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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512
    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and why it looks great but is really problematic when actually implemented (look at question, forward message to appropriate system, spend x00 tokens ensuring appropriate system understands the context).

    Thanks, will take a look. Early reports of 5 are that it’s something of a step backwards, at least initially.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    Buy more shovels. The gold is really, really close to being found...
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,370
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I will put 5 Scottish Pounds on Reform.

    I don't expect to win, but 12-1 seem very fair odds.

    Yes

    SNP is a risk. To make any money at 1/6 you’d have to pile on. I don’t believe, in these volatile times, they are a dead certainty

    Reform at 12/1 is generous
    the SNP have a unique selling point in Scotland. All the other parties are fishing in the same - be part of the UK pond...

    Hence I can see the SNP easily winning on 30-35% while the other parties win more votes between them but very few constituency seats.
    But Reform are surging everywhere

    And all it takes for the SNP to plunge is for a lot of Indy supporters to think “ok I still want Indy, but THIS is more important for now, Indy can wait”

    If THIS is migrants/asylum/woke wars, then Reform become the only option

    Not likely in Scotland. But not impossible
    Are Reform still "surging"? They didn't do so well in the last set of by-elections and they seem to be unable to defend many, at least, of the seats they won last time round..
    Yes they're still doing well, but maybe not quite so well.
    No, I’ve been saying for a couple of weeks now that they have peaked around 32%.

    I think this is their high water mark for the time being.
    The interesting thing in recent polls is not the Reform vote (it seems to bounce around 28-33) but the continuing fall in Labour and the little uptick for the Tories

    Could just be The Holibobs Effect
    Yes, you’re right, the interst8ng stuff is what is happening below Reform who seem pretty stable.

    This is all before the Corbyn/Sultana vanity project, if it ever actually gets going, and what impact that will have and the probable victory of the hard left Polanski as leader of the Greens.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    As long as the money is still being thrown at people like Altman, keep buying NVidia stock.

    They’re the ones selling shovels in the new gold rush.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,947

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    See my edit - the problem is the new approach means context needs to be provided and refreshed continually
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,184

    eek said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    They tried this same line of attack with Sunak over being soft on paedos.
    How the f**k does OSA make revenge porn harder? The victim knows who the guilty party is - and all sites have required content "creators" to provide details for decades...
    Its more of Labour thrashing around in regards to the OSA looking for a narrative that it does really save the kids.
    It also tells me they’ve discovered the OSA is really unpopular with young people. Which it is
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,848
    edited August 17
    eek said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    See my edit - the problem is the new approach means context needs to be provided and refreshed continually
    Yes I was aware of the switcher that supposedly "routes" queries.

    It isn't hard to see the different behaviours. The "how many states have whatever letter" can return anywhere from utter garbage to the correct answer depending on a) luck and b) more careful prompting, but the one that gets the right answer takes like 45s and when you look at all the steps it takes, its mental. It startes wondering if Washington DC is a state, then if Puerto Rico is a state, then it makes mistakes, then it corrects those mistakes, then it has to check it has corrected the mistakes. Its about 7 step process.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512
    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    Buy more shovels. The gold is really, really close to being found...
    Yup, and buy shares in the companies selling the shovels not those looking for the gold.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618
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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,726
    edited August 17

    Just back from two very pleasant weeks in the auld country. No doubt the SNP have presided over many failures (we experienced a little of the ferry issues firsthand) but at the same time my sense from all my interactions was of a country at ease with itself. Local facilities were largely well maintained, even the most isolated social housing estates seemed recently painted and there was a general hum of cheerfulness about the place. If I were a Scottish resident I'm not sure I'd be desperate to turf out the Nats.

    Fair play, I know that the SNP are not your preference by a long way.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,184

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    Your comment on this was very enlightening. How young people are scorning the OSA. Ta
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,370
    edited August 17
    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    Buy more shovels. The gold is really, really close to being found...
    ‘Never a better time to buy shovels’ says the Institute for shovel manufacturers.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,433
    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    You could blind every child and stop them seeing pornographic or violent images. Or make using the internet illegal.

    Taking cyanide prevents obesity getting worse, but that doesn't mean it's a great treatment plan.
    The attitude in our house which our kids understand is that we’re not stopping them getting access to the internet. We are stopping the internet getting access to them. I am not usually one for banning things but I’d implement an immediate smart phone and social media bans on all under 16s and be done with it.
    How things change.

    A while back I mentioned how a relative, who runs a building business, handles internet access.

    On his sites (houses being striped back to the bricks - even the floors and roof generally go) he sets up temporary WiFi for work purposes. High speed. But he blocks all social media IP addresses.

    Some of the now OSA fan club here described this as nasty, mean etc. As if access to social media was a human right.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512
    carnforth said:

    Roger said:

    I wrote on the previous thread how much I was enjoying the audiobook of Nicola Sturgeon titled 'Frankly'. Turbotubbs replied

    "I'm amazed she recalls enough to write an essay, let alone a book. A mendacious, devious liar who tried to frame Alec Salmond, played politics over COVID and is married to a man charged with embezzling money from the party she led. Someone who believes men in a dress ought to be in a woman's prison because of them saying they are a woman"

    All I can say knowing less about her than you obviously do is that I've always been a fan and this book hasn't changed that. I've long admired her values and her loathing of racism and prejudice which is evident throughout the book and was in all her appearances. Scottish politics is clearly a bear pit and how she managed to navigate it has to be admired and respected. I have to say despite her tough gal exterior I find it quite moving and for anyone wanting to know more about Scottish politics I can't think of a better place to start

    As someone pointed out elsewhere, all six recommendations on the back cover are from people who don't live in Scotland. Apparently she's easy to like from a distance.

    Here's a counterpoint from The Times:

    https://archive.is/tYcCk
    JK Rowling wrote a long review, so the rest of us don’t have to actually read the book.

    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/the-twilight-of-nicola-sturgeon-j-k-rowling-reviews-frankly/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,184
    At the dawn of the Age of Fire, everyone with a spark and a dream thought they could make it big. Tribes launched “start-up hearths” everywhere, promising reliable flames and round-the-clock warmth. Investors (chiefs with surplus mammoth meat) piled in, dazzled by slogans like “Fire: The Future of Light and Heat™.” But building bonfires was costly, accidents frequent, and consumer uptake shaky - many villagers still preferred the “legacy system” of shivering in the dark. Most ventures fizzled out, quite literally, when someone forgot to keep the embers alive.

    Out of this fiery chaos, a few giants survived. The West Cave Consortium and East River Hearthworks merged to form United Flame, while the spark-happy inventor Og of Rockface pivoted from “burning huts” to the more profitable “cooking meat.” By the end, just a handful of monopolies controlled fire distribution, charging obscene prices in charred sticks, and the dreamers who once shouted “flame for every cave!” were left bankrupt, cold, and gnawing raw venison.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,947

    STRICTLY COME QUIETLY Fresh scandal hits Strictly as BBC call in cops after external probe into show weeks before new series starts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/36324162/scandal-strictly-cops-bbc-external-probe/

    Posted mainly for the headline. Look and learn, TSE.

    The cocaine story rehashed - meh...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,876

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    I hope some decent team on Savile Row are crafting a perfectly tailored suit for Zelensky with the finest shirts, ties and shoes waiting for him too so that when he does turn up in a suit it will highlight how terrible the suits are that are worn by Trump and co as well as the dreadful ties and pretty generally ordinary shoes.

    Every American I’ve met has zero style and ability to dress well so it’s a bit of a cheek for their leadership to demand others dress “correctly”.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    That is a very sad and profound cartoon

    Helpless best describes how Europe, including UK, are in this utterly depressing state of affairs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,184

    eek said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    See my edit - the problem is the new approach means context needs to be provided and refreshed continually
    Yes I was aware of the switcher that supposedly "routes" queries.

    It isn't hard to see the different behaviours. The "how many states have whatever letter" can return anywhere from utter garbage to the correct answer depending on a) luck and b) more careful prompting, but the one that gets the right answer takes like 45s and when you look at all the steps it takes, its mental. It startes wondering if Washington DC is a state, then if Puerto Rico is a state, then it makes mistakes, then it corrects those mistakes, then it has to check it has corrected the mistakes. Its about 7 step process.
    I’ve just DM’d you on a particular subject
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,848
    edited August 17
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Are we still pushing this BS line....

    You don't need the government to do this. Pretty much all ISPs and a load of app offer content restriction that will stop little kids seeing dodgy stuff. You click one button to turn it on. And you shouldn't be giving your young kids unsupervised access to the internet, just like you don't let them do lots of other things.

    But like the OSA, if kids want to see boobies, it isn't that hard to work around these these.

    The real solution is a) content filters when they are young, b) educate your kids in the meantime of the dangers of the internet. Not hoping that big brother government will solve it, because they are morons and won't.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,726
    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    Roger said:

    I wrote on the previous thread how much I was enjoying the audiobook of Nicola Sturgeon titled 'Frankly'. Turbotubbs replied

    "I'm amazed she recalls enough to write an essay, let alone a book. A mendacious, devious liar who tried to frame Alec Salmond, played politics over COVID and is married to a man charged with embezzling money from the party she led. Someone who believes men in a dress ought to be in a woman's prison because of them saying they are a woman"

    All I can say knowing less about her than you obviously do is that I've always been a fan and this book hasn't changed that. I've long admired her values and her loathing of racism and prejudice which is evident throughout the book and was in all her appearances. Scottish politics is clearly a bear pit and how she managed to navigate it has to be admired and respected. I have to say despite her tough gal exterior I find it quite moving and for anyone wanting to know more about Scottish politics I can't think of a better place to start

    As someone pointed out elsewhere, all six recommendations on the back cover are from people who don't live in Scotland. Apparently she's easy to like from a distance.

    Here's a counterpoint from The Times:

    https://archive.is/tYcCk
    JK Rowling wrote a long review, so the rest of us don’t have to actually read the book.

    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/the-twilight-of-nicola-sturgeon-j-k-rowling-reviews-frankly/
    Big 'I let other people tell me what to think' vibe.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404
    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    They tried this same line of attack with Sunak over being soft on paedos.
    How the f**k does OSA make revenge porn harder? The victim knows who the guilty party is - and all sites have required content "creators" to provide details for decades...
    Its more of Labour thrashing around in regards to the OSA looking for a narrative that it does really save the kids.
    It also tells me they’ve discovered the OSA is really unpopular with young people. Which it is
    My granddaughter and her fellow students are furious about it and she told me there is a petition of 500,000 opposing it

    It does look a very unpopular measure in the student population
  • eekeek Posts: 30,947

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    So we move from needing a developer working from a poorly written spec where when they identify issues they call up the person who made the request to needing a prompt writer able to identify the issues and phrase the request the correct way.

    I'm at a loss as to the gains here....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,433

    eek said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    They tried this same line of attack with Sunak over being soft on paedos.
    How the f**k does OSA make revenge porn harder? The victim knows who the guilty party is - and all sites have required content "creators" to provide details for decades...
    Its more of Labour thrashing around in regards to the OSA looking for a narrative that it does really save the kids.
    When Raul Moat was having his little rampage, all those years back, I overheard a conversation on the train (District line - heading in the direction of Westminster)

    A lady was on the phone, broadcasting here conversation to the whole carriage.

    “Tell the minister, that unfortunately, it looks like the gun was illegally acquired, so we can’t use that for our gun control agenda.” - not to the word, but exact enough.

    On the OSA - They’ll be trawling for a tragedy
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404

    Just back from two very pleasant weeks in the auld country. No doubt the SNP have presided over many failures (we experienced a little of the ferry issues firsthand) but at the same time my sense from all my interactions was of a country at ease with itself. Local facilities were largely well maintained, even the most isolated social housing estates seemed recently painted and there was a general hum of cheerfulness about the place. If I were a Scottish resident I'm not sure I'd be desperate to turf out the Nats.

    Fair play, I know that the SNP are not your preference by a long way.
    I am not a SNP fan but they are very much better than returning to a labour run Scotland
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,332
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I will put 5 Scottish Pounds on Reform.

    I don't expect to win, but 12-1 seem very fair odds.

    Yes

    SNP is a risk. To make any money at 1/6 you’d have to pile on. I don’t believe, in these volatile times, they are a dead certainty

    Reform at 12/1 is generous
    the SNP have a unique selling point in Scotland. All the other parties are fishing in the same - be part of the UK pond...

    Hence I can see the SNP easily winning on 30-35% while the other parties win more votes between them but very few constituency seats.
    If the other parties want to beat the SNP they should try being more than just anti independence parties. If Labour and the Lib Dems concentrated on social democracy and if the Conservatives concentrated on conservative policies, and stopped framing everything as unionist first, they might sway the argument away from Independence. The SNP talk more about social democracy than independence, to the disappointment of many of their supporters. However, the media seem to be more fixated on independence than any other, currently more relevant, issues.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,848
    Leon said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    See my edit - the problem is the new approach means context needs to be provided and refreshed continually
    Yes I was aware of the switcher that supposedly "routes" queries.

    It isn't hard to see the different behaviours. The "how many states have whatever letter" can return anywhere from utter garbage to the correct answer depending on a) luck and b) more careful prompting, but the one that gets the right answer takes like 45s and when you look at all the steps it takes, its mental. It startes wondering if Washington DC is a state, then if Puerto Rico is a state, then it makes mistakes, then it corrects those mistakes, then it has to check it has corrected the mistakes. Its about 7 step process.
    I’ve just DM’d you on a particular subject
    No DM received.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,350

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    That is young people deliberately viewing porn. I think this particular concern was younger children whose parents have not engaged the child safety features offered on their phones or routers might accidentally stumble across porn somewhere other than on a porn site, or violence. I am surprised pb still allows links to footage of Russian tank crews being blown up.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,997
    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    The irony is that sat above the level where people are being impacted - the quality of what most AI generates is roughly that of an unmotivated, unmanaged indian graduate outsourced dev.

    There was of course a story recently about the 'AI' coding company who were in fact 'Actually Indians' writing code for minimum wage
    also those amazon shops in central london which relied on 3rd world lackees watching security cameras at all times
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    As was said repeatedly at the time, trying to ban teenagers from looking at stuff inevitably leads to the teenagers becoming experts on evading the ban.

    I also witnessed it first hand when living in Dubai, that every housewife knows how to get BBC iPlayer working and every man knows how to get Sky Sports.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,370
    I’ve been using Grok and Claude pretty effectively. As a glorified internet search. Homebrew problem solving, recipes for wines, how to do stuff around the house. Been pretty good.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300
    eek said:

    STRICTLY COME QUIETLY Fresh scandal hits Strictly as BBC call in cops after external probe into show weeks before new series starts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/36324162/scandal-strictly-cops-bbc-external-probe/

    Posted mainly for the headline. Look and learn, TSE.

    The cocaine story rehashed - meh...
    It’s the fault of that perverted Welshman Wyn Evans.

    Ever since it was shown that he is a bit of a sleaze ball he’s been throwing everyone under the bus.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    That is a very sad and profound cartoon

    Helpless best describes how Europe, including UK, are in this utterly depressing state of affairs
    Some European leaders are apparently accompanying Zelensky to Washington tomorrow
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    Did you tell her it was your party that introduced the OSA?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    That is young people deliberately viewing porn. I think this particular concern was younger children whose parents have not engaged the child safety features offered on their phones or routers might accidentally stumble across porn somewhere other than on a porn site, or violence. I am surprised pb still allows links to footage of Russian tank crews being blown up.
    It depends on how you describe young children

    Very few parents allow very young children phones or internet access, and I doubt many under 10 have a phone but notwithstanding, the OSA will not prevent children accessing inappropriate web sites
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,726
    A sign of some Euroballs at last?

    Antonello Guerrera
    @antoguerrera
    ·
    4m
    BREAKING. Italian PM Giorgia Meloni has cancelled her vacation. She's back in Rome and is poised to join Zelensky and other European leaders in Washington tomorrow.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300
    I am happy to offer President Zelenskyy some fashion advice to ensure he’s suitably dressed for the White House tomorrow.

    You can never go wrong with a morning suit and loafers.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,738

    Just back from two very pleasant weeks in the auld country. No doubt the SNP have presided over many failures (we experienced a little of the ferry issues firsthand) but at the same time my sense from all my interactions was of a country at ease with itself. Local facilities were largely well maintained, even the most isolated social housing estates seemed recently painted and there was a general hum of cheerfulness about the place. If I were a Scottish resident I'm not sure I'd be desperate to turf out the Nats.

    Fair play, I know that the SNP are not your preference by a long way.
    Indeed, I would vote Labour still, but my admittedly superficial impression from my two week holiday was that Scotland seems in a good state. Maybe Westminster politicians have something to learn from that.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,563
    Carnyx said:

    ... in and furth of Scotland...

    Never read that phrase "in and furth of" before. I shall steal it.

  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,795
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    As long as the money is still being thrown at people like Altman, keep buying NVidia stock.

    They’re the ones selling shovels in the new gold rush.
    They’re also the company that crashes hardest if the AI boom down turn out to be a bubble. Motorola was crushed by the Internet crash.

    There are many echoes of the 1999 Internet bubble here. Especially the pattern of VC companies pouring money into companies who are selling services at huge discounts in order to gain market share, combined with the hardware manufacturers boosting income by loaning money / hardware to their own client.

    That doesn’t mean that this boom isn’t real - but it does make it very, very hard to distinguish it from a bubble because at this point in the cycle they both look the same & the VC ecosystem is very, very good at turning investment $ into “income” $ on the books of the various companies involved to juice the stock valuations they rely on to draw in fresh investment. The whole thing could easily be an elaborate kayfabe that will inevitably fall apart in dramatic fashion. Or not! From the outside it’s very hard to tell - we can’t see inside the books of the entire ecosystem & you can’t trust the income claims by the various players to be a reliable indicator of real demand.

    Of course, the Internet boom was ultimately shown to be correct, but early. AI is (obviously) going to be transformational in some way - but that doesn’t mean the current players are going to survive long enough to make it out the other end.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618
    Will Starmer be the only European leader not in Washington?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    Did you tell her it was your party that introduced the OSA?
    Last time I looked it was labour who legislated for it, but I didn't need to talk about whose idea it was as they will blame the government of the day
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512
    edited August 17
    StarmerBot has woken up again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1957005625096856019

    I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.

    If someone doesn’t have the right to be in this country, we won’t allow them to stay. I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.


    It’s getting seriously embarrassing now, surely his opponents are going to be putting these Tweets on billboards soon?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    That is a very sad and profound cartoon

    Helpless best describes how Europe, including UK, are in this utterly depressing state of affairs
    Some European leaders are apparently accompanying Zelensky to Washington tomorrow
    I know but it all seems pointless as this will be carved up with Trump and Putin
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,184

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    See my edit - the problem is the new approach means context needs to be provided and refreshed continually
    Yes I was aware of the switcher that supposedly "routes" queries.

    It isn't hard to see the different behaviours. The "how many states have whatever letter" can return anywhere from utter garbage to the correct answer depending on a) luck and b) more careful prompting, but the one that gets the right answer takes like 45s and when you look at all the steps it takes, its mental. It startes wondering if Washington DC is a state, then if Puerto Rico is a state, then it makes mistakes, then it corrects those mistakes, then it has to check it has corrected the mistakes. Its about 7 step process.
    I’ve just DM’d you on a particular subject
    No DM received.
    Done
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,370
    Phil said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    As long as the money is still being thrown at people like Altman, keep buying NVidia stock.

    They’re the ones selling shovels in the new gold rush.
    They’re also the company that crashes hardest if the AI boom down turn out to be a bubble. Motorola was crushed by the Internet crash.

    There are many echoes of the 1999 Internet bubble here. Especially the pattern of VC companies pouring money into companies who are selling services at huge discounts in order to gain market share, combined with the hardware manufacturers boosting income by loaning money / hardware to their own client.

    That doesn’t mean that this boom isn’t real - but it does make it very, very hard to distinguish it from a bubble because at this point in the cycle they both look the same & the VC ecosystem is very, very good at turning investment $ into “income” $ on the books of the various companies involved to juice the stock valuations they rely on to draw in fresh investment. The whole thing could easily be an elaborate kayfabe that will inevitably fall apart in dramatic fashion. Or not! From the outside it’s very hard to tell - we can’t see inside the books of the entire ecosystem & you can’t trust the income claims by the various players to be a reliable indicator of real demand.

    Of course, the Internet boom was ultimately shown to be correct, but early. AI is (obviously) going to be transformational in some way - but that doesn’t mean the current players are going to survive long enough to make it out the other end.
    Not only is this a very thoughtful post, and true, I’m well impressed at the use of ‘kayfabe’ too.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,947
    edited August 17
    Phil said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    As long as the money is still being thrown at people like Altman, keep buying NVidia stock.

    They’re the ones selling shovels in the new gold rush.
    They’re also the company that crashes hardest if the AI boom down turn out to be a bubble. Motorola was crushed by the Internet crash.

    There are many echoes of the 1999 Internet bubble here. Especially the pattern of VC companies pouring money into companies who are selling services at huge discounts in order to gain market share, combined with the hardware manufacturers boosting income by loaning money / hardware to their own client.

    That doesn’t mean that this boom isn’t real - but it does make it very, very hard to distinguish it from a bubble because at this point in the cycle they both look the same & the VC ecosystem is very, very good at turning investment $ into “income” $ on the books of the various companies involved to juice the stock valuations they rely on to draw in fresh investment. The whole thing could easily be an elaborate kayfabe that will inevitably fall apart in dramatic fashion. Or not! From the outside it’s very hard to tell - we can’t see inside the books of the entire ecosystem & you can’t trust the income claims by the various players to be a reliable indicator of real demand.

    Of course, the Internet boom was ultimately shown to be correct, but early. AI is (obviously) going to be transformational in some way - but that doesn’t mean the current players are going to survive long enough to make it out the other end.
    The incentive for Softbank to invest in OpenAi in it's new we are worth $500bn investment round is that it confirms it's current shareholding (bought in previous rounds at valuations up to $300bn) was a profitable investment based on the new valuation of $500bn.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512
    edited August 17
    Von der Layen added to the Ukranian delegation heading to Washington.

    https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/1957015978383999422

    Who else do we know that’s been confirmed?

    Edit: looks like Georgia Meloni has cancelled her holiday, she’s on the way too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,848
    edited August 17
    Sandpit said:

    StarmerBot has woken up again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1957005625096856019

    I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.

    If someone doesn’t have the right to be in this country, we won’t allow them to stay. I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.


    It’s getting seriously embarrassing now, surely his opponents are going to be putting these Tweets on billboards soon?

    He is making himself a hostage to fortune with this stuff that he knows he can't deliver unless he intends to exit all these international treaties, rewrite UK law and solve the NI / GFA issue that will arise, and all in the next year or two.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300
    edited August 17

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    Did you tell her it was your party that introduced the OSA?
    Last time I looked it was labour who legislated for it, but I didn't need to talk about whose idea it was as they will blame the government of the day
    Well you’re wrong, it was the Tories who brought in the OSA legislation, perhaps you should read up on it before commenting on it further.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618
    Sandpit said:

    Von der Layen added to the Ukranian delegation heading to Washington.

    https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/1957015978383999422

    Who else do we know that’s been confirmed?

    Merz
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618
    It is a curious phenomenon that the people most disappointed by the Scots are the same folk who profess to love Scotland more than anyone else. This is one of the underappreciated lessons of Nicola Sturgeon’s memoirs. The people, you see, have let her down.

    The Scottish people, she writes are “full of bravado” but “when push comes to shove” they “lack the gumption to follow through”. Only this mass outbreak of cowardice, you see, can explain some people’s disinclination to support the SNP and the idea of independence. This discreditable weakness “flows from, and in turn feeds, a chronic lack of national confidence”. Ask not what your nation can do for you, ask how you can make your nation feel better about itself. As summaries of modern Scottish nationalism go, that will go far enough.


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/d762eb38-ae87-4953-885c-2ba173d0b261
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,370
    edited August 17

    eek said:

    STRICTLY COME QUIETLY Fresh scandal hits Strictly as BBC call in cops after external probe into show weeks before new series starts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/36324162/scandal-strictly-cops-bbc-external-probe/

    Posted mainly for the headline. Look and learn, TSE.

    The cocaine story rehashed - meh...
    It’s the fault of that perverted Welshman Wyn Evans.

    Ever since it was shown that he is a bit of a sleaze ball he’s been throwing everyone under the bus.
    Well it was also bullying allegations against dancers as well.

    Strictly, Masterchef, BBC Breakfast.

    What is it with these flagship BBC shows and their on air ‘talent’ and behind the scenes ‘talent’
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    Did you tell her it was your party that introduced the OSA?
    Last time I looked it was labour who legislated for it, but I didn't need to talk about whose idea it was as they will blame the government of the day
    Well you’re wrong, it was the Tories who brought in the OSA legislation, perhaps you should read up on it before commenting on it further.
    Not really - I know who the students blame for it and that is politics

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    They are going to lose their shit once they find out Churchill turned up to the White House in a onesie.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,370
    Sandpit said:

    Von der Layen added to the Ukranian delegation heading to Washington.

    https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/1957015978383999422

    Who else do we know that’s been confirmed?

    Edit: looks like Georgia Meloni has cancelled her holiday, she’s on the way too.

    They can go but will Trump agree to see them ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,095
    Battlebus said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I will put 5 Scottish Pounds on Reform.

    I don't expect to win, but 12-1 seem very fair odds.

    Would Reform winning in Scotland be an even bigger sell out than the Union of the Crowns?
    The Scots took over our Crown so if anyone sold out, it was the English.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,350

    eek said:

    STRICTLY COME QUIETLY Fresh scandal hits Strictly as BBC call in cops after external probe into show weeks before new series starts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/36324162/scandal-strictly-cops-bbc-external-probe/

    Posted mainly for the headline. Look and learn, TSE.

    The cocaine story rehashed - meh...
    It’s the fault of that perverted Welshman Wyn Evans.

    Ever since it was shown that he is a bit of a sleaze ball he’s been throwing everyone under the bus.
    The Sun says the police investigation is into something else, presumably that was uncovered by the BBC investigation into icing sugar.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,095
    On topic, great to have a thread about the betting again but I can't say I'm attracted by these odds.

    I might stick a fiver on Reform, but not at 12/1.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,350

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    They are going to lose their shit once they find out Churchill turned up to the White House in a onesie.
    That is why President Obama removed the bust of the siren-suited limey from the Oval Office.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,433
    Phil said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    As long as the money is still being thrown at people like Altman, keep buying NVidia stock.

    They’re the ones selling shovels in the new gold rush.
    They’re also the company that crashes hardest if the AI boom down turn out to be a bubble. Motorola was crushed by the Internet crash.

    There are many echoes of the 1999 Internet bubble here. Especially the pattern of VC companies pouring money into companies who are selling services at huge discounts in order to gain market share, combined with the hardware manufacturers boosting income by loaning money / hardware to their own client.

    That doesn’t mean that this boom isn’t real - but it does make it very, very hard to distinguish it from a bubble because at this point in the cycle they both look the same & the VC ecosystem is very, very good at turning investment $ into “income” $ on the books of the various companies involved to juice the stock valuations they rely on to draw in fresh investment. The whole thing could easily be an elaborate kayfabe that will inevitably fall apart in dramatic fashion. Or not! From the outside it’s very hard to tell - we can’t see inside the books of the entire ecosystem & you can’t trust the income claims by the various players to be a reliable indicator of real demand.

    Of course, the Internet boom was ultimately shown to be correct, but early. AI is (obviously) going to be transformational in some way - but that doesn’t mean the current players are going to survive long enough to make it out the other end.
    True AI isn’t going to happen via this tech.

    What these systems do is guesstimate an answer.

    And need supervision. It can’t work on its own - it’s an enthusiastic junior which makes lots of mistakes. Subtle or not, these mistakes will be fatal. So it needs to be used by domain expert humans.

    The other issue, which hasn’t been resolved is cost. Is a junior human coder actually cheaper than an LLM?

    I suspect the bubble will continue until one of the big guys in this put up their prices to move to the profit phase. That will trigger the avalanche.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,095

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    They are going to lose their shit once they find out Churchill turned up to the White House in a onesie.
    And did the full flash to Roosevelt post bath.

    I honestly haven't got a clue why they're so obsessed with Zelensky wearing a suit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618
    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: France's president Emmanuel Macron and Finnish president Alexander Stubb are the latest European leaders to say they will attend Zelenskyy and Trump's meeting
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,795
    Taz said:

    Phil said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    @Sandpit before I wander off and teach AI to read some payslips have you seen Ed Zitron's article on how ChatGPT 5 seems to work

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/how-does-gpt-5-work/

    One of those areas where you see the process flow and see why it looks great but is really problematic in person.

    Sam Altman is rapidly turning into Elon Musk, he is now claiming, it is really really good, honest, it just we don't have enough GPUs at the moment.

    They have now also released a load of docs telling you how you have to be really careful with your prompts when asking for help with coding and it will do the wrong thing if you don't follow them. The whole points of these LLMs is supposed they are getting better and make it easier to write code, not that I have to carefully construct my point with a load of xml tags before it will do the right thing. That is just changing one form of coding into another.
    As long as the money is still being thrown at people like Altman, keep buying NVidia stock.

    They’re the ones selling shovels in the new gold rush.
    They’re also the company that crashes hardest if the AI boom down turn out to be a bubble. Motorola was crushed by the Internet crash.

    There are many echoes of the 1999 Internet bubble here. Especially the pattern of VC companies pouring money into companies who are selling services at huge discounts in order to gain market share, combined with the hardware manufacturers boosting income by loaning money / hardware to their own client.

    That doesn’t mean that this boom isn’t real - but it does make it very, very hard to distinguish it from a bubble because at this point in the cycle they both look the same & the VC ecosystem is very, very good at turning investment $ into “income” $ on the books of the various companies involved to juice the stock valuations they rely on to draw in fresh investment. The whole thing could easily be an elaborate kayfabe that will inevitably fall apart in dramatic fashion. Or not! From the outside it’s very hard to tell - we can’t see inside the books of the entire ecosystem & you can’t trust the income claims by the various players to be a reliable indicator of real demand.

    Of course, the Internet boom was ultimately shown to be correct, but early. AI is (obviously) going to be transformational in some way - but that doesn’t mean the current players are going to survive long enough to make it out the other end.
    Not only is this a very thoughtful post, and true, I’m well impressed at the use of ‘kayfabe’ too.
    Too kind Sir, etc.

    I’ve always liked the term, even though I’m not a wrestling fan particularly.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618

    I honestly haven't got a clue why they're so obsessed with Zelensky wearing a suit.

    They are just assholes
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Von der Layen added to the Ukranian delegation heading to Washington.

    https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/1957015978383999422

    Who else do we know that’s been confirmed?

    Edit: looks like Georgia Meloni has cancelled her holiday, she’s on the way too.

    They can go but will Trump agree to see them ?
    Everyone welcome apparently, invitation was sent out by Trump when he briefed the willing Europeans on Putin’s visit. Starmer was on that call as well.

    Probably going to be the most significant meeting since the start of the war. Zelensky has already rejected the Russian proposal, and the European leaders need to make it very clear that their fight continues.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,337
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Von der Layen added to the Ukranian delegation heading to Washington.

    https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/1957015978383999422

    Who else do we know that’s been confirmed?

    Merz
    Stubb
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    They are going to lose their shit once they find out Churchill turned up to the White House in a onesie.
    And did the full flash to Roosevelt post bath.

    I honestly haven't got a clue why they're so obsessed with Zelensky wearing a suit.
    Putin’s bitches in the White House will look for any excuse to criticise Zelenskyy, I mean they were fine with Musk dressing like a tramp in The Oval Office.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,795

    Sandpit said:

    StarmerBot has woken up again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1957005625096856019

    I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.

    If someone doesn’t have the right to be in this country, we won’t allow them to stay. I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.


    It’s getting seriously embarrassing now, surely his opponents are going to be putting these Tweets on billboards soon?

    He is making himself a hostage to fortune with this stuff that he knows he can't deliver unless he intends to exit all these international treaties, rewrite UK law and solve the NI / GFA issue that will arise, and all in the next year or two.
    Other countries manage it even though they’re signatories to the ECHR etc. Parliament needs to remind the judiciary that it is the Sovereign entity in this country, one way or another.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,777
    Scott_xP said:

    I honestly haven't got a clue why they're so obsessed with Zelensky wearing a suit.

    They are just assholes
    I prefer the brit version of Arseholes.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,512
    So we’re already at:

    Zelensky
    Von der Layen
    Macron
    Meloni
    Merz
    Stubb
    Starmer?

    That’s quite the delegation assembled in 48 hours, presumably not all flying in on the same plane!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,726

    Just back from two very pleasant weeks in the auld country. No doubt the SNP have presided over many failures (we experienced a little of the ferry issues firsthand) but at the same time my sense from all my interactions was of a country at ease with itself. Local facilities were largely well maintained, even the most isolated social housing estates seemed recently painted and there was a general hum of cheerfulness about the place. If I were a Scottish resident I'm not sure I'd be desperate to turf out the Nats.

    Fair play, I know that the SNP are not your preference by a long way.
    Indeed, I would vote Labour still, but my admittedly superficial impression from my two week holiday was that Scotland seems in a good state. Maybe Westminster politicians have something to learn from that.
    The mostly nice weather may have helped, sunny Scotland can melt the most doom laden, 'it's shite being Scottish' bulletin from BBC Scotland.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,488

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    They are going to lose their shit once they find out Churchill turned up to the White House in a onesie.
    And did the full flash to Roosevelt post bath.

    I honestly haven't got a clue why they're so obsessed with Zelensky wearing a suit.
    They're trying to find reasons for him NOT to be seen.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,947

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    They are going to lose their shit once they find out Churchill turned up to the White House in a onesie.
    And did the full flash to Roosevelt post bath.

    I honestly haven't got a clue why they're so obsessed with Zelensky wearing a suit.
    Putin’s bitches in the White House will look for any excuse to criticise Zelenskyy, I mean they were fine with Musk dressing like a tramp in The Oval Office.
    Give Trump money and you can do whatever you want.
    Need Trump to do anything for you and you need to be his performing dog (and even then you aren't going to get what you want).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,350
    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: France's president Emmanuel Macron and Finnish president Alexander Stubb are the latest European leaders to say they will attend Zelenskyy and Trump's meeting

    Is that a good thing? Is this a Z/T meeting or a meeting at which Z/T are among the participants?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,433

    Scott_xP said:

    I honestly haven't got a clue why they're so obsessed with Zelensky wearing a suit.

    They are just assholes
    I prefer the brit version of Arseholes.
    I think it relates to people they don’t like “not being subservient”

    Dress codes are for people who should know their place.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,563
    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    Roger said:

    I wrote on the previous thread how much I was enjoying the audiobook of Nicola Sturgeon titled 'Frankly'. Turbotubbs replied

    "I'm amazed she recalls enough to write an essay, let alone a book. A mendacious, devious liar who tried to frame Alec Salmond, played politics over COVID and is married to a man charged with embezzling money from the party she led. Someone who believes men in a dress ought to be in a woman's prison because of them saying they are a woman"

    All I can say knowing less about her than you obviously do is that I've always been a fan and this book hasn't changed that. I've long admired her values and her loathing of racism and prejudice which is evident throughout the book and was in all her appearances. Scottish politics is clearly a bear pit and how she managed to navigate it has to be admired and respected. I have to say despite her tough gal exterior I find it quite moving and for anyone wanting to know more about Scottish politics I can't think of a better place to start

    As someone pointed out elsewhere, all six recommendations on the back cover are from people who don't live in Scotland. Apparently she's easy to like from a distance.

    Here's a counterpoint from The Times:

    https://archive.is/tYcCk
    JK Rowling wrote a long review, so the rest of us don’t have to actually read the book.

    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/the-twilight-of-nicola-sturgeon-j-k-rowling-reviews-frankly/
    Yes, I find relying on interpretations from others is better than actually reading things. So much quicker and requires less thought. :)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618
    @amandaakass

    With the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, Finland and the EU Commission all heading to the US tomorrow to meet Donald Trump alongside President Zelenskyy... it looks increasingly unlikely Sir Keir Starmer would be left out, though there's still no official word...
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,120
    A reminder of why Trump won and why Vance might win in 2028:

    One of the two largest reasons voters selected President Trump last November was the broken border. The President has delivered quick results and restored border security. What we saw the last four years was inhumane and created significant security risks for our country.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1956430024367653212?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,563
    Phil said:

    ...Parliament needs to remind the judiciary that it is the Sovereign entity in this country, one way or another...

    I agree with you but I don't think it wants to.

    MPs are a bit weird. They want to do good, which is not the function of a MP. That whole "invigilating legislation and holding Government to account" seems to pass them by.

  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,777
    Leon said:

    At the dawn of the Age of Fire, everyone with a spark and a dream thought they could make it big. Tribes launched “start-up hearths” everywhere, promising reliable flames and round-the-clock warmth. Investors (chiefs with surplus mammoth meat) piled in, dazzled by slogans like “Fire: The Future of Light and Heat™.” But building bonfires was costly, accidents frequent, and consumer uptake shaky - many villagers still preferred the “legacy system” of shivering in the dark. Most ventures fizzled out, quite literally, when someone forgot to keep the embers alive.

    Out of this fiery chaos, a few giants survived. The West Cave Consortium and East River Hearthworks merged to form United Flame, while the spark-happy inventor Og of Rockface pivoted from “burning huts” to the more profitable “cooking meat.” By the end, just a handful of monopolies controlled fire distribution, charging obscene prices in charred sticks, and the dreamers who once shouted “flame for every cave!” were left bankrupt, cold, and gnawing raw venison.

    All your own work?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,350
    Phil said:

    Sandpit said:

    StarmerBot has woken up again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1957005625096856019

    I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.

    If someone doesn’t have the right to be in this country, we won’t allow them to stay. I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.


    It’s getting seriously embarrassing now, surely his opponents are going to be putting these Tweets on billboards soon?

    He is making himself a hostage to fortune with this stuff that he knows he can't deliver unless he intends to exit all these international treaties, rewrite UK law and solve the NI / GFA issue that will arise, and all in the next year or two.
    Other countries manage it even though they’re signatories to the ECHR etc. Parliament needs to remind the judiciary that it is the Sovereign entity in this country, one way or another.
    Starmer's tweet reminds us that he is a lawyer and not a politician. There is no policy there, just a pledge to uphold the law as it is, not as it could be. He is not saying we need more immigrants, or fewer, or different ones. He is not welcoming their contribution to British life, institutions and economy, or saying the country is full up. As with Chagos and trans, Starmer's position is that the law is the law, and if judges change their interpretation of the law, then that is the law.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,997

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    Did you tell her it was your party that introduced the OSA?
    Last time I looked it was labour who legislated for it, but I didn't need to talk about whose idea it was as they will blame the government of the day
    Well you’re wrong, it was the Tories who brought in the OSA legislation, perhaps you should read up on it before commenting on it further.
    Not really - I know who the students blame for it and that is politics

    do you often lie to your grandchildren about politics?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: France's president Emmanuel Macron and Finnish president Alexander Stubb are the latest European leaders to say they will attend Zelenskyy and Trump's meeting

    Is that a good thing? Is this a Z/T meeting or a meeting at which Z/T are among the participants?
    Nobody, including and perhaps least of all, the attendees has any fucking clue. It's make-it-up-as-go-along school of statecraft.

    It's probably a combination of FOMO from the European leaders, nobody wants to be the first lift sanctions on Russia but also they definitely don't want to be the last, and DJT enjoying summoning them across the Atlantic so he can be rude/incomprehensible to them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,284
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Leon told us AI is coming for our jobs, and now the Telegraph has launched its AI travel adviser:-
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travel-expert/

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls...

    I won’t talk about the tech - I believe I’m still not allowed - but I will talk about the economic implications

    The NYT has a piercing essay on the crash in tech/coding/computer science jobs for graduates. You can guess why. The industry is burning on the ground floor, the fire will spread to the rest of the building

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/10/technology/coding-ai-jobs-students.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

    The great jobs shakedown is beginning
    But surely those on the top floor are insulated from the fire.

    So according to you we are entering a dystopian world where only the Captains of industry can make a living. Everyone else has been replaced by machines.

    If only the top two or three percent remain earning, we won't even need baristas and burger flippers for the hoi poloi, as no one will be able to afford burgers and coffee.
    There is an irony here in that the LLM models that Leon loves are seriously unprofitable and show little chance of every becoming profitable...
    From the World Wide Web:

    “In the early railway age, probably the majority of companies went bust. Britain’s “railway mania” of the 1830s and 40s saw promoters raising fortunes on wild promises. Building railways was hugely expensive, competition was cutthroat, and traffic forecasts were often pure fantasy. Many branch lines to obscure towns never paid their way, and some companies paid dividends out of capital until the money ran out.

    The survivors - like the Liverpool & Manchester Railway - thrived, but dozens of smaller lines collapsed or were absorbed by stronger rivals. The same chaos unfolded in America, where the panic of 1837 sent early railroads into bankruptcy with alarming regularity. Railways changed the world, but the business was as risky and volatile as a gold rush.”
    Railways had large up front costs - but once the line was built (bankrupting the builders) someone could come along and make a profit from running trains on the line.

    The current problem with AI is that the costs are 3 fold

    1) creating the models (very expensive).
    2) the running costs of paying customers (someone has just found a cursor user who used $50,000 of compute costs for their $200 subscription). Now that's a worst case scenario but it's incredibly common to discover high usage users are using more than they pay.
    3) marketing is about giving limited acceess for free - so a lot people aren't paying anything and a struggling to find reasons to spend money on it

    End result is few people can justify the actual costs of their usage - so there is a very limited upside for potential customers.

    I've seen a number of expert people who think LLM is probably a $50bn industry (at best) and not the multiple trillion pounds others think it is...

    Finally MS are desperately trying to work out a business model that isn't per user or consumption base as that is essential for them to make a profit from this technology and it's proving far harder than they thought (per user isn't selling even at $20 a user per month)..
    And China will probably destroy the financial business models of every US player.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,848
    edited August 17
    Phil said:

    Sandpit said:

    StarmerBot has woken up again.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1957005625096856019

    I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.

    If someone doesn’t have the right to be in this country, we won’t allow them to stay. I will do what it takes to uphold the law and ensure fairness for the British people.


    It’s getting seriously embarrassing now, surely his opponents are going to be putting these Tweets on billboards soon?

    He is making himself a hostage to fortune with this stuff that he knows he can't deliver unless he intends to exit all these international treaties, rewrite UK law and solve the NI / GFA issue that will arise, and all in the next year or two.
    Other countries manage it even though they’re signatories to the ECHR etc. Parliament needs to remind the judiciary that it is the Sovereign entity in this country, one way or another.
    Even if that was true, the problem is I don't think Starmer's own backbenchers will agree to go hard to change the law to throw out "undocumented immigrants", just like they didn't want to cut benefits. Starmer isn't in a strong enough position to start picking massive fights, not that I am convinced he see the need to anyway.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,726

    Leon said:

    At the dawn of the Age of Fire, everyone with a spark and a dream thought they could make it big. Tribes launched “start-up hearths” everywhere, promising reliable flames and round-the-clock warmth. Investors (chiefs with surplus mammoth meat) piled in, dazzled by slogans like “Fire: The Future of Light and Heat™.” But building bonfires was costly, accidents frequent, and consumer uptake shaky - many villagers still preferred the “legacy system” of shivering in the dark. Most ventures fizzled out, quite literally, when someone forgot to keep the embers alive.

    Out of this fiery chaos, a few giants survived. The West Cave Consortium and East River Hearthworks merged to form United Flame, while the spark-happy inventor Og of Rockface pivoted from “burning huts” to the more profitable “cooking meat.” By the end, just a handful of monopolies controlled fire distribution, charging obscene prices in charred sticks, and the dreamers who once shouted “flame for every cave!” were left bankrupt, cold, and gnawing raw venison.

    All your own work?
    At least some new team names for The Hundred.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,203
    edited August 17
    This Telegraph travel expert has a Spode detector on it, or it is ignorant:

    - I would like to visit sites associated with oswald moseley's imprisonment
    - We’re sorry, but we can’t answer your question at the moment. We’re always working to improve the Telegraph Travel Expert and hope to offer fuller responses in the future.

    (The spelling was the expert correction :wink: )
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,350

    A reminder of why Trump won and why Vance might win in 2028:

    One of the two largest reasons voters selected President Trump last November was the broken border. The President has delivered quick results and restored border security. What we saw the last four years was inhumane and created significant security risks for our country.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1956430024367653212?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    How Trump Won (and the best ever joke on HIGNFY, 40-seconds video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KLVFzrlgiMI
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,284

    Priorities for these fuckwits.

    US Homeland Security News
    @defense_civil25
    14h
    🚨Update: The White House has informed the Ukrainian delegation that Zelensky MUST wear a suit or there will be no meeting! Bravo White House. It’s a formal meeting, and the presidency of the U.S. is an institution that demands the highest level of formality!

    An exercise in public humiliation all over again.

    Either Europe steps up know or we surrender the next decade to insecurity.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,779

    A reminder of why Trump won and why Vance might win in 2028:

    One of the two largest reasons voters selected President Trump last November was the broken border. The President has delivered quick results and restored border security. What we saw the last four years was inhumane and created significant security risks for our country.

    https://x.com/RepDonBacon/status/1956430024367653212?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

    And it’s exactly why Reform have a good chance in 2029 here.

    Yes, unfortunately there is a minority of America that has been captured by MAGA post-truth-ism, but the people who gave Trump the win were voters willing to hold their nose and vote for him because on certain significant issues, the border being one of them, they felt he was the only one with ‘answers.’

    It is entirely plausible that more and more people start making the same assessment WRT Farage if Labour can’t get on top of the immigration issue.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,848
    edited August 17
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Leon told us AI is coming for our jobs, and now the Telegraph has launched its AI travel adviser:-
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travel-expert/

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls...

    I won’t talk about the tech - I believe I’m still not allowed - but I will talk about the economic implications

    The NYT has a piercing essay on the crash in tech/coding/computer science jobs for graduates. You can guess why. The industry is burning on the ground floor, the fire will spread to the rest of the building

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/10/technology/coding-ai-jobs-students.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

    The great jobs shakedown is beginning
    But surely those on the top floor are insulated from the fire.

    So according to you we are entering a dystopian world where only the Captains of industry can make a living. Everyone else has been replaced by machines.

    If only the top two or three percent remain earning, we won't even need baristas and burger flippers for the hoi poloi, as no one will be able to afford burgers and coffee.
    There is an irony here in that the LLM models that Leon loves are seriously unprofitable and show little chance of every becoming profitable...
    From the World Wide Web:

    “In the early railway age, probably the majority of companies went bust. Britain’s “railway mania” of the 1830s and 40s saw promoters raising fortunes on wild promises. Building railways was hugely expensive, competition was cutthroat, and traffic forecasts were often pure fantasy. Many branch lines to obscure towns never paid their way, and some companies paid dividends out of capital until the money ran out.

    The survivors - like the Liverpool & Manchester Railway - thrived, but dozens of smaller lines collapsed or were absorbed by stronger rivals. The same chaos unfolded in America, where the panic of 1837 sent early railroads into bankruptcy with alarming regularity. Railways changed the world, but the business was as risky and volatile as a gold rush.”
    Railways had large up front costs - but once the line was built (bankrupting the builders) someone could come along and make a profit from running trains on the line.

    The current problem with AI is that the costs are 3 fold

    1) creating the models (very expensive).
    2) the running costs of paying customers (someone has just found a cursor user who used $50,000 of compute costs for their $200 subscription). Now that's a worst case scenario but it's incredibly common to discover high usage users are using more than they pay.
    3) marketing is about giving limited acceess for free - so a lot people aren't paying anything and a struggling to find reasons to spend money on it

    End result is few people can justify the actual costs of their usage - so there is a very limited upside for potential customers.

    I've seen a number of expert people who think LLM is probably a $50bn industry (at best) and not the multiple trillion pounds others think it is...

    Finally MS are desperately trying to work out a business model that isn't per user or consumption base as that is essential for them to make a profit from this technology and it's proving far harder than they thought (per user isn't selling even at $20 a user per month)..
    And China will probably destroy the financial business models of every US player.
    I notice stories that the UK will allow the Chinese robo-taxi firms to test here, the US banned them. Absolute madness. We have the likes of Wayve who are making good progress, we should be backing them.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,350
    MattW said:

    This Telegraph travel expert has a Spode detector on it:

    - I would like to visit sites associated with oswald moseley's imprisonment
    - We’re sorry, but we can’t answer your question at the moment. We’re always working to improve the Telegraph Travel Expert and hope to offer fuller responses in the future.

    The travel expert seems to be a chatbot in front of the Telegraph's own travel articles, so if they've never covered His Majesty's Hotels...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,618
    NATO Secretary general will also join the meeting
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,203
    eek said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    They tried this same line of attack with Sunak over being soft on paedos.
    How the f**k does OSA make revenge porn harder? The victim knows who the guilty party is - and all sites have required content "creators" to provide details for decades...
    Where are we on the numbers?

    The last I saw (may have been temporary) was that xhamster reported traffic down by half.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,709
    Sandpit said:

    So we’re already at:

    Zelensky
    Von der Layen
    Macron
    Meloni
    Merz
    Stubb
    Starmer?

    That’s quite the delegation assembled in 48 hours, presumably not all flying in on the same plane!

    They just want to give Vance a proper good twatting if he pipes up with his usual shit. #statecraft
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,848
    edited August 17
    MattW said:

    eek said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    They tried this same line of attack with Sunak over being soft on paedos.
    How the f**k does OSA make revenge porn harder? The victim knows who the guilty party is - and all sites have required content "creators" to provide details for decades...
    Where are we on the numbers?

    The last I saw (may have been temporary) was that xhamster reported traffic down by half.
    This was a total BS article in the FT. It was based upon an internet tracking service who admitted half way down the article, we don't know if people use VPNs and if they do, and are accessing adult sites, it won't show up in our numbers.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,404
    Tres said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    Families in marginal seats, 69% of voters back age verification to access adult websites

    https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
    Yes, that is the paradox. Most (except perhaps a few free speech zealots) want to protect children from harmful content on the interwebs.

    Most experts are agreed that the OSA is stupid, counterproductive, easily worked around, dangerous and increases risks.

    Nor is there any obvious connection with the three main cases thrown up by OSA's increasingly desperate defenders. Jimmy Savile assaulted girls in the flesh, not online. Peter Kyle's concern about the genuine risk of grooming in online forums has nothing to do with porn sites or age verification. And now revenge porn which was banned 10 years ago.
    It does stop young children accidentally viewing pornographic or violent images though
    Good morning

    No it doesn't as I explained a few days ago

    Our granddaughter (22) uses VPN as does most if not all of her peers, and our grandson (16) knows about vpn and he confirmed every child in his school to the very youngsest knows how to avoid age verification, not just with vpn but using fake facial id

    It is naive to think young children cannot get round this - indeed their older brother and sisters will help them

    We are living in an age where young people and children are very tec savvy
    Did you tell her it was your party that introduced the OSA?
    Last time I looked it was labour who legislated for it, but I didn't need to talk about whose idea it was as they will blame the government of the day
    Well you’re wrong, it was the Tories who brought in the OSA legislation, perhaps you should read up on it before commenting on it further.
    Not really - I know who the students blame for it and that is politics

    do you often lie to your grandchildren about politics?
    We didn't even talk about the politics
  • eekeek Posts: 30,947
    MattW said:

    eek said:

    Labour Party on X -

    "Nigel Farage would put women and girls at risk.

    NIGEL FARAGE WANTS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SHARE REVENGE PORN ONLINE"

    I presume this is about the OSA, so the inference is that anyone who opposes the OSA wants to make it easier to share revenge porn

    Who does the Labour Party think is stupid enough to believe this, even if only about Farage?

    They tried this same line of attack with Sunak over being soft on paedos.
    How the f**k does OSA make revenge porn harder? The victim knows who the guilty party is - and all sites have required content "creators" to provide details for decades...
    Where are we on the numbers?

    The last I saw (may have been temporary) was that xhamster reported traffic down by half.
    Well uk based traffic will be down by half - VPN traffic (if the VPN is any good) is going to look like it came from outside the UK..
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