"All planes grounded at London airports London's airports are facing widespread cancellations and delays All of London’s airspace has been closed because of a technical failure."
I wish. I’m sitting on a plane at Gatwick, and it is not moving
I have doubts I’ll be flying today. Feels like one of those major fuck ups
They want to make sure you’re in Blighty to experience the double whammy of Threads and The Wargame tonight. Your new soft furnishings are going to be tested to destruction.
Ha, Blighty autocorrected to Blight, appropriate on several levels.
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
I think the problem here is apparently the radar in the London area so they don't want anything in the air or navigating the airspace so its land everything
There's no way this isn't a hack on air traffic control. It happened this time last year. There's no way this isn't aimed to cause as much annoyance as possible.
I don't think there is a single point when you can pinpoint "went wrong". I also think Brexit wasn't the start, rather a reaction to all the things that had gone wrong leading up to it, and was a tip the apple cart over reaction.
The 2008 crash is probably where it started. Could that have been avoided?
Perhaps. IIRC as part of the shake of the UK financial system that gave interest rate setting powers to the BoE Brown made the (in retrospect) fatal error of taking away oversight of UK banking from the BoE and giving it to ... absolutely nobody. The FCA was mandated to prevent fraud & customer mistreatment & the BoE was supposed to handle interest rates & the government’s needs.
So in those crucial few years there was nobody with the power to look at the aggregate figures & go “hang on a moment, is this right?”
Obviously nothing in the UK could have prevented the issues that swept the US banking industry, but we hugely exposed ourselves to the risk of the credit markets drying up without anyone in power even noticing that it had happened.
While the GFC had repercussions that are behind a lot of the pain that is felt today, I do have sympathy with the Brexit referendum being a popular choice. Whether Brexit as a concept (or execution) is good or bad, the amount of government time and the political paralysis it caused from 2016 until 2020 had harmful effects and was far more visible than the GFC fallout in some ways (and then, we cathartically kicked out Labour and hugged a hoodie embraced Cameron.
Interesting how things are named though. I think the GFC would have done far better with Tory and Ref voters if it had been labelled 'Gordon Brown's financial crash' or even 'the financial crash under Gordon Brown's labour government'.
The GFC was also a big part of the start of politicians being very untruthful with the public about the tradeoffs in what we can afford or the taxes we need to pay. Labour as there were immediate confidence problems to deal with and an election coming and Conservatives as they needed a narrative that they were fixing things.
"All planes grounded at London airports London's airports are facing widespread cancellations and delays All of London’s airspace has been closed because of a technical failure."
There's no way this isn't a hack on air traffic control. It happened this time last year. There's no way this isn't aimed to cause as much annoyance as possible.
NATS claim it is fixed but obviously it will take a while to juggle all the planes now in the wrong place.
I don't think there is a single point when you can pinpoint "went wrong". I also think Brexit wasn't the start, rather a reaction to all the things that had gone wrong leading up to it, and was a tip the apple cart over reaction.
I think the GFC undermined peoples' confidence in "the system" and from that point were looking for someone to blame and to kick the dog. Hence Brexit, Reform, etc al.
I guess also since the GFC the likes of the UK have suffered piss poor growth, wages aren't better, etc, while America has still done very well, and obviously the rise of Asia...and of course with the internet we see all of this.
It is why Magic Grandpa's message lands.
George Osborne's Plan A austerity. We fell behind, America roared ahead, after both suffered the GFC.
Most of Europe has been just as badly performing.
Europe, led by Germany, also had austerity. Ironically, Osborne's plan might have worked if not for this. Austerity at home and increased exports abroad, but you can't export if your market has also closed down.
I just finished DeLong's economic history of the 20th century, _Slouching Towards Utopia_, and he reckons it all went wrong with the turn towards neoliberalism in the 1980s... (He also thinks the US only did about half what it needed to recover post GFC, and points to China as the country that actually did the economic right thing of massive government investment at zero interest rates.)
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
I think the problem here is apparently the radar in the London area so they don't want anything in the air or navigating the airspace so its land everything
“London Radar” is the name of the airspace over Southern England, all controlled from Swanick, near Southampton, which is where the failure occurred”.
While the GFC had repercussions that are behind a lot of the pain that is felt today, I do have sympathy with the Brexit referendum being a popular choice. Whether Brexit as a concept (or execution) is good or bad, the amount of government time and the political paralysis it caused from 2016 until 2020 had harmful effects and was far more visible than the GFC fallout in some ways (and then, we cathartically kicked out Labour and hugged a hoodie embraced Cameron.
Interesting how things are named though. I think the GFC would have done far better with Tory and Ref voters if it had been labelled 'Gordon Brown's financial crash' or even 'the financial crash under Gordon Brown's labour government'.
The GFC was also a big part of the start of politicians being very untruthful with the public about the tradeoffs in what we can afford or the taxes we need to pay. Labour as there were immediate confidence problems to deal with and an election coming and Conservatives as they needed a narrative that they were fixing things.
Heh, guess who forgot to close the strike tag (or closed it with /em) and didn't notice during the editing period...
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
I think the problem here is apparently the radar in the London area so they don't want anything in the air or navigating the airspace so its land everything
“London Radar” is the name of the airspace over Southern England, all controlled from Swanick, near Southampton, which is where the failure occurred”.
Mohammed Fahir Amaaz guilty of airport attack on police officers
The jury was unable to reach verdicts on allegations that Amaaz and his brother, Muhammad Ahmed, 26, assaulted PC Zachary Marsden causing actual bodily harm.
That would explain why it took time to get the verdicts. I've not followed the details of all the charges, so don't know about whether that one was weaker than the rest.
Lucy Powell needs to resign or be sacked from the cabinet. And Paul Waugh needs to issue an apology pronto:
Agreed, everyone was far too keen to weigh in on the narrative that GMP were awful racists before the footage emerged of them beating a female officer.
Paul Waugh has tried to subtly walk it back, but as a constituent who voted for him, I am unimpressed and will be writing to him to make my feelings clear.
Didn’t Andy Burnham make some foolish remarks as well?
Burnham isn't daft, he said the initial footage was 'disturbing', got the Chief Constable in, and then was clearly shown the rest of the footage. He then made a statement saying 'no one has all the facts' and not to jump to conclusions.
That's why he's King of The North.
(CPS have said they're going for a retrial on the second assault change, according to local media)
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
At least a couple of hours, even on a very short flight.
Unsurprisingly there’s a lot of rules about this, and pilots are required to declare a “Mayday” emergency if they will land with less than 30 minutes’ duration fuel left, which will clear the skies around them for a priority landing (and a fair amount of paperwork afterwards!).
There’s a lot of airports within flying distance of the disruption, and no risk whatsoever to passengers.
They lost confidence, after the thousand mile per hour winds forecasts?
Good news if this means Met Office back in the beeb weather app - I preferred its layout etc, but the met office forecasts are, or at least were, when I switched, better.
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
I think the problem here is apparently the radar in the London area so they don't want anything in the air or navigating the airspace so its land everything
“London Radar” is the name of the airspace over Southern England, all controlled from Swanick, near Southampton, which is where the failure occurred”.
Personally I think the shift to farming from hunter-gathering was the real error
You've been reading Sapiens. Brilliant book.
One might see it as an error, but once one society did it, it became a matter of survival for other societies to follow suit. From the dawn of States, until very recently, the principal function of the State was to wage war. A State with a burgeoning population, supported by agriculture, can simply overwhelm any non-State society without agriculture (other than steppe cultures).
Personally I think the shift to farming from hunter-gathering was the real error
You've been reading Sapiens. Brilliant book.
One might see it as an error, but once one society did it, it became a matter of survival for other societies to follow suit. From the dawn of States, until very recently, the principal function of the State was to wage war. A State with a burgeoning population, supported by agriculture, can simply overwhelm any non-State society without agriculture (other than steppe cultures).
It will be the same with AI, bionic humans and cyborgs. An error to introduce them to our world, but a necessity too.
What interests me about that survey is the allocation of 'guilt' to the 2016 referendum. In fact, in the previous decades there were multiple points of decision which eventually led to the referendum. Had the governments in question followed the democratic path, they could well have carried the population with them. But they ducked & swerved repeatedly to avoid the risk of an outcome they didn't want.
I don't think there is a single point when you can pinpoint "went wrong". I also think Brexit wasn't the start, rather a reaction to all the things that had gone wrong leading up to it, and was a tip the apple cart over reaction.
The 2008 crash is probably where it started. Could that have been avoided?
Perhaps. IIRC as part of the shake of the UK financial system that gave interest rate setting powers to the BoE Brown made the (in retrospect) fatal error of taking away oversight of UK banking from the BoE and giving it to ... absolutely nobody. The FCA was mandated to prevent fraud & customer mistreatment & the BoE was supposed to handle interest rates & the government’s needs.
So in those crucial few years there was nobody with the power to look at the aggregate figures & go “hang on a moment, is this right?”
Obviously nothing in the UK could have prevented the issues that swept the US banking industry, but we hugely exposed ourselves to the risk of the credit markets drying up without anyone in power even noticing that it had happened.
That's not really what happened though. You might as well blame selling gold or the 75p pension rise for the GFC (even if they did have other consequences). Not to mention Bank of England oversight was a joke by then already, see Barings or BCCI, there was also a conflict of interest whose nature I have forgotten.
Those who think that we went off the rails only at the Brexit Referendum are the problem with this country.
They refuse to acknowedge there was a a problem that the majority thought could ONLY be solved by Brexit. "Everything was fucking fine...until Brexit" is so patently absurd.
I'd personally start from the UK's post-war flirtation with socialism - and nationalisation. Labour implementing a business model that invariably led to leaving office with fewer jobs than they inherited. Taxing the rich "until the pips squeak". And the indignity of the IMF telling us what we coud and couldn't do.
Brexit is but a rounding error against the woes of socialism. And at least has benefits.
They lost confidence, after the thousand mile per hour winds forecasts?
Good news if this means Met Office back in the beeb weather app - I preferred its layout etc, but the met office forecasts are, or at least were, when I switched, better.
I use several weather sites as well as look out the window and hope. Something about Britain being at the intersection of several weather systems makes forecasting uniquely difficult, or that's their excuse anyway.
Those who think that we went off the rails only at the Brexit Referendum are the problem with this country.
They refuse to acknowedge there was a a problem that the majority thought could ONLY be solved by Brexit. "Everything was fucking fine...until Brexit" is so patently absurd.
I'd personally start from the UK's post-war flirtation with socialism - and nationalisation. Labour implementing a business model that invariably led to leaving office with fewer jobs than they inherited. Taxing the rich "until the pips squeak". And the indignity of the IMF telling us what we coud and couldn't do.
Brexit is but a rounding error against the woes of socialism. And at least has benefits.
Nationalisation might have been an issue in the 1960s and 70s, but the sins of Thatchers privatisations are the far bigger issue, massive underinvestment in water and transport.
"All planes grounded at London airports London's airports are facing widespread cancellations and delays All of London’s airspace has been closed because of a technical failure."
The English Reformation was where it all went wrong. An unpopular disruption of a flourishing early modern Catholic culture, not the inevitable fulfillment of a popular wish to break with a decaying, corrupt church as propagandists have made out, which had long term ill effects on social cohesion and relations with our neighbours.
I don't think there is a single point when you can pinpoint "went wrong". I also think Brexit wasn't the start, rather a reaction to all the things that had gone wrong leading up to it, and was a tip the apple cart over reaction.
I think the GFC undermined peoples' confidence in "the system" and from that point were looking for someone to blame and to kick the dog. Hence Brexit, Reform, etc al.
I guess also since the GFC the likes of the UK have suffered piss poor growth, wages aren't better, etc, while America has still done very well, and obviously the rise of Asia...and of course with the internet we see all of this.
It is why Magic Grandpa's message lands.
George Osborne's Plan A austerity. We fell behind, America roared ahead, after both suffered the GFC.
Most of Europe has been just as badly performing.
Europe, led by Germany, also had austerity. Ironically, Osborne's plan might have worked if not for this. Austerity at home and increased exports abroad, but you can't export if your market has also closed down.
I just finished DeLong's economic history of the 20th century, _Slouching Towards Utopia_, and he reckons it all went wrong with the turn towards neoliberalism in the 1980s... (He also thinks the US only did about half what it needed to recover post GFC, and points to China as the country that actually did the economic right thing of massive government investment at zero interest rates.)
That's not an unpersuasive thesis.
The UK, of course, also failed in this respect.
Part of that, though, is arguably down to Brown's reckless spending leading to a loss of faith in government capital investment. And then everyone spending the next decade arguing about Brexit, rather than anything productive.
Those who think that we went off the rails only at the Brexit Referendum are the problem with this country.
They refuse to acknowedge there was a a problem that the majority thought could ONLY be solved by Brexit. "Everything was fucking fine...until Brexit" is so patently absurd.
I'd personally start from the UK's post-war flirtation with socialism - and nationalisation. Labour implementing a business model that invariably led to leaving office with fewer jobs than they inherited. Taxing the rich "until the pips squeak". And the indignity of the IMF telling us what we coud and couldn't do.
Brexit is but a rounding error against the woes of socialism. And at least has benefits.
The period of nationalised industry was roughly 1945-1983. 38 years. Neoliberalism has had 42 years.
If I am reading this correctly in Ireland the court has ruled that basically the government can decide not to provide accommodation for certain types of Asylum seekers, rather give them a small amount of money instead.
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
Now Ryan Walters is accusing Republican Governor Kevin Stitt, who endorsed him, of setting him up on the porn scandal by instructing board members to make it all up. Nice job, Oklahoma. 50th in education on top of it. https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1950582701611737534
Thangam debonaire looks TERRIBLE here. But it isn’t an accident. Much of the Labour right is like this. Because of our two party system they’ve never had to actually persuade anyone - just say ‘I’m not the Tory’. Those days are over now. Good.
Personally I think the shift to farming from hunter-gathering was the real error
You've been reading Sapiens. Brilliant book.
One might see it as an error, but once one society did it, it became a matter of survival for other societies to follow suit. From the dawn of States, until very recently, the principal function of the State was to wage war. A State with a burgeoning population, supported by agriculture, can simply overwhelm any non-State society without agriculture (other than steppe cultures).
It will be the same with AI, bionic humans and cyborgs. An error to introduce them to our world, but a necessity too.
The idea that civilisation corrupts and enfeebles people is ancient, and no doubt it can be traced from the time that sturdy hunter-gatherers gradually became shorter, and more disease-prone, but far more numerous, agriculturalists.
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Over the last few months we have begun to see glimpses of our AI systems improving themselves. The improvement is slow for now, but undeniable. Developing superintelligence is now in sight.
I don't think there is a single point when you can pinpoint "went wrong". I also think Brexit wasn't the start, rather a reaction to all the things that had gone wrong leading up to it, and was a tip the apple cart over reaction.
I think the GFC undermined peoples' confidence in "the system" and from that point were looking for someone to blame and to kick the dog. Hence Brexit, Reform, etc al.
I guess also since the GFC the likes of the UK have suffered piss poor growth, wages aren't better, etc, while America has still done very well, and obviously the rise of Asia...and of course with the internet we see all of this.
It is why Magic Grandpa's message lands.
George Osborne's Plan A austerity. We fell behind, America roared ahead, after both suffered the GFC.
Most of Europe has been just as badly performing.
Europe, led by Germany, also had austerity. Ironically, Osborne's plan might have worked if not for this. Austerity at home and increased exports abroad, but you can't export if your market has also closed down.
I just finished DeLong's economic history of the 20th century, _Slouching Towards Utopia_, and he reckons it all went wrong with the turn towards neoliberalism in the 1980s... (He also thinks the US only did about half what it needed to recover post GFC, and points to China as the country that actually did the economic right thing of massive government investment at zero interest rates.)
That's not an unpersuasive thesis.
The UK, of course, also failed in this respect.
Part of that, though, is arguably down to Brown's reckless spending leading to a loss of faith in government capital investment. And then everyone spending the next decade arguing about Brexit, rather than anything productive.
Brown's spending was not reckless; that was one of the complaints at the time. And neither the Thatcher nor Cameron governments that bookended it believed in government investment to start with.
The English Reformation was where it all went wrong. An unpopular disruption of a flourishing early modern Catholic culture, not the inevitable fulfillment of a popular wish to break with a decaying, corrupt church as propagandists have made out, which had long term ill effects on social cohesion and relations with our neighbours.
We were doing fine until those Frenchies came over in small boats in 1066.
Sounds very much like an agreement to form an agreement...
BBC News understands it is not a commercial relationship involving procurement, but an agreement between the two organisations in the interests of public service..The BBC's weather forecasts will continue to come from DTN for the time being...
Labour has settled claims brought by 20 people, mainly former staffers, who featured in a leaked internal document about antisemitism in the party, with the costs estimated to be close to £2m.
The settlements include a payout to Labour’s former elections chief Patrick Heneghan, who was falsely accused in the dossier of having tried to sabotage Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of winning the 2017 general election.
It is understood the payouts will total just under £1m, but with Labour paying both sides’ legal fees the cost to the party will be near to £2m. This puts the total legal costs for Labour connected to the dossier at more than £4m, with court documents released last year showing the party spent £2.4m on its own eventually abandoned lawsuit pursuing five separate staffers it accused of being behind the leak.
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
At least a couple of hours, even on a very short flight.
Unsurprisingly there’s a lot of rules about this, and pilots are required to declare a “Mayday” emergency if they will land with less than 30 minutes’ duration fuel left, which will clear the skies around them for a priority landing (and a fair amount of paperwork afterwards!).
There’s a lot of airports within flying distance of the disruption, and no risk whatsoever to passengers.
two things Firstly, before they issue a Mayday call the pilots will issue a PAN call which will be the first warning to the ATC getting them to prioritise them. a Mayday is essentially an emergency 'we must land now' call.
Secondly, before take-off the plane must be fuelled to their destination plus extra to get them to an alternative with enough to spare to wait in the queue.
Over the last few months we have begun to see glimpses of our AI systems improving themselves. The improvement is slow for now, but undeniable. Developing superintelligence is now in sight.
This is the Zuck who’s been making nine-figure offers to lure staff from other AI companies, but has been turned down every time because they have equity where they are?
Labour has settled claims brought by 20 people, mainly former staffers, who featured in a leaked internal document about antisemitism in the party, with the costs estimated to be close to £2m.
The settlements include a payout to Labour’s former elections chief Patrick Heneghan, who was falsely accused in the dossier of having tried to sabotage Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of winning the 2017 general election.
It is understood the payouts will total just under £1m, but with Labour paying both sides’ legal fees the cost to the party will be near to £2m. This puts the total legal costs for Labour connected to the dossier at more than £4m, with court documents released last year showing the party spent £2.4m on its own eventually abandoned lawsuit pursuing five separate staffers it accused of being behind the leak.
Labour has settled claims brought by 20 people, mainly former staffers, who featured in a leaked internal document about antisemitism in the party, with the costs estimated to be close to £2m.
The settlements include a payout to Labour’s former elections chief Patrick Heneghan, who was falsely accused in the dossier of having tried to sabotage Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of winning the 2017 general election.
It is understood the payouts will total just under £1m, but with Labour paying both sides’ legal fees the cost to the party will be near to £2m. This puts the total legal costs for Labour connected to the dossier at more than £4m, with court documents released last year showing the party spent £2.4m on its own eventually abandoned lawsuit pursuing five separate staffers it accused of being behind the leak.
If I am reading this correctly in Ireland the court has ruled that basically the government can decide not to provide accommodation for certain types of Asylum seekers, rather give them a small amount of money instead.
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
At least a couple of hours, even on a very short flight.
Unsurprisingly there’s a lot of rules about this, and pilots are required to declare a “Mayday” emergency if they will land with less than 30 minutes’ duration fuel left, which will clear the skies around them for a priority landing (and a fair amount of paperwork afterwards!).
There’s a lot of airports within flying distance of the disruption, and no risk whatsoever to passengers.
two things Firstly, before they issue a Mayday call the pilots will issue a PAN call which will be the first warning to the ATC getting them to prioritise them. a Mayday is essentially an emergency 'we must land now' call.
Secondly, before take-off the plane must be fuelled to their destination plus extra to get them to an alternative with enough to spare to wait in the queue.
All correct.
However, pilots coming from the East into the UK might have nominated Heathrow as their destination and Manchester as their ‘alternate’. So if the whole of the London Radar area is difficult closed, they’ll look to hold in position when the closure is announced, and then divert somewhere in Europe if not.
From the West, I suspect Shannon and Prestwick might have a few diversions too.
Commercial pilots are used to this sort of disruption though, and also have communications with their base that will recommend diversion airfields based on things like availability of handling staff and hotels. For example, a BA 777 from Dubai to LHR will end up in Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt, places where BA already has loads of staff, and the airport and city have no problem handling a 777 and 300 people.
Only for an in-flight emergency (engine failure, medical emergency etc) will they land a plane somehwere without logistical support.
Interesting that Tory voters think the election of a Labour Prime Minister 28 years ago is the biggest reason the UK is on the wrong track. Do they not think that 14 years of their own government since then might have fixed that?
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
Interesting that Tory voters think the election of a Labour Prime Minister 28 years ago is the biggest reason the UK is on the wrong track. Do they not think that 14 years of their own government since then might have fixed that?
Yes, almost as stupid as Labour voters blaming the election of a Tory Prime Minister 36 years ago when they have 14 years of their own government since that might have fixed that.
Interesting that Tory voters think the election of a Labour Prime Minister 28 years ago is the biggest reason the UK is on the wrong track. Do they not think that 14 years of their own government since then might have fixed that?
as with the people that see thatcher, or the Atlee government, as the problem. they see something they don't like and make the evidence they see lead to the cause of the problem.
Almost as if Jews are not a monoculture. To be serious for a moment, political analysis is full of sweeping generalisations that would be laughed out of court in other disciplines, or into court on grounds of racism. WWC votes Reform, and so on.
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
I think the problem here is apparently the radar in the London area so they don't want anything in the air or navigating the airspace so its land everything
“London Radar” is the name of the airspace over Southern England, all controlled from Swanick, near Southampton, which is where the failure occurred”.
It’s Swanwick, and the London CTR/FIR, the FIR including both controlled and uncontrolled airspace. The UK has just London, and Scottish
Interesting that Tory voters think the election of a Labour Prime Minister 28 years ago is the biggest reason the UK is on the wrong track. Do they not think that 14 years of their own government since then might have fixed that?
Same applies to the 8% of Labour voters who say Thatcher is to blame.
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
My holiday reading a couple of years ago was ‘The Real Top Boy’.
Quite an eye opener as to what some communities are living with and it touches on not only the Albanians but the Somali gangs now running drugs. Hellbanianz was one such group.
One has to admire the entrepreneurial skills these people have and they know if they’re caught they won’t be deported.
The road men are the mugs who take the fall for them.
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
I think the problem here is apparently the radar in the London area so they don't want anything in the air or navigating the airspace so its land everything
“London Radar” is the name of the airspace over Southern England, all controlled from Swanick, near Southampton, which is where the failure occurred”.
It’s Swanwick, and the London CTR/FIR, the FIR including both controlled and uncontrolled airspace. The UK has just London, and Scottish
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
My holiday reading a couple of years ago was ‘The Real Top Boy’.
Quite an eye opener as to what some communities are living with and it touches on not only the Albanians but the Somali gangs now running drugs. Hellbanianz was one such group.
One has to admire the entrepreneurial skills these people have and they know if they’re caught they won’t be deported.
The road men are the mugs who take the fall for them.
Apparently if you call the Albanians for drugs theses days, you pretty much go through a professional call centre.
When did it all start to go wrong? Can I suggest the election of Margaret Thatcher.
Taxes on income went down, indirect ones, in particular VAT, up.
You can suggest it - doesn't make it true.
Thatcher's revolution (as wiser comments have acknowledged) was itself a reaction to the stagnation and decline caused by the post-war consensus around state socialism. And the post-war consensus itself retained its hold because of World War 2. World War 2 really did for us.
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
My holiday reading a couple of years ago was ‘The Real Top Boy’.
Quite an eye opener as to what some communities are living with and it touches on not only the Albanians but the Somali gangs now running drugs. Hellbanianz was one such group.
One has to admire the entrepreneurial skills these people have and they know if they’re caught they won’t be deported.
The road men are the mugs who take the fall for them.
Apparently if you call the Albanians for drugs theses days, you pretty much go through a professional call centre.
As in you can't speak to anyone, are on hold for 45 minutes still none the wiser?
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
My holiday reading a couple of years ago was ‘The Real Top Boy’.
Quite an eye opener as to what some communities are living with and it touches on not only the Albanians but the Somali gangs now running drugs. Hellbanianz was one such group.
One has to admire the entrepreneurial skills these people have and they know if they’re caught they won’t be deported.
The road men are the mugs who take the fall for them.
Apparently if you call the Albanians for drugs theses days, you pretty much go through a professional call centre.
Their awkward tenant eviction service is, reputedly, rather good too. 😱
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
Because Albanian drug gangs are really keen on Health and Safety?
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
But like the topic you shouldn't have mentioned, a lot of crime by young black men now goes un-policed. Do you blame the perpetrators, or do you reserve the real blame for those who make a consequence-free environment for them?
And yet there are planes landing? I guess they have to let them land….
The alternative is a bit mangly
How long can the average passenger plane stay on the air for before running out of fuel?
I think the problem here is apparently the radar in the London area so they don't want anything in the air or navigating the airspace so its land everything
“London Radar” is the name of the airspace over Southern England, all controlled from Swanick, near Southampton, which is where the failure occurred”.
It’s Swanwick, and the London CTR/FIR, the FIR including both controlled and uncontrolled airspace. The UK has just London, and Scottish
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
Because Albanian drug gangs are really keen on Health and Safety?
Suspect down to bigger, more organised with the ages of the bosses significantly older. If you have scale and a threat of extreme violence it reduces the need or desire for casual violence.
@taz, can I thank you for your nice comment on the last thread. I hope you enjoy your cruise. I am avoiding cruises like the plague as I enjoy my food and booze too much They would be rolling me off the gang plank. I guess I will eventually succumb. I used to enjoy activity holidays (skiing, sailing, etc), but I am past that at 70, although I do cycle every year in France. This year was sight seeing in Spain and Italy in June and May, cycling in September down the Canal du Midi then for a regular birthday celebration of my cousin in Portugal. Might pop over to France in October house hunting.
When did it all start to go wrong? Can I suggest the election of Margaret Thatcher.
Taxes on income went down, indirect ones, in particular VAT, up.
You can suggest it - doesn't make it true.
Thatcher's revolution (as wiser comments have acknowledged) was itself a reaction to the stagnation and decline caused by the post-war consensus around state socialism. And the post-war consensus itself retained its hold because of World War 2. World War 2 really did for us.
Well WW1 and WW2, and the financial opportunism of the US.
Interesting that Tory voters think the election of a Labour Prime Minister 28 years ago is the biggest reason the UK is on the wrong track. Do they not think that 14 years of their own government since then might have fixed that?
To be fair it is mainly those Tories who according to James O 'Brexit have their blue scarves tied too tightly around their necks. ( The same can apply to a red scarf).
Some of the PB faithful still contend that Johnson got all the big calls right.
We are afraid to talk about Black violent crime in the way we do about Grooming gangs which is dominated by Muslims because race is even more sensitive a subject than religion. But needs to change.
Get outside London and look at Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle where it is mainly White gang members stabbing or shooting each other. It's not really a race thing.
I'd recommend an a day at either of Manchester's Crown Courts to disabuse you of this notion. Drug and county lines gangs with high levels of violence are on trial daily, and Pakistani/Bangaldeshi heritage defendants are over-represented. Albanians are massively over-represented in OCGs, depends whether they fall into your definition of 'white', they're certainly not White British.
Albanians have recently taken over drugs, yes. But by and large they were never the ‘youth’ stabbing each other.
Because Albanian drug gangs are really keen on Health and Safety?
Suspect down to bigger, more organised with the ages of the bosses significantly older. If you have scale and a threat of extreme violence it reduces the need or desire for casual violence.
The Albanians seem to think it's bad for business, only interested in cash. I also agree that the younger the age of gang members, the more inclined they are towards violence.
There has been an ongoing turf war around street dealing close to where I work, lots of daylight stabbings/machete attacks and the odd shooting, most of the offenders aged under 30.
When I'm at court with work, the larger drug OCGs are older, with key figures living very nice lifestyles in Manchester penthouse apartments - they don't want anything drawing attention to that. They tended to use older couriers and distributors, often middle aged taxi drivers.
Saw a great case with 8/9 defendants early July - some of the OCG were literal pensioners, including one with visual impairment. OCG got caught by one of the gang calling a taxi outside a budget supermarket, then leaving a bag for life full of gear in the taxi. He then rang the taxi company to see if they'd found his bag, but the (legit) cab company had already called the Old Bill.
Today is the somethingth anniversary of the 1966 World Cup Final between West Ham and West Germany.
I watched it recently. Sadly with the ITV rather than the Wolstenholme commentary.
It remains a wonderful spectacle, but man, were they slow. In no parallel universe was Nobby Styles ever an athlete.
England played all their games at Wembley which was a real disadvantage as its pitch was very tiring. As for athleticism, look at the 1970 squad singing Back Home, and count the chins! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-EutNDgZQ
ETA that reminds me that of course Gordon Banks' tummy bug led to Labour's defeat at the general election, but also that in 1976 Brendan Foster's almost certain gold medal was lost to a similar illness. These were before the days of careful food preparation and a gastroenterologist on call.
Not read the comments as been busy at work so apologies if this point has already been made.
But not sure why TSE thinks this polling should trigger Brexiteers. Given that almost half of the voters were against Brexit at the time and that we know how much they like to blame the vote for any perceived wrong that has happened to the country since, I am pretty amazed that less than a third of respondents think it is the cause of our current malaise.
Sad to say TSE, the poll does not live up to your hype.
Moreover, given that the greatest advocate for Brexit of the last 30 years is currently in charge of the party that is why ahead in the polls it seems your last paragraph is also so much wishful thinking.
Personally I'd say our decision to go to war with France and Russia against Germany in 1914 was where it all started to go wrong.
It killed almost a million men over some inconsequential tracts of Flanders, beggared the Empire, strengthened the United States, led to the Russian Revolution and Labour Governments and eventually to the Second World War.
Honourable mentions to Lloyd George's 1909 Budget that set us on the disastrous road to the current welfare junkie tax and spend doom loop, and the Attlee government that pushed us further in that direction and passed the current disastrous planning system.
Today is the somethingth anniversary of the 1966 World Cup Final between West Ham and West Germany.
I watched it recently. Sadly with the ITV rather than the Wolstenholme commentary.
It remains a wonderful spectacle, but man, were they slow. In no parallel universe was Nobby Styles ever an athlete.
England played all their games at Wembley which was a real disadvantage as its pitch was very tiring. As for athleticism, look at the 1970 squad singing Back Home, and count the chins! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-EutNDgZQ
ETA that reminds me that of course Gordon Banks' tummy bug led to Labour's defeat at the general election, but also that in 1976 Brendan Foster's almost certain gold medal was lost to a similar illness. These were before the days of careful food preparation and a gastroenterologist on call.
Fosters Bronze was our only track and field medal in 1976. We had to get a sickly Tynesider to shit out a participation certificate or we'd have been empty handed
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Ha, Blighty autocorrected to Blight, appropriate on several levels.
Two of the nation’s most iconic institutions are reuniting ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2025/met-office-bbc-public-weather-service
Tory MP for Morecambe from 1979 to 1997.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2025/07/30/mark-lennox-boyd-conservative-morecambe-chips-channon
So in those crucial few years there was nobody with the power to look at the aggregate figures & go “hang on a moment, is this right?”
Obviously nothing in the UK could have prevented the issues that swept the US banking industry, but we hugely exposed ourselves to the risk of the credit markets drying up without anyone in power even noticing that it had happened.
Interesting how things are named though. I think the GFC would have done far better with Tory and Ref voters if it had been labelled 'Gordon Brown's financial crash' or even 'the financial crash under Gordon Brown's labour government'.
The GFC was also a big part of the start of politicians being very untruthful with the public about the tradeoffs in what we can afford or the taxes we need to pay. Labour as there were immediate confidence problems to deal with and an election coming and Conservatives as they needed a narrative that they were fixing things.
For understandable reasons, landings were prioritised for a few minutes when there was a “system glitch”.
It’s not Aeroflot-level disruption, everyone should be moving shortly.
https://x.com/nats/status/1950579705100275729
That's why he's King of The North.
(CPS have said they're going for a retrial on the second assault change, according to local media)
Unsurprisingly there’s a lot of rules about this, and pilots are required to declare a “Mayday” emergency if they will land with less than 30 minutes’ duration fuel left, which will clear the skies around them for a priority landing (and a fair amount of paperwork afterwards!).
There’s a lot of airports within flying distance of the disruption, and no risk whatsoever to passengers.
Imagine how he feels...
Good news if this means Met Office back in the beeb weather app - I preferred its layout etc, but the met office forecasts are, or at least were, when I switched, better.
They refuse to acknowedge there was a a problem that the majority thought could ONLY be solved by Brexit. "Everything was fucking fine...until Brexit" is so patently absurd.
I'd personally start from the UK's post-war flirtation with socialism - and nationalisation. Labour implementing a business model that invariably led to leaving office with fewer jobs than they inherited. Taxing the rich "until the pips squeak". And the indignity of the IMF telling us what we coud and couldn't do.
Brexit is but a rounding error against the woes of socialism. And at least has benefits.
https://x.com/rohanpaul_ai/status/1950422239448289469
Looks like I better retrain as a "pile driver operator"...if for no other reason than the LOLs of the job title.
Apparently political scientists are a bit f##ked.
The UK, of course, also failed in this respect.
Part of that, though, is arguably down to Brown's reckless spending leading to a loss of faith in government capital investment. And then everyone spending the next decade arguing about Brexit, rather than anything productive.
https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1950316849323004174
Thatcher. Of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ72AmkkT1M&list=TLPQMzAwNzIwMjXJztaIufCafg&index=2&ab_channel=JasonJaySmart
If China ever wanted to take everything east of the Urals, now might be its moment.
Frantic war-gaming going on in Beijing. And probably not with Napoleonic soldiers at Waterloo...
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2025/07/30/asylum-seekers-left-homeless-are-not-in-state-of-degradation-appeal-court-rules
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1950582701611737534
https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1950586621683794050
She took lessons from Jimmy the Giant.
Over the last few months we have begun to see glimpses of our AI systems improving themselves. The improvement is slow for now, but undeniable. Developing superintelligence is now in sight.
https://www.meta.com/superintelligence/
Sounds very much like an agreement to form an agreement...
BBC News understands it is not a commercial relationship involving procurement, but an agreement between the two organisations in the interests of public service..The BBC's weather forecasts will continue to come from DTN for the time being...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crm4z8mple3o
The settlements include a payout to Labour’s former elections chief Patrick Heneghan, who was falsely accused in the dossier of having tried to sabotage Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of winning the 2017 general election.
It is understood the payouts will total just under £1m, but with Labour paying both sides’ legal fees the cost to the party will be near to £2m. This puts the total legal costs for Labour connected to the dossier at more than £4m, with court documents released last year showing the party spent £2.4m on its own eventually abandoned lawsuit pursuing five separate staffers it accused of being behind the leak.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/30/labour-settles-claims-leaked-antisemitism-dossier
Firstly, before they issue a Mayday call the pilots will issue a PAN call which will be the first warning to the ATC getting them to prioritise them. a Mayday is essentially an emergency 'we must land now' call.
Secondly, before take-off the plane must be fuelled to their destination plus extra to get them to an alternative with enough to spare to wait in the queue.
However, pilots coming from the East into the UK might have nominated Heathrow as their destination and Manchester as their ‘alternate’. So if the whole of the London Radar area is difficult closed, they’ll look to hold in position when the closure is announced, and then divert somewhere in Europe if not.
From the West, I suspect Shannon and Prestwick might have a few diversions too.
Commercial pilots are used to this sort of disruption though, and also have communications with their base that will recommend diversion airfields based on things like availability of handling staff and hotels. For example, a BA 777 from Dubai to LHR will end up in Amsterdam, Paris, Frankfurt, places where BA already has loads of staff, and the airport and city have no problem handling a 777 and 300 people.
Only for an in-flight emergency (engine failure, medical emergency etc) will they land a plane somehwere without logistical support.
Didn't take long.
Hamas must give up control of Gaza but as it's obvious they won't, then the gesture is shown to be even more futile.
What will his left-leaning MPs make of it all I wonder.
Mamdani leads among Jewish voters, though there are clear dividing lines by age and denomination.
Mamdani wins majority support among reform/non-denominational/secular/non-practicing Jews & Jews under age 45.
Cuomo wins a plurality of conservative/orthodox Jews and Jews age 45+
https://x.com/admcrlsn/status/1950265203276599698
Quite an eye opener as to what some communities are living with and it touches on not only the Albanians but the Somali gangs now running drugs. Hellbanianz was one such group.
One has to admire the entrepreneurial skills these people have and they know if they’re caught they won’t be deported.
The road men are the mugs who take the fall for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwPbPULXOg8
Thatcher's revolution (as wiser comments have acknowledged) was itself a reaction to the stagnation and decline caused by the post-war consensus around state socialism. And the post-war consensus itself retained its hold because of World War 2. World War 2 really did for us.
Their awkward tenant eviction service is, reputedly, rather good too. 😱
Some of the PB faithful still contend that Johnson got all the big calls right.
I'll go with the start of the Brexit campaign.
It remains a wonderful spectacle, but man, were they slow. In no parallel universe was Nobby Styles ever an athlete.
There has been an ongoing turf war around street dealing close to where I work, lots of daylight stabbings/machete attacks and the odd shooting, most of the offenders aged under 30.
When I'm at court with work, the larger drug OCGs are older, with key figures living very nice lifestyles in Manchester penthouse apartments - they don't want anything drawing attention to that. They tended to use older couriers and distributors, often middle aged taxi drivers.
Saw a great case with 8/9 defendants early July - some of the OCG were literal pensioners, including one with visual impairment. OCG got caught by one of the gang calling a taxi outside a budget supermarket, then leaving a bag for life full of gear in the taxi. He then rang the taxi company to see if they'd found his bag, but the (legit) cab company had already called the Old Bill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-EutNDgZQ
ETA that reminds me that of course Gordon Banks' tummy bug led to Labour's defeat at the general election, but also that in 1976 Brendan Foster's almost certain gold medal was lost to a similar illness. These were before the days of careful food preparation and a gastroenterologist on call.
But not sure why TSE thinks this polling should trigger Brexiteers. Given that almost half of the voters were against Brexit at the time and that we know how much they like to blame the vote for any perceived wrong that has happened to the country since, I am pretty amazed that less than a third of respondents think it is the cause of our current malaise.
Sad to say TSE, the poll does not live up to your hype.
Moreover, given that the greatest advocate for Brexit of the last 30 years is currently in charge of the party that is why ahead in the polls it seems your last paragraph is also so much wishful thinking.
The FA cup in 64
The Cup Winners Cup in 65
And the World Cup in 66.
Pinnacle
It killed almost a million men over some inconsequential tracts of Flanders, beggared the Empire, strengthened the United States, led to the Russian Revolution and Labour Governments and eventually to the Second World War.
Honourable mentions to Lloyd George's 1909 Budget that set us on the disastrous road to the current welfare junkie tax and spend doom loop, and the Attlee government that pushed us further in that direction and passed the current disastrous planning system.