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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:



    Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017

    TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
    Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.

    Well pointed out Sunil
    I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.

    Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.

    Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.

    His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?

    And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?

    The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
    I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.

    IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.

    For all his faults he is one of a handful of modern British politicians that know how to campaign and speak in public. Farage and Johnson can, but I can't think of another Labour MP with the same skills. All three are pretty hopeless at anything else of course.

    So, I agree that we shouldn't underestimate Jezza, even at 80 next election.
    The odd thing is, he only became the candidate of the far left because all the other more plausible, articulate, appealing candidates had already had their turn. Back on 2015, he seemed a less obvious candidate than any of the Campaign Group's five previous goes. I would argue his success was largely a symptom of the failure of Labour'a right and soft left to present a convincing candidate.
    I think it was because he was the only candidate that was trying to be a change from Blairism and Brownism, both of which had been completely discredited.

    Corbynmania didn't start then though, indeed May was so convinced that he was unpopular that she called an early election expecting a 3 figure majority.

    Then Corbyn gave a short speech at a music festival at Tranmere Rovers ground. I think this one of the most consequential political speeches of recent decades despite its brevity and subject.

    https://youtu.be/uHDmskeGARk?si=T3A7kznG0zmqcCQy
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,965
    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    I think the thickies who can't tell the difference between a Parliamentry group and a new Party whose name will be decided democratically at the Conference should probably be quite.
    I may be a thickie but I can spell ‘quiet’

    😘
    Cwight
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291
    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This post combines all of @Leon 's favourite things

    @ciaranm.bsky.social‬

    Thought y’all needed to know that Grok has pencilled in civil war in Britain for a week on Tuesday

    https://bsky.app/profile/ciaranm.bsky.social/post/3luq72q3h4s2m

    Damm I have an important appointment that day @ 2:00 pm. Wonder if it could be delayed by a few hours.
    To be fair Grok works from the same sources that Shriver does, from her bolthole in Portugal.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luoyi4yr7s25

    Don't they know that you can be ill informed by far right Social Media from the comfort of a Primrose Hill flat, between nights out enjoying the balmy summer evenings of London's nightlife.
    Lol, supported Brexit, then sods off to an EU country.
    Not only that, can't speak the language and not yet got legal immigration status.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,884
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    If they can avoid splits I do think the to be named party could be pretty successful, depending what their aims are. It's taken the Greens decades to get to where they are, and Reform have a pedigree going back a long way as well, but in the right moment and right atmosphere they may not need to be as patient.

    They have one fundamental and, I think, insuperable problem

    They are as it stands a fusion of radical Islam and hard or far left Marxism. These things are ultimately in profound opposition - the fact they both loathe Jewish western Anglo American capitalism will see them through a few years - but in the end they must explode when combined. Over things like homosexual rights, feminism

    This indeed is true of the entire Islamic/left nexus across the west. It’s just a matter of how long they can sustain the contradiction

    The history of the ultra-left is that they will make any accommodation, any compromise with nutcase variant Islam to try and stay with them. Everyone else is expendable.

    Saw this at UCL in the 90s. Nothings changed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010

    Corbyn is looking old in these shots on BBC News at 10.

    Apparently he was wearing an expensive shirt as well according to X so surely he is bound to fail.
    Barbour.

    But maybe he got it a charity shop?

    Plus, family run NE business of numerous generations iirc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:



    Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017

    TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
    Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.

    Well pointed out Sunil
    I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.

    Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.

    Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.

    His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?

    And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?

    The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
    I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.

    IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.

    For all his faults he is one of a handful of modern British politicians that know how to campaign and speak in public. Farage and Johnson can, but I can't think of another Labour MP with the same skills. All three are pretty hopeless at anything else of course.

    So, I agree that we shouldn't underestimate Jezza, even at 80 next election.
    The odd thing is, he only became the candidate of the far left because all the other more plausible, articulate, appealing candidates had already had their turn. Back on 2015, he seemed a less obvious candidate than any of the Campaign Group's five previous goes. I would argue his success was largely a symptom of the failure of Labour'a right and soft left to present a convincing candidate.
    No it was entirely about all the other Candidates endorsing austerity in the campaign. I was voting Burnham until he fell into line with Cooper and L4%K support of austerity
    Polanski is has youth on his side, as well as passion, optimism and is very articulate. This is a very powerful and well put together campaign video. I think he will win the leadership at a canter.

    https://bsky.app/profile/zackpolanski.bsky.social/post/3lumgckfut22e
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,711
    edited July 24
    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This post combines all of @Leon 's favourite things

    @ciaranm.bsky.social‬

    Thought y’all needed to know that Grok has pencilled in civil war in Britain for a week on Tuesday

    https://bsky.app/profile/ciaranm.bsky.social/post/3luq72q3h4s2m

    Damm I have an important appointment that day @ 2:00 pm. Wonder if it could be delayed by a few hours.
    To be fair Grok works from the same sources that Shriver does, from her bolthole in Portugal.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luoyi4yr7s25

    Don't they know that you can be ill informed by far right Social Media from the comfort of a Primrose Hill flat, between nights out enjoying the balmy summer evenings of London's nightlife.
    Lol, supported Brexit, then sods off to an EU country.
    "Small town just west of Lisbon"

    Sweetie, I think people have heard of Cascais.

    She won't have to learn Portuguese at least.

    I once spent an amusing rainy afternoon in a Cascais hotel lobby listening to a rich Northern Iraqi emigré complaining to her rich Northern Iraqi emigré friend about how her son had fallen in love with a Portuguese girl. Beneath contempt, the Portuguese, apparently. Perhaps not as bad as a southern Iraqi though, who knows?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 24
    Cookie said:

    Evening all.
    Just want to report a really, really good day at the cricket. I'd say - after day 2 vs Australia, 2005, Old Trafford - it's tbe second best day I've ever seen. I've seen days with 15+ wickets, I've seen centuries and double centuries, I've seen landmarks reached and games and series concluded, I've seen improbable wags of the tail - but I've rarely seen a game in which every single over was engrossing in the same way. For me, there really is no more entertaining sport.
    Highlight of the day - despite all Duckworth amd Crawley's flair, despite Archer's thunder and grace, despite Stokes's heroics in Making Things Happen AGAIN - was seeing Rishbah Pant batting stoically with one foot. Amazing and awe inspiring and painful but joyous to watch. What a hero.

    Sounds like a great day. I might go on Sunday for £20 if the match is still going on at that time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,425
    carnforth said:

    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This post combines all of @Leon 's favourite things

    @ciaranm.bsky.social‬

    Thought y’all needed to know that Grok has pencilled in civil war in Britain for a week on Tuesday

    https://bsky.app/profile/ciaranm.bsky.social/post/3luq72q3h4s2m

    Damm I have an important appointment that day @ 2:00 pm. Wonder if it could be delayed by a few hours.
    To be fair Grok works from the same sources that Shriver does, from her bolthole in Portugal.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luoyi4yr7s25

    Don't they know that you can be ill informed by far right Social Media from the comfort of a Primrose Hill flat, between nights out enjoying the balmy summer evenings of London's nightlife.
    Lol, supported Brexit, then sods off to an EU country.
    "Small town just west of Lisbon"

    Sweetie, I think people have heard of Cascais.

    She won't have to learn Portuguese at least.

    I once spent an amusing rainy afternoon in a Cascais hotel lobby listening to a rich Northern Iraqi emigré complaining to her rich Northern Iraqi emigré friend about how her son had fallen in love with a Portuguese girl. Beneath contempt, the Portuguese, apparently. Perhaps not as bad as a southern Iraqi though, who knows?
    Just down the road from Estoril where Ian Fleming stayed in WW2, and supposedly invented the “shaken not stirred” martini
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    Good luck to Corbyn and Sultana with their new party. Don't agree with any of their policies but it's good for democracy to have more parties offering choice to the electorate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    Lenin-Gaza Party claim 80K sign ups within hours.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791
    moonshine said:

    rkrkrk said:

    France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...

    Sounds like a good distraction from discussing whether Madame M has a schlong
    Surely the correct question is how many schlongs she has?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    Zak Crawley is trending on twitter. That's some achievement.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,567
    Good thread.

    As a person who covered Ghislaine Maxwell's criminal trial, and who has read through pretty much every single Jeffrey Epstein lawsuit, I find the current discourse to be in bizarro land...
    https://x.com/JayShams/status/1948192038060454089
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    rkrkrk said:

    France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...

    Sounds like a good distraction from discussing whether Madame M has a schlong
    How do you know she has a schlong?
    I know not. But the defamation case vs Mr Owens will be lively one way or the other
    Will it?

    I suspect it will be very boring, because Candace will essentially refuse to answer any questions.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 24
    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    I'm a big fan of Lionel Shriver, and last time she was saying how much she liked it in Portugal. Thanks for the flagging-up of this.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791
    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    It didn't turn me into someone who constantly moans.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791
    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast

    Written by the same person who wrote endless twee middle class murder mysteries/love triangles/Detective stories which were an ITV staple all through the nineties, for goodness sake !
    I wouldn´t call P D James "twee", though her early books did get a bit formulaic at times. The books are, I think, better than the telly.

    There is a run of her novels, starting with a Shroud for a Nightingale that put her in the front rank of detective fiction.
    She had a middle to late renaissance where she produced some great work.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,985
    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    rkrkrk said:

    France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...

    Sounds like a good distraction from discussing whether Madame M has a schlong
    How do you know she has a schlong?
    I know not. But the defamation case vs Mr Owens will be lively one way or the other
    Will it?

    I suspect it will be very boring, because Candace will essentially refuse to answer any questions.
    The Depp/Heard defamation trial was in its way engrossing. It depends on whether we see either of the M’s taking the stand or not I suppose.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791
    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    rkrkrk said:

    France to recognise Palestine. I think we may be about to see many countries do the same...

    Sounds like a good distraction from discussing whether Madame M has a schlong
    How do you know she has a schlong?
    I know not. But the defamation case vs Mr Owens will be lively one way or the other
    Will it?

    I suspect it will be very boring, because Candace will essentially refuse to answer any questions.
    The Depp/Heard defamation trial was in its way engrossing. It depends on whether we see either of the M’s taking the stand or not I suppose.
    I would be staggered if it ever got to trial.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,734
    edited July 24
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    If they can avoid splits I do think the to be named party could be pretty successful, depending what their aims are. It's taken the Greens decades to get to where they are, and Reform have a pedigree going back a long way as well, but in the right moment and right atmosphere they may not need to be as patient.

    They have one fundamental and, I think, insuperable problem

    They are as it stands a fusion of radical Islam and hard or far left Marxism. These things are ultimately in profound opposition - the fact they both loathe Jewish western Anglo American capitalism will see them through a few years - but in the end they must explode when combined. Over things like homosexual rights, feminism

    This indeed is true of the entire Islamic/left nexus across the west. It’s just a matter of how long they can sustain the contradiction

    To assemble a winning majority, or even a sizeable minority, in a diverse democracy you often have to build incompatible coalitions though.

    Boris Johnson brought together free market Thatcherites and subsidy-junkie northerners. Now the same contradictions are visible in Reform.

    Starmer relied on the remnants of the socialist WWC, Guardianistas and ethnic minorities for his landslide.

    The Lib Dems have never really resolved the debate between Liberal Orange Bookers and Social Democrats.

    Etc etc etc.

    As long as you can unite the elements of your coalition against an external enemy, and give them at least something of what they want, you have a shot at keeping it together.

    The real problem Corbyn faces isn't the inherent fractiousness of his coalition, it's that the two elements aren't nearly numerous enough to get anywhere - political Islamists and the radical left are pretty small slivers of the electorate (I'd guess 2% and 5% and the latter will be shared with the Greens), no matter how disproportionately noisy they are on Twitter.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    Andy_JS said:

    Good luck to Corbyn and Sultana with their new party. Don't agree with any of their policies but it's good for democracy to have more parties offering choice to the electorate.


    Tariq Ali
    @TariqAli_News
    ·
    3h
    It'll be the largest political party in the country sooner than people think. Congrats to Jeremy and Zarah.

    https://x.com/TariqAli_News/status/1948454462550401121
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,711
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This post combines all of @Leon 's favourite things

    @ciaranm.bsky.social‬

    Thought y’all needed to know that Grok has pencilled in civil war in Britain for a week on Tuesday

    https://bsky.app/profile/ciaranm.bsky.social/post/3luq72q3h4s2m

    Damm I have an important appointment that day @ 2:00 pm. Wonder if it could be delayed by a few hours.
    To be fair Grok works from the same sources that Shriver does, from her bolthole in Portugal.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luoyi4yr7s25

    Don't they know that you can be ill informed by far right Social Media from the comfort of a Primrose Hill flat, between nights out enjoying the balmy summer evenings of London's nightlife.
    Lol, supported Brexit, then sods off to an EU country.
    "Small town just west of Lisbon"

    Sweetie, I think people have heard of Cascais.

    She won't have to learn Portuguese at least.

    I once spent an amusing rainy afternoon in a Cascais hotel lobby listening to a rich Northern Iraqi emigré complaining to her rich Northern Iraqi emigré friend about how her son had fallen in love with a Portuguese girl. Beneath contempt, the Portuguese, apparently. Perhaps not as bad as a southern Iraqi though, who knows?
    Just down the road from Estoril where Ian Fleming stayed in WW2, and supposedly invented the “shaken not stirred” martini
    Shame about the ugly casino. Nice town otherwise.

    Close to Monte Estoril station is a locally famous WW2 emigré restaurant still operated by the same family:

    https://www.cimas.com.pt/pt/

    I stayed at the hotel next door for a few weeks during Covid for pennies, but Cimas was too rich for my blood.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,321
    edited July 24
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    It didn't turn me into someone who constantly moans.

    She had already emigrated to the UK, amongst other places, and moaned about that. I also note that she supported Brexit then, having deprived others of the option, moved to the EU.
    Now she's left can we keep her out?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 24
    First local by election result Labour hold on in Cardiff from Reform
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    It didn't turn me into someone who constantly moans.

    She had already emigrated to the UK, amongst other places, and moaned about that. I also note that she supported Brexit then, having deprived others of the option, moved to the EU.
    Now she's left can we keep her out?
    Say what you like about Rod Liddle but he seems to be the only Speccie columnist prepared to actually live in this country. :smile:

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    What fresh hell is this:

    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK

    We will have thousands of pages of legislation oven-ready for when
    @Nigel_Farage becomes PM.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010

    First local by election result Labour hold on in Cardiff from Reform

    Interesting...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993

    First local by election result Labour hold on in Cardiff from Reform

    Interesting...
    It was a very safe ward and they dropped a third of their vote but they held which is the only game in town
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,321
    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Evening all.
    Just want to report a really, really good day at the cricket. I'd say - after day 2 vs Australia, 2005, Old Trafford - it's tbe second best day I've ever seen. I've seen days with 15+ wickets, I've seen centuries and double centuries, I've seen landmarks reached and games and series concluded, I've seen improbable wags of the tail - but I've rarely seen a game in which every single over was engrossing in the same way. For me, there really is no more entertaining sport.
    Highlight of the day - despite all Duckworth amd Crawley's flair, despite Archer's thunder and grace, despite Stokes's heroics in Making Things Happen AGAIN - was seeing Rishbah Pant batting stoically with one foot. Amazing and awe inspiring and painful but joyous to watch. What a hero.

    Sounds like a great day. I might go on Sunday for £20 if the match is still going on at that time.
    Is OT £20 on the final day?
    Oval only seems to have "hospitality packages" left at £700+, even with free buffet and bar that must be close to £500 pure profit/ticket.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    The results of the Llanrumney by-election are as follows:
    ELLIOTT - Welsh Conservative Party 64
    FITZPATRICK - Wales Green Party 47
    GNAGBO - Plaid Cymru 138
    MALIK - Reform UK 630
    ELECTED POCKNELL - Welsh Labour 755
    STREET - Welsh Liberal Democrats 281
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,235

    The results of the Llanrumney by-election are as follows:

    ELECTED POCKNELL - Welsh Labour 755
    MALIK - Reform UK 630
    STREET - Welsh Liberal Democrats 281
    GNAGBO - Plaid Cymru 138
    ELLIOTT - Welsh Conservative Party 64
    FITZPATRICK - Wales Green Party 47

    Re-arranged in descending order :)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Fairly comfortable Conservative hold in Lichfield from Reform in second

    Con 690
    RefUK 439
    Lab 314
    LD 185
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    It didn't turn me into someone who constantly moans.

    Obviously it does not apply to the lovely mods who publish my articles. That would never do 😀😀😀😀
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    WTF????


    PoliticsHome

    @politicshome


    The BBC has decided not to send its flagship Politics Live programme to party conferences this year, PolHome understands

    A former culture secretary said it was a "further erosion" of the BBC's political coverage, and urged the corporation to think again
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    WTF????


    PoliticsHome

    @politicshome


    The BBC has decided not to send its flagship Politics Live programme to party conferences this year, PolHome understands

    A former culture secretary said it was a "further erosion" of the BBC's political coverage, and urged the corporation to think again

    From one point of view this is understandable, which is the very small number of people who watch party conferences.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    Fairly comfortable Conservative hold in Lichfield from Reform in second

    Con 690
    RefUK 439
    Lab 314
    LD 185

    Con 42.38%
    Ref 26.97%
    Lab 19.29%
    LD 11.36%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    The results of the Llanrumney by-election are as follows:
    ELLIOTT - Welsh Conservative Party 64
    FITZPATRICK - Wales Green Party 47
    GNAGBO - Plaid Cymru 138
    MALIK - Reform UK 630
    ELECTED POCKNELL - Welsh Labour 755
    STREET - Welsh Liberal Democrats 281

    Lab 39.43%
    Ref 32.90%
    LD 14.67%
    PC 7.21%
    Con 3.34%
    Grn 2.45%
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308

    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    It didn't turn me into someone who constantly moans.

    She had already emigrated to the UK, amongst other places, and moaned about that. I also note that she supported Brexit then, having deprived others of the option, moved to the EU.
    Now she's left can we keep her out?
    Say what you like about Rod Liddle but he seems to be the only Speccie columnist prepared to actually live in this country. :smile:

    Nowhere else would take him. He'd set off the [redacted] alarm as he squeezed his spittle-flecked purulent lardy flesh through the security gates whilst leaving a slime trail behind that admits of no light nor hope.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 24
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Evening all.
    Just want to report a really, really good day at the cricket. I'd say - after day 2 vs Australia, 2005, Old Trafford - it's tbe second best day I've ever seen. I've seen days with 15+ wickets, I've seen centuries and double centuries, I've seen landmarks reached and games and series concluded, I've seen improbable wags of the tail - but I've rarely seen a game in which every single over was engrossing in the same way. For me, there really is no more entertaining sport.
    Highlight of the day - despite all Duckworth amd Crawley's flair, despite Archer's thunder and grace, despite Stokes's heroics in Making Things Happen AGAIN - was seeing Rishbah Pant batting stoically with one foot. Amazing and awe inspiring and painful but joyous to watch. What a hero.

    Sounds like a great day. I might go on Sunday for £20 if the match is still going on at that time.
    Is OT £20 on the final day?
    Oval only seems to have "hospitality packages" left at £700+, even with free buffet and bar that must be close to £500 pure profit/ticket.
    The final day at test matches is usually £20 or £25, and they all usually have tickets left with perhaps the exception of The Oval. Best bargain you can find anywhere in sport imo. (It can only be a matter of time before they realise they could charge more).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010

    Richard John
    @RichardJohnRJ
    ·
    1h
    Con GAIN from Labour in Wyesham, Monmouth Town Council. Congratulations Cllr Xavier Turner
    Conservative 39.5%
    Reform 24.4%
    Independent 36.1%
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,522


    Richard John
    @RichardJohnRJ
    ·
    1h
    Con GAIN from Labour in Wyesham, Monmouth Town Council. Congratulations Cllr Xavier Turner
    Conservative 39.5%
    Reform 24.4%
    Independent 36.1%

    Reform simply not doing well enough in Wales.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522


    Richard John
    @RichardJohnRJ
    ·
    1h
    Con GAIN from Labour in Wyesham, Monmouth Town Council. Congratulations Cllr Xavier Turner
    Conservative 39.5%
    Reform 24.4%
    Independent 36.1%

    Labour didn't defend the seat?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    Andy_JS said:

    WTF????


    PoliticsHome

    @politicshome


    The BBC has decided not to send its flagship Politics Live programme to party conferences this year, PolHome understands

    A former culture secretary said it was a "further erosion" of the BBC's political coverage, and urged the corporation to think again

    From one point of view this is understandable, which is the very small number of people who watch party conferences.
    So what. If there is any reason for the BBC to not become just one more stream subscription (as many on PB would like) it is that it does the work that no one else does because it is a fucking public duty and helps a functioning and richer and democratic society. Inform, entertain, educate etc etc.

    It has totally lost its way imho.

    It's 'race around the world' shite vs hard core news such as Steven Sackur.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 24


    Richard John
    @RichardJohnRJ
    ·
    1h
    Con GAIN from Labour in Wyesham, Monmouth Town Council. Congratulations Cllr Xavier Turner
    Conservative 39.5%
    Reform 24.4%
    Independent 36.1%

    Thats a town /parish council ward rather than district or county/unitary level
    The Tories also beat Reform in a similar Monmouth seat in Caerwent last week for town council
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 24
    "ALDC
    @aldc

    Berkhamsted West- Dacorum Borough Council

    🔶LD- 643- 56%- -2%
    🔵CON- 357- 31%- +8.5%
    🟢GRN- 99- 8%- -0.4
    🔴LAB- 41- 3%- -6%"

    x.com/ALDC/status/1948526188369969384
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,294

    Taz said:
    I think the thickies who can't tell the difference between a Parliamentry group and a new Party whose name will be decided democratically at the Conference should probably be quite.
    "Be quite" what?

    What are smug Grandpa's two pet interests? The Soviet Union and Palestine. He talks a good job about redistribution of wealth, but every previous Conservative government he has delivered and any future Conservative/Reform government he will deliver aren't interested in redistribution.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    Andy_JS said:

    WTF????


    PoliticsHome

    @politicshome


    The BBC has decided not to send its flagship Politics Live programme to party conferences this year, PolHome understands

    A former culture secretary said it was a "further erosion" of the BBC's political coverage, and urged the corporation to think again

    From one point of view this is understandable, which is the very small number of people who watch party conferences.
    So what. If there is any reason for the BBC to not become just one more stream subscription (as many on PB would like) it is that it does the work that no one else does because it is a fucking public duty and helps a functioning and richer and democratic society. Inform, entertain, educate etc etc.

    It has totally lost its way imho.

    It's 'race around the world' shite vs hard core news such as Steven Sackur.

    I agree with you.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,235

    Andy_JS said:

    WTF????


    PoliticsHome

    @politicshome


    The BBC has decided not to send its flagship Politics Live programme to party conferences this year, PolHome understands

    A former culture secretary said it was a "further erosion" of the BBC's political coverage, and urged the corporation to think again

    From one point of view this is understandable, which is the very small number of people who watch party conferences.
    So what. If there is any reason for the BBC to not become just one more stream subscription (as many on PB would like) it is that it does the work that no one else does because it is a fucking public duty and helps a functioning and richer and democratic society. Inform, entertain, educate etc etc.

    It has totally lost its way imho.

    It's 'race around the world' shite vs hard core news such as Steven Sackur.

    Sackur's Hard Talk is terrible :lol:
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 24
    Reform gain from Con in Bromley, first big Reform win in London. Bromley/Biggin Hill and Orpington in their sights now
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    "Bromley Common and Holwood - Bromley

    RefUK GAIN from Con

    ➡️RFM- 1342- 34%- New
    🔵CON- 1161- 29%- -11.8%
    🔴LAB- 720- 18%- -10.4%
    🔶LD- 540- 13%- -2.2%
    🟢GRN- 185- 4.7%- 9.7%"

    Ref 33.99%
    Con 29.41%
    Lab 18.24%
    LD 13.68%
    Grn 4.69%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    Bromley changes

    Ref +33.99%
    Con -11.75%
    Lab -10.38%
    LD -2.15%
    Grn -9.70%
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Andy_JS said:

    "Bromley Common and Holwood - Bromley

    RefUK GAIN from Con

    ➡️RFM- 1342- 34%- New
    🔵CON- 1161- 29%- -11.8%
    🔴LAB- 720- 18%- -10.4%
    🔶LD- 540- 13%- -2.2%
    🟢GRN- 185- 4.7%- 9.7%"

    Ref 33.99%
    Con 29.41%
    Lab 18.24%
    LD 13.68%
    Grn 4.69%

    Kemi was campaigning there today. Oops.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 24
    That Bromley resuly suggests Bromley/Biggin Hill could be a humdinger at the GE - Tories might need to rely on tactical votes if they can swing some
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 25
    Borehamwood and Swanage results pending tonight, Rutland count tomorrow
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    Borehamwood and Swanage results pending tonight, Rutland count tomorrow

    Swanage could be good for RefUK.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 25
    Andy_JS said:

    Borehamwood and Swanage results pending tonight, Rutland count tomorrow

    Swanage could be good for RefUK.
    It shouid be i think. They could take Borehamwood too. Bromley was bang in line with current polling in that its a ward they were projected to take on average current swing. Meand Bromley council and the GE seat will likely be very tight
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791

    Reform gain from Con in Bromley, first big Reform win in London. Bromley/Biggin Hill and Orpington in their sights now

    Wait. Is Bromley in London?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    rcs1000 said:

    Reform gain from Con in Bromley, first big Reform win in London. Bromley/Biggin Hill and Orpington in their sights now

    Wait. Is Bromley in London?
    Unless its moved, yes
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    Andy_JS said:

    Borehamwood and Swanage results pending tonight, Rutland count tomorrow

    Swanage could be good for RefUK.
    It shouid be i think. They could take Borehamwood too. Bromley was bang in line with current polling in that its a ward they were projected to take on average current swing. Meand Bromley council and the GE seat will likely be very tight
    Tory support in Hertsmere tends to be very sticky compared to most places.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Borehamwood and Swanage results pending tonight, Rutland count tomorrow

    Swanage could be good for RefUK.
    It shouid be i think. They could take Borehamwood too. Bromley was bang in line with current polling in that its a ward they were projected to take on average current swing. Meand Bromley council and the GE seat will likely be very tight
    Tory support in Hertsmere tends to be very sticky compared to most places.
    They could do with it to compensate for Bromley
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,454
    Andy_JS said:

    "Bromley Common and Holwood - Bromley

    RefUK GAIN from Con

    ➡️RFM- 1342- 34%- New
    🔵CON- 1161- 29%- -11.8%
    🔴LAB- 720- 18%- -10.4%
    🔶LD- 540- 13%- -2.2%
    🟢GRN- 185- 4.7%- 9.7%"

    Ref 33.99%
    Con 29.41%
    Lab 18.24%
    LD 13.68%
    Grn 4.69%

    Looks like a significant swing from Lab/Green to Reform.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    Andy_JS said:

    "Bromley Common and Holwood - Bromley

    RefUK GAIN from Con

    ➡️RFM- 1342- 34%- New
    🔵CON- 1161- 29%- -11.8%
    🔴LAB- 720- 18%- -10.4%
    🔶LD- 540- 13%- -2.2%
    🟢GRN- 185- 4.7%- 9.7%"

    Ref 33.99%
    Con 29.41%
    Lab 18.24%
    LD 13.68%
    Grn 4.69%

    Looks like a significant swing from Lab/Green to Reform.
    Difficult to believe many Green voters would switch to Nigel.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,454
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Bromley Common and Holwood - Bromley

    RefUK GAIN from Con

    ➡️RFM- 1342- 34%- New
    🔵CON- 1161- 29%- -11.8%
    🔴LAB- 720- 18%- -10.4%
    🔶LD- 540- 13%- -2.2%
    🟢GRN- 185- 4.7%- 9.7%"

    Ref 33.99%
    Con 29.41%
    Lab 18.24%
    LD 13.68%
    Grn 4.69%

    Looks like a significant swing from Lab/Green to Reform.
    Difficult to believe many Green voters would switch to Nigel.
    Not really. Horseshoe theory and NOTA voters who hate the mainstream parties and think they're all the same.

    Third party voters tend to be more volatile than we imagine.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,455
    It will be interesting to see what impact if any the new Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana party have on the Labour vote if they put forward a candidate in the next London Mayor elections in 2028?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 25
    Cinservatives have held the seat in Hertsmere, awaiting figures
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Madalyn Bielfeld – Green Party – 37 votes

    Glenn Briski – Conservative Party – 478 votes

    Gus Channer – Reform UK - 394 votes

    Rosalind Carmel Levine – Liberal Democrat – 47 votes

    Bala Mere – Labour Party – 295 votes

    Lawrence Stack – Independent – 26 votes

    Michelle Vince – Independent – 339 votes
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 25
    Brookmeadow, Borehamwood

    Con 29.58%
    Ref 24.38%
    Ind Vince 20.98%
    Lab 18.25%
    LD 2.91%
    Grn 2.29%
    Ind Stack 1.61%
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,235
    rcs1000 said:

    Reform gain from Con in Bromley, first big Reform win in London. Bromley/Biggin Hill and Orpington in their sights now

    Wait. Is Bromley in London?
    Since 1965?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 25
    Andy_JS said:

    Brookmeadow, Borehamwood

    Con 29.58%
    Ref 24.38%
    Ind Vince 20.98%
    Lab 18.25%
    LD 2.91%
    Grn 2.29%
    Ind Stack 1.61%

    Tories a bit better than the Herts county council elections in Borehamwood, Reform a bit worse
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    Andy_JS said:

    Brookmeadow, Borehamwood

    Con 29.58%
    Ref 24.38%
    Ind Vince 20.98%
    Lab 18.25%
    LD 2.91%
    Grn 2.29%
    Ind Stack 1.61%

    Tories a bit better than the Herts county council elections in Borehamwood, Reform a bit worse
    The Tories have a knack of winning in Hertsmere as I said earlier.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 25
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brookmeadow, Borehamwood

    Con 29.58%
    Ref 24.38%
    Ind Vince 20.98%
    Lab 18.25%
    LD 2.91%
    Grn 2.29%
    Ind Stack 1.61%

    Tories a bit better than the Herts county council elections in Borehamwood, Reform a bit worse
    The Tories have a knack of winning in Hertsmere as I said earlier.
    They are in fairly OK shape in Herts generally compared to say Kent or the SW - they picked up % tonight in Dacorum despite the LD hold
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    I cant wait all night for Swanage to count their votes lol, later all
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    I cant wait all night for Swanage to count their votes lol, later all

    Maybe it's very close and they're recounting.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast

    It's actually very good. One of the few films where I've saw the trailer at the time and not been disappointed by what I ultimately saw. Though not so cheery.

    The book's good too, but is a little different.
    A couple of friends “in the media” told me to watch it for its scarily prescient portrayal of London in total societal decline - the grot, graffiti, the exciting cultural diversity, the garbage - and the way it looks like london now

    They’re not wrong. Christ
    I think your friends should have been more protective, it’s a great film but perhaps not for those susceptible to febrile pessimism.
    Haven’t you twigged, yet, that all these anecdotal people don’t actually exist?

    It just sounds better than admitting he deliberately went trawling for it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473
    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    The other way around, surely?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 25
    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    I find this slightly weird that did they not do any reading about Portugal before they went? There is a reason is is consistently one of the poorest countries in Europe and nothing ever really improves. Its a bit like moving to the US and getting moany about the tipping culture.

    For the record, I like Portugal, I go a few times a year. But it isn't a big hidden secret that as a country it runs extremely poorly from top to bottom. Nothing really works efficiently. The UK isn't there...yet.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 25
    I mean who would have guessed,

    Donald Trump apparently isn’t the only president that sent a birthday letter to Jeffrey Epstein. “The biggest name in the album” was Bill Clinton, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday. The ex-president’s letter appeared alongside nearly 50 others, including other prominent celebrities and executives.

    In Thursday’s article, the Wall Street Journal provided additional details on the album, including names of some of the nearly 50 people who wrote to Epstein. They reportedly include billionaire investor Leon Black, fashion designer Vera Wang, billionaire media owner Mortimer Zuckerman, billionaire former Victoria’s Secret owner Les Wexner, attorney Alan Dershowitz, model scout Jean-Luc Brunel and billionaire former Microsoft executive Nathan Myhrvold.

    It also includes the British ambassador to the United States and Labour party politician Peter Mandelson in a section titled “friends”. Epstein’s former co-workers, Alan “Ace” Greenberg and James “Jimmy” Cayne, who he worked with at the investment firm Bear Stearns in the 1970s, also sent letters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/24/bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-wall-street-journal-report
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791

    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    I find this slightly weird that did they not do any reading about Portugal before they went? There is a reason is is consistently one of the poorest countries in Europe and nothing ever really improves. Its a bit like moving to the US and getting moany about the tipping culture.

    For the record, I like Portugal, I go a few times a year. But it isn't a big hidden secret that as a country it runs extremely poorly from top to bottom. Nothing really works efficiently. The UK isn't there...yet.
    A friend of mine - a tech entrepreneur - moved there three years ago, and he loves it.

    But he's also always been gifted with both computer and human languages. And he's on an amazing tax deal
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 25
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    I find this slightly weird that did they not do any reading about Portugal before they went? There is a reason is is consistently one of the poorest countries in Europe and nothing ever really improves. Its a bit like moving to the US and getting moany about the tipping culture.

    For the record, I like Portugal, I go a few times a year. But it isn't a big hidden secret that as a country it runs extremely poorly from top to bottom. Nothing really works efficiently. The UK isn't there...yet.
    A friend of mine - a tech entrepreneur - moved there three years ago, and he loves it.

    But he's also always been gifted with both computer and human languages. And he's on an amazing tax deal
    Well in Portugal it depends on a) where exactly you go and b) how much money you have. If you move to the Algarve and money isn't any real object, life will be wonderful. In places like Quinta do Lago, shit does get done because the big money talks and the lack of Portuguese language will be far less of an issue. I noticed an uptick in Americans there when I have been over the past couple of years, and I assume it is all the great tax deals they offered.

    One of the biggest problems in Portugal is basically 5 companies control everything. There isn't really any competition. Need to hire a crane for construction, there will be 1 or 2 of those 5 mega corps that run crane hire. Fall out with them by getting too aggro on time or money and all of a sudden your construction business becomes very slow to get these done because the cranes are never available.

    I remember speaking to a British guy who did landscape gardening for rich people, so gets hired to go out there. You can't hire things like the small JCB digger things, you must hire the digger with a driver, no matter if you are experienced / qualified to drive the digger. And of course the digger driver only works 30hrs a week, will only work between certain hours of the day.....and if you are seen using the digger without the driver even out of his working hours, they won't hire to you again and well good luck finding anybody else who hires out diggers who isn't owned or totally reliant on the big 5 corps.

    There is this painful friction of getting anything done throughout society.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    I find this slightly weird that did they not do any reading about Portugal before they went? There is a reason is is consistently one of the poorest countries in Europe and nothing ever really improves. Its a bit like moving to the US and getting moany about the tipping culture.

    For the record, I like Portugal, I go a few times a year. But it isn't a big hidden secret that as a country it runs extremely poorly from top to bottom. Nothing really works efficiently. The UK isn't there...yet.
    A friend of mine - a tech entrepreneur - moved there three years ago, and he loves it.

    But he's also always been gifted with both computer and human languages. And he's on an amazing tax deal
    I know someone who went off to live their long held dream, restoring a tumbledown mill in the middle of Portuguese nowhere, but sadly it didn’t work out and within six months she was back in the UK, both poorer and wiser.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904

    What fresh hell is this:

    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK

    We will have thousands of pages of legislation oven-ready for when
    @Nigel_Farage becomes PM.

    Oven Ready.

    Where have I heard that before !!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This post combines all of @Leon 's favourite things

    @ciaranm.bsky.social‬

    Thought y’all needed to know that Grok has pencilled in civil war in Britain for a week on Tuesday

    https://bsky.app/profile/ciaranm.bsky.social/post/3luq72q3h4s2m

    Damm I have an important appointment that day @ 2:00 pm. Wonder if it could be delayed by a few hours.
    To be fair Grok works from the same sources that Shriver does, from her bolthole in Portugal.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luoyi4yr7s25

    Don't they know that you can be ill informed by far right Social Media from the comfort of a Primrose Hill flat, between nights out enjoying the balmy summer evenings of London's nightlife.
    Lol, supported Brexit, then sods off to an EU country.
    "Small town just west of Lisbon"

    Sweetie, I think people have heard of Cascais.

    She won't have to learn Portuguese at least.

    I once spent an amusing rainy afternoon in a Cascais hotel lobby listening to a rich Northern Iraqi emigré complaining to her rich Northern Iraqi emigré friend about how her son had fallen in love with a Portuguese girl. Beneath contempt, the Portuguese, apparently. Perhaps not as bad as a southern Iraqi though, who knows?
    Just down the road from Estoril where Ian Fleming stayed in WW2, and supposedly invented the “shaken not stirred” martini
    The West Wing - Shaken, not stirred (14-seconds video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK3fiKkVYlY
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924

    I mean who would have guessed,

    Donald Trump apparently isn’t the only president that sent a birthday letter to Jeffrey Epstein. “The biggest name in the album” was Bill Clinton, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday. The ex-president’s letter appeared alongside nearly 50 others, including other prominent celebrities and executives.

    In Thursday’s article, the Wall Street Journal provided additional details on the album, including names of some of the nearly 50 people who wrote to Epstein. They reportedly include billionaire investor Leon Black, fashion designer Vera Wang, billionaire media owner Mortimer Zuckerman, billionaire former Victoria’s Secret owner Les Wexner, attorney Alan Dershowitz, model scout Jean-Luc Brunel and billionaire former Microsoft executive Nathan Myhrvold.

    It also includes the British ambassador to the United States and Labour party politician Peter Mandelson in a section titled “friends”. Epstein’s former co-workers, Alan “Ace” Greenberg and James “Jimmy” Cayne, who he worked with at the investment firm Bear Stearns in the 1970s, also sent letters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/24/bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-wall-street-journal-report

    Everyone would have guessed, or at least everyone who'd read the original report that these 50th birthday greetings had been solicited by Ghislaine Maxwell.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,790
    viewcode said:

    Anybody thinking of emigrating should read this article. The author has emigrated to Portugal and it does not suit her https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/lionel-shriver-left-britain-immigration-portugal-gsxrsh0qr

    Clarkson was right. Unless it's for work or a spectacular pay rise, emigration just turns you into somebody who constantly moans.

    "The primary purpose of the British constabulary is to suppress the unruly passions of a native population it holds in contempt."

    Yep.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,790
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:



    Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017

    TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017
    Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.

    Well pointed out Sunil
    I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.

    Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.

    Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.

    His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?

    And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?

    The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.
    I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.

    IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.

    For all his faults he is one of a handful of modern British politicians that know how to campaign and speak in public. Farage and Johnson can, but I can't think of another Labour MP with the same skills. All three are pretty hopeless at anything else of course.

    So, I agree that we shouldn't underestimate Jezza, even at 80 next election.
    The odd thing is, he only became the candidate of the far left because all the other more plausible, articulate, appealing candidates had already had their turn. Back on 2015, he seemed a less obvious candidate than any of the Campaign Group's five previous goes. I would argue his success was largely a symptom of the failure of Labour'a right and soft left to present a convincing candidate.
    I think it was because he was the only candidate that was trying to be a change from Blairism and Brownism, both of which had been completely discredited.

    Corbynmania didn't start then though, indeed May was so convinced that he was unpopular that she called an early election expecting a 3 figure majority.

    Then Corbyn gave a short speech at a music festival at Tranmere Rovers ground. I think this one of the most consequential political speeches of recent decades despite its brevity and subject.

    https://youtu.be/uHDmskeGARk?si=T3A7kznG0zmqcCQy
    All the young people in the crowd going totally crazy.

    There is one older guy at the back of the crowd, though, with his arms folded - who isn't impressed. Which reminds me of that famous Nuremberg Rally photo.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 25
    I did have to chuckle that Jezza was banging on about the party name must be "inclusive" but they are setting up a committee to decide upon it. And well can people please send in ideas because errhhhhh (obviously he doesn't have any).
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,228
    Nigelb said:

    Good thread.

    As a person who covered Ghislaine Maxwell's criminal trial, and who has read through pretty much every single Jeffrey Epstein lawsuit, I find the current discourse to be in bizarro land...
    https://x.com/JayShams/status/1948192038060454089

    Prince Who?


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    People in Wales who cannot eat gluten will be given debit-style cards preloaded with money to help pay for their food.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4d3g4p2do
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,228

    What fresh hell is this:

    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK

    We will have thousands of pages of legislation oven-ready for when
    @Nigel_Farage becomes PM.

    Heritage Foundation Cut n' Paste. Read version 1 when you have time.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,791

    People in Wales who cannot eat gluten will be given debit-style cards preloaded with money to help pay for their food.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4d3g4p2do

    Anybody can eat gluten. The only question is what the consequences are, as anyone with celiac's will tell you
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,543

    What fresh hell is this:

    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK

    We will have thousands of pages of legislation oven-ready for when
    @Nigel_Farage becomes PM.

    That sounds like the Trump route - which would not be a surprise.

    Umpteen Order in Councill? (Yes there are checks and balances, but ...)

    His mushrooms would not even notice, until it hit them personally.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,641
    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast

    Written by the same person who wrote endless twee middle class murder mysteries/love triangles/Detective stories which were an ITV staple all through the nineties, for goodness sake !
    I wouldn´t call P D James "twee", though her early books did get a bit formulaic at times. The books are, I think, better than the telly.

    There is a run of her novels, starting with a Shroud for a Nightingale that put her in the front rank of detective fiction.
    She had a middle to late renaissance where she produced some great work.
    Yes- her short story collection is good too. I think Death in Holy Orders is possibly my favourite of her later novels.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,543
    edited July 25

    People in Wales who cannot eat gluten will be given debit-style cards preloaded with money to help pay for their food.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4d3g4p2do

    Something of a nothingburger tbh if anyone wants to get angry (which is probably not you). There have been gluten-free staples available through the prescription system since the late 1960s, as they can be difficult to obtain; you need a diagnosis of coeliac disease or dermatitis herpetiformis.

    It's a reform, I think - no change of principle and following a long pilot. Perhaps because the pilot shows it is now practical to use general supply chains? There will be a Cost-Benefit analysis. (Of course you may have views on the principle.)

    People with some conditions need gluten free food as I need insulin. If my insulin stops, I will die. Depending on the condition, gluten can have very serious consequences. So back in the 1960s gluten-free basics were made available via the NHS.
    England is more restricted than NiSW. Are they seeking to make that less complicated?

    Cost evaluations and history etc available here I think for England (approx £25m pa):
    https://www.nhsconfed.org/system/files/media/DHSC-Gluten-free-foods-on-NHS-prescription.pdf

    England
    In England, gluten free prescriptions are limited to bread and flour mixes only and some local areas may restrict further. For example, your local area may limit what is available based on your age or other factors like pregnancy. In some places, it has been withdrawn altogether and is available only on a case by case basis.

    Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
    In Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, anyone with a diagnosis of coeliac disease can access gluten free staple products such as bread, flour and pasta in line with national prescribing guidelines. How this is provided differs between the nations though. For example, in Scotland prescriptions are delivered through your pharmacy as part of the Scottish Gluten Free Food Service while if you live in Hywel dda health board, in Wales, there is a top up card scheme available. All other eligible areas use the GP led approach laid out above.


    https://www.coeliac.org.uk/information-and-support/coeliac-disease/once-diagnosed/prescriptions/?&&type=rfst&set=true#cookie-widget
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 768
    edited July 25
    Taz said:

    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I’m watching Children of Men for the first time. Wanted something cheerful and uplifting. Hear it’s a blast

    Written by the same person who wrote endless twee middle class murder mysteries/love triangles/Detective stories which were an ITV staple all through the nineties, for goodness sake !
    I wouldn´t call P D James "twee", though her early books did get a bit formulaic at times. The books are, I think, better than the telly.

    There is a run of her novels, starting with a Shroud for a Nightingale that put her in the front rank of detective fiction.
    Ah, my error. I thought it Ruth Rendell.
    I wouldn't describe the work of either Ruth Rendell or P.D. James as twee, although some of their novels are not as good as others. It is possible for a writer to produce detective novels and also novels with psychological depth. I remember a review of Rendell's "Master of the Moor" by Auberon Waugh, which praised it and he claimed that if it had been written by a bright young thing just down from Oxford, it would be up for various literary prizes. Because it had been written by a woman who turned out umpteen dectective novels, it had not had the literary recognition it deserved.

    I sense a twinge of sexism and snobbery in Taz's comments. Neither woman came from a priviledged background and P.D. James, particularly, had to overcome struggles in her life.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,431
    Taz said:

    What fresh hell is this:

    Zia Yusuf

    @ZiaYusufUK

    We will have thousands of pages of legislation oven-ready for when
    @Nigel_Farage becomes PM.

    Oven Ready.

    Where have I heard that before !!
    Is he a mini Johnson?
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