I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast
It's actually very good. One of the few films where I've saw the trailer at the time and not been disappointed by what I ultimately saw. Though not so cheery.
The book's good too, but is a little different.
One of my favourite films of all time. Very prescient. @Leon if it's not too late, watch for the one super long camera shot in the last 20 mins or so (complete with blood spattered lens) - spectacular cinematography.
The book I found very disappointing, but only I think because I was expecting the same story as the film.
I saw it at the 'big screen' multiplex when it came out - full on HD Dolby THX1138 (yes) sound.
Boy, did it rip my soul out. Those final 20 minutes with that sound set-up just added to it. Pretty much physically feeling each gunshot and tank blast.
Our ideas of cheerful and uplifting clearly differ.
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast
It's actually very good. One of the few films where I've saw the trailer at the time and not been disappointed by what I ultimately saw. Though not so cheery.
The book's good too, but is a little different.
A couple of friends “in the media” told me to watch it for its scarily prescient portrayal of London in total societal decline - the grot, graffiti, the exciting cultural diversity, the garbage - and the way it looks like london now
They’re not wrong. Christ
I think your friends should have been more protective, it’s a great film but perhaps not for those susceptible to febrile pessimism.
A group of far-right Israeli politicians and settlers met in parliament this week to discuss a plan to displace Palestinians from Gaza, annex the territory and turn it into a hi-tech, luxury resort city for Israelis.
The scheme, titled “The master plan for settlement in the Gaza Strip”, envisions the construction of 850,000 housing units, construction of hi-tech “smart cities” that trade cryptocurrency, and a metro system that runs across the territory. It took its inspiration from an idea shared by the US president, Donald Trump, in February, when he pledged to turn Gaza into the “riviera of the Middle East”.
The text of the plan, which boasts of the economic benefits to Israel, said: “The right of the people of Israel to settle, develop and preserve this land is not just a historical right – it is a national and security obligation.”
Everyone agrees that people who are busy making money are usually too busy to make trouble.
I think we would also all agree a comprehensive regeneration of Gaza would be a huge help in bringing peace to the region but who pays and on whose terms? I've always thought the Arab oil states should pay - the Saudis, Kuwaits, Bahranis and Omanis also have huge amounts of cash which they could pour into Gaza and create something wonderful and new for the locals.
Investment can get you a long way but it has to be done properly. The kind of "riviera" to which Trump aspires leaves nothing for the people of Gaza but it would be so easy to work with the locals (sidestepping Hamas for whom prosperity is an existential threat) and produce a land which really could be something special.
Beyond areas where Corbynite Independents already do well, I can't see the new party getting that much traction with FPTP.
If we had PR like Germany they might gain more traction and seats as Linke have. In France Melenchon's party effectively has formed a combined block with the Socialist Party under their second ballot system
If it takes a thousand votes from Labour in every Labour constituency it returns right wing MPs and a right wing government.
Mission accomplished.
Fortunately for Labour the right is also divided between the Tories and Reform, with mo major party polling consistently even over 30%
Reform seem to have pulled away from the Tories which puts them very much in the driving seat . Corbyn will merely adjust the driving seat to make it even more comfortable for them.
The man is an enigma. A self proclaimed champion of the underdog who inadvertently keeps the underdog on his knees.
For now, if Kemi's new axe spending and leave the ECHR policies don't win back Tory voters from Reform she will likely be replaced by Jenrick or Stride who might start to do so
So Kemi, who defended keeping the WFA for wealthy pensioners, and the IHT tax relief for wealthy farmers, wants to hack spending? I am not convinced.
Cutting back public spending enables government to keep IHT tax relief for family farms
Lol
It is no laughing matter for some farmers who have even considered suicide to ensure their generations old family farm stays in their family and feeding the nation
Surely if they commit suicide inheritance tax is due.
They need to give it away then live 7 years.
Not if they do it before the inheritance tax change comes in next year, as some now have
Strange. This poll Baxters to Reform 436 seats; Labour 78 seats.
William Hill's current odds for most seats at next GE: Reform 5/4; Labour 13/10.
Mirage? Betting opportunity?
A change in Tory leadership will change quite a lot probably.
‘Probably’ is doing quite a lot of work there.
If the Conservatives were to replace Badenoch with Jenrick, they'd have a chance. He's hard working, understands social media, and has a good eye for what'll get traction.
If I were Reform, he would be the person I would fear.
Kemi is an invisible nonentity currently overseeing the destruction of the Conservative Party.
If she is serious about being a British Milei, is she going to freeze UK pensions despite inflation?
Doesn't Milei want Britain to hand over the Malvin... er, I mean Falklands?
No. Unusually for an Argentinian leader, he's been content with the current situation. IIRC!
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
The crankies don't give a fuck about Green issues. The only environment they care about is in Gaza.
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
Nearly three thefts a minute are being reported by shops amid a growing shoplifting epidemic, official figures show.
Shoplifting hit a record high of 530,643 offences reported to police in the year to March, a 20 per cent increase on the previous year’s total of 444,022.
The rate of shoplifting is nearly double the rate two decades ago, according to the figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS)
This isn't a problem according to many on the left.
Self-service doesn't help the situation, of course. Especially when the till is sited right at the back of the shop.
Yet in Norway, when the road you are driving along comes to a fjord, so you drive on the ferry and go upstairs for a snack during the twenty minute crossing, they don't bother to staff their shipboard canteens any more. They just put all the cakes and sandwiches out, have a coffee machine at the end, and you go to the self checkout and tell the machine what you have taken, and pay.
I think this is a really pertinent anecdote that needs more analysis. Social norms and trust are really strong in Norway. Why is that not the case in the UK in some/many contexts?
In my view this is one of the central questions governments (or the think tanks behind them) ought to be asking.
All possible answers should be on the table, from the cultural impacts of large - scale immigration through to the alienating effects of modern capitalism.
Perhaps the answers to this could form the manifesto of Your Party?
Norway has a greater portion of foreign born residents than the UK, of course. They're at 17% vs 16% in the UK. And in Norway, a staggering 6% of the population are refugees, against under 1% in the UK.
What they have done massively better than in the UK is integration of those from different cultures. They've worked incredibly hard to avoid ghettos, and to make sure that those that come have the skills to pay for themselves.
The contrast with next door Sweden, which is a total disaster zone, could not be more stark.
Nearly three thefts a minute are being reported by shops amid a growing shoplifting epidemic, official figures show.
Shoplifting hit a record high of 530,643 offences reported to police in the year to March, a 20 per cent increase on the previous year’s total of 444,022.
The rate of shoplifting is nearly double the rate two decades ago, according to the figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS)
This isn't a problem according to many on the left.
Self-service doesn't help the situation, of course. Especially when the till is sited right at the back of the shop.
Yet in Norway, when the road you are driving along comes to a fjord, so you drive on the ferry and go upstairs for a snack during the twenty minute crossing, they don't bother to staff their shipboard canteens any more. They just put all the cakes and sandwiches out, have a coffee machine at the end, and you go to the self checkout and tell the machine what you have taken, and pay.
I think this is a really pertinent anecdote that needs more analysis. Social norms and trust are really strong in Norway. Why is that not the case in the UK in some/many contexts?
In my view this is one of the central questions governments (or the think tanks behind them) ought to be asking.
All possible answers should be on the table, from the cultural impacts of large - scale immigration through to the alienating effects of modern capitalism.
Perhaps the answers to this could form the manifesto of Your Party?
Norway has a greater portion of foreign born residents than the UK, of course. They're at 17% vs 16% in the UK. And in Norway, a staggering 6% of the population are refugees, against under 1% in the UK.
What they have done massively better than in the UK is integration of those from different cultures. They've worked incredibly hard to avoid ghettos, and to make sure that those that come have the skills to pay for themselves.
The contrast with next door Sweden, which is a total disaster zone, could not be more stark.
The recent Scandinavia series with Simon Reeve highlighted this problem in Sweden very well. Worth watching all 3 episodes on iplayer
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast
Written by the same person who wrote endless twee middle class murder mysteries/love triangles/Detective stories which were an ITV staple all through the nineties, for goodness sake !
Is Turnberry Golf Course covered by Right to Roam?
Not this week. The A road past the hotel and golf course is already closed.
Yep, drove past Turnberry tonight, a heavy police presence in place, every last corner along the A77 fenced off. Could be a great time for the Jackass guys to bring back the golf course airhorn
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
They did it to try to make it easy to combine Green-Corbynista voting blocs?
A group of far-right Israeli politicians and settlers met in parliament this week to discuss a plan to displace Palestinians from Gaza, annex the territory and turn it into a hi-tech, luxury resort city for Israelis.
The scheme, titled “The master plan for settlement in the Gaza Strip”, envisions the construction of 850,000 housing units, construction of hi-tech “smart cities” that trade cryptocurrency, and a metro system that runs across the territory. It took its inspiration from an idea shared by the US president, Donald Trump, in February, when he pledged to turn Gaza into the “riviera of the Middle East”.
The text of the plan, which boasts of the economic benefits to Israel, said: “The right of the people of Israel to settle, develop and preserve this land is not just a historical right – it is a national and security obligation.”
Everyone agrees that people who are busy making money are usually too busy to make trouble.
I think we would also all agree a comprehensive regeneration of Gaza would be a huge help in bringing peace to the region but who pays and on whose terms? I've always thought the Arab oil states should pay - the Saudis, Kuwaits, Bahranis and Omanis also have huge amounts of cash which they could pour into Gaza and create something wonderful and new for the locals.
Investment can get you a long way but it has to be done properly. The kind of "riviera" to which Trump aspires leaves nothing for the people of Gaza but it would be so easy to work with the locals (sidestepping Hamas for whom prosperity is an existential threat) and produce a land which really could be something special.
This isn't a "comprehensive regeneration" of Gaza. It is the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. The Arab states aren't going to pay for it!
Beyond areas where Corbynite Independents already do well, I can't see the new party getting that much traction with FPTP.
If we had PR like Germany they might gain more traction and seats as Linke have. In France Melenchon's party effectively has formed a combined block with the Socialist Party under their second ballot system
If it takes a thousand votes from Labour in every Labour constituency it returns right wing MPs and a right wing government.
Mission accomplished.
Fortunately for Labour the right is also divided between the Tories and Reform, with mo major party polling consistently even over 30%
Reform seem to have pulled away from the Tories which puts them very much in the driving seat . Corbyn will merely adjust the driving seat to make it even more comfortable for them.
The man is an enigma. A self proclaimed champion of the underdog who inadvertently keeps the underdog on his knees.
For now, if Kemi's new axe spending and leave the ECHR policies don't win back Tory voters from Reform she will likely be replaced by Jenrick or Stride who might start to do so
So Kemi, who defended keeping the WFA for wealthy pensioners, and the IHT tax relief for wealthy farmers, wants to hack spending? I am not convinced.
Cutting back public spending enables government to keep IHT tax relief for family farms
Lol
It is no laughing matter for some farmers who have even considered suicide to ensure their generations old family farm stays in their family and feeding the nation
Surely if they commit suicide inheritance tax is due.
They need to give it away then live 7 years.
I think HYUFD is referring to the law being implemented from 6 April 2026, only after that date does the new law come into force. So someone terminally ill who dies before that date would not fall foul of the new law if they controlled all the assets (as I understand it)
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
The crankies don't give a fuck about Green issues. The only environment they care about is in Gaza.
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
It makes zero sense to have both Polanski's vision for the Green Party and the party that will be called something other than Your Party. They both say they want to work with each other; Polanski praises Corbyn, but says he wants Corbyn in the Green Party. They would have pretty identical policies. So, what happens?
Is Turnberry Golf Course covered by Right to Roam?
Not this week. The A road past the hotel and golf course is already closed.
Yep, drove past Turnberry tonight, a heavy police presence in place, every last corner along the A77 fenced off. Could be a great time for the Jackass guys to bring back the golf course airhorn
That’s some funny stuff on YouTube. Those golfers get mad.
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
The crankies don't give a fuck about Green issues. The only environment they care about is in Gaza.
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
It makes zero sense to have both Polanski's vision for the Green Party and the party that will be called something other than Your Party. They both say they want to work with each other; Polanski praises Corbyn, but says he wants Corbyn in the Green Party. They would have pretty identical policies. So, what happens?
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
I think the thickies who can't tell the difference between a Parliamentry group and a new Party whose name will be decided democratically at the Conference should probably be quite.
Strange. This poll Baxters to Reform 436 seats; Labour 78 seats.
William Hill's current odds for most seats at next GE: Reform 5/4; Labour 13/10.
Mirage? Betting opportunity?
A change in Tory leadership will change quite a lot probably.
‘Probably’ is doing quite a lot of work there.
If the Conservatives were to replace Badenoch with Jenrick, they'd have a chance. He's hard working, understands social media, and has a good eye for what'll get traction.
If I were Reform, he would be the person I would fear.
Kemi is an invisible nonentity currently overseeing the destruction of the Conservative Party.
If she is serious about being a British Milei, is she going to freeze UK pensions despite inflation?
She has said she would means test the triple lock
That sounds immensely stupid.
Unless she means the government ? By any test, it doesn't have the means to maintain the triple lock.
I think the thickies who can't tell the difference between a Parliamentry group and a new Party whose name will be decided democratically at the Conference should probably be quite.
France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...
"Crankies"
Yes love, cranikes
Now are you going to stay in the Greens and thus be a Class Traitor to the cause, or are you going to join the YourPartyIndependentGroupForChange and follow Jezbollah?
Is Turnberry Golf Course covered by Right to Roam?
Not this week. The A road past the hotel and golf course is already closed.
Yep, drove past Turnberry tonight, a heavy police presence in place, every last corner along the A77 fenced off. Could be a great time for the Jackass guys to bring back the golf course airhorn
That’s some funny stuff on YouTube. Those golfers get mad.
"The least thing upset him on the links. He missed short putts because of the uproar of the butterflies in the adjoining meadows."
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
The crankies don't give a fuck about Green issues. The only environment they care about is in Gaza.
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
It makes zero sense to have both Polanski's vision for the Green Party and the party that will be called something other than Your Party. They both say they want to work with each other; Polanski praises Corbyn, but says he wants Corbyn in the Green Party. They would have pretty identical policies. So, what happens?
Hopefully there aren't enough entryists to stop Green grassroots voting for leaders who won them four seats.
France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...
"Crankies"
Yes love, cranikes
Now are you going to stay in the Greens and thus be a Class Traitor to the cause, or are you going to join the YourPartyIndependentGroupForChange and follow Jezbollah?
France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...
"Crankies"
Yes love, cranikes
Now are you going to stay in the Greens and thus be a Class Traitor to the cause, or are you going to join the YourPartyIndependentGroupForChange and follow Jezbollah?
France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...
Won’t make a blind bit of difference to Israel.
The only thing that will make a difference would be America pulling the plug, and that isn't as unthinkable as it was in the past. It could just be an election away. No one other than America has any influence.
France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...
"Crankies"
Support for Palestinian statehood recognition is not restricted solely to crankies, even if it is especially popular within that group. Like many political subgroups, left and right, it can be difficult to precisely define which combination of views and policies are essential, even as the bare bones are more generally understood.
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
The crankies don't give a fuck about Green issues. The only environment they care about is in Gaza.
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
It makes zero sense to have both Polanski's vision for the Green Party and the party that will be called something other than Your Party. They both say they want to work with each other; Polanski praises Corbyn, but says he wants Corbyn in the Green Party. They would have pretty identical policies. So, what happens?
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
The crankies don't give a fuck about Green issues. The only environment they care about is in Gaza.
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
It makes zero sense to have both Polanski's vision for the Green Party and the party that will be called something other than Your Party. They both say they want to work with each other; Polanski praises Corbyn, but says he wants Corbyn in the Green Party. They would have pretty identical policies. So, what happens?
Hopefully there aren't enough entryists to stop Green grassroots voting for leaders who won them four seats.
I've not seen any betting odds on who will win the leadership election. Early on, there seems to have been a presumption that Ramsay/Chowns would, but Polanski has clearly generated a lot of excitement... but whether that's real excitement or social media excitement, I don't know.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Nonetheless, it will be easier for them to defend their seats against Labour if there are no other "left" candidates such as from the Workers' Party, TUSC etc.
France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...
"Crankies"
Yes love, cranikes
Now are you going to stay in the Greens and thus be a Class Traitor to the cause, or are you going to join the YourPartyIndependentGroupForChange and follow Jezbollah?
Have you lost the ability to read as well now?
Is that a yes or a no/
I have told the whole site that.
It's incredible that a man with the comprehension reading skills poor enough for a GCSE grade F can't find it, yet meets the criteria to be a Parliamentary Candidate.
Perhaps distracted by the urgent need to post his usual name calling drivel
I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast
Written by the same person who wrote endless twee middle class murder mysteries/love triangles/Detective stories which were an ITV staple all through the nineties, for goodness sake !
I wouldn´t call P D James "twee", though her early books did get a bit formulaic at times. The books are, I think, better than the telly.
There is a run of her novels, starting with a Shroud for a Nightingale that put her in the front rank of detective fiction.
A Quebec fisherman who was fishing 15 kilometers north of the US border was essentially kidnapped by US Border Patrol, who capsized his boat and dragged him to an American prison cell.
In any normal time this'd be quite the international incident, y'know?
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Nonetheless, it will be easier for them to defend their seats against Labour if there are no other "left" candidates such as from the Workers' Party, TUSC etc.
In the ongoing tussle of rival hard left parties, it looks for now that the only games in town are the party known temporarily as Your Party or the Greens. TUSC, Workers Party (it officially does not have an apostrophe), etc. just don't have comparable traction.
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Nonetheless, it will be easier for them to defend their seats against Labour if there are no other "left" candidates such as from the Workers' Party, TUSC etc.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Top target is going to be Streeting. 100%.
I think he's ruled out a chicken run, but he may want to reconsider.
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
The reason why Corbyn got votes was Teresa May shat the bed by announcing her death tax care policy in a way that Corbyn could weaponise it and he did.
That probably got Corbyn 10+ seats and cost May the majority she would otherwise have had.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Nonetheless, it will be easier for them to defend their seats against Labour if there are no other "left" candidates such as from the Workers' Party, TUSC etc.
Lab won't be gaining any seats in GE 2029.
They will be losing loads though
The interesting market would be the over / under on LAB+CON.
I think the thickies who can't tell the difference between a Parliamentry group and a new Party whose name will be decided democratically at the Conference should probably be quite.
I may be a thickie but I can spell ‘quiet’
😘
But can you count vote share increases? Politics is famously incredibly simple and that is the only determiner of success or failure, and nothing else matters.
If they can avoid splits I do think the to be named party could be pretty successful, depending what their aims are. It's taken the Greens decades to get to where they are, and Reform have a pedigree going back a long way as well, but in the right moment and right atmosphere they may not need to be as patient.
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
The reason why Corbyn got votes was Teresa May shat the bed by announcing her death tax care policy in a way that Corbyn could weaponise it and he did.
That probably got Corbyn 10+ seats and cost May the majority she would otherwise have had.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Top target is going to be Streeting. 100%.
I think he's ruled out a chicken run, but he may want to reconsider.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
I'll be looking to see if either the two Newham Independents or the three other Independents decide to formally join the new party and whether the non-Labour parties on the "left" can agree a single slate of candidates for next year's local elections as well as a single Mayoral candidate.
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
It feels like those who have already won as Independents, which is very difficult in the first place, presumably without the wider aspirations Corbyn will have had, may not feel as much pull to join formally.
Nonetheless, it will be easier for them to defend their seats against Labour if there are no other "left" candidates such as from the Workers' Party, TUSC etc.
Lab won't be gaining any seats in GE 2029.
They will be losing loads though
The interesting market would be the over / under on LAB+CON.
In an ever more multi-party context, I think there's an argument that 2024-elected minority party/independents are well placed to hold their seats against fragmented opposition. I think that's true for the Independent Alliance MPs, the Green MPs, maybe the LibDems and Plaid.
Corbyn's new Party must put ex Momentum members in a dilemma, do they leave the Greens and link up with Corbyn or do they back Polanski and push The Greens further Leftwards?
JC was great at getting the vote out for Labour, the trouble was he energised the Tory vote even more.
Surely they need to follow Jezbollah into whatever this new party is called.
My money is on The Independent Group for Change.
Peoples' Front of Judea.
What is so odd about all this is that it seems there have been discussions across the wider hard left movement for months and months about a new Corbyn vehicle and yet loads of them have thrown their lot in on a project of entrism into the Greens, some having made their decision only weeks ago e.g. Grace Berkeley.
Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
The crankies don't give a fuck about Green issues. The only environment they care about is in Gaza.
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
It makes zero sense to have both Polanski's vision for the Green Party and the party that will be called something other than Your Party. They both say they want to work with each other; Polanski praises Corbyn, but says he wants Corbyn in the Green Party. They would have pretty identical policies. So, what happens?
Hopefully there aren't enough entryists to stop Green grassroots voting for leaders who won them four seats.
I've not seen any betting odds on who will win the leadership election. Early on, there seems to have been a presumption that Ramsay/Chowns would, but Polanski has clearly generated a lot of excitement... but whether that's real excitement or social media excitement, I don't know.
Polanski's crowd claim thousands of people have joined recently to vote for him.
Evening all. Just want to report a really, really good day at the cricket. I'd say - after day 2 vs Australia, 2005, Old Trafford - it's tbe second best day I've ever seen. I've seen days with 15+ wickets, I've seen centuries and double centuries, I've seen landmarks reached and games and series concluded, I've seen improbable wags of the tail - but I've rarely seen a game in which every single over was engrossing in the same way. For me, there really is no more entertaining sport. Highlight of the day - despite all Duckworth amd Crawley's flair, despite Archer's thunder and grace, despite Stokes's heroics in Making Things Happen AGAIN - was seeing Rishbah Pant batting stoically with one foot. Amazing and awe inspiring and painful but joyous to watch. What a hero.
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.
IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.
I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast
Written by the same person who wrote endless twee middle class murder mysteries/love triangles/Detective stories which were an ITV staple all through the nineties, for goodness sake !
I wouldn´t call P D James "twee", though her early books did get a bit formulaic at times. The books are, I think, better than the telly.
There is a run of her novels, starting with a Shroud for a Nightingale that put her in the front rank of detective fiction.
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
TMay got more VOTES and SEATS than Jezza!
I remember being quite frustrated with Caroline Lucas, I think after the 2015 election, talking mere days afterwards about how the will of the people was against the Tories.
Now, being charitable I assume she takes issue with the lack of a proportional voting system, and I do too for that matter (though may disagree on some details), but even if one hates our voting system and think governments lacked majority support, it is surely the case that we have to admit that the Tories were the most popular political party in the country (UK wide at least) from at least 2010 until about 2022-23. I feel like that gets weirdly overlooked.
Remarkably Theresa May and the Tories were leading in the polls in the first quarter of 2019 even though the Prime Minister was repeatedly unable to pass her biggest policy and was essentially incapable of governing! It wasn't until the second quarter that both Labour and Tories dropped hard and Boris revived things in the Summer.
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.
IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.
For all his faults he is one of a handful of modern British politicians that know how to campaign and speak in public. Farage and Johnson can, but I can't think of another Labour MP with the same skills. All three are pretty hopeless at anything else of course.
So, I agree that we shouldn't underestimate Jezza, even at 80 next election.
If they can avoid splits I do think the to be named party could be pretty successful, depending what their aims are. It's taken the Greens decades to get to where they are, and Reform have a pedigree going back a long way as well, but in the right moment and right atmosphere they may not need to be as patient.
They have one fundamental and, I think, insuperable problem
They are as it stands a fusion of radical Islam and hard or far left Marxism. These things are ultimately in profound opposition - the fact they both loathe Jewish western Anglo American capitalism will see them through a few years - but in the end they must explode when combined. Over things like homosexual rights, feminism
This indeed is true of the entire Islamic/left nexus across the west. It’s just a matter of how long they can sustain the contradiction
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.
IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.
For all his faults he is one of a handful of modern British politicians that know how to campaign and speak in public. Farage and Johnson can, but I can't think of another Labour MP with the same skills. All three are pretty hopeless at anything else of course.
So, I agree that we shouldn't underestimate Jezza, even at 80 next election.
The odd thing is, he only became the candidate of the far left because all the other more plausible, articulate, appealing candidates had already had their turn. Back on 2015, he seemed a less obvious candidate than any of the Campaign Group's five previous goes. I would argue his success was largely a symptom of the failure of Labour'a right and soft left to present a convincing candidate.
I am sticking with Greens to vote for Zak Polanski for now
Corbyn got 12,877,000 votes at GE 2017
Votes for 16 and 17 year olds will also be natural ground for him.
Plenty of time to decide which of the 2 left of centre parties to support for me.
Red Tories are finished when the purples and blues split the Tory vote
So you are part of the group trying to take over the Green Party and will leave if the attempt fails?
I joined in 2021 because I align with most of its policies.
I currently am expecting to stay as I am now enjoying the local meetings but if Ramsey won, wanted to group hug with the Neo Liberals AND the new parties policies were even better than the Greens I could change my mind before 2029.
France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...
"Crankies"
Yes love, cranikes
Now are you going to stay in the Greens and thus be a Class Traitor to the cause, or are you going to join the YourPartyIndependentGroupForChange and follow Jezbollah?
Have you lost the ability to read as well now?
Is that a yes or a no/
I have told the whole site that.
It's incredible that a man with the comprehension reading skills poor enough for a GCSE grade F can't find it, yet meets the criteria to be a Parliamentary Candidate.
Perhaps distracted by the urgent need to post his usual name calling drivel
I haven't read the whole site. And nor was I posting about you. And yet here you are, thinking I was. I thought you'd left. Name calling? Of Corbyn, yes. Of you? Please.
If they can avoid splits I do think the to be named party could be pretty successful, depending what their aims are. It's taken the Greens decades to get to where they are, and Reform have a pedigree going back a long way as well, but in the right moment and right atmosphere they may not need to be as patient.
They have one fundamental and, I think, insuperable problem
They are as it stands a fusion of radical Islam and hard or far left Marxism. These things are ultimately in profound opposition - the fact they both loathe Jewish western Anglo American capitalism will see them through a few years - but in the end they must explode when combined. Over things like homosexual rights, feminism
This indeed is true of the entire Islamic/left nexus across the west. It’s just a matter of how long they can sustain the contradiction
Agree. It am bewildered by the Hard Left brigade are so keen to absorb and/or work with hard Islam. I guess my enemy's enemy is a strong thing.
Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017
TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.
Well pointed out Sunil
I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.
IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.
For all his faults he is one of a handful of modern British politicians that know how to campaign and speak in public. Farage and Johnson can, but I can't think of another Labour MP with the same skills. All three are pretty hopeless at anything else of course.
So, I agree that we shouldn't underestimate Jezza, even at 80 next election.
The odd thing is, he only became the candidate of the far left because all the other more plausible, articulate, appealing candidates had already had their turn. Back on 2015, he seemed a less obvious candidate than any of the Campaign Group's five previous goes. I would argue his success was largely a symptom of the failure of Labour'a right and soft left to present a convincing candidate.
No it was entirely about all the other Candidates endorsing austerity in the campaign. I was voting Burnham until he fell into line with Cooper and L4%K support of austerity
Don't they know that you can be ill informed by far right Social Media from the comfort of a Primrose Hill flat, between nights out enjoying the balmy summer evenings of London's nightlife.
Lol, supported Brexit, then sods off to an EU country.
Farage is an utter snake, a stirrer up of trouble and an enthusiastic spreader of lies. If he ever gets his grubby hands on power God help us all.
Who was it that lied to the entire British people, for two years, about clandestinely smuggling in 29,000 unvetted Afghans? Maybe tens of thousands more?? And threatened to put people in jail for even mentioning this outrageous deception?
Oh yes. The British government. Tories AND Labour. And you think some minor inaccuracy by Nigel Farage about vans is the fucking scandal here?
You are delusional. The British state has lost all legitimacy because we now know they willingly and eagerly lie to us on the most important issues - like legal and illegal immigration on unprecedented scales
How many more superinjunctions are there? What else are they lying about?
I don’t believe a word any government minister says about anything, and the same goes for the police, judiciary, civil service. Fuck them all and sweep them all away
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Did they conclude nothing was ever going to come of these discussions and it was better to try and get Polanski leader of Greens and use that vehicle?
Curious.
I think we would also all agree a comprehensive regeneration of Gaza would be a huge help in bringing peace to the region but who pays and on whose terms? I've always thought the Arab oil states should pay - the Saudis, Kuwaits, Bahranis and Omanis also have huge amounts of cash which they could pour into Gaza and create something wonderful and new for the locals.
Investment can get you a long way but it has to be done properly. The kind of "riviera" to which Trump aspires leaves nothing for the people of Gaza but it would be so easy to work with the locals (sidestepping Hamas for whom prosperity is an existential threat) and produce a land which really could be something special.
Surprised they don't just whack each other with baseball bats and have done with it.
See the tweet:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1948476251468931411
@hemantmehta
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Powell’s doing more here to point out Trump’s lies in real time than nearly every reporter who interviews Trump.
https://x.com/hemantmehta/status/1948477125788663901
The challenge is that the Green party of England has persuaded itself that the crankie vote is their vote. It isn't. As their vote drops back to where it was they will fight amongst themselves. As usual.
About damn time, even if they added the comedy element of not even picking a name yet - what would be funniest is taking a vote on the new name, causing a split from those who lost.
@ianboudreau.com
If Trey Parker and Matt Stone successfully goad Trump into blowing up the Paramount/CBS deal it will be the funniest thing South Park has ever done
https://bsky.app/profile/ianboudreau.com/post/3luqderitnk2q
I am sticking with Greens to vote for Zak Polanski for now
Corbyn got 12,877,000 votes at GE 2017
Votes for 16 and 17 year olds will also be natural ground for him.
Plenty of time to decide which of the 2 left of centre parties to support for me.
Red Tories are finished when the purples and blues split the Tory vote
Trump's approval rating is now at 37% in a new Gallup poll — marking his lowest job approval rating since the start of his second term.
https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1948474899128824122?s=61
They even have a song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUlcfF5Dnvc
We are still also waiting for Newham Labour to decide who their candidate will be.
Unless she means the government ? By any test, it doesn't have the means to maintain the triple lock.
😘
Now are you going to stay in the Greens and thus be a Class Traitor to the cause, or are you going to join the YourPartyIndependentGroupForChange and follow Jezbollah?
An airhorn was overkill.
Well pointed out Sunil
It's incredible that a man with the comprehension reading skills poor enough for a GCSE grade F can't find it, yet meets the criteria to be a Parliamentary Candidate.
Perhaps distracted by the urgent need to post his usual name calling drivel
There is a run of her novels, starting with a Shroud for a Nightingale that put her in the front rank of detective fiction.
https://bsky.app/profile/matttomic.bsky.social/post/3luq5jxgjqs2j
A Quebec fisherman who was fishing 15 kilometers north of the US border was essentially kidnapped by US Border Patrol, who capsized his boat and dragged him to an American prison cell.
In any normal time this'd be quite the international incident, y'know?
Highly recommend it if you are a Marvel fan
https://x.com/lauraewebsterr/status/1948479072373190724?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.
Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.
His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?
And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?
The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
They will be losing loads though
That probably got Corbyn 10+ seats and cost May the majority she would otherwise have had.
Who knows whether this is true
Just want to report a really, really good day at the cricket. I'd say - after day 2 vs Australia, 2005, Old Trafford - it's tbe second best day I've ever seen. I've seen days with 15+ wickets, I've seen centuries and double centuries, I've seen landmarks reached and games and series concluded, I've seen improbable wags of the tail - but I've rarely seen a game in which every single over was engrossing in the same way. For me, there really is no more entertaining sport.
Highlight of the day - despite all Duckworth amd Crawley's flair, despite Archer's thunder and grace, despite Stokes's heroics in Making Things Happen AGAIN - was seeing Rishbah Pant batting stoically with one foot. Amazing and awe inspiring and painful but joyous to watch. What a hero.
IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.
Now, being charitable I assume she takes issue with the lack of a proportional voting system, and I do too for that matter (though may disagree on some details), but even if one hates our voting system and think governments lacked majority support, it is surely the case that we have to admit that the Tories were the most popular political party in the country (UK wide at least) from at least 2010 until about 2022-23. I feel like that gets weirdly overlooked.
Remarkably Theresa May and the Tories were leading in the polls in the first quarter of 2019 even though the Prime Minister was repeatedly unable to pass her biggest policy and was essentially incapable of governing! It wasn't until the second quarter that both Labour and Tories dropped hard and Boris revived things in the Summer.
So, I agree that we shouldn't underestimate Jezza, even at 80 next election.
They are as it stands a fusion of radical Islam and hard or far left Marxism. These things are ultimately in profound opposition - the fact they both loathe Jewish western Anglo American capitalism will see them through a few years - but in the end they must explode when combined. Over things like homosexual rights, feminism
This indeed is true of the entire Islamic/left nexus across the west. It’s just a matter of how long they can sustain the contradiction
Farage is an utter snake, a stirrer up of trouble and an enthusiastic spreader of lies. If he ever gets his grubby hands on power God help us all.
I currently am expecting to stay as I am now enjoying the local meetings but if Ramsey won, wanted to group hug with the Neo Liberals AND the new parties policies were even better than the Greens I could change my mind before 2029.
Sultana and Polanski look a lot younger than SKS and Austerity Reeves
It doesn't really matter what they call themselves. It's all about Him, and he is about 104 years old. Who replaces him? Sultana?
Oh yes. The British government. Tories AND Labour. And you think some minor inaccuracy by Nigel Farage about vans is the fucking scandal here?
You are delusional. The British state has lost all legitimacy because we now know they willingly and eagerly lie to us on the most important issues - like legal and illegal immigration on unprecedented scales
How many more superinjunctions are there? What else are they lying about?
I don’t believe a word any government minister says about anything, and the same goes for the police, judiciary, civil service. Fuck them all and sweep them all away