if only we could do the same with the wokesters! Only a matter of time surely.'
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708

    Somebody cocked up on one of these mini-roundabout painted flags, and ended up with a Danish Flag.

    These people are not "smarter than the average bear"...
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,649
    edited August 26
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    You don't read the "potential civil war", "States seceding", "economic misery" stuff that is so much a feature of the media landscape? Its funny because quite a lot of that comes from your side of the political fence. Indeed won't you telling us about the absolute degradation of large parts of Appalachia and forecasting various doom laden scenarios, only a few months ago?

    I am not saying that the US will collapse, but it is certainly in a hell of a mess and Trump is setting the US economy up for something that will make the Lehman bankruptcy and the GFC look fairly normal.

    .
    Exactly what do you think he is setting the US economy up for ?

    The markets don’t agree with you.

    Maybe you’re doing a Peter Schiff or Ray Dalio and calling a crash knowing, eventually, you will be right both of who having called correctly 30 of the last three recessions.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    You don't read the "potential civil war", "States seceding", "economic misery" stuff that is so much a feature of the media landscape? Its funny because quite a lot of that comes from your side of the political fence. Indeed won't you telling us about the absolute degradation of large parts of Appalachia and forecasting various doom laden scenarios, only a few months ago?

    I am not saying that the US will collapse, but it is certainly in a hell of a mess and Trump is setting the US economy up for something that will make the Lehman bankruptcy and the GFC look fairly normal.

    There is an awful lot of ruin in a nation. Doesn't mean it can't be ruined though.
    Spoiler: no states are going to secede from the USA. Nutter
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,548

    Somebody cocked up on one of these mini-roundabout painted flags, and ended up with a Danish Flag.

    Some of them definitely don't have the red lines at right angles. As someone posted locally, they look more like a St Patrick's cross.
    Of course, there might be a misunderstanding and that's the intention!


    And Good Morning one and all!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,489
    Apparently Reform will pay the Taliban to take people back.
    That's handy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    A mirror image reverses some of the characteristics of the original, of course.

    And this does look a bit like a mirror image to me...





  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,807
    Leon said:

    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling

    Turquoise? ;)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,489
    The Ding curse has ended at 23 matches.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,084
    Scott_xP said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    A crucial difference you touch on briefly is that when Truss started the Trussterfuck it was very easy to remove her.

    For Trump to be removed, there are two options:

    1) Invoke the 25th Amendment. This requires Vance to persuade half the cabinet that Trump is off his head (or at least, get them to admit that Trump is off his head) and then either instantly lock him up without access to email or any other sort of communication for a month or persuade two thirds of the House and the Senate to concur. I'll file that under 'will happen the day Cummings shows some intellectual humility.'

    2) Death.

    As (2) hasn't happened yet and hasn't even come close apart from Mr Crooks, we must assume there is no Deep State that will arrange matters, and the Indira Gandhi option seems improbable.

    So we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.

    Republicans in Congress could do plenty to push back, as can Republican states and the Supreme Court. The US system has plenty of checks and balances if someone wants to use them.

    I'm not saying they WILL, but they COULD.
    It's interesting that when my daughter was doing her A levels (she is 25 this year) they were taught about the checks and balances in the US between the President, the Supreme Court and Congress. One of the disadvantages with it being it potentially prevents getting things done. It appears if you are malign you can override this stuff. There don't seem to be any checks and balances on what Trump does now. The Supreme Court and Congress are neutered.
    They're not neutered, they are subservient.

    Either or both of them could stop Trump tomorrow, but at the moment they refuse to act. I assume they think their interests are aligned.

    I am not sure that is true.

    I think the moment they find out is going to be ugly.
    It is worth remembering the Supreme Court had two chances to stop Trump becoming President last year - once when asked to strike him from the ballot, and once when asked to rule on Presidential immunity.

    On the first, they bottled it although with plausible reasoning.

    On the second, their reasoning was literally insane and can only be explained by the desire of a majority of justices to prevent Trump from facing trial for his crimes.

    Congress has also had two chances to get rid of him. On the first impeachment trial, that was the Dems going off at half cock and it is understandable it was rejected. On the second, McConnell demonstrated he is a coward as well as a fool by not whipping the Republicans to vote for conviction despite overwhelming evidence and the gravity of the charges.

    The framers of the Constitution never foresaw a scenario where one criminal could exert complete control over all three branches of the government through a variety of dodgy means. But that is what Trump has. And when you control all three branches, those very checks and balances suddenly work *against* democracy because there is nowhere left to turn to to stop a dictator and no mechanism to do it legally.

    I'm not comparing him to Hitler, but I'm getting strong Louis Napoleon vibes (without the sense of humour or the personal courage).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,655
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    "In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism?"

    IMV the main reason the USSR collapsed was that it lied to itself. It spent decades lying throughout the government: targets were set, and if you failed to meet your targets, you were out of a job. Or worse. So if you fail to meet those objectives, you cheat or lie. The component you make is made from tofu dreg instead of the proper material; you made 1,000 instead of the real 700. And if you do that once, the chances are you will have to do it again and again.

    And that's what we're starting to see in the USA. From tech billionaires lying about their tech, to the government trying to control figures.

    It may take some time, but if they continue like this, then yes, there is a comparison.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,548
    dixiedean said:

    The Ding curse has ended at 23 matches.

    Is that a coded message?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584

    Leon said:

    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling

    Turquoise? ;)
    I’ve gone for a very bold blue. Hick’s Blue. Slightly nervous

    But I’m bored of these polite greys and creams and greige. I’m not getting any younger and I want to turn my flat into something radical - opulently weird. Stage set for Act 3

    Halfway there but this is a big step

    I guess if I hate it I can always paint it back. There is that
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The ‘woke’ language Democrats have been told to stop using
    Party risks ‘alienating voters’ with phrases ‘no ordinary person would dream of saying’"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/08/25/the-32-woke-words-democrats-told-stop-using

    Words on the list that I've used include Overton Window, cisgender, patriarchy, othering, postmodernism, stakeholders, food insecurity, deadnaming, heteronormative, intersectionality. The Telegraph appears to have been triggered by the list.

    And "triggered" is another word on the list. :)
    The issue here isn't so much sounding woke as sounding overeducated and wonky. It turns a lot of people off. Eg if you talk about a society that for all the progress over recent decades remains one in which wealth and power resides mainly with men, you'll have a chance of getting through. But if you unleash the word "patriarchy" - or even worse *The Patriarchy* - you'll be speaking only to those already in your space and you'll repel, irritate or anger the rest. Ditto with "white privilege". Don't go there unless you want to repel, irritate and anger (which you might want to do tbf), talk instead of the obstacles still faced by people of colour and esp black people. Come a long way on racial equality, not there yet etc etc. This is the PC way to make your point.
    “Privilege” just doesn’t translate across the Atlantic because here it’s so wrapped up in class and poshness.

    More generally there are far too many American words, phrases, reference points and culture battles that have infiltrated British politics, from both the woke US college left and the MAGA right.

    Enough.
    It's time to take back control or we won't have a language anymore.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,172
    Nigelb said:

    Utah judge orders new congressional maps for 2026 in another redistricting twist

    “The judge ruled that GOP legislators illegally disregarded voters who passed a ballot measure banning gerrymandering. The state currently has an all-Republican House delegation.”

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1960172887249219598

    Look at the county and district maps together (a useful Wikipedia feature) and you can see how the gerrymander works.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Utah

    This, together with Newsom's ballot measure, suggests a possible future path to multilateral disarmament on gerrymandering (unilateral is, obviously, just political suicide).
    Future ballot measures implementing independent districting commissions, but (like the Newsom measure) conditional, in this case on a given number of states doing the same, would provide a means for the states (as opposed to the federal government) to sort out the mess.

    How independent will these 'independent' commissions be ?

    California's 'independent' commission produced a map which gave 43 Dems and 9 GOP in 2024.

    By comparison when Obama won in 2008 California elected 34 Dems and 19 GOP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_California

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_California
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    You don't read the "potential civil war", "States seceding", "economic misery" stuff that is so much a feature of the media landscape? Its funny because quite a lot of that comes from your side of the political fence. Indeed won't you telling us about the absolute degradation of large parts of Appalachia and forecasting various doom laden scenarios, only a few months ago?

    I am not saying that the US will collapse, but it is certainly in a hell of a mess and Trump is setting the US economy up for something that will make the Lehman bankruptcy and the GFC look fairly normal.

    There is an awful lot of ruin in a nation. Doesn't mean it can't be ruined though.
    Spoiler: no states are going to secede from the USA. Nutter
    It’s Time for Americans to Start Talking About “Soft Secession”
    Blue states are finally learning what red states have known all along: you don’t need federal permission to govern.
    https://medium.com/@carmitage/its-time-for-americans-to-start-talking-about-soft-secession-8d0183ac94cf
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    It’s very end of summer-y isn’t it?

    The day after a scorching and beautiful bank holiday Monday - it’s suddenly cooler and grey. The streets look busier. A kind of sad stirring. And I’m off for the first of some autumn travels

    What a lovely summer, tho. All that gorgeous cricket. Wonderful sunshine. Picnics
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,172

    Somebody cocked up on one of these mini-roundabout painted flags, and ended up with a Danish Flag.

    Was it in the old Danelaw ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,520
    Monetary Commentary
    @monetarycomm

    Unless Congress or the courts back the president, she remains in office, and any attempt to block her participation in votes would invite litigation that markets will read as chaos. The precedent matters more than the personality: if a president can redefine “cause” as “I don’t like your stance,” then Fed independence collapses, and every future rate decision becomes hostage to electoral politics.

    https://x.com/monetarycomm/status/1960182219818885196
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,172

    Monetary Commentary
    @monetarycomm

    Unless Congress or the courts back the president, she remains in office, and any attempt to block her participation in votes would invite litigation that markets will read as chaos. The precedent matters more than the personality: if a president can redefine “cause” as “I don’t like your stance,” then Fed independence collapses, and every future rate decision becomes hostage to electoral politics.

    https://x.com/monetarycomm/status/1960182219818885196

    In the USA everything is designed to make lawyers richer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,711
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    You don't read the "potential civil war", "States seceding", "economic misery" stuff that is so much a feature of the media landscape? Its funny because quite a lot of that comes from your side of the political fence. Indeed won't you telling us about the absolute degradation of large parts of Appalachia and forecasting various doom laden scenarios, only a few months ago?

    I am not saying that the US will collapse, but it is certainly in a hell of a mess and Trump is setting the US economy up for something that will make the Lehman bankruptcy and the GFC look fairly normal.

    There is an awful lot of ruin in a nation. Doesn't mean it can't be ruined though.
    Spoiler: no states are going to secede from the USA. Nutter
    The citizens of an independent nation of California, the fourth largest economy in the world, would be much better off in that independent nation than having to fund a mass of ungrateful red states.

    I suspect Oregon and Washington would be interested in joining them, giving a great trade bloc of West Coast plus Mexico plus Canada.

    The more fascist Trump's tendencies get, the more attractive it will become.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    "In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism?"

    IMV the main reason the USSR collapsed was that it lied to itself. It spent decades lying throughout the government: targets were set, and if you failed to meet your targets, you were out of a job. Or worse. So if you fail to meet those objectives, you cheat or lie. The component you make is made from tofu dreg instead of the proper material; you made 1,000 instead of the real 700. And if you do that once, the chances are you will have to do it again and again.

    And that's what we're starting to see in the USA. From tech billionaires lying about their tech, to the government trying to control figures.

    It may take some time, but if they continue like this, then yes, there is a comparison.
    No there really isn’t. There is no valid comparison at all. It’s unintelligent bollocks from ignorant, silly people demented by Trump

    Is America changing fast? Yes. Does it have major problems? Yes, but it is also incredibly rich and powerful. Is it like the USSR in 1985?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA no

    A much more interesting comparison is this: America is like Rome as it shifted from Republic to imperial monarchy
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,877

    Somebody cocked up on one of these mini-roundabout painted flags, and ended up with a Danish Flag.

    Removing that might cause a diplomatic incident!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,084

    Monetary Commentary
    @monetarycomm

    Unless Congress or the courts back the president, she remains in office, and any attempt to block her participation in votes would invite litigation that markets will read as chaos. The precedent matters more than the personality: if a president can redefine “cause” as “I don’t like your stance,” then Fed independence collapses, and every future rate decision becomes hostage to electoral politics.

    https://x.com/monetarycomm/status/1960182219818885196

    OK, fun scenario:

    Supreme Court sides with Trump and declares that mortgage fraud means somebody cannot hold federal office.

    Vance immediately becomes President.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling

    Turquoise? ;)
    I’ve gone for a very bold blue. Hick’s Blue. Slightly nervous

    But I’m bored of these polite greys and creams and greige. I’m not getting any younger and I want to turn my flat into something radical - opulently weird. Stage set for Act 3

    Halfway there but this is a big step

    I guess if I hate it I can always paint it back. There is that
    True - but the psychological damage from getting something so completely in your power and important to you wrong could be incalculable.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,548
    ydoethur said:

    Monetary Commentary
    @monetarycomm

    Unless Congress or the courts back the president, she remains in office, and any attempt to block her participation in votes would invite litigation that markets will read as chaos. The precedent matters more than the personality: if a president can redefine “cause” as “I don’t like your stance,” then Fed independence collapses, and every future rate decision becomes hostage to electoral politics.

    https://x.com/monetarycomm/status/1960182219818885196

    OK, fun scenario:

    Supreme Court sides with Trump and declares that mortgage fraud means somebody cannot hold federal office.

    Vance immediately becomes President.
    Hmmm.
    Frying pans and fires come to mind.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling

    Turquoise? ;)
    I’ve gone for a very bold blue. Hick’s Blue. Slightly nervous

    But I’m bored of these polite greys and creams and greige. I’m not getting any younger and I want to turn my flat into something radical - opulently weird. Stage set for Act 3

    Halfway there but this is a big step

    I guess if I hate it I can always paint it back. There is that
    True - but the psychological damage from getting something so completely in your power and important to you wrong could be incalculable.
    Or so you wish

    I’d rather fail in a dramatic act of impossible interior decor bravery than be some timid accountant type who chooses soft magnolia again

    However I may be sobbing in a week, and it turns out you’re right, so I’d better shut up and get packing
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,172
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    You don't read the "potential civil war", "States seceding", "economic misery" stuff that is so much a feature of the media landscape? Its funny because quite a lot of that comes from your side of the political fence. Indeed won't you telling us about the absolute degradation of large parts of Appalachia and forecasting various doom laden scenarios, only a few months ago?

    I am not saying that the US will collapse, but it is certainly in a hell of a mess and Trump is setting the US economy up for something that will make the Lehman bankruptcy and the GFC look fairly normal.

    There is an awful lot of ruin in a nation. Doesn't mean it can't be ruined though.
    Spoiler: no states are going to secede from the USA. Nutter
    It’s Time for Americans to Start Talking About “Soft Secession”
    Blue states are finally learning what red states have known all along: you don’t need federal permission to govern.
    https://medium.com/@carmitage/its-time-for-americans-to-start-talking-about-soft-secession-8d0183ac94cf
    The Dems have long been flouting federal regulations they don't like.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city#United_States is just one example.

    Obstructing federal laws is, like gerrymandering, an irregular verb.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,877

    Monetary Commentary
    @monetarycomm

    Unless Congress or the courts back the president, she remains in office, and any attempt to block her participation in votes would invite litigation that markets will read as chaos. The precedent matters more than the personality: if a president can redefine “cause” as “I don’t like your stance,” then Fed independence collapses, and every future rate decision becomes hostage to electoral politics.

    https://x.com/monetarycomm/status/1960182219818885196

    In the USA everything is designed to make lawyers richer.
    Something I read the other day said that the USA is run as a business, not as a country. The people aren't so much citizens as captive customers. Interesting take.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    You don't read the "potential civil war", "States seceding", "economic misery" stuff that is so much a feature of the media landscape? Its funny because quite a lot of that comes from your side of the political fence. Indeed won't you telling us about the absolute degradation of large parts of Appalachia and forecasting various doom laden scenarios, only a few months ago?

    I am not saying that the US will collapse, but it is certainly in a hell of a mess and Trump is setting the US economy up for something that will make the Lehman bankruptcy and the GFC look fairly normal.

    There is an awful lot of ruin in a nation. Doesn't mean it can't be ruined though.
    Spoiler: no states are going to secede from the USA. Nutter
    The citizens of an independent nation of California, the fourth largest economy in the world, would be much better off in that independent nation than having to fund a mass of ungrateful red states.

    I suspect Oregon and Washington would be interested in joining them, giving a great trade bloc of West Coast plus Mexico plus Canada.

    The more fascist Trump's tendencies get, the more attractive it will become.

    I mean, even you - a relatively sensible poster - are infested with this mental fungus. No, California is not going to secede
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    ydoethur said:

    Monetary Commentary
    @monetarycomm

    Unless Congress or the courts back the president, she remains in office, and any attempt to block her participation in votes would invite litigation that markets will read as chaos. The precedent matters more than the personality: if a president can redefine “cause” as “I don’t like your stance,” then Fed independence collapses, and every future rate decision becomes hostage to electoral politics.

    https://x.com/monetarycomm/status/1960182219818885196

    OK, fun scenario:

    Supreme Court sides with Trump and declares that mortgage fraud means somebody cannot hold federal office.

    Vance immediately becomes President.
    Is a great point. Emperor Felonius Maximus is convicted of the very same.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,846
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    "In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism?"

    IMV the main reason the USSR collapsed was that it lied to itself. It spent decades lying throughout the government: targets were set, and if you failed to meet your targets, you were out of a job. Or worse. So if you fail to meet those objectives, you cheat or lie. The component you make is made from tofu dreg instead of the proper material; you made 1,000 instead of the real 700. And if you do that once, the chances are you will have to do it again and again.

    And that's what we're starting to see in the USA. From tech billionaires lying about their tech, to the government trying to control figures.

    It may take some time, but if they continue like this, then yes, there is a comparison.
    No there really isn’t. There is no valid comparison at all. It’s unintelligent bollocks from ignorant, silly people demented by Trump

    Is America changing fast? Yes. Does it have major problems? Yes, but it is also incredibly rich and powerful. Is it like the USSR in 1985?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA no

    A much more interesting comparison is this: America is like Rome as it shifted from Republic to imperial monarchy
    Radicalised by X Leon rejecting a dramatic dystopian prediction in favour of 'it'll probably be boringly alright'? The world is arse over tit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling

    Turquoise? ;)
    I’ve gone for a very bold blue. Hick’s Blue. Slightly nervous

    But I’m bored of these polite greys and creams and greige. I’m not getting any younger and I want to turn my flat into something radical - opulently weird. Stage set for Act 3

    Halfway there but this is a big step

    I guess if I hate it I can always paint it back. There is that
    True - but the psychological damage from getting something so completely in your power and important to you wrong could be incalculable.
    Or so you wish

    I’d rather fail in a dramatic act of impossible interior decor bravery than be some timid accountant type who chooses soft magnolia again

    However I may be sobbing in a week, and it turns out you’re right, so I’d better shut up and get packing
    I'm not as it happens a "harmonious neutral shades with pops of colour" type of person. I like mismatch and jumble.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,120
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    "In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism?"

    IMV the main reason the USSR collapsed was that it lied to itself. It spent decades lying throughout the government: targets were set, and if you failed to meet your targets, you were out of a job. Or worse. So if you fail to meet those objectives, you cheat or lie. The component you make is made from tofu dreg instead of the proper material; you made 1,000 instead of the real 700. And if you do that once, the chances are you will have to do it again and again.

    And that's what we're starting to see in the USA. From tech billionaires lying about their tech, to the government trying to control figures.

    It may take some time, but if they continue like this, then yes, there is a comparison.
    No there really isn’t. There is no valid comparison at all. It’s unintelligent bollocks from ignorant, silly people demented by Trump

    Is America changing fast? Yes. Does it have major problems? Yes, but it is also incredibly rich and powerful. Is it like the USSR in 1985?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA no

    A much more interesting comparison is this: America is like Rome as it shifted from Republic to imperial monarchy
    That shift was kinda happening under Richard Nixon. But then Watergate blew him up, and the constitutional proprieties were re-established and observed. No more imperial presidents. And you couldn't get less imperial than Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter.

    But, at the end of the day, Americans want a strong president. And at herd level they are, evidently, not too bothered by the loss of the tethers and the restraints. The people who are, or should be, are the political classes. And the media. And they were the ones who did for Nixon.

    But, as we have seen, Trump has engineered a takeover of the Republican Party, and the media has been shattered by the internet and Trump's onslaught against MSM.

    Interesting times.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    ydoethur said:

    The framers of the Constitution never foresaw a scenario where one criminal could exert complete control over all three branches of the government through a variety of dodgy means. But that is what Trump has.

    Only because they let him.

    The courts or congress could dethrone Trump tomorrow.

    That they have chosen not to for partisan reasons doesn't mean they can't when they figure out they should.

    I say again, that moment will be ugly.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,040
    dixiedean said:

    Apparently Reform will pay the Taliban to take people back.
    That's handy.

    Nice incentive scheme there for the Taliban to ship people to the UK if they can ship people for less than they receive on their return
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    Leon said:

    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy

    Anything you like so long as it's not too critical of Donald Trump, I think you mean.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    "In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism?"

    IMV the main reason the USSR collapsed was that it lied to itself. It spent decades lying throughout the government: targets were set, and if you failed to meet your targets, you were out of a job. Or worse. So if you fail to meet those objectives, you cheat or lie. The component you make is made from tofu dreg instead of the proper material; you made 1,000 instead of the real 700. And if you do that once, the chances are you will have to do it again and again.

    And that's what we're starting to see in the USA. From tech billionaires lying about their tech, to the government trying to control figures.

    It may take some time, but if they continue like this, then yes, there is a comparison.
    No there really isn’t. There is no valid comparison at all. It’s unintelligent bollocks from ignorant, silly people demented by Trump

    Is America changing fast? Yes. Does it have major problems? Yes, but it is also incredibly rich and powerful. Is it like the USSR in 1985?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA no

    A much more interesting comparison is this: America is like Rome as it shifted from Republic to imperial monarchy
    Radicalised by X Leon rejecting a dramatic dystopian prediction in favour of 'it'll probably be boringly alright'? The world is arse over tit.
    I’m not sure it will be “boringly alright” - I never said that. The 2020s have been anything but boring and that looks likely to continue

    It’s more that “really successful countries do not break up or collapse in a heap”. The USSR collapsed because it was an economic car crash, with a history of gulags and oppression and dissent, and it was falling ever further behind its rivals and unable to deliver basic living standards to its people

    This is not the USA
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,520
    In a somewhat strange mirror image of what's just happened in the US overnight:



    Here&There
    @here_there
    ·
    2h
    The rumoured appointment of Torsten Bell leads to a gilt market sell off this am.

    https://x.com/here_there/status/1960241678754734533
  • eekeek Posts: 31,040
    ydoethur said:

    Monetary Commentary
    @monetarycomm

    Unless Congress or the courts back the president, she remains in office, and any attempt to block her participation in votes would invite litigation that markets will read as chaos. The precedent matters more than the personality: if a president can redefine “cause” as “I don’t like your stance,” then Fed independence collapses, and every future rate decision becomes hostage to electoral politics.

    https://x.com/monetarycomm/status/1960182219818885196

    OK, fun scenario:

    Supreme Court sides with Trump and declares that mortgage fraud means somebody cannot hold federal office.

    Vance immediately becomes President.
    They’ve already said that the President is above the law, so a suitable carve out already exists
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy

    Anything you like so long as it's not too critical of Donald Trump, I think you mean.
    Actually I would happily criticise Trump - he’s a buffoon

    However that’s not a very original idea. “Trump is a buffoon”. That’s not going to harvest the clicks
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

    A crucial difference you touch on briefly is that when Truss started the Trussterfuck it was very easy to remove her.

    For Trump to be removed, there are two options:

    1) Invoke the 25th Amendment. This requires Vance to persuade half the cabinet that Trump is off his head (or at least, get them to admit that Trump is off his head) and then either instantly lock him up without access to email or any other sort of communication for a month or persuade two thirds of the House and the Senate to concur. I'll file that under 'will happen the day Cummings shows some intellectual humility.'

    2) Death.

    As (2) hasn't happened yet and hasn't even come close apart from Mr Crooks, we must assume there is no Deep State that will arrange matters, and the Indira Gandhi option seems improbable.

    So we're stuck with this nonsense for four years.

    Republicans in Congress could do plenty to push back, as can Republican states and the Supreme Court. The US system has plenty of checks and balances if someone wants to use them.

    I'm not saying they WILL, but they COULD.
    It's interesting that when my daughter was doing her A levels (she is 25 this year) they were taught about the checks and balances in the US between the President, the Supreme Court and Congress. One of the disadvantages with it being it potentially prevents getting things done. It appears if you are malign you can override this stuff. There don't seem to be any checks and balances on what Trump does now. The Supreme Court and Congress are neutered.
    They're not neutered, they are subservient.

    Either or both of them could stop Trump tomorrow, but at the moment they refuse to act. I assume they think their interests are aligned.

    I am not sure that is true.

    I think the moment they find out is going to be ugly.
    It is worth remembering the Supreme Court had two chances to stop Trump becoming President last year - once when asked to strike him from the ballot, and once when asked to rule on Presidential immunity.

    On the first, they bottled it although with plausible reasoning.

    On the second, their reasoning was literally insane and can only be explained by the desire of a majority of justices to prevent Trump from facing trial for his crimes.

    Congress has also had two chances to get rid of him. On the first impeachment trial, that was the Dems going off at half cock and it is understandable it was rejected. On the second, McConnell demonstrated he is a coward as well as a fool by not whipping the Republicans to vote for conviction despite overwhelming evidence and the gravity of the charges.

    The framers of the Constitution never foresaw a scenario where one criminal could exert complete control over all three branches of the government through a variety of dodgy means. But that is what Trump has. And when you control all three branches, those very checks and balances suddenly work *against* democracy because there is nowhere left to turn to to stop a dictator and no mechanism to do it legally.

    I'm not comparing him to Hitler, but I'm getting strong Louis Napoleon vibes (without the sense of humour or the personal courage).
    General Boulanger

    Napoleon III was competent
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,834

    In a somewhat strange mirror image of what's just happened in the US overnight:



    Here&There
    @here_there
    ·
    2h
    The rumoured appointment of Torsten Bell leads to a gilt market sell off this am.

    https://x.com/here_there/status/1960241678754734533

    Torsten "Ed Stone" Bell.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,584
    carnforth said:

    In a somewhat strange mirror image of what's just happened in the US overnight:



    Here&There
    @here_there
    ·
    2h
    The rumoured appointment of Torsten Bell leads to a gilt market sell off this am.

    https://x.com/here_there/status/1960241678754734533

    Torsten "Ed Stone" Bell.
    Brace?

    BREAKING 🚨: United Kingdom

    UK 30-Year Yield jumps above 5.6%, its highest level since 1998 🤯👀
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,819
    Leon said:

    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy

    You could write a piece on the political journey of my mother-in-law in Connecticut. From young right-on sixties liberal hippie chick to, erm, right-on 2020s liberal aged divorced spinster. Actually, she hasn't moved that far politically. Or indeed geographically. But she's a hell of a cook.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    It’s a measure of your madness that you can write a sentence like this

    “It’s a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?”

    In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism? The USA is the world’s most powerful economy, with major control over history’s most revolutionary technology. Its GDP per capita is racing away from the rest of the west, especially Europe. Unfortunately for us

    Inflation may be jumpy but Americans now out earn Europeans very substantially. Meanwhile Trump is making sure America does not get involved in any stupid pointless wars - unlike too many of his predecessors

    The USA is not the Soviet Union in 1985. You’re all completely bonkers
    "In what possible ways does the USA of 2025 resemble the USSR before the collapse of communism?"

    IMV the main reason the USSR collapsed was that it lied to itself. It spent decades lying throughout the government: targets were set, and if you failed to meet your targets, you were out of a job. Or worse. So if you fail to meet those objectives, you cheat or lie. The component you make is made from tofu dreg instead of the proper material; you made 1,000 instead of the real 700. And if you do that once, the chances are you will have to do it again and again.

    And that's what we're starting to see in the USA. From tech billionaires lying about their tech, to the government trying to control figures.

    It may take some time, but if they continue like this, then yes, there is a comparison.
    No there really isn’t. There is no valid comparison at all. It’s unintelligent bollocks from ignorant, silly people demented by Trump

    Is America changing fast? Yes. Does it have major problems? Yes, but it is also incredibly rich and powerful. Is it like the USSR in 1985?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA no

    A much more interesting comparison is this: America is like Rome as it shifted from Republic to imperial monarchy
    Radicalised by X Leon rejecting a dramatic dystopian prediction in favour of 'it'll probably be boringly alright'? The world is arse over tit.
    Long resisted this but here I go with a debut Yes Minister offering:

    I extrapolate to foresee what others cannot
    You are prone to wild hyperbole
    He is a raving lunatic completely detached from reality
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,846
    Leon said:

    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy

    How New Yorkers including Jews (as evidenced by my pal and his Jewish wife who I saw at the weekend) are remaining resistant to the smearing of Mamdani by MAGAs and the Dem establishment?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy

    Anything you like so long as it's not too critical of Donald Trump, I think you mean.
    Actually I would happily criticise Trump - he’s a buffoon

    However that’s not a very original idea. “Trump is a buffoon”. That’s not going to harvest the clicks
    How about Kamala was Cassandra ?

    Kamala Harris at her closing campaign rally:

    "Donald Trump intends to use the United States Military against American citizens who simply disagree with him."

    https://x.com/AdamJSchwarz/status/1959668963995996162
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,807
    Interesting presser with FukU so far. Big on statements, light on details.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,819
    In case it hasn't been posted. Maybe the weather had something to do with it but when discussing a dip post-Rwanda announcement in 2022 someone on here told me it was never the weather. Now Labour's in charge maybe those rules have changed.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    Leon said:

    The USSR collapsed because it was an economic car crash, with a history of gulags and oppression and dissent, and it was falling ever further behind its rivals and unable to deliver basic living standards to its people

    This is not the USA

    Ok, let's look at the list

    economic car crash - Trump is well on his way to that

    gulags - check

    oppression and dissent - check

    falling ever further behind its rivals - see below*

    unable to deliver basic living standards to its people - working on it, assuming you mean healthcare and education for example

    *Japan Post just announced they will no longer deliver mail to the United States, joining Germany, Austria, Denmark, Italy, France, and Sweden.
    Among all the other things, "The President has screwed things up so badly that the world's other rich countries won't deliver mail to us anymore" really should end it immediately.

    So, yes, the USA is not like the USSR, yet, but Trump badly wants it to be.

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,770
    Cicero said:

    Its going to be a fun day in the markets.

    Trump is getting quite close to the consequences of his stupidity. US employment numbers already flashing red for a recession, now the absolute fuckwittery of the racist attack on the Fed (for, dear reader, that is what it is). Seems like US Inflation is going to be well into double figures within six months if this clown keeps going. That adds up to a nasty dose of stagflation, and with so many Us workers living pay check to pay check, there is going to be an awful lot of misery out there.

    Its a crisis in the US, certainly, could it be the mirror of the Soviet crisis 40 years ago?

    In the meantime the US has a Truss they can't get rid of.

    I think US would already be in recession were it not for the AI boom/bubble.

    Personally I'm surprised markets remain relatively relaxed about Trump. I'm trying to limit US exposure in my savings. AI exposure too, that one sure looks like a bubble to me.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,117
    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Can I give a big shout out to the classy Newcastle fans who gave a sixteen year old boy abuse for scoring a goal.

    No wonder you're happy being run by a country who executes teenagers and murders dissents.

    #FreeIsak

    Sorry, you support a team that forces children to work ?
    I am given to believe that 16 is over the age of football consent. Provided that parental consent is given and the correct jumpers for goalposts.
    It's actually the season in which they turn 16. I think Arsenal wanted to play Max Dowman last season!
    AIUI they can't sign a professional contract until 17, so they're on apprentice terms. So it seems a big risk for the player, potential injury and loss of career earnings, does anyone know if these kids are covered for that?
    If not I'm surprised their parents/agents allow them to play.
    I guess you could argue that they're as likely to get injured playing youth football, but it must be a worry!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting in my sitting room with shelves cleared. Going away for a few days

    When I get back all the walls will be a different colour entirely. It’s a slightly unsettling feeling

    Turquoise? ;)
    I’ve gone for a very bold blue. Hick’s Blue. Slightly nervous

    But I’m bored of these polite greys and creams and greige. I’m not getting any younger and I want to turn my flat into something radical - opulently weird. Stage set for Act 3

    Halfway there but this is a big step

    I guess if I hate it I can always paint it back. There is that
    When I was in my early 20s I painted my living room a gorgeous rich shade of red. I loved that red.

    It was an awful choice for all four walls of a living room though.

    Sadly it is the case that the darker the colour you have on your walls the smaller and darker the room will feel. This is fine for a bedroom you won't spend much time in awake, but it's a mistake for any other room.

    You can get away with it on one or two walls, depending on how large your windows are, but any more than that will make you feel trapped in a small box.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,040

    Interesting presser with FukU so far. Big on statements, light on details.

    Because the details show how impossible the statements are
  • isamisam Posts: 42,361
    DougSeal said:

    In case it hasn't been posted. Maybe the weather had something to do with it but when discussing a dip post-Rwanda announcement in 2022 someone on here told me it was never the weather. Now Labour's in charge maybe those rules have changed.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

    The Times says it was the weather. I hadn’t noticed it was particularly bad. What do you think? Does the weather play a big part?

    Six boats packed with people launched from the French beaches on Monday after 212 asylum seekers made the crossing in four boats on Sunday. It represents a renewed surge after ten days of bad weather caused a lull in crossings.


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/e42d8fa0-a796-4cf9-8738-864b98a0d5ca?shareToken=d3d1030ac55488efd080d8c655b54a16
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,117
    isam said:

    DougSeal said:

    In case it hasn't been posted. Maybe the weather had something to do with it but when discussing a dip post-Rwanda announcement in 2022 someone on here told me it was never the weather. Now Labour's in charge maybe those rules have changed.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

    The Times says it was the weather. I hadn’t noticed it was particularly bad. What do you think? Does the weather play a big part?

    Six boats packed with people launched from the French beaches on Monday after 212 asylum seekers made the crossing in four boats on Sunday. It represents a renewed surge after ten days of bad weather caused a lull in crossings.


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/e42d8fa0-a796-4cf9-8738-864b98a0d5ca?shareToken=d3d1030ac55488efd080d8c655b54a16
    Wind from the north and/or east for much of the previous week.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,954
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy

    Anything you like so long as it's not too critical of Donald Trump, I think you mean.
    Actually I would happily criticise Trump - he’s a buffoon

    However that’s not a very original idea. “Trump is a buffoon”. That’s not going to harvest the clicks
    That's my point. For clicks you'll have to tickle your audience-sphere not challenge it. And tbf I wouldn't expect otherwise. You're a working man not a secular saint oblivious to his own welfare.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    Leon said:

    The gazette wants me to write ANYTHING I LIKE about America

    I have no ideas. Cmon PB give me ideas. You guys are good for that. No I’m not going to write about states seceding. That’s barmy

    Get them to send you to Idaho. It seems to be the state with the fastest-growing population, but I also read it's experiencing an exodus of obstetricians since banning abortion. As the 3rd most Republican state in the Union, you'd certainly get a sense of whether the Trump heartlands are happy with how things are panning out.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,120

    Interesting presser with FukU so far. Big on statements, light on details.

    Zia Yusuf promising a "deportation command". Not quite as edgy-sounding as ICE, but not a bad effort.

    They do seem to be going full-Trump.

    One thing that strikes is quite how un-English a politician Farage is. He's a Poujadist really. Maybe it's his French name?
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