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You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.
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Probably fair. But then, if the SNP are any cop at groundgame, they will clock it and target their resources and activists accordingly.Dair said:
From the way he phrased it. I suspect he has the SNP winning a fair number of seats but Labour holding on by 1 or 2,000 in quite a lot of others. He said something along the lines of "it's real, maybe not as massive as some polling indicates"Casino_Royale said:
I take it his Scottish marginal polling isn't that pretty for Labour.dr_spyn said:Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
Lord Ashcroft on Sky suggests that in today's climate parties could secure an overall majority with a share of the vote in the 20s.0 -
LOL. Clearly you are a party a fanatic and will brook no criticism of the Tories under any circumstances. Whether you are a member or not is immaterial (though of course you could make any claim you like from behind the mask of anonymity) but you are so clearly desperate to attack any other party that might threaten the Tories that you cannot be considered anything other than a fanatic. .SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.0 -
Agreed the difference between 10 and 26 MPs maybe very very narrow.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)0 -
Eriksen Kerching ££££0
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Christian Eriksen = Gareth Bale.
Hide his passport!0 -
Just read on Twitter than Syriza are forcing out the Bank of Greece governor.
If these guys can't get euros I would not put it past them to print their own.0 -
Labour shortlist for St Helens North
Rosa Battle (Manchester Cllr)
Andy Bowden (St Helens Cllr, constituency manager for retiring MP since 1997)
Barrie Grunewald (St Helens Council leader)
Conor McGinn (SpAd to Coaker)
Louise Reece-Jones (Wirral Cllr)
Mark Russell (from The Church Army charity)
Selection on Feb 8th
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Coe out of London Mayor race in a boost to Labour
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/46770/0 -
LD political broadcast on how they will cut less than the Tories and borrow less than Labour
http://www.libdems.org.uk/lib-dems-launch-party-political-broadcast-january?utm_content=buffercfd46&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer0 -
Absolutely, if that;s the outcome of the polls, the 100k SNP members will clean up on the doorstep. The campaign pictures that Scottish Labour are posting on twitter look like Family Portraits while the SNP have nearly 2000 members per constituency.Casino_Royale said:
Probably fair. But then, if the SNP are any cop at groundgame, they will clock it and target their resources and activists accordingly.Dair said:
From the way he phrased it. I suspect he has the SNP winning a fair number of seats but Labour holding on by 1 or 2,000 in quite a lot of others. He said something along the lines of "it's real, maybe not as massive as some polling indicates"Casino_Royale said:
I take it his Scottish marginal polling isn't that pretty for Labour.dr_spyn said:Britain Elects @britainelects 1m1 minute ago
Lord Ashcroft on Sky suggests that in today's climate parties could secure an overall majority with a share of the vote in the 20s.
That's 2.5% of the vote just in members. And the SNP have an awesome ground game and probably the best air game in the UK (compare "Kirsty/Two Futures" vs "Patronising BT Woman/The Woman Who Made Up Her Mind" referendum broadcasts.0 -
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)0 -
'Follow your convictions - this is the end of the politics of fear' George Monbiot on how it is time to vote with your heart, for the SNP, Greens rather than Labour and reject neoliberalism following the wave from Latin America to Greece
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/28/convictions-politics-fear-syriza-podemos-snp-green0 -
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.
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They do possess a printing press in Greece.
A printing press for euros???
if so, f8ck me.....
They could debase the whole bl**dy currency.0 -
Does anyone know the odds on Nick Clegg being Lib Dem leader after the GE?0
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Annette Brooke's pussy on order order.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11363294/Would-Britain-accept-a-Jewish-Prime-Minister.htmlSean_F said:
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.
Different questions I think.
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They won't and if you read up on Varoufakis you will see why - the guy might be the one to fix it.MP_SE said:
They do possess a printing press in Greece. May as well get involved with some QE of their own.taffys said:Just read on Twitter than Syriza are forcing out the Bank of Greece governor.
If these guys can't get euros I would not put it past them to print their own.
But if they did, would that be wrong? In the UK Quantitative Easing transferred several hundred billions pounds of wealth from future taxpayers to today's bankers. They would have had a better effect sending a cheque for £2k to each adult in the UK. A much better effect.
But then the UK is a corrupt country and transferring wealth to their friends is Westminster policy.0 -
Worried about the PM's responsibility for recommending bishops to the monarch?Sean_F said:
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.0 -
On checking, I see that 13% of UKIP supporters and 7% of Conservatives would be less likely to vote for a party with a Jewish leader.Sean_F said:
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.
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I think each country who prints them assigns a specific number which can identify their country of origin. I don't know if they could just change the number to say that of Germany.taffys said:They do possess a printing press in Greece.
A printing press for euros???
if so, f8ck me.....
They could debase the whole bl**dy currency.
The EU cannot expel member states so the Greeks could have a lot of fun at everyone elses expense.
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OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
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There were a few different questions asked (one of which, I don't think was a good question, as you can read it several ways) For example I can imagine some UKIPers who would see a Jewish Prime Minister more acceptable than say a Muslim Prime MininsterSean_F said:
On checking, I see that 13% of UKIP supporters and 7% of Conservatives would be less likely to vote for a party with a Jewish leader.Sean_F said:
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
YSquareRoot said:
.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
And UKIP voters were less likely to see a Jewish prime minister as “equally acceptable” as a prime minister from another faith. Only 48% of those intending to vote UKIP agreed when asked, which compared with 62% of voters in general. The highest level of agreement came from Lib Dem and Labour supporters, at 73% and 72%. Conservative supporters were not far behind at 65%.
https://theconversation.com/british-voters-open-to-a-jewish-prime-minister-but-some-are-more-welcoming-than-others-36611
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That is a very interesting and compelling article.HYUFD said:'Follow your convictions - this is the end of the politics of fear' George Monbiot on how it is time to vote with your heart, for the SNP, Greens rather than Labour and reject neoliberalism following the wave from Latin America to Greece
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/28/convictions-politics-fear-syriza-podemos-snp-green
Maybe one day everyone will thank the Referendum for the outcome it has already left for all of the UK.0 -
All feels rather mute - we've had various party leaders with jewish relatives but I can't recall any who were jewish themselves? Leaving aside the obvious convert example.Sean_F said:
On checking, I see that 13% of UKIP supporters and 7% of Conservatives would be less likely to vote for a party with a Jewish leader.Sean_F said:
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.0 -
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
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It only gives the figures for those who say Yes to "equally acceptable". It doesn't break down the rest between unacceptable, don't know, don't care.Ishmael_X said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11363294/Would-Britain-accept-a-Jewish-Prime-Minister.htmlSean_F said:
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.
Different questions I think.0 -
You don't really understand what happened do you?Dair said:
They won't and if you read up on Varoufakis you will see why - the guy might be the one to fix it.MP_SE said:
They do possess a printing press in Greece. May as well get involved with some QE of their own.taffys said:Just read on Twitter than Syriza are forcing out the Bank of Greece governor.
If these guys can't get euros I would not put it past them to print their own.
But if they did, would that be wrong? In the UK Quantitative Easing transferred several hundred billions pounds of wealth from future taxpayers to today's bankers. They would have had a better effect sending a cheque for £2k to each adult in the UK. A much better effect.
But then the UK is a corrupt country and transferring wealth to their friends is Westminster policy.0 -
Alan Sked is a very nice chap. His mother is from the village down the road and he keeps a cottage there so he is often seen in the village shop.Richard_Tyndall said:
He is undoubtedly a bitter old fool who couldn't stand the fact that the party outgrew him. To be honest people who go round founding political parties for their own vanity and then get upset when they are successful without them really are a few pastilles short of a packet.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is well known that Alan Sked is the Ted Heath to the Farage's Thatcher.Omnium said:
Why would you post a link to such drivel without labelling it as such?TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what he thinks of Mark Reckless?
Ukip's founder, Professor Alan Sked, has issued a withering verdict of Douglas Carswell's leadership potential, saying he has "the charisma of a wet turd".
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/28/ukip-douglas-carswell-wet-turd_n_6560814.html?1422442155&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
I always find his comments amusing.0 -
Surely a more realistic broadcast would be that they would cut exactly as much as the Tories and borrow the same as Labour, depending on which, if any, they ended up propping up?HYUFD said:LD political broadcast on how they will cut less than the Tories and borrow less than Labour
http://www.libdems.org.uk/lib-dems-launch-party-political-broadcast-january?utm_content=buffercfd46&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer0 -
The Lib Dems have selected Cahal Burke to fight Colne Valley at the General Election. He is a local councillor in the constituency who was elected in 2010 with a majority of 150 and upped it to 1144 in 2015. He is also a marathon runner - he recently ran the New York marathon in 3 hr 45 minutes.0
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Actually Labour has only held North Ayrshire since 1987 when they won the former Bute and North Ayrshire from the Tories.malcolmg said:
Hopefully Labour finally get chucked out of North Ayrshire, they have run it forever and managed to make it into a desert.Dair said:
If I was looking for a decent Hedge on Scottish Labour I would go for North Ayrshire and Arran.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but which one?Pong said:I recon, however bad it gets for labour, they'll still have a 10%+ lead over the SNP in at least one constituency in May.
Katy Clarke gives a very, very good impression of being left wing, probably the most left wing Labour MP.
She voted with the SNP on Austerity, Trident and Fracking.
Until recently even I was fooled and wondered if she might be a candidate to defect to the Greens.
(The reality is she is a 100% careerist Labourite but she really does convince she isnt).
I'm not sure it will be enough to save her, but if any decent value Labour incumbent exists, it is probably her but I can't find any odds being offered anything over 15/8 would be value.0 -
Are you tempted by the lightning bet SE?TheScreamingEagles said:
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
Are there any other seats out there, where the incumbent party is third favourites to win the seat.
I think Simon Wright could even finish fourth in this one.
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Dair Indeed, if and when we get PR it would be even more compelling0
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Well, I'm mainly thinking about what could be considered 'interesting'. The SNP taking 54 seats wouldn't really be that interesting at this stage given the national polling.Pulpstar said:
I've seen @Antifrank's betting on this. Comments like that aren't going to help his blood pressure in his Monday meeting at work.Alistair said:
The main thing it could find that would shift the markets is big swings across Scotland but not big enough to shift the result in seats where Labour have 10k+ majorities. Basically it could show that the SNP are super-delux Lib Dems when it comes to Vote-to-Seats ratio.Artist said:I don't see why it wouldn't show anything other than big SNP gains in line with the national polling at this stage. Both in 2010 and for the last Holyrood elections, people in Scotland made up their minds very late. There may be some rays of light for Scottish Labour in the supplementary questions.
I think that's a highly unlikely result but it is a possibility.
Also the two stage questions could be very favourable to incumbents.
That said I've soured on polling companies talking about "amazing shocking" polling after the hype that preceded a poll showing No Change in the last couple of weeks of the Indy Ref.0 -
Dair I do remember being told how brilliant the Yes ground game was too in comparison to No, but in the end No won, so still much to play for0
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Where can I sign up for £100 on the lightning bet and will they pay out if I stand on top of the Crystal Palace TV mast with a sword held aloft in my right hand during a thunderstorm?TheScreamingEagles said:
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
Are there any other seats out there, where the incumbent party is third favourites to win the seat.0 -
A friend of mine was struck by lightning years ago, months after, he still hadn't recovered feeling/sensation in parts of his body.Eastwinger said:
Are you tempted by the lightning bet SE?TheScreamingEagles said:
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
Are there any other seats out there, where the incumbent party is third favourites to win the seat.
I think Simon Wright could even finish fourth in this one.
I'm on the Greens at 25/1 (Thanks Antifrank), I'll stick with that bet.0 -
Well the odds would certainly tighten.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
Where can I sign up for £100 on the lightning bet and will they pay out if I stand on top of the Crystal Palace TV mast with a sword held aloft in my right hand during a thunderstorm?TheScreamingEagles said:
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
Are there any other seats out there, where the incumbent party is third favourites to win the seat.
among other things.
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@TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles said:
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
Are there any other seats out there, where the incumbent party is third favourites to win the seat.
Edinburgh West
SNP 2.00
Labour 2.62
Liberal Democrats 6.00
SNP were 4th last time out 10,500 votes short
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Yes, I understand. There is no appetite for the failed model of economic recovery proposed by the IMF and Germany. They have already foisted Greece with a doubling of their debt to GDP ratio, they want Greece to pay money it doesn't have and refuse any form of managed bankruptcy or if they do, they will only allow it on their terms at the already doubled rate of pain.TheWatcher said:
You don't really understand what happened do you?Dair said:
They won't and if you read up on Varoufakis you will see why - the guy might be the one to fix it.MP_SE said:
They do possess a printing press in Greece. May as well get involved with some QE of their own.taffys said:Just read on Twitter than Syriza are forcing out the Bank of Greece governor.
If these guys can't get euros I would not put it past them to print their own.
But if they did, would that be wrong? In the UK Quantitative Easing transferred several hundred billions pounds of wealth from future taxpayers to today's bankers. They would have had a better effect sending a cheque for £2k to each adult in the UK. A much better effect.
But then the UK is a corrupt country and transferring wealth to their friends is Westminster policy.
A Greek default in 2010 would have been far better and far less painful to the Greek people than a default today after 5 years of IMF managed economic failure.
Greece has a moral imperative to pass the pain on. Their population was stupid and complicit in voting in governments which wrecked their economy. But The UK does the same. Their population was wrong to believe what they were promised - but look at the Baby Boomers in the UK the most destructive generation in history who STILL want everything despite it being clear the promises made to them were lies.
The IMF and ECB made the Greek situation worse. Syriza expect the IMF and ECB to share the cost of the mistakes the IMF and ECB made. They have a point.0 -
No, it is a very loopy article. Its central claim is that the Greens will sweep to power in 2017, because their membership has risen to 50 000 and because Syriza have won in Greece.Dair said:
That is a very interesting and compelling article.HYUFD said:'Follow your convictions - this is the end of the politics of fear' George Monbiot on how it is time to vote with your heart, for the SNP, Greens rather than Labour and reject neoliberalism following the wave from Latin America to Greece
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/28/convictions-politics-fear-syriza-podemos-snp-green
Maybe one day everyone will thank the Referendum for the outcome it has already left for all of the UK.
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There you go again. I am not a party member of any party, I haven't distributed any leaflets for anyone of late, and my sole thoughts relating to 2015 are related to who would best lead the Country..Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. Clearly you are a party a fanatic and will brook no criticism of the Tories under any circumstances. Whether you are a member or not is immaterial (though of course you could make any claim you like from behind the mask of anonymity) but you are so clearly desperate to attack any other party that might threaten the Tories that you cannot be considered anything other than a fanatic. .SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
If you realistically look at the choices, Dave is the only one who can credibly lead the country at this time. Miliband is absolutely hopeless and comes across terribly. Even his own supporters despair of him. Your man is just a pub bore. Clegg is Clegg. nuff said0 -
CheersAlistair said:
@TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles said:
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
Are there any other seats out there, where the incumbent party is third favourites to win the seat.
Edinburgh West
SNP 2.00
Labour 2.62
Liberal Democrats 6.00
SNP were 4th last time out 10,500 votes short0 -
He did label it.Omnium said:
Why would you post a link to such drivel without labelling it as such?TheScreamingEagles said:I wonder what he thinks of Mark Reckless?
Ukip's founder, Professor Alan Sked, has issued a withering verdict of Douglas Carswell's leadership potential, saying he has "the charisma of a wet turd".
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/28/ukip-douglas-carswell-wet-turd_n_6560814.html?1422442155&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
" Huffington Post"
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LDs are one Lab price cut away (LD 3, Lab 3.25) from being 3rd in Dunbartonshire East as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
CheersAlistair said:
@TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles said:
Odds of being struck by lightning 300,000/1Eastwinger said:OblitusSumMe said:
UK election forecast have the Lib Dems holding Sheffield Hallam and Berwickshire, R & S with just 30% of the vote, but I would be surprised if there weren't a few victories with a lower share than in Norwich South last time.rcs1000 said:
Although I would point out that in 1970 the winning party garnered 46% of the vote, and the second placed party got a vote share that would ensure a 150+ seat majority today. In a world where four parties get 10+% of the vote, and there's a fifth and sixth with perhaps 5% each, then the 'hurdle' for getting seats in any particular constituency is going to be much lower.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Audreyanne, you paint the Lib Dems in far too rosy a picture. That 7.5% came from only standing in 332 of the 628 seats that the Conservatives stood in. If they had stood in all mainland seats they can be expected to have been in double figures then.audreyanne said:Just to show you how serious this is for the LibDems, the last time they polled in single figures in a General Election was 45 years ago in 1970 when they were just the Liberal Party. In fact, they haven't polled under 14% since then.
.......The Liberals polled 7.5% … … and won 6 seats.
(And the risk of a completely disproportionate result increase substantially.)
I live in Norwich South. Simon Wright has more chance of being struck by lightening than retaining his seat.
Odds of Simon Wright holding his seat 14/1
Edit: Feck me, Greens are 4/1 to win the seat, ahead of Simon Wright. (Lab are 2/7)
Are there any other seats out there, where the incumbent party is third favourites to win the seat.
Edinburgh West
SNP 2.00
Labour 2.62
Liberal Democrats 6.00
SNP were 4th last time out 10,500 votes short0 -
bigjohnowls said:
response times were better than they had been for the same period the previous year though weren't they.Moses_ said:BBC covering Wales NHS worst 999 month for emergency response on record with over 50% of calls not meeting the 8 minute rate. A very thorough report indeed on the catastrophe in Wales with absolutely nothing omitted , straight for the jugular stuff.....
Oh wait a minute? ......they did forget to mention one tiny little fact .......
It's controlled by Labour.
I n England we have gone from hitting all NHS targets to missing nearly all of them.
The Tories Wales/weaponising responses will not save them from this fact IMO
What part of the term "worse on record" do you not understands?0 -
Over at housepricecrash I think the phrase is 'Women that you shouldn't - but you probably would....'Danny565 said:Um...am I the only one who thinks Harman is one of the more attractive MPs? Especially taking how good she looks for her age in consideration.
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The seat was known as Cunninghame North, and was mostly the former North Ayrshire and Arran.Easterross said:
Actually Labour has only held North Ayrshire since 1987 when they won the former Bute and North Ayrshire from the Tories.malcolmg said:
Hopefully Labour finally get chucked out of North Ayrshire, they have run it forever and managed to make it into a desert.Dair said:
If I was looking for a decent Hedge on Scottish Labour I would go for North Ayrshire and Arran.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but which one?Pong said:I recon, however bad it gets for labour, they'll still have a 10%+ lead over the SNP in at least one constituency in May.
Katy Clarke gives a very, very good impression of being left wing, probably the most left wing Labour MP.
She voted with the SNP on Austerity, Trident and Fracking.
Until recently even I was fooled and wondered if she might be a candidate to defect to the Greens.
(The reality is she is a 100% careerist Labourite but she really does convince she isnt).
I'm not sure it will be enough to save her, but if any decent value Labour incumbent exists, it is probably her but I can't find any odds being offered anything over 15/8 would be value.0 -
Yes went from a historic support for independence for most of my life of 20% to 25% to reaching 45%. I never thought there was a hope in hell of Independence. From June till the 15th September, I was certain of it.HYUFD said:Dair I do remember being told how brilliant the Yes ground game was too in comparison to No, but in the end No won, so still much to play for
In the end the Mass Media and the Establishment still had enough power. But they aren't focused on the General Election in Scotland. And even if they did focus their immense remaining strength there, it still wouldn't be enough to stop a 45% SNP result which is plurality in a FPTP system.0 -
Actually, missed out the biggest in Scotland
Argyll & Bute
SNP 1.25
Labour 7.00
Liberal Democrats 9.00
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Another one who wants to put words in my mouth.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.
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The fact that Labour have a Jewish leader and they don't want a Labour Govt must have some bearing on those scoresSean_F said:
On checking, I see that 13% of UKIP supporters and 7% of Conservatives would be less likely to vote for a party with a Jewish leader.Sean_F said:
I thought it was something like 18% of UKIP supporters and 12% of Conservative supporters who didn't want a Jewish PM.Ishmael_X said:
You shouldn't post things solely on the ground that "it clearly hurts".SquareRoot said:
Firstly, I am not a party fanatic and I hold NO membership of any party, secondly, I point out the racist element in UKIP because it clearly hurts because its true. Thirdly I never made any claim about any party and the moral high ground. So typical of you and others on here to invent what others have said.Richard_Tyndall said:SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is fine to claim that as long as it is balanced by the admission that there are just as many racist elements in the other parties as well.SquareRoot said:before you can say boo to a goose, kippers are on here ready to trash their founder..
I guess its all right for KIppers to be nasty about and to other people..., but not all right when it gets pointed out that there are significant racist elements in their party .
It is the utter hypocrisy of the party fanatics like yourself who think their own party holds the moral highground that makes people want to vomit.
I have never seen a kipper deny that there are racists in the party. If we look at recent polling, 50% of kippers and 35% of tories don't want a Jewish prime minister, so your pitch (despite your irrelevant claim of having no party membership) is "vote tory, we are only a bit more than two-thirds as racist as Ukip."
And it wasn't Ukip which decided in an official internal inquiry that dressing up as a Nazi and toasting the Third Reich is not racist behaviour.
If it turned out Farage or Cameron were Jewish I doubt 13%/7% wouldn't vote for the party they support
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It reads more as a Call To Action than a prediction. It's marketing and good marketing.Ishmael_X said:
No, it is a very loopy article. Its central claim is that the Greens will sweep to power in 2017, because their membership has risen to 50 000 and because Syriza have won in Greece.Dair said:
That is a very interesting and compelling article.HYUFD said:'Follow your convictions - this is the end of the politics of fear' George Monbiot on how it is time to vote with your heart, for the SNP, Greens rather than Labour and reject neoliberalism following the wave from Latin America to Greece
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/28/convictions-politics-fear-syriza-podemos-snp-green
Maybe one day everyone will thank the Referendum for the outcome it has already left for all of the UK.0 -
Alan Beith does not even represent a Scottish seat never mind Argyll and ButeDair said:
Alan Beith is standing down and it's a 4 way split. Perfect for an SNP landslide so those odds don't see remotely inaccurate.Alistair said:Actually, missed out the biggest in Scotland
Argyll & Bute
SNP 1.25
Labour 7.00
Liberal Democrats 9.000 -
Alan Reid.MarkSenior said:
Alan Beith does not even represent a Scottish seat never mins Argyll and ButeDair said:
Alan Beith is standing down and it's a 4 way split. Perfect for an SNP landslide so those odds don't see remotely inaccurate.Alistair said:Actually, missed out the biggest in Scotland
Argyll & Bute
SNP 1.25
Labour 7.00
Liberal Democrats 9.000 -
Ah, of course, given the request was for incumbents in 3rd place that doesn't count.Dair said:
Alan Beith is standing down and it's a 4 way split. Perfect for an SNP landslide so those odds don't see remotely inaccurate.Alistair said:Actually, missed out the biggest in Scotland
Argyll & Bute
SNP 1.25
Labour 7.00
Liberal Democrats 9.000 -
Is Alan Reid standing down? He's still listed on the Wikipedia page for 2015 (obvious caveats apply).Alistair said:
Alan Reid.MarkSenior said:
Alan Beith does not even represent a Scottish seat never mins Argyll and ButeDair said:
Alan Beith is standing down and it's a 4 way split. Perfect for an SNP landslide so those odds don't see remotely inaccurate.Alistair said:Actually, missed out the biggest in Scotland
Argyll & Bute
SNP 1.25
Labour 7.00
Liberal Democrats 9.000 -
No thanks - exactly!Pong said:
I'll happily lay a bet on the SNP vote % in liverpool walton. You can have any stake you like.Carnyx said:
Presumably you mean Scottish constituencies ...Pong said:Before the Ashcroft polls ruin the fun, does anyone want a bet on how much of the labour vote goes to the SNP in labours safest seat?
I recon, however bad it gets for labour, they'll still have a 10%+ lead over the SNP in at least one constituency in May.
Berwick could have been different, though ...
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A bet on Alan Reid in Argyll & Bute is not silly. 8/1 represent reasonable odds.
Having listened to the Lord Ashcroft interview on Sky in full, I'd tentatively rule out those seats where the SNP would take 50+seats if they took them, but there's nothing in what he says to make me quail at the idea of 35+ seats for them.0 -
He is not standing down either he has been reselected to stand again !!!!!!!!!Alistair said:
Alan Reid.MarkSenior said:
Alan Beith does not even represent a Scottish seat never mins Argyll and ButeDair said:
Alan Beith is standing down and it's a 4 way split. Perfect for an SNP landslide so those odds don't see remotely inaccurate.Alistair said:Actually, missed out the biggest in Scotland
Argyll & Bute
SNP 1.25
Labour 7.00
Liberal Democrats 9.000 -
Sorry my bad getting my Alan's confused.0
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Oh arse I might be getting myself totally confused.Danny565 said:
Is Alan Reid standing down? He's still listed on the Wikipedia page for 2015 (obvious caveats apply).Alistair said:
Alan Reid.MarkSenior said:
Alan Beith does not even represent a Scottish seat never mins Argyll and ButeDair said:
Alan Beith is standing down and it's a 4 way split. Perfect for an SNP landslide so those odds don't see remotely inaccurate.Alistair said:Actually, missed out the biggest in Scotland
Argyll & Bute
SNP 1.25
Labour 7.00
Liberal Democrats 9.00
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I've just placed three more bets on Glasgow constituencies.Alistair said:0 -
Incidentally, regular posters might be interested to know that a good friend described me today as someone who looks and sounds startlingly like Nigel Farage.
That is to say, a former good friend.0 -
2nd time in four days I have backed a Spurs player to score the first goal and it copped, then they've gone 2-1 down.. a repeat cup exit is surely too much too ask for?
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I believe that's right (it's a couple of letters at the beginning).MP_SE said:
I think each country who prints them assigns a specific number which can identify their country of origin. I don't know if they could just change the number to say that of Germany.taffys said:They do possess a printing press in Greece.
A printing press for euros???
if so, f8ck me.....
They could debase the whole bl**dy currency.
The EU cannot expel member states so the Greeks could have a lot of fun at everyone elses expense.
There have been cases in the past where the same currency traded at different rates depending on source.
From memory, I think, Norman coins from London were less valuable than those minted in Normandy, while I believe there were also differences in the the thalers minted by different German princelings.0 -
Dair We shall see, and also if there is any unionist tactical voting.0
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The seat was Bute and North Ayrshire until 1983 held by John Corrie. It then became Cunningham North in 1983 and John Corrie won it once losing to Brian Wilson in 1987. North Ayrshire and Arran was only created in 2005 and is held by Brian Wilson's successor Katy Clark.RodCrosby said:
The seat was known as Cunninghame North, and was mostly the former North Ayrshire and Arran.Easterross said:
Actually Labour has only held North Ayrshire since 1987 when they won the former Bute and North Ayrshire from the Tories.malcolmg said:
Hopefully Labour finally get chucked out of North Ayrshire, they have run it forever and managed to make it into a desert.Dair said:
If I was looking for a decent Hedge on Scottish Labour I would go for North Ayrshire and Arran.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but which one?Pong said:I recon, however bad it gets for labour, they'll still have a 10%+ lead over the SNP in at least one constituency in May.
Katy Clarke gives a very, very good impression of being left wing, probably the most left wing Labour MP.
She voted with the SNP on Austerity, Trident and Fracking.
Until recently even I was fooled and wondered if she might be a candidate to defect to the Greens.
(The reality is she is a 100% careerist Labourite but she really does convince she isnt).
I'm not sure it will be enough to save her, but if any decent value Labour incumbent exists, it is probably her but I can't find any odds being offered anything over 15/8 would be value.0 -
As Glasgow voted 53% Yes in indyref, 8% more than Scotland as a whole, I would not be surprised to see the SNP sweep the board in the city0
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The other hint Lord Ashcroft gives is about the significance of Yes voting for SNP performance. Maybe my model will stand further scrutiny after all.0
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All hail SMAPSantifrank said:The other hint Lord Ashcroft gives is about the significance of Yes voting for SNP performance. Maybe my model will stand further scrutiny after all.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sAVzqjn9iA10c1wVlAwCiR0ycue0P83ixV-Zsak3ufs/edit
I actually tweaked SMAPS a little in my perosnal spreadsheet to give a percentage of Yes and No votes in a region to SNP/Greens to bring it more in line with your model and to model different opinion polls.
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On the theme of Caledonian antisyzygy, here's a new writer on STV with an interesting point re age and Labour voting -
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/308257-aidan-kerr-on-the-electoral-challenges-facing-the-scottish-labour-party/
'Delving deep into the Ipsos-MORI/STV poll I found startling polling figures amongst 18-24 year olds and 25-34 year olds, the former registering just 11% support for Labour and the latter 20%. Furthermore, Labour’s highest support levels in terms of employment status was to be found amongst those who are retired with a nine percent increase above the national average at 31%. It seems that there has been a generational shift away from the Labour Party in Scotland.'
Though I think this one is just a wee bittockie ironic ...
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/308127-daisley-mail-stephen-daisleys-take-on-politics-polls-general-election/
'Scottish Labour has called on the Electoral Commission to halt a "dangerous and untested" procedure in the run-up to the 2015 general election.'Democracy' is a method for extracting the views of voters through a process known as elections and is being trialled in Scotland for the first time this May.'0 -
For those that haven't been folowing the latest Jim Murphy wheeze this is a piss take on Scottish Labour's "We'll ban fracking but won't vote on a bill to ban fracking" stance.Carnyx said:
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/308127-daisley-mail-stephen-daisleys-take-on-politics-polls-general-election/
'Scottish Labour has called on the Electoral Commission to halt a "dangerous and untested" procedure in the run-up to the 2015 general election.'Democracy' is a method for extracting the views of voters through a process known as elections and is being trialled in Scotland for the first time this May.'0 -
There will be lots of Unionist Tactical Voting as long as it is for Liberal ME.HYUFD said:Dair We shall see, and also if there is any unionist tactical voting.
There will be lots of Unionist Tactical Voting as long as it is for Labour ME.
There will be lots of Unionist Tactical Voting as long as it is for Tory ME.0 -
PS But just seen this mention of a neighbouring constituency - would have been interesting to have a bet ...Pong said:
I'll happily lay a bet on the SNP vote % in liverpool walton. You can have any stake you like.Carnyx said:
Presumably you mean Scottish constituencies ...Pong said:Before the Ashcroft polls ruin the fun, does anyone want a bet on how much of the labour vote goes to the SNP in labours safest seat?
I recon, however bad it gets for labour, they'll still have a 10%+ lead over the SNP in at least one constituency in May.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/alex-salmond-interview-i-love-england-its-just-let-down-by-cameron-miliband-1485594
'When we asked if he had an "England"' problem, Salmond replied: "As probably the most avid practising anglophile in Scottish politics, I don't see that at all.
"I can only go on the reception I got when I did Question Time in Liverpool recently. If the audience had been polled, actually they were polled if I remember rightly, immediately afterward... if I was standing for Liverpool Scotland constituency, as opposed to Gordon, then I would maybe not rate my chances as highly, but I would be in with a fair shout."'
And he's not seeking a ministerial post:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/alex-salmond-interview-im-not-looking-role-british-government-1485610
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That's still legal in England..Dair said:
Were you both having a pint down the golf club?antifrank said:Incidentally, regular posters might be interested to know that a good friend described me today as someone who looks and sounds startlingly like Nigel Farage.
That is to say, a former good friend.0 -
The turnout might be a big factor in Glasgow North. Maryhill and Springburn both had sub-40% turnouts in 2011 and even list MSP Bobby Doris couldn;t life Maryhill off Labour. It's do-able but it doesn't come across to me as a great bet.Alistair said:0 -
Nurse....0
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So will YouGov maintain their (joint) Gold standard status for a third night in a row?0
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Thanks to Scottish Labour pressure (i.e. refusing to ban fracking) the SNP has now banned fracking!Alistair said:
For those that haven't been folowing the latest Jim Murphy wheeze this is a piss take on Scottish Labour's "We'll ban fracking but won't vote on a bill to ban fracking" stance.Carnyx said:
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/308127-daisley-mail-stephen-daisleys-take-on-politics-polls-general-election/
'Scottish Labour has called on the Electoral Commission to halt a "dangerous and untested" procedure in the run-up to the 2015 general election.'Democracy' is a method for extracting the views of voters through a process known as elections and is being trialled in Scotland for the first time this May.'0 -
Interesting to see the details of the new yougov EU poll. Voters would vote to stay in by 43-38%, Scotland, London and the South would vote to stay, the Midlands and Wales to leave, the North is exactly tied
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/tscgkeooir/BritishInfluenceResults_150119_Europe_Website.pdf0 -
I can imagine pish turnout again with the SNP voters way more enthused than Labour voters.Dair said:
The turnout might be a big factor in Glasgow North. Maryhill and Springburn both had sub-40% turnouts in 2011 and even list MSP Bobby Doris couldn;t life Maryhill off Labour. It's do-able but it doesn't come across to me as a great bet.Alistair said:
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It is only being drunk that makes Britain bearable. It is going to be miserable in Scotland with the puritans banning a pint or a dram at the end of a round.Dair said:
Were you both having a pint down the golf club?antifrank said:Incidentally, regular posters might be interested to know that a good friend described me today as someone who looks and sounds startlingly like Nigel Farage.
That is to say, a former good friend.0 -
And legal in Scotland. But get the Night Bus home to avoid breaking the law.TGOHF said:
That's still legal in England..Dair said:
Were you both having a pint down the golf club?antifrank said:Incidentally, regular posters might be interested to know that a good friend described me today as someone who looks and sounds startlingly like Nigel Farage.
That is to say, a former good friend.0 -
He really is thick.Moses_ said:bigjohnowls said:
response times were better than they had been for the same period the previous year though weren't they.Moses_ said:BBC covering Wales NHS worst 999 month for emergency response on record with over 50% of calls not meeting the 8 minute rate. A very thorough report indeed on the catastrophe in Wales with absolutely nothing omitted , straight for the jugular stuff.....
Oh wait a minute? ......they did forget to mention one tiny little fact .......
It's controlled by Labour.
I n England we have gone from hitting all NHS targets to missing nearly all of them.
The Tories Wales/weaponising responses will not save them from this fact IMO
What part of the term "worse on record" do you not understands?0 -
Dair It depends on who is the SNP's main challenger0
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As someone who generally votes SNP and voted Yes, I've been hearing this all my life but I have still never seen any evidence of it. Possible the opposite.Alistair said:
I can imagine pish turnout again with the SNP voters way more enthused than Labour voters.Dair said:
The turnout might be a big factor in Glasgow North. Maryhill and Springburn both had sub-40% turnouts in 2011 and even list MSP Bobby Doris couldn;t life Maryhill off Labour. It's do-able but it doesn't come across to me as a great bet.Alistair said:0 -
That'll teach you to wear mustard coloured corduroy in the City, on a Wednesday.antifrank said:Incidentally, regular posters might be interested to know that a good friend described me today as someone who looks and sounds startlingly like Nigel Farage.
That is to say, a former good friend.0 -
Its not though look at the numbers.Moses_ said:bigjohnowls said:
response times were better than they had been for the same period the previous year though weren't they.Moses_ said:BBC covering Wales NHS worst 999 month for emergency response on record with over 50% of calls not meeting the 8 minute rate. A very thorough report indeed on the catastrophe in Wales with absolutely nothing omitted , straight for the jugular stuff.....
Oh wait a minute? ......they did forget to mention one tiny little fact .......
It's controlled by Labour.
I n England we have gone from hitting all NHS targets to missing nearly all of them.
The Tories Wales/weaponising responses will not save them from this fact IMO
What part of the term "worse on record" do you not understands?
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Yes. Thanks. I don't know why that came out back-to-front!Easterross said:
The seat was Bute and North Ayrshire until 1983 held by John Corrie. It then became Cunningham North in 1983 and John Corrie won it once losing to Brian Wilson in 1987. North Ayrshire and Arran was only created in 2005 and is held by Brian Wilson's successor Katy Clark.RodCrosby said:
The seat was known as Cunninghame North, and was mostly the former North Ayrshire and Arran.Easterross said:
Actually Labour has only held North Ayrshire since 1987 when they won the former Bute and North Ayrshire from the Tories.malcolmg said:
Hopefully Labour finally get chucked out of North Ayrshire, they have run it forever and managed to make it into a desert.Dair said:
If I was looking for a decent Hedge on Scottish Labour I would go for North Ayrshire and Arran.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but which one?Pong said:I recon, however bad it gets for labour, they'll still have a 10%+ lead over the SNP in at least one constituency in May.
Katy Clarke gives a very, very good impression of being left wing, probably the most left wing Labour MP.
She voted with the SNP on Austerity, Trident and Fracking.
Until recently even I was fooled and wondered if she might be a candidate to defect to the Greens.
(The reality is she is a 100% careerist Labourite but she really does convince she isnt).
I'm not sure it will be enough to save her, but if any decent value Labour incumbent exists, it is probably her but I can't find any odds being offered anything over 15/8 would be value.
Anyhow Cunninghame North was the seat the Tories lost in 1987.0 -
Thick would be people who can't compare the numbers from Dec 13 and Dec 14 and then call people who have thick.nigel4england said:
He really is thick.Moses_ said:bigjohnowls said:
response times were better than they had been for the same period the previous year though weren't they.Moses_ said:BBC covering Wales NHS worst 999 month for emergency response on record with over 50% of calls not meeting the 8 minute rate. A very thorough report indeed on the catastrophe in Wales with absolutely nothing omitted , straight for the jugular stuff.....
Oh wait a minute? ......they did forget to mention one tiny little fact .......
It's controlled by Labour.
I n England we have gone from hitting all NHS targets to missing nearly all of them.
The Tories Wales/weaponising responses will not save them from this fact IMO
What part of the term "worse on record" do you not understands?
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